Does Rob Singer Know What the Term "Advantage Player" Means?

Since he's criticized "advantage players" for years, it might be helpful if he used the phrase properly. If he doesn't know what the term means, then (since I'm a helpful editor, if nothing else), I will assist him in cleaning up his writing.

"Advantage player" refers to any player, playing any game, who uses whatever edges he has to flip the odds against the casino. It does not refer exclusively, or even primarily, to video poker players. I think video poker players are about the last ones on an "advantage list" that casino managers worry about.

Advantage players have played blackjack and poker. They have bet race and sports. They may play craps, if rebates or comp bonuses have shifted the odds slightly, or if dice influencing exists. They can even play bingo -- there are occasions when bingo is a positive expectation game. They play anything and everything that gives them an edge. Video poker is just one option.

So when Rob says that all AP's lose, he's using the term "APs" incorrectly unless he's saying that everyone playing every game under every available set of rules and betting every sport loses. I don't believe that is what Rob means, so I thought I would help him out and make things clear for everyone.

I'm sure he does understand this. So what is your point?

My point is this is a Las Vegas forum trying to round up new readers. My point is that, while Rob may understand what "AP" means (we hope), he doesn't communicate it, which is confusing to anyone reading this stuff. My point is that not everyone is interested in video poker, and Rob's bad language use tars and feathers poker players and craps players and sports bettors if readers don't understand that Rob is referring only to video poker players.

This thread isn't for Rob -- it's for everyone else.

The term "advantage player," in fact, predates video poker. Let me repeat that. People were using the phrase "advantage player" before there were any video poker machines in Nevada. So it's got to be confusing when someone uses the term improperly and has things to say about people in the "advantage player" category when he is specifically referring to video poker players.

There's a good chance that most people who consider themselves "advantage players" don't play video poker at all.

Someone doesn't know rob is referring to VP? They must think this is a chocolate cookie recipe forum or something.

Or a Las Vegas forum, as opposed to a video poker forum. Has anyone else noticed that this is not a video poker forum? Any first-time reader here would be thoroughly confused by Rob Singer's "AP" rants, because Rob Singer, for better or worse, is not so well known that everyone associates him just with video poker.

Good try, though, quahaug. Not everyone is an ardent follower of Rob Singer. In fact, all of his followers seem somehow to have landed here. And there aren't many.

Does it really matter who Singer is referring to when he is lying through his teeth?

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Originally Posted by redietz

Or a Las Vegas forum, as opposed to a video poker forum. Has anyone else noticed that this is not a video poker forum? Any first-time reader here would be thoroughly confused by Rob Singer's "AP" rants, because Rob Singer, for better or worse, is not so well known that everyone associates him just with video poker.

Good try, though, quahaug. Not everyone is an ardent follower of Rob Singer. In fact, all of his followers seem somehow to have landed here. And there aren't many.

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I think they are video poker threads on a LV. forum. You seem to know more about Rob than I do, although I have read his website and know that it doesn't exist anymore.

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Originally Posted by quahaug

I think they are video poker threads on a LV. forum. You seem to know more about Rob than I do, although I have read his website and know that it doesn't exist anymore.

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It's amazing that you could have read his website and not know what Rob means. His definition of an ap, more or less in my words, is a person that thinks playing on and on with perfect strategy that the end result has to be in his favor-in other words the math will finally make him a winner. This also includes any comps he may accumulate while playing these lengthy sessions. I would think that after 10 years of consistent losing, he would know the meaning well. The ap also believes that the machines are in true random configuration and that this randomness HAS to allow them to win. Also, an ap player would only make an "advantage play" if the math allowed him.. Of course, to them, these plays only lead to more losses.:cool:

Red-almost everyone here knows he is speaking about VP APs. The threads relating to craps or just general gambling or Vegas always die quickly. The running battle here is and has been about VP, so let's not pretend otherwise.