A new "hyper RNG" possibly making the game different

There is a post on VP.com forum I think is 100% in correlation with my thought..

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/fo...?TID=7140&PN=3

". In my mind there is NO QUESTION that something is different, I've heard mention of a new "hyper RNG" possibly making the game different. I don't know if that's the case but id so my question would be, who ask for this change, sure wasn't the players who play the games and who is this technology supposed to benefit? If the games we played a few years back were totally random and fair like so many on this site have pretty much guaranteed how can they still be totally random and fair if they changed the totally random process, I thought random was random, I had no idea there were different levels of randomness. It does seem if the new "hyper RNG's" do indeed exist the casino industry has convinced the gaming commissions everywhere that there are different types of randomness, no doubt to benefit themselves because their main objective is to make money. "



Technology changed...VP Game changed...we need to find a way to deal with this changes or quit VP all together. I simply refuse to be a casino donor anymore...
I know, I know -you will say , o, we discussed it sooo many time...still worse one more try!
So what do you think-is it possible that "a new "hyper RNG" making the game different"?

I haven't researched this "hyper RNG", so I can only speculate what they mean by that.

I learned how to program computers in the 1980s. Eventually every programmer has the need to generate random numbers. As a naive kid, I thought this was a trivial process of, "Give me a random number, please!", and you get one. After all, what should be hard about generating a random number?

Unfortunately, it's actually very hard to generate a number which is truly random, especially for a machine. To put it simply, machines operate on absolutes. They only behave differently when told to behave differently. This makes it very tough to generate random numbers, because a machine doesn't understand what "random" really is. You can't just tell it, "Choose any number between 1 and a billion", because it needs to know how choosing a number right now is different than choosing a number 5 seconds from now. Otherwise you get the same number. Computers originally generated random numbers by starting with a "seed" number, and then performing a math equation on it to where they get an infinite sequence of numbers, and keep drawing from that string of numbers.

There have been many attempts to find ways to generate unique seeds for random numbers. One of the original ways was based upon the clock. So the time of day would be converted into seconds, giving 86,400 different random number seeds, meaning that the string of random numbers would only be the same at the exact second of the next day. Then the date would also be incorporated, and eventually more and more factors were added to generate the random number seed.

Unfortunately, if the seed can be predicted, then the random numbers can be known in advance. Someone managed to figure out Party Poker's (online poker site) random number seeds in 2001, and could see everyone's hole cards that way! Thankfully this person didn't cheat, and instead notified Party Poker immediately.

Pokerstars (the best and most advanced online poker site) uses advanced methods of random number seed generation, such as collecting data of player mouse movements, pooling them together, then pooling that with various internal temperature readings of their system, and come very close to truly random numbers (and ones impossible to crack).

Still, as great as Pokerstars' RNG algorithm is, it's still not truly 100% random. True randomness is difficult (or maybe impossible) to achieve, as it literally means that there is no kind of bias from one number to the next.

I am not aware of which RNG algorithm is used by VP machines. I can assure you that, in 2015, all operating machines in modern casinos have an RNG algorithm which is very close to actual randomness, and would probably take an obscene number of hands (more than any human could play in a lifetime) to discover any kind of small deviation.

So why the "hyper RNG"? I believe it's simply an improved process to make random number generation that much better. Why do they bother? Because it can probably be used as a marketing tool (or at the very least, an assurance tool for skeptical players), and also can be used to satisfy the various gaming commissions that they are keeping up with technology when it comes to generating randomness.

Is it likely this new hyper RNG is cheating you, or putting you at a further disadvantage?

No.

In fact, the casinos would be thrilled if they could get a truly random number generator, as it would decrease their own variance, and they could more easily count on the house edge (and mistakes by players) to reliably win money.

VP is changing, but the changes are occurring through degraded paytables and games which focus more upon jackpots and less upon being able to grind out a long time without losing a lot of money.

I'm going to bring up the same point I have emphasized in the past. Many modern video poker players tend to live in a kind of techno naivete without any critical social cynicism. The top priority, they think, is figuring out if the chips in the video poker machines produce true randomness. That really isn't a key question here. The important questions are, "Given that The Gaming Commission is the entity allegedly checking the chips in the various video poker machines, how often do they check them, and does it matter if their schedule is a well kept secret?"

All the tech in the world doesn't do anyone a bit of good if the entity checking the tech doesn't really check it on a consistent basis and on a schedule-secret basis.

So how often are chips checked in video poker machines by the regulatory agency? Oh, how about once every 18-24 months if they are on schedule. And they are never on schedule. And how secret is that schedule? Because if the schedule is leaked, anyone can swap out bad chips for good to pass an inspection one knows is coming.

Of course, it's argued, nobody is ever motivated to do such things because casinos make plenty of money and someone would get in real trouble if bad chips were used. Okay, if you believe that, I salute you.

Redietz... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find out that the casinos are cheating and help me get my money back. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

More silly nonsense. Random is random, folks. There is no such think as hyper randomness.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

More silly nonsense. Random is random, folks. There is no such think as hyper randomness.

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Did you read my post? There is no true randomness when it comes to computers. Hyper randomness is probably an improved randomness algorithm, but it's not likely to have any noticeable effect on our results.

I agree with what Dan wrote. Random is random but computers aren't really random. They try to be. So, like Avis, the new RNG tries harder.

In machines built with a continuous shuffle makes the RNG almost secondary. The additional effect of hitting the deal/draw keys eliminates any lack of randomness that may exist in the RNG itself.

Dan, I was referring to the folks at vp.com where a few are somewhat paranoid.

I think Dan was trying to point out that computers are deterministic by nature.

Is this why Rob has said we need determination to win at the casinos?

Yes, Arc, for all intents and purposes, RNGs are in fact random. But if the smarts exist to make the RNGs better why not use them?

Remember that the original RNGs that shuffled replacement cards off the top of the deck were random also, but by switching to continuous shuffle an extra layer of protection was added to the game.

So it appears the new RNGs are another layer of protection. I'm okay with that.

Alan, the real protection is for the casinos. There were random enough to give players a fair chance before. Without the continuous shuffle the algorithm was predictable which allowed someone with inside knowledge of the RNG to have an edge.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Alan, the real protection is for the casinos. There were random enough to give players a fair chance before. Without the continuous shuffle the algorithm was predictable which allowed someone with inside knowledge of the RNG to have an edge.

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Absolutely true. And there are cases about this.