Whats the deal with class II machines?

Can class II machines hold state/equity? I recently saw a post on another forum where the person claims class 2 machines can have advantages. Mickey told me that Neptune game with the 10 stars isn't a play. I didn't think so either. The 10 diamond aspect of it never leads to a bonus mode where you win more than a small multiplier of the bet. It could easily just be graphical dressing on the experience. I've always assumed class II machines were all like this.

However, once you diverge from the 1 spin = 1 bingo card then seems like the whole class II thing becomes moot. The post in question talked about a new Scarab game which I believe I played is class II. I've also noticed that some other modern machine was a class II machine and so I didn't play it but I don't recall the details.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I guess the whole bingo thing is just a software switch likely .. but.. it just doesn't add up. Why mess with class II machines if they're not required? I became accustomed to them because I believe they're a holdover from some time ago when they were required that that casino.

It'd also make sense that "class-II' machines don't need to behave like class-II machines in all locales but then why mess with it at all?

I’ve heard it said that generally they are not beatable.

However occasionally i will see a class II machine with a small progressive that hits often where on the class III version it would be playable if the progressive gets large enough.

If I see a machine like this with a progressive substantially above reset I will play and so far I have been profitable. (Although I don’t see a lot of class II machines so i don’t see this very often.)

I don’t know how class II machines work or bingo works & not worth my time to find out.

My assumption on playing a class II where a small progressive that hits frequently was substantially over reset was that the small progressive was analogous to a small bingo progressive with similar odds.

But again, really have no idea, Ive just screwed around with the few Ive came across for ��’s and giggles.

Think Eliot has referred to people beating class II machines in Alabama at a time. Don't really understand it and probably the exception to the rule, but that would make it no different than majority of AP situations that come up (in terms of different types of plays, not frequency.)

Brian Christopher can tell you all about Class II (Bingo) slots:

https://www.bcslots.com/blog/bingo

I dont know much about class 2 machines, I have played them on various occasions, but not much. The main reason is, I just haven't been around them all that much.

I did notice Washington state's Harley-Davidson slot machines capped the meter counters fairly low and it didn't seem to roll over after completing it.

I did come across some machines that certainly seemed to be +ev to vulture. I didn't spend much time messing around since I was just there on vacation and was just checking just to see if they had any good promos or somthing worthwhile to go back for.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I dont know much about class 2 machines, I have played them on various occasions, but not much. The main reason is, I just haven't been around them all that much.

I did notice Washington state's Harley-Davidson slot machines capped the meter counters fairly low and it didn't seem to roll over after completing it.

I did come across some machines that certainly seemed to be +ev to vulture. I didn't spend much time messing around since I was just there on vacation and was just checking just to see if they had any good promos or somthing worthwhile to go back for.

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They had some Class II Aladdin's Fortune in Ilani (just off I-5 north of Portland) when I stopped there a couple of years ago. They had buildup so I played and actually won.

I've seen Class II Ocean Magic. The difference is with Class III Ocean Magic the wilds appear on the bottom row first then rotate upwards as you make the spins.

With Class II Ocean Magic the wilds appear/or not appear in random positions as you make the spins. So when you walk up and see wilds in the screen they are not going to rotate upwards on the next spin. They are going to disappear when you hit the spin button and may or may not appear in random positions on the next spin.

Also Elephant King/ Wolf Ridge. With Class III the awards above the reels move from right to left. The standard play is when you find the FREE GAMES symbol in the 2nd and/or 4th positions you make one spin to see if you catch the free games.

With Class II Elephant King/Wolf Ridge the awards don't move right to left when you make a spin. The symbols just change every spin. So when you see the FREE GAMES symbol in 2nd and/or 4th position they are not going to move to the left. So it's never a play.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I dont know much about class 2 machines, I have played them on various occasions, but not much. The main reason is, I just haven't been around them all that much.

I did notice Washington state's Harley-Davidson slot machines capped the meter counters fairly low and it didn't seem to roll over after completing it.

I did come across some machines that certainly seemed to be +ev to vulture. I didn't spend much time messing around since I was just there on vacation and was just checking just to see if they had any good promos or somthing worthwhile to go back for.

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They had some Class II Aladdin's Fortune in Ilani (just off I-5 north of Portland) when I stopped there a couple of years ago. They had buildup so I played and actually won.

I've seen Class II Ocean Magic. The difference is with Class III Ocean Magic the wilds appear on the bottom row first then rotate upwards as you make the spins.

With Class II Ocean Magic the wilds appear/or not appear in random positions as you make the spins. So when you walk up and see wilds in the screen they are not going to rotate upwards on the next spin. They are going to disappear when you hit the spin button and may or may not appear in random positions on the next spin.

Also Elephant King/ Wolf Ridge. With Class III the awards above the reels move from right to left. The standard play is when you find the FREE GAMES symbol in the 2nd and/or 4th positions you make one spin to see if you catch the free games.

With Class II Elephant King/Wolf Ridge the awards don't move right to left when you make a spin. The symbols just change every spin. So when you see the FREE GAMES symbol in 2nd and/or 4th position they are not going to move to the left. So it's never a play.

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The OM and EK descriptions are what I was expecting out of class II. No buildup / no state / no equity. 1 spin = 1 bingo card = if it matches then reward based on the bingo pattern. I believe it works like this. THere is a 5x5 grid (maybe 6x6 shrug) If there is 1 dot on bingo card that gives the lowest prize if it is matched. If the prize requires 2 spots then those 2 spots need to hit and such. I have no clue what determines how many BINGO spots are chosen per card. Maybe that is variable. Either way such a system allows random numbers to drive the machine. I assume if there are 2 matches then the more complicated one hits... On the machines I'm used to you could see a list of the cards and each pattern has some name given to it. It is probably more like KENO.

I don't know exactly how it works but it is something like the above.

It seems fairly clear to me I've seen them in shops where class II isn't a thing. Where I became used to class II is a place where 70% are class III but it is obvious what is class II. The machines basically advertise the class II status and locals will memorize the bingo patterns that win and be able to call them out. Then I've also seen class II on an IGT game where it is barely noticeable but don't remember the game.

I will make notes if I see it going forward but kinda over machines. So many hustlers. I couldn't tell you last time I found a play of any value in a regular casino but I'm not pounding the carpet. Too many ploppies and such have figured out RRs and take them early and such. Too many hungry ppl.

Honestly, the whole confusion with Class II machines puzzles me as well. It’s especially intriguing how a machine can look like a Class III slot but actually function as a bingo machine. I’ve always thought these machines felt a bit limited with their “1 spin equals 1 bingo card” approach. However, I guess that depends more on regional requirements and how operators adapt to the rules. Maybe it’s not just about the mechanics but also about the cost factor. Class II machines provide a way for casinos to avoid needing Class III licenses, which might make them more cost-effective. In this context, it’s interesting to compare it to the European approach. We don’t have such a strict classification system like in the U.S. Instead, the focus is more on how games are regulated, the technology used, and the locations where the machines are placed. For example, video lottery terminals that I’ve seen in Hungary or Italy are not limited to casinos. They can also be found in bars or designated gaming zones. These machines operate through a central system, which allows for real-time regulation. This provides a lot of transparency, but at the same time, the high level of automation sometimes takes away some of the excitement. Lately, I have been leaning more toward online casinos because they are more convenient and offer a much wider selection of games. Modern platforms often feature impressive graphics and a variety of functionalities. When searching for the best licensed casinos, I usually rely on https://somagyarkaszino.com/. They offer detailed reviews and recommendations, which help in selecting trustworthy platforms and avoiding unreliable ones. I personally prefer the European system where everything is transparent and regulated in real-time. It would be fascinating to see something similar implemented here in the U.S.

Fuck you AI and your scam ass casino.