https://www.independent.com/2022/07/...t-the-casinos/
Eliot, I have a few questions from the article if you would care to engage.
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https://www.independent.com/2022/07/...t-the-casinos/
Eliot, I have a few questions from the article if you would care to engage.
Jacobson is a raving woke ass libtard lunatic. California snowflake. I had to ban him on Twitter to get that shit out of my feed.
I’m definitely not a fan of Elliots politics but I am a fan of his work...
Below is a story every AP can appreciate. Its the story about when Elliot published his count to beat the Baccarat Dragon 7 side bet. It’s a good story, he explains how the CEO of DEQ told him he had 140 messages from angry table games directors from all over the world he had to call back. Also rumored that DEQ’s largest shareholder dumped half of the stock they owned.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeR2AxY3O7Q
Well, I do admire Jacobson's math work on gambling. To bad he's a flaming liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Where does he post his politics? I guess maybe I've seen some of it but mostly he just talks about climate change. I had no clue about the guy outside of name recognition until I came across him on twitter.
If you believed his math was good on gaming (when very very few gamblers could even calculate that stuff) then I would suggest to not quickly discard his climate math. These aren't like opinions on societal issues like previous things.
One of the biggest reasons that effective change will never happen within a reasonable timeframe is because so many people on the right see this as a political issue. No, it is going to kill your progeny too dumb mother fucker! Whether directly or indirectly. Only way this doesn't happen is nukes/plague get to us first.
If you guys haven't noticed, we've broke records all across the globe this summer. I'm assuming most of you APs can extrapolate from these things....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Through the years I have been pretty hard on Eliot. I used the label "traitor" often. That came about for me because I heard from what has always been a very reliable source, an AP acquaintance, that when Eliot went to the dark side, he provided names and information on a number of top AP's that he knew or was acquaintances of. Eliot denies this occurred and really, looking objectively, I see no evidence that it did. I have not seen one single AP that knew or was acquaintances of Eliots claim they had any trouble as far as backoffs that could be attributed to that. I have to assume that if the accusations against Eliot were true a number of top AP's would have all of the sudden been unable to play. So I have no choice but to dismiss that accusation as hyperbole because one from "our" side went over to the dark side.
Now post Eliot's AP career, things got weird. As the article alludes to, he sort of worked both sides, publishing his book that taught AP's how to beat some of the games, but then went running to the casinos to do private, casino personnel only seminars of how to stop AP's and protect the games against those very AP's that his book helped teach to beat the games. And it looks like that may continue today even in his "retirement" as the article mentions a recent casino seminar this past spring. :confused:
Trust me I 100% wish the guy was totally wrong but why bullshit myself. I don't have kids to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
His consulting did stop a few very high level teams. Games that most APs don’t understand how to beat or Just maybe never had the time or desire to learn. The information he shared about the One2Six was particularly damaging. Just another scum bag IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I think With Elliot he’s not for “one side or the other” but rather enjoys using his skill set. It’s hard to explain, as I don’t believe he does it to “show off” - rather he gets satisfaction from displaying it.
If a casino offered him 20k today to come in and tell them where their leaks are, no doubt he would do it.
If an AP told him he has a potential play that would beat the breaks off of a casino that Elliot has previously consulted for and he needed Elliot to go over “the numbers” for a substantial fee, I think Elliot would do it.
As you guys know, Elliot was Phil Ivey’s expert witness in one of his edge sorting cases. There is not a doubt in my mind if Elliot was asked by the Plaintiff, instead of the defense to be the expert witness - No doubt he would do it. Just like any good attorney can make an argument for either side.
From what I understand Elliots AP career came to an end because he couldn’t stomach the variance. This is a reason many can’t be AP’s.
I believe if there was an AP opportunity today with a huge edge with very little variance, I think he would play it, if allowed in the casino.
Ultimately, I think he goes where the “work” is, but not so much for the money. He is not committed to “either side.”
Many AP's, myself included, develop an "Us vs Them" mentally with the casino industry. And we feel particularly insulted and agitated when one from "our side" crosses over to the dark side.
There is a history of this, including people like Wong and Shackleford doing work for the dark side dating as far back as Lawrence Revere in the 70's. Probably further back than that, but that is where my knowledge begins. People like Wong and Shackleford have managed to maintain some sort of respect or acceptance in the AP community despite working with the other side. Someone like Eliot, who did so much longer, and pretty much as a career, the resentment runs deeper.
I have communicated with Eliot privately on occasion over the past year or so, and find him to be a decent and likeable guy. I don't think he views it like some of the AP's do. Like PostiveVarianve just stated, I think for Eliot, it is just about the math and using his math abilities and expertise to make a living.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Variance the Great equalizer
Like I’ve said before many very successful APs come to a point in their life that the need more. The work of an AP is long, lonely at times and without meaning for many. Today these guys go on to teach others for a fee. Back in the day they may go work for the casino. It’s really a personal journey of discovery for them. Once you have a certain amount of money your work needs to have some type of meaning. I always try to encourage guys I know who have had this feeling to open a small business totally unrelated to gambling. Opening a business is something that requires maximum effort and focus. There’s a real sense of accomplishment if things work out and you are creating opportunities and jobs for people.
My problem with former APs who decide to work with casinos is they often are very narcissistic. The have little regard for all the APs they will harm by helping the casinos plug leaks. It’s mostly about them what they know, and how they can build their personal brand. Helping the most predatory industry in the world is not noble work.
Many people don’t like me because of my burn it down approach to plays. I often will hold off for a extended period of time but make no mistake I’m out to inflict maximum losses on these shops. These places need to be beat. It’s also how I personally find meaning in my work. But I would never work for a casino. Not for any amount of money
I am not sure why I was thinking there were 2 “L’s” in Eliot, not going to go back and correct them all, my apologies to Eliot if he reads this...
Even though professors don’t earn Much money teaching for their skill level, the best benefit is being able to retire in your 50’s, often times earning just as much from your pension, as you did teaching. At that point I think it would be fun to buy a nice RV traveling the country beating casinos several months out of the year.
Since Eliot's father invented the modern answering machine and appeared to have a successful career, I’m sure someone was handed down to him.
My guess is the dude is autistic and doesn't empathize with APs. So he burned the livelihoods of many people. It also suggests why he cares about climate change. Most people don't empathize in a systemic way. It is all anecdotal and interpersonal bullshit.
Anyway, I'm not saying you guys don't deserve to throw his ass in the gutter for the stuff he did.
I came here to post this...
Link talking about server infrastructure being shutdown because inadequate cooling could cause damage.
Yea, nothing to see here... lol so awful.
I am retired. I am not sure why that doesn't register with some folks here. Fully retired since 2017. Not a penny of income (other than book royalties). I have refused income making opportunities repeatedly, some for substantial amounts. I state quite clearly on my website that if I am contacted by an AP for any reason for a project and I find the project interesting, I will do the work (for free) and post the results. There has only been one case where the AP refused my offer. Twice I've worked for casino corporations on projects, under the condition that they make a donation to the non-profit of my choice in absence of a fee. I continue to output stuff, though clearly at my own pace these days. Willy invited me to present next year at the World Game Protection Conference and it just sounded fun so I accepted. I am not doing it in any professional capacity. I don't take sides. I get emails from APs and casino folks all the time. I answer every email, and do my best to be polite, not always succeeding. As for the one-2-six, I am not sure what some of you think I taught about that, but the glitch that folks exploited for many years was already well-known by the time I presented it in my seminars
As for my politics, I am a-political. My beliefs include some that could be classified as liberal, some conservative, and most anarchist/nihilist. Essentially, I believe politics are irrelevant to the future of humanity and the planet and I've done a lot of work tracking the collapse of everything to back up this claim. Sadly, most environmentalism is just a bunch of bright green lies. Still, I volunteer for the local wildlife care network. I am pro-choice and volunteer for Planned Parenthood. I volunteered at a local TV station producing and directing lots of shows, including several that were distinctly right-wing (anti-vax, pro-life, climate deniers, etc.). My view is that the more stuff gets out there, even stuff I strongly disagree with, the more each of us has to work with to make up our own minds. Many liberals want to shut down free speech and I hate that. I live by the academic perspective, that information does the greatest good in the public domain, a perspective I've lived by my whole adult life.
Cheers all.
Yes, of course the dissemination of information is a good thing, at least in the abstract, but I am beginning to thing the proliferation of smart devices / hand held 'puters is leading to a form of information overload.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
Which wouldn't be bad IF people were trained to think critically and weigh and process it accordingly.
But most are not able to do so, relying instead on "trusted" sources to feed them pre-digested opinions.
So you’re saying you never privately explained the vulnerability in the one2six to casino personal prior to your seminars? For the record this is only example there are others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
Good, you are here. Welcome to the discussion of your life. :D
I am not really interested in any of the political discussions or views. I can't for the life of me figure why any of that, with anyone belongs on a gambling forum.
I also accept that you are retired, so am now less interested in your career with the "dark side".
I have questions about your blackjack card counting career, based on the article, if you feel like answering. Since that period, late 90's was before my time in the community, I only know what others have said. So your card counting career was only part-time, never full-time right?
Can I ask how long that lasted? Years? and what kind of money you made? vs what kind of money you were expecting to make when you began?
Statements in the article hint that you were uncomfortable with putting out the bigger bets, something that troubles many card counters in the beginning of their careers. Is that correct? I would have thought with your mathematical background and understanding the variance, more than most/many, you would have been able to overcome that.
These questions and hopefully answers are just for my own curiosity.
I will save my final comment and thought for later.
This is about casinos bro. Who in their right mind have EVER suggested this is a "gambling forum". Sure those in casinos gamble but come'on. Thats your bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Seriously though, Eliot should realize that casinos are legitimate scummy in a general sense. At the top they're rotten and the execs will gladly break people in a quest to make $$$. It is hard to figure out a way to find Eliot's approach acceptable. Even though some APs break the "rules" it is ok because the entities in question are so shitty. Obviously this isn't to say every employee is a bad person and many have felt really bad for the people just shoveling away their savings.
Tasha this sound familar? My guess is even Singer lost most of his retirement gambling. I mean dude is legitimately buying Ebay money to show-off.
I counted cards from 1997 to about 2001, on-and-off after that. Never a high-roller, typical max bet was 2x$100. In about 2002 or so I started primarily looking for more advanced plays. Again, a low-roller. For me, a superstar 3CP flasher was usually a $75 bet. Even given my smallish wagers, I had days winning and losing $3k or more. My best one-day win was $4,400, card counting a single-deck game. My worst day was losing slightly more than $6k, that was hole-carding 3CP. That was tough for me. I stopped all AP in 2005. It was always part time, I also had academic positions during this period.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
In 2002 Stanford Wong and I had a telling conversation. He told me that I was a theorist, that "Eliot, you've proven to yourself that you can beat the games, there's really nothing more in it for you." He was right. I hated the variance, I hated the smoke & noise & everything about being in a casino. I loved the math.
Interesting. I thank you for sharing that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.
Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.
Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. :D Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community. :rolleyes:
But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement. :)
That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJInteresting. I thank you for sharing that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.
Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.
Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. :D Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community. :rolleyes:
But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement. :)
I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm
These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by EliotThat is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJInteresting. I thank you for sharing that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.
Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.
Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. :D Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community. :rolleyes:
But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement. :)
I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm
These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?
What do you think of Singer?
Never met a highly successful person at that top of their field motivated by money. Money in gambling is just a way to measure if you’re successful. Money shouldn’t be the motivation. For anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueA free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by EliotThat is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm
These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
Do you think a fantasy card counting gay gigolo could be sued for threatening gun violence on the internet ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Don't care, don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
China and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Mickey, what do you think of Planned Parenthood?
Would you be willing to structure a multi generational bet on climate change ? I’m not interested in anything else really. Just wondering if you would be interested in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotDon't care, don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueA free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by EliotThat is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm
These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
The available climate change wagers are posted on my website: https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueWould you be willing to structure a multi generational bet on climate change ? I’m not interested in anything else really. Just wondering if you would be interested in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotDon't care, don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
If there is a particular event you want to wager on, let me know and I'll figure out odds I think are fair and post it. You can then decide if it's a bet you want to take.
Shrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmChina and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.
Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.
"money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".
If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.
Other "money-grabs"
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds
Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
Yes this is another place I have it against "conservatives". They have the whole free speech things twisted and believe in government intervention from what I can tell. I mean whatever but call a spade a spade.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotHere are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueA free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotHere are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueA free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.
Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
I've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueStandard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotHere are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.
Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueStandard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotHere are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.
Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
My motivation is I don’t actually respect anything about your work. It’s flawed. I be more then happy taking some of daddy’s money he left you to help my great grand kids out.
You also didn’t answer my first question. But I already know the answer.
A substantial amount would be a few million. Set up in a trust of some sort that neither of us had control over and was bound by the terms of our agreement/ bet.
I’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field. As long as it’s structured accordingly and I don’t want that terms discussed here. So yeah bro I understand the numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueStandard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliot
You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.
Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
The earth has been warming and cooling for 4 billion years. A dumb fuck like you thinks he can change that. Ignorant stupid dumb fuck. And you can't fix stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionShrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmChina and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.
Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.
"money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".
If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.
Other "money-grabs"
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds
Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
I get a kick out of you idiots that use the term "climate deniers" to describe people that don't believe the world is in dire straights. You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Accountinquestion = Chicken Little
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Do you know how many people in this country can afford to buy a brand new electric vehicle? Not many you dumb motherfucker. So quit fucking pushing people. There is plenty of time for the technology to develop. Don't expect shit to be done overnight. It's not going to happen for ya. So quit your asinine bitching.
How fucking green are you green pushers anyway? Do you have zero carbon signature? I don't think so. My guess is you are a hypocrite.
Everything I do is public -- read my website. If you think I am wrong about something, you have plenty of opportunities to make a wager against me. I have wagers on the population at time X already booked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueI’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field. As long as it’s structured accordingly and I don’t want that terms discussed here. So yeah bro I understand the numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
I tried to make a similar bet like you are proposing with Guy McPherson, another with his protégée Kevin Hester, though none multi-generational. They are predicting total human extinction by 2026, which is beyond absurd. They declined my offer for a wager, saying that if they are dead there is no value in winning. That's why I give over/under on future population. Problem is, If I won the bet then I'd like to be paid in my lifetime, which according to actuarial tables has an over/under of 2044.
I was in the casino business, I make my own lines. My website is climatecasino ffs. If you want a line on something, even if it's multi-generational, say it here in public and I'll gladly set the line, which you can agree to or not.
Speaking of "clueless morons:" entrance, stage right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
The beauty of it all is I’m actually willing to bet. Been hustling semi smart second and third in their Fields for a long time. Again you add nothing of substance going back decades on these boards. As stated mega troll so go smoke weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
The leaders of Lansing, Michigan had a press conference to show off their shiny new electric vehicles and how environmentally friendly they were.
The usual libtard media was there asking stupid irrelevant questions. But one reporter raised his voice and asked where the electricity to charge the cars came from.
They pointed at the electric vehicle charging stations. "No" the reporter said "Where does the electricity supplied the City of Lansing come."
They all clammed up.
Over 95% of Lansing's electricity is produced from coal.
I'm not sure how the warming and cooling of the earth over millions of years is in any way comparable but sure believe whatever talking points you wish to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is a really simple way to look at it if you completely remove the timeframe from the discussion.
I don't think *I* can change it. I do think humanity could have (at least in theory). I don't think practically this could have ever happened. When I was younger I was a little bit more idealistic about my fellow man.
My purchasing the car has little to do with my wanting to save the planet. TBH I'm not sure that battery powered cars are particularly "sustainable". Low-end electric cars aren't that expensive but again that requires sacrifices and people ain't into doing that. I love the car because its fucking badass in many ways.
Not sure how I'm a hypocrite. I'm just telling you what the science says. Don't shoot the messenger...............
Honestly if you'd just left off the stupid ass "shoot yourself in the head" idiocy I'd been more cordial/professional towards you. Not sure what your deal is. Again, from my perspective it isn't a political thing. Just numbers/science. A few nutty rightwing APs aren't going to convince me to change my mind. Seriously guys. There is a pretty fucking solid global consensus on guys that are just as successful as you but who have studied the subject immensely. Eliot is just talking about the data he comes across and giving his interpretation. I don't see much right/left framing but you guys who have been brainwashed think it is all political. WTFever.
Can we discuss in private otherwise mega broke trolls are just going to derail the convo. I’m obviously trying to hustle you and feel I have an edge if the bet is structured in a certain way. This is why I stated how I wanted the bet to be structured. The line is honestly secondary to that. I’m not interested in going through your casino. I’m liquid enough to cover whatever we decide. The structure in some sort of trust would guarantee a return of some sort while we wait for the result. Can we speak privately on here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotEverything I do is public -- read my website. If you think I am wrong about something, you have plenty of opportunities to make a wager against me. I have wagers on the population at time X already booked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueI’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field. As long as it’s structured accordingly and I don’t want that terms discussed here. So yeah bro I understand the numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I tried to make a similar bet like you are proposing with Guy McPherson, another with his protégée Kevin Hester, though none multi-generational. They are predicting total human extinction by 2026, which is beyond absurd. They declined my offer for a wager, saying that if they are dead there is no value in winning. That's why I give over/under on future population. Problem is, If I won the bet then I'd like to be paid in my lifetime, which according to actuarial tables has an over/under of 2044.
I am in the casino business, I make my own lines. My website is climatecasino ffs. If you want a line on something, even if it's multi-generational, say it here in public and I'll gladly set the line, which you can agree to or not.
I'll only bet if we can put at least 100 million USD on it. You're the best bro. Glad you came aboard this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueThe beauty of it all is I’m actually willing to bet. Been hustling semi smart second and third in their Fields for a long time. Again you add nothing of substance going back decades on these boards. As stated mega troll so go smoke weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
For the record - I 100% believe you are a highly successful AP. THe other stuff? It sure ain't 100%.
BTW best thing you've said...
;)Quote:
Can we discuss in private otherwise mega broke trolls are just going to derail the convo
Bets not with you. I don’t have a 100 million. However If I had 200 million I would bet 100 million on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'll only bet if we can put at least 100 million USD on it. You're the best bro. Glad you came aboard this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueThe beauty of it all is I’m actually willing to bet. Been hustling semi smart second and third in their Fields for a long time. Again you add nothing of substance going back decades on these boards. As stated mega troll so go smoke weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
For the record - I 100% believe you are a highly successful AP. THe other stuff? It sure ain't 100%.
BTW best thing you've said...
;)Quote:
Can we discuss in private otherwise mega broke trolls are just going to derail the convo
Believe what you want
Thing is Mickey, we complete agree on this point. All this "green" washing is just a way for a few people to make $$$ while not giving a f**k about the future of the planet. If you've not seen "Planet of the Humans," I highly recommend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE
I love your honesty. Of course you're trying to hustle me. You just got me to laugh out loud, a genuine chuckle. Somehow, I think life is good for both of us and this is just a moment of fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueCan we discuss in private otherwise mega broke trolls are just going to derail the convo. I’m obviously trying to hustle you and feel I have an edge if the bet is structured in a certain way. This is why I stated how I wanted the bet to be structured. The line is honestly secondary to that. I’m not interested in going through your casino. I’m liquid enough to cover whatever we decide. The structure in some sort of trust would guarantee a return of some sort while we wait for the result. Can we speak privately on here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotEverything I do is public -- read my website. If you think I am wrong about something, you have plenty of opportunities to make a wager against me. I have wagers on the population at time X already booked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
I tried to make a similar bet like you are proposing with Guy McPherson, another with his protégée Kevin Hester, though none multi-generational. They are predicting total human extinction by 2026, which is beyond absurd. They declined my offer for a wager, saying that if they are dead there is no value in winning. That's why I give over/under on future population. Problem is, If I won the bet then I'd like to be paid in my lifetime, which according to actuarial tables has an over/under of 2044.
I am in the casino business, I make my own lines. My website is climatecasino ffs. If you want a line on something, even if it's multi-generational, say it here in public and I'll gladly set the line, which you can agree to or not.
I am the only person on the planet who has a website booking wagers for climate change events. You play by my rules or we don't play. Simple enough. Either I have the edge on the wager or there is no wager. :)
My main complaint against Planned Parenthood is the selling of the body parts of what they say is not a child. If it wasn't a child it wouldn't have body parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
I have no problem with abortion very early in the pregnancy before a body develops or in the case of rape or incest. But don't wait until you are six months pregnant to say you got raped.
"My body, my choice" is a flawed argument. There are two bodies involved.
Partial birth abortion is an abomination. They pull the head of the baby out of the womb then kill it with the rest of the body left in the womb. The reason they do it that way is if they pull the body all the way out then kill it they could be charged for murder.
I have no problem with birth control pills, condoms, morning after pills, or abortion very early in the pregnancy.
I agree.
Oh, I most assuredly will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue;147677\
Weed allows me to better tolerate the blathering bullshit that you and other assholes such as yourself are compelled to post on these boards.
As for not contributing: I am not an AP, I gamble recreationally and thus have no "secret wisdom" to instill; rather I'm just along for the ride, amusing myself when the opportunity presents itself.
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Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm not sure how the warming and cooling of the earth over millions of years is in any way comparable but sure believe whatever talking points you wish to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is a really simple way to look at it if you completely remove the timeframe from the discussion.
I don't think *I* can change it. I do think humanity could have (at least in theory). I don't think practically this could have ever happened. When I was younger I was a little bit more idealistic about my fellow man.
My purchasing the car has little to do with my wanting to save the planet. TBH I'm not sure that battery powered cars are particularly "sustainable". Low-end electric cars aren't that expensive but again that requires sacrifices and people ain't into doing that. I love the car because its fucking badass in many ways.
Not sure how I'm a hypocrite. I'm just telling you what the science says. Don't shoot the messenger...............
Honestly if you'd just left off the stupid ass "shoot yourself in the head" idiocy I'd been more cordial/professional towards you. Not sure what your deal is. Again, from my perspective it isn't a political thing. Just numbers/science. A few nutty rightwing APs aren't going to convince me to change my mind. Seriously guys. There is a pretty fucking solid global consensus on guys that are just as successful as you but who have studied the subject immensely. Eliot is just talking about the data he comes across and giving his interpretation. I don't see much right/left framing but you guys who have been brainwashed think it is all political. WTFever.
Listen the science is absolutely not settled on this. I been trying to make the same bet with other so called climate experts since the pandemic. Elliot to his credit is the only one willing to bet on single events, and does have a website to place wagers.
However
We could do absolutely nothing for the next 50 to 100 years and beyond and life as we know it will go on. Humans will not go extinct as a result of man made climate change its Just not going to happen. Period
There are so many other more likely events that would result in our demise. Some are not so likely, but are still a bigger Threat then made made climate change. The majority of the climate alarmist are running a grift, even Elliot cant get action on some of their more ridiculous predictions.
Sadly the proliferation of these charlatans looking to make some coin undermines a real problem. Yes I do think there’s a real climate problem that we need to address. It’s just never going to result in the extinction of man kind no matter how slow we are to react.
I don't know what the next 50 to 100 years will bring, but the next 3 days are going to be a little "toasty" here in Paradise, 114-115 degrees. Those in the vicinity and out and about take precautions.
I bought into the MSM "climate change" reports until I read Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear."
It opened my eyes to the issue.
I will give you the primary argument the extinction folks make. It is not that climate by itself will drive humans extinct. It's that the concurrence of collapse of modern industrial civilization, natural events like hurricanes, earthquakes and tidal waves and a decline in skills and the workforce will occur over a very short period, driving some significant number of the world's 440 nuclear reactors into meltdown. These reactors take years to properly decommission, using workers with very specific skills and under government oversight. Anything less than proper decomissioning could easily create a Fukashima type of event. So, the NTHE (near-term human extinction) folks argue that a sufficient amount of shit will happen in a sufficiently short period of time triggering a large number of reactors into meltdown, turning the planet into a nuclear wasteland devoid of surface life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
So the bet you want to make with those loons is "what percentage of the planet's humans will be radioactive zombies in the year 2100?"
The argument I'm making is for the collapse of modern industrial civilization, not extinction. Every civilization collapses, it's quite definitely our turn.
Make sure to wear that court twin active strap dress around the pool today strut to keep some sun off youQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Seedvalue, you will NOT drive me from this forum with your constant homophobic hate and bullying.
All you do is reaffirm your bigotry with each new post.
Calm down yosemite sam I was just offering some advice for your protection on this hot dayQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Fabulous that you found this video and were so motivated to share it. You are an honorable human with the best interests of educating ignorant people about the obvious worldwide conspiracy to misinterpret 200 years of data so that a few elite scumbag scientists can get funded.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I wanted to listen to this but once he started cracking jokes about people thinking Al Gore is a scientist I gave up on this nonsense. I want real science not partisan bullshit for feeble minded people who look for reassurance of their beliefs. Fuck that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Again, I am not going to listen to him but in this case I presume I would really wish he is correct. Give us a cliff-notes version and I'll read it but 30 minutes listening to partisan cruft no thanks.
Damn know-nothing physics nobel prize winners. What do they know.Quote:
Originally Posted by EliotFabulous that you found this video and were so motivated to share it. You are an honorable human with the best interests of educating ignorant people about the obvious worldwide conspiracy to misinterpret 200 years of data so that a few elite scumbag scientists can get funded.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Don't even bother tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
They won't even listen to their own religious heroes.
You have to remember that these idiots are taking every shot and every booster that is offered to them.
Sheep gonna Sheep which is odd in a Forum full of Wolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck
Here is a youtube video from the Institute of Advanced Study. Dummies like string theorists Ed Witten and Juan Malcadena work there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oog7-KOtpEA
More vids from this channel:
Key point in the talk:
Thanks for the video link Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDon't even bother tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
They won't even listen to their own religious heroes.
You have to remember that these idiots are taking every shot and every booster that is offered to them.
Sheep gonna Sheep which is odd in a Forum full of Wolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck
I 100% know you didn't watch this. The headline uses a quote for a reason. He's telling you why people believe what they believe and why this has been seen as a"liberal conspiracy". He isn't saying it IS a liberal conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDon't even bother tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
They won't even listen to their own religious heroes.
You have to remember that these idiots are taking every shot and every booster that is offered to them.
Sheep gonna Sheep which is odd in a Forum full of Wolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck
You should actually watch what you post, Monet. Or maybe realize you don't know enough to publicly express your opinion.
He basically supports my view. I don't disagree with anything he says in this video. He talks about US medical 2x the cost for medical but worse outcomes then socialized medicine then goes into why the fucking muppets lock stock and barrel support this. He then ties it into earth warming denial.
For those who say the "science isn't decided" Yes. Much like weather forecasters don't have it down 100%. One could say the science is undecided blah blah and they're never entirely _wrong_.
The problem with "sciences is undecided" is meteorologists are actually more right than wrong.
Much like the prediction of climate change and how it'll play out is beyond our ability it is the same with weather in general.
IMO the ecosytems will start to collapse and will lead to food shortages. It doesn't take much. We already are seeing some of this. Anyway, all this will cause very unstable societies. Riots and violence until at some point it just collapse and people start to starve in even first world countries.
Look around at all the drying up water supplies. "drought" Think about how it'll be in 20 years and how even more fragile our existence will be due to the need to engineer our basic survival.
Perhaps there will be a way to engineer a way out of it. Maybe not. I'm not holding my breath and once that solution dies the world will just burn.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by tableplayThanks for the video link Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDon't even bother tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
They won't even listen to their own religious heroes.
You have to remember that these idiots are taking every shot and every booster that is offered to them.
Sheep gonna Sheep which is odd in a Forum full of Wolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck
yes it's quite humorous to thank someone for posting a video.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by tableplayThanks for the video link Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
It is kind of funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Most of these knuckleheads will say God does not exist.
Nothing happens to you when you die.
Therefore, it makes no difference what actions you choose in life as you have no repercussions.
However, we are all going to die from global warming in the next 12 years.
Talk about LOL.
Except you'd 100% never done it if either of you knew what was in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayyes it's quite humorous to thank someone for posting a video.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
You jerk-off every other guy who agrees with you politically regardless of content. Like some support group stuff.
You seem like an ok guy though but just pointing out. Maybe you aren't even aware.
People are fascinating to me.
Like why does seedvalue know so much about women's clothing? Here's this guy with huge AP teams, a big penis, fucks tons of women, but SOMEHOW knows about various brands and styles of womenswear? Riddle me that one.
These are things that fascinate some of us.
Except no one on this forum is actually saying anything about 12 year timeframe.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetIt is kind of funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Most of these knuckleheads will say God does not exist.
Nothing happens to you when you die.
Therefore, it makes no difference what actions you choose in life as you have no repercussions.
However, we are all going to die from global warming in the next 12 years.
Talk about LOL.
I'm not sure why caring about future generations is something worthy of mocking. If you don't - thats fine! but why mock those who give a shit and are being decent people?
Of course God doesn't exist. Thats for the weak. Just like biases. For the weak. I only seek the truth no matter I like it or I don't. Most really smart people seem to agree with me on climate change. I see it countless times.
Anyway - you want to talk about the real SHEEP. Lets go with religion.. hahaha.. Yea,, I believed in that shit too when I was 15. Ironically I believed in Santa Claus a bit too long.
That's false.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Hahah so what is your point? that the climategate thing was a hoax where 100s or 1000s of emails were released and a handful of snippets were extracted to create this idea there is some conspiracy? Like they say this in the video - if you take such a large body of emails and finely comb through them you can typically make a lot of cases. That happened here.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
The "skeptics" once again used propaganda to pull the strings of their puppets.
After you coked out again?
Monet, it's always best to believe whatever someone decides to ram down your throat. For example the illegal drug use and prostitute content on Hunter Biden's laptop was just fake news. I know that because CNN told me that. Also everyone knows a person just can't make any money at casinos. And, so what if during the most recent U.S. presidential election people were caught on camera stuffing thousands of absentee ballots into ballot drop off sites at 2:00AM to 3:00 AM with gloves on even though it is illegal to drop even one absentee ballot into a drop off box if it is not your own. It's all just conspiratorial nonsense. Everyone goes to drop boxes at 2AM in the morning with gloves on.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetIt is kind of funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Most of these knuckleheads will say God does not exist.
Nothing happens to you when you die.
Therefore, it makes no difference what actions you choose in life as you have no repercussions.
However, we are all going to die from global warming in the next 12 years.
Talk about LOL.
Really grasping at straws are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayMonet, it's always best to believe whatever someone decides to ram down your throat. For example the illegal drug use and prostitute content on Hunter Biden's laptop was just fake news. I know that because CNN told me that. Also everyone knows a person just can't make any money at casinos. And, so what if during the most recent U.S. presidential election people were caught on camera stuffing thousands of absentee ballots into ballot drop off sites at 2:00AM to 3:00 AM with gloves on even though it is illegal to drop even one absentee ballot into a drop off box if it is not your own. It's all just conspiratorial nonsense. Everyone goes to drop boxes at 2AM in the morning with gloves on.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetIt is kind of funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Most of these knuckleheads will say God does not exist.
Nothing happens to you when you die.
Therefore, it makes no difference what actions you choose in life as you have no repercussions.
However, we are all going to die from global warming in the next 12 years.
Talk about LOL.
And if someone posts probabilistic nonsense because of a mistaken belief that next hand UX multipliers are generated on the deal and not on the draw so what. It can all just be brushed aside with a "whoops, I made a mistake" followed by a 180 degree topic change. Anyway it's real hard to make money at casinos these days. I'd better get some advice here on VCT about the best way to take out a line of credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionReally grasping at straws are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayMonet, it's always best to believe whatever someone decides to ram down your throat. For example the illegal drug use and prostitute content on Hunter Biden's laptop was just fake news. I know that because CNN told me that. Also everyone knows a person just can't make any money at casinos. And, so what if during the most recent U.S. presidential election people were caught on camera stuffing thousands of absentee ballots into ballot drop off sites at 2:00AM to 3:00 AM with gloves on even though it is illegal to drop even one absentee ballot into a drop off box if it is not your own. It's all just conspiratorial nonsense. Everyone goes to drop boxes at 2AM in the morning with gloves on.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I knew how UX worked, I just misread the screen. I don't play UX that much and just sorta glanced at it. I'm not always a thorough person when I "check" things.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I didn't make any 180% topic change. I just said I made a mistake and that was that. It wasn't some deeply held belief or anything. It is not really analogous in any sort of way. Just a one time thing from not really inspected a screenshot on a forum. My math was based on that which was also wrong because of my not closely looking at screenshot. I explained what I'd done and moved on. It was really simple to do because mentally I'm not feeble and can readily admit being wrong (And infact I like people correcting me. It means I improve)
I was just wondering about the processes of taking out a marker. Who gives a fuck. Bellagio is fairly incompetent these days btw.
Ok, so you are REALLY REALLY grasping at straws. I believe that is what you're trying to convey in this response, no?
Yes, you got me - It is much more efficient to write "I am really really grasping at straws" in order to convey that I am really really grasping at straws rather than all that blathering I was doing since the blathering could be interpreted as having some other meaning such as believe everything you are told to believe hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI 100% know you didn't watch this. The headline uses a quote for a reason. He's telling you why people believe what they believe and why this has been seen as a"liberal conspiracy". He isn't saying it IS a liberal conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDon't even bother tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
They won't even listen to their own religious heroes.
You have to remember that these idiots are taking every shot and every booster that is offered to them.
Sheep gonna Sheep which is odd in a Forum full of Wolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck
You should actually watch what you post, Monet. Or maybe realize you don't know enough to publicly express your opinion.
He basically supports my view. I don't disagree with anything he says in this video. He talks about US medical 2x the cost for medical but worse outcomes then socialized medicine then goes into why the fucking muppets lock stock and barrel support this. He then ties it into earth warming denial.
For those who say the "science isn't decided" Yes. Much like weather forecasters don't have it down 100%. One could say the science is undecided blah blah and they're never entirely _wrong_.
The problem with "sciences is undecided" is meteorologists are actually more right than wrong.
Much like the prediction of climate change and how it'll play out is beyond our ability it is the same with weather in general.
IMO the ecosytems will start to collapse and will lead to food shortages. It doesn't take much. We already are seeing some of this. Anyway, all this will cause very unstable societies. Riots and violence until at some point it just collapse and people start to starve in even first world countries.
Look around at all the drying up water supplies. "drought" Think about how it'll be in 20 years and how even more fragile our existence will be due to the need to engineer our basic survival.
Perhaps there will be a way to engineer a way out of it. Maybe not. I'm not holding my breath and once that solution dies the world will just burn.
20 years is a reasonable timeline would you care to place a wager on what you think will happen in the next 20 years ?
Let me know what you want to bet on and we can figure something out. Same structure I was talking with Eliott about.