That's only because you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
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That's only because you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Redietz nuking comes as no surprise. Once Wizard decides he doesn't like someone and forms a bias against them, there can be only one outcome. He will attempt to drive them from the form via unfair and multiple suspensions and if that doesn't work, will "find" a reason to Nuke them.
I'll just bump what I wrote yesterday.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
So a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?? We know one mod from there posts her occasionally, could he be the culprit?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThe threat was made earlier in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
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Originally Posted by redietz
And a threat that was obviously made in jest by RED on another forum is worthy of a Nuke but having a personal forum where you start threads bashing posters is OK with the Wiz.
Silly RED, perhaps he needed to pay Wizard to witness something he can’t talk about. Maybe that would have changed everything. Or if RED would have offered to bring along a paraplegic for Gordo to fuck he would have gotten a pass. Credit to Freddy for bringing up that gem from Gordon’s past.
What's so good about that question?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Are you scouting for others to join your rat club or something?
Geez, this was the threat? I didn't even see THAT as a threat. I honestly though Redietz mean "virtual" visit, as in at the end of his suspension, he would take up the matter with Gordon.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
We have seen threats on this forum. I have seen people threaten to find me and then show up at my building. :rolleyes: I just honestly don't see what redietz wrote as much of a threat.
You don't post anything honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You just make shit up, and then present it and your accompanying accusations as fact.
You are such a fucktard. How is "I honestly don't see" presenting something as fact? "I honestly don't see" is an out right declaration that it is my opinion. Can you be any stupider? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou don't post anything honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You just make shit up, and then present it and your accompanying accusations as fact.
"Wellbush" will fit right in with the All-Star trio at GF of Turbo Genius, Gizmotron and Nathan Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
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Originally Posted by The BozSo a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?? We know one mod from there posts her occasionally, could he be the culprit?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
The threat was made earlier in this thread...
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Originally Posted by redietz
And a threat that was obviously made in jest by RED on another forum is worthy of a Nuke but having a personal forum where you start threads bashing posters is OK with the Wiz.
Silly RED, perhaps he needed to pay Wizard to witness something he can’t talk about. Maybe that would have changed everything. Or if RED would have offered to bring along a paraplegic for Gordo to fuck he would have gotten a pass. Credit to Freddy for bringing up that gem from Gordon’s past.
LOL. What I get a kick out of is Shackleford pretending that I made some dire threat to gordo's well-being. You'll notice he didn't verbatim quote me. I was just going to have a conversation with gordo. Now it'll have to be at the next WoV get together. Oh well, so be it.
I don't have much tolerance for victim playing.
Mr. Shackleford, there will be a reckoning, as Dr. Evil says. Count on it.
In all seriousness, Shackleford is as obvious as the sun coming up. What do the three nuked-at-WoV VCT members have in common -- me, once-nuked kewlJ, and mickey crimm?
We all make a living gambling. We are professionals. We do what Shackleford cannot do. We know far more than he does about various aspects of real life gambling.
It really is that simple.
You consistently make shit up and present your fantasies and accompanying accusations as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You don't post honestly, so when you write "I honestly don't see" that statement is dishonest and should not be believed as your honest opinion.
Understand now, fucktard?
Says the guy who has been banned and unbanned (many times of his own volition) countless times. If Wizard really let his personal feelings and things said about him always dictate who is allowed to post there and who isn't, then you never would have been allowed back.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJRedietz nuking comes as no surprise. Once Wizard decides he doesn't like someone and forms a bias against them, there can be only one outcome. He will attempt to drive them from the form via unfair and multiple suspensions and if that doesn't work, will "find" a reason to Nuke them.
I'll just bump what I wrote yesterday.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Did you not read Wizard's post in the Suspension List thread? He basically told you to go after him if you're going to go after anyone, so there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
As far as I'm concerned, he's just sticking up for one of the mods who do their job there on a volunteer basis. If someone came into the soup kitchen where I volunteer and said anything that could be construed as a threat against me, while I wouldn't personally be the one asking for them to be banned from the premises, I would think that the Administration there would ban that person of its own accord.
How is building arguably the world's best-known gambling website and selling it for millions of dollars not, "Making a living at gambling?"Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Anyway, I'm clearly going to be a somewhat biased party on this one since I write for the sites and consider Wizard a friend of mine. With that, I'm going to mostly bow out of this thread henceforward. If someone brings me up in anyway, then I hope someone else will let me know...or if anyone does have something they want to say to me, I can be found in any other number of threads here.
Dude, I dont know exactly what the deal is with the nukes and all, but I am certain it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE BEING AN AP OR NOT. It would stand to reason there are/were a fair amount of AP's on that website, it would also stand to reason that the AP's posting on the forums are not people who have a passive personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I went and took a look at what you said, It was weak as far as a threat goes, but it sounded like a veiled threat nonetheless. Yeah, you worded it in a way where you could say it meant anything and it was open to interpretation. I would not have nuked you for that, but I certainly would have asked that you explain it. The mods don't deserve to get harassed for doing "their job".
Mission, to put it mildly, get the fuck real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Did you not read Wizard's post in the Suspension List thread? He basically told you to go after him if you're going to go after anyone, so there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
As far as I'm concerned, he's just sticking up for one of the mods who do their job there on a volunteer basis. If someone came into the soup kitchen where I volunteer and said anything that could be construed as a threat against me, while I wouldn't personally be the one asking for them to be banned from the premises, I would think that the Administration there would ban that person of its own accord.
I am 64 years old. I have 17 arrests and no convictions. Just kidding, although people do believe that. It's a variation of a Big Jule quote from Guys and Dolls, "Well, I used to be bad when I was a kid, but ever since then I've gone straight, as has been proved by my record: Thirty-three arrests and no convictions!"
If I am going to threaten someone, I'm too arrogant and late in life to sugar coat it.
Speaking of Big Jule as a kid, the coming-of-age car story I mentioned to you a couple of months ago featured my first little gambling adventure in life. Both 17, my friend and I were driving around Schuylkill County in a Lincoln (which he did get title to two years later), picking up 10K here and 8K there for a place called the Jester Club. No adults chaperoned us. This was 1974 or thereabouts, and 10K then is roughly 45K now, so we were not a clown act. When people were short, we reported them as short, and actions were taken by the Jester Club. Nobody was ever short a second time. So that was my intro to gambling.
If I'm going to have somebody's legs broken, I'm not going to be shy about it. I will say, "I'm going to have gordo's legs broken." For the record, I also do not abide by the Italians' rules and regs. Those who understand what I'm saying, understand what I'm saying.
So this victim-playing by Shackleford is nonsensical. All it does is piss me off.
Direct Quote from Dan Druff...Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I debated on commenting on redietz's comments (included above), especially the "We do what Shackleford cannot do". I don't know what Shackleford does or doesn't do AP-wise to earn money and I don't know what kind of money he makes or has made because he doesn't share much of that. Hasn't it been like some 20 years since he left his job at social security? I don't know what he has done to earn money other than the publicized stint as a consultant at Venetian. Has there been more of that type of thing? I have no idea. Has APing been a big part of his income? again I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146How is building arguably the world's best-known gambling website and selling it for millions of dollars not, "Making a living at gambling?"Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I will say, I don't consider building and selling a website as "making a living at gambling". That is business. And good for him. I think he kind of lucked into that, but seriously good for him. Mission, would you consider a guy that owns and runs a shop selling baseball cards as making a living playing baseball?
I was going to let this go about redietz comment but since I am into it now, I am uncomfortable with my inclusion of doing something that Mike Shackleford can't. Even in my narrow field of expertise of card counting or even more specific, card counting in Las Vegas, there is nothing about the mathematics of card counting that I know that Shackleford doesn't and almost assuredly things he knows and understands that I don't. What I may have on him and others is I have learned how to apply what I know and play and still be welcome back to play again, and again. (well at least so far....we will see what next week brings :rolleyes:). I am quite sure if Mr. Shackleford wanted to apply himself to card counting and learning about the tolerance levels of what is needed for longevity, he could do everything I do. Like Most AP's, he has bigger fish to fry.
Either way, all of this is just endless bitching that a guy who doesn't want to hear from certain people does not want them posting on a platform that he created and mostly still operates.
If Dan Druff doesn't like me and wants to Nuke me from this site, then I can assure you that I'm not going to go over to WoV or GF and create, "The VCT Thread," to bitch about everything that goes on here for hundreds of pages. Most likely, I'm just never going to look at this site again, unless someone tells me that I am being Doxxed and I need to report it to Dan.
There's this asshole who lives across the street whose dad (I assume) was parked in the middle of the way and was out of his truck talking to the guy. Anyway, that prevented me from getting to my parking spot, so I parked right behind him, got out of my car, went on an absolute profanity-laced tirade that ended in, "I'm taking my food and going inside, when you're ready to get your fucking truck out of the middle of the way, then one of you two c*n*s come over here and knock on the door and I'll move my fucking car since parking in the middle of the way is apparently something that us pieces of shit are doing now. Fuck you and fuck you and both of you go to hell! Don't wait for me, just knock and I'll come move it."
Anyway, I went over after I calmed down and apologized only to the extent of calling them both c*n*s...I made very clear that I was not apologizing for anything except calling them that word specifically. He told me to get off of his property, so I flipped him off and did as he asked because he's within his right to ask that. He should have apologized to me for the fact that his dad was blocking me from getting to my spot and didn't even make a move to get in his truck and move it when he saw me coming up, but he's a c*n*, so what do you expect?
Either way, you don't see me running around the neighborhood telling everyone the story or talking shit about the guy. It's over and done with, so that's that. If the dude speaks to me, then I'm just going to flip him off again. If he wants to come get it, then he can come get it, but I know he's a cop, so he's going to have to sign a waiver and a contract that says he is agreeing to fight me.
Like I wrote earlier...you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I said, "Construed as a threat," which it could be. In my opinion, it wasn't actually a serious threat, but it could be construed as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzMission, to put it mildly, get the fuck real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Did you not read Wizard's post in the Suspension List thread? He basically told you to go after him if you're going to go after anyone, so there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
As far as I'm concerned, he's just sticking up for one of the mods who do their job there on a volunteer basis. If someone came into the soup kitchen where I volunteer and said anything that could be construed as a threat against me, while I wouldn't personally be the one asking for them to be banned from the premises, I would think that the Administration there would ban that person of its own accord.
I am 64 years old. I have 17 arrests and no convictions. Just kidding, although people do believe that. It's a variation of a Big Jule quote from Guys and Dolls, "Well, I used to be bad when I was a kid, but ever since then I've gone straight, as has been proved by my record: Thirty-three arrests and no convictions!"
If I am going to threaten someone, I'm too arrogant and late in life to sugar coat it.
Speaking of Big Jule as a kid, the coming-of-age car story I mentioned to you a couple of months ago featured my first little gambling adventure in life. Both 17, my friend and I were driving around Schuylkill County in a Lincoln (which he did get title to two years later), picking up 10K here and 8K there for a place called the Jester Club. No adults chaperoned us. This was 1974 or thereabouts, and 10K then is roughly 45K now, so we were not a clown act. When people were short, we reported them as short, and actions were taken by the Jester Club. Nobody was ever short a second time. So that was my intro to gambling.
If I'm going to have somebody's legs broken, I'm not going to be shy about it. I will say, "I'm going to have gordo's legs broken." For the record, I also do not abide by the Italians' rules and regs. Those who understand what I'm saying, understand what I'm saying.
So this victim-playing by Shackleford is nonsensical. All it does is piss me off.
I have a trigger temper, but only when it comes to dealing with other men, that you usually don't get to see in written form.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyLike I wrote earlier...you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I'm sure you feel entitled to act as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I've seen it on the YouTube "Karens in Action" page
Can I get the uncensored version?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I've never been good at Wheel of Fortune or the Hangman game.
No, but the guy who invented Topps I would consider as, "Making a living on baseball."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI debated on commenting on redietz's comments (included above), especially the "We do what Shackleford cannot do". I don't know what Shackleford does or doesn't do AP-wise to earn money and I don't know what kind of money he makes or has made because he doesn't share much of that. Hasn't it been like some 20 years since he left his job at social security? I don't know what he has done to earn money other than the publicized stint as a consultant at Venetian. Has there been more of that type of thing? I have no idea. Has APing been a big part of his income? again I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146How is building arguably the world's best-known gambling website and selling it for millions of dollars not, "Making a living at gambling?"Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I will say, I don't consider building and selling a website as "making a living at gambling". That is business. And good for him. I think he kind of lucked into that, but seriously good for him. Mission, would you consider a guy that owns and runs a shop selling baseball cards as making a living playing baseball?
I was going to let this go about redietz comment but since I am into it now, I am uncomfortable with my inclusion of doing something that Mike Shackleford can't. Even in my narrow field of expertise of card counting or even more specific, card counting in Las Vegas, there is nothing about the mathematics of card counting that I know that Shackleford doesn't and almost assuredly things he knows and understands that I don't. What I may have on him and others is I have learned how to apply what I know and play and still be welcome back to play again, and again. (well at least so far....we will see what next week brings :rolleyes:). I am quite sure if Mr. Shackleford wanted to apply himself to card counting and learning about the tolerance levels of what is needed for longevity, he could do everything I do. Like Most AP's, he has bigger fish to fry.
Besides, as you point out, I don't know what he does on the AP side of things, but I know he does more than nothing. He's worked for The Venetian, sold the sites for more than a million bucks, works for the sites, has been contracted independently for gambling-related math work and has done a non-zero amount of advantage play. If he hasn't made a living gambling, then I don't know who has.
Seems to me like you could have started with "Excuse me sir, I'd like to get to my parking space, could you please move your car?" and then maybe save escalating to the profanity laced tirade for if the nice approach doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Did you not read the story? Are you the sort of c**t who parks in the middle of the way and gets out of his truck to have prolonged conversations with people despite the fact that there's no way for someone to get around your truck to get to their parking spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Anyway, I'm not the Karen in that story, bro.
Fuck that. Those people are adults. I'll save the, "Excuse me, sir," for someone I'm trying to get around in the grocery store aisle, not someone parked in the middle of the road, out of his truck, that's looking right at my car parked behind him. I did wait for a few seconds before getting out of the car and losing my shit on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pepeSeems to me like you could have started with "Excuse me sir, I'd like to get to my parking space, could you please move your car?" and then maybe save escalating to the profanity laced tirade for if the nice approach doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
If I’m not mistaken you made a post a few weeks ago how you’re some sort of expert in eating pussy....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I have a trigger temper, but only when it comes to dealing with other men, that you usually don't get to see in written form.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyLike I wrote earlier...you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Has the “Coach” asked you if you could prove that to him personally?
I'm not Certified, for the record, and no, Coach has not asked for a demonstration.
No...I'm not interested in watching Mission go down on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
It was purposefully crafted that way, anyone thinking any differently is an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I have a trigger temper, but only when it comes to dealing with other men, that you usually don't get to see in written form.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyLike I wrote earlier...you're a people person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Red said,
" Now it'll have to be at the next WoV get together. Oh well, so be it."
"Mr. Shackleford, there will be a reckoning, as Dr. Evil says. Count on it."
This stuff could also be considered a veiled threat, but I dont think anyone is taking it seriously.
As if anyone should really care about getting banned from one forum. As far as I'm concerned we are all a bunch of sick fucks when it comes to wasting so much time on the forums in the first place. Try to explain to the average person about your time spent on the forums and all the BS you engage in. They will be very puzzled at your decision to participate.
A professional gambler is someone who gamblers for a living, not someone who does any of the gambling related things you describe. By your definition, Rob Singer was a professional gambler because he wrote for Gambling Today (for free). :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146No, but the guy who invented Topps I would consider as, "Making a living on baseball."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI debated on commenting on redietz's comments (included above), especially the "We do what Shackleford cannot do". I don't know what Shackleford does or doesn't do AP-wise to earn money and I don't know what kind of money he makes or has made because he doesn't share much of that. Hasn't it been like some 20 years since he left his job at social security? I don't know what he has done to earn money other than the publicized stint as a consultant at Venetian. Has there been more of that type of thing? I have no idea. Has APing been a big part of his income? again I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I will say, I don't consider building and selling a website as "making a living at gambling". That is business. And good for him. I think he kind of lucked into that, but seriously good for him. Mission, would you consider a guy that owns and runs a shop selling baseball cards as making a living playing baseball?
I was going to let this go about redietz comment but since I am into it now, I am uncomfortable with my inclusion of doing something that Mike Shackleford can't. Even in my narrow field of expertise of card counting or even more specific, card counting in Las Vegas, there is nothing about the mathematics of card counting that I know that Shackleford doesn't and almost assuredly things he knows and understands that I don't. What I may have on him and others is I have learned how to apply what I know and play and still be welcome back to play again, and again. (well at least so far....we will see what next week brings :rolleyes:). I am quite sure if Mr. Shackleford wanted to apply himself to card counting and learning about the tolerance levels of what is needed for longevity, he could do everything I do. Like Most AP's, he has bigger fish to fry.
Besides, as you point out, I don't know what he does on the AP side of things, but I know he does more than nothing. He's worked for The Venetian, sold the sites for more than a million bucks, works for the sites, has been contracted independently for gambling-related math work and has done a non-zero amount of advantage play. If he hasn't made a living gambling, then I don't know who has.
Again, I don't know what Shackleford does as far as actual gambling income. He hasn't shared that and that is his right, but not of these other things, including "building and selling" WoV/WoO qualifies as making a living via gambling.
They're walking around like regular people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
They don't see each other.
They only see what they want to see.
They don't know they're Karens.
Okay, would you not say that an MLB Coach who never actually played in the MLB did not make, "His living off of baseball?" I never said Wizard is a, "Professional gambler," I said he, "Makes his living off of gambling."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJA professional gambler is someone who gamblers for a living, not someone who does any of the gambling related things you describe. By your definition, Rob Singer was a professional gambler because he wrote for Gambling Today (for free). :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146No, but the guy who invented Topps I would consider as, "Making a living on baseball."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Besides, as you point out, I don't know what he does on the AP side of things, but I know he does more than nothing. He's worked for The Venetian, sold the sites for more than a million bucks, works for the sites, has been contracted independently for gambling-related math work and has done a non-zero amount of advantage play. If he hasn't made a living gambling, then I don't know who has.
Again, I don't know what Shackleford does as far as actual gambling income. He hasn't shared that and that is his right, but not of these other things, including "building and selling" WoV/WoO qualifies as making a living via gambling.
In any event, you at least seem to be the pot trying to identify the kettle. As far as I'm concerned, I don't park my vehicle in the middle of the road, get out and go talk to people at their front doors. I'm basically as polite as anyone you are likely to meet, until I am given a reason to be impolite.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThey're walking around like regular people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
They don't see each other.
They only see what they want to see.
They don't know they're Karens.
I can always spot the Karen...it's the entitled bitch who's making a scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Wanting to park in the spot that is assigned to me is, "Entitlement?" I would think that believing I could park my vehicle in the middle of the way in a fashion that prevents people from getting into or out of the other side would be, "Acting entitled," but what do I know?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI can always spot the Karen...it's the entitled bitch who's making a scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Another thing that would be, "Acting entitled," would be if I had just parked in someone else's spot, but I wouldn't do that, because I'm not the sort of c**t who does such a thing. I have an assigned spot, so that's where I park.
I also tend to think that the two guys figured other people would just put up with it because the resident is a cop. I won't. I don't care if he's the Governor of the state.
Don't you agree that you're entitled to park in your assigned spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
The act of making a scene over entitlement makes the Karen.
What's the protocol if your assigned spot is not available? A public meltdown?
No, I don't agree with that. If I had my way, then you could just park in any spot that happens to be available at the time.
However, even if you want to make an argument that my assigned spot is an, "Entitlement," then it's an entitlement that I also happen to be paying for...so I should be able to get to my spot unencumbered. The driver of the truck is certainly not paying to park in the middle of the way and could also use one of the visitor parking spots for free, if one is available.
If the subject is protocols, then I would think that not parking in a fashion that prevents access in or out would be a protocol. In fact, it would actually be a violation of the lease...so, that being the case, if I really wanted to be a, "Karen," I could have taken a picture of the situation and reported the resident to property management, the sort of thing that someone like you would do, but I prefer to handle my problems with other people directly.
I would assume Mike is ahead lifetime on his own gambling. I have involved him in a few things and I know all of those things have made money, there may have been somthing very small that was a dud. I'm significantly ahead when involved in his Superbowl prop betting, he hits it way harder than I do. (I didn't participate during his bridge jumpers, from my calculation he has since recovered from that ) I think he did well with the 1/2 parlays. IIRC there was table gameplay that didn't last long(a few hours) and we lost a little on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJA professional gambler is someone who gamblers for a living, not someone who does any of the gambling related things you describe. By your definition, Rob Singer was a professional gambler because he wrote for Gambling Today (for free). :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146No, but the guy who invented Topps I would consider as, "Making a living on baseball."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Besides, as you point out, I don't know what he does on the AP side of things, but I know he does more than nothing. He's worked for The Venetian, sold the sites for more than a million bucks, works for the sites, has been contracted independently for gambling-related math work and has done a non-zero amount of advantage play. If he hasn't made a living gambling, then I don't know who has.
Again, I don't know what Shackleford does as far as actual gambling income. He hasn't shared that and that is his right, but not of these other things, including "building and selling" WoV/WoO qualifies as making a living via gambling.
IIRC he mentioned investing in some card counting teams, and that didn't go too well(No Duh!!!!) I have no clue how much that investment cost him, but I assume it was a fair amount. Even so, if he's not a lifetime winner he will eventually be if he keeps dabbling here and there.
I don't think Mike is willing to do what it takes to be a successful full-time AP.
Are you arguing with me over whether or not you feel entitled to park in your assigned spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Which side of the debate are you taking? Are you entitled to park in your assigned spot or not?
Interesting stuff. I would love to hear more about all of it just out of curiosity. In particular, the card counting teams. That didn't work for the usual reasons? Trust. Team players skimming (which reverts back to trust). ???Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I would be willing to give you 10 to 1 that someome reported it. And no, I dont have any inside information about the situation. You can tell he doesn't even follow WOV all that closely, I just can't imagine he's reading GF unless linked to somthing specific. The fact that he doesn't follow WOV that closely is one reason there are so many bad suspensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozSo a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?? We know one mod from there posts her occasionally, could he be the culprit?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
The threat was made earlier in this thread...
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Originally Posted by redietz
And a threat that was obviously made in jest by RED on another forum is worthy of a Nuke but having a personal forum where you start threads bashing posters is OK with the Wiz.
Silly RED, perhaps he needed to pay Wizard to witness something he can’t talk about. Maybe that would have changed everything. Or if RED would have offered to bring along a paraplegic for Gordo to fuck he would have gotten a pass. Credit to Freddy for bringing up that gem from Gordon’s past.
That's an evasive answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I'll ask again, what's the protocol if your assigned spot is not available?
Maybe park in another spot? Or be a tattletale? Or challenge your neighbor to a fistfight over it?
From what you wrote, it wasn't even his vehicle blocking your way.
Define the word, "Entitled," as you are using it in the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
From Google:
1.) The fact of having a right to something.
-My answer to that would be, "Sort of," except I'm not sure that you can call something, "A right," if you have to pay for it.
2.) The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
-It would absolutely not qualify as an, "Entitlement," under this definition.
With that, let's look at the definition of Entitled:
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
Okay, so no, because I'm not inherently deserving of the privilege, which is why you pay to have a parking spot. Anyone can pay to have one of the spots (if they are residents or family), so the fact that I have a spot is not, "Special treatment."
So, it doesn't seem to rise up to the level of, "Entitlement," though you could make the argument, were I not paying for the spot.
And, even if it did, then I certainly feel less entitled than the asshole who parks his truck in the middle of the way and blocks everything---who probably only feels that way because his son is a cop and he figures nobody is going to say anything about it.
Coach, you're STILL going on about the Parking Space thing? Most of us are already watching the Sequel to a highly anticipated movie. You are still stuck on the FIRST movie so to speak. Let the parking thing go...Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThat's an evasive answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I'll ask again, what's the protocol if your assigned spot is not available?
Maybe park in another spot? Or be a tattletale? Or challenge your neighbor to a fistfight over it?
From what you wrote, it wasn't even his vehicle blocking your way.
I really dont know the details, it's somewhere on WOV. This was years ago. I really didn't need any details, I can only imagine all of the above but there's no way of really telling. I don't think you can just decide to start a big AP team and have it be successful. I'm not saying it can't ever work, I just think it would be rare for it to work. I think one has to add on slowly and it's best if it starts organically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJInteresting stuff. I would love to hear more about all of it just out of curiosity. In particular, the card counting teams. That didn't work for the usual reasons? Trust. Team players skimming (which reverts back to trust). ???Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
There is no protocol for that because there is no reason your spot should not be available. The closest thing to a protocol is, if there is a move-in or move-out, then you will be given a letter with a date and time and you will be assigned a temporary spot (by property management) to use while that is going on. Since the resident on the other side was not moving, there was no letter, hence no protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThat's an evasive answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I'll ask again, what's the protocol if your assigned spot is not available?
Maybe park in another spot? Or be a tattletale? Or challenge your neighbor to a fistfight over it?
From what you wrote, it wasn't even his vehicle blocking your way.
Anyway, I can't park in another spot because someone else is paying for whatever spot that I might happen to choose, and more importantly, I'm not a total dickhead---except to those who are already being total dickheads.
There's no way that I was going to address him without cussing him out because I waited for a few seconds figuring the guy with the truck would start walking towards his truck in order to move it. I couldn't really just back out (and even if I had, would have to park the equivalent of two blocks away) because I would have had to go in reverse (which I'm not great at) for a couple hundred feet.
Obviously, what the truck should have done is just taken one of the other parking spots temporarily. I wouldn't even have cared that much if it had been my spot. The main thing that pissed me off was that he was blocking the way and I know that my other neighbors are too timid to even say anything at all to him---even if they wanted to get out.
Your "sort of" qualifier is confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Are you stipulating that you are not entitled to park in the assigned spot that you paid for, that you feel less entitled than visitor who blocked access to your spot?
It's a dialogue, not a monologue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
I'm stipulating that the spot itself is not an entitlement, by virtue of the fact that I directly pay to have the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYour "sort of" qualifier is confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Are you stipulating that you are not entitled to park in the assigned spot that you paid for, that you feel less entitled than visitor who blocked access to your spot?
Therefore, access to that spot is not a right; it is a privilege. However, it's not an inherent privilege because, once again, I am paying to have it. You suggesting that it is an entitlement is like saying that my expectation that nobody will be standing at my front door trying to block me from getting in is an entitlement. The word simply doesn't apply.
If your spot wasn't available, then there was certainly a reason for that condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Can you think of any reason whatsoever why your assigned parking spot would not be available?
For instance...an emergency, a food delivery, a welfare visit, some other innocent parking indiscretion?
Are you entitled to park in the assigned spot that you paid for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Yeah, some asshole was blocking the way. I thought I had already established that.
I said that there is no reason your spot should not be available. I went on to specify the only condition, per your request, by which there is a protocol due to the spot being unavailable.
There actually is a protocol for food delivery, which is that you meet the driver at the driver's vehicle so that they are blocking one of the ways for as short a period of time as possible. Again, my story pre-established that this was not a food delivery, but a social visit---though not a welfare visit.
In the event of an emergency, then there would obviously be an emergency vehicle---which this truck was not---and I would not have reacted the way that I did.
In fact, I wouldn't have reacted the way I did if the guy saw me and made any effort whatsoever to approach his truck in order to move it, which is what someone who isn't a complete asshole would do. Actually, someone who's not a complete asshole wouldn't have had his truck there to begin with.
This is where you say that someone who isn't a complete asshole wouldn't cuss people out over such a thing, which is fair, but I am a complete asshole sometimes...almost always as a direct response to someone else being a complete asshole.
Again, it depends on how you are using the word. That's why I asked you to define the word as you are using it. "Entitled," has become something of a loaded word.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyAre you entitled to park in the assigned spot that you paid for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Also, it has nothing to do with the spot itself. I would say that everyone who lives here is entitled to not have trucks blocking the way.
As I mentioned, I wouldn't have cared if he had been parked in my spot. Mildly annoyed, but I'd have just driven around for five minutes and then said something if he was still there. I probably would have been polite.
Before you ask, I would not have to go in reverse if he had been in my spot. There's more than enough room to turn around at the end of the way. There's just not enough room to actually get to the end if there's a truck in the middle of the way.
In fact, had the truck not been almost directly in the middle, then there would be enough room for most other vehicles (including mine) to get around it.
Definition of entitledQuote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
having or showing a feeling of entitlement
the belief that one is deserving of benefits specified especially by law or contract
Your acknowledgment above was written before I defined the word "entitled", as I'm using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I agree that you were entitled. I accept that you felt entitled.
I was trying to establish that you felt entitled.
MDawg is most likely the one that snitched on redietz. It was easy to tell by the circumstances of redietz' first suspension that Shack took a disliking to him. Interpreting what redietz said is a stretch. But exactly what was the information Shack was given. Was he shown the post? Or did the snitch exaggerate the claim?
And did the snitch bundle the quote on gordo with another recent quote from redietz? You know, the one where red said that Shack's 1/2 point parley card strategy is "so weak it wouldn't even make Sportsbetting 101."
Anyone looking to sabotage redietz could do it with those two quotes together. It's guaranteed to send Shack into orbit since he didn't like redietz to begin with.
And now....Shack won't have to be humiliated on his own site by redietz publicly giving him some major clinic on sportsbetting.
Perhaps, as a day of reckoning, redietz should take Shack's sportsbetting strategy apart for everyone to see.
PS: MDawg is prime candidate to be the snitch.
As of right now... SIX Popular Contributors who posted recently are banned or Suspended or walked off.
1. Wellbush. Suspended and then nuked.
2. Redietz. Suspended and then nuked.
3. Billryan. Suspended.
4. Axelwolf. Suspended.
5. Kewlj. Walked off. Not surprising as he has and still does have problems with how WOV is run nowadays.
6. EvenBob. Walked off(This walk off is REALLY shocking as Evenbob was the Top Poster at WOV and seemed to enjoy being at WOV.
Wow, SIX recent Popular Contributors at WOV are at this very moment either completely gone or are technically gone. WOV REALLY played their cards right on this one and this isn't a -EV at all, not even a little bit.
Mickey, are you suggesting that Michael Shackleford, the self proclaimed "wizard" of Las Vegas is this insecure? Who would have thought? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Of course it was Mdawg. Well probably. I can think of a few others that could very well go tattletaling back to daddy Wizard, which is just the environment he encourages with his "reporting insults" nonsense. But what is really astonishing is Shackleford (I am boycotting the wizard title) frequently says, what is said on other forums is not considered. Well of course until it is. My favorite Shacky quote of all time is "While normally we don't consider things said on other forums.....I am banning KewlJ for something said on another forum".
Two problems with this other forums crap. 1) is there proof that it is the same person? How does anyone know the Redietz here, or even the Axelwolf here, or KewlJ here or mickeycrimm here is the same as at WoV? :D
Second thing is should any forum owner/administrator, be dictating and or punishing people for what is said or done off that forum? What next...going to tell people where they can worship, or drink or what clubs or organizations they can belong to?
It is funny, just in the last 4 days I was suspended at a forum for something I said on this forum. These guys seem to lose their minds with power. You run an internet forum for God sakes. THAT'S ALL!
Wellbush seemed about as "popular" / well-received at WOV as ants at a picnic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
I went over and read Shack's post about nuking redietz. Shack decided to drag me into the muck. That piece of shit.
Let the word go forth:
MICHAEL SHACKLEFORD IS A PUNK BITCH!!
A virtual visit or a in person visit? Don't do anything crazy, mickey. The guy is not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
That's fine. Don't park in the middle of roads, or access ways, and you won't have to worry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyDefinition of entitledQuote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
having or showing a feeling of entitlement
the belief that one is deserving of benefits specified especially by law or contract
Your acknowledgment above was written before I defined the word "entitled", as I'm using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I agree that you were entitled. I accept that you felt entitled.
I was trying to establish that you felt entitled.
I don't particularly care who, "Snitched," other than I will say that it wasn't me...and I don't even know that anyone did. It's also possible that Gordon knew about the comment (or was told) before Wizard did.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I would suggest that MDawg is a reasonable suspect due to the fact that he apparently snitched on FastEddie = Buzzpaff, which seems an odd thing to do, because (by his own admission) he never really interacted with Buzz. I obviously suspected that the two were one and the same ($10 pool game with $5 in your pocket), but I wouldn't snitch and it is not presently my job to do anything about it. I can't really see what possible benefit snitching on Buzz could have for MDawg and didn't care enough about his motivations to ask him---I'm actually kind of surprised that MDawg even knows who Buzzpaff is.
The game is out there...either play or get played.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Re: #1Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
I don't think, "Popular," is a word that you and I would use the same way. Wellbush is either a complete troll or a total idiot. I guess he posts at GF now? I have no desire to post on that site, but since you seem to post everywhere, you're free to tell Wellbush that I called him either a complete troll or total idiot and that he's welcome to come over here if he wants to address me directly.
Re: #2
I've already given my opinion.
Re: #3
I don't recall why.
Re: #4
I don't recall why and am pretty sure I didn't see the post.
Re: #5
KewlJ, "Quits," at least one forum every day. Just fucking with you, Kewl, but it's kind of true.
Re: #6
EB didn't really post about gambling that much, but he and I have privately settled our differences, so I'm sorry to see him go.
Anyway, getting rid of Wellbush was definitely +EV. No posts at all are better than Wellbush's posts.
Okay, let's address your objections:Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMickey, are you suggesting that Michael Shackleford, the self proclaimed "wizard" of Las Vegas is this insecure? Who would have thought? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Of course it was Mdawg. Well probably. I can think of a few others that could very well go tattletaling back to daddy Wizard, which is just the environment he encourages with his "reporting insults" nonsense. But what is really astonishing is Shackleford (I am boycotting the wizard title) frequently says, what is said on other forums is not considered. Well of course until it is. My favorite Shacky quote of all time is "While normally we don't consider things said on other forums.....I am banning KewlJ for something said on another forum".
Two problems with this other forums crap. 1) is there proof that it is the same person? How does anyone know the Redietz here, or even the Axelwolf here, or KewlJ here or mickeycrimm here is the same as at WoV? :D
Second thing is should any forum owner/administrator, be dictating and or punishing people for what is said or done off that forum? What next...going to tell people where they can worship, or drink or what clubs or organizations they can belong to?
It is funny, just in the last 4 days I was suspended at a forum for something I said on this forum. These guys seem to lose their minds with power. You run an internet forum for God sakes. THAT'S ALL!
1.) Redietz has always made very clear that he posts under his real name and has even posted his address somewhere before. Redietz has done this at every site that he has participated on and Redietz, on all three Forums, has acknowledged that he participates on the other two. For someone who takes so much pride in the fact that he does not use a handle, you would think that he'd be royally pissed off if he came to find that someone else was posting as him, and would go to the forum in which he was being imitated and say it wasn't him.
2.) You basically acknowledged everything that you said everything you said during the whole QFIT issue and repeated your complaints about Wizard, virtually verbatim, roughly 582,000 times.
3.) MickeyCrimm doesn't hide from anyone. If someone came on one of these boards and started posting as MickeyCrimm in a way that the real MC didn't like, he WOULD find them, you can count on that.
To address your second point, again, if you say something that can be construed as a threat to an employee of a place, then you are probably going to be banned from that place if they find out about it, whether you said it there or not.
Besides, why are you so worried about it? It's an Internet Forum for God sakes. THAT'S ALL!
Mickey is the virtual visit master, it won't be a public one. He had the opportunity for a face to face in Montana with " Tough Guy" Nightmarefish and declined. He should have also accepted an invitation, from Fat head know it all Sobchak and passed on that nimrod as well. Mickey is long overdue for a battle, after his recent full recovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJA virtual visit or a in person visit? Don't do anything crazy, mickey. The guy is not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I'm not worried about you Karens...I enjoy watching the meltdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Any videos of your meltdown?
Your cop neighbor probably has it, he's probably having a big laugh with it at your expense.
Ask your cop neighbor to share it with you...no hard feelings.
You can come see a meltdown of your own anytime you want to, son. Just say the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI'm not worried about you Karens...I enjoy watching the meltdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Any videos of your meltdown?
Your cop neighbor probably has it, he's probably having a big laugh with it at your expense.
Ask your cop neighbor to share it with you...no hard feelings.
You missed the whole point! Not sure if intentional or unintentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Okay, let's address your objections:Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMickey, are you suggesting that Michael Shackleford, the self proclaimed "wizard" of Las Vegas is this insecure? Who would have thought? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Of course it was Mdawg. Well probably. I can think of a few others that could very well go tattletaling back to daddy Wizard, which is just the environment he encourages with his "reporting insults" nonsense. But what is really astonishing is Shackleford (I am boycotting the wizard title) frequently says, what is said on other forums is not considered. Well of course until it is. My favorite Shacky quote of all time is "While normally we don't consider things said on other forums.....I am banning KewlJ for something said on another forum".
Two problems with this other forums crap. 1) is there proof that it is the same person? How does anyone know the Redietz here, or even the Axelwolf here, or KewlJ here or mickeycrimm here is the same as at WoV? :D
Second thing is should any forum owner/administrator, be dictating and or punishing people for what is said or done off that forum? What next...going to tell people where they can worship, or drink or what clubs or organizations they can belong to?
It is funny, just in the last 4 days I was suspended at a forum for something I said on this forum. These guys seem to lose their minds with power. You run an internet forum for God sakes. THAT'S ALL!
1.) Redietz has always made very clear that he posts under his real name and has even posted his address somewhere before. Redietz has done this at every site that he has participated on and Redietz, on all three Forums, has acknowledged that he participates on the other two. For someone who takes so much pride in the fact that he does not use a handle, you would think that he'd be royally pissed off if he came to find that someone else was posting as him, and would go to the forum in which he was being imitated and say it wasn't him.
2.) You basically acknowledged everything that you said everything you said during the whole QFIT issue and repeated your complaints about Wizard, virtually verbatim, roughly 582,000 times.
3.) MickeyCrimm doesn't hide from anyone. If someone came on one of these boards and started posting as MickeyCrimm in a way that the real MC didn't like, he WOULD find them, you can count on that.
To address your second point, again, if you say something that can be construed as a threat to an employee of a place, then you are probably going to be banned from that place if they find out about it, whether you said it there or not.
Besides, why are you so worried about it? It's an Internet Forum for God sakes. THAT'S ALL!
Shacklefords authority (for what it is) is limited to and ends at WoV.
While I am not questioning if any of these members are the same on different forums, although there is one I think might not be, Shackleford or any other forum administrator can't definitively prove that.
You're right; his authority does end at WoV, which is where he banned Redietz from. Wizard certainly cannot ban Redietz from VCT.
BUT he banned redietz for something SAID at VCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Just like he once banned me for something said at the now closed Zenzone. Is there anybody on this planet that believes Wizard ever visited or read anything at Zenzone, before he was directed there to read what I wrote? And why should anything I wrote at such a place be any concern of his. THAT is the whole point.
Well, that takes us back to square one. Square one is my statement that if someone says something that could be construed as a threat against an employee or volunteer of a place, regardless of where they said it, then it's understandable that they might choose to ban a person from that place.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBUT he banned redietz for something SAID at VCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Just like he once banned me for something said at the now closed Zenzone. Is there anybody on this planet that believes Wizard ever visited or read anything at Zenzone, before he was directed there to read what I wrote? And why should anything I wrote at such a place be any concern of his. THAT is the whole point.
For example, if I went over to WoV and started talking shit on Dan Druff and Dan Druff decided to ban me from here, then I wouldn't think that was unreasonable. Honestly, I just look at Forum Rules as existing to say, "You definitely risk getting banned if you do any of these things, but generally would not get banned otherwise." Everyone who posts at any message board can be removed simply because the owner or operator doesn't want them there---that's one of the perks of owning and/or operating things.
Where? Is that the magic word?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146