One has to admit this photo sums up Mike in multiple ways. Maybe he’s getting ready for Burning Man, what was his name again?
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One has to admit this photo sums up Mike in multiple ways. Maybe he’s getting ready for Burning Man, what was his name again?
I was just looking back at some PM's from Mike. In the final PM's before Mike banned me the first time he directed me to Gamblingforums, where he said there was already a long running thread attacking him, that I might enjoy. And his final thought to me at that time was:
"Finally, you go right ahead and say whatever you wish about me. I've already made plenty of vociferous enemies that I've banned and one more won't make a difference."
You might want to read that bolded part again....HE DIRECTED ME TO GAMBLINGFORUMS advising of a thread attacking him, and literally invited me to do the same. ;)
And now this weird demand that I apologize for something said there. I guess it DID make a difference. :D What an idiot! And yeah Boz, that ponytail completes the look....of an idiot.
I really don't care. I decided a year ago, after several suspensions for challenging Mdawgs BS, that I would never again try to contribute positively to WoV. And I haven't. I get suspended, I return and almost immediately still say what is on my mind and get suspended again. :D
Rekfast is convinced that the Martingale will work on VP. But naturally, instead of going and getting his life savings and running to the nearest casino, he gets online and tries to convince everyone else.
To Rekfast....just go win the money and stop trying to "help" others! :cool:
You misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
In inviting you to post flames against him there he's making it clear you'll be banned: " I've already made plenty of vociferous enemies that I've banned and one more won't make a difference."
Think about it; if some guy you know says bad things about you in public would you invite him to Sunday dinner?
I suspect you caught his drift but just let your emotions get carried away, and you lost.
MrV, should Mike invite me to his house for Sunday dinner and I accepted, I would be on my best behavior as I would as a guest in anyone's home. But it is complete bullshit that WoV is Mike's home and should be treated as such. WoV is a gambling forum. And I have every right to call out complete BS that I feel is harmful to other members, as I have done with Mdawg and Singer (here). I also have a right to express my opinion that Shackleford protecting Mdawg and suspending anyone that Mdawg cries to him about, makes Shackleford complicit in these claims that are BS and can harm others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Now since I am addressing this, I want to go back a few posts and address Tasha. I don't really care what he/she is tired of. I have been tired of him/her for quite a while. But I did take interest in the term "feud". I don't consider that I am feuding with Mdawg. I just don't like his misleading claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works. There are several members at WoV that have stated they have tried to emulate his play and surely even more that have not stated so publicly.
His play as he describes it is not winning play, not +EV, although it is possible if he is getting some kind of major concessions like a rebate, it could approach +EV. BUT that wouldn't come close to explaining the winning of 95% of his sessions. So far he explains it with "betting into streaks". THAT is complete voodoo nonsense. And for Wizard to allow and protect him, is the same as Wizard himself stating that very nonsense.
Recently here, we have seen a number of people challenge me and my claims. Some long-time "enemies" like Singer and coach belly. Some newer people showing up like Seedvalue. And even accountinquestion who seems to have flipped against me recently. The problem is that most of these people, their real issue isn't my blackjack play or claims. It is much more of a personal nature. That becomes obvious very quickly.
But anyone that wants to question or challenge anything I do or have said, I will gladly indulge and try to explain as much as I can without harming myself. I did this with Blackhole a year ago. And am happy to do so again, if anyone has serious questions about what I do or claim. But I don't really see a lot of serious, legit questions. I just see personal attacks.
So based on the word "feud" that Tasha used and I don't believe is my intent, today at GF, I challenged Mdawg, to a respectful, no name calling discussion of his claims based on the math and how Las Vegas works, instead of him just running and crying to Wizard anytime anyone (not just me) raises a question he can't answer.
His response? well you can read for yourself, but it was just more trolling and name calling and quotes taken out of context and all that trolling stuff. I mean if he really is who he says, and I am not talking about his name or if he is a lawyer, or wealthy or any of that, I am talking about his gambling claims, and if he is doing what he claims, why not take the opportunity to explain to people that have doubts? Answer of course is because there is no real explanation. So any time anyone raises a legitimate concern or question, he cries to Wizard, and runs to another forum where he name calls and lies about that person.
So I don't know about a "feud", but given the chance to explain and answer any concerns, questions and challenges, he opts for anything but that.
Oh and as for Rekfast at WoV, I still think it is Singer. I know there are many (losing) player that have embraced that martingale / progressive wagering as a winning system, so that alone doesn't scream Singer, but the timing and the way he writes, and when I mentioned Singer, he had nothing but praise for him, that all leads me to believe it is Singer filling his need.
Now here is a question for everyone. What if I or anyone else that has presented themselves as a winning player for some period of time, were to suddenly announce that we had made all that up and were lying? My guess is they would no longer be welcome at WoV. What does everyone else think? :confused:
So last October after several years of his BS claims and 7 months into a trip in which he claimed wins almost every day, including 50 of 52 days, wins for the 7 months that totaled more than five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000), Mdawg posted this single line at the bottom of a long post: "additionally, Wizard and I went over my play for the last 7 months and I am about even". Seven months and $500 thousand dollars of winning and BS claims, disappeared in one sentence. And you know what Wizards response was? he praised Mdawg for his honesty. :confused:
THAT right there should tell anyone whether Mr. Ponytail is now part of this long running Mdawg scam. :D
The only claims of yours that I challenge are the lies that you write about other forum members.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Just like Seedvalue, I'm your enemy because you posted lies about me, and continued posting the same lies even after apologizing.
No, you actually do NOT have that right. Same as on Twitter, FB or anywhere else. It's private property.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMrV, should Mike invite me to his house for Sunday dinner and I accepted, I would be on my best behavior as I would as a guest in anyone's home. But it is complete bullshit that WoV is Mike's home and should be treated as such. WoV is a gambling forum. And I have every right to call out complete BS that I feel is harmful to other members, as I have done with Mdawg and Singer (here). I also have a right to express my opinion that Shackleford protecting Mdawg and suspending anyone that Mdawg cries to him about, makes Shackleford complicit in these claims that are BS and can harm others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Now since I am addressing this, I want to go back a few posts and address Tasha. I don't really care what he/she is tired of. I have been tired of him/her for quite a while. But I did take interest in the term "feud". I don't consider that I am feuding with Mdawg. I just don't like his misleading claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works. There are several members at WoV that have stated they have tried to emulate his play and surely even more that have not stated so publicly.
His play as he describes it is not winning play, not +EV, although it is possible if he is getting some kind of major concessions like a rebate, it could approach +EV. BUT that wouldn't come close to explaining the winning of 95% of his sessions. So far he explains it with "betting into streaks". THAT is complete voodoo nonsense. And for Wizard to allow and protect him, is the same as Wizard himself stating that very nonsense.
Recently here, we have seen a number of people challenge me and my claims. Some long-time "enemies" like Singer and coach belly. Some newer people showing up like Seedvalue. And even accountinquestion who seems to have flipped against me recently. The problem is that most of these people, their real issue isn't my blackjack play or claims. It is much more of a personal nature. That becomes obvious very quickly.
But anyone that wants to question or challenge anything I do or have said, I will gladly indulge and try to explain as much as I can without harming myself. I did this with Blackhole a year ago. And am happy to do so again, if anyone has serious questions about what I do or claim. But I don't really see a lot of serious, legit questions. I just see personal attacks.
So based on the word "feud" that Tasha used and I don't believe is my intent, today at GF, I challenged Mdawg, to a respectful, no name calling discussion of his claims based on the math and how Las Vegas works, instead of him just running and crying to Wizard anytime anyone (not just me) raises a question he can't answer.
His response? well you can read for yourself, but it was just more trolling and name calling and quotes taken out of context and all that trolling stuff. I mean if he really is who he says, and I am not talking about his name or if he is a lawyer, or wealthy or any of that, I am talking about his gambling claims, and if he is doing what he claims, why not take the opportunity to explain to people that have doubts? Answer of course is because there is no real explanation. So any time anyone raises a legitimate concern or question, he cries to Wizard, and runs to another forum where he name calls and lies about that person.
So I don't know about a "feud", but given the chance to explain and answer any concerns, questions and challenges, he opts for anything but that.
Looks like too much sun. Somebody get Shackleford some SPF50. That sun will age you like a bitch if you allow it.
I was wondering that myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You really don’t understand what the “private” part of private messages mean, do you? You be disclosing them shits on the regular.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You don’t make a living playing blackjack tho. That the problem I have with you. Instead of just coming clean and saying you have sugar daddies some that like you others you have extorted you keep up the charade. As far as being doxed I had a hustler dox one of my top guys and think it was me. What was funny about this situation is he just ended up getting his entire crew thrown out. Because my guy just set up shop with a bunch of Middle Aged women and ran cards until there was so much heat everyone got tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMrV, should Mike invite me to his house for Sunday dinner and I accepted, I would be on my best behavior as I would as a guest in anyone's home. But it is complete bullshit that WoV is Mike's home and should be treated as such. WoV is a gambling forum. And I have every right to call out complete BS that I feel is harmful to other members, as I have done with Mdawg and Singer (here). I also have a right to express my opinion that Shackleford protecting Mdawg and suspending anyone that Mdawg cries to him about, makes Shackleford complicit in these claims that are BS and can harm others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Now since I am addressing this, I want to go back a few posts and address Tasha. I don't really care what he/she is tired of. I have been tired of him/her for quite a while. But I did take interest in the term "feud". I don't consider that I am feuding with Mdawg. I just don't like his misleading claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works. There are several members at WoV that have stated they have tried to emulate his play and surely even more that have not stated so publicly.
His play as he describes it is not winning play, not +EV, although it is possible if he is getting some kind of major concessions like a rebate, it could approach +EV. BUT that wouldn't come close to explaining the winning of 95% of his sessions. So far he explains it with "betting into streaks". THAT is complete voodoo nonsense. And for Wizard to allow and protect him, is the same as Wizard himself stating that very nonsense.
Recently here, we have seen a number of people challenge me and my claims. Some long-time "enemies" like Singer and coach belly. Some newer people showing up like Seedvalue. And even accountinquestion who seems to have flipped against me recently. The problem is that most of these people, their real issue isn't my blackjack play or claims. It is much more of a personal nature. That becomes obvious very quickly.
But anyone that wants to question or challenge anything I do or have said, I will gladly indulge and try to explain as much as I can without harming myself. I did this with Blackhole a year ago. And am happy to do so again, if anyone has serious questions about what I do or claim. But I don't really see a lot of serious, legit questions. I just see personal attacks.
So based on the word "feud" that Tasha used and I don't believe is my intent, today at GF, I challenged Mdawg, to a respectful, no name calling discussion of his claims based on the math and how Las Vegas works, instead of him just running and crying to Wizard anytime anyone (not just me) raises a question he can't answer.
His response? well you can read for yourself, but it was just more trolling and name calling and quotes taken out of context and all that trolling stuff. I mean if he really is who he says, and I am not talking about his name or if he is a lawyer, or wealthy or any of that, I am talking about his gambling claims, and if he is doing what he claims, why not take the opportunity to explain to people that have doubts? Answer of course is because there is no real explanation. So any time anyone raises a legitimate concern or question, he cries to Wizard, and runs to another forum where he name calls and lies about that person.
So I don't know about a "feud", but given the chance to explain and answer any concerns, questions and challenges, he opts for anything but that.
I've given KJ shit over a bunch of things, but as for his blackjack play, he's completely legitimate.
Thank you, jbjb. I see no reason to even respond to this guy's complete nonsense anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
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Originally Posted by kewlJThank you, jbjb. I see no reason to even respond to this guy's complete nonsense anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
There’s no proof tho. But there’s financial proof and real life testimony of what I have said.
Jbjb could just be another sock of gunplay or a lover.
Financial records of Jason show he does not make enough money gambling to support his claims.
You guys can tell all the stories you want on here. It’s fine some people need to do this to get through life. But the fact is the financial history of gunplay/ Jason does not back up his story. Carry on tho in your fantasy world
I'm neither of the above. And I don't care about your feud with him. And if anyone hasn't provided any "proof" about their play, its Sid, err, Seed.
O but I haveQuote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
For example I can create 90k in free play on two cards at will on a play that’s +ev outright. And I have a big enough dick and balls to run the the play every day because I don’t give a fuck about getting kicked out.
Gun play doesn’t make what he says. If you want to bet escrow 100k I will do it first if there’s a 10k penalty if you back out that I can do what I just said bitch. Bring your gay buddy along to suck you off after you pay me.
You dumb fucks think everyone is rob but in reality the only one who’s worse then rob is kew.
If you can’t bet stfu
That's Great but I require more stories of impregnating White Women to save the White Race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Please and Thank You!
I wish I would of had this information 30 years ago as I could of really helped out.
1 = 1000 but 2 = 10,000 ... Fact!
You still back east going for $750 a day offers ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
He spreads his seed with wild abandon yet none of it seems to stick?
What, is he shooting blanks?
The only game in life that "matters" is to reproduce and nurture your offspring through adulthood.
My guess is that 99.99% of his "seed" is aimed at his computer screen.
Grow up, Little Man.
Unlike rob I would instantly escrow the money for any bet regarding what I make with Todd. Provided you loser fucks put up a ten percent of what I escrow to be paid when you back the fuck out. Fake ass lawyer a fake ass blackjack player with pussy jb sucking them both offQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Bottom line is Jason/ kewj is fake. He’s a drama queer board fuck
If I seen him in real life I would sew his mouth shut with my asshole hair so when I was fucking him no one could hear him scream
My, such a colorful fantasy; OK no more fecal painting for you, back in to your fake ass play pen and NO MORE SUGAR!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Okay, for the record, I have zero issues with anything kewlJ has posted regarding blackjack, living in Las Vegas, and gambling in general.
Having said that, I was eating my red beans and rice from Popeye's, read Seed's last line, and choked up a wad of beans and rice onto my keyboard.
You guys are absolutely terrible. I know Keystone and Seed are not fans of each other, but the potential for a reboot of The Man Show is here at VCT. Raunchier, uglier, and funnier than the original.
My first reaction was to take seedvalue up on his 100k wager
BUT, these wagers NEVER come to fruition, so there is probably no way to win. Just a further exercise on wasting time.
Whatever info seedvalue has or thinks he has probably came from Mdawg, but if he is seriously claiming to have financial records that I don't make what I claim, he is just bullshitting or has info on the wrong person.
But really statements like he made about "sewing my mouth shut with his ass hairs", just proves he is a completely deranged Mfer and removes any possibility that I would seriously deal with him. It is just more of the crazy talk that VCT has become synonymous with.
I mostly ignore you too because you too, as most here have proven to be nuts, but I will answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby
What is this crap about supporters? I am not looking for supporters? What would they be supporting? :confused:
If you substituted "supporters" for people that know who and what I am, which is exactly what I have portrayed myself, well then you are wrong as usual and further showing what a real dimwit you are. Most members of this or any forum that I participate on, know that. Well let me re-phrase that....most real players (excluding the trolls and game players) know that.
You seem to be substituting popularity (which I could care less about) with credibility.
What is it you think Garnabby, that I am a male proustite as seedvalue absurdly claims? No wonder you sit here babbling numbers and other incoherent ramblings to yourself.
Speaking of these bets that will never happen, I can’t believe anyone would escrow a large amount of money with a professional poker player.
I see you deleted it but I no longer identify as a toaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby
You really do love it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby
You contribute plenty.
Keep up the good work!
lol... Garnabby deleting posts again.
Are you worried that someone will quote you?
Nobody cares to quote you except for me.
It's nice that you feel bad for Solar Boy.
William Yung and I have secret invisible conversations on this forum.
Poker players are easy to find. As long as it's not enough that they would jump on a cruise ship to the Caribbean I don't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The only thing I would worry about with Dan is the fact that he is vaxxed up, boosted, and who knows what else. I might want a sudden death protocol.
I knew Little Seed was a transvestiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Probably has TWO boosters. RIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenPoker players are easy to find. As long as it's not enough that they would jump on a cruise ship to the Caribbean I don't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The only thing I would worry about with Dan is the fact that he is vaxxed up, boosted, and who knows what else. I might want a sudden death protocol.
Kind of an interesting development over at WoV. For those that don't read that forum, a little recap, because this intriguing. The Mdawg thread draws very little interest and comments except from Mdawg himself with his daily reports. So Mdawg escalated, as these guys always do to generate more attention. (think Singer). Mdawg reported a loss of nearly quarter of a million dollars the other day (one day play). That generated the attention he was hoping for as a number of players weighed in skeptical.
The one person that weighed in that I found interesting is Shackleford, who wanted to know how Mdawg would go about verifying this should someone accept the challenge that is included with every Mdawg post.
So is Shackleford finally about to challenge Mdawg's claims. I mean a quarter million dollar loss in one session ought to be able to be fairly easily verified right? Or as I suspect, does Shackleford see an opportunity for another payday, hoping Mdawg will pay him yet again, to back away, keep quiet and not pursue any challenge?
If I were a betting man.....:rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenPoker players are easy to find. As long as it's not enough that they would jump on a cruise ship to the Caribbean I don't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The only thing I would worry about with Dan is the fact that he is vaxxed up, boosted, and who knows what else. I might want a sudden death protocol.
According to the latest study, from Harvard I believe, after six months, having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection.
After about two weeks, boosters go to zero efficacy against the three new strains.
So yeah, time to get insurance if you're relying on boosters.
Please give a reference to this Harvard study. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenPoker players are easy to find. As long as it's not enough that they would jump on a cruise ship to the Caribbean I don't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The only thing I would worry about with Dan is the fact that he is vaxxed up, boosted, and who knows what else. I might want a sudden death protocol.
According to the latest study, from Harvard I believe, after six months, having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection.
After about two weeks, boosters go to zero efficacy against the three new strains.
So yeah, time to get insurance if you're relying on boosters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionPlease give a reference to this Harvard study. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
According to the latest study, from Harvard I believe, after six months, having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection.
After about two weeks, boosters go to zero efficacy against the three new strains.
So yeah, time to get insurance if you're relying on boosters.
It was a letter from Harvard researchers to the New England Journal of Medicine, published a couple of days ago. The title is "Neutralization Escape by SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Subvariants BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5"
The phrase "Neutralization Escape" essentially means that the virus has escaped vaccine effects. If I read this correctly, although the numbers studied were small, every subject demonstrated the same effect, or in this case, lack of vaccine effect.
Let me track down a lecture from a guy who does daily lectures on this stuff.
I'm of the french-fry-first generation, and I suddenly find myself taking you seriously.
What does this mean?
Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
1) The boosters are of zero help after two weeks. One of the main problems is that people engage in more risky behaviors after having been double vaxxed and boosted, so that these people are actually likely to show a negative vaccine effect in the future. In other words, they may be more likely to get infected than the unvaxxed because their behaviors have been riskier.
2) If people have taken vaccines and boosters, and the vaccines level out at zero efficacy at some point (a couple of weeks for boosters), then the people who have taken the vaccines and boosters have absorbed all of the risks of the vaccines and boosters sans any real benefits. Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues.
I found it. Here's a lecture that sums up the letter from Harvard and some other studies and tries to tie the stuff together in some kind of overall context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npQ1X0C3R8w&t=1801s
Your original statement "having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection." is not true. I read the study and I didn't see this. Yes, booster/vaccine is far far less useful against most of the new variants but never do they say 0. I also don't see anywhere they talk of a negative. Perhaps you are right in that it alters behavior but people who avoided the vaccine seem to not be particularly scared of the virus so color me skeptical on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm not aware of vaccines having any longterm health issues. Yes, some people apparently get really sick when they get it but I have not heard of a vaccine causing longterm effects although I'm sure some people died from their reaction. There seems to be a ton of misinterpretation and speculation on your part AFAIK.
Anyway I said I wasn't going to post and I mean that. The problem here is that SO MANY of the posters on this forum go to redietz for their news. I felt the need to push this issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GarnabbyDoesn't it take about two weeks for the vaccines to begin to work, in the first place? And, the boosters more so to cut the level of severity of such infection in older persons?
What people do or not do doesn't change the efficacy of the vaccines, themselves.
Illogical.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
How people behave changes the likelihood of infection. I didn't say it had anything to do with vaccine efficacy. I was replying to the question of why folks with boosters needed to go get insurance, which was a sarcastic but not inaccurate supposition.
You had best catch up on how and why people were defined as "unvaccinated" for the first two weeks after they had been vaccinated. There appears to be a general immunological issue in the first weeks after vaccine -- possibly a kind of immunosuppressive effect. Pfizer managed to wrangle those first two weeks post-vaccination as being defined as "unvaccinated." Pfizer didn't do that by accident.
Glad you label something logical as illogical. It enables me to end this discussion without feeling any sense of guilt that I'm not communicating clearly.
But please let us know what you think of the Dr. Been video.
Is “loss” a typo?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
MDAWG has it as +226k
Or are you just trolling him? lol
It's like any other Flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Catch it.
Sick for 4 days.
Business as usual.
The more times you catch it, the better.
How bout answering the burger question, pal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby
Good God, did I write "loss"? And looks like not once but twice. Tells you what I was really thinking about his "big" session result. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Even with my mistake, writing it on the fly, everyone knows the guys ONLY wins so hopefully everyone recognized my mistake. Or was it a mistake? :confused:
Burgers and fries are a tasty combination. Sometimes I eat some of the fries first and other times I eat some of the burger first. I never place the fries on the burger - I believe it is not uncommon to put the fries on the burger in Pittsburgh. A side of onion rings and a hamburger is also a great combination but this is out of scope.
I had a tasty burger meal with fries and soda for $7.36. A similar meal cost me about $14 at a competing restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
What’s your order of operations for eating your burger and fries? Fries first, burger first, or back and forth? And do you put fries on top of the burger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI had a tasty burger meal with fries and soda for $7.36. A similar meal cost me about $14 at a competing restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Btw, if you’re making a cheeseburger yourself I like to put the cheese in the middle of the burger patty and cook it on the inside. Ooey gooey deliciousness.
I would recommend to expand your horizons. If you haven't been aware of long term effects, you haven't been looking, frankly. It's not like these were my preferred directions -- I'm a child of moon landings and fervent optimism regarding science. I suggest as starting points the essay published in the British Medical Journal a few months back regarding the lack of evidence-based medicine and the corrosion of the entire clinical trial process. The BMJ is quite conservative and the oldest of the medical journals. Also, Phil Harper's substack writings regarding the Pfizer documents that a Texas court forced Pfizer to release. Pfizer wanted to sit on them for, get this, 75 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionYour original statement "having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection." is not true. I read the study and I didn't see this. Yes, booster/vaccine is far far less useful against most of the new variants but never do they say 0. I also don't see anywhere they talk of a negative. Perhaps you are right in that it alters behavior but people who avoided the vaccine seem to not be particularly scared of the virus so color me skeptical on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm not aware of vaccines having any longterm health issues. Yes, some people apparently get really sick when they get it but I have not heard of a vaccine causing longterm effects although I'm sure some people died from their reaction. There seems to be a ton of misinterpretation and speculation on your part AFAIK.
Anyway I said I wasn't going to post and I mean that. The problem here is that SO MANY of the posters on this forum go to redietz for their news. I felt the need to push this issue.
If you watch the Been lecture, you'll early on get to the explanation of the zero efficacy points.
FYI -- the Phase 3 trials for the Pfizer vaccine should be completed sometime in early 2024. That is not a typo.
DIY smashburger.
yum
$7.36 is fairly reasonable in today's highly inflationary environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI had a tasty burger meal with fries and soda for $7.36. A similar meal cost me about $14 at a competing restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I'm fairly certain there are not that many longterm side-effects. The heart-inflamation thing is not going on longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzI would recommend to expand your horizons. If you haven't been aware of long term effects, you haven't been looking, frankly. It's not like these were my preferred directions -- I'm a child of moon landings and fervent optimism regarding science. I suggest as starting points the essay published in the British Medical Journal a few months back regarding the lack of evidence-based medicine and the corrosion of the entire clinical trial process. The BMJ is quite conservative and the oldest of the medical journals. Also, Phil Harper's substack writings regarding the Pfizer documents that a Texas court forced Pfizer to release. Pfizer wanted to sit on them for, get this, 75 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionYour original statement "having gotten two shots is actually a negative against the latest three strains. There is, at best, no protection." is not true. I read the study and I didn't see this. Yes, booster/vaccine is far far less useful against most of the new variants but never do they say 0. I also don't see anywhere they talk of a negative. Perhaps you are right in that it alters behavior but people who avoided the vaccine seem to not be particularly scared of the virus so color me skeptical on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm not aware of vaccines having any longterm health issues. Yes, some people apparently get really sick when they get it but I have not heard of a vaccine causing longterm effects although I'm sure some people died from their reaction. There seems to be a ton of misinterpretation and speculation on your part AFAIK.
Anyway I said I wasn't going to post and I mean that. The problem here is that SO MANY of the posters on this forum go to redietz for their news. I felt the need to push this issue.
If you watch the Been lecture, you'll early on get to the explanation of the zero efficacy points.
FYI -- the Phase 3 trials for the Pfizer vaccine should be completed sometime in early 2024. That is not a typo.
You really put a lot of effort jumping around .. I wish I knew the types of invalid arguments but this "you need to expands your horizons" won't cut it. Almost all side-effects are over within 2 months and if they aren't, please tell me about them.
"Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues." you said. oookay. I mean this statement isn't exactly not true but it is near meaningless.
THe vaccines have been used for quite some time now and I have yet to hear about all these longterm effects we were warned of by the anti-vaxxers.
Yes I can expand my horizons to nonsense and find an opposing view but I fail to see value in that approach.
Pfizer not wanting to release info is not anything surprising. That is standard operating procedure. All it would do it help them be sued. I believe they were given government money and such so we could argue that this should be an exception but it does *not* point to anything nefarious.
I'm also not sure what you're getting at about clinical trials and trying to tie it in. Yes, they have many issues but that doesn't mean they always have issues. Nor do this lack of a full trial point to anything either. It was clear that such an exception was needed.
People seem to confuse the side-effects we've had over the years from meds for chronic disease and make that directly comparable to the vaccines. These few time shots that (from my understanding) are just proteins aren't near as bad. They're not really actively doing anything but existing for the body to respond to and destroy. My guess is that most drugs that we've learned had side-effects (with hindsight) may have had those side-effects go unnoticed if the victims only took these drugs 3 times.
Welp we'll see in a few years when we all drop off from cancer.
Due to salt restricted diet I no longer eat french fries. I also have a refrigerator in my van so buy 40 packs of bottled water at Walmart. Works out to about 13 cents a bottle. When I go thru a fast food line I'm no longer buying the combo meals. I just get the burger and grab a bottle of water out of the refrigerator. Then I throw the bun away. You wouldn't believe how much salt is in bread. A hamburger bun can have over 500 milligrams of salt in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I get off pretty cheap at those fast food joints these days.
Sounds like a smart move Mickey. I should probably cut back myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDue to salt restricted diet I no longer eat french fries. I also have a refrigerator in my van so buy 40 packs of bottled water at Walmart. Works out to about 13 cents a bottle. When I go thru a fast food line I'm no longer buying the combo meals. I just get the burger and grab a bottle of water out of the refrigerator. Then I throw the bun away. You wouldn't believe how much salt is in bread. A hamburger bun can have over 500 milligrams of salt in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I get off pretty cheap at those fast food joints these days.
You need to find an In 'n Out Burger place. Order the protein burger. Instead of the bun, they wrap it in lettuce.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDue to salt restricted diet I no longer eat french fries. I also have a refrigerator in my van so buy 40 packs of bottled water at Walmart. Works out to about 13 cents a bottle. When I go thru a fast food line I'm no longer buying the combo meals. I just get the burger and grab a bottle of water out of the refrigerator. Then I throw the bun away. You wouldn't believe how much salt is in bread. A hamburger bun can have over 500 milligrams of salt in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I get off pretty cheap at those fast food joints these days.
Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm fairly certain there are not that many longterm side-effects. The heart-inflamation thing is not going on longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzI would recommend to expand your horizons. If you haven't been aware of long term effects, you haven't been looking, frankly. It's not like these were my preferred directions -- I'm a child of moon landings and fervent optimism regarding science. I suggest as starting points the essay published in the British Medical Journal a few months back regarding the lack of evidence-based medicine and the corrosion of the entire clinical trial process. The BMJ is quite conservative and the oldest of the medical journals. Also, Phil Harper's substack writings regarding the Pfizer documents that a Texas court forced Pfizer to release. Pfizer wanted to sit on them for, get this, 75 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
If you watch the Been lecture, you'll early on get to the explanation of the zero efficacy points.
FYI -- the Phase 3 trials for the Pfizer vaccine should be completed sometime in early 2024. That is not a typo.
You really put a lot of effort jumping around .. I wish I knew the types of invalid arguments but this "you need to expands your horizons" won't cut it. Almost all side-effects are over within 2 months and if they aren't, please tell me about them.
"Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues." you said. oookay. I mean this statement isn't exactly not true but it is near meaningless.
THe vaccines have been used for quite some time now and I have yet to hear about all these longterm effects we were warned of by the anti-vaxxers.
Yes I can expand my horizons to nonsense and find an opposing view but I fail to see value in that approach.
Pfizer not wanting to release info is not anything surprising. That is standard operating procedure. All it would do it help them be sued. I believe they were given government money and such so we could argue that this should be an exception but it does *not* point to anything nefarious.
I'm also not sure what you're getting at about clinical trials and trying to tie it in. Yes, they have many issues but that doesn't mean they always have issues. Nor do this lack of a full trial point to anything either. It was clear that such an exception was needed.
People seem to confuse the side-effects we've had over the years from meds for chronic disease and make that directly comparable to the vaccines. These few time shots that (from my understanding) are just proteins aren't near as bad. They're not really actively doing anything but existing for the body to respond to and destroy. My guess is that most drugs that we've learned had side-effects (with hindsight) may have had those side-effects go unnoticed if the victims only took these drugs 3 times.
Welp we'll see in a few years when we all drop off from cancer.
Well, here's the questions. Have you read the BMJ essay regarding lack of evidence based medicine in modern clinical trial processes? Have you read the Phil Harper Ivermectin series on substack? Have you actually read the reports on forums, on YouTube, of people with long term vaccine injuries?
Because if you haven't done those things, and spent serious time with them, what's the point of my responding in any way? There are literally dozens of people who have real expertise whose reporting is available if you want to find it. I'm just doing a summary from a professional gambling perspective and from the perspective of someone who has a good sense of how propaganda is usually structured. The following are just easily available -- they aren't particularly damning. What bothers me isn't that the occasional end of the bell curve vaccine injury is happening. It's that there is almost no mainstream reporting of those injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvssp9uA72A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSn9hEYPis&t=760s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM&t=11s
There are dozens of these kinds of critiques out there -- I tried to find one Been interview that was the best I'd seen because the injured person had a biology doctorate and was walking us through how impossible it was to get medical coverage for her injuries. She patiently went through the identification of injury process, spending a lot of money, and was a terrific interview. I couldn't find it immediately, however, as I am not a Been subscriber.
The majority of the heart issues "resolve," but they resolve with scarring, which means from an immediate basic functional perspective, all is usually well from a superficial won't-die-today perspective after a couple of months. But the scarring is there months and months later and may be permanent. So it affects people long-term.
One of the disturbing, propaganda type things regarding the vaccine-injured that Been interviews -- these people are clearly still damaged, but as participants in the government study, they have been cleared and labeled as "recovered and cured."
If you haven't looked into these things, I don't blame you. I'd prefer to not have learned this stuff. But my preferences take a back seat to reality recognition.
A lot of this comes back to laziness. If answers matter, then doing a two-page google search of "vaccine injuries" isn't going to cut it. But if that's what you think research is, then you learn what you deserve.
This is clownish. The vaccine also does heart scarring but covid also does it. This is not some side-effect specific to the vaccine. It also happens with people infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm fairly certain there are not that many longterm side-effects. The heart-inflamation thing is not going on longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You really put a lot of effort jumping around .. I wish I knew the types of invalid arguments but this "you need to expands your horizons" won't cut it. Almost all side-effects are over within 2 months and if they aren't, please tell me about them.
"Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues." you said. oookay. I mean this statement isn't exactly not true but it is near meaningless.
THe vaccines have been used for quite some time now and I have yet to hear about all these longterm effects we were warned of by the anti-vaxxers.
Yes I can expand my horizons to nonsense and find an opposing view but I fail to see value in that approach.
Pfizer not wanting to release info is not anything surprising. That is standard operating procedure. All it would do it help them be sued. I believe they were given government money and such so we could argue that this should be an exception but it does *not* point to anything nefarious.
I'm also not sure what you're getting at about clinical trials and trying to tie it in. Yes, they have many issues but that doesn't mean they always have issues. Nor do this lack of a full trial point to anything either. It was clear that such an exception was needed.
People seem to confuse the side-effects we've had over the years from meds for chronic disease and make that directly comparable to the vaccines. These few time shots that (from my understanding) are just proteins aren't near as bad. They're not really actively doing anything but existing for the body to respond to and destroy. My guess is that most drugs that we've learned had side-effects (with hindsight) may have had those side-effects go unnoticed if the victims only took these drugs 3 times.
Welp we'll see in a few years when we all drop off from cancer.
Well, here's the questions. Have you read the BMJ essay regarding lack of evidence based medicine in modern clinical trial processes? Have you read the Phil Harper Ivermectin series on substack? Have you actually read the reports on forums, on YouTube, of people with long term vaccine injuries?
Because if you haven't done those things, and spent serious time with them, what's the point of my responding in any way? There are literally dozens of people who have real expertise whose reporting is available if you want to find it. I'm just doing a summary from a professional gambling perspective and from the perspective of someone who has a good sense of how propaganda is usually structured. The following are just easily available -- they aren't particularly damning. What bothers me isn't that the occasional end of the bell curve vaccine injury is happening. It's that there is almost no mainstream reporting of those injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvssp9uA72A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSn9hEYPis&t=760s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM&t=11s
There are dozens of these kinds of critiques out there -- I tried to find one Been interview that was the best I'd seen because the injured person had a biology doctorate and was walking us through how impossible it was to get medical coverage for her injuries. She patiently went through the identification of injury process, spending a lot of money, and was a terrific interview. I couldn't find it immediately, however, as I am not a Been subscriber.
The majority of the heart issues "resolve," but they resolve with scarring, which means from an immediate basic functional perspective, all is usually well from a superficial won't-die-today perspective after a couple of months. But the scarring is there months and months later and may be permanent. So it affects people long-term.
One of the disturbing, propaganda type things regarding the vaccine-injured that Been interviews -- these people are clearly still damaged, but as participants in the government study, they have been cleared and labeled as "recovered and cured."
If you haven't looked into these things, I don't blame you. I'd prefer to not have learned this stuff. But my preferences take a back seat to reality recognition.
A lot of this comes back to laziness. If answers matter, then doing a two-page google search of "vaccine injuries" isn't going to cut it. But if that's what you think research is, then you learn what you deserve.
All that talk and you can't really come up with much about these longterm health effects.Instead you blast a bunch of studies that I'm not about to read. I've read plenty too. THe last time I read the journal article you referenced. I went to the original source (not youtube) and found out your conclusions were basically wrong but in the vicinity of being true. You just skipped over and blast at me more journal articles on ivermectin. I have no clue how that would be relevant and I'm not about to waste my time given your misinterpretation of the original study that started this. Fool me once shame on you ....
Seriously gtfo with your nonsense. You know how propaganda is structured !!!! Just more irrelevant back patting bullshit.
Ok, maybe heart inflammation is an issue of long-term consequence but it usurps your original point - People who took vaccune are taking on longterm effects with no benefit. The fact is the heart inflammation thing happens with covid also. So it kinda undermines your point that this is some extra danger taken on by the vaccine and you've yet to show me anything showing these longterm effects. Even if mainstream media is avoiding it or whatever, there should be something out there that goes into detail. There should be something mainstream media can reference and not shit like "bobby's aunt dianne was 71 and totally fine until she got the vaccine. Bobby, can you tell us about your aunt?"
If you are going to sincerely critique media then you need to specifically show that they're not covering. News has to have sources. So show me the sources.
DrBeen seems reasonable from what little I listened but the balding guy with glasses in youtube video #3 is a pandering grifter from what I recall. Good luck with that,
If you haven't figured it out I'm not waiting for "mainstream media" to cover these things, I want *you* to show me what they're not covering and not just say "well doing google searches ain't enough". What utter rubbish. There are many other phds etc who have been studying this and thats what you need to reference. I'm sure there is some stuff out there somewhere.
This is clownish. The vaccine also does heart scarring but covid also does it. This is not some side-effect specific to the vaccine. It also happens with people infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm fairly certain there are not that many longterm side-effects. The heart-inflamation thing is not going on longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You really put a lot of effort jumping around .. I wish I knew the types of invalid arguments but this "you need to expands your horizons" won't cut it. Almost all side-effects are over within 2 months and if they aren't, please tell me about them.
"Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues." you said. oookay. I mean this statement isn't exactly not true but it is near meaningless.
THe vaccines have been used for quite some time now and I have yet to hear about all these longterm effects we were warned of by the anti-vaxxers.
Yes I can expand my horizons to nonsense and find an opposing view but I fail to see value in that approach.
Pfizer not wanting to release info is not anything surprising. That is standard operating procedure. All it would do it help them be sued. I believe they were given government money and such so we could argue that this should be an exception but it does *not* point to anything nefarious.
I'm also not sure what you're getting at about clinical trials and trying to tie it in. Yes, they have many issues but that doesn't mean they always have issues. Nor do this lack of a full trial point to anything either. It was clear that such an exception was needed.
People seem to confuse the side-effects we've had over the years from meds for chronic disease and make that directly comparable to the vaccines. These few time shots that (from my understanding) are just proteins aren't near as bad. They're not really actively doing anything but existing for the body to respond to and destroy. My guess is that most drugs that we've learned had side-effects (with hindsight) may have had those side-effects go unnoticed if the victims only took these drugs 3 times.
Welp we'll see in a few years when we all drop off from cancer.
Well, here's the questions. Have you read the BMJ essay regarding lack of evidence based medicine in modern clinical trial processes? Have you read the Phil Harper Ivermectin series on substack? Have you actually read the reports on forums, on YouTube, of people with long term vaccine injuries?
Because if you haven't done those things, and spent serious time with them, what's the point of my responding in any way? There are literally dozens of people who have real expertise whose reporting is available if you want to find it. I'm just doing a summary from a professional gambling perspective and from the perspective of someone who has a good sense of how propaganda is usually structured. The following are just easily available -- they aren't particularly damning. What bothers me isn't that the occasional end of the bell curve vaccine injury is happening. It's that there is almost no mainstream reporting of those injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvssp9uA72A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSn9hEYPis&t=760s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM&t=11s
There are dozens of these kinds of critiques out there -- I tried to find one Been interview that was the best I'd seen because the injured person had a biology doctorate and was walking us through how impossible it was to get medical coverage for her injuries. She patiently went through the identification of injury process, spending a lot of money, and was a terrific interview. I couldn't find it immediately, however, as I am not a Been subscriber.
The majority of the heart issues "resolve," but they resolve with scarring, which means from an immediate basic functional perspective, all is usually well from a superficial won't-die-today perspective after a couple of months. But the scarring is there months and months later and may be permanent. So it affects people long-term.
One of the disturbing, propaganda type things regarding the vaccine-injured that Been interviews -- these people are clearly still damaged, but as participants in the government study, they have been cleared and labeled as "recovered and cured."
If you haven't looked into these things, I don't blame you. I'd prefer to not have learned this stuff. But my preferences take a back seat to reality recognition.
A lot of this comes back to laziness. If answers matter, then doing a two-page google search of "vaccine injuries" isn't going to cut it. But if that's what you think research is, then you learn what you deserve.
All that talk and you can't really come up with much about these longterm health effects outside of youtube videoos.Instead you blast a bunch of studies that I'm not about to read. I've read plenty too. THe last time I read the journal article you referenced. I went to the original source (not youtube) and found out your conclusions were basically wrong but in the vicinity of being true. You just skipped over and blast at me more journal articles on ivermectin. I have no clue how that would be relevant and I'm not about to waste my time given your misinterpretation of the original study that started this. Fool me once shame on you ....
Seriously gtfo with your nonsense. You know how propaganda is structured !!!! Just more irrelevant back patting bullshit.
Ok, maybe heart inflammation is an issue of long-term consequence but it usurps your original point - People who took vaccune are taking on longterm effects with no benefit. The fact is the heart inflammation thing happens with covid also. So it kinda undermines your point that this is some extra danger taken on by the vaccine and you've yet to show me anything showing these longterm effects outside of time consuming youtube videos which at best are an interpretation. Even if mainstream media is avoiding it or whatever, there should be something out there that goes into detail. This Israeli study DrBeen talks about? There should be something mainstream media can reference and not shit like "bobby's aunt dianne was 71 and totally fine until she got the vaccine. Bobby, can you tell us about your aunt?" There just isn't much out there that I've seen but I'm not going out of my way to look for it because well that is clearly a waste of time. Maybe the "propaganda" is keeping me from the truth lol.
If you are going to sincerely critique media then you need to specifically show that they're not covering. News has to have sources. So show me the sources.
DrBeen seems reasonable from what little I listened but the balding guy with glasses in youtube video #3 is a pandering grifter. Good luck with that,
If you haven't figured it out I'm not waiting for "mainstream media" to cover these things, I want *you* to show me what they're not covering and not just say "well doing google searches ain't enough". What utter rubbish. Then you follow it up with youtube videos as your only source !!!!! (can't make that shit up) There are many other phds etc who have been studying this and thats what you need to reference. I'm sure there is some stuff out there somewhere.
The vaccine does nothing it has the same long term side effects as getting covid. How your body handles covid is complete depended on if you have a certain genetic makeup. Polish scientists figured this out. The researchers from the Medical University of Bialystok found that the gene was the fourth most important factor determining how seriously a person suffers from COVID-19, after age, weight and gender. Taking the vaccine just makes humans feel like they are doing something to protect themselves and others. It’s literally virtue signaling at this point. Just like all death covid death is random. I do believe They made a noble effort to create a vaccine to help us, but failed as they didn’t fully understand the virus mutations. But believe what you want the data is out there if you look at it. The problem is most people really can’t interpret statistics correctly including semi smart pro gamblersQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionThis is clownish. The vaccine also does heart scarring but covid also does it. This is not some side-effect specific to the vaccine. It also happens with people infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Well, here's the questions. Have you read the BMJ essay regarding lack of evidence based medicine in modern clinical trial processes? Have you read the Phil Harper Ivermectin series on substack? Have you actually read the reports on forums, on YouTube, of people with long term vaccine injuries?
Because if you haven't done those things, and spent serious time with them, what's the point of my responding in any way? There are literally dozens of people who have real expertise whose reporting is available if you want to find it. I'm just doing a summary from a professional gambling perspective and from the perspective of someone who has a good sense of how propaganda is usually structured. The following are just easily available -- they aren't particularly damning. What bothers me isn't that the occasional end of the bell curve vaccine injury is happening. It's that there is almost no mainstream reporting of those injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvssp9uA72A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSn9hEYPis&t=760s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM&t=11s
There are dozens of these kinds of critiques out there -- I tried to find one Been interview that was the best I'd seen because the injured person had a biology doctorate and was walking us through how impossible it was to get medical coverage for her injuries. She patiently went through the identification of injury process, spending a lot of money, and was a terrific interview. I couldn't find it immediately, however, as I am not a Been subscriber.
The majority of the heart issues "resolve," but they resolve with scarring, which means from an immediate basic functional perspective, all is usually well from a superficial won't-die-today perspective after a couple of months. But the scarring is there months and months later and may be permanent. So it affects people long-term.
One of the disturbing, propaganda type things regarding the vaccine-injured that Been interviews -- these people are clearly still damaged, but as participants in the government study, they have been cleared and labeled as "recovered and cured."
If you haven't looked into these things, I don't blame you. I'd prefer to not have learned this stuff. But my preferences take a back seat to reality recognition.
A lot of this comes back to laziness. If answers matter, then doing a two-page google search of "vaccine injuries" isn't going to cut it. But if that's what you think research is, then you learn what you deserve.
All that talk and you can't really come up with much about these longterm health effects.Instead you blast a bunch of studies that I'm not about to read. I've read plenty too. THe last time I read the journal article you referenced. I went to the original source (not youtube) and found out your conclusions were basically wrong but in the vicinity of being true. You just skipped over and blast at me more journal articles on ivermectin. I have no clue how that would be relevant and I'm not about to waste my time given your misinterpretation of the original study that started this. Fool me once shame on you ....
Seriously gtfo with your nonsense. You know how propaganda is structured !!!! Just more irrelevant back patting bullshit.
Ok, maybe heart inflammation is an issue of long-term consequence but it usurps your original point - People who took vaccune are taking on longterm effects with no benefit. The fact is the heart inflammation thing happens with covid also. So it kinda undermines your point that this is some extra danger taken on by the vaccine and you've yet to show me anything showing these longterm effects. Even if mainstream media is avoiding it or whatever, there should be something out there that goes into detail. There should be something mainstream media can reference and not shit like "bobby's aunt dianne was 71 and totally fine until she got the vaccine. Bobby, can you tell us about your aunt?"
If you are going to sincerely critique media then you need to specifically show that they're not covering. News has to have sources. So show me the sources.
DrBeen seems reasonable from what little I listened but the balding guy with glasses in youtube video #3 is a pandering grifter from what I recall. Good luck with that,
If you haven't figured it out I'm not waiting for "mainstream media" to cover these things, I want *you* to show me what they're not covering and not just say "well doing google searches ain't enough". What utter rubbish. There are many other phds etc who have been studying this and thats what you need to reference. I'm sure there is some stuff out there somewhere.
I'm fairly certain it has been beyond established that long covid is something that is no joke and numerous people have it or have had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Fuck I met some kid at WSOP playing poker the one time I played. I believe he lives with his parents, no way he is 25. He got covid and even went to hospital. Whatever but his sense of smell was screwed for over a year until he got covid again. He was very serious about it, told us about his panic attacks and such. These stories are beyond abundant.
I have NEVER come across anyone who had something like this from the vaccine. I would be surprised if the vaccine hasn't caused some issues somewhere but it is beyond established that the virus itself does far far far more damage.x
The vaccine helped with the original strain (and those closer). The one that seemed to have had signficantly worse symptoms. (This new variant doesn't get into the lungs .. ) And while they failed in having a vaccine that had any chance of irradicating the disease - the vaccine has clearly reduced symptoms, long covid, hospitalization, etc.
It wasn't a total success but it wasn't a total failure. It is the best we could do and it worked.
There isn't much else to this. These youtube guys are mostly grifters. Diore, Brand. All these people who believe in their shit want to also believe in the conspiracies. Everything is twisted by money, right? Therefore you can't believe it. THese same conspiracy people never pause to think how much these youtube hacks get off Youtube payments with their grifts. Their apparent irrelevancy outside of Youtube. Listening to these folks somehow this is supposed to be better than MSM. It may be, it may not.
Redietz is like giving me a lecture on the issues with trials and studies. Then he goes on and shows some minority view study and waves it all around.
Where do these people come from?
BTW I got the covid for first time AFAIK. Body aches, sore throat (nothing bad).. Really no more nasal discharge than allergies. Sore sinuses to go with the sore throat.
I had a thing called Rigor last night which I've never had before. Having your body violently shake for a couple of minutes is a very bizarre thing to experience. At first you're like is this a medical problem? Like should I be worried? Being cold has never made me shiver like this. This is VIOLENT. So I get under the sheets and comforter but it does little. Then it stopped and I seemed fine. Apparently it is what your body does when it determines your need to be feverish... had no clue.
Speedy recovery, with mild symptoms to you AccoutinQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I have stayed out of this discussion. But I had covid twice as I shared with this forum, each time. (and people like to make fun of)
The first time, early on in the covid deal, there was an outbreak in my building. I knew of over a dozen people that contracted it at that same time. I am sure there were more. I got very sick that first time. Very sick with lung infection, fever and pressure making it hard to breath. Felt like someone was standing behind me squeezing me. That lasted less than a week, I think 6 days and went away. I was thinking that wasn't so bad, because at the time there were a lot of deaths. Felt good for 3 days and then it all came back for a second round, even worse for about another week. After that second round, I dealt with severe fatigue for about a month. It was like nothing I ever experiences. I couldn't stay awake for more than a couple hours. Some days I was awake as little as 8-9 hours.
After about a month, things slowly improved. I resumed my Bj career, going out every day that summer. Then I had a complication of swelling around my heart. Not the heart, but around the heart. This was a not uncommon complication from covid. That resolved quickly with medication.
Second time I got covid, a year and half later, I felt like I had a cold. My doctor wanted me to test so I did and tested positive. Had cold symptoms for 3 days or so and that was it.
I am no doctor or medical expert, or any of that, but the two times I contracted covid were night and day as far as severity. What was the difference? Vaccines had come out and I was vaccinated 5 months before contracting covid the second time. THAT is enough for me. I believe in science and math. It is a little scary that these vaccines were rushed so, out of necessity, and when problems came up, they were corrected. And who knows, 5, 10 years down the road, I guess it is possible that everyone vaccinated, comes down with some issue related to the vaccine. Not likely, but possible. If that happens, I will leave it to science to come up with a fix. You either believe in things like science and math and the experts we have working the problems, or you become like the Amish. I choose science and math.
Your hero Bill Gates proclaimed that catching Omicron is more effective than taking the Vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Next Time?
Another Lab Leak!?
EVIL BASTARDS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essI63xOvPI
You will not escape death.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySounds like a smart move Mickey. I should probably cut back myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDue to salt restricted diet I no longer eat french fries. I also have a refrigerator in my van so buy 40 packs of bottled water at Walmart. Works out to about 13 cents a bottle. When I go thru a fast food line I'm no longer buying the combo meals. I just get the burger and grab a bottle of water out of the refrigerator. Then I throw the bun away. You wouldn't believe how much salt is in bread. A hamburger bun can have over 500 milligrams of salt in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I get off pretty cheap at those fast food joints these days.
Imagine a world without salt.
Impossible!
I ask for double salt and sometimes triple but I still cook with unsalted butter.
People like accountinquestion want me to trust companies that make the vaccine and mass produce products like these.
By the way, these are only 10 examples.
On annual average the FDA recalls 1280 drugs that get released onto the market that they know should not be released.
I take as little pharmaceuticals as possible as I don't believe in them and I am not trying to live forever.
I do take Aspirin, Tylenol and NyQuil on occasion because I'm an idiot.
I recently went kicking and screaming to the doctor to be tested for all STDs which was a waste of my time.
Prior to that I can count on one hand how many times I have went to the doctor in the last 30 years.
Valdecoxib (Bextra) death, heart attack, stroke and gastrointestinal bleeding.
Pemoline (Cylert) liver damage.
Bromfenac (Duract) death and liver damage.
Levamisole (Ergamisol) eye surgery problems.
Rofecoxib (Vioxx) heart attack and stroke.
Isotretinoin (Accutane) birth defects, miscarriage, and premature deaths.
Abortion against the law... take this medicine.
Sibutramine (Meridia) heart attack and stroke.
Terfenadine (Seldane) heart problems.
Troglitazone (Rezulin) liver failure.
Efalizumab (Raptiva) causes progressive multifocal Leukoencephalopathy.
Cluckerz gonna cluck.
#Halfthedudes on this forum binge watch My Little Pony on VHS while eating Hamburger Helper and think they’re living the high life.
I have experienced the same Violent Shivers you did with the regular flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.
The second time I got Covid I slept for 30 hours and sort of lost track of time.
Felt horrible for 3 to 4 days.
Day 5 and 6 I was up and back to bowling.
Covid is the same as the Flu for 96% of us.
Toughen Up.
Only the Strong will Survive.
Playing Live Poker is probably the worst thing in the world as I always caught the Flu or something like it every single year in Vegas.
It's a Cesspool.
Enjoy!
Edit: I should state that my wife works in the Casino now for over a year.
She is Double Vaxxed and has still never caught it.
She decided against being boosted.
My uncle is UnVaxxed and never caught it either.
They are beating the odds somehow.
It would be interesting to get our antibodies tested and see which one of us has more but it doesn't really matter.
How’s that cheeseburger Mac tasting Garnabby?
Can we at least get some salt with our fries?Quote:
Originally Posted by GarnabbySecret VCT codewor6, RI9 + ...
---> ISO three-letter country codes.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
https://anagram-solver.net/Secret%20....?partial=true
I guess, as per my noting of "country code" in my previous post (to do with God's telephone number). Note the digits of 6996 above, and, in my previous post.
Anyway, escaping death is the easy part. The hard part is to remain intact (after having escaped death).
Anyways, who gives a shit?
You better vaccine up again and boost up while you can.
Because BA.5 is coming and will be dominate in America by Mid-July.
Get your Life Insurance and Funeral Arrangements in Order!
See You In HELL!
It is an AP move. So said a dumb-ass, once upon a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Elderly excluded.
Sometimes I buy a quarter pound or half pound of baked potato wedges which are sold in the deli section of some of the grocery store chains which I presume is a little healthier than french fries and they taste pretty good as long as you get them before they overcook under the heat lamp. Anyway, just as you write, death is imminent for all of us. Along the way I have enjoyed french fries and onion rings with a hamburger or chicken burger. The regular serving of salt suits my taste for better or worse. Anyway food science is advancing pretty rapidly at this point, so maybe they will develop a salt substitute that tastes just as good as the real thing for flavoring. Just like the Beyond burger doesn't taste that much worse than a regular beef burger and coke zero doesn't taste that much worse than regular coke. Then we can enjoy the taste without some of the health drawbacks so that we feel better along the remaining stretch until doomsday.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
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Originally Posted by monetI have experienced the same Violent Shivers you did with the regular flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.
The second time I got Covid I slept for 30 hours and sort of lost track of time.
Felt horrible for 3 to 4 days.
Day 5 and 6 I was up and back to bowling.
Covid is the same as the Flu for 96% of us.
Toughen Up.
Only the Strong will Survive.
Playing Live Poker is probably the worst thing in the world as I always caught the Flu or something like it every single year in Vegas.
It's a Cesspool.
Enjoy!
Edit: I should state that my wife works in the Casino now for over a year.
She is Double Vaxxed and has still never caught it.
She decided against being boosted.
My uncle is UnVaxxed and never caught it either.
They are beating the odds somehow.
It would be interesting to get our antibodies tested and see which one of us has more but it doesn't really matter.
I used to catch a cold every single time I played live poker. Happened like the first five times in a row. And I don't get sick often.
Thanks for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by jpfromlaYou need to find an In 'n Out Burger place. Order the protein burger. Instead of the bun, they wrap it in lettuce.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDue to salt restricted diet I no longer eat french fries. I also have a refrigerator in my van so buy 40 packs of bottled water at Walmart. Works out to about 13 cents a bottle. When I go thru a fast food line I'm no longer buying the combo meals. I just get the burger and grab a bottle of water out of the refrigerator. Then I throw the bun away. You wouldn't believe how much salt is in bread. A hamburger bun can have over 500 milligrams of salt in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I get off pretty cheap at those fast food joints these days.
"My hero". I guess he's a bad guy because he spends a lot of his excess money to actually help the world? Not everyone is a shitty person like you, Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetYour hero Bill Gates proclaimed that catching Omicron is more effective than taking the Vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Next Time?
Another Lab Leak!?
EVIL BASTARDS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essI63xOvPI
Anyway, not many are claiming the vaccine is helping as much with Omnicron and sub-variants. Not many are pushing for vaccines anymore. Luckily the newest variants seem to cause less serious illness than the original strains. shrug.
The vaccine was made for earliest strains and the thing has mutated so that A) it doesn't cause as much illness B) is far more transmissable C) it evades previous immunity
It isn't like catching the original variant has 100% protected you from these new variants. Neither vaccine or prior infection have been some miracle. The most important thing and lucky for us is that these new variants seem to not do near as much.
How do you feel about Dr. Fauci's propaganda?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm fairly certain there are not that many longterm side-effects. The heart-inflamation thing is not going on longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You really put a lot of effort jumping around .. I wish I knew the types of invalid arguments but this "you need to expands your horizons" won't cut it. Almost all side-effects are over within 2 months and if they aren't, please tell me about them.
"Thus, they may (I said may) be at more risk for all kinds of health issues." you said. oookay. I mean this statement isn't exactly not true but it is near meaningless.
THe vaccines have been used for quite some time now and I have yet to hear about all these longterm effects we were warned of by the anti-vaxxers.
Yes I can expand my horizons to nonsense and find an opposing view but I fail to see value in that approach.
Pfizer not wanting to release info is not anything surprising. That is standard operating procedure. All it would do it help them be sued. I believe they were given government money and such so we could argue that this should be an exception but it does *not* point to anything nefarious.
I'm also not sure what you're getting at about clinical trials and trying to tie it in. Yes, they have many issues but that doesn't mean they always have issues. Nor do this lack of a full trial point to anything either. It was clear that such an exception was needed.
People seem to confuse the side-effects we've had over the years from meds for chronic disease and make that directly comparable to the vaccines. These few time shots that (from my understanding) are just proteins aren't near as bad. They're not really actively doing anything but existing for the body to respond to and destroy. My guess is that most drugs that we've learned had side-effects (with hindsight) may have had those side-effects go unnoticed if the victims only took these drugs 3 times.
Welp we'll see in a few years when we all drop off from cancer.
Well, here's the questions. Have you read the BMJ essay regarding lack of evidence based medicine in modern clinical trial processes? Have you read the Phil Harper Ivermectin series on substack? Have you actually read the reports on forums, on YouTube, of people with long term vaccine injuries?
Because if you haven't done those things, and spent serious time with them, what's the point of my responding in any way? There are literally dozens of people who have real expertise whose reporting is available if you want to find it. I'm just doing a summary from a professional gambling perspective and from the perspective of someone who has a good sense of how propaganda is usually structured. The following are just easily available -- they aren't particularly damning. What bothers me isn't that the occasional end of the bell curve vaccine injury is happening. It's that there is almost no mainstream reporting of those injuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvssp9uA72A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSn9hEYPis&t=760s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM&t=11s
There are dozens of these kinds of critiques out there -- I tried to find one Been interview that was the best I'd seen because the injured person had a biology doctorate and was walking us through how impossible it was to get medical coverage for her injuries. She patiently went through the identification of injury process, spending a lot of money, and was a terrific interview. I couldn't find it immediately, however, as I am not a Been subscriber.
The majority of the heart issues "resolve," but they resolve with scarring, which means from an immediate basic functional perspective, all is usually well from a superficial won't-die-today perspective after a couple of months. But the scarring is there months and months later and may be permanent. So it affects people long-term.
One of the disturbing, propaganda type things regarding the vaccine-injured that Been interviews -- these people are clearly still damaged, but as participants in the government study, they have been cleared and labeled as "recovered and cured."
If you haven't looked into these things, I don't blame you. I'd prefer to not have learned this stuff. But my preferences take a back seat to reality recognition.
A lot of this comes back to laziness. If answers matter, then doing a two-page google search of "vaccine injuries" isn't going to cut it. But if that's what you think research is, then you learn what you deserve.
Regarding sodium and burgers, I think all fast food places offer a bunless option now.
I get the double QP at McDonald's this way sometimes but I think they actually salt the pattie. It's got something like salt on it anyway
I'm just going to say "what doesn't kill you will make you stronger" could not be more nonsensical. I remember saying this ... when I was a kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI have experienced the same Violent Shivers you did with the regular flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.
The second time I got Covid I slept for 30 hours and sort of lost track of time.
Felt horrible for 3 to 4 days.
Day 5 and 6 I was up and back to bowling.
Covid is the same as the Flu for 96% of us.
Toughen Up.
Only the Strong will Survive.
Playing Live Poker is probably the worst thing in the world as I always caught the Flu or something like it every single year in Vegas.
It's a Cesspool.
Enjoy!
Edit: I should state that my wife works in the Casino now for over a year.
She is Double Vaxxed and has still never caught it.
She decided against being boosted.
My uncle is UnVaxxed and never caught it either.
They are beating the odds somehow.
It would be interesting to get our antibodies tested and see which one of us has more but it doesn't really matter.
Sounds great. Tough men we are! Until you survived and can barely walk up stairs without being terribly winded. I remember Trump walking up those stairs. You could watch him pause trying to catch his breath but the show had to go on. I give him props for that. He had a lot of specialized medical care which wasn't available to general public. Extreme privilege is a wonderful thing.
Or you have some weird "brain-fog". It doesn't kill you, it just makes you dumber!
Anyway, many times if it doesn't kill you it just makes you weaker.
Probably an illness vs life experiences. Apply it to latter and not former.