Math vs fantasy

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

There is one big problem with this. As previously mentioned, this would be similar to someone who is clocking a Roulette wheel to gain an advantage. This is obviously possible, but not what you are doing. Even if you had found an error in the RNG, still possible but not what you are claiming.

You have both physical (manual wheel) as well as electronic (RNG) for producing "random" numbers.

You have already said you do this across MULTIPLE devices. A process that presents an outcome by use of a RNG can not also be used on a MANUAL roulette wheel that has numbers that match up to a specific wheel slot! But I'm sure Spike will tell us he has a different system that evaluates each device independently, that produces random numbers.

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I'm afraid this is looking like it transcends the ability of mere mortals to comprehend.

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No it doesn't. You're just realizing like most people like you realize that I'm not going to come to your house and drive you to the casino and hold your hand and take you step by step by step by step over everything I do again and again until you get it. Because that's what you want me to do and because I'm not going to do that you're not going to have anything to do with it. You're a gambler and every gambler I've ever known is extremely lazy. That's why they gamble they want something for nothing. That's what you want from me, something for nothing. Good luck with that.

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If you did, he'd just laugh at you as you lose. All of us would.

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Originally Posted by unowme

This sounds more like misinterpreted human pattern recognition than a method that can potentially predict outcomes when the game is really not truly random. But Good Luck with that!

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Actually luck has absolutely nothing to do with it. The whole point of it is to get rid of luck entirely and rely totally on skill. I hate it when luck happens because you can't control it. The only time I get lucky is when I in haste misplace a bet in the wrong spot and I win anyway. I hate those wins.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

I just hope that no one gives him his much needed validation outside this thread.

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Try to control yourself, and maybe your hopes will come true.

I never interacted with or commented at all on EB at WOV, so it can be done.

I guess that never occurred to those who chase after him, from forum to forum, just to harass and insult him.

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Originally Posted by unowme

This sounds more like misinterpreted human pattern recognition than a method that can potentially predict outcomes when the game is really not truly random. But Good Luck with that! But Good Luck with that!

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And that's all that really needs to be said about it.

The vitriol displayed towards him is sociopathic.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

This guy is a pretty great troll for one thread. I just hope that no one gives him his much needed validation outside this thread.

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Don't worry, that never happens. People who don't know me are curious but they will soon throw up their hands when they realize that I'm not going to lead them step by step by step with the details of what I do. I'm only here for me, not for anybody else. You can ask me questions that I will answer up to a point and believe me up until the last couple years I didn't used to do that. But I realized that nobody's ever going to do this because it takes too much time and too much effort and gamblers are extremely lazy. So now I talk about almost all of it freely and openly.

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Originally Posted by Don Perignom

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Originally Posted by Spike

I'm a cat food expert I have 14 cats right now and they eat better than I do.

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I look forward to it! You can put it here on the Las Vegas board. As you can see from the other threads, the topics don't have to be precisely Vegas-related.

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Just join wov and look at the cat thread and we can talk about it there. I'm not going to start talking about cats at another place.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

, trust me I’ll smile the day it’s figured out you died. r.

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Cool. One thing I can assure you of though, I'm not dying young. Too late for that, LOL

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Originally Posted by Spike

Just join wov and look at the cat thread and we can talk about it there. I'm not going to start talking about cats at another place.

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Thanks anyway. I don't want to mingle with the dweebs over there.

Maybe I'll have a lurk at it :) .

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Originally Posted by jbjb

If you did, he'd just laugh at you as you lose. All of us would.

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I would hope so, I would be laughing too because it doesn't happen. In fact it can't happen, it's impossible. It would be like Annie Oakley all of a sudden forgetting how to shoot her gun. That would never happen.

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Originally Posted by Don Perignom

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Originally Posted by Spike

Just join wov and look at the cat thread and we can talk about it there. I'm not going to start talking about cats at another place.

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Thanks anyway. I don't want to mingle with the dweebs over there.

Maybe I'll have a lurk at it :) .

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You don't have to mingle, just post in the one thread. Nobody will notice or care. In fact nobody's asked me what I feed my cats, and it's really an involved process.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Imagine getting offended and territorial over "Gambling Forums" lol

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I'm not offended or territorial over GF, fool.

You could have made a specious argument about any forum you never read, and I'd have called you on it.

Why not just tell the truth, and not show your ass?

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

This guy is a pretty great troll for one thread. I just hope that no one gives him his much needed validation outside this thread.

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His suspension at WoV will soon end, so I suspect he'll return to that heavily moderated forum; then again the guy's a masochist, he revels in being attacked, told he's full of shit, that he should die etc.

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Originally Posted by Spike

You don't have to mingle, just post in the one thread.

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Best I can do is post about it here in the wov thread.

I'll make a note to do that.

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

This guy is a pretty great troll for one thread. I just hope that no one gives him his much needed validation outside this thread.

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People who don't know me are curious but they will soon throw up their hands when they realize that I'm not going to lead them step by step by step with the details of what I do.

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No one is 'throwing up their hands'.
The casinos edge over your method was determined before you even started researching.
It was 5.26% then, and 50k post later it is still (Sadly) 5.26%.

It is common for people with a "system" to not disclose the details of their system to an intelligent group of people because they know it will be debunked!

They feel as long as they don't put all the details out there, they clinging to some hope, no matter how absolutely small that may be.

I remember someone on WOV who did this very technique. But this is where they mess up... They make outrageous claims that contradict math and then any credibility they have becomes null and void.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Why is Smelly Belly always the first person that defends the impossible and Outrageous claims by other members? Does anyone actually listen to this guy, or does everyone have him on ignore? Him and William Yung are in the same category.

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Defending the impossible and outrageous claims, made by Singer, Mdawg, now Evenbob and even the late Alan and his 18 y.o.'s is only half of the equation. The second part is attacking any advantage player that is playing with and advantage that wins.

What does that sound like to you? 3 words: Lifelong degenerate gambler.

Went with the recent Coach Belly trick of looking at line-37. And, next, line-36, with the numeral 14 spelled out because there was no way that the 37th was going to repeat 36 times.

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Originally Posted by Spike

I'm a cat food expert I have 14 cats right now and they eat better than I do.

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---> Nevada State Department of Taxation. [Line 37]

https://anagram-solver.net/I%27m%20a....?partial=true

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Originally Posted by Spike

I'm a cat food expert I have fourteen cats right now and they eat better than I do.

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---> Another Eden: The Cat Beyond Time and Space. [Line 36 = (-1 + 37) ---> 137]

https://anagram-solver.net/I%27m%20a....?partial=true


Anyway, the Taxation bit sort of fits in with the Toxoplasma bit of the following paragraph.

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It turns out that cats have a mischievous and somewhat dark reputation in neuroscience. There is research to suggest that a cat’s proximity to other mammals can cause them to behave strangely. This feline power has been attributed to a protozoan that lives in their stool, called Toxoplasma gondii (or Toxo for short). In one classic story, researchers showed that Toxo can travel into a rat’s brain and cause the rat to no longer avoid areas where cats live. The rats, in fact, become attracted to the smell of cat urine. Previously repulsed by the smell, these brain-infected rodents run joyously through urine-laden environments. They walk right through the cat’s trap, until their young rodent lives come to an end under a forceful paw.

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Sounds a lot like the old "zombie (ant) fungus", which similarly takes over the brains of ants. Ha.


P.S. Hey, how about that? Three posts coming up at the same time, 6:14 pm ---> 614 = 307*(3 - 1) ---> 37_731

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I remember someone on WOV who did this very technique. But this is where they mess up... They make outrageous claims that contradict math and then any credibility they have becomes null and void.

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The very low bar to any claims made on forums has to be that the math works. The real math, not some twilight zone alternative math. That alone doesn't prove a persons claims of course. After that you start to piece together if the person knows what they are talking about or not and credibility. And that is where personal feeling towards someone will interfere. But the very low bar has to be the math.

And if someone isn't willing to subject their claim to the math and just keeps saying "top secret, no one can possibly understand" then they should have kept their mouth shut in the first place. Otherwise it is just people claiming to fly to the moon and back every day. And after a while, the forum becomes known as a gambling voodoo forum. that embraces all the gambling voodoo concepts.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Imagine getting offended and territorial over "Gambling Forums" lol

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I'm not offended or territorial over GF, fool.

You could have made a specious argument about any forum you never read, and I'd have called you on it.

Why not just tell the truth, and not show your ass?

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I don't need to read it. Numerous posters from this very forum that I trust the opinion of have made their opinions known about the quality of 'Gambling Forums' . There would be no purpose for me to confirm what they are saying.

I live in real life, I don't need to read about Roulette systems, that I already know the EXACT edge of that system before I even start to read. If you understood anything about basic gambling math, you too would understand this concept as well.

There is not a single thing that you Ploppy Degenerative gamblers do that changes the house edge by even a fraction of a percent utilizing various systems.

It is actually embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by tableplay

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by unowme

Bayesian inference might allow APs to adjust their play based on observation of outcomes by uncovering a lack of true randomness in the game itself or by overcoming a lack of knowledge on the inner workings of the game.
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I have always said the reason I can do this is because there's only 37 or 38 pockets on a wheel which isn't very many. If there were 60 or 90 I couldn't do this. I've gone to random.org and gotten random columns of numbers that are 60 or 70 or 80 numbers long and I can't do what I can do with the 36 numbers in roulette.

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One method would be to make a histogram of the 38 pockets. If the frequency of occurrence of certain pockets are much higher than the rest and those frequently occurring pockets are adjacent to one another on the wheel, then you have identified a biased wheel and can bet that cluster of adjacent pockets. I have no idea if that is the method you use and am merely identifying one of the methods people use to make money on roulette. Clocking the decay rate of the ball due to friction is another, but most people need a computer for that.

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Bob has denied he engages in biased wheels or clocking. He plays with different wheels and supposedly his pretend method also works in baccarat. That eliminates any biased will theories. And an 80% hit rate almost certainly eliminates any biased wheel theories as well since that would be completely obvious to the casino and other players. With a bias wheel, you could provide some math. You certainly wouldn't be using words like guessing, when and leave, Etc. I'm not sure how much Bob is involved or what he believes but his other crackpot online roulette posers all talk about some kind of Global Effect malarkey.

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

There is one big problem with this. As previously mentioned, this would be similar to someone who is clocking a Roulette wheel to gain an advantage. This is obviously possible, but not what you are doing. Even if you had found an error in the RNG, still possible but not what you are claiming.

You have both physical (manual wheel) as well as electronic (RNG) for producing "random" numbers.

You have already said you do this across MULTIPLE devices. A process that presents an outcome by use of a RNG can not also be used on a MANUAL roulette wheel that has numbers that match up to a specific wheel slot! But I'm sure Spike will tell us he has a different system that evaluates each device independently, that produces random numbers.

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I'm afraid this is looking like it transcends the ability of mere mortals to comprehend.

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No it doesn't. You're just realizing like most people like you realize that I'm not going to come to your house and drive you to the casino and hold your hand and take you step by step by step by step over everything I do again and again until you get it. Because that's what you want me to do and because I'm not going to do that you're not going to have anything to do with it. You're a gambler and every gambler I've ever known is extremely lazy. That's why they gamble they want something for nothing. That's what you want from me, something for nothing. Good luck with that.

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Even if you held somebody by their hand and showed them step by step, it would be meaningless you couldn't even complete a simple task of showing The Wizard that you could do what you say you could. It seems like you kept on changing crap or did something so fucked up that he had to make a public statement regarding those types of challenges and what he will accept, and what kind of requirements needs to be established prior.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Even if you held somebody by their hand and showed them step by step, it would be meaningless you couldn't even complete a simple task of showing The Wizard that you could do what you say you could. It seems like you kept on changing crap or did something so fucked up that he had to make a public statement regarding those types of challenges and what he will accept, and what kind of requirements needs to be established prior.

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Unfortunately, your friend Wizard has checked out. He is going through the motions now, between trips and vacations, but his heart isn't in the forum WoV like it was before the sale. maybe that is even understandable, and any of us would be the same. But there is just no way Wizard would have allowed the claims Evenbob makes and Mdawg before him, without getting more involved. And the free speech thing is just a cop out.