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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Better hurry up. I'm 70 years old, tomorrow's operation has a 6-10 week healing timeframe....and the gun grease is growing mold.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Me personally, I don't abide by the old Italian rules and regs, if you know what I mean. Some folks are more Exodus 34:7 and Deuteronomy 5:9 kinds of people. Oh yeah, and Numbers 14:18.
I don't consider any personal attacks against anonymous people's stories relevant. Red won't prove who he is, so how can I know if he really had/has a wife, two wives, or whatever. Same goes for kew. For all anybody knows, he's a 90 lb. Vietnamese lady who failed in her bid to become a LV fireman. If people want the respect they crave then don't badmouth others, and if they do then lay out the real story. Otherwise, unknown people with unknown everything are fair game for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySo then why did you write that shit about Redietz's and Kewlj's spouses ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
OMG!! "not telling the entire story?? Are you serious? :confused: Rob you have just changed your entire story in the past couple months from what you have been claiming for years.:rolleyes: YOU are that danger to others. And for proof of this just read slingshot's post today. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Can we discuss this timeline, because it was before my time and I want to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Your original claim, up until a couple months ago was that you were a losing player attempting to play with an advantage in the late 1990's. And then you claimed to have discovered this Singer system or whatever name you use and won over a million dollars over 10 years, I guess from 1999 until you announced retirement from VP in 2009. Is this correct?
So after you recent double up play claim, the story now goes something like this: You played your Singer system for 4 years making 375k from 2000 to 2004. in 2004 you discovered the double up bug and won 3 million through 2009. This is the new version right? Have I misrepresented anything because I am trying to be fair.
So now let's lay that on top of this time that you wrote some sort of column for Gambling Today, of which I am completely unfamiliar with. While I don't find the double up claim credible, for this discussion, lets give you the benefit of doubt. 2004-2009 is covered. That leaves 2000-2004 while you were writing this column, which co-incides with the 4 years you now claim to have played the Singer system (prior to discovery of the double-up bug).
This would explain why you absolutely cannot STILL, even today, admit that the singer system, which goes against the mathematics was bullshit. To admit that today, would be admitting that those 4 years of columns were all bullshit...that you were a losing player while writing the column and claiming otherwise and you can't bring yourself to do that. Maybe even some sort of legal reason, if you signed off that you were being truthful at the time. Is that it? :confused: I mean if you are coming clean as you sort of claim, there has to be SOME reason why you continue to double down on this Singer System claim (pre-double up bug) that continues to be mathematically problematic and most definitely misleading and possibly harmful to players such as slingshot.
Oh and one other thing. Having some big w-2 wins, doesn't prove anything except that you were playing high denomination. If you are/were playing -EV, loses would STILL be bigger than wins. I once even knew OF a guy that showed proof of 100k jackpot one year (or was it 2 for the year) and STILL had a losing year. To his credit, THAT is how -EV play works. :rolleyes:
Anyway, good luck with your surgery tomorrow. Hope everything goes well.
Rob, I didn't "bad-mouth" you first. Go bad and read my first posts here. I came to this site. Axel made a gay joke about me. (what are friends for) and you began your homophobic assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI don't consider any personal attacks against anonymous people's stories relevant. Red won't prove who he is, so how can I know if he really had/has a wife, two wives, or whatever. Same goes for kew. For all anybody knows, he's a 90 lb. Vietnamese lady who failed in her bid to become a LV fireman. If people want the respect they crave then don't badmouth others, and if they do then lay out the real story. Otherwise, unknown people with unknown everything are fair game for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySo then why did you write that shit about Redietz's and Kewlj's spouses ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But whatever. I know you don't have it in you to apologize, so it is fine. But let me tell you if you don't think these attacks mean anything, all I can say is your parents failed you Rob. They really did. That is not how you treat people whether it is to their face or on an anonymous internet forum. It just goes against decency.
If those kind of attacks are anyone's answer or rebuttal to an argument, then they really don't have much of an argument do they. It's just lame. It is 3rd grade shit. :(
You had the opportunity here to ask Rob about the W2-G's and how they related to the game king bug but I think you are still hung up on side issues. You raised the point earlier in this thread about Rob not having kept proof with W2-G's. But in the time frame there was some fanfare about the W2-G's Rob was showing off at the Gaming Today office. Of course, the deception was they didn't come from his vp system, they came from the game king bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOMG!! "not telling the entire story?? Are you serious? :confused: Rob you have just changed your entire story in the past couple months from what you have been claiming for years.:rolleyes: YOU are that danger to others. And for proof of this just read slingshot's post today. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Can we discuss this timeline, because it was before my time and I want to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Your original claim, up until a couple months ago was that you were a losing player attempting to play with an advantage in the late 1990's. And then you claimed to have discovered this Singer system or whatever name you use and won over a million dollars over 10 years, I guess from 1999 until you announced retirement from VP in 2009. Is this correct?
So after you recent double up play claim, the story now goes something like this: You played your Singer system for 4 years making 375k from 2000 to 2004. in 2004 you discovered the double up bug and won 3 million through 2009. This is the new version right? Have I misrepresented anything because I am trying to be fair.
So now let's lay that on top of this time that you wrote some sort of column for Gambling Today, of which I am completely unfamiliar with. While I don't find the double up claim credible, for this discussion, lets give you the benefit of doubt. 2004-2009 is covered. That leaves 2000-2004 while you were writing this column, which co-incides with the 4 years you now claim to have played the Singer system (prior to discovery of the double-up bug).
This would explain why you absolutely cannot STILL, even today, admit that the singer system, which goes against the mathematics was bullshit. To admit that today, would be admitting that those 4 years of columns were all bullshit...that you were a losing player while writing the column and claiming otherwise and you can't bring yourself to do that. Maybe even some sort of legal reason, if you signed off that you were being truthful at the time. Is that it? :confused: I mean if you are coming clean as you sort of claim, there has to be SOME reason why you continue to double down on this Singer System claim (pre-double up bug) that continues to be mathematically problematic and most definitely misleading and possibly harmful to players such as slingshot.
Oh and one other thing. Having some big w-2 wins, doesn't prove anything except that you were playing high denomination. If you are/were playing -EV, loses would STILL be bigger than wins. I once even knew OF a guy that showed proof of 100k jackpot one year (or was it 2 for the year) and STILL had a losing year. To his credit, THAT is how -EV play works. :rolleyes:
Anyway, good luck with your surgery tomorrow. Hope everything goes well.
You're forever claiming you never do anything wrong kew. Shack did you wrong, Moses did you wrong, and a hundred other people before me did you wrong. You never start anything and it's always the others who do.
Do yourself a favor. Figure yourself out.
Pretty shrewd assessment based on what I've seen in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'm confused, how did that answer my question about what you did with all your cash during the years you were making 600k from the double up bug? Were you stashing it under your mattress, investing in bonds, giving it to the poor, spending it all on hookers and blow, blowing it off on your system, buying houses and RV's, saving it in the bank?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI did answer that question in post #861 above.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfSounds good to me. I know many are thinking this is just another one of Robs games that he likes to play and we are all being played and you have some motivation or angle. Perhaps they are right, but I hope everyone is wrong. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, until I see otherwise. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I cant accept that challenge because it might be very possible to do(I don't know the math behind it all). However, that does NOT make it a long term winner.
I asked this before, perhaps you avoided the question? I will ask again: During those years you were making about 600k per year, what were you doing with all the cash?
People have the right to think anything they want. Some are objective and others are agenda-driven because they just don't like me for all the things I've said. And that's the choice I had to make. I know certain people can't separate the nonsense from what's real, but to me it was correct to come out with this with some people just unable to see it for what it really is. I asked to talk to you because I chose to expose how I really am to a respected AP instead of the character I played online for all these years. It's all part of the penance of having made a lot of money off of that play but it's worth it.
I don't know if four years makes anything long-term or not in vp. It worked, and if that's going against the math then that's how it is. I may have calculated my luck just right or I may have simply landed on the short side of the Bell Curve. But the strategy was worth arguing.
Perhaps-but the hot/cold cycles make themselves pretty obvious and NOT trying to play through them has saved me lots of frustration. The single play strategy is the only strategy that pretty much allows you to play through cold cycles in tough times- just a tough strategy to keep up with. I really don't care what others think of my approach- I just want to know if I was one of those who were being brushed off during this time period. For the record, it was best for me to figure things out for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by pahrump peteSlingshot, God bless ya. You have a child's innocence to your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshot
Inasmuch as I don't want to be too specific about it publicly, I thought I did answer. Every dollar was put into a safe, and after I had the floor safe built-in I transferred it to that. I added to it every time I came home with my earnings.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI'm confused, how did that answer my question about what you did with all your cash during the years you were making 600k from the double up bug? Were you stashing it under your mattress, investing in bonds, giving it to the poor, spending it all on hookers and blow, blowing it off on your system, buying houses and RV's, saving it in the bank?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI did answer that question in post #861 above.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
People have the right to think anything they want. Some are objective and others are agenda-driven because they just don't like me for all the things I've said. And that's the choice I had to make. I know certain people can't separate the nonsense from what's real, but to me it was correct to come out with this with some people just unable to see it for what it really is. I asked to talk to you because I chose to expose how I really am to a respected AP instead of the character I played online for all these years. It's all part of the penance of having made a lot of money off of that play but it's worth it.
I don't know if four years makes anything long-term or not in vp. It worked, and if that's going against the math then that's how it is. I may have calculated my luck just right or I may have simply landed on the short side of the Bell Curve. But the strategy was worth arguing.
I did not invest any of it. As noted several times we both have and have had retirement accounts throughout our working careers, so investments weren't necessary. My wife worked thru 2011 which also accounted for our health insurance, and I spent very little of the cash I stored away until we bought the big RV and the houses. There have been numerous other smaller uses since. I still have a small amount remaining from back then.
Bump for Axel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI saved the majority of it in cash, in a floor safe I had put in after about a year of the play that would have been found by no one. I was nervous about it at first, but after a while it became routine and easy. Drive overnight to anywhere in Nevada, earn at least $10,000, then drive home. If my avg. win/week was over $10k at any time because of large hits I'd take X no. of weeks off until the avg. got back down to $10k. I spent a little here and there I guess, but nothing big ticket until I bought the RV and a few homes in the early 2010's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI somewhat disagree with this. One may not want to push it too hard for various reasons. There was no way to really know if this was totally legal, even if they thought it was, you never really know on something like this. Pushing too hard might get you caught sooner by drawing attention to yourself the more you do it the better chance you have of being caught. Personally I think I wouldn't play for any hand-pays. I would put in lots of legit shill play. I would just make a few thousand per location per day targeting between $5,000 and $10,000 per day. I would probably make a deal with a very select few people who I 100% trust and then split up to diffrent states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I have a question for you Rob. What were you doing with the money as you were earning it?
Contrary to other opinions here, after a while I had no reason to expect the play to end. I knew some machines wouldn't work, and after a short time it was apparent only the newest machines had this. And no matter what style new Game Kings came out, they all had it. It was astonishing.
Was I surprised that others hadn't discovered this? Never. It took a serious veteran vp addict in a drunken stupor to find it by accident. Other serious vp players like yourself, your team, Dancer etc. etc., unless they set out and spent a few years like I did looking for something in gobs of spare time hours, no one would have ever found it. It's just way too strange a sequence. I mean, who puts a bill in during the middle of a hand and before you get your credits paid? Only a drunk.
There are many red flags in Rob’s story, but this one really set off alarm bells for me. In another post, Rob said he spent four years looking for a bug or something like a bug. I’m still trying to figure out the difference between a computer bug and something that looks like a computer bug, but we’ll leave that discussion for another day. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Who spends 4 years looking for something that might not be present? Remeber when Rob first started looking for this bug (or something that looks like bugs), this bug didn’t even exist. It only existed with the new machines. Btw, Ron continually points that out. This is an accurate point since the wire.com article also points it out. At least 90% of the things Rob continually points out to show he knew this play is in this article.
To me Rob’s story would be more plossible if he just said he was dilly-dallying around with one of these machines one weekend and happed upon it, then his story where he spent 4 long years spending 100 of hours looking for it. Makes no sense. No one does this. Kane and Nester happened upon it in drunken stupor, randomly pushing buttons. This is how you happen upon something like this. You don’t spend four years looking for it.
The other reason I don’t believe Rob’s story is because Mickey believes it. From being on this forum a while, I can tell Mickey is a good guy, but he’s kind of naive and he’ll believe anything.
Who spends four years doing something like this? Someone like me. And I wasn't looking for "this"--I was looking for anything. So guess why I didn't find anything the first 2+ years? BECAUSE THOSE MACHINES HAD NOTHING WRONG. Duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21There are many red flags in Rob’s story, but this one really set off alarm bells for me. In another post, Rob said he spent four years looking for a bug or something like a bug. I’m still trying to figure out the difference between a computer bug and something that looks like a computer bug, but we’ll leave that discussion for another day. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Who spends 4 years looking for something that might not be present? Remeber when Rob first started looking for this bug (or something that looks like bugs), this bug didn’t even exist. It only exists with the new machines. Btw, Ron continually points that out. This is an accurate point since the wire.com article also points it out. At least 90% of the things Rob continually points out to show he knew this play is in this article.
To me Rob’s story would be more plossible if he just said he dilly-dally around with one of these machines one weekend and happed upon it, then his story where he spent 4 long years spending 100 of hours looking for it. Makes no sense. No one does this. Kane and Nester happened upon it in drunken stupor, randomly pushing buttons. This is how you happen upon something like this. You don’t spend four years looking for it.
The other reason I don’t believe Rob’s story is because Mickey believes it. From being on this forum a while I can tell Mickey is a good guy, but he’s kind of naive and he’ll believe anything.
Surprised you didn't try to claim how no one stashes that much cash in a home safe. Well I do....and if you were as smart as me you would too, esp. if you had no idea if you were going to get caught and forced to pay all the w2G wins back or not.
axel I'll answer your next question now since I'll be incapacitated much of the day. Yes I paid taxes on all the earnings but not from the cash I won. We had other money for that.
I get the feeling that if I did get caught in the act back then, almost all of you would be shouting: "Lock Him Up!" But I didn't get caught and I rode this play for over 5 years. Why? Because I always know what I'm doing when it comes to important things. I'm more careful, strategic and prepared than most people in general. Most here don't like that but tough love. I did this and you didn't. Guess how much all this disapproval and speculation means now.
Floor safes and carrying and storing large sums of cash (or casino chips) is one of those things that AP's figure out for themselves based on their own circumstances. It is one of those things that makes us very different from other professions. :rolleyes:
Anyway, we are covering nothing new here, just going over the same old ground again and again. The bottom line is Rob has this new claim, out of the blue, that differs from his standard claim that he has made for years/decades. While he appears to have some details that most people who knew of this story did not know, that does not prove his claim as there are other possible ways that he could have come into that information, including finding and playing some machines after the story broke. There also are a lot of holes and/or red flags for some of us.
So we have the usual divide (just not along normal lines). Some people choose to believe Rob, based on the details he knows. Many more members see Red flags and little tidbits that don't make sense to some of us. And based on his history, I think we are well within our right to find him not credible. Rob has offered no supporting documentation to his claims, and in fairness, he is not required to, but I find it odd based on Rob says he expected skeptics. It wouldn't have taken much for him to have avoided all this. :confused: Anyway, we are just going to keep going in circles.
Again, good luck with your medical situation today Rob. A quick question for Rob, or anyone else? Is there an achieve or way to read Rob's articles on is it Gambling Today or Gaming Today? I just visited Gaming Today website but don't see anything that suggests that. I am in the midst of a several months driving trip and have some time to kill each day and am interested to read Rob's VP articles.
My history with Rob goes back further than anyone here, back to about 2005 or 6. Only Arci goes back further than that. I was the one that brought up the fact here on VCT that Rob announced his retirement from professional play in 2009. No one else here knew that or at least the time frame, except Rob. But for some reason he hadn't mentioned it. But more specifically I remember it was in mid 2009 and Rob said he had hit his win quota early that year so was retiring and would no longer be filing Schedule C as a professional gambler after 2009.
John Kane got busted at the Silverton in early July, 2009. That was mid 2009. The same time Rob announced his retirement. This is just a huge coincidence, right? It's this key piece of evidence that has me thinking Rob really did put this play down. So far everyone else has ignored this key piece of evidence. Perhaps someone here can explain why it was just a huge coincidence.
Kane got busted in 2009, but I don't believe that is when the story really broke, is it? I mean the story most often referenced is dated 2013, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I am not going to say it was a coincidence. But lets do some math. Rob just turned 70 last month. So in 2009, he would have just turned 60 and his wife was on the verge of retiring (according to Rob), so that may have just been a point that his life was changing from having a lot of time by himself, "gambling" to spending more time with his wife and their combined retirement of traveling what not.
There are just numerous possibilities about some of these things and things you seem to think carry more weight for you, just don't for some of the rest of us.
Will you at least agree Mickey that Rob could easily avoided all this, by offering just a little bit of supporting documentation of which he says he has discarded. He says "he knew there would be skeptics", but yet, intentionally discarded the prove that would have ended any and all speculation. Does that make sense to you mickey?
I'm not a big fan of the Old Testament God.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerBetter hurry up. I'm 70 years old, tomorrow's operation has a 6-10 week healing timeframe....and the gun grease is growing mold.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Me personally, I don't abide by the old Italian rules and regs, if you know what I mean. Some folks are more Exodus 34:7 and Deuteronomy 5:9 kinds of people. Oh yeah, and Numbers 14:18.
Singer has perfected the art of manipulation and never does he accept challenges from his peers or provide proof of any of his nonsense.
Excellent point Kj! Yeah, when the public was made aware of it was four years later with the wire.com article in 2013. Most didn’t know about it in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJKane got busted in 2009, but I don't believe that is when the story really broke, is it? I mean the story most often referenced is dated 2013, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I am not going to say it was a coincidence. But lets do some math. Rob just turned 70 last month. So in 2009, he would have just turned 60 and his wife was on the verge of retiring (according to Rob), so that may have just been a point that his life was changing from having a lot of time by himself, "gambling" to spending more time with his wife and their combined retirement of traveling what not.
There are just numerous possibilities about some of these things and things you seem to think carry more weight for you, just don't for some of the rest of us.
Will you at least agree Mickey that Rob could easily avoided all this, by offering just a little bit of supporting documentation of which he says he has discarded. He says "he knew there would be skeptics", but yet, intentionally discarded the prove that would have ended any and all speculation. Does that make sense to you mickey?
Also, Rob’s statue of limitations argument never made sense to me. The statue of limitations for this type of crime runs out in 5 years. Why wait 10 years? Rob gives no good explanation for why he waited so long, other than to say he wanted to be extra careful before he came forward with it. If that’s the case, then he would have never revealed it. If he thinks he can be prosecuted for a crime four years past the statue of limitations, why not six years, why not 10 years, why not 20 years? It sounds like Rob doesn’t believe in our laws anyway.
None of it makes any sense. Of course it does to Mickey because he found a new friend. Now he’s the biggest defender of a story that doesn’t add up. Interesting, to say the least.
Btw, I have a feeling Mickey is not going to let me collect on his $1,000 cash reward. I guess there is no reason to send in my application then. All that work for nothing. Lol. I was playing both sides. I didn’t think the story was true, but if it was I wanted to see if I could collect the cash reward. It was a tricky game to play.
If Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane was caught and the memo warning casinos to disable DU was issued but long before those facts were public knowledge, that supports his story. It doesn't weaken it as KJ seems to think...
It’s amazing how KJ continues to not be able to zero in on important aspects of Rob’s story. Rob said he walked into a casino in 2009 and requested they activate the double up. He was told they had received a memo from IGT telling them to turn off the double ups. Rob would have instantly known the jig was up. And it was at this time he announced his retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
Oh who even cares? This topic had played itself out until Rob resurrected it desiring more attention.
Only thing I even care about today is that Rob's medical situation goes well, he grows healthy and is around to advise us all for many more decades. :rolleyes:
Wow.
What’s Rob’s recent health situation or whatever?
Natural causesQuote:
Originally Posted by RS__
He's old
Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was just a coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!
Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.
Columbo Crimm
It's not the only evidence. You have forgotten that he seems to know exactly how the play works which is information that nobody has been able to show was ever publicized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.
There's also the general plausibility of his story and the fact that nobody has been able to poke a hole in it.
Of course it could be a hoax but if it is Rob is doing a very good job with it.
By the way, many people have poked holes in Rob’s story. Have you been reading any of the posts on this thread? Many of the things Rob keeps repeating is in the wire.com article. I’ve read the article about 100 times so I spot it when Rob says something. As many have already pointed out, many people knew the exact play, so big deal. It’s 10 years later. Why do you think it’s such a big deal Rob knew the exact play? That doesn’t prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerIt's not the only evidence. You have forgotten that he seems to know exactly how the play works which is information that nobody has been able to show was ever publicized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.
There's also the general plausibility of his story and the fact that nobody has been able to poke a hole in it.
Of course it could be a hoax but if it is Rob is doing a very good job with it.
Kj made a good point. Both sides are anchored in. Those in Mickey’s camp who believe he did it, and those in Kj’s camp who question if he did it and are learning torwards he made it up to gain attention. In my camp, I straight up don’t believe his story. I can’t prove it, but I don’t believe it. Call it using “common sense”. There are too many things Rob has said that throw up red flags. It’s not proof, but for me it makes his story unbelievable.
In the end, it really doesn’t matter. People can believe what they want. I mean there are still people out there that believe Big Foot is real. Does that effect me? No. Am I going to spend my time telling them they’re wrong. No. Hey, some people still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. People, including Mickey, are free to believe whatever they want. It sounds like this is very important to Mickey. It’s become his cause. In fact, I think it’s good he’s found something that gives his life meaning.
I just don't see that as proof of anything. I think you are giving to much weight to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I wish you wouldn't draw those lines of "Mickey's camp" and "kewlj's camp". That is not what it is....at least to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
Mickey believes one thing and one or two people have spoken up in agreement. I happen to believe something else and at least a few people have similar questions. It's not a war or battle. Everyone is free to decide for themselves just how credible they find Rob and this story.
Again, there wouldn't be any question if Rob had some supporting documentation. Just seems strange that he claims to have discarded anything like that when he himself says he knew there would be skeptics.
You have to say that because you intend not give weight to any of the evidence. It will draw you to a conclusion you can't possible live with.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
As best I could I took an unbiased look at the evidence. YOU DIDN'T! You started with a conclusion and looked for every way you could to back up that conclusion including twisting up facts several times. You absolutely don't want it to be true. You couldn't stand it if it were true. You just want it reallly bad to not be true. All of this is why you have no credibility.
I remember taking a lot of heat for taking your side in your issue with Shack. I was petty much the only one standing up for you. Did I have a "lack of objectivity" then? Did I have "blinders" on then. Was I "impressed" with you then? Was I gullible and naive then? They weren't the exact words but I was accused of all of that in defending you. Was I wrong to go against the grain then?
Well, here I am going against the grain again. And the first thing you do is attack my credibility. You didn't attack it when I was going against the grain in defense of you.
In a reply to bob21 KJ wrote:
I wish you wouldn't draw those lines of "Mickey's camp" and "kewlj's camp".
KJ, with Bob it is all about instigating others for the purpose of entertaining himself.
Mickey, you defended me because I was right. And I respect that you find Rob credible. I really do. As a matter of fact I think my very first statement on the matter was something along the line that because you and Axelwolf found Rob credible that I accepted his claim.
But the more he has said, the more some things don't add up for me. So despite that I continue to have great respect for both you and Axel, does that mean I don't get an opinion as to whether I find Rob credible or not? Me and everyone else have that right too and it isn't a slap or disrespect towards you.
That I can't live with it is silly. That sounds like Rob talking. Rob thinks and wants everyone to be thinking and talking about him. He thrives on that attention.
I don't hate Rob. Yes I got pissed at the things he said about me and others including you. That is not how decent people talk or behave. But I get over things.
So whether Rob did or didn't make this play doesn't effect me or my life one iota. But that doesn't mean I don't get to have my opinion. And my opinion is that I see nothing that comes close to supporting this claim. But I do see many unanswered questions, red flags and things that don't make sense to me and others. I also see many years of untruthfulness and trolling of everyone with claims that were untrue, including what was proven to be a phony 200k jackpot picture just weeks before this claim.
I am not going to ignore all that. For me this boy has cried "wolf" too many times. I am not going to believe him until I see the Wolf. And that is HIS fault. He is the one that destroyed his own credibity
Mickey, please go back and reread your own posts. The above quote is from you. It’s post #897. From this post, I can tell you don’t have a basic understanding of the difference between “evidence” and “coincidence”. You use these two words interchangeably. A “coincidence” is not “evidence”. This is what you’re laying your hat on...a “coincidence”, and you keep calling it “evidence”. It’s not!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re clearly not a lawyer. I can see now why Rob went to you with his story. He knew you’d believe it. There are many, many red flags with his story and no evidence. Rob himself said he didn’t keep any evidence or records of this play, so why do you keep on saying there is “evidence”? There is none! It’s that simple!
I can tell this is very important to you, so you need to believe it for your own piece of mind. As for the rest of us, we’ll make up our own mind. Please accept that too.
Bosox, you’re just upset with me because I didn’t give you a “camp”. I’m sorry I can’t give you a “camp” because you’re a follower. To get your own “camp”, you’ve got to be a leader and have an independent thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
As far as entertaining myself that is not my goal. I’m not that selfish. I also like to entertain Moses over there on zenzone. He’s been putting out some high quality stuff lately. Hope you’ve been keeping up.
Everyone else said you were wrong. I defended you in the face of that. You didn't attack my credibility then. Why are you doing it now? It's the same thing. I went against the grain then and I'm going against the grain now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
BTW, stop quoting that babbling idiot, boob21. The block doesn't work on quotes. Anyone quotes him I have to skip over that post. I don't have time for the imbecilic.
You aren't giving it any weight at all. It has to be a coincidence to you because that is what supports your pre-drawn narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI just don't see that as proof of anything. I think you are giving to much weight to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
PLEASE REREAD MY POSTS CAREFULLY REGARDING THIS MATTER. DON'T GO SAYING THINGS THAT ARE NOT WHAT I SAID.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I think everyone should put up or shut up. How much are you willing to Put up KJ? Is Rob willing to take a polygraph test? if so, THE people who think it's a lie can pay for the test if he passes, if he fails it, he pays. He should require people to make a wager regarding the outcome.
I think Rob should be able to provide some records if he wanted to. Bank records should be available since we are talking Millions of dollars, at some point the money was spent, deposited, or the money is still in his floor safe. I know the IRS can go back significantly longer than people generally think, 20 or 30 years depending on the situation. Rob could ask the IRS and banks for the information if he wanted to. There must at least be paperwork and transaction reports on the RV. There could be an independent auditor hired to do the Job and reveal the results.
There would really be no reason to do so, unless there was a nice wager on the line. If no one is willing to do this including Rob then everyone should just move on.
For the record AxelWolf, passing a polygraph test doesn’t prove anything. People who have no moral compass or lie routinely pass them all the time. There is a reason our courts don’t allow polygraph tests as proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
For the record AxelWolf, passing a polygraph test doesn’t prove anything. People who have no moral compass or lie routinely pass them all the time. There is a reason our courts don’t allow polygraph tests as proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
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Originally Posted by Bob21For the record AxelWolf, passing a polygraph test doesn’t prove anything. People who have no moral compass or lie routinely pass them all the time. There is a reason our courts don’t allow polygraph tests as proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
It's interesting you guys mention this, for a number of reasons. First, "Singer" has said on multiple occasions that he has been trained to pass polygraph tests. Second, what Bob21 says is partly correct and partly incorrect. Courts don't allow polygraphs primarily due to the overabundance of false positives, not false negatives. People test as having lied when they have not much more often than they test as being truthful when actually lying. Third, if you check my old website on the wayback machine, I offered to take a polygraph for all potential clients regarding anything I claimed. This was back in the 80's and early 90's. And fourth, when good old Rob was on some kick that I wasn't me, I offered to take a polygraph with the same rules Axel mentioned -- if I pass, the other dude pays. If I fail, I pay.
Also, I had an interesting experience with a friend who had been in the military stationed overseas. He was a business logistics Penn State grad. When a pharmaceutical firm interviewed him, they asked him questions about drug use. Well, he had used this and that, but only in legal environments in other countries. So the firm, which wanted to hire him, wound up torturously phrasing questions like, "Other than when visiting the Netherlands when in the army, did you ever use marijuana?" It was a mess. The machine can't help much with two and three part questions with subordinate clauses. Anyway, he was hired.
For it to fit his narrative KJ will "believe" Rob was trained to pass lie detector tests. But nothing else in this story unless it hurts Rob's case.
This is wrong Mickey. YOU are the one with a pre-drawn narrative. You have your reasons for believing Singer based on things he said, I presume. Unless he revealed something to you privately that he and you haven't revealed to the rest of us, I don't see anything that backs up his claim. Or maybe one or two small co-incidenses such as he announced his retirement in 2009?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
BUT you have ignored inconsistencies that have raised questions for not just myself but many, even since this claim, sticking with that pre-drawn narrative even in the face of new questions.
I am not going to post quotes from your PM's but I would encourage you to go back and re-read your very first Pm and several other early PM after I joined the site, where you were explaining to me what a liar and manipulator Rob Singer (who I was not familiar with) is and how he never shows proof while demanding from others, never backs down from his lies. and is never to be trusted.
Seems like Rob deciding to make nice with you, has made you forget who you thought Rob is/was. Rob is a great manipulator. And that buttering up act that he did publicly with both you and Axel just prior to this claim going public was the ultimate Singer manipulation play. Rob needs supporters, enablers, for his claims to have any traction. Alan played that role for a long time.
I am not going to keep going back and forth. You are free to believe whatever you like. At the risk of seeing you fly off the handle, I think you are being played Mickey and someday you will look back and acknowledge that. If Singer had this greatest of claims, greatest of AP plays that he had been sitting on, and he KNEW there would be skeptics, as he claims, he would have preserved and provided some supporting documentation. BUT he didn't, just as the 'old mickey' told me privately from day one. He provided no proof and as a matter of fact he claims he destroyed or got rid of the proof. How odd? Do you not find that odd Mick?
I am not going to make some 6 figure wager because I don't care that much. whether this claim is or isn't true doesn't effect my life. And more importantly, I see no way that I can be proven right or proven wrong. Singer claims he got rid of all supporting documentation. Is it now going to suddenly appear?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfPLEASE REREAD MY POSTS CAREFULLY REGARDING THIS MATTER. DON'T GO SAYING THINGS THAT ARE NOT WHAT I SAID.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I think everyone should put up or shut up. How much are you willing to Put up KJ? Is Rob willing to take a polygraph test? if so, THE people who think it's a lie can pay for the test if he passes, if he fails it, he pays. He should require people to make a wager regarding the outcome.
I think Rob should be able to provide some records if he wanted to. Bank records should be available since we are talking Millions of dollars, at some point the money was spent, deposited, or the money is still in his floor safe. I know the IRS can go back significantly longer than people generally think, 20 or 30 years depending on the situation. Rob could ask the IRS and banks for the information if he wanted to. There must at least be paperwork and transaction reports on the RV. There could be an independent auditor hired to do the Job and reveal the results.
There would really be no reason to do so, unless there was a nice wager on the line. If no one is willing to do this including Rob then everyone should just move on.
I would be willing to make a small wager five figures because I trust my gut that this is just another Singer hoax....THAT much! That would sort of be an advantage wager in my mind. But as just mentioned, I see no way to prove or disprove to satisfaction in either way. Showing proof of large ticket items purchased doesn't do it, because according to Singer these things are in childrens name (most likely because the children bought them, themselves. lol). I also am not disputing that Singer had a high paying carreer, along with his wife and may have accumulated some wealth. So the purchase of some "things" proves nothing.
Axel, since you claim I keep mis-characterizing your view, could you clarify and share with us what your current position is in this matter. Based on everything said both before (his many false claims) and after this claim....Do you believe Rob played the double up glitch for 6 years, making 3 million dollars? Have things said since raised red flags for yoy? do you see any inconsistencies in his story/claim?
I ask you people to keep in mind Rob's history. The many many proven untrue claims, including the 200k jackpot just weeks before as well as the Singer video poker system. These are NOT separate issues because they show a pattern. Hell he has doubled down on that mathematically impossible VP strategy claim SINCE. lol This whole thing is simply another Singer hoax.
I will be away from computer for a couple days. One of my travel companions has had such a sheltered life he has never even seen an ocean. Now that the sun has shown on the east coast I intend to change that with a weekend in Wildwood. :cool:
Has this episode changed anyone's lives? Is it useful anymore? For the record, I comb the internet and also keep my eyes open for ANYTHING- just as Rob claims- that will better my results. After trial and error I either discard or modify to suit my needs. As for credibility- I would keep whatever to myself. Why? Well- what happened when the glitch occurred and loose lips got back to the casinos?
I think he had surgery to have Mickey`s lips removed from his buttQuote:
Originally Posted by RS__
I'm no longer woozy from the foot surgery. I guess it came out well because that's what they tell me. I broke it in 1998 in Vienna jumping off the bed as I was celebrating a goal in an NHL playoff broadcast game. I forgot there was a coffee cup lying on its side on the floor and I landed on it. I heard something crack and I thought it was the mug. It wasn't. Now I pay.
Axel I've checked on the phones, online,and via my daughter's ex at the IRS and there is no way to get records that old. They destroy records after 7 years except when there's ongoing fraud investigations or large corporation years-long audits.
There are records of major purchases but that wouldn't serve as proof of this play. We could have bought these things anyway and I think kew already eliminated that route. The cash that remains isn't much.
As for the lie detector test I already offered that, but it is also true I have training (albeit, in the mid-'70's) on how to render the results non-conclusive. It's not how they depict these things on TV either.
Why don't we just use kew as our lie-detector....he seems to know EVERYTHING. just like a teenager!
Kew, the $200,000 jackpot was not a hoax as I've already explained. I embellished slightly. It was not mine, but I made a nice upper-70's K profit on the play because I went in $20k apiece with a friend. He took home just under $120k which was our deal because he got the signer. He was playing it and I watched. So where's the hoax? I also won $375k playing my SPS over four years. Where's the hoax?
Do you dream of me even on vacation?
Looing forward to Columbo Crimm and old man Singer giving us some current plays we can make money with.
The past is over
There you go again kew, making up story after story because you're so nervous over this.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJKane got busted in 2009, but I don't believe that is when the story really broke, is it? I mean the story most often referenced is dated 2013, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I am not going to say it was a coincidence. But lets do some math. Rob just turned 70 last month. So in 2009, he would have just turned 60 and his wife was on the verge of retiring (according to Rob), so that may have just been a point that his life was changing from having a lot of time by himself, "gambling" to spending more time with his wife and their combined retirement of traveling what not.
There are just numerous possibilities about some of these things and things you seem to think carry more weight for you, just don't for some of the rest of us.
Will you at least agree Mickey that Rob could easily avoided all this, by offering just a little bit of supporting documentation of which he says he has discarded. He says "he knew there would be skeptics", but yet, intentionally discarded the prove that would have ended any and all speculation. Does that make sense to you mickey?
Kane got busted in 2009. I've said numerous times that the Silverton HL room is where I first heard about it,and that's where I saw the IGT "worldwide memo". It's also when I walked away from the play for good. Someone like mickey has seen me post this--why don't you ever see these facts?
Next debunk: My wife had no intentions of retiring when I was 60. In fact, she worked until the end of 2011, and even if I had quit at 60 she was planning on working until she was 65. If I were really playing my strategy the last 6 years I wouldn't have minded retiring from that at 60. That feeling, however, disappeared when this play was humming along. And because I was making so much vp money my wife retired 6 years early.
Next debunk: There was no reason for me to have cared about saving "documentation" on this (whatever that would be--you couldn't name it or it's precise value here anyway) because that's not something you worry about when playing in a situation such as that. I knew the play had to end sometime but I played on as if it wouldn't. I also never cared about or expected to release this information at any time. Count yourself lucky that I did it during your lifetime.
Why don't you put as much effort into having sympathy for my pain and suffering over this foot issue? I had a smaller operation on it 2 years ago, then I destroyed it when I jumped off the ladder on my RV outside of Flagstaff, which is why I had to call axel instead of meeting him.
Please enlighten on beating the lie detector. Have you ever used it? Sounds like a Singer Advantage Play. You ought to write a book. I'm sure they'll turn it into a movie. You could call it "How to beat the Odds".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
You don't "beat" it you confuse it. You go in with fairly sharp rocks in your shoes and squeeze them between your toes. You alternate feet every 3rd question. You first throw it off by rendering confusion on a simple set-up question. That was then. Now it may be different due to technology, and I'm sure the countermeasures are also different.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmePlease enlighten on beating the lie detector. Have you ever used it? Sounds like a Singer Advantage Play. You ought to write a book. I'm sure they'll turn it into a movie. You could call it "How to beat the Odds".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I saw a true crime show based on archival footage where a teenaged murderer passed a lie detector using a technique he found on the internet. They explained the technique and though I doubt it works in every case it's very simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmePlease enlighten on beating the lie detector. Have you ever used it? Sounds like a Singer Advantage Play. You ought to write a book. I'm sure they'll turn it into a movie. You could call it "How to beat the Odds".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Going to hold off saying what it is if people want to discuss the issue first.
I hadn't read this because I have Rob blocked (sorry Rob). I just click on his posts to read them when based on their timing I think they will be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou don't "beat" it you confuse it. You go in with fairly sharp rocks in your shoes and squeeze them between your toes. You alternate feet every 3rd question. You first throw it off by rendering confusion on a simple set-up question. That was then. Now it may be different due to technology, and I'm sure the countermeasures are also different.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmePlease enlighten on beating the lie detector. Have you ever used it? Sounds like a Singer Advantage Play. You ought to write a book. I'm sure they'll turn it into a movie. You could call it "How to beat the Odds".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The technique I am familiar with is the same basic idea but more elegant.
The way lie detectors work is they take a baseline reading of various vital signs, e.g. heart rate and blood pressure. The baseline is what your vitals are when you're answering innocuous questions like what year it is or who is the President.
They then move into the heavy questions like "did you kill X" and look for a change in your vitals signifying distress.
Most people lying about something serious while hooked up to a lie detector can't help feeling distress. So the trick is to agitate your vital signs as much as possible during the baseline reading and then during the serious questions to minimize the effect of the distress caused by fear of being caught lying.
The technique for doing this: strain your sphincter as hard as possible. That means using the muscles you would use to defecate as hard as you can and holding them that way throughout both the baseline and the real questions.
That straining apparently raises your blood pressure and whatever else they measure in way that is consistent and overpowers whatever deviations are caused by stress.
Well then. If I ever have to beat a lie detector I'll just put rocks in my sphincter and have all the bases covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerThe technique for doing this: strain your sphincter as hard as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou don't "beat" it you confuse it. You go in with fairly sharp rocks in your shoes and squeeze them between your toes. .Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
Nh.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeWell then. If I ever have to beat a lie detector I'll just put rocks in my sphincter and have all the bases covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerThe technique for doing this: strain your sphincter as hard as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
KJ tells me you suck a mean dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneI think he had surgery to have Mickey`s lips removed from his buttQuote:
Originally Posted by RS__
The only thing I find odd is your inability to forget the bullshit and move on. Even if Rob produced W2-G's, which you have requested, you would just say so what, it doesn't prove anything. Rob has a pretty tight story. His detailed strategy on the glitch is now up on Alan's website. I can't find another strategy for it published anywhere on the internet, except for the false strategy published in Wired. So Rob is the only person to publicly display a detailed strategy for the game king bug. All you have to do is find the people that taught Rob the strategy. I put up a reward for anyone to come forward and convincingly show they were in contact Rob and taught him the strategy. At least I am doing something. You aren't doing anything to find these people just running your mouth with generalizations of why it can't be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThis is wrong Mickey. YOU are the one with a pre-drawn narrative. You have your reasons for believing Singer based on things he said, I presume. Unless he revealed something to you privately that he and you haven't revealed to the rest of us, I don't see anything that backs up his claim. Or maybe one or two small co-incidenses such as he announced his retirement in 2009?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
BUT you have ignored inconsistencies that have raised questions for not just myself but many, even since this claim, sticking with that pre-drawn narrative even in the face of new questions.
I am not going to post quotes from your PM's but I would encourage you to go back and re-read your very first Pm and several other early PM after I joined the site, where you were explaining to me what a liar and manipulator Rob Singer (who I was not familiar with) is and how he never shows proof while demanding from others, never backs down from his lies. and is never to be trusted.
Seems like Rob deciding to make nice with you, has made you forget who you thought Rob is/was. Rob is a great manipulator. And that buttering up act that he did publicly with both you and Axel just prior to this claim going public was the ultimate Singer manipulation play. Rob needs supporters, enablers, for his claims to have any traction. Alan played that role for a long time.
I am not going to keep going back and forth. You are free to believe whatever you like. At the risk of seeing you fly off the handle, I think you are being played Mickey and someday you will look back and acknowledge that. If Singer had this greatest of claims, greatest of AP plays that he had been sitting on, and he KNEW there would be skeptics, as he claims, he would have preserved and provided some supporting documentation. BUT he didn't, just as the 'old mickey' told me privately from day one. He provided no proof and as a matter of fact he claims he destroyed or got rid of the proof. How odd? Do you not find that odd Mick?
Alan brought up the point that Rob's strategy has not been proven. So that's another area for you to look into to continue your story of non-belief. Or for anyone else to come forward and say it's not the correct strategy.
I probably know more plays than any AP out there. But those that insult me then expect that I will teach them are idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Haha....I hear Rob says the same about you...especially when you take your teeth out and put on that shiny peppermint lip glossQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKJ tells me you suck a mean dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneI think he had surgery to have Mickey`s lips removed from his buttQuote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Keystone, have you ever made a positive contribution here? Nope. Just a troll. Small litlle man with a short dick. Get you're jollies trolling when you're not sucking KJ's dick. But don't feel like the lone ranger. I'm thru making positive contributions here too. Idiots on here, including you, insult me then think I'm going to teach them a play or something. LOL! GTFO, you goofball fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneHaha....I hear Rob says the same about you...especially when you take your teeth out and put on that shiny peppermint lip glossQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKJ tells me you suck a mean dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
WTF is a valuable contribution on a GAMBLING site, taking pictures of casinos in Buttsquirt New Mexico, and talking about WOV?....you`re easily the most vile person on here and have had more beefs with different people than I have limbs.....and please refresh my memory when I ever asked you to teach me anything, Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKeystone, have you ever made a positive contribution here? Nope. Just a troll. Small litlle man with a short dick. Get you're jollies trolling when you're not sucking KJ's dick. But don't feel like the lone ranger. I'm thru making positive contributions here too. Idiots on here, including you, insult me then think I'm going to teach them play or something. LOL! GTFO, you goofball fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneHaha....I hear Rob says the same about you...especially when you take your teeth out and put on that shiny peppermint lip glossQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
FOH asswipe
I'll make this easy because it's for kew. I've already completely debunked several of your assertions about me and now I'm gonna make you feel even worse.
From what I've seen you've searched far and wide as if your life depended on it, trying to find somebody somewhere whom I supposedly got the exact play sequence from. Have you located that mysterious person? Doesn't the mere fact that you are unable to find this guy make you feel stupid? And doesn't the fact that I used IRS regulations for tossing old tax returns--instead of why you claim I did it when I had no reason to see into the future--make you feel even worse?
I give you permission to think and stay jealous and irritated about me all the days of your life.
Cry me a river.
BTW, here's Alan's link kew if you want to feel real bad.
http://alanbestbuys.com/id362.html
Keystone, you’re definitely my favorite insulter (or some call it trolling) on the internet. Either way very entertaining. You have some really good one-liners. Mickey doesn’t have a chance against you. I mean Mickey doesn’t even know the difference between the words coincidence and evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneWTF is a valuable contribution on a GAMBLING site, taking pictures of casinos in Buttsquirt New Mexico, and talking about WOV?....you`re easily the most vile person on here and have had more beefs with different people than I have limbs.....and please refresh my memory when I ever asked you to teach me anything, Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKeystone, have you ever made a positive contribution here? Nope. Just a troll. Small litlle man with a short dick. Get you're jollies trolling when you're not sucking KJ's dick. But don't feel like the lone ranger. I'm thru making positive contributions here too. Idiots on here, including you, insult me then think I'm going to teach them play or something. LOL! GTFO, you goofball fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
FOH asswipe
Since Mickey has me on ignore, he said the only way he can read my posts is if someone responds to them and keeps my content. So someone will have to respond to this post to give Mickey the privilege of reading it. Lol
LOL! The troll doesn't like being trolled. Hits a big nerve doesn't it, assclown. A little man trying to be a big man. Won't work for ya. Little pea brained idiots are always little pea brained idiots. Don't have anymore time to waste on ya so you are going on block with smallboobs21. You should have a lot of fun babbling idiocies back and forth with smallboobs21. That is, if you can get your nose out of KJ's ass long enough, brown noser. You be blocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneWTF is a valuable contribution on a GAMBLING site, taking pictures of casinos in Buttsquirt New Mexico, and talking about WOV?....you`re easily the most vile person on here and have had more beefs with different people than I have limbs.....and please refresh my memory when I ever asked you to teach me anything, Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKeystone, have you ever made a positive contribution here? Nope. Just a troll. Small litlle man with a short dick. Get you're jollies trolling when you're not sucking KJ's dick. But don't feel like the lone ranger. I'm thru making positive contributions here too. Idiots on here, including you, insult me then think I'm going to teach them play or something. LOL! GTFO, you goofball fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
FOH asswipe
Thanks, that makes sense. I hope Rob has a speedy and full recovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneI think he had surgery to have Mickey`s lips removed from his buttQuote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Never thought you would turn out to be a piece of shit. The libtards over at WoV are right about you. Can't stand an opposing opinion. So you are going on block too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Oh no, not the “block”! Lol. Mickey are you really going to give another member the “block”? Some call it the “ignore”. I haven’t been an AP long, but I’ve learned this is the most server punishment one AP can do to another. It’s almost equivalent to the death penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmLOL! The troll doesn't like being trolled. Hits a big nerve doesn't it, assclown. A little man trying to be a big man. Won't work for ya. Little pea brained idiots are always little pea brained idiots. Don't have anymore time to waste on ya so you are going on block with smallboobs21. You should have a lot of fun babbling idiocies back and forth with smallboobs21. That is, if you can get your nose out of KJ's ass long enough, brown noser. You be blocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneWTF is a valuable contribution on a GAMBLING site, taking pictures of casinos in Buttsquirt New Mexico, and talking about WOV?....you`re easily the most vile person on here and have had more beefs with different people than I have limbs.....and please refresh my memory when I ever asked you to teach me anything, Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
FOH asswipe
And now gullible Mickey has put someone else on “block”. Say it isn’t so Mickey. I’m still trying to recover since Mickey put me on ignore or block or whatever. It’s one of the most traumatic things that has ever happened in my life. And now Mickey is doing it to someone else. That’s cruel, but I guess Mickey knows best. Hopefully, Keystone will be able to deal with the trauma this can cause someone.
I'm just about through here. This site has really gone downhill. And it's not because of Rob. It's because of all the assclowns that have always blamed Rob for the trolling when in fact they are and have been much worse. No truces, just constant trolling. They cant give it up. They want to keep this site in a constant troll war. Very small and petty people.
I'll still comment on the double up bug but that's about it. No more constructive stuff. No more advice on machine plays. No more road pics. Twitter is a much better site. You block someone there you never hear from them again. Here everytime they make a post you get a "the person you have blocked made a post" bullshit. Why the fuck would I want to know that? Like I said, piece of shit site with piece of shit people. And I'm not talking about Rob's faction.
I spend too much time making money to worry about the BS here. And even when I'm not in a casino, I'm out enjoying life. Give the computers a rest people.
Thanks Bob (I think lol).....looks like I`ve been blocked as well....not sure how I`m gonna go on, but I`m gonna try....thought the Mick had some tougher skin than that but oh wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Keystone, you’re definitely my favorite insulter (or some call it trolling) on the internet. Either way very entertaining. You have some really good one-liners. Mickey doesn’t have a chance against you. I mean Mickey doesn’t even know the difference between the words coincidence and evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneWTF is a valuable contribution on a GAMBLING site, taking pictures of casinos in Buttsquirt New Mexico, and talking about WOV?....you`re easily the most vile person on here and have had more beefs with different people than I have limbs.....and please refresh my memory when I ever asked you to teach me anything, Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
FOH asswipe
Since Mickey has me on ignore, he said the only way he can read my posts is if someone responds to them and keeps my content. So someone will have to respond to this post to give Mickey the privilege of reading it. Lol
Really? I have no worries about the BS you people concoct around here, I take home $5000/mo. and spend no time at all doing it, I'm rarely in casinos since I've already made 10,000x what someone like you fabricates, and I am enjoying life a whole lot more than grumpy 'ol you even though for the next two months I'll be wearing a cast and zipping around on a knee scooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
And I know what free play is all about :)
Sure, whatever you say.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerReally? I have no worries about the BS you people concoct around here, I take home $5000/mo. and spend no time at all doing it, I'm rarely in casinos since I've already made 10,000x what someone like you fabricates, and I am enjoying life a whole lot more than grumpy 'ol you even though for the next two months I'll be wearing a cast and zipping around on a knee scooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
And I know what free play is all about :)
Oh one more thing. How does the fact that any SS taxes you're paying goes straight into my hands! And how about getting a 2nd job. The SS fund needs a good injection and I'd like to keep getting my monthly deposits.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbSure, whatever you say.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerReally? I have no worries about the BS you people concoct around here, I take home $5000/mo. and spend no time at all doing it, I'm rarely in casinos since I've already made 10,000x what someone like you fabricates, and I am enjoying life a whole lot more than grumpy 'ol you even though for the next two months I'll be wearing a cast and zipping around on a knee scooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
And I know what free play is all about :)
Now go back to your being "out enjoying life" like you just were with that last post. I wonder what a dead day is like for you.....
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Originally Posted by Bob21Bosox, you’re just upset with me because I didn’t give you a “camp”. I’m sorry I can’t give you a “camp” because you’re a follower. To get your own “camp”, you’ve got to be a leader and have an independent thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Bpb, I have my own opinion on all of this bullshit. First I do not think that Rob Singer discovered the bug and exploited it for five years. The reason I think that I deserve my own camp is because regardless if that story is true or not I simply could care less. In my mind Singer will be always considered a low life son of a bitch, and it does not matter if he won 3 million or 10 million on the glitch or was lying. Rob, and Mickey have settled all of their past internet battles, that is all fine and dandy good for them. However neither of them get to answer for anyone else on this board. As far as I am concerned I will NEVER accept the behavior of Singer for his past history in regards to Mickey, KJ, Reditz, and someone named Arci who posted before I joined. Way too much length of time this hatred took place for me to reconsider my thoughts even if Rob gave a public apology to all of the above. Even if that was to happen I would have to groan behind the lack of sincerity behind the insecure little man.
Message from the Island.
"Ok Bob. Give Bosox his own camp. How about the "blind leading the blind" camp? That being said, I would like my own camp as well. Call it the "who really gives a fuck, but it's funny as hell" camp."
Regarding your own camp Moses you are right nobody gives a fuck that you are stuck alone in your own monastery and it is a funny as hell camp.
Okay Bosox, I’ve come full circle. I’m with Moses on this one. I’ve decided to give you your own camp, and I do agree you do think for yourself...most the time. But you do jump on the Freightman bandwagon way too often. This is something you’ll need to work on if you want to keep your camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
One thing I respect about you is that you’ve never asked for me to be banned or censored, like Mickey and his camp. You just call me a lowlife and a couple other not so nice names, but I’m good with that. It’s what you think. Can’t blame someone for thinking, right?
As for me, I don’t have a camp. I’m a lone wolf, mostly being attacked by all camps, those on the right, the left, and in the middle. About my only supporter - and it’s only sometimes - is Moses. But hey, when you’re a lone wolf, I’ll take it.
So I hope this settles the camp discussion once and for all. You win, you got your camp. Good job!
Hey, apologies for necro'ing this thread, but I was researching it today and happened to stumble on Rob's posts and article where he exploited the Kane/Nestor VP machine glitch. Something felt wrong to me, and I eventually found this related thread from 2013:
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...heating-or-not
Any thoughts?