i suppose that is understandable.
Have you tried begging for Bingo bucks via PM?
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OK, maybe time to "think outside the box."
Maybe you could position yourself at a convenient spot where the cars entering and leaving the casino access the roadway: hold up a cardboard sign reading to the effect "Busted out, anything helps. God bless."
I see many people in Portland doing something like that, usually at freeway offramps, (but they don't say "busted out") so I guess it must work.
As a fallback of course there is always the world's oldest profession, which I assume has been quite effective for many gamblin' lasses.
Is the new math "1 BJ = 10 Bingo cards?"
Got it.
But...are you above roadside begging?
Or maybe you could beg people for money while they are pumping gas?
Better yet...do a "Gofundme:" say you need money to fund a private experiment in statistics and risk/reward benefit.
Clearly you are willing to beg; the question is how to best successfully channel your zeal.
Politics equals money. What else to say?
Will be heading outside, in about an hour, to check it out. Will be about 99.1 totality here, but, there's quite a few clouds.
If you don't hear anymore about it, then not a hell of a lot happened here. Ha.
Skies are clearing, fast.
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Not too bad, but it never got dark enough here to remove the glasses to look at it, that a couple of the others handed out. Around half of the daylight, for a few minutes.
Post of the day!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...od/#post924269
The thread topic is YouTube slot advisors, particularly the ones who claim special expertise due to their slot tech background.
A guy from the "Gamble Smart" channel joined in and, although not a complete retard, spewed a few of the usual superstitions such as RTP doesn't matter in the short term, and gamblers lose because they don't know when to quit.
That was too much for "Mental," who APs slots at online casinos. He unloaded:
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I have read two of your long posts on WOV. I really feel you don't understand a single thing about gambling for entertainment or gambling for advantage. You really have no business advising newbie gamblers or aspiring AP gamblers. But, your business model relies on dispensing nonsense, so go for it.
Mental (yes, what a name - he didn't realize it means retarded?) spends all day long every day pushing dem buttons, virtually or in person, on machines, so I'd hope he knows something about them - but what he doesn't know how to do, is express himself in other than long convoluted repetitive paragraphs. He certainly has no place complaining about "long" posts.
Mental is basically one of those "forest for the trees" types.
The discussion at WoV is just another of the ongoing discussions of gambling math vs gambling voodoo. The guy that posts as Mental is an advantage player. I don't know exactly what he does, but I have read enough to know that his play follows the basic formula or principals of advantage play. And that is you find something that has a return greater than 100%, make sure you are getting an honest game (meaning not being cheated) and put in enough trials to overcome any possibility of negative variance preventing you winning. And with enough trials your results will be pretty close to expectation, less whatever mistakes you make. That is all advantage play is, no matter what exactly the AP is doing to get that advantage (better than 100% return). :rolleyes:
On the other side of these discussions are players that claim all sorts of things that defy that very math. Every branch of the long disproven voodoo gambling tree is represented, from progression wagering overcoming the math, to "special plays", to all sorts of betting systems that enable a player to won by "betting into hot streaks", (or cold streaks....martingales). Also included is that short term positive variance can be duplicated over and over. Basically every voodoo gambling concept under the sun vs the mathematics.
So that discussion is just de ja vue all over again. (Yogi Berra) :D
What is interesting is that Mdawg in his ever trolling way, immediately jumped to a slang definition of "mental" equating to retarded, as in "he is mental he is retarded".
The actual definition of mental is relating to the mind or of the mind, meaning his name or handle is a reflection of a cerebral approach to winning based on the math. Again, this is what advantage play is.
AinQ, we are doing a lot of traveling working a play right now, but I have been home this weekend. Heading out on another trip tomorrow. Looks like this forum is thriving without me posting regularly. VCT is as a live and vibrant as our presidential candidates (both of them), including the guy that can't stay awake during his trial. :D
Just out of curiosity AinQ (not that I expect an honest answer), but how many hours do you put in at the bar these days? Not judging. Whatever floats your boat.
Kew--people who are retarded have also been referred to as mental. Usually as a good mock. Anyone living in the real world would know that.
Similarly, anyone who believes someone can "advantage slot play" online unregulated foreign-run casinos for profit because they somehow "know" they're involved in >100% endeavors, is as mental as the claimant.
Time to return to your phony "trip".
What Mental is doing is basically just bonus whoring on a large scale. He is doing so with casino play as opposed to the smaller scale sports betting bonus whoring I am doing. It is the bonus money, rebates and special offers that make the play +EV. I avoided getting involved with these online casinos and sportsbook (other than a little recreational sports betting) for years, because I didn't trust them. And now I still get worried if I have 40k or so tied up in 3-4 sportsbooks. So I could never have the kind of money tied up that someone like Mental has. I will never have that kind of comfort level.
But just the little bit of sports betting bonus whoring I have done over the last 8 months, I am learning that it isn't nearly what I thought it was with online casinos and sportsbooks just ripping people off. It is too competitive. There are hundred even thousands of on-line casinos and sportsbooks. Someone recently put the number at 10,000. The ones that rip people off are out of business quickly. And there are sites that monitor complaints and incidents of non or even slow payments. A little homework and not dealing with a online casino sports book that sprung up last month and you can minimize the risk. And if you do 30-40 or a hundred as some of these guys do, 1 or 2 ripping you off is just the cost of business.
Now admittedly, as I just indicated, I am still not all that comfortable with it, so I will continue to just dabble. But there are enough people making good money. And I am not talking about looney tunes on you tube. I am talking about some legit, people who have shown they know advantage play and what they are talking about. Like everything else, if you don't see that Rob, it is because you don't want to see it. You want to see and believe whatever nonsense you want to see and believe....your own little alternative reality.
I shouldn't even talk about this, but we are not "killing" anything. We are working a play that is worth between $200 and $300 an hour. And that is when you find a machine and play it for a few days. Sometimes there is a day or two with no play as you change locations. And it is sleeping in hotel rooms for 3-6 days and then moving on to another. Most AP's I know, wouldn't bother with this play for this amount, especially with all the travel involved. And frankly I am growing real tired of it...especially all the travel moving around and living in hotels. That is just NOT my thing.
But it is a limited play, and we are making ok money for now, so we are going to stick with it until it fizzle's or competition grows too bad, or the trespasses grow to be too many. Maybe I will report on it once it ends for good....or maybe I won't. I already know the trolling comments that will results.
UNKewlJ didn't stay away at all - he was posting fabricated sports bets regularly.
UNKewlJ is incapable of staying away.
Not defending GambleSmart, but why was he attacked while they tolerate ChumpChange and 100xOdds?
Someone pointed out the stupidity of "backup spins," and 100x responded with: Akshully, I know a guy who hit a jackpot on a backup spin.
We have discussed drinking and alcoholism?
Watched this Danish movie Another Round (2020) last night. Four high school teachers in the hard drinking country of Denmark (almost as bad as Iceland - I've been to both, and to Sweden, and they all love to drink) try an experiment, maintaining their blood alcohol concentration at 0.05% based on a theory that humans are alcohol deficient and need exactly 0.05% to function optimally.
What about V, does he believe he functions best high on marijuana?
What do you mean by "functions best?
Clearly cannabis use will inhibit a user from doing some things as well as when sober, e.g. complicated math, but on the other hand it can enhance enjoyment of activities, e.g. listening to music.
The trick is to limit use to the appropriate time and place, the same as alcohol.
As always, thanks for asking.
Whatever V, maybe you should do an AMA about impersonating a lawyer on the internet too.
Naturally. After all, the serial lying & fabrication clown had some time to concoct this. Give him time, and he'll come up with just about anything that will turn the attention to him. Here, he's trying to gently twist arms into others recognizing he should be seen as some sort of respectable (traveling) AP. Like he "belongs". The only thing absent from his tale this time is his fictional "baby bro" being on this make believe trip with him.
He became bored with his useless nothing life again.
Naturally. After all, the serial lying & fabrication clown had some time to concoct this. Give him time, and he'll come up with just about anything that will turn the attention to him. Here, he's trying to gently twist arms into others recognizing he should be seen as some sort of respectable (traveling) AP. Like he "belongs". The only thing absent from his tale this time is his fictional "baby bro" being on this make believe trip with him.
He became bored with his useless nothing life again.
Yes, it was worth posting twice!
That's how you know this is just another fabricated tale from the tunnels. A guy that spent almost 20 years making $1.5 million is tired of 200-300/hr? Let's not even discuss the "range" of the hourly......lol. Then let's mention the comment of numerous trespasses for a machine play that does not require ID. This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.
This was top 3 recommendation on youtube after Kewl showed up in this thread.
Andrew didn't cover the poop situation.
I doubt Kewl lives in the tunnels. As funny as it has been. Given he basically stopped posting in here I am going to consider it a success. Wish we heard some more about this play. It sounds interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRGrKJofDaw
Goddammit Kewl I told you to run them by me first. Hell ! Let me author them.
First, your welcome to Druff for breathing some life into this all but comatose forum over the past weeks. :cool:
I haven't talked specific of what we (and Rob, that we is my brother and I) are doing in the 5 weeks we have been working this play and I am not going to now. I have shared specific with only a couple other APs, only one on this forum and only because I valued their opinion. Maybe I will discuss some if it when it is finally over, or maybe not. I haven't really decided yet. But if I do it will be when I am sure this play is over, not only for us, but for any other APs and teams (competition) that is playing it. And we are running into some if that. Even when we are done, I won't reveal anything that can harm anyone who may play it to the very end.
But what I want to comment on is some general mis-information being thrown about.
MaxPen: you really think that all players need to do to avoid getting trespassed is to play unrated?
Come on dude..you know better than this. What are you doing? Playing rated makes it EASY for casinos to identify us, but playing unrated doesn't stop it. Just makes it a little harder. Most midsize or larger casinos have some form of facial recognition software. And this software has improved and casinos utilization of it has improved, as has the different databases, including some Govt databases they connect to. Playing unrated dies not stop casinos from identifying players they want to identify. Not in any way. So stop THAT silliness. You know better
Jdog, you mentioned Griffin database. Before we pursued this we discussed and evaluated how we wanted to attack it...milking vs slaughter and what the consequences might be.
So that was and remains a definite concern. But "griffin" is hardly the specific concern. Griffin....:D. What do you think it is 2004? :D
Where we primarily play blackjack, Vegas, Griffin is barely anything. After pulling completely out if Vegas after Grosjean forced them into bankruptcy, they eventually returned to the Vegas market, but they are a tiny fraction of what they were. They are RC cola compared to the two bigger colas that dominate. And they are not the primary database if ANY casino. Those that subscribe to griffin, also redundantly subscribe to one or both of the bigger...and more efficient databases. So Griffin is NOT the concern.
That is all. Spread whatever mis-information you want to in your attempt to discredit me. That is all you goofy bastards do now. :rolleyes:
If this is your video blackjack nonsense you were talking about earlier. There is pretty much a zero chance of trespass on something like that. At worst they come over and shut the machine down. We already know that story was bullshit. Maybe this is another tale?
Hopefully you or your brother hit a six figure lick on a $50 sign up bonus before this is over. Good luck :cool:
The only times I or anyone I know have ever been trespassed with machine play is when waiting on a hand pay, claiming a rebate, or allowing selves to get trapped. A dude in a suit telling you he doesn't want you in there isn't a trespass. Pretty much if you don't get a form with your legal name on it you are not trespassed.
This is of course the philosophy that has guided UNKewlJ all his online life. :D In a pig's eye!
The reality of course is...that all he cares about is trying to make people believe him, with nothing at stake because there is nothing going on. So, he reveals as much as he can in the way of fabricated details, to try to make his fable believable.
Good grief, why would I want to do that?
Gresham?
Pshaw...Lake Oswego maybe; one nice thing about having money is I can afford tp live in a nice area: not all of Portland is a shithole, Einstein.
Since the hipsters took over the NE stumptown ghetto, east Portland (including Gresham) is increasingly the home of displaced spooks and of course wetbacks.
Lot of murders out that way these days, not that it bothers me at all.
Things seem to be heating up again at WoV.
The hound has irked Terapined sufficiently to cause a seven day suspension; well played, counselor; but do you seriously believe that a stoner living in an RV REALLY is a worthy opponent for you?
True, he has you pegged one hundred percent but hey, he smokes pot so how could he possibly be of any importance, eh?
You certainly seem to know how to play by the rules of each forum, and how to goad those who expose and denounce you as being the narcissistic bullshitter that you are into acts of self-immolation.
Is that a good thing?
What got Terapined suspended was not only mentioning drama from another Website, but posting a screenshot of it. Terapined tried to get Mdawg into trouble for that screenshot and instead Terapined got a Suspension instead. Had Terapined not posted a screenshot from another Website, he might have not gotten Suspended.
On another Website, I myself got a strike for linking to another Website after Posters asked me to link proof of what I was saying. I linked the proof and saw a HUGE red flag when none of the Posters who asked me to link the proof thanked me for doing that. I thought ,"That's REALLY odd that none of the Posters thanked me!"
The Admin said something like,"Karen Nathan, you have received a strike for linking to another Website. Linking to outside Websites is strictly prohibited. The Posters who asked you to link your proof were setting you up into getting a strike. Multiple Posters have complained about you and have asked me if you are a Troll and even I question your motives, so I must give you a strike. I usually would not give a strike to a Newbie that was tricked into breaking a rule, I would have given you a warning told the Longer time Members that tricking Newbies into breaking Forum rules is unacceptable and could lead to distrust, but because I also question your motives, I must give you a strike. Three strokes is an automatic permanent banning. I have removed the link you posted." So I have also been in trouble for linking to outside Website like Terapined did. But in Terapined's case, Mdawg didn't trick him into showing the screenshot from the other Website, Terapined did that all on his own.
Beyond that I responded to him in measured tones and didn't get into it with him online, I even offered him the chance to delete the post and "we all forget about it."
But, Some men you just can't reach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uia7G4Rnsuw
Yahs! :D That's what EvenBob said about him too.
https://i.imgur.com/mTdmJO8h.jpg
I don't disrespect Terapined for roaming the country in an RV: why not, if it's what one enjoys?
Some might envy the guy his freedom; to each his own.
I mentioned his cannabis consumption because we're kindred souls in that regard: the opinions of stoners are no less valuable than those of non-smokers.
Terapined is an intractable old coot. Being stubborn and unwilling to change this thoughts or ways are his problems, not that he's an itinerant RV dweller.
Why would you call him "intractable?"
He seems no more set in his ways than the average swinging dick; fact is I give him props for having the guts to reinvent himself and take to the road.
Remember these sage words..."Not all who wander are lost."
Dawg, you incited him.
He discovered the stuff you penned about him and others on your website and it seems to have shocked him.
Unlike me, he was unaware of your proclivity to dissect others for your personal enjoyment, to "talk about them behind their back."
Were I a betting man (ha ha) I'd wager that Terapined, like many others at WoV, believe that you are more of a hindrance than help to WoV and that you should go away; they don't understand why the Wiz hasn't clamped down on you.
Me, I don't give two shits anymore as I don't post there these days; maybe someday I'll return but for now I see no point as I can say what I want here without some anal, PC fuckwit suspending me.
Terapined should post here and tell you what he really thinks about you, without fear of getting bounced.
His attitude goes back on WOV since at least 2014, four years before I even arrived on the scene. You must have missed my documentation of that. Also, he's spent something like five months in the WOV can just for insults against me alone. Some men, you just can't reach.
He can't come over here and post because it would defrock his claim to "not care." It would turn him into another UNKewlJ sputtering nonsense day and night and all the time claiming that Terapined is like that - all the time that he spends trying to insult MDawg, emulate him via his own "Adventures" thread wher eh eobviously coined the title from me, and making it obvious that I live within his smoked out cranium, he also tries to claim that "none of this matters to him" and it's "just a forum." :D
I suspect it "matters" in a very limited sense only, i.e. only while posting / participating in the forum, but other than that?
Not so much.
For example, I cannot picture him motoring along through Independence Pass in Colorado, seething over your posts, plotting and scheming a smart retort.
Ain't happening.
I have friends who no matter what reaction they posit or do not posit one day, the next day it's a closed chapter.
Others, the reaction might be muted around the time of whatever happened, and then literally months later I get the "what the FUCK, man!" call objecting to something that must have stewed and simmered over time until it finally boiled over. Usually something that was ostensibly trivial, too!
I don't know T.pined well enough to say definitely into which category he resides, but I do know that in the past when he's gotten suspended after some deliberate or not indiscretion, he's stayed away for very long times. One time he was suspended and then declared that he was done with the forum entirely and resigned. The fact that he was staying away for months only immediately after a suspension and there were no other long periods of absence other than immediately after a suspension does support, whether he wants to admit it or not, that he was stewing in resentment and ran off with his marbles.
Also, the way he kept coming back over and over again to making the same "only losers play Baccarat" posts and getting suspended for up to two months for that insult, doesn't seem indicative of someone who lets things go easily.
I'd say that you're somewhere in between the above two extremes I illustrated. You're not the type to let something to which you object simply go, but then neither do you keep coming back to it in any serious way. (At least not unless you are re-triggered.)
You know even one friend I have who is of the "What the FUCK!" variety after he's boiled over and had his say, then after some more time, he comes around too and doesn't care any longer.
One of the only persons I "know" in any sense, incapable of letting something go, is...UNKewlJ.
Her inability to let anything go is at least as "fascinating" as smurgerburger put it, as her inability to stop lying.Quote:
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What is the point of slurring KJ by calling him a "her?"
Do you know something we don't know?
Or is it just more anti-gay bullshit?
That was then...this is now.
NOW you ARE hurling a gay-related insult at KJ.
Can you establish a valid defense to the charge of hurling a homophobic slur?
No, of course not, counselor: anyway, lots of others are doing it too, so WTF, just jump into the fetid hot tub with them and let your hate flag fly.
All but anti-Zionist slurs are allowed here so why not elevate you game by including equally unfounded allegations of necrophilia or coprophia?
Referring to UNKewlJ in the pronoun of choice her is hardly a gay slur.
Calling a gay man a woman is a slur.
Christ on a crutch, didn't they teach you ANYTHING in law school?
Nothing wrong with calling the liar a faggot either.
I look at things the same way Dan the Man DanDruff does, which is against the backdrop of THIS forum.
As such, Additionally, UNKewlJ has at least twice denied even being gay, so, it's not like we even know who or what he is. Clearly, she doesn't know either.
So, I looked up old posts I made when I was looking up a thread about a Casino giving a Promotion only to tell Players the offer was cancelled . It has been cancelled by at the Manager's discretion but Players were only told this AFTER they came to the Casino for the Promotion. It was a 2-100 Comp Multiplier.
I remember saying something like,"Not telling the Players the offer was cancelled is a REALLY bad move." I searched through a LOT of my posts and Beachbumbabs was an even WORSE Admin to me than I remembered. The things she said to me were beyond fucked up, especially for an Admin to say.
I remembered her saying stuff like,"Nathan really should just stay in her Corner and stop posting in other threads," and threatening to ban ME when I asked her for help when other Posters were bullying, insulting, and harassing me, sating something to ME like,"Nathan, suck it up and grow up, or I will ban you!"which was bad enough, but her responses to me in the Progressive Jackpot Thread where I accidentally gave a Newbie a low coin in number(I said you would need to play $4,000-$8,000 before you see the Progressive hit. )
A Poster responded something like,"Nathan, you are so off base it isn't even funny. You actually need more like $100,000 coin in before you see the Progressive hit). I, Nathan responded something like,"Many Posters said they played $4,000-$8,000 before the Progressive hit when they themselves played Progressive Slots.
Beachbumbabs completely humiliated me in that thread and was beyond NASTY to me and then gave me a two week Suspension! :mad:
Quote from Beachbumbabs.Another post from BeachbumbabsQuote:
"He is not now online, but he thanked Nathan, and has not replied to any attempts at corrections. This is completely unacceptable.
Sigh. Ok, I and others have warned Nathan numerous times about doing this. It hasn't stuck. For all we know, narwhal is now sitting in front of that machine throwing hundred dollar bills into it, chasing that major, thinking he got useful advice because it came from this site. When he crashes and burns, what does he say to everybody about the advice he got here?
14 days for trolling with unsuitable misinformation about the primary purpose of this forum and website, which is to give ACCURATE MATH-BASED ADVICE on machines, table games, and other forms of gambling.
Even a disclaimer about her lack of expertise with her advice would have been suitable warning, and part of a useful discussion. But instead, she posts as if she's an expert, to a new member who doesn't know she just throws spaghetti at the wall on these things. And as a member for several years now, with a couple thousand posts, she is able to present herself to the unwary as a knowledgable member. That severely cuts into the credibility of these sites, its members, and especially the Wizard.
If anyone doesn't know this, all the questions from WizardofOdds, not just WizardofVegas, are directed here, to this forum. WizardofOdds is arguably THE authority worldwide for casino games, and the folks here who have the skills to accurately assess these things are a major (and treasured) asset.
Sorry so long a post, but I think I had to explain my decision in some detail. I will be asking the other mods to review it."
On top of that I, once again, got a two week Suspension for this when I legitimately was trying to help a Newbie! :mad:Quote:
Narwhal,
Sorry for any ambiguity in my reply. It was 100% NOT directed at you.
I'm glad you decided to come in and join to ask a very good question. The manufacturers, in my experience, make it intentionally difficult to evaluate a good play from a bad one, so it's good you're researching and asking others for help in evaluating a particular machine or manu line. That's exactly the intent of this free site and why questions are directed here.
We've had a recurring problem, as I detailed above, with Nathan posting bad advice. This event just happened to be the final straw for me - you are not in any way responsible for her suspension.
It's awkward, under the circumstances both of the suspension and your subsequent question about whether it was directed at you, to try and welcome you, but I do. Please consider joining in further conversations, and thanks for your understanding."
Perhaps your heart of hearts was in the right place, Nathan, but as always your brain seemed to be in your ass.
Girl, you know as much about gambling as as Hunter Biden knew about Ukrainian natural gas when they paid him $50K a month for advice: you are wholly unqualified to give gambling advice to newbies.
But the Wiz has adopted you as his "pet" so your days there are not numbered.
The relationship between BBB and Tasha reminds me of Walter and Donnie from The Big Lebowski.
Maybe BBB resents Tasha because she sees reflected in Tasha her own comparative lack of gambling knowledge (given that the forum she moderates draws some good analysts).
See, Beachbumbabs could have just said something like,"Narwhal, Nathan got the Progressive Jackpot requirements VERY wrong. She's not well versed in Gambling, she's certainly no Gambling Expert, so she's not qualified to give gambling advice. Nathan, please refrain from giving gambling advice to Newbies in the future." That would have been REALLY reasonable. Her completely humiliating me was out of line."
Nathan, BBB, like many others at WoV, consider you more of a liability than an asset to the forum.
But the Wiz adopted you, a two-headed calf, as the forum mascot so that's a fait accompli.
Perhaps your autism masks your ability to fully comprehend reality.
Or are you really as dumb as a box of rocks?
At least in the Narwhal's case, I was legitimately trying to HELP Narwhal. As Kentry, I acknowledged that I was being seen as a joke, and I wanted to be seen as mature and insightful. A Newbie said something like,"I lost more money than I wanted to in the Casino. I, as Kentry at the time thought,"Here's my chance to stop being seen as a joke and be seen as mature and insightful!"
I responded something like,"You really should stop gambling. You already lost money that you NEEDED. If you KEEP gambling, you'll end up homeless on the streets, begging people for money!" The Poster responded something like,"It wasn't money I NEEDED, and I really don't appreciate people on this website speaking to me like I am a Gambling Degenerate!"
Beachbumbabs responded,"Only ONE person spoke to you like you were a Gambling Degenerate and kentry was completely out of line to say that you and shouldn't have told you that. I apologize for Kentry 's insensitive remarks to you." I didn't come across as mature and insightful, I came across as a condescending Jerk.
Beachbumbabs was completely right to say that about me especially since I wasn't trying to actually help that Newbie, I was trying to make myself stop looking like a joke. Also, the thing I was hoping would happen FOR me would have pissed me off if it happened TO me .
If I were the Newbie who lost more money than I wanted to and a Poster told me that same condescending thing I told the Newbie and had got congratulated for being mature and insightful, I would have been pissed. At least with Narwhal, I wasn't looking to be seen as mature and insightful, I really did think I was helping him with my $4,000-$8,000 answer.
The WoV community has always provided great insights into gaming strategies and trends! I'm curious to see how discussions evolve around new games and player experiences this year. What topics are everyone most excited about?
Being that this IS the WoV thread, I want to comment on something I read at WoV today.
BilRyan, released from a 6 month suspension at WoV today. . I used to get along well with Billryan on another blackjack forum years ago. But, of late he doesn't seem to like me much. Welcome to the club. :D But I want to say this to Billryan: Don't give Shackleford, the petty man who thinks he is more important than he is and doesn't seem to know that he only runs a website, not rules the world....don't give him the satisfaction by going back to posting at WoV. I am not the best messenger for this message, but be better than me. Billryan, YOU don't need that shit, nor to be treated like you were.
And hell, if you enjoy being abused, just come on back over here.