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Originally Posted by MDawg
KewlJ, you are making assumptions, as well as insinuations based on nothing. Stop being paranoid, and discriminating against older people than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
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Originally Posted by MDawg
KewlJ, you are making assumptions, as well as insinuations based on nothing. Stop being paranoid, and discriminating against older people than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I know. There are only two possibilities...that his in person play persona is cool calculating and devoid of emotion. Or...it's the same as unKewl's online - hysterical, emotional, and ranting.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyDon't believe it Dawg...tewlj is a proven and admitted liar, and there are major holes in his Blackjack strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I don't call that many people out as phony. There was T3 on the blackjack forum, Singer and now this Mdog character.
And let me tell you they are have a few things in common. 1.) they never lose! 2.) they tip you off ahead of time as to what they are. T3 announced he was going to be one of the blackjack greats and then in the next year proceeded to become that in his fantasy online world. Mdog early last year, posted that he won almost every session and would continue to do so.
Real players win and lose, because that is the way the real worlds works. No one on these forums (well maybe ZenKing) has shared their ups and down more than I. So as soon as someone starts talking about always winning, they go into the full of shit column.
The only way to win ALMOST every session is with a progressive wagering system which will have you winning most sessions but then the one big losing session comes along wiping out all those wins and then some. Progressive wagering people like Singer just conveniently leave out those massive losing sessions.
But you can spot these folks a mile away. And they Should be called out and not played to because they are the court jester or village idiot.
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Originally Posted by kewlJok, so what is it that you are supporting now? The double up bug claim? Th RV claims? I would like you to say on record, please if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Because to me, it is all related. Phony claims by a narcissist, losing, degenerate gambler player and they deserve to be called out as such. The fact that you or anyone else finds him amusing because he bullies people like a third grader is irrelevant and is really something you should ask yourself about.
Regarding the Double up bug and the Newel stories I never gave them much thought at all. The few times that I did think about them I unconsciously hoped that somehow the stories were true. Rooting for him, as I do like underdogs.
So tell me what is it that you believe? The Newell and double up bug are connected now because Singer connected them. And to anybody being objected have now been proven phony. I mean anyone that was too lazy to call the manager of the dealership to confirm that the pictures singer took in a RV at the dealership were fake, do you really believe that an Isreali purchased his RV sight unseen for half a million dollars in one day, conveniently making the RV disappear?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
By the way BoSox, you know what you posted the day Singer posted those pictures? Go back and read. You thought that proved the case and said something to the effect that the only thing that could make this day any better was if kewlJ's unemployment claim was denied. (this was back in May). So don't tell me you weren't biased with an agenda.
So anyway, what of Singers claims do you believe? If not the double up bug that he stole from reading online, is it the Singer progression system? AND that he made hundreds of thousands playing a progression system? Please BoSox tell me what you beleive of this man that you feel the need to defend him so?
I said I would let it go, but BoSox continued to defend Singer, So we are back into this because of BoSox. so I will share what was brought to my attention yesterday by a forum administrator of all people. I said it was a big deal, but it only is to any one being adjective. Those that don't want to see won't see. For those people, like BoSox and mickey, a picture of O.J wearing the bloody gloves with a knife taken 30 seconds after Nicole's murder wouldn't mean anything. "Hey that doesn't prove anything"
so it will take me a minute to set this up because it involves video, I have to go dig up.
KJ, I do not waste time thinking about Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJSo tell me what is it that you believe? The Newell and double up bug are connected now because Singer connected them. And to anybody being objected have now been proven phony. I mean anyone that was too lazy to call the manager of the dealership to confirm that the pictures singer took in a RV at the dealership were fake, do you really believe that an Isreali purchased his RV sight unseen for half a million dollars in one day, conveniently making the RV disappear?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
By the way BoSox, you know what you posted the day Singer posted those pictures? Go back and read. You thought that proved the case and said something to the effect that the only thing that could make this day any better was if kewlJ's unemployment claim was denied. (this was back in May). So don't tell me you weren't biased with an agenda.
So anyway, what of Singers claims do you believe? If not the double up bug that he stole from reading online, is it the Singer progression system? AND that he made hundreds of thousands playing a progression system? Please BoSox tell me what you beleive of this man that you feel the need to defend him so?
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Originally Posted by kewlJBoSox, in your defense of Singer, you state that people didn't believe Singers stories. I disagree. On this forum slingshot readily admits he plays and believes in Singer's progressive wagering system. Luckily for him Slingshot is smart enough not to lose too much money doing so. Dan Druff tells us this site has many lurkers that do not post. Only the forum admin would know that. How many of them have been hurt. What about all the other forums Singer has preached his phony progressive system on, including WoV that had hundreds of members. How many were hurt at these other forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Then there is the fact that he wrote a book about this strategy. Why I am guessing sales weren't through the roof, how many were hurt by that. Then beginning a month after the book was published, he wrote a column for Gaming today for 8 years, so he could promote that book and progression system. And while he wrote the column for free, Gaming Today has some readership, so how many were hurt by these phony claims from that? And finally, Singer claims to have privately taught his "system" to a number of people. If he did, you can bet it wasn't for free. They paid him to tech a system that they then lost money on.
Decades, this has gone on. So why any AP or math guy would feel anything but contempt for this guy is beyond me. I guess some of you find the whole thing amusing. I don't. The guy has been misleading people throughout the gaming community on decades via multiple platforms.
A couple of notes on this:
1) It's almost impossible to say that Singer did or did not do a lot of damage to people. I tend to believe his systems talk garnered much more serious attention 20 to 30 years ago. But I don't know. The internet provides massively larger audiences now, so maybe more people would be misled more now than then.
2) It's easy for those of us who use math day to day to dismiss how seriously people took Singer then or take him now. We make assumptions that may or may not hold water. When USA Today first started publishing, they had pages of ads full of handicappers claiming 85% and 90% ATS wins. Readers couldn't evaluate that; they assumed that if the ads were in USA Today, they must have been vetted or the claims were at least very possible. Today, that wouldn't pass muster. So maybe Singer did a lot of damage back then, and very little now. That's the way I think it is, but I could be wrong because the internet reaches so many people, and because I think that people today are more prone to believe what they prefer to believe. The question is -- do people grasp probability better now than 25 years ago? I do not know. Alan Mendelson's Singer videos certainly reached a good number of people.
3) As I said, I think people like BoSox, or kewlJ, or myself, or my friends in academia, tend to not want to believe how dumb-ass in terms of statistics people today really are. We overestimate the man-in-the-street's ability to reason things out or make probability judgements.
4) Alan Mendelson, as much as he and I have gone head to head, was a fine journalist. If he bought into the Singer schtick, then a lot of people bought into that schtick. Those Mendelson videos of Singer explaining his systems had many, many views. People didn't sit and watch those videos because they rejected what Singer was saying
5) Singer was on the front page of Gaming Today just about every other week for years, pushing his style of play. Now I have in other posts explained the advantages of using a Singer style (mainly, the casinos back then would classify you as an impulsive nutcase, and you'd garner extra comps and status, partly because Singer's formal rules involved lugging 50K to 60K around with you to back the martingale style). So it's not like I dismissed what he did out of hand. What I dismissed was his absolute insistence for decades that his systems and special plays were superior to optimal play. He was being read by gazillions of tourists each week who didn't know any better. This continued for years. The print run for Gaming Today back in the 90's was not small.
6) Nobody really believes Singer about the double up bug. Something being remotely possible and being real are two different things, to paraphrase an Axelwolf line. I think there's a reason Singer unveiled his new schtick to Mendelson first. He was hoping for more wingman-ism. BoSox, if you watch the Shackleford interview with Singer, or the Mendelson videos, Singer comes across as very believable from a presentation standpoint. I have to salute him, Hawaiian shirts aside. Consider that he's been a salesman for 30 years. Those undoubtedly were dangerous sales for some people, even if just a handful.
UNkewlJ never lets anything go. Anyway, while he's ranting, I'm booking deng.
OJ was guilty but they framed him. They framed a guilty man. They went too far.
And if UNKewl understood more about human nature and so on, he'd stop ranting so much and realize that by overplaying his hand he's just turning people off. We get it. But now he's going too far to belabor the point.
Anyway, RS (aka RobSinger) is a good ol' boy by virtue of having voted YES on the two MDawg polls.
So below is the link to the Michael Shackleford Rob Singer interview from last May.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZA...ature=emb_logo
Let's forget about the double up bug part of Rob's claims, of which the interview was mostly about, although you will note that as previously stated, at about 23:18 when discussing that Rob links the RV to the double up bug claim stating that is his proof.
But I want to focus on the section where Rob was discussing his progressive strategy, starting at 23:40. @ 24:09 Rob states that he played the progressive strategy from 2000-2004 making $375k. @ 25:05 Rob states that he tried AP video poker play for 6 years prior to playing the progression strategy and failed, losing over 200k.
So the timeline is pretty clear.....Rob's own words.
1994-2000 Rob attempted advantage play video poker play , failing and lost over 200k.
2000-2004 Rob claims to have played his progressive strategy winning $375k.
Everyone on the same page?
So next up would be Rob's book The undeniable truth about Video Poker. (link below)
Please note the publish date December 2000, meaning the book was written sometime earlier in 2000. This would mean it was written just after Rob had played and failed at playing advantage player video poker for 6 years and was just starting his progressive wagering run. So he publishes a book about his successful video poker play? By his own timeline he had lost for the last 6 years at that point. AND take a look at the write up...."inside secrets of a winning professional player" He is coming off of 6 straight losing years as he writes this!
I mean this is the very starting point of the whole Singer fantasy and troll. After he himself admits to losing 1994-2000, he publishes a book calling himself "a winning professional player". At which point the the story (and long running troll) begins....
After that he takes a "job" writing a column for free in a gambling publication to promote this book and story which he will expand on for the next 20 years. Do you see just like Mdog and T3, Rob sort of told ya ahead of time where this was going. I would say "you can't make this stuff up"....but he did!
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...ut-video-poker
I guess there is no legal liability for lying in a book. If there was John Patrick would have been locked up a long time. :D You would think any publisher attaching their name and reputation would have an issue, but I don't know how that works.
But come on people, at the time Rob wrote this book, by his own admission he had lost playing video poker for 6 years to the tune of $200k. That would be like Alan Mendelson publishing a book about the secrets of winning at craps. :rolleyes: (no offense Alan).
This is important because this was the very beginning of Rob's 20 year troll of claims, evolving claims, stolen claims. Anyone defending any part of this person and his long running troll is a fool has a different agenda. If you are defending Rob because you don't like me (BoSox), then stop defending Rob and just say "I don't like you".
Singer has been a pretty substandard liar for most of his life apparently. You can go back to 1986-1987 where he couldn't even report the same amounts of income on his state and federal tax returns. Landing him in hot water for years. It is a life long habitual problem most likely.
http://https://bota.az.gov/argentino-robert-h-doc-no-1806-99-i
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Originally Posted by MaxPen
The only things I can come up with from this person's long running claims that may NOT be lies are
1) That he was a losing video poker player from 1994-2000 to the tune of 200k.
2) That he has been married for a long time.
As to #1, that really is the basis for bitterness that everything else that followed has been about.
As to #2, I would want to talk to the wife to hear her side.
Jesus, only you would want to get to the bottom of the size of Rob's penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
The only things I can come up with from this person's long running claims that may NOT be lies are
1) That he was a losing video poker player from 1994-2000 to the tune of 200k.
2) That he has been married for a long time.
As to #1, that really is the basis for bitterness that everything else that followed has been about.
As to #2, I would want to talk to the wife to hear her side.
You are a sick and fucked up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus, only you would want to get to the bottom of the size of Rob's penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
The only things I can come up with from this person's long running claims that may NOT be lies are
1) That he was a losing video poker player from 1994-2000 to the tune of 200k.
2) That he has been married for a long time.
As to #1, that really is the basis for bitterness that everything else that followed has been about.
As to #2, I would want to talk to the wife to hear her side.
Bosox, why did YOU go there?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou are a sick and fucked up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus, only you would want to get to the bottom of the size of Rob's penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Something you want to tell us about buddy?
Forum tactic number 4 being applied here by Kewlj. MDawg must have hit a nerve.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Are you kidding with this link. Exactly what were the specific circumstances around this? Just out of curiosity that decision was mailed to a legal firm in Arizona and to this guy in the United Kinkdom. Did Rob have a residence there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Copies of the foregoing
Mailed or delivered to:
Robert H. Argentino
126 Wainwright
Werrington, Peterborough
England PE45AH
By blocking anybody other then useless anagram weirdo and maybe Tasha, means your throwing in the towel, come on no quitting guys. Have some fortitude.....looking at you KJ.
For the record I fought the IRS tooth and nail for years. Business people trying to get the most they could out of income will usually have tax issues eventually. I had tax lawyers and accountants always handling my issues. I wish I could have kept all the amounts I was forced to return along with all the penalties and interest I paid the government.
Then when you look where it all eventually ends up ... Poorly run Democratic States needing a bail out ... I wish I went even further bullshitting the IRS.
The COWARD wants to bring up some 2-bit issue about someone he hasn’t confirmed for fact is even Singer.
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Originally Posted by accountinquestionBosox, why did YOU go there?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou are a sick and fucked up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Something you want to tell us about buddy?
I'm sure you remember there was a big debate on the size of Singer,s member. KewlJ is thorough, to say the least, and wants to get to the bottom of any cockfights. KJ keep your toung in cheek I gave you a compliment.
No you didn't. You are just proving you are a nasty old asshole.Quote:
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Originally Posted by accountinquestionBosox, why did YOU go there?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Something you want to tell us about buddy?
I'm sure you remember there was a big debate on the size of Singer,s member. KewlJ is thorough, to say the least, and wants to get to the bottom of any cockfights. KJ keep your toung in cheek I gave you a compliment.
Maybe Singer also owns the comparable English version of a Newel parked there.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAre you kidding with this link. Exactly what were the specific circumstances around this? Just out of curiosity that decision was mailed to a legal firm in Arizona and to this guy in the United Kinkdom. Did Rob have a residence there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Copies of the foregoing
Mailed or delivered to:
Robert H. Argentino
126 Wainwright
Werrington, Peterborough
England PE45AH
C'mon my AP friends. None of you want to call out the phony COWARD. How could anyone take anything MaxPrick said serious? Now hes trying to fool us with a link to the wrong guy. I know you all love and adore him but let's call black / black and white / white.
He's a fucking lying bullshitting con artist.
Axel, don't trust him with your wife. That would be a bad move. (just saying)
Blackhole, I think MaxPen is holding back and is going to deliver in two-year segments tomorrow we may get what happened in 1988 and 1989.
At least one AP is not afraid to speak the truth. Maybe in tomorrows segment it'll be with the same name in Africa. Rob did say he traveled the world.Quote:
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If Max keeps posting about Rob that Newel may in fact show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAt least one AP is not afraid to speak the truth. Maybe in tomorrows segment it'll be with the same name in Africa. Rob did say he traveled the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
KJ, did it ever occur to you that you provoke people endlessly? Subsequently, some of the return replys that you receive are not always following the Queensbury Rules of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNo you didn't. You are just proving you are a nasty old asshole.Quote:
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Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I'm sure you remember there was a big debate on the size of Singer,s member. KewlJ is thorough, to say the least, and wants to get to the bottom of any cockfights. KJ keep your toung in cheek I gave you a compliment.
I have provoked you Bosox? I don't remember being anything other that friendly and respectful of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I can't see how you could possibly have anymore loyalty to BoSox after reading your exchanges after you said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Lay the biggie on us. Besides this thread became fun and games a long time ago. Trust me when I say no one here will hold you to your promised honor.
Spill the beans ... or should I say horseshit?
Let's just say I let slip by numerous insults from you in this thread. I am sorry for my overreaction. Pertaining to provocations on your part it is more about you repeating, and repeating the exact same chain of thought in multiple posts. That action by you does in fact provoke people.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI have provoked you Bosox? I don't remember being anything other that friendly and respectful of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Can you imagine the AP pm's taking place here? Man, would I love to be reading those. No doubt it's a private membership. I think they draw a small amount of blood and burn a religious picture in their palms while swearing to loyalty, before being allowed to exchange conversations.
I acknowledge that I repeat some of my points. But Today I was not repeating. This was a new. New evidence if you will....spoken by Singer himself. Let me ask you, did you look at the video at the timestamps I pointed out? I'll bet you didn't because your mind is made up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Singer clearly stated that he attempted to play video poker as an AP from 1994-2000 but failed, losing over 200k. He then publishes a book in 2000 coming off 6 years of losing and failure, promoting his magical system for beating video poker promoting himself as a "winning professional player".
That means from the very, very beginning, his claims were lies....by his own timeline. Lies for the purpose of misleading and profiting off people in the gambling community. And it has gone on for 20 years. claim after claim, lie after lie.
And anyone along the line that dared challenge these claims endured his personal attacks. Some good people. Arci, many others, including mickeycrimm. Mickey may say it is all water under the bridge, but the fact is mickey was right for all those years challenging Singer as he did, and Singer attacked him mercifully, because Singer couldn't answer mickey or anyone else about his math defying claims.
BoSox, we are both AP's who work hard to play with an advantage. We endure the variance involved, the losing periods, the hostile work environment. I am offended by some a-hole, Singer, or mdoggy, or our old friend T3 coming along and claiming to win with magical systems and potions. Progression systems, super-duper counts. "special plays", stop limits, or any other voodoo concept. It shocks me that other AP's aren't just offended.
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Originally Posted by BoSox
Proving that Singer's claims are not true is not a big deal at all. Whatever the story is or if the story is ever revealed I do not think that there will be two members on the site that will even blink an eye. The real question is why did he do it in the first place? A few people got obsessed and so upset with his stories that the angrier they became, turned into more of an encouragement and motivating factor for him to continue on and on. KJ you made a good post that I will include below which I think is relevant is the fact that Singer has a narcissistic personality disorder. Now I am asking a question that I do not have the answer to. People, who have this mental health illness are possibly not fully in control and rational of all their actions depending on the degree of the illness?
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
I have to correct myself on one important point of KJ"s above quote. Even though I thought that you gave a good description of narcissistic personality disorder in general I missed a line in that post that I strongly disagree with:
Sorry mickeycrimm that one line slipped by me which I think is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I guess Kewlj will say I’m on his ignore list which is why he won’t respond to me.
But the truth is he’s just another lying bullshitting (in this case) queer, who also has nothing on Rob, no different than his fellow AP the Coward.
Yet he carries on with his endless rants about Rob who’s not even posting here anymore and can’t defend himself.
I think it’s fair to rate Kewlj a bigger COWARD then the MaxPrick.
Hey Kewlj, shut the fuck up. We’re all sick of reading you cry like the true bitch you really are.
BoSox, can you also stop this nonsense back and forth with cum breath. You give him to many opportunity's to keep going. And please stop quoting him you take up half a page with every post. Nobody reads any of his rants anyway.
KJ, I already told you that I was on the opposite side of Singer's progressive VP ideas, and is something that is completely off-topic concerning the thread title. "Finding Grandpa's Newell"Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI acknowledge that I repeat some of my points. But Today I was not repeating. This was a new. New evidence if you will....spoken by Singer himself. Let me ask you, did you look at the video at the timestamps I pointed out? I'll bet you didn't because your mind is made up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
While we are at it MaxPen should also stay on this topic and not concern himself with history stories from 1986/7.
The way you tell it here thousands of people have been hurt by Singer's claims. It just seems like at least one of them would have posted up in a gambling forum about losing a lot of money using his system. Hell, it's been 20 years. Not one person has come forward saying they were harmed by Singer. Easy enough to use a fictitious username to tell the story if they feel embarrased by it. They could remain in complete anonymity. But still no one in 20 years has come forward to testify.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBoSox, in your defense of Singer, you state that people didn't believe Singers stories. I disagree. On this forum slingshot readily admits he plays and believes in Singer's progressive wagering system. Luckily for him Slingshot is smart enough not to lose too much money doing so. Dan Druff tells us this site has many lurkers that do not post. Only the forum admin would know that. How many of them have been hurt. What about all the other forums Singer has preached his phony progressive system on, including WoV that had hundreds of members. How many were hurt at these other forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Then there is the fact that he wrote a book about this strategy. Why I am guessing sales weren't through the roof, how many were hurt by that. Then beginning a month after the book was published, he wrote a column for Gaming today for 8 years, so he could promote that book and progression system. And while he wrote the column for free, Gaming Today has some readership, so how many were hurt by these phony claims from that? And finally, Singer claims to have privately taught his "system" to a number of people. If he did, you can bet it wasn't for free. They paid him to tech a system that they then lost money on.
Decades, this has gone on. So why any AP or math guy would feel anything but contempt for this guy is beyond me. I guess some of you find the whole thing amusing. I don't. The guy has been misleading people throughout the gaming community on decades via multiple platforms.
I know, KJ. You could gather all these people up to testify. Put out the word.
Hey, everyone! KJ is looking for people to testify they lost a lot of money using Singer's system. Well, no. That won't work. To easy now for people to just make shit up. Oh, well. Looks like we just completely whiffed on anyone coming forward to testify about losing using Singer's system.
As a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone other than sling saying they even used his system. Damn, that Singer is a horrible salesman. No one using his system. No wonder there is no one that can come forward.
And no one has ever come forward saying they paid him for the system.
KJ, while you were wasting your time verifying all that Newell bullshit for nothing, I was out making money. I didn't waste one minute of my time on something that means nothing to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJSo tell me what is it that you believe? The Newell and double up bug are connected now because Singer connected them. And to anybody being objected have now been proven phony. I mean anyone that was too lazy to call the manager of the dealership to confirm that the pictures singer took in a RV at the dealership were fake, do you really believe that an Isreali purchased his RV sight unseen for half a million dollars in one day, conveniently making the RV disappear?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
By the way BoSox, you know what you posted the day Singer posted those pictures? Go back and read. You thought that proved the case and said something to the effect that the only thing that could make this day any better was if kewlJ's unemployment claim was denied. (this was back in May). So don't tell me you weren't biased with an agenda.
So anyway, what of Singers claims do you believe? If not the double up bug that he stole from reading online, is it the Singer progression system? AND that he made hundreds of thousands playing a progression system? Please BoSox tell me what you beleive of this man that you feel the need to defend him so?
LOL! I honestly believe you would stick you fucking nose into other people's marriages.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MaxPen
The only things I can come up with from this person's long running claims that may NOT be lies are
1) That he was a losing video poker player from 1994-2000 to the tune of 200k.
2) That he has been married for a long time.
As to #1, that really is the basis for bitterness that everything else that followed has been about.
As to #2, I would want to talk to the wife to hear her side.
It's been 20 years since I read it but I don't remember Singer's book being a clinic on using a progressive system. I don't recall the book saying you can make lots of money using a progressive system. I remember it being a diatribe against using optimal strategy. It's been two decades so my memory could be off.
Since I mentioned that I like underdogs here is a chance to show my number 1 underdog of all time. Although, she came in second.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJok, so what is it that you are supporting now? The double up bug claim? Th RV claims? I would like you to say on record, please if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Because to me, it is all related. Phony claims by a narcissist, losing, degenerate gambler player and they deserve to be called out as such. The fact that you or anyone else finds him amusing because he bullies people like a third grader is irrelevant and is really something you should ask yourself about.
Regarding the Double up bug and the Newel stories I never gave them much thought at all. The few times that I did think about them I unconsciously hoped that somehow the stories were true. Rooting for him, as I do like underdogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk
Since Singer is on record saying he lost from 1994 to 2000 and also on record saying he won 90K in 2000 maybe he could clarify this for us. There had to have been a point when he started using the progressive system. Exactly when was it? Was it early in 2000 or late in 2000? But, clearly, the year 2000 could not have been both a losing year and a winning year for him. Only Singer can explain.
I suspect Robbie is as embarrassed, as your buddy Adamantium. They both ran for the hills :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Being a blatant and repeated liar does not make one an "underdog" in any world I have been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxSince I mentioned that I like underdogs here is a chance to show my number 1 underdog of all time. Although, she came in second.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Regarding the Double up bug and the Newel stories I never gave them much thought at all. The few times that I did think about them I unconsciously hoped that somehow the stories were true. Rooting for him, as I do like underdogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk
Nap it out for the rest of us. Please.
I'd like to add that I bought and paid for Singer's system and lost money on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe way you tell it here thousands of people have been hurt by Singer's claims. It just seems like at least one of them would have posted up in a gambling forum about losing a lot of money using his system. Hell, it's been 20 years. Not one person has come forward saying they were harmed by Singer. Easy enough to use a fictitious username to tell the story if they feel embarrased by it. They could remain in complete anonymity. But still no one in 20 years has come forward to testify.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBoSox, in your defense of Singer, you state that people didn't believe Singers stories. I disagree. On this forum slingshot readily admits he plays and believes in Singer's progressive wagering system. Luckily for him Slingshot is smart enough not to lose too much money doing so. Dan Druff tells us this site has many lurkers that do not post. Only the forum admin would know that. How many of them have been hurt. What about all the other forums Singer has preached his phony progressive system on, including WoV that had hundreds of members. How many were hurt at these other forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Then there is the fact that he wrote a book about this strategy. Why I am guessing sales weren't through the roof, how many were hurt by that. Then beginning a month after the book was published, he wrote a column for Gaming today for 8 years, so he could promote that book and progression system. And while he wrote the column for free, Gaming Today has some readership, so how many were hurt by these phony claims from that? And finally, Singer claims to have privately taught his "system" to a number of people. If he did, you can bet it wasn't for free. They paid him to tech a system that they then lost money on.
Decades, this has gone on. So why any AP or math guy would feel anything but contempt for this guy is beyond me. I guess some of you find the whole thing amusing. I don't. The guy has been misleading people throughout the gaming community on decades via multiple platforms.
I know, KJ. You could gather all these people up to testify. Put out the word.
Hey, everyone! KJ is looking for people to testify they lost a lot of money using Singer's system. Well, no. That won't work. To easy now for people to just make shit up. Oh, well. Looks like we just completely whiffed on anyone coming forward to testify about losing using Singer's system.
As a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone other than sling saying they even used his system. Damn, that Singer is a horrible salesman. No one using his system. No wonder there is no one that can come forward.
And no one has ever come forward saying they paid him for the system.
What's Crimm got to say now?
Probably <crickets>
Bitch, why do you think I moved back into my parent's basement?
See this post right here, exemplifies your problem mickey. I am absolutely thrilled that you live in a state that has more cows than people, so you were able to get your socialized vaccine earlier than some of the rest of us. I really am. I was worried that you might be a little pig-headed about it and am glad you weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ever since you "surrendered" to Rob you have been trying to pick a fight with me and others. I don't read other forums that you are on, but it sounds like that is all you do. I guess you need and want that negative attention. But with me, you are trying to fight with a guy that isn't fighting you back. I have no need to. You are an AP that I respect his AP abilities that seems to enjoy being a jerk online. That is your call.
So good for you for getting your socialized vaccine and being back making money. I am happy for you. A little jealous, but happy.
Accountinquestion wrote:
"Being a blatant and repeated liar does not make one an "underdog" in any world I have been in.
Nap it out for the rest of us. Please."
When Rob S told the story about the double-up bug almost everyone did not believe him and called him as you say a
blatant liar without proof frankly even right up to today no one has proven him a liar on that issue. The story about the Newel ownership wasn't even told yet. When everyone is against you I consider it an underdog position. I am not supporting him but will admit I was hoping that he in fact figured out the glitch. After the way Rob was treated with the double-up bug story, I think he then gave the mob what they really wanted, and asked for, a lie with the Newel story, and guess what he won people went bonkers while he sat back and laughed at them.
mickey will likely say that you were really stupid if you are telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'd like to add that I bought and paid for Singer's system and lost money on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe way you tell it here thousands of people have been hurt by Singer's claims. It just seems like at least one of them would have posted up in a gambling forum about losing a lot of money using his system. Hell, it's been 20 years. Not one person has come forward saying they were harmed by Singer. Easy enough to use a fictitious username to tell the story if they feel embarrased by it. They could remain in complete anonymity. But still no one in 20 years has come forward to testify.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I know, KJ. You could gather all these people up to testify. Put out the word.
Hey, everyone! KJ is looking for people to testify they lost a lot of money using Singer's system. Well, no. That won't work. To easy now for people to just make shit up. Oh, well. Looks like we just completely whiffed on anyone coming forward to testify about losing using Singer's system.
As a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone other than sling saying they even used his system. Damn, that Singer is a horrible salesman. No one using his system. No wonder there is no one that can come forward.
And no one has ever come forward saying they paid him for the system.
What's Crimm got to say now?
Probably <crickets>
Bitch, why do you think I moved back into my parent's basement?
At this point, Rob can't prove he played it, and no one can prove he didn't. There are a few things one could do to find out what is significantly more likely. I had some interest but it would have taken some effort. Mike's premature interview kind of spoiled it as far as I was concerned. His interview really didn't get to the bottom of anything. I begged Mike to wait, but he went forward with it unprepared. I don't think Mike cared to prove or disprove it, he was just doing it to get Rob side of the story and let people make their own judgment. If any concrete evidence comes out that it wasn't true, Rob can always just claim it was all part of some big troll. So here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
That interview was absolutely useless and a utter embarrassment. He should stick to anything to do with numbers(genius) most other things FAIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAt this point, Rob can't prove he played it, and no one can prove he didn't. There are a few things one could do to find out what is significantly more likely. I had some interest but it would have taken some effort. Mike's premature interview kind of spoiled it as far as I was concerned. His interview really didn't get to the bottom of anything. I begged Mike to wait, but he went forward with it unprepared. I don't think Mike cared to prove or disprove it, he was just doing it to get Rob side of the story and let people make their own judgment. If any concrete evidence comes out that it wasn't true, Rob can always just claim it was all part of some big troll. So here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
BoSox, why do you think the "mob" as you called us didn't believe Rob's double up bug? Do you think the fact that he has lied about all these other claims, half of which I can't even remember and changed stories and timelines for 2 decades had anything to do with people's first reaction to not believe him? Hell I can even find posts where Rob first stated he bought a Newell for 900k. Then it was 1.1 million, 1.5 million and finally 1.6 million. Almost every single thing he said and claimed, some of them pretty minor, turns out to be not true or the truth severely stretched. That is what credibility is. You lie and lie and lie and expect people to believe your next fantastic claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Bosox let me ask you this...did you read what Rob wrote back, I don't even know what year it was, but when the Kane/Nester story broke and was being discussed right on this very forum? Rob wrote what they did was illegal and they should go to jail. He now says that was to deflect people. Who? who on this forum was thinking Rob could have possibly stumbled onto that play that he needed to "deflect'? Absurd.
If he really had been involved with that play, when the Kane/Nestor story broke and was being talked about here, Rob would have said nothing....not a word.
I mean just imagine if Rob's claim was true....it isn't so that is a lot of imagining, but try hard to imagine it was. They were busted in 2009. The story didn't really break until the Wired articled a couple years later as they were going through the legal process. A year or two later is still well within the statute of limitations that Rob told us he was so worried about. So he makes his comments here and is arrested afterwards. He will have admitted that he knew it was a crime and thinks he should have gone to jail.
But the fact is Rob made that up after the story broke. And he had to change his primary long running claim, of 10 years playing the Singer progression to accommodate this new claim. I mean come on there has to be a point that a guy who keeps lying, making up nearly impossible claim, after nearly impossible claim has zero credibility. Rob was way past that point.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
It was because of THAT interview that Rob himself tied the double up bug to the Newell. He did that. No one put that on him. He did that which made it fair for people to look into the Newell. And Rob became so desperate he did that stunt at the RV dealership, the phony bill of sales, and the phony ad and sale, which for anybody being even a little objective proved the RV and subsequently the double up was a hoax.
And what I posted today, the timeline that again Rob himself said, proves that he was a losing player for the 6 years prior to the time he wrote the book claiming to be a "winning professional player".
So that interview really exposed 2 of Rob's biggest claims in the last 20 years as made up. And in both cases it was he himself that exposed himself (no comments please BoSox). How does the saying go? Given enough rope a liar will always hang himself. I don't think it was any great skill on Wizard's part, but he did provide the rope and Rob hung himself......twice it turns out. :rolleyes:
You the man now Dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJSee this post right here, exemplifies your problem mickey. I am absolutely thrilled that you live in a state that has more cows than people, so you were able to get your socialized vaccine earlier than some of the rest of us. I really am. I was worried that you might be a little pig-headed about it and am glad you weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ever since you "surrendered" to Rob you have been trying to pick a fight with me and others. I don't read other forums that you are on, but it sounds like that is all you do. I guess you need and want that negative attention. But with me, you are trying to fight with a guy that isn't fighting you back. I have no need to. You are an AP that I respect his AP abilities that seems to enjoy being a jerk online. That is your call.
So good for you for getting your socialized vaccine and being back making money. I am happy for you. A little jealous, but happy.
Hey Axel, I see you chimed in recently. Could you give your opinion on your COWARD friend posting misleading phony details about a member from this site?
You always seemed to be the fair level headed type.
Are you talking about MaxPen and him having some damning information about Rob singer? "misleading phony details about a member from this site?" Perhaps I missed something, because, from what I understand is that Max said he was going to post something at some point but has yet to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I have no clue what evidence he has, I haven't even ask him and I have seen or talked to him a number of times since he posted that. It is rare that I think about the going on's of the forums once I'm not directly looking at them. If Max says he has something, then I have no doubt he does. At that point, it might all come down to one's own opinion, you might laugh at the information he has, where someone else might think it's jaw dropping put a nail in the coffin type of info. Should he or shouldn't he post it? I guess it depends on what it is. Let's say it's some seriously damning personal information. I don't think Singer has ever done anything to MaxPen that would rise to the level of hurting or shaming Rob in any serious way. Assuming he has something serious, but it's not really related to disproving the Newell, if he played the double up bug, or his gambling claims. I don't think he should. If he does, I wouldn't change my opinion about Max, you might think he's an ass, but calling him a coward is pretty far off base.
I would also like to say, People have the right to change their minds after giving something more thought.
Furthermore, if I felt a friend or somebody I liked was doing something that I felt was strongly distasteful, I would discuss it in private.
What are the phony details?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Looks like this Rob resides in England with his lawyer in Arizona. This is what you get with dollar fifty search engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
You had to know this would be the response. Wonder what fraud you have set up for an explanation.
MaxPen, are the games completed as far as you are concerned? Or are you just warming up?
Could you explain about the following:
Copies of the foregoing
.. mailed or delivered to:
Robert H. Argentino
11126Wainwright
Werrington Peterborough 14 England PE45AH
Axel, don't take it personal, but my personal opinion about your last post, confirms to me you might be as big a bullshitting con artist as MaxPrick.
You spend your life on these forums, saw Max several times after his threat, and didn't even ask about what he has with the hottest thread presently on this site?
Your loyalty to the AP club is second to none.
BULLSHIT
Little bit of reverse psychology, humor, false witness and perhaps some truth!?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Good Post.
Made me Laugh.
I'll give him some credit for giving Singer a platform, to look like a ass. Other then that the Manboy interview was atrocious.There's no doubt Axel would have grilled him and put Robbie on the hot seat, to extract a lot more out of the process. Even with Axel going incognito for the interview(obvious reasons) would have yielded a much better result. Also you brownosing kissing weak wizards butthole, for that pathetic interview was nauseating. I'll repeat other then him allowing a platform for Singer to hang himself, which Axel could have done infinite times better, was a epic failure. Manboy and his ego, not letting Axel ask the gritty questions necessary, in order to reap the exposure from it. Stick to numbers Manboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBoSox, why do you think the "mob" as you called us didn't believe Rob's double up bug? Do you think the fact that he has lied about all these other claims, half of which I can't even remember and changed stories and timelines for 2 decades had anything to do with people's first reaction to not believe him? Hell I can even find posts where Rob first stated he bought a Newell for 900k. Then it was 1.1 million, 1.5 million and finally 1.6 million. Almost every single thing he said and claimed, some of them pretty minor, turns out to be not true or the truth severely stretched. That is what credibility is. You lie and lie and lie and expect people to believe your next fantastic claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Bosox let me ask you this...did you read what Rob wrote back, I don't even know what year it was, but when the Kane/Nester story broke and was being discussed right on this very forum? Rob wrote what they did was illegal and they should go to jail. He now says that was to deflect people. Who? who on this forum was thinking Rob could have possibly stumbled onto that play that he needed to "deflect'? Absurd.
If he really had been involved with that play, when the Kane/Nestor story broke and was being talked about here, Rob would have said nothing....not a word.
I mean just imagine if Rob's claim was true....it isn't so that is a lot of imagining, but try hard to imagine it was. They were busted in 2009. The story didn't really break until the Wired articled a couple years later as they were going through the legal process. A year or two later is still well within the statute of limitations that Rob told us he was so worried about. So he makes his comments here and is arrested afterwards. He will have admitted that he knew it was a crime and thinks he should have gone to jail.
But the fact is Rob made that up after the story broke. And he had to change his primary long running claim, of 10 years playing the Singer progression to accommodate this new claim. I mean come on there has to be a point that a guy who keeps lying, making up nearly impossible claim, after nearly impossible claim has zero credibility. Rob was way past that point.
Dude, you can believe whatever fuck you want, but it won't change the facts. I just didn't/don't care enough to ask, it never even crossed my mind. Perhaps it will cross my mind now, but I'm not even going to ask since I don't have a burning desire to know, unlike some of you who are waiting on the edge of your seats while moistening your panties.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I get it, you are the poster child for schadenfreude(You didn't choose that particular name for nothing), it gives you the opportunity to skewer someone either way. If the goods Max has are not up to your standards you get to do what you do best, and be a dick. And, if the goods are enough, you will revel in Rob's misery. It must really be pissing you off that Max won't post it up so you can finally get off and drench those pinks.
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Listen dickweed, no one here is being fooled by your phony I could care less posts on this subject. You eat, shit, and sleep with these forums close by. You didn’t make 21 thousand posts between two forums with a just don’t / didn’t care attitude. So just stop with your lying bullshit. Now that’s exactly what I believe and I’m certain that is in fact the facts.
Your MaxPrick pal is the one that started this whole fucking thing.
Now after leading the forum members on for five fucking months, 52 pages, and 1,023 posts, (only at this point) it turns out he’s a lying sack of shit with nothing. He has no goods since without doubt they would have been posted for everyone to see a long time ago. If he had anything of value, he wouldn’t have tried to slip a phony document about the wrong person with same name past us.
You know what’s pissing me and I’m sure several others off? Just the fact that you, MaxPrick, Kewlj, and few others would try to pull the wool over our eyes. The only ones wearing pink panties around here are MaxPrick and Kiwlj. Then you expect us to believe all your fantasy stories about your wealthy degenerate gambling careers.
Fuck off and stick that MaxPrick up your fucking ass. (hurry before Kewlj finds him and claims it’s his)
I bestow upon you the "I care the most" award for this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Listen dickweed, no one here is being fooled by your phony I could care less posts on this subject. You eat, shit, and sleep with these forums close by. You didn’t make 21 thousand posts between two forums with a just don’t / didn’t care attitude. So just stop with your lying bullshit. Now that’s exactly what I believe and I’m certain that is in fact the facts.
Your MaxPrick pal is the one that started this whole fucking thing.
Now after leading the forum members on for five fucking months, 52 pages, and 1,023 posts, (only at this point) it turns out he’s a lying sack of shit with nothing. He has no goods since without doubt they would have been posted for everyone to see a long time ago. If he had anything of value, he wouldn’t have tried to slip a phony document about the wrong person with same name past us.
You know what’s pissing me and I’m sure several others off? Just the fact that you, MaxPrick, Kewlj, and few others would try to pull the wool over our eyes. The only ones wearing pink panties around here are MaxPrick and Kiwlj. Then you expect us to believe all your fantasy stories about your wealthy degenerate gambling careers.
Fuck off and stick that MaxPrick up your fucking ass. (hurry before Kewlj finds him and claims it’s his)
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Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You finally got something right. I care an awful lot when certain misleading lying people try to make fools out of others just so they could pound their ego chests.
You made some sense here. Did you take the mask off and get outside with the fresh air?
This is a prime example of why you are the dumbest bozo on this forum. Even topping Tasha. You runoff speculating about shit you haven't a clue about.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeLooks like this Rob resides in England with his lawyer in Arizona. This is what you get with dollar fifty search engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
You had to know this would be the response. Wonder what fraud you have set up for an explanation.
Page 1 Line 28 will corroborate to anyone who cares this is our very own Grandpa Newell. As for the England address, I will let you ponder on that. It's good for a challenged person such as yourself to have something to occupy what little mind you have.
I don't care what the her name is. I'm concerned about the address in England, you fucking fraud.
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Originally Posted by MaxPenThis is a prime example of why you are the dumbest bozo on this forum. Even topping Tasha. You runoff speculating about shit you haven't a clue about.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeLooks like this Rob resides in England with his lawyer in Arizona. This is what you get with dollar fifty search engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
You had to know this would be the response. Wonder what fraud you have set up for an explanation.
Page 1 Line 28 will corroborate to anyone who cares this is our very own Grandpa Newell. As for the England address, I will let you ponder on that. It's good for a challenged person such as yourself to have something to occupy what little mind you have.
Guys,
I haven't followed the back-and-forth as closely as I should have, I guess, but I do think Singer mentioned a couple of times that he had lived in the UK for a stretch. I don't remember if he mentioned it on this forum, specifically.
Let's just clear some things up. I said I was going to unleash a shit storm to rain down upon Grandpa Newell. Singer went straight to the storm shelter in the hopes it would pass. Why?? Because he knows that I could wreck the pitiful existence he has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAre you talking about MaxPen and him having some damning information about Rob singer? "misleading phony details about a member from this site?" Perhaps I missed something, because, from what I understand is that Max said he was going to post something at some point but has yet to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I have no clue what evidence he has, I haven't even ask him and I have seen or talked to him a number of times since he posted that. It is rare that I think about the going on's of the forums once I'm not directly looking at them. If Max says he has something, then I have no doubt he does. At that point, it might all come down to one's own opinion, you might laugh at the information he has, where someone else might think it's jaw dropping put a nail in the coffin type of info. Should he or shouldn't he post it? I guess it depends on what it is. Let's say it's some seriously damning personal information. I don't think Singer has ever done anything to MaxPen that would rise to the level of hurting or shaming Rob in any serious way. Assuming he has something serious, but it's not really related to disproving the Newell, if he played the double up bug, or his gambling claims. I don't think he should. If he does, I wouldn't change my opinion about Max, you might think he's an ass, but calling him a coward is pretty far off base.
I would also like to say, People have the right to change their minds after giving something more thought.
Furthermore, if I felt a friend or somebody I liked was doing something that I felt was strongly distasteful, I would discuss it in private.
I am not inclined to do such things just out of spite. Even though if the shoe was on the other foot it is doubtful Singer would show any mercy. For now the storm remains at sea. Gramps has been told he can come out to play if he is so inclined. Even shit talk some. Because he is funny AF when he gets on a roll. But after your gig is completely up, I guess it is normal to be somewhat gun shy.
Singer himself has brought his 20+ year troll to an end.
You're a fraud .... Case Closed
So sorry for your loss......lolQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Gotta agree here...coming on and asking a bunch of people (whiny little bitch voice) “should I spill the beans on what I know on so and so and ruin his existence”, and then not post anything is weak shitQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Wow, I really didn't realize just how much you actually DO care, so much so that you are projecting. This s*** IS eating you up alive inside not knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Listen dickweed, no one here is being fooled by your phony I could care less posts on this subject. You eat, shit, and sleep with these forums close by. You didn’t make 21 thousand posts between two forums with a just don’t / didn’t care attitude. So just stop with your lying bullshit. Now that’s exactly what I believe and I’m certain that is in fact the facts.
Your MaxPrick pal is the one that started this whole fucking thing.
Now after leading the forum members on for five fucking months, 52 pages, and 1,023 posts, (only at this point) it turns out he’s a lying sack of shit with nothing. He has no goods since without doubt they would have been posted for everyone to see a long time ago. If he had anything of value, he wouldn’t have tried to slip a phony document about the wrong person with same name past us.
You know what’s pissing me and I’m sure several others off? Just the fact that you, MaxPrick, Kewlj, and few others would try to pull the wool over our eyes. The only ones wearing pink panties around here are MaxPrick and Kiwlj. Then you expect us to believe all your fantasy stories about your wealthy degenerate gambling careers.
Fuck off and stick that MaxPrick up your fucking ass. (hurry before Kewlj finds him and claims it’s his)
That number of post is done over many years, I think somebody did the math the other day and its about 5 posts a day. Meanwhile, certain people probably have dedicated much more time an effort with far less posts. From my understanding, you've never met anyone from the forums, you are not an advantage player, you don't seem to talk about Vegas or gambling, you seem to dislike most people on the forums, and yet here you are caring. As I can see, you're still very salty at the fact that you couldn't figure out how to beat the casinos yourself.
You are not thinking clearly either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneGotta agree here...coming on and asking a bunch of people (whiny little bitch voice) “should I spill the beans on what I know on so and so and ruin his existence”, and then not post anything is weak shitQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
It is amazing how many people exist that literally have to be led down a path with an ABC explanation of every step in order to understand anything. Of course, those same people are the ones who fall for fabricated stories. When the truth stares them in the face they remain in denial. Because the truth does not fulfill their preconceptions.
Since people are quoting Blackhole, I have the joy of seeing some of his bitter posts towards anyone who makes money from a casino, even though I have him blocked. He repeatedly states that I am wrong for categorizing him as anti-AP, but in every single post, he is attacking some different AP and often all AP's as a group.
He is not worth quoting but, he said something to the effect that AP's expect others to believe fantasy stories about "wealthy" gambling careers. Frankly I don't see many other AP's talk about what they make. I wish they would. I would like to know what some of the guys playing to bigger edges like jbjb make and just how much time they put in to make it. I am curious to know what a guy like Axelwolf that has his hand in so many different types of AP makes (so i know just how jealous to be). :rolleyes: I would like to know what MaxPen makes. I would like to know what mickeycrimm, a guy who I see similarities to what I do, a grinder playing lower limits, except he is a machine player, makes.
I have never heard any of these guys talk about what they make and how much time they put in to make it. Now I do share what I make. I decided a long time ago that I was going to try to share as much of my journey and experiences including what I make, so people could see just what a grinder type player can make. And anybody that has paid attention to me and what I have shared calling it "wealthy gambling careers" is a flat out idiot. Last year I made 14k from blackjack and another 10k from my supplemental machine play. 24k for a year, and now it is 24k over the last 15 months. "Wealthy"! ;)
And yes, while this last year has been a bit unusual, the 80k that I average (please understand what average means), qualifies as anything but wealthy. My career is a grind. So I am not sure what bitter old, anti-APer blackhole is so angry about. I mean the guy tells us he has done well in life and made millions and millions, and yet he is bitter, angry and jealous of AP's grinding out a modest living and in most cases working pretty hard to do so. Something doesn't add up. :confused:
KJ, $80,000 a year playing BJ impresses me. For a while, I was teaching in a prison 5 days a week and running groups for a prison diversion program on Saturdays and still didn't gross 80K. It was nice, though, having paid vacations, sick leave, health insurance, and retirement plans. I liked what i did and what I got out of it, so I wouldn't trade places. I am impressed though, and appreciate you sharing.
I too would be fascinated by the financial success of other, known to be real, AP's on this board. I am not holding my breath though. Between peoples' sense of privacy and the trolling of even consistently reasonable claims, I wouldn't expect people to share much.
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Originally Posted by MaxPenLet's just clear some things up. I said I was going to unleash a shit storm to rain down upon Grandpa Newell. Singer went straight to the storm shelter in the hopes it would pass. Why?? Because he knows that I could wreck the pitiful existence he has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAre you talking about MaxPen and him having some damning information about Rob singer? "misleading phony details about a member from this site?" Perhaps I missed something, because, from what I understand is that Max said he was going to post something at some point but has yet to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I have no clue what evidence he has, I haven't even ask him and I have seen or talked to him a number of times since he posted that. It is rare that I think about the going on's of the forums once I'm not directly looking at them. If Max says he has something, then I have no doubt he does. At that point, it might all come down to one's own opinion, you might laugh at the information he has, where someone else might think it's jaw dropping put a nail in the coffin type of info. Should he or shouldn't he post it? I guess it depends on what it is. Let's say it's some seriously damning personal information. I don't think Singer has ever done anything to MaxPen that would rise to the level of hurting or shaming Rob in any serious way. Assuming he has something serious, but it's not really related to disproving the Newell, if he played the double up bug, or his gambling claims. I don't think he should. If he does, I wouldn't change my opinion about Max, you might think he's an ass, but calling him a coward is pretty far off base.
I would also like to say, People have the right to change their minds after giving something more thought.
Furthermore, if I felt a friend or somebody I liked was doing something that I felt was strongly distasteful, I would discuss it in private.
I am not inclined to do such things just out of spite. Even though if the shoe was on the other foot it is doubtful Singer would show any mercy. For now the storm remains at sea. Gramps has been told he can come out to play if he is so inclined. Even shit talk some. Because he is funny AF when he gets on a roll. But after your gig is completely up, I guess it is normal to be somewhat gun shy.
Singer himself has brought his 20+ year troll to an end.
I think this could in fact be an April fools joke at the membership expense, co-conspired by Max and Rob together. Although, that would be one sick joke. First I do not think that MaxPen would go and do what he claimed. I think that he is much smarter than that. Second I do not believe that Singer would let himself be intimidated into almost blackmail and back down like what supposedly he is doing. There are games taking place and we are the victims.
Oh for God sakes! I am really starting to worry about you Mr BoSox. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
That's the thing. It isn't even an apples to apples comparison. I get no vacation pay. Can take all the vacations and vacation days I want, but at my expense with no pay. I get no sick leave or pay. And I have had some medical issues requiring time off. That means no money coming in. I do have good health insurance, but of course I pay for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasilla
And retirement. Technically I have zero towards retirement. Being a player that started from almost nothing much of my winnings went towards building a bigger bankroll, which allowed me to earn more. I think this is the case with most guys starting out. Now after 17 years, my entire worth is between a couple hundred k bankroll and my home that is fully paid. Like I said, zero retirement at the moment. At some point when I stop playing, my bankroll will fold into retirement money and I hope to have established some retirement money by then to add it too. It is just a different situation from someone my age working a career job.