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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

How many times have you drug you ignorant ass back to this forum after being banned? Three times to be exact. You promised "please, please, please, I'll be on my best behavior" if you could come back. You are the one that can't live without this forum.

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Rob can't get published anymore, can he? He doesn't have a website anymore, and he probably realizes that self publishing another book would be money down the drain.

He must have really given up on a comeback because instead of using this and other forums to rebuild his image he's decided to drown and take down as many others as he can.

It's "public suicide by forum abuse" and I'm sorry you've given up, Rob. You could have been a champ.

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Alan, why would you think I am in any way interested in having anything to do with publications, or am concerned with this "public suicide" you're talking about? That period of my career is completed, and very successfully to every anonymous AP's lament.

What I find sad is how you are totally unable to just leave this stuff behind and cut your losses here. Why does it have to be such an important part of your daily life? I would guess you do have a lot of other more meaningful things going on, right? That's really all it takes not to be like mickey, kew, etc. and neurotically worry about "forum abuse".

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You tried to squeeze your way back in when the widow sold Gaming Today. Didn't work, did it?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

It's obvious. Kew is a fairy who just can't take it. He holds grudges, he hates to be disagreed with, he whines non-stop over the most insignificant things, and he responds to the tough questions with personal attacks. And for icing on the rainbow cake, he is forever unable to do what he says when he makes all those big announcements that he's "leaving for good". A totally disgusting weak individual of the first order.

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How many times have you drug you ignorant ass back to this forum after being banned? Three times to be exact. You promised "please, please, please, I'll be on my best behavior" if you could come back. You are the one that can't live without this forum.

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You're making things up again mickey, which means the agitation level is climbing. I've never asked to be reinstated and I never would. I have been asked back both times. If it never happened, I have what neither of you bozos do--a meaningful life with a family. You're nothing but a lonely old man with no past, present, or future to be proud of.

The fun part would be how devastated a lifelong slug like you would be if you were to get kicked off of here too. Just look at what a mess kew is after being blackballed by wizard. This stuff is his entire life, day roasted in a bed of virtual reality. I just can't IMAGINE the amount of anguish you'd endure if not having this forum to spew your storytelling on became a reality.

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This should be attached to every post blacklyingasshole makes:

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob can't get published anymore, can he? He doesn't have a website anymore, and he probably realizes that self publishing another book would be money down the drain.

He must have really given up on a comeback because instead of using this and other forums to rebuild his image he's decided to drown and take down as many others as he can.

It's "public suicide by forum abuse" and I'm sorry you've given up, Rob. You could have been a champ.

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Alan, why would you think I am in any way interested in having anything to do with publications, or am concerned with this "public suicide" you're talking about? That period of my career is completed, and very successfully to every anonymous AP's lament.

What I find sad is how you are totally unable to just leave this stuff behind and cut your losses here. Why does it have to be such an important part of your daily life? I would guess you do have a lot of other more meaningful things going on, right? That's really all it takes not to be like mickey, kew, etc. and neurotically worry about "forum abuse".

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You tried to squeeze your way back in when the widow sold Gaming Today. Didn't work, did it?

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Get your lies straight mickey. I still have several friends there. They asked me to consider it before I had any contact, and I refused.

But here's a thought: you like to write your nonsense and it's only seen by the few who bother with this forum. I could likely get you in. Then just think of the possibilities. Millions would then be able to see what a bum you are!

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Alan, why would you think I am in any way interested in having anything to do with publications, or am concerned with this "public suicide" you're talking about? That period of my career is completed, and very successfully to every anonymous AP's lament.

What I find sad is how you are totally unable to just leave this stuff behind and cut your losses here. Why does it have to be such an important part of your daily life? I would guess you do have a lot of other more meaningful things going on, right? That's really all it takes not to be like mickey, kew, etc. and neurotically worry about "forum abuse".

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You tried to squeeze your way back in when the widow sold Gaming Today. Didn't work, did it?

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Get your lies straight mickey. I still have several friends there. They asked me to consider it before I had any contact, and I refused.

But here's a thought: you like to write your nonsense and it's only seen by the few who bother with this forum. I could likely get you in. Then just think of the possibilities. Millions would then be able to see what a bum you are!

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Just more lying Robocchio bullshit. The number of people that read Gaming Today is no more than thousands, if that. I remember the rag. There weren't that many copies spread around town. The widow fired your punk ass and the new owners don't want you. Remember, you told us you were going to have some things published again. That is, when you thought you could squeeze your punk ass back in. They told you to fuck off and die. Then you let the story die here that you were going to have some more things published.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Just more lying Robocchio bullshit. The number of people that read Gaming Today is no more than thousands, if that. I remember the rag. There weren't that many copies spread around town. The widow fired your punk ass and the new owners don't want you. Remember, you told us you were going to have some things published again. That is, when you thought you could squeeze your punk ass back in. They told you to fuck off and die. Then you let the story die here that you were going to have some more things published.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJq4re2d-0

Blackhole the Sniveler, you're the little crybaby bitch. That's all you do here. Do your grown kids know daddy acts like a little baby online? Keep crying and sniveling like a little punk. That's all you're good for.

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Blackhole the Sniveler, you're the little crybaby bitch. That's all you do here. Do your grown kids know daddy acts like a little baby online? Keep crying and sniveling like a little punk. That's all you're good for.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJq4re2d-0

Snivel on....Blackhole the Sniveler.

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DarkOz

Joined: Dec 22, 2009
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January 14th, 2019 at 8:44:17

Hiyall. Im back

As you know I had a great win at the River Dragons related in the AGS must-hits thread only to discover my house had been burglarized

I will try to relate the events of the last 6 days. The most chaotic of my career. It still feels a bit unreal. I hope it will be cathartic but I wont be able to relate everything in one post. I will add over the next few days as I find the time.

As you read this post I am sure you guys will understand why I had to stay away from here for awhile. My entire focus was singular for the last few days.

Out of necessity I need to not mention a few details or change a detail or two but what I am relating is 99% accurate to what happened

The first thing obvious about the burglary was it was done by a professional. The security systems were easily overcome. Locks were picked with minimal damage using special tools.

Next, NO electonics were taken, not a thousands dollar stereo home theater system nor a 7 grand television. The two laptops were left in their place. No furniture was overturned, the house was not searched. Everything was left pretty much in place.

The person went straight for 2 pieces of unique furniture located in separate rooms behind which were hidden safes. These were easily opened. All money and valuables were removed.

Im not at liberty to say how much. Trust me, it was a big blow!

After those 2 locations the person went to one other location in a different room. They opened one cabinet only so they knew what they were looking for.

It was where thousands of my casino players cards from the hundreds of people I have dealt with through my whole career were stored. Dead cards, live cards, future cards.

THEY TOOK EVERY SINGLE PLAYERS CARD!

They had no pins. But they now had every name and corresponding account number from every casino in every market I'm hitting now and in the past.

There were only 5 people who knew the locations and contents of the safes and cabinet

I was facing the worst AP nightmare possible.

Someone from my most trusted inner circle of family and loved ones had not only robbed me but was trying to destroy me as well.

I am not trying to milk this one. I really dont think I can go on for now. I will continue this tomorrow.

See you guys then


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Karma.
Wearing a Mask Does Not Work.
Hanging out with WoN and others does not work.
Best AP on the East Coast does not matter.
Greatest AP team on on the East Coast does not matter.
Involving your daughter into the AP lifestyle is not a great decision.
WoN already proved that to you.
Not very smart posting this to everyone IMO.
It can all come crashing down at any moment.

The story continues about the Most Feared AP on the East Coast...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...p-nightmare/3/

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Alright. Lets continue

I understood the money and valuables being taken. It was the casino cards that were most disturbing. All the suspects who knew the locations were also members of my crew who would know the cards were worthless without pins

I had to assume they were for leverage or possible future blackmail.

For certain, if the stolen goods ever got retrieved by the police that would be an even worse fiasco. None of the cards were stolen. I had no issues with criminality. Everyone was allowing me to use them. But police have this moral compass which would compel them to return the cards to the casinos and notify them of how they had been acquired ("we caught a thief and these were in his possession"). I couldnt even report them stolen ("yeah officer and besides money about a thousand players cards from multiple casinos in 100 different peoples names")

I made the painful decision not to involve the authorities. I was on my own with this one

5 suspects. The only people who knew the locations AND contents of the safes

My current girlfriend: known her for 3 years. One of my most trusted people she had risen quickly due to her savvy honesty and ability. Contrary to what my family thinks it wasnt because of great sex(I have had grest sex with others and they didnt get high positions)

She was also younger than my own daughter being about half my age. (For those who met me at this year's Spring Fling that woman on my arm was her)

My former girlfriend: friends for 25 years. One of the only people who helped me off the streets when I was homeless before my AP career began. Her children consider me a surrogate father. It seemed inconceivable she would now try something like this.

My daughter: very close. Just cant imagine. She was with my kids at her mother's house the entire day of the robbery

My son: we were just working out some differences that had kept our relationship rocky bur nothing that would make me suspect him of robbing me. Besides he had the perfect alibi. He was physically with me the day of the robbery while I clobbered the River Dragons

My former son-in-law: He was unfortunately the immediate suspect. It wasnt character-wise. He is a decent man with my daughter for 13 years. It was the circumstances.

The breakup was bitter with infidelity issues on both sides

That week was a big argument over his discovery of a family secret - my daughter had been seeing someone else and was getting remarried. The wedding was imminent-within the month. (My future son-in-law was accounted for. He and my daughter were at her mother's house with the kids the entire day of the robbery plus he had never been told the locations of the safes. My daughter was adamant she had not told him. Casino wise, I had him starting at the bottom just like everyone else. He knew very little about what I did)

My former son-in-law had told me he was moving to Florida where he had family for a new start. I had questioned him about finances and knew he was almost broke. So how was he going to make this supposed big move

My daughter had vehemently told him there was no hope of him getting the kids

He was also an auto-mechanic with tools. Out of all the suspects he had the most likely ability to open the safes

The night in question he was alone. The kids were with their grandmother. My daughter and her fiance were also there. She herself had told him so he knew my house was empty

His cellphone had been mysteriously off the entire day of the robbery

It would also explain the casino cards being taken. There was a possibility of a scorched earth mentality. If I am not benefiting no one is. A vindictive attempt to make everyone suffer like he was

It was most likely my former son-in-law. There was no 2 ways about it

His first ardent supporter was my own daughter. She couldnt be6he would do that. I pointed out the closest family members are the first suspects and listed all the reasons above. I mean, people have been murdered for those motives! Custody disputes, seeing an ex get remarried etc.

I didnt want him told we knew about the robbery but my daughter felt she had to question him. He called me immediately

He denied all involvement but hey we all know thats what would be said. However his impassioned denial did bring one thing up. He pointed out he never would harm his children and taking food out their mouths would be unthinkable. I didn't think he would harm his kids either.

I didnt know what to think. He was still suspect numero uno.

That first day I spent more time on the phone than ever in my life. Endless discussions with the upper echelon team members. The lower echelon team members were frantically calling. Some wanted to know more details or give their two cent sleuthing. Some wanted to know if future payments were affected (I would have the money for everyone i assured them and that wss true. I wasn't broke by any means). Some gave me offers to "handle the situation" once I knew who did it. I politely declined those offers. Im not trying to move my legit AP team into the realms of a criminal organization. No one was getting tortured and dumped in the East River (no matter how tempting)

By midday everyone was accusing someone else of the theft. It was clear the accusations were along prior personal fractures. Anyone who had a history or beef with another pointed the finger at that person. The accusations were not helpful and getting me nowhere

By evening however there seemed to be a consensus amongst almost everyone that is was my current girlfriend. Everyone thought she had slept her way up to a high position so she could go in for the kill

I was hearing this from my daughter. My son-in-law. My ex-girlfriend (naturally). My future son-in-law.

My current gf was the last person with me in the house before I left for my trip. I had actually opened the safe to show her the contents. To let her know how well I was doing. Yeah bragging i suppose

I had to concede the point that there was a strong possibility it had been her. But she had never done me dirty ("that makes this a perfect time to rob you" said my daughter)

I was going to have to make a very difficult phone call. I was going to have to question my girlfriend!

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True Story or is DarkOz writing Hollywood scripts yet again?

This is starting to sound like a work of fiction for a novel.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...p-nightmare/6/

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Here we go again:

My girlfriend has all the attributes that makes a good AP. Smart and quick mentally. It was these same attributes that made everyone believe she was the thief. She was smart enough to go for a crazy long con that had finally paid off

When I told the others I doubted this I was accused of falling for the con hook line and sinker

I made the phone call but was smart enough not to accuse her. You have to be delicate if you want to keep your girlfriend in this situation

Basically I lamented to her how someone I knew was lying directly to my face and I had no clue who it was except I trusted everyone equally

And I didnt know how to move forward except to talk to each and every person

She said she understood. She wishes I never showed her any hiding places but she knew I had to look at everything

"I am not that type of person who would do this but lets just say I was. Obviously I would be trying to get away with it and obviously I am feeling pretty confident I can if I am pulling off this caper, right?"

"Ok," I replied

"So I would want you to get back on your feet financially as soon as possible so maybe I can do it again. I might take the money and the valuables but I would not take the casino cards. I know they are useless to me and take away your chance to rebuild. If I robbed you I would not take the cards for that reason.

"Now lets say this person does have your pins"

"He doesnt," I assured her

"Lets just say he did. What would you do next?"

"I would have everyone go change their pins"

"Right. So this person was being vindictive. Even with the pins the cards had limited value since all your people would just go down and block the guy. This person knows that and is just trying to hurt you. And so we come back to your former son-in-law I guess as the main suspect"

"Now I have been aware of your schedule for these whole three years. I had plenty of opportunities to rob you before. Why would I do it now?

"Everyone else says its some long con you had planned.," I pointed out

"For three years? I have been giving you my loving for three years just to do a con? I can tell you one thing. If it was a long con, I would not have been THAT generous.

"Why cant I just be with you because I genuinely want to?"

"I know, I know. I'm just clueless right now. Its just your short tenure versus everyone else so everyone is looking at you."

"Well, thats messed up but if its about short tenure then isnt your daughters fiance the likely suspect? They've known each other shorter than we have.

"Yeah but he was with my daughter the day of the robbery. And he knows very little about what I do."

"But hes with your daughter all the time right?"

"Exactly!"

"Even in the casinos when shes gambling?"

"Yeah," I replied. "They're inseparable."

"So he sees money coming in from the cards. He knows they're valuable but doesnt know how. Doesn't know that if he swiped them they would be worthless?"

She had my attention. I hadnt thought of plain old stupidity as a possibility for the cards being taken.

"That does not explain how he would know where everything was in my house. My daughter swears she didnt tell him. I certainly didnt."

"Well, my memory just got jogged so let me jog yours. Remember when you joked I was losing my cleaning job a few weeks ago."

I knew what she was referring to. For three years my girlfriend had been cleaning my house on the regular. She was a neat freak and I am a bit of a slob so that worked out perfectly. The Christmas holidays had kept her away and the house was a bit messier than usual. My daughter's fiance had cleaned it because he said it was getting a bit overboard. I had wittily joked my gf was about to lose her cleaning job

"But that just proves hes a neat freak like you. Thats the argument my daughter will make."

"Did you see the condition of that bathroom? I was laughing because I wasnt losing any job. He left cigarette butts and hair clogged in the sink, open toothpaste and hair grease smudges

I am a neat freak. That is the first place I would have cleaned and certainly wouldn't have left it that way. That man is NOT a neat freak. He suddenly decides to clean the whole house and skips the bathroom?

He wasnt cleaning your house. He was casing your house. Looking for the hiding spots"

After a momentary pause, I said, "You know why you are one of my most trusted confidants? BECAUSE YOU MAKE A LOTTA GODDAMN SENSE!!!"

My future son-in-law was now added to the list of suspects.

I went back to the others with the accusations thinking it was obvious now who did it but was met with severe skepticism. Everyone else was convinced it was still my girlfriend.

My ex-girlfriend laughed. "She is sharp, that one. She just played you. Got you thinking it was someone else real easy didnt she? Hell, if shes that good let her keep the money."

My daughter was even more scathing. "My fiance was with me the whole time. You dont think I am lying do you?"

"No, of course not"

"Then we are back to your girlfriend. She has safe cracker skills? If she does then she is it."

"Not to my knowledge," I defended. Although a quick memory of my girlfriend using a hairpin to open a pair of handcuffs when a bondage session had gone wrong vomited out of my subconscious. But out of necessity I couldnt tell that little detail to my daughter.

"Well, then, maybe she had an accomplice who does. Someone she told where to go and what to do. Someone with safecracking skills. It looks like a professional right?"

I literally was stunned. The accomplice possibility meant my girlfriend could have done it

It meant my daughters fiance could have done it even though my daughter seemed to not realize she had just negated her earlier defense of him.

It meant my own son who was with me that day could have done it

It meant anyone could have done it

I was back to square one!

It was only the first day of this nightmare and I was no closer to understanding who had done this.

But after a sleep-deprived night I woke up with a simple plan.

A stupidly simple plan.

I was actually waiting for your thoughts on this Monet, obviously without personal details.

I’m on the same page as thinking it’s a story. Actually I hope it is for his sake. It sure reads like one, but I wonder how it will be taken if it is by the members over there.

Its reading like an Agatha Chrisie novel.

That alleged WOV / AP Dark (whatever) has been writing short stories and blowing smoke up everyone’s ass over there since the time I found WOV. He always bragged about climbing the AP ladder from the drudges of the homeless life, being uneducated and wanting everyone to know that. A familiar story heard from many of the alleged successful forum AP’s. Almost like being homeless and stupid is a prerequisite for AP success, if you believe their story in the first place.

Dark is the same type of attention seeker when compared to our own (stuck with) Kiwlj, the unstoppable BJ pro who has been using Las Vegas casinos like a free ATM machine for over 15 years playing BJ un-detected, to the tune of over one million dollars.

The endless stories coming from alleged superstar forum AP’s, is becoming more obvious they have a need to eventually ride the BULLSHIT TRAIN for attention, till it eventually crashes head-on with common sense exposing themselves for all to see.

Young un-experienced newbies that visit sites like this read these bullshit stories from alleged AP’s who just need attention and gloat about the non-existent good-ole days, being falsely tempted to go for it.

KJ says he just wants to help newbies that visit. Why not just tell the truth????

Blackhole the Sniveler gets to snivel some more.

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Blackhole the Sniveler gets to snivel some more.

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Hey Mickey, didn't you also claim to be a homeless hobo dumb fuck jumping around on vacant trains before taking up the AP trade? What made you see the light?

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Blackhole the Sniveler gets to snivel some more.

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Hey Mickey, didn't you also claim to be a homeless hobo dumb fuck jumping around on vacant trains before taking up the AP trade? What made you see the light?

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It was a great adventure back in the day. You wouldn't understand the freedom of it all. A lot of rich people born with silver spoons is their mouths have riding a freight train on their bucket list. The Wizard had it on his bucket list until I explained to him that you actually have to have a set of balls to ride trains. It's not for lightweights. It's not the trains that are dangerous. It's the people that ride them. There are no witnesses to anything when you are in the middle of nowhere and you ain't calling 911. You have to take care of the problem yourself.

My ex rode the rails for awhile with her boyfriend, and while she hasn't said a lot about it she did talk about witnessing a lot of violence while out there.

Not a good life, seems to me: give me four walls, a warm shower, a regular income and NFL on the big screen.

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My ex rode the rails for awhile with her boyfriend, and while she hasn't said a lot about it she did talk about witnessing a lot of violence while out there.

Not a good life, seems to me: give me four walls, a warm shower, a regular income and NFL on the big screen.

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I agree but, leave it to the two-bit slot master to pretend it was an adventure that normal people only wish to experience.

How fucking stupid can you be Mick? I thank god I never had to experience your horrors going through life and end up like you did.

Trying to convince everyone that reads this shit how great your life is explains why your busy answering every single post on this site.