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Originally Posted by Moses

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

Millions of people have played blackjack, in one form or another, but KJ, Moses and a few others scattered across the internet on corny forums, are the only ones to crow about it? That's one hell of a conspiracy kept under wraps.

Make-believe "shills" trying to suck others into their misery. Ha, the good guys for the casinos to love.

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I can now see your skill is standing at the pulpit in judgement of others. You were probably a decent dodge ball player in your day.

But since YOU decided to lump me in a group with your sermon, let me make it simple for even you to understand.

I will let you be the house in single deck blackjack straight up. DAS, All splits up to 4 cards, pay 3.2 on all blackjacks. Double down on any two cards. No round begins after 45th card. Min. bet $5 Max $500 up to 3 hands.

20 sessions. 16 times through a deck is a session. Now much to "crow" about. But I'll put my money where my mouth is. How about you?

KJ or Rob deals.

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You don't have to judge anyone, at least not in particular, to note how strange it is that a small, handful of persons, Shackleford included, who say questionable things but show absolutely no proof of any sort, none even in the way of structured thought, end up the big winners, let alone in a hell-hole like, nay, that is Las Vegas.

Why did your wife leave you? Did it have anything to do with gambling? And who is Rob? Why would I want to have a squirrelly character like KJ involved in anything that I do?

I am capable of doing whatever I want in my own little world. For sure, if you have a way of proving something about what you do, you don't require my say or help. You don't "have to go to Montana" to prove things. (Oh, I see, I'm ducking your offer.)

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Originally Posted by Moses

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Originally Posted by Moses

I can now see your skill is standing at the pulpit in judgement of others. You were probably a decent dodge ball player in your day.

But since YOU decided to lump me in a group with your sermon, let me make it simple for even you to understand.

I will let you be the house in single deck blackjack straight up. DAS, All splits up to 4 cards, pay 3.2 on all blackjacks. Double down on any two cards. No round begins after 45th card. Min. bet $5 Max $500 up to 3 hands.

20 sessions. 16 times through a deck is a session. Now much to "crow" about. But I'll put my money where my mouth is. How about you?

KJ or Rob deals.

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You don't have to judge anyone, at least not in particular, to note how strange it is that a small, handful of persons, Shackleford included, who say questionable things but show absolutely no proof of any sort, none even in the way of structured thought, end up the big winners, let alone in a hell-hole like, nay, that is Las Vegas.

Why did your wife leave you? Did it have anything to do with gambling? And who is Rob? Why would I want to have a squirrelly character like KJ involved in anything that I do?

I am capable of doing whatever I want in my own little world. For sure, if you have a way of proving something about what you do, you don't require my say or help. You don't "have to go to Montana" to prove things. (Oh, I see, I'm ducking your offer.)

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Sounds to me like ur the one eating crow. Never been to Montana (or Spain, but i kinda like the music). Clearly "chicken" is your dish of choice.

She had a million "reasons" to leave and sell out the whole family. She had 3 million reason to stay and kill me. I would've expired long before now on that treadmill of life they kept turning up as they walked by.
If by blackjack and betting on games you mean gambling? It was after the divorce. I couldnt see sitting around a small town with self righteous blowing their own horns.

Okay. Singer it is.

I think that you should have taken the same "high road" with me that KJ should have taken with Alan, who congratulated him on his supposed win, but still got pissed on. It really goes to character more so than believability.

Ha, in a way, I had hoped that you would write something like that, just to cut to the chase to show how nutty also you are.

Did I try to tell you how ridiculous, if not really dumb, your "offer" was? Make fun of it, or you, for that matter, at any time in our conversations here? No, I treated you with the respect allowed anyone on any open forum. I ask some close questions, but in a civil manner, and, didn't demand that you answer any of those.

No, I politely just declined your offer. Went along with your poor choice of words, ducked. You must be the dumbest of the AP toads to think that I was dumb enough to be goaded into accepting such an idiotic offer here as yours for me to be "the house" but with none of the things that make up the house. Or for the sorts of games that are really out there. Aren't those one-deck games to get the suckers through the doors? For sure, I'm not in the market for more "shills".

Nothing in your offer for me, not to mention, likely, the excessive cost and effort to ever set something like that up with strangers who gamble for a living, no less.

Are you familiar with all the blah, blah, blah, of the Wizard's (legally binding) "offer" to anyone who wants to bet they have a winning gambling system? I sort of tried to hint at this, when I mentioned the notion of having a nut-job like KJ have any involvement in any such a thing. What's the Wizard, or his friend, Bluejay, with a similar offer on his site, offering? Was it $25,000 or $100,000? Or do I have that reversed? I never gave that much thought. No one who could win such a bet would accept such a bet. Think about it.

Not that long ago, I had my own fun with experimenting with some of the casino games at the local casino. Long enough to know what goes on at most blackjack tables, and casinos. I was interested in some of the mathematical and philosophical paradoxes of the game theory strategies, and, years later on, of the casino games. Although, poker was something I studied along with game theory, and some other university courses in this general area. I optimized a few of the general counts for blackjack, with fractional values for counts, and went on to work out the individual fractional counts for each of the many cases of dealer versus player, say, for the soft-count double downs, some of the most lucrative hands for the serious card counter. How those 100 or so persons who have mastered card counting get to that 4%(?) advantage? Along the way, for fun, I found myself memorizing the orders of the cards in eight-deck shoes. Lots of mathematical exercises too. But, I never took any of the casino stuff seriously. There is so much more to life. No way to live and breathe in that climate. I have to get my 3 or 4 hour walk in, everyday, let alone sit on a small stool that long.

By the way, a serious bet here may be to challenge someone to write a better program or app than you - there are already so many of those that any smart aleck could use to play that offer of yours to "win" such a non-bet blackjack "bet". I hinted about this too, with the reference to going to Montana, where Mickey waits for people to show up to watch him "make" money in casinos there with his "buddies" having already loaded the machines in advance of his "progress" for the day. $10,000 for the "privilege".

Ha, it's easy as hell to bluff everyone single one of you AP freeloaders... just add a hint of a downside. Well, Moses of "the burning bush", life is passing you by. I know, the biggest risk I ever took in my own life turned out to be my greatest benefit.

If this is how you try to maneuver others, then I feel sorry for you. No one should ever accept anything from you, certainly not another silly bet out of you. You are a waste of time. Your life is fucked up. It sure is easy to sound good on a forum for a few minutes, until the other side is heard. I think that you guys don't expect normal people to show you how wrong you are.

Let me be the first to tell you that you definitely have nothing on Singer.

Way. WAAAAY too much to read by Pastor Yung from the church of Who Flinging Poo.

He who stand on toilet seat at pulpit. High on Pot.

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Originally Posted by Moses

Way. WAAAAY too much to read by Pastor Yung from the church of Who Flinging Poo.

He who stand on toilet seat at pulpit. High on Pot.

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Sorry to make your day, there. Glad to expose you for the fraud also you are.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

But I went out of my way to find a woman who knows the best ways to nag the heck out of me. To take me just far enough away from my work and play, whatever, to see stuff I don't think I would have seen otherwise. In hindsight, I wouldn't give her up for the world. (She doesn't like it when I'm on the computer at home.)

Good to know the joys and lows of the years of each of living single and then married. Sometimes in any event, other things keep coming up for a while. This stuff I type up from home when a quiet moment. With the real work, of course, she is less able to immediately interrupt things from time to time..

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a/k/a Pussy whipped.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

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Originally Posted by monet

Bill Yung has been pretty active lately when he said he was done being active.

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As I already wrote, crackpots can't defend their work, cowards run, and cunts bitch and moan but look the other way when the chips are down.

I was pretty much done here, until MrV brought up my posts on that other forum. Check the logs. Sometimes, the best way to defend yourself is to show the simple idiocy of others, first?

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I'm sure you make her very proud.

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Originally Posted by Moses

Originally Posted by Bill Yung

But I went out of my way to find a woman who knows the best ways to nag the heck out of me. To take me just far enough away from my work and play, whatever, to see stuff I don't think I would have seen otherwise. In hindsight, I wouldn't give her up for the world. (She doesn't like it when I'm on the computer at home.)

Good to know the joys and lows of the years of each of living single and then married. Sometimes in any event, other things keep coming up for a while. This stuff I type up from home when a quiet moment. With the real work, of course, she is less able to immediately interrupt things from time to time..

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Originally Posted by Moses

a/k/a Pussy whipped.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

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Originally Posted by monet

Bill Yung has been pretty active lately when he said he was done being active.

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As I already wrote, crackpots can't defend their work, cowards run, and cunts bitch and moan but look the other way when the chips are down.

I was pretty much done here, until MrV brought up my posts on that other forum. Check the logs. Sometimes, the best way to defend yourself is to show the simple idiocy of others, first?

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I'm sure you make her very proud.

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AP on tilt? I thought that that never happened.

Moses "burns up" at post 333!

Talk about tilt? Yung is resorting back to his old ways.

Other than post #343, Yung is far more focused and condensed with his words that he used to be. .The Doctor told him to 1.) think of what he wanted to say. 2.) Focus and speak or write very slowly. He dated his wife for 7 or 8 years before he popped the question.

He'd walk her home and then wait at the door for her to come back with the $12.47 that was her share for the dinner and a movie. They'd shake hands and say good night.

He wanted to ask for her hand in marriage but he'd stray off like he does on post #343. Well, one night she invited him over for dinner and TV to save the $12.47. So Yung, was determined tonight was the night to ask her the big question. They were sitting on the sofa.

Yung looked over and saw the cat pawing at the balls on the curtain. This is my big chance he thought. But he couldn't stay focused. He started telling her all about the origin of cats, how many there are in the city, state. How many lives they have etc etc. Well, she fell asleep. So Yung knelt in front of her and gently shook her arm to wake her up. He thought to himelf "focus and speak very slowly."

So Yung looked and the cat was still pawing at the balls on curtain. So Yung said very slowly as he pointed towards the cat "ha-ha-honey th-th-that's what you can do when we get married." But by the time he got it said the cat was licking his ass.:eek:

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Originally Posted by Moses

Talk about tilt? Yung is resorting back to his old ways.

Other than post #343, Yung is far more focused and condensed with his words that he used to be. .The Doctor told him to 1.) think of what he wanted to say. 2.) Focus and speak or write very slowly. He dated his wife for 7 or 8 years before he popped the question.

He'd walk her home and then wait at the door for her to come back with the $12.47 that was her share for the dinner and a movie. They'd shake hands and say good night.

He wanted to ask for her hand in marriage but he'd stray off like he does on a post. Well, one night she invited him over for dinner and TV to save the $12.47. So Yung, was determined tonight was the night to ask her the big question. They were sitting on the sofa.

Yung looked over and saw the cat pawing at the balls on the curtain. This is my big chance he thought. But he couldn't stay focused. He started telling her all about the origin of cats, how many there are in the city, state. How many lives they have etc etc. Well, she fell asleep. So Yung knelt in front of her and gently shook her arm to wake her up. He thought to himelf "focus and speak very slowly."

So Yung looked and the cat was still pawing at the balls on curtain. So Yung said very slowly as he pointed towards the cat "ha-ha-honey th-th-that's what you can do when we get married." But by the time he got it said the cat was licking his ass.:eek:

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Garnabby still spooks 'em.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

Moses "burns up" at post 333!

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Ahem. 333 was the infamous Mr. Crimm. Focus Yung Dung Foooocuuus!

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

[I am capable of doing whatever I want in my own little world.

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Except beat baccarat which you tried to do for years. You wasted all that time on the wrong game. But it explains your sour outlook on gambling.

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[I am capable of doing whatever I want in my own little world.

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Except beat baccarat which you tried to do for years. You wasted all that time on the wrong game. But it explains your sour outlook on gambling.

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We are ready to give up only what we truly understand.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

I am capable of doing whatever I want in my own little world.

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That's the benefit of incessant delusional fantasies.

Only an AP or someone glued to a slot machine would confuse delusional fantasies with benefits.

The Wizard's forum is that way. Better hurry because theirs definitely isn't incessant. Low-grade. You don't have to garble it.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

Only an AP or someone glued to a slot machine would confuse delusional fantasies with benefits.
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Define AP. I know the initials are for Advantage Player.

Advantage players play advantages. You have to write that the other way around, as playable advantages, to see the dangers with the first definition. Not all advantages lead to better things. Improvement is what we do to climb out of a ditch; betterment is what we do to make the most of it.

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Advantage players play advantages..

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Notes to self. AP is a self given term. Many self professed APs buy a book and think thresholds are advantages. A threshold may never render a profit in a players lifetime.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

You have to write that the other way around, as playable advantages, to see the dangers with the first definition.

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PA-good term. VS - Value Spotter.

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Not all advantages lead to better things..

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Value doesn't ALWAYS win.

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Improvement is what we do to climb out of a ditch.

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BUT it keeps one out of the ditch.

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betterment is what we do to make the most of it.

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The best Value Spotters find profits with far less volatility because there is little no ditch to dig out of in the first place.

Value Seekers do not care about training others, informing newbies, being part of a group. They only care about two things; Finding Value and Making Money. That's investing - Not gambling. For instance, suppose I told you about a "sure thing" horse going off at 4 to 1. Now you bet a load and tell someone else, and so on. Now the horse wins but was bet down to 7 to 5. Thus the value is gone. The gambler loads up on the next race which is of little value. Same 7.5 shot loses by a nose and he's in the red.

Well, I'm in the middle of writing up a report for a court case, so this stuff is the farthest thing from my mind.

Suffice it to say that however you (and the casinos) want to work the AP angle, AP'ing and gambling, itself, are almost out the door. The old guys got into the systems thing, the young ones got into the knee-jerk reaction of the advantage thing, and most of them lost their money or their time.

You could very well say that the whole thing is analogous to progressions of and responses to any of the various bacterial and viral infections in the population. Ha, whether or not you will admit to the fact that also viruses are alive. Pathology.

To clarify something. Just as advantages can be too small quantitatively to pursue, so can those be too poor qualitatively.

Are there any good or positive-life casino advantages, aside from how small or big? Eg, I think that the chances of finding true love in a casino are slim enough not to warrant the attempt. This sort of thing.

Most girls, at least in this respect, don't care about math, and won't go to a casino to find romance. Whereas, guys tend to internalize the gambling math, perhaps math in general, so much more than than the girls.

Bill Yung has something in his latest post. I would say most women don't give a damn about spending money in a casino and they're more concerned with security and how much money there is in a bank account or investments.

Even though there are women who gamble, it's basically a man's game.