Alan Mendelson Going For The Jugular

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

All that would do is lead the haters to then claim I could have bought this car or that house or RV with money I had. Of course, they'll say it proves it BEFORE I release it. Once I do, their tune will immediately change. So that stuff's never gonna happen.

I must have read a dozen posts where kew continually claims he doesn't have to provide proof of his silly claims of always winning. But if he does I'll do it also. And if he wants to post proof of his welfare bs, I'll post more proof of whatever he wants. It's all up to him.

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Rob, first I never said a thing about welfare or welfare fraud. I don't know if someone else used those terms or you have a guilty conscience or what, but I never used those term. What I saw said something about food stamps and that you were temporarily banned from the program for a number of years. I mean, I guess food stamps is part of the welfare program and welfare system, I really don't know. I only stated what I saw...BUT is no longer part of the record. I am assuming you had it removed. I really have no idea how any of that works.

So as I just said and have said a hundred times now, I don't have any proof of what I and others previously saw. I didn't make copies of your personal records and information. It is bad enough that I looked at it. :cool: So based on that I can't prove it at this time, people are free to believe me or not believe me. Nothing I can do about that.

But YOU and coach belly, continuing to insist that I release something that I have repeatedly said I don't have, as a condition of you releasing something is bizarre. It really isn't bizarre, but rather typical of you. Any kind of situation or bet that requires you to put up any thing, you always attach conditions that can not possible met, which leaves you free not to put up. And then you blame the other party. Your games are not new. We have all seen them over and over. It is the same old 20-year troll.

Now regarding, you releasing proof of the RV sale, which we all know you will not do: If I am honest, I don't know that would be convincing evidence for me. Not with everything I know of and about you. If I am honest, I think I would still have my strong doubts. But I said I would accept that as evidence and I would. I would keep any doubts to myself, stop all the public back and forth, congratulate you and move on. Alan has said likewise, through Andrew, odd as that is. ;)

So you get to put this to bed and claim victory just by showing this 1.5 million receipt for this RV. Even if you bought the RV will a lifetime of savings from the good government jobs that you have, you STILL get to put this to bed and claim victory. What more could you ask for? You should be jumping at this. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

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I'm flattered that you take such an interest in my personal life. It's really quite impressive overall and I consider myself a big over-achiever. But for God's sake, why can't you ever get things right?

It wasn't my Govt job that was lucrative--they pay pitiful wages and besides, that began 45 years ago. It does provide a tax-free Govt pension though, because I had a hazardous OCONUS job. The good paying job came in the private sector because I did well in my first job.

I read where you even looked up my daughter (which I thought is a bad-boy offense here). Regardless, in your hurry to paint as bad a picture of me as you can, you only look at the issue from your infant eyes. So many things go into every situation.

She has a bk? No, she's never filed. Her ex-husband did but we kept her out of it. The houses I bought in Phx. were in fact paid for as a way to get them cash--one in each of their (her and her new husband's) name because that's how they wanted it, so they could do equity loans for the purpose of buying even more houses. If you looked her up you'd see they live in a house in Mn. (his name) and the Lake house they're building right now in Wisc. is in her name. I got them a good start, and they're off and running, both with great jobs now. There's another house coming after that. Not something I would do but that's how they're planning for the future.

I've never had anything removed from those background reports, and if you think I can do something like that then you must think I can drive with my eyes closed. There's always bad information on those things. Arci once claimed he found one that said I'd been arrested for a felony of some sort. A lot of baloney in those things, but for someone who wants to find issues then you can always count on them to say virtually anything.

We'll see what Shack asks. I'm not concerned with anything now that ten years have past.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Here is exactly what Mr Alan posted. Now suppose we were in court, why don't you detail the alleged lie?

" He did say that the system he presented to me did produce profits of about $300,000 over three years,"

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Because Alan, you are as thick as they come, and I never told you it was 3 years/$300k. If you have been reading as much as you claim to have read here, you'd have never seen me post that I won $300k over 3 years, and you would have seen me post at least a dozen times that it was $375k over FOUR years.

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I'm glad you wrote this Mr Singer. We'd be very open to having both statements presented to a jury so they could decide if Mr Alan's statement on his website and on WOV was a lie.

At the same time are you prepared for your various comments about him and his family to be presented to a jury?

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I hope you know how stupid you sound :)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

All that would do is lead the haters to then claim I could have bought this car or that house or RV with money I had. Of course, they'll say it proves it BEFORE I release it. Once I do, their tune will immediately change. So that stuff's never gonna happen.

I must have read a dozen posts where kew continually claims he doesn't have to provide proof of his silly claims of always winning. But if he does I'll do it also. And if he wants to post proof of his welfare bs, I'll post more proof of whatever he wants. It's all up to him.

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Rob, first I never said a thing about welfare or welfare fraud. I don't know if someone else used those terms or you have a guilty conscience or what, but I never used those term. What I saw said something about food stamps and that you were temporarily banned from the program for a number of years. I mean, I guess food stamps is part of the welfare program and welfare system, I really don't know. I only stated what I saw...BUT is no longer part of the record. I am assuming you had it removed. I really have no idea how any of that works.

So as I just said and have said a hundred times now, I don't have any proof of what I and others previously saw. I didn't make copies of your personal records and information. It is bad enough that I looked at it. :cool: So based on that I can't prove it at this time, people are free to believe me or not believe me. Nothing I can do about that.

But YOU and coach belly, continuing to insist that I release something that I have repeatedly said I don't have, as a condition of you releasing something is bizarre. It really isn't bizarre, but rather typical of you. Any kind of situation or bet that requires you to put up any thing, you always attach conditions that can not possible met, which leaves you free not to put up. And then you blame the other party. Your games are not new. We have all seen them over and over. It is the same old 20-year troll.

Now regarding, you releasing proof of the RV sale, which we all know you will not do: If I am honest, I don't know that would be convincing evidence for me. Not with everything I know of and about you. If I am honest, I think I would still have my strong doubts. But I said I would accept that as evidence and I would. I would keep any doubts to myself, stop all the public back and forth, congratulate you and move on. Alan has said likewise, through Andrew, odd as that is. ;)

So you get to put this to bed and claim victory just by showing this 1.5 million receipt for this RV. Even if you bought the RV will a lifetime of savings from the good government jobs that you have, you STILL get to put this to bed and claim victory. What more could you ask for? You should be jumping at this. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

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I'm flattered that you take such an interest in my personal life. It's really quite impressive overall and I consider myself a big over-achiever. But for God's sake, why can't you ever get things right?

It wasn't my Govt job that was lucrative--they pay pitiful wages and besides, that began 45 years ago. It does provide a tax-free Govt pension though, because I had a hazardous OCONUS job. The good paying job came in the private sector because I did well in my first job.

I read where you even looked up my daughter (which I thought is a bad-boy offense here). Regardless, in your hurry to paint as bad a picture of me as you can, you only look at the issue from your infant eyes. So many things go into every situation.

She has a bk? No, she's never filed. Her ex-husband did but we kept her out of it. The houses I bought in Phx. were in fact paid for as a way to get them cash--one in each of their (her and her new husband's) name because that's how they wanted it, so they could do equity loans for the purpose of buying even more houses. If you looked her up you'd see they live in a house in Mn. (his name) and the Lake house they're building right now in Wisc. is in her name. I got them a good start, and they're off and running, both with great jobs now. There's another house coming after that. Not something I would do but that's how they're planning for the future.

I've never had anything removed from those background reports, and if you think I can do something like that then you must think I can drive with my eyes closed. There's always bad information on those things. Arci once claimed he found one that said I'd been arrested for a felony of some sort. A lot of baloney in those things, but for someone who wants to find issues then you can always count on them to say virtually anything.

We'll see what Shack asks. I'm not concerned with anything now that ten years have past.

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Yeah, yeah, all the financial reporting agencies have the wrong information. The bankruptcy in your daughters name isn't her. All the public real estate transaction and financial information is wrong. You have buckets of money that no one knows about. We all know the excuses. But yet no receipt for the 1.5 million dollar RV. Just show that and you shut me up forever. I can't make it any easier. Just like my new signature says. You are light on proof but heavy on excuses. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Having a conversation with Rob and asking him questions about the play isn't really going to get anywhere. What question could be asked that hasn't been asked already? Unless Rob can provide Something song there's no way he can prove he actually played this. Perhaps Rob has an Ace in the Hole that he's been holding back. Personally I believe there would have to be a much more in-depth investigation such as contacting IGT and putting together a timeline. For instance, what if just prior to Rob announcing that he played this we find a paper trail of him purchasing this model the potentially have the double up bug? Or if we come to find out that he already owned one? Or what if a gaming agent actually had knowledge and Rob was in fact on her radar. What if we could get copies of W2'g somehow? Perhaps a particular employee remembers him. I'm going to leave at that(there would have to be some surprises) I think there's quite a few other things that can be done that would at least put together a good enough picture to convince everyone (sane) one way or the other.

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I too have considered and wondered about the possibility that Rob has some information, something that might at least go towards verifying his claim, regarding the double up bug. That is the only one worth talking about, the other claim just is silly. From the time he announced this double up bug claim, Rob has sought a bigger stage than VCT to discuss or promote this claim. Anything from GWAE to an interview with Mike to....whatever else he has in mind. So I have been wondering if he has been holding out some info or "proof" for a lack of a better term. I don't really know if there is definitive proof, but possibly and I think it is a very long shot, maybe some kind of "supporting evidence", like has been discussed in the last 2 days.

Look, the ideal solution would have been tax records and casino W-2 and paperwork. Rob immediately nixed this by saying he threw all that away, which to me makes no sense. And I am trying to be objective here. Rob talks about concerns with the Statue of Limitations as a reason he would have gotten rid of these records as quickly as he could. That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone coming after him, whether some sort of law enforcement or even IRS, wouldn't need HIS records. That would already have copies of everything he had and claims to have gotten rid of. Getting rid of those records wasn't getting rid of evidence, that could some how protect him. That is silly. But it sure is convenient as to why he can't show them now to back up his claim. :rolleyes:

Now in the absence of tax records and casino documentation, the only other thing that makes sense is some sort of financial records of what he did with at least some of the money. receipts of big ticket items, including real estate. Rob has always claimed he bought house and put them in the names of his daughter. Right or wrong that some of us have looked into that, the houses in his daughters name just are not paid for as he claims. There are large mortagages owed on both, one more than the property is currently worth. This just doesn't fly either. It really doesn't.

That brings up to the final thing. Rob has talked about owning an expensive RV or two? for years. Only recently did he mention that was bought with "double-up bug" money. So if the timing was right, that could be some sort of supporting evidence, as Alan/Andrew was getting at in the other thread that he started here. But so far Rob has not been receptive to the idea of providing a receipt.

Now as I have always said Rob is under no obligation to provide proof. He is not on trial. But he is the one that floated this claim (double up bug) out of the blue last year and there are just very few that believe him, as evident of the poll and comments at WoV. Based on his long history, if he wants people to believe him, he has to show something. Maybe he is just holding out for the BIG platform to do so.

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KJ, you keep demanding proof when you refuse to put up any proof yourself. Prove you made 80K a year for 16 years or whatever. Easy enough to prove, right. You should have your tax records from 15 years ago around, right. Put them up here. Show us. Quit hiding behind a mask of anonymity but demanding that others should show you something with their name on it.

Another thing is the "facts" you come up with. You have a long history of distorting facts. So I take everything you write with a grain of salt. Where did this claim of Rob's daughter still having mortgage on her house come from. And one mortgage where more money is owed on the house than it's worth. This is the first I've heard of it and I"m a religious follower of this forum.

Could you do something simple and put up proof of it? Because of your history I can't take you at your word. Put up proof. And it has to be something other than "of course it's true someone told me" like you've been doing with the food stamp story.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

All that would do is lead the haters to then claim I could have bought this car or that house or RV with money I had. Of course, they'll say it proves it BEFORE I release it. Once I do, their tune will immediately change. So that stuff's never gonna happen.

I must have read a dozen posts where kew continually claims he doesn't have to provide proof of his silly claims of always winning. But if he does I'll do it also. And if he wants to post proof of his welfare bs, I'll post more proof of whatever he wants. It's all up to him.

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Rob, first I never said a thing about welfare or welfare fraud. I don't know if someone else used those terms or you have a guilty conscience or what, but I never used those term. What I saw said something about food stamps and that you were temporarily banned from the program for a number of years. I mean, I guess food stamps is part of the welfare program and welfare system, I really don't know. I only stated what I saw...BUT is no longer part of the record. I am assuming you had it removed. I really have no idea how any of that works.

So as I just said and have said a hundred times now, I don't have any proof of what I and others previously saw. I didn't make copies of your personal records and information. It is bad enough that I looked at it. :cool: So based on that I can't prove it at this time, people are free to believe me or not believe me. Nothing I can do about that.

But YOU and coach belly, continuing to insist that I release something that I have repeatedly said I don't have, as a condition of you releasing something is bizarre. It really isn't bizarre, but rather typical of you. Any kind of situation or bet that requires you to put up any thing, you always attach conditions that can not possible met, which leaves you free not to put up. And then you blame the other party. Your games are not new. We have all seen them over and over. It is the same old 20-year troll.

Now regarding, you releasing proof of the RV sale, which we all know you will not do: If I am honest, I don't know that would be convincing evidence for me. Not with everything I know of and about you. If I am honest, I think I would still have my strong doubts. But I said I would accept that as evidence and I would. I would keep any doubts to myself, stop all the public back and forth, congratulate you and move on. Alan has said likewise, through Andrew, odd as that is. ;)

So you get to put this to bed and claim victory just by showing this 1.5 million receipt for this RV. Even if you bought the RV will a lifetime of savings from the good government jobs that you have, you STILL get to put this to bed and claim victory. What more could you ask for? You should be jumping at this. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

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So you don't have any proof of your claims but expect others to put up proof of their claims. Thats called a double standard. It is hypocrisy at it's worst.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Kew, I think I read where Alan at first was saying he felt deceived because I did not play my strategy, then he changed it to "3 years + $300k" because of what he read over here. But even that's wrong, as usual. But any of the aforementioned topics could come up.

Either way, I'll put in a good word for you.

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You THINK you read that Mr Alan said you didn't play "your strategy"? Please show where?

The information on his website on the "Alan's Notebook" page and the information posted on the Wizard of Vegas website is very clear. He said you changed your story. He said you confessed to him that you played your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000. He made no statements that said you never played your strategy.

In your fervor to defend yourself over not having proof about the double up bug you launched a campaign to humiliate him and attacked him and his family.

Can anyone FIND ANY PROOF that Mr Alan said you did not play your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000 ?

Come on now all you proof demanders: CAN ANYONE FIND EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE MR ALAN SAID MR SINGER DID NOT PLAY HIS STRATEGY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PROFITING ABOUT $300,000 ?

It seems to me you, Mr Singer, owe him an apology for your attacks based on incorrect information.

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It's strange how both Alan and Andrew make the exact same mistake here. Rob said repeatedly that it was 375K. Both Alan and Andrew somehow think it was 300K. What's up with that? How do both these guys, both supposedly reading Rob's claims make the same mistake?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Can anyone FIND ANY PROOF that Mr Alan said you did not play your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000 ?

Come on now all you proof demanders: CAN ANYONE FIND EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE MR ALAN SAID MR SINGER DID NOT PLAY HIS STRATEGY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PROFITING ABOUT $300,000 ?

It seems to me you, Mr Singer, owe him an apology for your attacks based on incorrect information.

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Oh god Andrew, I have to defend Rob a little on this one. Thank you for that. :o

When I first read your (or make that Alan's) post at WoV, I mistakenly thought you were saying you were mad because Rob had told you he never played the Singer, whatever you call it VP system. And I posted something to that effect here, maybe several times I believe. It was a day later that I re=read your initial post over there and realized I had misinterpreted what you were saying and that instead you were mad that Rob had changed his story from 10 years to 3 or 4. So Rob may very well have repeated what I erroneously said. I take full responsibility for that and for that I apologize to you. If you feel you need an additional apology from Rob, that is between the two of you.

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On twitter Alan told me "Rob lied to me about the whole thing." I pointed out the 375K over 4 years. He didn't respond to me about it but it was subsequent to that he acknowledged it on WoV. Except he said it was 300K, the same mistake Andrew made here.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Thank you Mr Kewlj. Let's see if Mr Singer will acknowledge this or if he'll call me an ambulance chaser again?

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Andrew, you've not joined WoV yet. Alan told me he wants you to. It is obvious from all the facts you present that you and Alan are in close contact.

Will you do us all a favor and put some of those facts in the Singer thread on WoV?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Rob, first I never said a thing about welfare or welfare fraud. I don't know if someone else used those terms or you have a guilty conscience or what, but I never used those term. What I saw said something about food stamps and that you were temporarily banned from the program for a number of years. I mean, I guess food stamps is part of the welfare program and welfare system, I really don't know. I only stated what I saw...BUT is no longer part of the record. I am assuming you had it removed. I really have no idea how any of that works.

So as I just said and have said a hundred times now, I don't have any proof of what I and others previously saw. I didn't make copies of your personal records and information. It is bad enough that I looked at it. :cool: So based on that I can't prove it at this time, people are free to believe me or not believe me. Nothing I can do about that.

But YOU and coach belly, continuing to insist that I release something that I have repeatedly said I don't have, as a condition of you releasing something is bizarre. It really isn't bizarre, but rather typical of you. Any kind of situation or bet that requires you to put up any thing, you always attach conditions that can not possible met, which leaves you free not to put up. And then you blame the other party. Your games are not new. We have all seen them over and over. It is the same old 20-year troll.

Now regarding, you releasing proof of the RV sale, which we all know you will not do: If I am honest, I don't know that would be convincing evidence for me. Not with everything I know of and about you. If I am honest, I think I would still have my strong doubts. But I said I would accept that as evidence and I would. I would keep any doubts to myself, stop all the public back and forth, congratulate you and move on. Alan has said likewise, through Andrew, odd as that is. ;)

So you get to put this to bed and claim victory just by showing this 1.5 million receipt for this RV. Even if you bought the RV will a lifetime of savings from the good government jobs that you have, you STILL get to put this to bed and claim victory. What more could you ask for? You should be jumping at this. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

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I'm flattered that you take such an interest in my personal life. It's really quite impressive overall and I consider myself a big over-achiever. But for God's sake, why can't you ever get things right?

It wasn't my Govt job that was lucrative--they pay pitiful wages and besides, that began 45 years ago. It does provide a tax-free Govt pension though, because I had a hazardous OCONUS job. The good paying job came in the private sector because I did well in my first job.

I read where you even looked up my daughter (which I thought is a bad-boy offense here). Regardless, in your hurry to paint as bad a picture of me as you can, you only look at the issue from your infant eyes. So many things go into every situation.

She has a bk? No, she's never filed. Her ex-husband did but we kept her out of it. The houses I bought in Phx. were in fact paid for as a way to get them cash--one in each of their (her and her new husband's) name because that's how they wanted it, so they could do equity loans for the purpose of buying even more houses. If you looked her up you'd see they live in a house in Mn. (his name) and the Lake house they're building right now in Wisc. is in her name. I got them a good start, and they're off and running, both with great jobs now. There's another house coming after that. Not something I would do but that's how they're planning for the future.

I've never had anything removed from those background reports, and if you think I can do something like that then you must think I can drive with my eyes closed. There's always bad information on those things. Arci once claimed he found one that said I'd been arrested for a felony of some sort. A lot of baloney in those things, but for someone who wants to find issues then you can always count on them to say virtually anything.

We'll see what Shack asks. I'm not concerned with anything now that ten years have past.

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Yeah, yeah, all the financial reporting agencies have the wrong information. The bankruptcy in your daughters name isn't her. All the public real estate transaction and financial information is wrong. You have buckets of money that no one knows about. We all know the excuses. But yet no receipt for the 1.5 million dollar RV. Just show that and you shut me up forever. I can't make it any easier. Just like my new signature says. You are light on proof but heavy on excuses. :rolleyes:

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Put up proof of the bandruptcy or you're a damn lie.

How many times has KJ preached about not bringing family members into the feuds on this forum? He's done it a bunch. He must expect others to follow that rule but he himself doesn't have to. Case in point is Rob daughter. KJ has been very very busy looking into the lives of Rob's relatives.

KJ is a HYPOCRITE!!

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How many times has KJ preached about not bringing family members into the feuds on this forum? He's done it a bunch. He must expect others to follow that rule but he himself doesn't have to. Case in point is Rob daughter. KJ has been very very busy looking into the lives of Rob's relatives.

KJ is a HYPOCRITE!!

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One way to infuriate kew is to be successful. He couldn't help himself look her up because the more he looks the more he hurts. I know and so does he that Dan just said two days ago it's against the rules--the rules HE is the only one always whining about. But if they're gonna be knocking on my door someday to make a movie, we'll all be well known anyway!

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Having a conversation with Rob and asking him questions about the play isn't really going to get anywhere. What question could be asked that hasn't been asked already? Unless Rob can provide Something song there's no way he can prove he actually played this. Perhaps Rob has an Ace in the Hole that he's been holding back. Personally I believe there would have to be a much more in-depth investigation such as contacting IGT and putting together a timeline. For instance, what if just prior to Rob announcing that he played this we find a paper trail of him purchasing this model the potentially have the double up bug? Or if we come to find out that he already owned one? Or what if a gaming agent actually had knowledge and Rob was in fact on her radar. What if we could get copies of W2'g somehow? Perhaps a particular employee remembers him. I'm going to leave at that(there would have to be some surprises) I think there's quite a few other things that can be done that would at least put together a good enough picture to convince everyone (sane) one way or the other.

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I too have considered and wondered about the possibility that Rob has some information, something that might at least go towards verifying his claim, regarding the double up bug. That is the only one worth talking about, the other claim just is silly. From the time he announced this double up bug claim, Rob has sought a bigger stage than VCT to discuss or promote this claim. Anything from GWAE to an interview with Mike to....whatever else he has in mind. So I have been wondering if he has been holding out some info or "proof" for a lack of a better term. I don't really know if there is definitive proof, but possibly and I think it is a very long shot, maybe some kind of "supporting evidence", like has been discussed in the last 2 days.

Look, the ideal solution would have been tax records and casino W-2 and paperwork. Rob immediately nixed this by saying he threw all that away, which to me makes no sense. And I am trying to be objective here. Rob talks about concerns with the Statue of Limitations as a reason he would have gotten rid of these records as quickly as he could. That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone coming after him, whether some sort of law enforcement or even IRS, wouldn't need HIS records. That would already have copies of everything he had and claims to have gotten rid of. Getting rid of those records wasn't getting rid of evidence, that could some how protect him. That is silly. But it sure is convenient as to why he can't show them now to back up his claim. :rolleyes:

Now in the absence of tax records and casino documentation, the only other thing that makes sense is some sort of financial records of what he did with at least some of the money. receipts of big ticket items, including real estate. Rob has always claimed he bought house and put them in the names of his daughter. Right or wrong that some of us have looked into that, the houses in his daughters name just are not paid for as he claims. There are large mortagages owed on both, one more than the property is currently worth. This just doesn't fly either. It really doesn't.

That brings up to the final thing. Rob has talked about owning an expensive RV or two? for years. Only recently did he mention that was bought with "double-up bug" money. So if the timing was right, that could be some sort of supporting evidence, as Alan/Andrew was getting at in the other thread that he started here. But so far Rob has not been receptive to the idea of providing a receipt.

Now as I have always said Rob is under no obligation to provide proof. He is not on trial. But he is the one that floated this claim (double up bug) out of the blue last year and there are just very few that believe him, as evident of the poll and comments at WoV. Based on his long history, if he wants people to believe him, he has to show something. Maybe he is just holding out for the BIG platform to do so.

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KJ, you keep demanding proof when you refuse to put up any proof yourself. Prove you made 80K a year for 16 years or whatever. Easy enough to prove, right. You should have your tax records from 15 years ago around, right. Put them up here. Show us. Quit hiding behind a mask of anonymity but demanding that others should show you something with their name on it.

Another thing is the "facts" you come up with. You have a long history of distorting facts. So I take everything you write with a grain of salt. Where did this claim of Rob's daughter still having mortgage on her house come from. And one mortgage where more money is owed on the house than it's worth. This is the first I've heard of it and I"m a religious follower of this forum.

Could you do something simple and put up proof of it? Because of your history I can't take you at your word. Put up proof. And it has to be something other than "of course it's true someone told me" like you've been doing with the food stamp story.

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mickey you know the drill: WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. Funny, right?

Yes there are mortgages on the two houses I bought over here--they refinanced them both so they could buy and build in Minn. & Wisconsin. (If you know the Phx. area market nothing is upside down. Just another error or something he made up. You think he wants to report good things? ) And there's another one coming. I live in one for $0 which was all that I asked for after buying them. The other is a vacation rental property. The Wisc. and coming house will be vacation rental properties too. That's their plan to retire early someday.

Look--there's all kinds of pressure hitting the little guy right now. He got laid off, his gambling got shut down, his stimulus is late, he & baby bro gots the virus, and the worst thing that could possibly happen happens: I'm gonna be talking to Mike S. again while his broken little heart has to endure. I can see why all this has put him at the edge. :) Lashing out with lies is all he has left.

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I too have considered and wondered about the possibility that Rob has some information, something that might at least go towards verifying his claim, regarding the double up bug. That is the only one worth talking about, the other claim just is silly. From the time he announced this double up bug claim, Rob has sought a bigger stage than VCT to discuss or promote this claim. Anything from GWAE to an interview with Mike to....whatever else he has in mind. So I have been wondering if he has been holding out some info or "proof" for a lack of a better term. I don't really know if there is definitive proof, but possibly and I think it is a very long shot, maybe some kind of "supporting evidence", like has been discussed in the last 2 days.

Look, the ideal solution would have been tax records and casino W-2 and paperwork. Rob immediately nixed this by saying he threw all that away, which to me makes no sense. And I am trying to be objective here. Rob talks about concerns with the Statue of Limitations as a reason he would have gotten rid of these records as quickly as he could. That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone coming after him, whether some sort of law enforcement or even IRS, wouldn't need HIS records. That would already have copies of everything he had and claims to have gotten rid of. Getting rid of those records wasn't getting rid of evidence, that could some how protect him. That is silly. But it sure is convenient as to why he can't show them now to back up his claim. :rolleyes:

Now in the absence of tax records and casino documentation, the only other thing that makes sense is some sort of financial records of what he did with at least some of the money. receipts of big ticket items, including real estate. Rob has always claimed he bought house and put them in the names of his daughter. Right or wrong that some of us have looked into that, the houses in his daughters name just are not paid for as he claims. There are large mortagages owed on both, one more than the property is currently worth. This just doesn't fly either. It really doesn't.

That brings up to the final thing. Rob has talked about owning an expensive RV or two? for years. Only recently did he mention that was bought with "double-up bug" money. So if the timing was right, that could be some sort of supporting evidence, as Alan/Andrew was getting at in the other thread that he started here. But so far Rob has not been receptive to the idea of providing a receipt.

Now as I have always said Rob is under no obligation to provide proof. He is not on trial. But he is the one that floated this claim (double up bug) out of the blue last year and there are just very few that believe him, as evident of the poll and comments at WoV. Based on his long history, if he wants people to believe him, he has to show something. Maybe he is just holding out for the BIG platform to do so.

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KJ, you keep demanding proof when you refuse to put up any proof yourself. Prove you made 80K a year for 16 years or whatever. Easy enough to prove, right. You should have your tax records from 15 years ago around, right. Put them up here. Show us. Quit hiding behind a mask of anonymity but demanding that others should show you something with their name on it.

Another thing is the "facts" you come up with. You have a long history of distorting facts. So I take everything you write with a grain of salt. Where did this claim of Rob's daughter still having mortgage on her house come from. And one mortgage where more money is owed on the house than it's worth. This is the first I've heard of it and I"m a religious follower of this forum.

Could you do something simple and put up proof of it? Because of your history I can't take you at your word. Put up proof. And it has to be something other than "of course it's true someone told me" like you've been doing with the food stamp story.

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mickey you know the drill: WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. Funny, right?

Yes there are mortgages on the two houses I bought over here--they refinanced them both so they could buy and build in Minn. & Wisconsin. (If you know the Phx. area market nothing is upside down. Just another error or something he made up. You think he wants to report good things? ) And there's another one coming. I live in one for $0 which was all that I asked for after buying them. The other is a vacation rental property. The Wisc. and coming house will be vacation rental properties too. That's their plan to retire early someday.

Look--there's all kinds of pressure hitting the little guy right now. He got laid off, his gambling got shut down, his stimulus is late, he & baby bro gots the virus, and the worst thing that could possibly happen happens: I'm gonna be talking to Mike S. again while his broken little heart has to endure. I can see why all this has put him at the edge. :) Lashing out with lies is all he has left.

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Bruh,,,,just give it up. You can't salvage the latest revelations of holes in your story. You're taking pathetic to a whole new level. Tax records and deed recordings can't be faked. We have also learned that bankruptcy recordings never go away. The bullshit you are now trying to weave is patently more lies......lol
So just quit while you're ahead. Lest more bones be revealed from your familial closet full of skeletons.
You can't make a ribeye from a shit sandwich no matter how hard you try. There aren't enough lies.

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KJ, you keep demanding proof when you refuse to put up any proof yourself. Prove you made 80K a year for 16 years or whatever. Easy enough to prove, right. You should have your tax records from 15 years ago around, right. Put them up here. Show us. Quit hiding behind a mask of anonymity but demanding that others should show you something with their name on it.

Another thing is the "facts" you come up with. You have a long history of distorting facts. So I take everything you write with a grain of salt. Where did this claim of Rob's daughter still having mortgage on her house come from. And one mortgage where more money is owed on the house than it's worth. This is the first I've heard of it and I"m a religious follower of this forum.

Could you do something simple and put up proof of it? Because of your history I can't take you at your word. Put up proof. And it has to be something other than "of course it's true someone told me" like you've been doing with the food stamp story.

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mickey you know the drill: WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. Funny, right?

Yes there are mortgages on the two houses I bought over here--they refinanced them both so they could buy and build in Minn. & Wisconsin. (If you know the Phx. area market nothing is upside down. Just another error or something he made up. You think he wants to report good things? ) And there's another one coming. I live in one for $0 which was all that I asked for after buying them. The other is a vacation rental property. The Wisc. and coming house will be vacation rental properties too. That's their plan to retire early someday.

Look--there's all kinds of pressure hitting the little guy right now. He got laid off, his gambling got shut down, his stimulus is late, he & baby bro gots the virus, and the worst thing that could possibly happen happens: I'm gonna be talking to Mike S. again while his broken little heart has to endure. I can see why all this has put him at the edge. :) Lashing out with lies is all he has left.

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Bruh,,,,just give it up. You can't salvage the latest revelations of holes in your story. You're taking pathetic to a whole new level. Tax records and deed recordings can't be faked. We have also learned that bankruptcy recordings never go away. The bullshit you are now trying to weave is patently more lies......lol
So just quit while you're ahead. Lest more bones be revealed from your familial closet full of skeletons.
You can't make a ribeye from a shit sandwich no matter how hard you try. There aren't enough lies.

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Funny how you say "I'm ahead" when you yourself are lying, have no proof of anything, but somehow still claim to be "the winner".

I get how humiliated you must be that I exposed you for begging me for info. THAT is why I'm ahead, and why I will stay ahead.

Wise up.

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mickey you know the drill: WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. WE MUST BELIEVE KEW. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. PROOF NOT NECESSARY. Funny, right?

Yes there are mortgages on the two houses I bought over here--they refinanced them both so they could buy and build in Minn. & Wisconsin. (If you know the Phx. area market nothing is upside down. Just another error or something he made up. You think he wants to report good things? ) And there's another one coming. I live in one for $0 which was all that I asked for after buying them. The other is a vacation rental property. The Wisc. and coming house will be vacation rental properties too. That's their plan to retire early someday.

Look--there's all kinds of pressure hitting the little guy right now. He got laid off, his gambling got shut down, his stimulus is late, he & baby bro gots the virus, and the worst thing that could possibly happen happens: I'm gonna be talking to Mike S. again while his broken little heart has to endure. I can see why all this has put him at the edge. :) Lashing out with lies is all he has left.

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Bruh,,,,just give it up. You can't salvage the latest revelations of holes in your story. You're taking pathetic to a whole new level. Tax records and deed recordings can't be faked. We have also learned that bankruptcy recordings never go away. The bullshit you are now trying to weave is patently more lies......lol
So just quit while you're ahead. Lest more bones be revealed from your familial closet full of skeletons.
You can't make a ribeye from a shit sandwich no matter how hard you try. There aren't enough lies.

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Funny how you say "I'm ahead" when you yourself are lying, have no proof of anything, but somehow still claim to be "the winner".

I get how humiliated you must be that I exposed you for begging me for info. THAT is why I'm ahead, and why I will stay ahead.

Wise up.

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Again,,,,you cannot salvage this by more lies. If you had any proof that I begged you for anything you'd post it up faster than a camper dweller chases down a free parking space. No amount of fabricated bullshit can change the facts debunking your entire story.
Also,,,where did I say "I'm ahead"?

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How many times has KJ preached about not bringing family members into the feuds on this forum? He's done it a bunch. He must expect others to follow that rule but he himself doesn't have to. Case in point is Rob daughter. KJ has been very very busy looking into the lives of Rob's relatives.

KJ is a HYPOCRITE!!

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Mickey, I didn't bring Rob's daughter into it.....HE DID, when he stated that he used the DU Bug money to purchase homes in her name.

Look, this is really quite simple. Rob made an extraordinary claim. One that requires some verification for people to believe because it is so unusual. Rob has always stated he wished he still had the tax records so he could prove this claim. Well now there is a way. Verify the purchases made with the money. These were his claims that this is what he did with the money, no one elses. He should be jumping at this opportunity to put this to rest and take his bows. The fact that he is not, but instead placing conditions on doing so, conditions that can not possible be met, just like he always does, really speaks volumes. It really says all anyone needs to know.

This stuff about me and how I make a living is a bunch of baloney. You never questioned me before. No one questions me except maybe coach belly, because his whole existence is that kind of gottch ya baloney. No one questions me because what I claim isn't extraordinary. There are many players doing it. And the math backs it up. Card counting advantage vs the Double Up Bug claim? Give me a break. It is just flat out dishonest of you mickey.

Mickey, you claim that you believe Rob's claim. No one even believes that you really do. But if you really do, you should WANT to see this proof to back up your belief. You should be encouraging Rob to show whatever evidence he has. That fact that you aren't speaks volumes about you.

Sometimes lack of evidence is in fact evidence. Look I have presented my evidence proving Rob is lying. It is in the form of public records that anyone can look up that clearly contradicts Robs claims. That is all I can do. I can't actually repost those records here. That is illegal and would open me up to a great deal of liability with or without Rob's permission. So I have presented my evidence. I can't make you read it. You and others looking the other way and refusing to look shows your agenda. So don't even attempt to paint yourself as objective. No one believes that. You and coach belly aren't seeking the truth. The truth is in front of you and you refuse to look.

I am really done with this. Rob's decision to not show evidence and/or put conditions on it he knows can't be met, speaks volumes. That in itself is evidence. I can guarantee Mike Shackleford doesn't accept Rob's claims without some kind of supporting documentation. So then we are just right back to square 1. Rob has this extraordinary claim. No one believes him (4%) and he is not interested in showing any supporting documentation or evidence. The 20 year Troll of Rob Singer and now Mickey Crimm continues. That is all it is.

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Bruh,,,,just give it up. You can't salvage the latest revelations of holes in your story. You're taking pathetic to a whole new level. Tax records and deed recordings can't be faked. We have also learned that bankruptcy recordings never go away. The bullshit you are now trying to weave is patently more lies......lol
So just quit while you're ahead. Lest more bones be revealed from your familial closet full of skeletons.
You can't make a ribeye from a shit sandwich no matter how hard you try. There aren't enough lies.

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Funny how you say "I'm ahead" when you yourself are lying, have no proof of anything, but somehow still claim to be "the winner".

I get how humiliated you must be that I exposed you for begging me for info. THAT is why I'm ahead, and why I will stay ahead.

Wise up.

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Again,,,,you cannot salvage this by more lies. If you had any proof that I begged you for anything you'd post it up faster than a camper dweller chases down a free parking space. No amount of fabricated bullshit can change the facts debunking your entire story.
Also,,,where did I say "I'm ahead"?

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You said I'm ahead, as in me.

No I can't post your pm because it's not permitted and I don't bother with doing those petty things anyway. Doesn't matter though--you already admitted to it in your first ramble.

And....if you're gonna make accusations at least read everything first. Where did you see me dispute deed and tax records? You didn't is the answer. All I did is exactly what I've been saying for a long time. I supplied the cashier checks and they made the purchases and pay the taxes, and ins. Then they refinanced or whatever that's called, both properties, to buy and build up north. And if there was a bk on her record she'd never be able to get the properties she now has. Surely you sleuths see how much they are worth--or is it too embarrassing to let that info out too. Admit it, it's all lies, spin, and misinformation that supports your agendas of hate.

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How many times has KJ preached about not bringing family members into the feuds on this forum? He's done it a bunch. He must expect others to follow that rule but he himself doesn't have to. Case in point is Rob daughter. KJ has been very very busy looking into the lives of Rob's relatives.

KJ is a HYPOCRITE!!

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Mickey, I didn't bring Rob's daughter into it.....HE DID, when he stated that he used the DU Bug money to purchase homes in her name.

Look, this is really quite simple. Rob made an extraordinary claim. One that requires some verification for people to believe because it is so unusual. Rob has always stated he wished he still had the tax records so he could prove this claim. Well now there is a way. Verify the purchases made with the money. These were his claims that this is what he did with the money, no one elses. He should be jumping at this opportunity to put this to rest and take his bows. The fact that he is not, but instead placing conditions on doing so, conditions that can not possible be met, just like he always does, really speaks volumes. It really says all anyone needs to know.

This stuff about me and how I make a living is a bunch of baloney. You never questioned me before. No one questions me except maybe coach belly, because his whole existence is that kind of gottch ya baloney. No one questions me because what I claim isn't extraordinary. There are many players doing it. And the math backs it up. Card counting advantage vs the Double Up Bug claim? Give me a break. It is just flat out dishonest of you mickey.

Mickey, you claim that you believe Rob's claim. No one even believes that you really do. But if you really do, you should WANT to see this proof to back up your belief. You should be encouraging Rob to show whatever evidence he has. That fact that you aren't speaks volumes about you.

Sometimes lack of evidence is in fact evidence. Look I have presented my evidence proving Rob is lying. It is in the form of public records that anyone can look up that clearly contradicts Robs claims. That is all I can do. I can't actually repost those records here. That is illegal and would open me up to a great deal of liability with or without Rob's permission. So I have presented my evidence. I can't make you read it. You and others looking the other way and refusing to look shows your agenda. So don't even attempt to paint yourself as objective. No one believes that. You and coach belly aren't seeking the truth. The truth is in front of you and you refuse to look.

I am really done with this. Rob's decision to not show evidence and/or put conditions on it he knows can't be met, speaks volumes. That in itself is evidence. I can guarantee Mike Shackleford doesn't accept Rob's claims without some kind of supporting documentation. So then we are just right back to square 1. Rob has this extraordinary claim. No one believes him (4%) and he is not interested in showing any supporting documentation or evidence. The 20 year Troll of Rob Singer and now Mickey Crimm continues. That is all it is.

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You're "really done with this?" Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Are you expecting to get nuked? :)

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You're "really done with this?" Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Are you expecting to get nuked? :)

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I am sure you are lobbying for that. Is that all you have left. "KJ proved I was lying. He isn't allowed to do that. Please kick him out" Cry for me Argentino. ;)

My nuking wouldn't even change anything. You would still be a liar and have been exposed as a liar. But you do what you gotta do to try to save face, Robby.

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You're "really done with this?" Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Are you expecting to get nuked? :)

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I am sure you are lobbying for that. Is that all you have left. "KJ proved I was lying. He isn't allowed to do that. Please kick him out" Cry for me Argentino. ;)

My nuking wouldn't even change anything. You would still be a liar and have been exposed as a liar. But you do what you gotta do to try to save face, Robby.

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Methinks kew is a bit worried 'bout sumptin :)

And BTW kew I do know much more about you than you'd want to believe. I know your name, your latest journeyman's address, and why you concoct this internet forum life of yours. But I've never "researched" you and I'll never be interested in doing that kind of stuff. Just like I dug up arci's real name thru my sources long before he even joined here. Richard Mustain. He has a background no one would ever want to believe that came with the name pkg., but I still refused to research him like he did me. He paid enuf having to watch his wife waste away because of renal failure, and his son to drugs. Similarly, I believe you've also paid enuf with the pathetic going nowhere life you lead. Everyone can read someone like you by your posts.

Best to wise up before it's too late. And I hope you don't live on a top floor.