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I'm not a blackjack player jbjb so figure for me how many bets at $1000 per hand (2 X $500) were made in an hour to win $2000, and then tell me if this sloppy dealer had a one hour shift or was it 20 minutes?
I'd also like to know what percentage of hands this sloppy dealer exposed his hole card on.
And thanks for saying you've never seen a $500/hr promo. I wonder if anyone has?
Some guys have been known to go to the homeless shelters looking for people to put in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
You mean our homeless shelters are filled with APs, or knowledgeable blackjack, video poker, slots or baccarat players? Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSome guys have been known to go to the homeless shelters looking for people to put in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
What is the hourly on an unlimited loss rebate that includes table games? Table maximums up to 1000Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
And the judgments against him for non-payment of apartment rent are just a few years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThen there is "Bankruptcy Rob Argentino" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYes, these phantom bucks are what encourages this pack of AP idiots to go around claiming we WIN WIN WIN every year---just like "I lost $8800 today but it was my best gambling day of the year" loser kew foolishly did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
These people won't admit it, but "team player extraordinaire" Frank Kneeland busted out with all those phantom bucks, and "the AP's AP" wizard had to beg for money before being bailed out by and selling his soul to online gambling foreigners.
As Karl Kolchak said: I'll take Manhattan.
Alan, we play the whole shift. We see every hand. I won't play trash games. And it's one hour on, 20 minute break.
Gosh I was having a good discussion with jbjb about a real advantage play he told me about and sent me a video showing the sloppy dealer, too. And now you're asking about fictitious loss rebates? Please, start another thread for this and let jbjb and I discuss a real situation involving a real sloppy dealer captured on video.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWhat is the hourly on an unlimited loss rebate that includes table games? Table maximums up to 1000Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Thanks. But I'm still trying to find out how much is played to win $2000 per hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I'm going to guess one deal per two minutes which means thirty hands risking $30,000 to win $2,000. That's about a six to seven percent return? I think that's reasonable: six or seven percent.
Does Mr. 18 yo's in a row doubt that the unlimited loss rebate promo ever occurred?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonGosh I was having a good discussion with jbjb about a real advantage play he told me about and sent me a video showing the sloppy dealer, too. And now you're asking about fictitious loss rebates? Please, start another thread for this and let jbjb and I discuss a real situation involving a real sloppy dealer captured on video.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWhat is the hourly on an unlimited loss rebate that includes table games? Table maximums up to 1000Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Let's see if you'll accept this answer: I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenDoes Mr. 18 yo's in a row doubt that the unlimited loss rebate promo ever occurred?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonGosh I was having a good discussion with jbjb about a real advantage play he told me about and sent me a video showing the sloppy dealer, too. And now you're asking about fictitious loss rebates? Please, start another thread for this and let jbjb and I discuss a real situation involving a real sloppy dealer captured on video.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
No, they were filled up with people that never had a slot card before. We're talking new sign up promotions. Wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonYou mean our homeless shelters are filled with APs, or knowledgeable blackjack, video poker, slots or baccarat players? Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSome guys have been known to go to the homeless shelters looking for people to put in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
I admire the entrepreneurial spirit of this endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmNo, they were filled up with people that never had a slot card before. We're talking new sign up promotions. Wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonYou mean our homeless shelters are filled with APs, or knowledgeable blackjack, video poker, slots or baccarat players? Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
By the way, what was this worth to the organizer? $10 free play per person (he collected it?) ), or buffet coupons, or packs of used casino playing cards?
Oh don't tell me. It was a special sign up promo worth $500 per new player. I get it.
How bout that earthquake you must have shit your pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbWrong again asshole. Keep following dumshit Ozzy around. Also, get Robs wife's penis out of your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungOh no, that would Ibeatyouraces, king of the number of posts deleted, and then coming back for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Don't worry JBJB your gig is up anyone with half a brain knows your IBYA.
The tactic Mr. Mendelson employed using the single example of the struggling AP is called "anecdotal evidence." It is not allowed in court because it has no relevance. It has no statistical context or reference. Anybody can simply make up anecdotal evidence and apply it to any situation. Mr. Mendelson knows an AP who struggled to make 8K a year. I know Billy Walters and his lifestyle ("know" is too strong, as a few conversations don't amount to "knowing," but it seems to meet Mr. Mendelson's criteria for the word). Is either statement of any statistical value? No. Does either statement add anything to this particular debate? No. Is either statement evidence of anything? No.
And don't forget the dilapidated trailer parked in driveways that steals electricity!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmAnd the judgments against him for non-payment of apartment rent are just a few years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThen there is "Bankruptcy Rob Argentino" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Scorned ap's are very much like the libtards who were put down by Trump. Make up stuff about him, his family, his life....and all because it's the only way they're able to make themselves feel better after suffering thru massive, untold humiliation.
And ARGENTINO loves it!!:)
I like the "unlimited loss rebate" that far surpassed the Revel's $100k loss rebate that in wizard's own words "you don't see this every day" captured the hearts of AP's everywhere. Yet as far as I've seen, I'm the only one who actually took advantage of that promo and got a $3k cut out of it. IE, all you "$X/hour phonies talk a big game from your easy chairs.
Yet you throw around this Billy Walters name as if he's a God to you who supposedly can back up all your silly claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wise up, phony.
Something like that. It was at Westgate years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonI admire the entrepreneurial spirit of this endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmNo, they were filled up with people that never had a slot card before. We're talking new sign up promotions. Wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Oh don't tell me. It was a special sign up promo worth $500 per new player. I get it.
Everything seems to be years ago, or once was, or it happened. And you wonder why some of us are so skeptical about these AP claims?
Another non sequitur to the matter being discussed. Argentino, try to follow along. Or dig up those texts from me, and make a quick thousand for Mr. Mendelson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYet you throw around this Billy Walters name as if he's a God to you who supposedly can back up all your silly claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wise up, phony.
When did he file bankruptcy, and has anybody bothered to contact the bankruptcy court to view the bankruptcy file?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could).
As for the judgments: what court/where, what amount, and has he satisfied them yet or are they still unpaid?
Sometimes decent, solvent people get sued and have judgments entered against them, but they then pay them off / satisfy them ASAP in order to try to "make things right" and begin to rebuild their shattered credit.
V, let me do some research tonight and I'll get back to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVWhen did he file bankruptcy, and has anybody bothered to contact the bankruptcy court to view the bankruptcy file?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could).
As for the judgments: what court/where, what amount, and has he satisfied them yet or are they still unpaid?
Sometimes decent, solvent people get sued and have judgments entered against them, but they then pay them off / satisfy them ASAP in order to try to "make things right" and begin to rebuild their shattered credit.
MisterV you wrote:
"You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could)."
So would you?
I personally think researching anyone is crap...even Singer...whatever anyone wants to put out there is their business...any more than that should be off limits....I`d put that in the same category as contacting the FBI or Police
deech, i couldnt find the exact post but how can you deduct 2500 from taxes per month out of your insurance premium if you are retired?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeechActually, it is easy. I am the clone of Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
Where've you been? It was once--in 1996 (at the end if my AP years--which will dull the edges here a little bit I'd say....) and it's been put up on almost every forum since 2000 whenever the natives can't out-debate or out-insult me :) It was also on my website from 2000-2009. So I hope Mickey digs it up again and posts it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVWhen did he file bankruptcy, and has anybody bothered to contact the bankruptcy court to view the bankruptcy file?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could).
As for the judgments: what court/where, what amount, and has he satisfied them yet or are they still unpaid?
Sometimes decent, solvent people get sued and have judgments entered against them, but they then pay them off / satisfy them ASAP in order to try to "make things right" and begin to rebuild their shattered credit.
However, the scrapers-by here would never get it. It was a financial tool used to increase wealth. How many times did Trump/business file--3 or 4? Did his accounts empty out, and is he worth more today than yesterday?
Sorry mickey--you should have copied and pasted like you usually do. It was $600, it was at the Westin Casuarina, and the casino made a ton of money on the promo. Every self-proclaimed "AP" in LV cane out if the woodwork and signed the homeless, UNLV students, and anyone passing thru town, which ruined it for everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSomething like that. It was at Westgate years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonI admire the entrepreneurial spirit of this endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Oh don't tell me. It was a special sign up promo worth $500 per new player. I get it.
Years ago is right. Maybe 2005. About 9 years after my BANKRUPTCY filing!
I need to know: how did the casino make a ton of money?
Rob is right about the place, time, and what was going on. The Westin got their asses handed to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
How many creditors did you stiff and for how much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhere've you been? It was once--in 1996 (at the end if my AP years--which will dull the edges here a little bit I'd say....) and it's been put up on almost every forum since 2000 whenever the natives can't out-debate or out-insult me :) It was also on my website from 2000-2009. So I hope Mickey digs it up again and posts it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVWhen did he file bankruptcy, and has anybody bothered to contact the bankruptcy court to view the bankruptcy file?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could).
As for the judgments: what court/where, what amount, and has he satisfied them yet or are they still unpaid?
Sometimes decent, solvent people get sued and have judgments entered against them, but they then pay them off / satisfy them ASAP in order to try to "make things right" and begin to rebuild their shattered credit.
However, the scrapers-by here would never get it. It was a financial tool used to increase wealth. How many times did Trump/business file--3 or 4? Did his accounts empty out, and is he worth more today than yesterday?
Wouldn't filing BK and stiffing creditors be a great AP play?
Just asking.
We do it every day and I just sit and wonder why the law allows it.
Isn't it true that he who dies with the most debt wins?
Singer admits to losing $250,000 playing video poker from 1990 to 1996. He filed bankruptcy in 1996. Instead of paying his bills he blew the money gambling. Then filed for bankruptcy and stiffed his creditors forever What a swell guy....and a gambling addict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I would if I had incentive to; but trying to learn more about one of you guys wouldn't be a good enough reason for me to invest the time and money required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I might google though, just for shits and giggles.
As for Rob, it is not a disgrace to file bkcy, nor to owe money; it does not automatically show bad character.
A criminal conviction, e.g. for assaulting a spouse or significant other, is more indicative that a person is probably a loser.
Which is EXACTLY the reason for all of redietz' stupid antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI would if I had incentive to; but trying to learn more about one of you guys wouldn't be a good enough reason for me to invest the time and money required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I might google though, just for shits and giggles.
As for Rob, it is not a disgrace to file bkcy, nor to owe money; it does not automatically show bad character.
A criminal conviction, e.g. for assaulting a spouse or significant other, is more indicative that a person is probably a loser.
Want proof of this one?
As for Rob, it is not a disgrace to file bkcy, nor to owe money; it does not automatically show bad character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhich is EXACTLY the reason for all of redietz' stupid antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI would if I had incentive to; but trying to learn more about one of you guys wouldn't be a good enough reason for me to invest the time and money required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I might google though, just for shits and giggles.
As for Rob, it is not a disgrace to file bkcy, nor to owe money; it does not automatically show bad character.
A criminal conviction, e.g. for assaulting a spouse or significant other, is more indicative that a person is probably a loser.
Want proof of this one?
BUT IT CAN BE.
iT DEPENDS. For example if he stiffed creditors because he preffered to gamble over paying debt, or for paying for good and services...... that is the sign of poor character. I was raised to get 3 jobs and work my ass off before i even considered bankruptcy to avoid paying for credit cards, rents, and other bills.
Now a business that is dug in deep in debt, I can see using bankruptcy as a legal tool.
But someone who declares bankruptcy simply because they are too lazy to get multiple jobs to pay off personal debt for goods service and rent...Simply because its just too hard to pay off....well cry me a river......that person is a tool.
The #1 reason people file for bankruptcy is illness usually cancer without sufficient insurance. For them a second job is out of the question and they probably can't work even one job.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6887642
well if singer(which is who we are talking about) had high chemo and surgery costs hanging over his head......then you made a relevant point
I have always been critical of Rob's tax scheme including deducting groceries and dinner with his wife as business expenses for a professional gambler.
I know several business people who have filed for bankruptcy. I don't consider it a moral failing.
My health insurance is though Massachusetts Health Connector. I paid $2,100 per moth last year. It was probably based on my income. I now pay $250 per monthQuote:
Originally Posted by LarrySdeech, i couldnt find the exact post but how can you deduct 2500 from taxes per month out of your insurance premium if you are retired?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeechActually, it is easy. I am the clone of Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
This is not how heath insurance should be handled but that is not my argument. It is all based on income.
It is not perfect for an individual to make money while retired. Or save money on insurance. But then again, isn't that what we are all trying to do?
i understand all the above...i just didnt understand your tax credit position. you said you get a 1250 tax creditQuote:
Originally Posted by DeechMy health insurance is though Massachusetts Health Connector. I paid $2,100 per moth last year. It was probably based on my income. I now pay $250 per monthQuote:
Originally Posted by LarrySdeech, i couldnt find the exact post but how can you deduct 2500 from taxes per month out of your insurance premium if you are retired?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
This is not how heath insurance should be handled but that is not my argument. It is all based on income.
It is not perfect for an individual to make money while retired. Or save money on insurance. But then again, isn't that what we are all trying to do?
I had a feeling you were going to look for one little thing you don’t believe and be like, “Aha! See?! It’s all fake!!!”Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I’m not sure why you think everything anyone writes about AP is made up. No, the $500/hr promo isn’t made up. I’m obviously not going to write it out when/where/how since (surprise surprise) this stuff’s worth a lot of money. Frankly, I wrote $500 because I thought that was more believable than some plays that are worth much more per hour (fewer hours though, like 2-3).
Whatever, that’s not the point to any of this. Let’s say something is worth $200/hr and I pay someone $20/hr to play it for me. So this guy is making an extra $20/hr on that weekend. If he plays from 10am-10pm, he’s made $240 for the day plus a bonus most likely if he does well or the group does well. That’s about 30 hours worth of minimum.
EDIT: Would you consider an AP who pays people to play to be beneficial to society?
It was 1996. Illness wasn't my issue and I've explained it here before when arci blew his stack over me. But I'll be happy to go over it once again because it was a stepping stone to our financial security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
First off I lost about $45k/year on apvp for 6-1/2 yrs., and while that may seem a lot back then to the scrapers-by here, I didn't even feel it. The bigger issue was buying a piece of land in Calif. for six figures that turned out to be a scam and I lost it all. I was out of the country 75% of the time and didn't do my homework like I should have. So we filed to eliminate that debt, and before the BK laws were changed they couldn't touch our significant 401k's, so I took complete advantage of that and a few other loopholes. In short, it was a very positive experience, but as regnis could probably tell you, the law changed since then and it would be a VERY different outcome today.
Now I've also talked about how I took huge advantage of IRS law for the 10 years I filed as a professional gambler. Few people do that--even Jean Scott and her infamous Chinese tax atty. don't even have access to the kind of legal tricks I did with my son-in-law at the time.
Yes, every time I took my wife out to dinner, that was a business expense, which for those of you on the sidelines who don't know, is a direct deduction from income. Why? Because I was a pro gambler, a writer, and a consultant to other VP players as I called it. And my wife was my volunteer assistant whom I discussed business matters with at every meal out.
As for the partial grocery deductions--I had many BBQ parties in my backyard, and there were always times I had one or more of my "clients" over. Thus the groceries deductions. And why would the IRS allow this? Because I pro-actively showed them their own guidelines on saving the Govt. money by choosing the cheaper of the two: an expensive meal out...or a far cheaper meal in the back yard.
These were just some of the things that not only professional gamblers should be checking on in any way possible, but ALL schedule C filers should be trying to find out about. Think GE, who used to pay lots of taxes until they smartened up and hired roomfulls of ex-IRS employees to do their taxes. They went from paying hundreds of millions to paying none.
It's all there folks, and you don't have to be a super special phantom bucks expert to be able to utilize these bankruptcy and tax tools.
They didn't. They lost their asses. This is just another one of Rob's make believe claims that the casino won. Trying to create a customer pool they gave the money away to new sign-ups for running very little action. The homeless got a cut of the money just for getting the card, delivering it to the pro who ran the action as they waited by, then picking up the money and delivering it to the pro who gave them their cut and they went on their merry way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The Westin lost their asses, cancelled the promotion, and never attempted to do anything like it again.
Yes, the Connector Care Health Plan is run by each state independently (probably under different names). The one key restriction is that you must not have access to "an employer's affordable, comprehensive health insurance". Since I have been working for myself for 15 years and my wife decided to retire 12 years ago, we fit the criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarrySi understand all the above...i just didnt understand your tax credit position. you said you get a 1250 tax creditQuote:
Originally Posted by DeechMy health insurance is though Massachusetts Health Connector. I paid $2,100 per moth last year. It was probably based on my income. I now pay $250 per monthQuote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
This is not how heath insurance should be handled but that is not my argument. It is all based on income.
It is not perfect for an individual to make money while retired. Or save money on insurance. But then again, isn't that what we are all trying to do?
The tax credits are based on the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). In Massachusetts, credits are given up to the 300% of the FPL. A family of 4 can receive credits if the household income is less than $73,800. A family of 2 is $48,720.
I now have basically the same coverage I had previously. My new monthly rate is approximately $1,500 per month. I am getting a tax credit (in advance) of $1,250 per month. Thus, my bill each month is $250.
It took me over a year to figure this out. On the advise of my wife's financial advisor, I called a total stranger to learn the rules. Apparently, he is very wealthy, but like all of us, he did not want to overpay for healthcare (my guess is that he was between 55 and 65 in age).
Not to be sarcastic, but since many of those who post on this forum are probably self employed, it would be beneficial to inquire about your states' benefits. Again, it is based on income, not your overall assets.
This is mickey talking as if he was a part of something he never was again, and as if he has some kind of inside information.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThey didn't. They lost their asses. This is just another one of Rob's make believe claims that the casino won. Trying to create a customer pool they gave the money away to new sign-ups for running very little action. The homeless got a cut of the money just for getting the card, delivering it to the pro who ran the action as they waited by, then picking up the money and delivering it to the pro who gave them their cut and they went on their merry way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The Westin lost their asses, cancelled the promotion, and never attempted to do anything like it again.
I was deeply involved in the Casuarina promotion because this was the event that triggered the huge challenge I publicly issued to Fezzik, HP, etc. in Gaming Today and the LV Sun. The Casuarina is where my escrow was held and I picked that casino/they accepted to hold escrow for my bet, because they read my first of two articles about their promo and agreed with it.
The AP community was hell-bent on ridiculing them, blindly claiming how the casino got "hammered" and made a big mistake. It was an intriguing story so I interviewed them several times--during and after. They showed me the internal reports on the results: it was very similar to what happened at Wynn when I got them to put those FPDW etc.25c thru $1 machines in: very profitable due to extremely high volume but low profit margin, and both promos had to end because of large numbers of complaints from the greater volume of non-participating customers. In other words, the long lines out the door for the slot club doomed the event, and it would not occur again.
Now I get how mickey and some other hard core ap's want the record to read differently because that's the scenario and outcome that makes them feel good, but the record of facts speaks an alternate language. Casuarina wanted it to be known that they didn't appreciate local AP's doing what they did with all that recruiting, which is why they went on record when my articles were published.
The truth is, these AP's wreck just about everything that comes their way. They ruined a good thing at Wynn, they got out-smarted by the Revel promotion when they thought they were more clever than casino mgmt., and they blew a good thing at the Westin.
Maybe if they had just a little more education, things would have turned out better.
By the way, before the wimp complains--I'm posting because after we picked up our son in Tucson my wife came down with a slight cold so we're waiting in Phx. for a few days.
A judgement against Rob in 2011 for $958. The plaintiff was an apartment complex in Arizona. When it was brought up on this site a few years ago Rob gave some explanation about stiffing the landlord.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVWhen did he file bankruptcy, and has anybody bothered to contact the bankruptcy court to view the bankruptcy file?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can learn a lot about a person that way, if you really want to (not that you should, but you could).
As for the judgments: what court/where, what amount, and has he satisfied them yet or are they still unpaid?
Sometimes decent, solvent people get sued and have judgments entered against them, but they then pay them off / satisfy them ASAP in order to try to "make things right" and begin to rebuild their shattered credit.
In 2005 Rob was charged with forceable entry at an apartment complex in Arizona. Don't know the disposition.
Rob always has some make believe nonsense about why promotions get cancelled. If they were concerned about long lines bothering people they could have limited it to so many new signups a day. Rob is full of shit as usual. For some reason he thinks marketing types never make mistakes in designing promotions. That they are better at the math than Michael Shackleford. David Sklansky made a lot of money consulting with casinos and teaching them how to put on promotions that AP's can't easily beat. The reason they hired him was they got burned to many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThis is mickey talking as if he was a part of something he never was again, and as if he has some kind of inside information.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThey didn't. They lost their asses. This is just another one of Rob's make believe claims that the casino won. Trying to create a customer pool they gave the money away to new sign-ups for running very little action. The homeless got a cut of the money just for getting the card, delivering it to the pro who ran the action as they waited by, then picking up the money and delivering it to the pro who gave them their cut and they went on their merry way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The Westin lost their asses, cancelled the promotion, and never attempted to do anything like it again.
I was deeply involved in the Casuarina promotion because this was the event that triggered the huge challenge I publicly issued to Fezzik, HP, etc. in Gaming Today and the LV Sun. The Casuarina is where my escrow was held and I picked that casino/they accepted to hold escrow for my bet, because they read my first of two articles about their promo and agreed with it.
The AP community was hell-bent on ridiculing them, blindly claiming how the casino got "hammered" and made a big mistake. It was an intriguing story so I interviewed them several times--during and after. They showed me the internal reports on the results: it was very similar to what happened at Wynn when I got them to put those FPDW etc.25c thru $1 machines in: very profitable due to extremely high volume but low profit margin, and both promos had to end because of large numbers of complaints from the greater volume of non-participating customers. In other words, the long lines out the door for the slot club doomed the event, and it would not occur again.
Now I get how mickey and some other hard core ap's want the record to read differently because that's the scenario and outcome that makes them feel good, but the record of facts speaks an alternate language. Casuarina wanted it to be known that they didn't appreciate local AP's doing what they did with all that recruiting, which is why they went on record when my articles were published.
The truth is, these AP's wreck just about everything that comes their way. They ruined a good thing at Wynn, they got out-smarted by the Revel promotion when they thought they were more clever than casino mgmt., and they blew a good thing at the Westin.
Maybe if they had just a little more education, things would have turned out better.
Another dumb ass thing Rob does is take the word of a casino exec as 100% gospel truth. For the most part they don't like admitting they designed a promotion so poorly that even the homeless could beat it. And the only way AP's wreck a promotion is simply by playing by the rules that the marketing types designed for the promotion. It's called legitimate strategy and all available information. When the execs see they are getting hammered they pull or modify the promotion.
Sounds like he was involved in two separate legal matters both of which involved a rental of real property, the first obviously for non-payment of rent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I say "two" because the second one, which you say involves being "charged with forceable entry at an apartment complex" is likely not criminal, but civil.
Sounds like the Arizona equivalent of "forcible entry and unlawful detainer," aka an eviction.
Odds are he didn't pay the rent, although other causes could warrant such an action, such as failing to timely move out after receiving notice to do so.
If in fact the 2005 action was for failure to pay rent then it looks like Rob got sued twice for not paying rent after his bkcy ended.
Would a solvent, financially successful person be involved in such legal actions?
I still don't understand how the casino made money after handing out $600 sign up bonuses? Is the casino saying they got all the money back from increased gsmbling? Did the homeless gamble it back?
Wait, did the homeless have valid ID? Were the students 21 and older?
There were "AP's" who supplied fake ID's for recruits who didn't have them or weren't 21. I remember each being paid $50 for getting involved.
I don't recall the exact promo (if it was free play or whatever) but what it did was get players in the door to play, and that's exactly what they did. What the casino knew that everyone else knew and knows, is that even when players claim they'll stop at a certain point, ap's aren't programmed to do that and as a result, the vast majority of sign-ups did what just about every gambler who comes down the pike does--they play on and lose. The $600 cut into the margin % so in that regard it wasn't successful, but it did make money. The thing that killed it though were the lines and the manipulations.
mickey was told why the apt. was abandoned only it doesn't fit his scenario. We sold our house and moved into an apt. while we waited for our new RV to arrive for a 5-year living and travel life. It arrived early so I simply left before the lease expired. Judgements mean nothing when you're retired with SS, pensions, and 401k's. Another "advantage play" that most AP's aren't smart enuf to know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVSounds like he was involved in two separate legal matters both of which involved a rental of real property, the first obviously for non-payment of rent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I say "two" because the second one, which you say involves being "charged with forceable entry at an apartment complex" is likely not criminal, but civil.
Sounds like the Arizona equivalent of "forcible entry and unlawful detainer," aka an eviction.
Odds are he didn't pay the rent, although other causes could warrant such an action, such as failing to timely move out after receiving notice to do so.
If in fact the 2005 action was for failure to pay rent then it looks like Rob got sued twice for not paying rent after his bkcy ended.
Would a solvent, financially successful person be involved in such legal actions?
This "forced entry" claim is new to me. Sounds like I should be in jail, right? See if you can find more information on that. 2005 is the same year I put $640,000 cash in escrow at the Casuarina for the public AP challenge. Maybe I STOLE the money from somewhere or someone....how's that scenario fit mickey? :)
Certainly, not when it's a debt you owe to yourself. That's what we lose track of with the "AP" stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Basically, you're a self proclaimed deadbeat. Got it. Never mind the lease you signed and honoring your commitments. Bet you would have cried like a little bitch had the owner told you to get out a couple months before the lease was up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singermickey was told why the apt. was abandoned only it doesn't fit his scenario. We sold our house and moved into an apt. while we waited for our new RV to arrive for a 5-year living and travel life. It arrived early so I simply left before the lease expired. Judgements mean nothing when you're retired with SS, pensions, and 401k's. Another "advantage play" that most AP's aren't smart enuf to know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVSounds like he was involved in two separate legal matters both of which involved a rental of real property, the first obviously for non-payment of rent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I say "two" because the second one, which you say involves being "charged with forceable entry at an apartment complex" is likely not criminal, but civil.
Sounds like the Arizona equivalent of "forcible entry and unlawful detainer," aka an eviction.
Odds are he didn't pay the rent, although other causes could warrant such an action, such as failing to timely move out after receiving notice to do so.
If in fact the 2005 action was for failure to pay rent then it looks like Rob got sued twice for not paying rent after his bkcy ended.
Would a solvent, financially successful person be involved in such legal actions?
This "forced entry" claim is new to me. Sounds like I should be in jail, right? See if you can find more information on that. 2005 is the same year I put $640,000 cash in escrow at the Casuarina for the public AP challenge. Maybe I STOLE the money from somewhere or someone....how's that scenario fit mickey? :)
It's a joke. But I guess you never heard it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungCertainly, not when it's a debt you owe to yourself. That's what we lose track of with the "AP" stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Yes, of course. But a joke that appears to be lost on so many here.
Yeah a deadbeat for sure. That's how you guys like it so we'll go with that. Even when the article appeared in the papers identifying how much and where the escrow was, the collection of envious AP's re-started in on my old bankruptcy--just like mickey & redietz do every time they get out-insulted or out-smarted by me--which is entertainingly often! And you can bet mickey's still trying to concoct other stories right this moment. After all, what else does he have?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenBasically, you're a self proclaimed deadbeat. Got it. Never mind the lease you signed and honoring your commitments. Bet you would have cried like a little bitch had the owner told you to get out a couple months before the lease was up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singermickey was told why the apt. was abandoned only it doesn't fit his scenario. We sold our house and moved into an apt. while we waited for our new RV to arrive for a 5-year living and travel life. It arrived early so I simply left before the lease expired. Judgements mean nothing when you're retired with SS, pensions, and 401k's. Another "advantage play" that most AP's aren't smart enuf to know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
This "forced entry" claim is new to me. Sounds like I should be in jail, right? See if you can find more information on that. 2005 is the same year I put $640,000 cash in escrow at the Casuarina for the public AP challenge. Maybe I STOLE the money from somewhere or someone....how's that scenario fit mickey? :)
Which brings this to mind: Nobody really cares if they stiff a deserving creditor or not. Ever. The apt. owner could have done the noble thing for an older couple and just let it go. But the stupid yuppie wanted to show how smart he was by suing me, and just like it is for everyone who likes to think they can out-do me on common sense issues, his outfit spent all that time and money for nothing and he ended up with nothing from me and only put a useless ding on my credit I expect. Which of course means nothing when you pay cash for everything including large ticket items.
Of course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites. By the way mickeycrimm did you ever take photos of the rooms and baths? I seem to have missed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
But being serious: I think it's been a long, long time since anyone was able to use phoney ID in a casino, mickeycrimm.
Rob, I don't care if you're retired or not I'd hate to have a judgment against me especially when you're so rich you could either pay it or negotiate a settlement.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYeah a deadbeat for sure. That's how you guys like it so we'll go with that. Even when the article appeared in the papers identifying how much and where the escrow was, the collection of envious AP's re-started in on my old bankruptcy--just like mickey & redietz do every time they get out-insulted or out-smarted by me--which is entertainingly often! And you can bet mickey's still trying to concoct other stories right this moment. After all, what else does he have?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenBasically, you're a self proclaimed deadbeat. Got it. Never mind the lease you signed and honoring your commitments. Bet you would have cried like a little bitch had the owner told you to get out a couple months before the lease was up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Which brings this to mind: Nobody really cares if they stiff a deserving creditor or not. Ever. The apt. owner could have done the noble thing for an older couple and just let it go. But the stupid yuppie wanted to show how smart he was by suing me, and just like it is for everyone who likes to think they can out-do me on common sense issues, his outfit spent all that time and money for nothing and he ended up with nothing from me and only put a useless ding on my credit I expect. Which of course means nothing when you pay cash for everything including large ticket items.
Argentino, if you'll check you'll see that I have not criticized you for your bankruptcy. I actually think I made an error by not using bankruptcy 16 years ago. We had no "mortality insurance" on the house, and we were less than a year into the mortgage. I think that was a prime opportunity, and frankly I should have utilized it. I was concerned with my reputation and credibility, but it was still the correct thing to have done.
The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOf course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is a joke.
I'm down with that.
The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOf course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.
I'm down with that.
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Originally Posted by MisterVThe problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOf course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.
I'm down with that.
Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.
I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."
I played the Westin promotion and paid about 15 people to do it for me as well. Its been so long I don't remember the exact deal but I know you had to give them cash to get at least double it may have even been triple that amount in free play IIRC it was up to $500.
At the beginning, you could get in and out fairly quickly, but once the word got out the line was very long and it was a very long wait. Soon after, they also ran a double jackpot promotion I think it was 1 per person. Probably not wize to just get any bumb off the street and hand him cash. I guess you could wait in line with the person and hand him the cash once he got up to the boothling. I wouldnt want to do that in fear of getting tossed out.
Since Alan and Rob think Free Play is worthless then they will claim the promo was worthless.
Alan, I can post up some $500++ an hour plays. If I do, will you stop posting for one month and on your return stop talking about AP?
Here is a starter for you. You can find probably the information online if you investigate. Back in early 2000's Casino-on-net(now casino 888) ran a promo where they paied double on 0 and 7 for about 2 hours. Unfortunatlly, and unknown to me at the time, you didnt get the bonus money untill the next day so you couldnt parlay you winnings into larger bets(eventully you were going to run out of money with a bunch of pending bonuses). I also didnt know if I could trust the casino to pay or if there games were random. So we only deposited a few thousand each. You had to roll over the bonus money one once before you cashed out. They lost millions on that promotion most it was taken out by online bonus hunter AP's who made large cash deposits leadding up to the promotion day. That was worth 100's of thousands per hour if you prepared. If you didnt prepair all that well it was only worth 3k to 10k per hour.
IIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I think most of what appears here is just a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVThe problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOf course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Yung
By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.
I'm down with that.
Tsk Tsk Tsk. You put the imaginary conversation in quotes. Didn't you once write that you can't use quotes unless it was an accurate reuse of the same words?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterVThe problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.
I'm down with that.
Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.
I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."
Perhaps, but when it comes to promotions and they lose their ass, they might not be so honorable(even B&M casinos will pull shenanigans). Back in the day when Casino On Net first appeared you could disconnect during a hand on Blackjack if you didn't like your hand and you got a refund. You would think this would make you a shit ton of money, however, this wasn't the case for me, I stopped because I was just treading water. Obviously, I didn't do it every time or at a rate that might make them catch on. IMO, at that time the software was gaffed. I guess I could have just ran really bad. It's not like I didn't have B&M casinos and promos to play at here in Vegas. Its hard to do everything. In hindsight, there's a lot of things I wish I would have done differently, more of, or concentrated on different plays instead. Sometimes you just have to do the things you know is working for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayIIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
p.s. I didnt have much time to really prepair either. I was lucky to get any money in.
Axel why would I say free play is worthless? I've never said such a thing. I think free play is very valuable. I hit my second $100k royal at Caesars using $2500 of free play. I make use of my $50 free play twice a week at a local casino in Vegas. I think free play should always be used.
Obviously you have me confused with someone else and some different statement.
Oh, and I'm glad to see you posting here after you were reamed by so many of the WOV crowd.
Axel regarding your offer:
"Alan, I can post up some $500++ an hour plays. If I do, will you stop posting for one month and on your return stop talking about AP?"
I accept your challenge if these are current promos that I can verify by calling each casino. If they're offers from years past then no. I don't live in the past but it appears many APs do.
If you want to cling to that stance, then at least admit that Singer didn't repeatedly threaten (in writing) to meet up with half the persons here to beat them up in some dark alley, or to kill them on sight with his pistol - and then claim it was all a joke. I'm usually the last one around my place to get a real joke, but I realized straight away that Singer's was too-far fetched, and easily verifiable by just eyeballing any one of Mickey's pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Of course you do. And what will become of it? Another six months of wrangling over details with fly-by-nighters who have nothing better to do but have you accept their cinch conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Why would anyone give an anti-AP'er information on current promotions? Go find them yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill YungOf course you do. And what will become of it? Another six months of wrangling over details with fly-by-nighters who have nothing better to do but have you accept their cinch conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Yes, and you, Argentino, Blackstinkhole and Yung are the jokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
More Singer myths. 95% of the homeless have I.D's. Would anyone really go to the trouble of making a false ID for those that don't? And if you want to see a casino turn into a ghost town watch what happens when a good promotion ends or is cancelled. You could shoot a shotgun down the middle of the place and not hit anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I need to hear from Axel. Are these current offers?
I have a list of "AP offers" from my past including $5,000 cash show-up money at Bellagio and multiple $2500 free play offers from Caesars with no additional play required.
Playing 8/5 Bonus thru one time what were the Caesars offers worth? More than your $500.
The Bellagio offer required no play but I did hit a $31,000 progressive on it.
But alas they are in the PAST. Now, what have you got today?
Please don't exclude 99% of everything else here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYes, and you, Argentino, Blackstinkhole and Yung are the jokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
A joke?
What's the punch line?
Yes for very large payouts they may have sang a different tune. Recall that in those cases you could go to Casinomeister in an attempt at arbitration (you might get 50% of your winnings) and also there was a specialized arbiter for Playtech casinos (back when US citizens could play at Playtech casino sites) which I forget the name of.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfPerhaps, but when it comes to promotions and they lose their ass, they might not be so honorable(even B&M casinos will pull shenanigans). Back in the day when Casino On Net first appeared you could disconnect during a hand on Blackjack if you didn't like your hand and you got a refund. You would think this would make you a shit ton of money, however, this wasn't the case for me, I stopped because I was just treading water. Obviously, I didn't do it every time or at a rate that might make them catch on. IMO, at that time the software was gaffed. I guess I could have just ran really bad. It's not like I didn't have B&M casinos and promos to play at here in Vegas. Its hard to do everything. In hindsight, there's a lot of things I wish I would have done differently, more of, or concentrated on different plays instead. Sometimes you just have to do the things you know is working for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayIIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
p.s. I didnt have much time to really prepair either. I was lucky to get any money in.
People gamble at casinos and lose, and people gamble at real estate and lose. It doesnt mean bankruptsy is the course that honest people should take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerIt was 1996. Illness wasn't my issue and I've explained it here before when arci blew his stack over me. But I'll be happy to go over it once again because it was a stepping stone to our financial security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
First off I lost about $45k/year on apvp for 6-1/2 yrs., and while that may seem a lot back then to the scrapers-by here, I didn't even feel it. The bigger issue was buying a piece of land in Calif. for six figures that turned out to be a scam and I lost it all. I was out of the country 75% of the time and didn't do my homework like I should have. So we filed to eliminate that debt, and before the BK laws were changed they couldn't touch our significant 401k's, so I took complete advantage of that and a few other loopholes. In short, it was a very positive experience, but as regnis could probably tell you, the law changed since then and it would be a VERY different outcome today.
Now I've also talked about how I took huge advantage of IRS law for the 10 years I filed as a professional gambler. Few people do that--even Jean Scott and her infamous Chinese tax atty. don't even have access to the kind of legal tricks I did with my son-in-law at the time.
Yes, every time I took my wife out to dinner, that was a business expense, which for those of you on the sidelines who don't know, is a direct deduction from income. Why? Because I was a pro gambler, a writer, and a consultant to other VP players as I called it. And my wife was my volunteer assistant whom I discussed business matters with at every meal out.
As for the partial grocery deductions--I had many BBQ parties in my backyard, and there were always times I had one or more of my "clients" over. Thus the groceries deductions. And why would the IRS allow this? Because I pro-actively showed them their own guidelines on saving the Govt. money by choosing the cheaper of the two: an expensive meal out...or a far cheaper meal in the back yard.
These were just some of the things that not only professional gamblers should be checking on in any way possible, but ALL schedule C filers should be trying to find out about. Think GE, who used to pay lots of taxes until they smartened up and hired roomfulls of ex-IRS employees to do their taxes. They went from paying hundreds of millions to paying none.
It's all there folks, and you don't have to be a super special phantom bucks expert to be able to utilize these bankruptcy and tax tools.
Someone in the "right" could sue if there was a provable scam by the casino via rigged games. or knowingly feeding massive amounts of alcohol to a big fish (i have heard of that type of case in AC...but dnt know how that turned out).........but ifsomeone was scammed.....they would try to get their money back as well as try to avoid paying the remained of theirobligation.....but you dont get that via bankruptcy. In bankruptsy..they get to keep what they already have,
And in bankruptcy, all boats sink with the bankruptcy tide..Every creditor gets stiffed. Even the one that didnt fuck you.
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer