Retards at Rio gave $510 freeplay to anyone who was Caesars Diamond Plus or higher, or MGM Gold or higher... what do you think happened?

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by redietz

This is where you and I part strategic company. Because this promo requires no skill, I would have told friends/family about it, but not with the idea of self-profiting. I don't understand how you can argue that I'm pennyante when I have never, ever grifted off friends and acquaintances in this manner, and you have.

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Oh, this requires no skill? Then, please tell me how you're going to get your friends and family to higher-tier levels without losing a bunch of money in the first place?

I'm fairly certain it's been mentioned before. I don't really think you understand(or you purposely avoid this aspect)l that when many Advantage Players talk about "friends and family," it really means people they have recruited over the years who are basically part-time employees.

Sure, some of those people may become friends over the years, but they're very happy with the arrangement and they're just not interested in doing the stuff on their own.

Those higher-tier levels they achieve are usually not something they've done on their own. There's a lot of time, effort, and risk in achieving and maintaining those higher levels while remaining profitable.

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As to why some people use the terms "friends and family," people may not want the casinos and others to know they are running a bunch of employees and randos through on promotions.

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Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk. But if you think I'm laying them out on this forum, you're nuts. They do require patience and the ability to hit-and-run while toting a fair amount of cash, but to quote Nirvana, "I've said too much. I set it up."

The "not interested in doing stuff on their own" translates into "I ain't explainin' it unless they make me" 99% of the time, so no, I don't buy others' laziness as a legitimate reason to skim money from them. But hey, I'm a sleazebag tout; what do I know about decency?

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Originally Posted by redietz

This is where you and I part strategic company. Because this promo requires no skill, I would have told friends/family about it, but not with the idea of self-profiting. I don't understand how you can argue that I'm pennyante when I have never, ever grifted off friends and acquaintances in this manner, and you have.

The last time I ran into something like this was at what used to be the Maxim. I told my compadres, they did the hundred-dollar promo, I waited. It would not have occurred to me to think I should get a piece.

I guess we poor folk live by our own rules.

To me, something requiring no skill draws a clear, philosophical line in the sand. You don't exploit friends/family when you're really contributing nothing to the opportunity.

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How many times did you not tell your family about easily beatable sports betting promotions? You shouldnt shit on your family like that.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Oh, this requires no skill? Then, please tell me how you're going to get your friends and family to higher-tier levels without losing a bunch of money in the first place?

I'm fairly certain it's been mentioned before. I don't really think you understand(or you purposely avoid this aspect)l that when many Advantage Players talk about "friends and family," it really means people they have recruited over the years who are basically part-time employees.

Sure, some of those people may become friends over the years, but they're very happy with the arrangement and they're just not interested in doing the stuff on their own.

Those higher-tier levels they achieve are usually not something they've done on their own. There's a lot of time, effort, and risk in achieving and maintaining those higher levels while remaining profitable.

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As to why some people use the terms "friends and family," people may not want the casinos and others to know they are running a bunch of employees and randos through on promotions.

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Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk. But if you think I'm laying them out on this forum, you're nuts. They do require patience and the ability to hit-and-run while toting a fair amount of cash, but to quote Nirvana, "I've said too much. I set it up."

The "not interested in doing stuff on their own" translates into "I ain't explainin' it unless they make me" 99% of the time, so no, I don't buy others' laziness as a legitimate reason to skim money from them. But hey, I'm a sleazebag tout; what do I know about decency?

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So now redietz is claiming to be an AP.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Oh, this requires no skill? Then, please tell me how you're going to get your friends and family to higher-tier levels without losing a bunch of money in the first place?

I'm fairly certain it's been mentioned before. I don't really think you understand(or you purposely avoid this aspect)l that when many Advantage Players talk about "friends and family," it really means people they have recruited over the years who are basically part-time employees.

Sure, some of those people may become friends over the years, but they're very happy with the arrangement and they're just not interested in doing the stuff on their own.

Those higher-tier levels they achieve are usually not something they've done on their own. There's a lot of time, effort, and risk in achieving and maintaining those higher levels while remaining profitable.

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As to why some people use the terms "friends and family," people may not want the casinos and others to know they are running a bunch of employees and randos through on promotions.

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Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk. But if you think I'm laying them out on this forum, you're nuts. They do require patience and the ability to hit-and-run while toting a fair amount of cash, but to quote Nirvana, "I've said too much. I set it up."

The "not interested in doing stuff on their own" translates into "I ain't explainin' it unless they make me" 99% of the time, so no, I don't buy others' laziness as a legitimate reason to skim money from them. But hey, I'm a sleazebag tout; what do I know about decency?

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In that case, we all know how to handicap college football and make 20%+, but if you think we are laying that out on this forum, you're nuts.

I don't know what you're talking about, laziness, and I ain't explaining it correctly. Do you think most 22-year-old college girls have much desire and interest in learning how to AP free play, well-coached or not? Give me a break, man, we hear off guys that are actually Advantage Players who claim they wouldn't pay 50% for free play.

You don't understand that some people just aren't cut out for certain things, no matter how easy or lucrative it is, and no matter how well you explain it and show them.

I have many examples of that very thing.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

As to why some people use the terms "friends and family," people may not want the casinos and others to know they are running a bunch of employees and randos through on promotions.

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Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk. But if you think I'm laying them out on this forum, you're nuts. They do require patience and the ability to hit-and-run while toting a fair amount of cash, but to quote Nirvana, "I've said too much. I set it up."

The "not interested in doing stuff on their own" translates into "I ain't explainin' it unless they make me" 99% of the time, so no, I don't buy others' laziness as a legitimate reason to skim money from them. But hey, I'm a sleazebag tout; what do I know about decency?

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So now redietz is claiming to be an AP.

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I don't know, he coached/told his people how to make $100 on a play that was worth close to $500.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Oh, this requires no skill? Then, please tell me how you're going to get your friends and family to higher-tier levels without losing a bunch of money in the first place?

I'm fairly certain it's been mentioned before. I don't really think you understand(or you purposely avoid this aspect)l that when many Advantage Players talk about "friends and family," it really means people they have recruited over the years who are basically part-time employees.

Sure, some of those people may become friends over the years, but they're very happy with the arrangement and they're just not interested in doing the stuff on their own.

Those higher-tier levels they achieve are usually not something they've done on their own. There's a lot of time, effort, and risk in achieving and maintaining those higher levels while remaining profitable.

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As to why some people use the terms "friends and family," people may not want the casinos and others to know they are running a bunch of employees and randos through on promotions.

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Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk. But if you think I'm laying them out on this forum, you're nuts. They do require patience and the ability to hit-and-run while toting a fair amount of cash, but to quote Nirvana, "I've said too much. I set it up."

The "not interested in doing stuff on their own" translates into "I ain't explainin' it unless they make me" 99% of the time, so no, I don't buy others' laziness as a legitimate reason to skim money from them. But hey, I'm a sleazebag tout; what do I know about decency?

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Dude, you ain’t in axel’s league. He’s major league. You’re D ball.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by Tasha

Dan, you're not looking at the BIG picture here. The $500 promo SOUNDS stupid, but in the long run it REALLY isn't. A Woman won a $5,000 promo, ended up playing back all the $5,000 and more. So in the long run, a huge majority of the people who got the $500 will play it back plus more.

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My, aren't YOU naive, sugar-tits: most of the folks lining up are locals who are doing a hit and run, one time only, wham bam thank you ma'am.

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But a huge majority of people LEAVE the Casino with the promo money and then come back later and play it all back. A LOT of people have the mentality of,"This is the Casino's money I I am playing with, not my own hard earned money, so I can blow it frivolously with no skin off my nose." Hell, even I blew almost $300 free play away frivously, fully expecting to win at least another $300 again that day. I didn't win anymore free play and was instead banned for a year for getting free play through a scam.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk.

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Originally Posted by Tasha

Hell, even I blew almost $300 free play away frivously, fully expecting to win at least another $300 again that day.

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Originally Posted by Tasha

But a huge majority of people LEAVE the Casino with the promo money and then come back later and play it all back.

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Uhhh...no; a thousand times no.

As the article said people are signing up for the promotion, playing through the $500 in free play and then leaving the casino.

Where do you get the idea that "a huge majority of people LEAVE the Casino with the promo money and then come back later?"

That ain't how it works, Karen: the players have ZERO desire to return to Rio later, they simply want to get the promotion, play through the free play and then leave.

Why on earth would anybody want to stand in line for a long time to get the promo, leave, and come back later?

Especially to a shit-hole like Rio?

Let me guess: you pulled this notion out of your ass as if it were a cling-on?

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Originally Posted by redietz

Actually, Axelwolf, you and I both know ways to get to higher tier levels that circumvent most of the sweat and almost all of the risk.

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So why do/ did you pay for room and food in Vegas?

Back around 2018, give or take, there were a few locations and only a few games where you could achieve any level you wanted for a zero variance total cost of around $50 within a few hours. Add another $50 in variance for cover play.

There were only about 5 people who knew about it. Earning all the RFB, free play/gift cards(thousands), and shows was the easy part.

Then you had to keep a complete list of everyone's name, card numbers, date of birth, various credit card numbers, and make reservations for everyone.


Meeting up with and coordinating all your recruits to check in on specific days and times at multiple different places, explaining the what, when, where, and how, paying everyone, and then collecting all the free play vouchers and running the free play, was where the actual work came in.

You had to figure out which places didn't require credit cards for check-in for those who didn't have credit cards, and give them deposit money. Figure out who lost their ID that weekend and how to solve the problem. Figure out who couldn't make it for one reason or another, cancel reservations, and figure out when they could reschedule, if possible. Figure out what promotions you didn't have to check in for, even though you were technically supposed to. This would go on and off for months after just one session per card.

Some people were self-reliant, but you are dealing with that many people, shit can go wrong.

Speaking of self-reliant, the most self-reliant, smart, and easy to deal with people are young college girls.

It wasn't all business and work; college girls are also fun to party with.

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Originally Posted by Tasha

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by Tasha

Dan, you're not looking at the BIG picture here. The $500 promo SOUNDS stupid, but in the long run it REALLY isn't. A Woman won a $5,000 promo, ended up playing back all the $5,000 and more. So in the long run, a huge majority of the people who got the $500 will play it back plus more.

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My, aren't YOU naive, sugar-tits: most of the folks lining up are locals who are doing a hit and run, one time only, wham bam thank you ma'am.

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But a huge majority of people LEAVE the Casino with the promo money and then come back later and play it all back. A LOT of people have the mentality of,"This is the Casino's money I I am playing with, not my own hard earned money, so I can blow it frivolously with no skin off my nose." Hell, even I blew almost $300 free play away frivously, fully expecting to win at least another $300 again that day. I didn't win anymore free play and was instead banned for a year for getting free play through a scam.

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You would probably be right in a place like Florida where the number of casinos are limited and casinos would target freeplay offers SPECIFICALLY to compulsive gamblers.

This is a completely different situation because in Vegas, you LITERALLY have a casino on every corner and often many in between the corners.

They did not target it specifically to COMPULSIVE slot gamblers with a history at their property but to any RANDOM person with a certain level card.

So of course they are going to hammered with people just taking the money and leaving.

Sure they may get a couple of people that play it back and put some of their own money in.

But it’s going to be a very small percentage of people because of the gambling market in Vegas & the way they offered it to such a large part of the population, not just known DEGENERATE slot gamblers, without a lot of other casino options.

By the way Dan so you don’t get heat for using the politically INCORRECT term “Retards” you should use the politically CORRECT term “Differently-abled marketing segmentation specialists.”