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Dan, if you're so-called "overcomped" status is "confirmed & verifiable" as you wrote above, how is it you cannot simply "verify it" here?
Seems to me it would put an end to this discussion in your favor--which bringing up the issue is what it's all about, is it not? Instead, you ramble on & on & on like a screaming young J.A.P. trying to get her way, with long repetitious assertions, allegations, and creations that somehow must be making you feel better but to the rest only continue confirming how much bs you keep passing around on the subject. You wouldn't even be convincing your own shill here.
Yes...you earn 5000 TCs...and 5000 RCs...plus a 10000 TC bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
You do that 10 times, you have 150000 TCs and 50000 RCs.
That's what Dan wrote...
Each time he earns 7stars...which is once per year...not each 5000 TC gaming day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Okay coach. But $500 in comps goes quickly. I'm curious how Dan has mastered the art of having so many RCs in his bank yet earns $500 a year thru play? Inquiring minds can't figure this out considering all those days he stays in Vegas... even just for the WSOP? Is he eating crackers from the gift shop?
I'd like the master of overcomped to explain, please.
The $500 in RCs figure I provided was for the entirety of earning Seven Stars in a given year, NOT for one day of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I do not have a profit overall playing casino games.
However, the comps I have redeemed (in their actual value to me, assessed honestly) are FAR above both my theoretical AND actual losses.
Furthermore, being overcomped has little to do with losses versus comps redeemed. Yes, the goal is to receive more comps than you have lost. Yes, I wouldn't play if I could see the future that I would lose more than my comps would be worth. But that is all based upon luck, and you can only make decisions based upon expectation and variance, as there is no way to predict luck.
For example, if I sit at a 6-handed poker table, and I know that all 5 opponents are substantially better than me, I am making a dumb decision. Even if I luck out and win, I still made a dumb decision.
Similarly, if I sit at a 6-handed poker table where all 5 opponents are low-skill novices, then I made a great decision. If I have terrible luck and still lose, despite being far and away the best player at the table, I still made a good decision to play.
Making GOOD DECISIONS OF WHEN AND WHEN NOT TO PLAY is the hallmark of being an AP. If you consistently make such good decisions, the luck will usually average out, given enough time. If you routinely make BAD decisions of when and when not to play, you will end up a LOSER at the casino, barring incredible and unlikely luck.
If the comps I expect to redeem are far above my expected loss, but then I have horrible luck and lose more than the comps are worth, I still made the right decision to play.
We can't all be like Rob Singer, who plays for 10 years and clears a million dollars profit, despite having the mathematical odds sharply against him every time.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
When I'm there at the WSOP, I am by myself and eat cheaply. I also get food vouchers which offset some of the cost.
When it's not WSOP time, I use some RCs for meals, but also sometimes eat off property. Also, I have $500 worth of meals (at $100 each) per year as a Seven Stars benefit, so I use those whenever I have a meal with a bill of at least $100.
And as I said, I earn a minimum of $500 RCs per year, as well as extras from promotions and stuff like that. I used to get additional food vouchers/offers before I became overcomped, which also helped me bank more RCs.
Where are you going with this? Do you not believe I have like $1800 RCs left? I can show you a screen shot if you doubt me.
What do you want verified?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Would you care to place a wager (escrowed with a trusted third party, of course -- perhaps Alan?) that I can call a host right now with you listening on 3-way, ask if I'm overcomped, and that they'll say yes?
In fact, we can call 5 different hosts. You can choose the Vegas properties, and we will just ask for the host on duty.
Let me know when you would like to place this bet.
In fact, I can prove that I don't even qualify for a single free night based upon my play -- even at the cheapest hotel in Vegas on the cheapest night of the year. That's because I'm overcomped. I only get the free rooms based upon being Seven Stars.
There is no hocus-pocus to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
It's also not worth it to you unless you are going to utilize most of what Seven Stars offers you.
If you're not going to take the cruise, not going to take the annual trip, and not going to stay in many CET hotels, it's not worth it to you.
Daily bankroll doesn't matter. I don't live from hand to mouth.
What matters to me is the bankroll required to reach 150,000 tier credits (including bonus).
That depends upon the machines one plays. The best machines in the western US right now are in Lake Tahoe. 99.54% JoB is the safest one, as you can do a 5-play $1 machine and the variance is lowest.
I was playing the higher variance $5 bonus poker machines in Laughlin and Rincon in 2013, and that's part of the reason I had a bad year, as I hit zero royals. I have since learned to stick to the lower variance machines,.
Using the Tahoe machines I described, it takes me about 5 hours to earn 5000 base TCs. I have to do this 10 different days in order to earn Seven Stars.
Hitting a royal is important if you don't want to lose 5 figures. This is because the royal is almost 2% of the return. If you put $500,000 coin-in through the machine, a lack of royal costs you about $10,000 right there. So if you have zero royals but average luck otherwise, you would still lose over $12,000 at JoB.
You have a 39% chance of hitting at least one royal if playing the 20,000 hands required at $5/credit. Here is where you can get burned, because that means there's a 61% chance you will fail to hit a royal, and essentially that's costing you $10k. This is what ate me in 2013.
If you do the 5-play type machines, your chance of hitting at least one royal goes way up, though I don't know the exact numbers, because that's hard to calculate (as your starting hand is the same for all 5 hands, and then deviates from there). But you have a much better shot at hitting royals this way. That's how I hit 6 royals during my March 2015 Rincon trip (and I got lucky, too).
The bottom line is that expected losses earning Seven Stars on 9-6 JoB is $2300, but even that carries a good deal of variance, so you need to be prepared to lose over $10k. Losing $20k would be pretty unlikely, but possible if you get really unlucky. Of course, some years you will win, too.
That was the questions I asked pages ago, it was never answered. Enough with the coin-in, how much did you lose making 7 Star. $500 makes you over-comped, $5,000 is a comp wash, and $50,000 gets you a lot of sympathy. Which is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Good Lord...talk about being difficult....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
This is common tactic that only casts doubt on the veracity of your claims.
I've seen it a few times before...some braggart makes a claim...another asks for proof...the braggart offers to provide proof only as terms of a wager that he knows will never be accepted. The braggart then forever absolves himself of proving his claims.
Why act like a weasel?...because everybody else is doing it?
Why not set a new standard?...just be a straight-up guy and back up your claims without manipulating yourself into not backing them up, with these phony wagers that you know full well will never be accepted.
How do you want it backed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
A signed letter from the CEO of Caesars that I'm overcomped?
Do you honestly not believe if you got on 3-way with me right now, that a host wouldn't tell me I'm overcomped?
Do you really think I'm making this up?
Oh they will be accepted, it's the terms that will be argued endlessly. Until finally the details are so picked apart, nobody can agree on any one part of the wager and it dies. It's been done here several times with the same player.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Dan I don't doubt that you have $1800 in reward credits. What I doubt now is that you play as little as you say you play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
On my last trip to Caesars I earned about $133 in comps. I still had to pay out of pocket about $162 for meals. I guess I don't eat as cheaply as you do.
You don't understand the term overcomped if you're asking this.Quote:
Originally Posted by james40
Call a host and ask what it means, and he/she will explain it to you.
I've been Seven Stars for 5 years and have lost 4 figures doing it (total).
Is that good enough?
When I'm alone, I eat very cheaply there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I have 13,000 tier credits in 2016 right now, most of which were from that stupid bonus I earned based upon 2015 play (remember that?)
The rest was from WSOP play, which also gives you tier credits.
I can show you a screen shot if you don't believe me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The loss of $10K-$20K is presumably over the course of reaching 150000 TCs...10 gaming days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Should one be prepared to lose that much in one gaming day?
I recall that Rob quoted a figure close to $60K on hand needed in order to reach his daily win goal...which was a dollar amount.
If the goal is 5000 TCs, then how much should the player have on hand for that gaming day?
I'd rather just rape their table games for 6 figures a year. F that SS card!!
Yes, thank you. I don't know about over or under comped, but 5 years of 7 Star with only a 4 figure loss is commendable. Write a book, Jean Scott is getting up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Social Security card???Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I don't want it backed up...but others do...so ask them what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I just noted that your reluctance to provide proof without all the phony wager nonsense casts doubt.
We've seen this tactic before...it never provides any answers. You know that, so why be so difficult?
I don't know why you care about a gaming day, but no, you will never lose $10k playing 5x$1 9-6 Jacks or Better while earning 5000 tier credits. That would be an 80% return on the $50,000 wagered, which is highly unlikely on a relatively low-variance machine paying 99.54%.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
There's no reluctance.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I cannot provide written proof because no such thing exists. But there are other ways to verify it, including by common sense. If you're a member of a program like Seven Stars which offers unlimited type redemptions (hotel rooms) plus other fixed benefits worth $500-$1200 each, it's easy to rack up these guaranteed benefits by heavy usage, thus dwarfing your expected loss.
It would be like buying a yearlong buffet pass for $500, and then having people tell you that there's no way you can eat $500 worth of food there in a year.
You're beating their table games for 6 figures per year?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
If so, congrats, but I have no idea how you're doing it.
In fact, I haven't seen CET with beatable blackjack in quite some time.
That too.Quote:
Originally Posted by james40
I didn't say I was. I said "I'd rather."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Doesn't have to be card counting either.
Actually, Dan, in order for everyone to agree that you are "overcomped" you would have to provide a lot of details including:
Win/loss statement
Actual accounting of the number of free hotel room nights you get
Actual accounting of other offers, benefits including cruises, airfare, gifts, shows
You might actually have received more in comps than you lost. But even if your comps-received didn't offset your losses, in the view of Caesars you might have received more in comps than a player at your level should be getting.
The meaning of the word "overcomped" is in the eye of the beholder. To some of us, your overcomped status means nothing if you did not have a profit in the casino. But for you, who needs hotel rooms for 23 nights to play in the WSOP, the casino loss is worth less than the value of the free hotel rooms. And for Caesars, you might be using more hotel rooms than they'd like for a player at your play level.
I'm still curious how you banked $1800 worth of Reward Credits without living on bread and water? I've seen you at Nobu with your son and girlfriend.
I'm buying into your explanation of the value of the SS (Seven Stars) card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I'm considering giving your "strategy" a shot in 2017.
I just wanted to know how much cash/casino credit on hand I would need not to bust out before reaching 5000 TCs.
If I decide to go through with it, I'll chronicle the adventure right here...complete with wager-free proof of some sort.
99.95% Pick 'Em poker at Windsor. It's $80 (Canadian) coin in per TC though.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
That visit was on the $500 yearly meal Seven Stars benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I'm not going to go through the arduous process of accounting of all of the above.
It should be clear to anyone with common sense how one can be overcomped, given an unlimited benefit program like Seven Stars.
By "everyone" you must mean yourself, because you can't speak for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Wouldn't a conversation with a host, with you present, convince you?
In regards to building up comps from time to time various CET props have RC multiplier days. On our recent trip to Tahoe on Thursday we got a 15 times RC multiplier. We only played to the 2500 TC/RC level because my wife is already well past the 150,000 TC level and quite frankly there in nothing past this level that CET is offering other than recreation that is worth the risk reward IMO. Normally on that day we would have only earned a little over $25 in RC's but with the 15 times multiplier we earned close to $400 on that one day. Like Dan between the 2 of us we have close to $2000 in built up unused RC's. We are holding on to them because unless we are on a 7 star trip or at a CET property that gives us room credit without touching our RC's we normally are not willing to pay for the overpriced steakhouses. When the time is right we will find something better to use them on.
One other thing in regard to Tahoe and you probably are already aware of this Dan, you can use part of your $500 folio at the gift shop and do not have to use it all for dining. In the past 5 or 6 years we have been to just about all of the CET properties and it is amazing how much difference there is in the policies and procedures from property to property and in particular how they handle their comps. Vegas to us is by far the stingiest.
My point is everyone has a different definition of "overcomped." Being overcomped as Caesars sees it might be the ratio of free hotel nights Dan uses to the number of nights a player at his level is expected to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
But for me, "overcomped" is a factor of his actual casino profit or loss vs the value of the comps he receives.
So let me ask you, coach, what do you consider "overcomped" to be?
I received an email (thru my website) from a complete stranger who told me they were BANNED from a casino in Lake Tahoe because they took too many bottled waters from the VIP office there. No kidding. They had been warned not to take more than 10 bottles per day, but they persisted, and after several additional warnings they were BANNED from the casino. They were told that the casino did not allow for players to have more than EIGHT bottled waters a day. I mention this to tell you that casinos have their own "math" for how they handle players.
Dan might indeed by "overcomped" as Caesars see it if he is indeed taking 23 nights to play at the WSOP but not playing the expected amount that a casino player would play using those same number of nights. Remember that the WSOP only collects a fee for each tournament and my guess is those fees don't cover those 23 hotel room nights. And in that way Dan might indeed be overcomped.
Regarding that $500 Seven Stars dining credit: the maximum benefit would be five $100 certificates. That's a maximum of five different meals -- there is no "change" when you don't use the entire $100 certificate. So I'm still having a problem figuring out how Dan amassed $1800 in banked reward credits when he tells us he only lost "four figures" over 5 years earning Seven Stars.
Frankly, if I were Dan, I'd keep a lid on it. No sense sharing the wealth.
He may have had his offers reduced because someone reads these pages. That seems like a pretty clear reason CET would, as Alan says, checkmark Dan as a "problem player." Sharing information probably makes one a problem.
Alan, on the other hand, makes it seem like a player should follow some unwritten rules so as to never step on a host's toes or take more than what is "reasonable." That kind of cheerleading for not extracting every cent in value is bound to be looked upon with a smile.
If a host/hosts tell Dan on multiple occasions that he is overcomped...then he must be overcomped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Who am I to consider anyone overcomped, or to define what overcomped means?
That's for the casino to decide, since they are the ones distributing the comps.
It's evidently an industry term, and who is any position to define their terms for them?
If Dan's not willing to dispute the casino's assessment, then why should you?
Because, coach, if Dan has been able to find some loopholes to get more out of the casinos I'm all for spreading the knowledge. By the same token we should all know where Dan went too far, which he obviously did.
So to respond to redietz: yes we should all maximize our comps and offers but not to the point that we get no-mailed as Dan has.
Why take 12 bottles of water when the casino said stop at 10 and the rules said 8?
And 5 years of Singer's tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
So your assumption is that Dan is withholding loopholes or not disclosing some action on his part that's gotten him flagged as "overcomped"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The fact that he played optimally to reach 150000 TCs, then took full advantage of all of the 7Stars benefits that he could (without additional play), would not be enough for the casino to consider him overcomped?
There must be something else?
I don't know if Dan used any loopholes or not. I really want to find out what mistake he made -- and obviously he made a mistake to get no-mailed. Maybe he should have stopped at 20 free nights for the WSOP and not 23? I don't know.
At first when he said he was "overcomped" I thought it meant that hosts didn't want to deal with him and they wouldn't give him anything extra. When he started this thread, in his first post, he announced he was completely no-mailed which, to tell you the truth, is very significant.
Remember that I was no-mailed by Rincon and they accused me of FRAUD when they did it. So for Dan to get no-mailed is pretty serious. Was it just that he took too many free hotel rooms along with maximizing his Seven Stars benefits? Inquiring minds want to know. There could be a lesson here for everyone.
If indeed Dan was no-mailed ONLY for maximizing his Seven Stars benefits I think that is very unfair to him.
The most logical reason he would be "no-mailed," if indeed he was, was that he shared how to do this publicly, thereby creating opportunities for numerous other people to do the same. These evil casinos can hold a grudge without ever fessing up as to why they did things.
Either that or the gold fishnets he wore to Cleopatra's Barge every other Tuesday. Glowed in the dark. Very tacky.
Running up 150000 TCs with minimal losses, then cashing in a bunch of no-play free-stays has to trigger some kind of nasty reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I've heard of folks getting their player's card disabled for running through free-play and leaving without additional play, no overnight stay involved.
No more mail...no more comps...no more account access...basically treated like a deadbeat and told to get lost.
I've never heard of this happening at CET. Not in the past 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I am not engaging in any kind of trickery or loopholes.
I am just utilizing the program better than most others, staying fully within the rules.
I'm also not going to extremes with abusing the "unlimited". For example, I have made just one trip (3 nights) to a CET property in the past 3 months.
I know this is a minority view, but I think anyone who gets no-mailed is to be commended for whacking the casinos involved. CET is just one company, and they are going to be disassembled over time. If they hate you, so what? It's a mark of honor and accomplishment to have them cringe when you walk in the door. There are other companies, other casinos, and management changes all the time.
Dancer has gotten no-mailed by a few casinos. Some people get severely limited by sports books -- rarely banned but given limits so ridiculous it's the same as banning. I know one guy who, after nailing some futures offshore, was limited to $1.20 on Sergio Garcia to win a golf tournament. No worries. There's always a way around it.
Dan do you think you will get free rooms for the 2017 WSOP?
I'm not no-mailed. I'm just no-offered at the moment.
No-mailed means you are shut out permanently from getting mailed offers, which isn't my situation.
Yes, I think I will have my free rooms in 2017, but I need to earn it again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What's the difference? Unfortunately you're not getting anything. Temporarily or for the next six months, it's all the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What do you think was the tipping point that caused this?
It's curious that you wrote "but I need to earn it again." How do you earn the free rooms? With play, right? Does that mean you were overcomped or underplayed? Do you see we are back at square one in a game of semantics and euphemisms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Bottom line is I hope you get your free rooms for the WSOP.
It's unbelievable how dense some people are. Whatever dan has said, is 100% true. Let me explain. I made 7 stars last year with losses less than 10000$. In these last 2 years I have recouped all that losses plus some more. U ask how, as a 7 star I book rooms every weekend for 4 nights here in ac. For the last 2 years. I quit my job after becoming 7 stars and depend entirely on Cet for food and lodging. Yes, we eat great food daily for free here in ac diamond lounges day in and day out. I have propably drank more than 10000$ in alcohol alone. Instead of living in a rat hole in NYC, I live lavishly in suites for 4 nights in ac. I collect their cheap and expensive gifts everytime without fail. Great gifts for friends. I used to get about 400$ a week in free play which I run thru once and leave. I attend all thier parties and have won free play at those. I play free slot tournaments and have won those. Now because I am so overcomped, I have been for the last few months on no mail list and my host doesn't even return my calls. I have less than 18000 tier points this year. I have milked them to the last penny, more so than dan can imagine. I have sold rooms and taken dozens of friends to ac to enjoy free food, concerts, top shelf alcohol and many other perks like free spa. If u know what to do, Cet 7 stars is ripe for abusing. Long live Cet
Lucky... so you live lavishly for four nights. What about the other three nights during the week? And now that you are "overcomped" what happens to the free rooms and the free play and the free gifts that you depended on to the point that you quit your job?
Having been a gambler most of my life, it’s occasionally getting to read posts like this that make following some gambling forums worth the time. Of course, being retired free time is plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
If gambling forums had a rule that any questionable gambling claims had to be verified within a weeks time or get banned, do you think their would be any members left? Imagine how sad these sites would be constantly reading about everyone's looses.
Since proving your AP gambling success would destroy your future, where would the winning AP's go?
Should have about $5k to do $50k coin in when playing single line $5 denom. That's a relatively safe amount, although you can certainly run worse than 10%, but not particularly likely. On $1 5-play, I'm not really sure what's the lowest amount to bring. I'd just say f*** it and bring $10k. Why bring less money, anyway?
If it costs $2300 to earn 7*, and you get $400 in FP, you're at a $1,900 loss. You also get $500 in food coupons, let's say they're worth half that, so now you're at a $1,650 loss. I don't know how long the WSOP goes on for, how much those rooms are worth during that time (especially at Rio), but I'd have to imagine they're worth quite a bit. Not sure how much Dan uses rooms and other mandatory comps by 7*, but if you don't think you can get $1600+ of value out of the rooms, food, etc., you've got to be out of your damn mind.
Hell, I've gotten at least $1k of value from using my 7* card at non-CET properties. I know people who have gotten many 10's of thousands of value with a 7* card at non-CET properties, albeit indirectly.
I live right here in Atlantic City, I moved from NYC, where I was paying a lot of money for rent for a rat hole. I quit my job because I make the same amount of money here in ac by gambling and comp hustling. I rent a room here with my poker friends where I spend my other 3 nights.trust me, I milk them everyday, ah the food itself is worth thousands. Last night we had barbecue ribs, oriental rice, general tso chicken, a pizza washed by a orange juice and a cold bud. Followed by fruits and bread pudding. I would say that diamond members here in ac eat better food than 90% of Americans eat every day.
I have sold rooms often, Friday and Saturday hot days, bringing me Atleast 3000 in cold cash, summer time, here in ac rooms are hard to get on the weekends, most of the weekly cheap gifts I give to friends while I sell the more expensive 7 star ones netting me about 600$ so far, I am getting a steamer this weekend, I ll sell it for $80 if anyone wants it. U get my point right. I am typing this from my luxurious suite here in ac, once again I repeat, if u r in Atlantic City or close by and u want advantage, become 7 stars and eat and stay for free for 2 years. Great for retired or people who have time. If u r working and can't milk them, then no need to become 7 stars because u will not recoup ur losses solely through benefits. Alan my free rooms will end January 31, 2017 when I lose my 7 star status.
After Jan 31, 2017 I will return to New York and continue my mundane life again, advantages of being single and young.
K, I have never told this to anyone before but this is very important and it can benefit comp hustlers, as a 7 star I get one companion card right, wrong I got 2 here in Atlantic City, because the 3 caesers properties here do not have a central system showing I have a companion card at the other casino, oh by the way I sold both my companion card for quite a bit of money, this is just the tip of the iceberg with regards to all the advantages I have taken. In fact, I have become a better at gaming 7 stars than dan himself, who I consider as my teacher. Dan feel free to message me if u want to learn some other tricks, they can add more value to ur 7 star comps.
Has anyone managed becoming Seven Stars at minimal risk in the Reno/Tahoe area? My understanding is that they have decent vp there.
RS__ congratulations on becoming 7 Stars. How did you do it and at what cost? Being a dealer in Vegas do you have any tips?
A pizza? That must have been at Harrah's Diamond Club....nobody from NYC would eat the pizza at Caesar's or Bally's.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
A couple of questions...
Can't your poker buddies get free rooms during the week...why/where are you renting?
How do you know that you are no-mailed?...where do you get your mail?
He mentioned he shares an apartment in Atlantic City on the other three nights he's not living the dream at the casino. Doesn't sound like a dream life to me, but he is young....Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Thanks....although I've been 7* for something like 2 years now. Not sure what it cost me. But I played video poker. I don't have any tips, other than quit holding 3 to a RF over high pair in BP. I'm not a dealer anymore, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I wonder what your experience has been about getting tier points for table play? Do you have any insight into the true ratings for table play?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
I don't play table games, rated, at CET properties.
I was hoping, RS__, that you had some info about how tier points are determined for table play. It seems to be the big mystery of Total Rewards. Even floormen can't answer the question. Their response is they enter their estimate of average bet and time at the table and the computer comes up with a number. They can't even see the number. You, the player, can see the number if you check your tier score before and after a table play session.
I have actually checked a few times and found no consistency. Sometimes I have been given more tier points than other times. Some of that could be because of the different estimates entered by the floorman. But other times, who knows what the reason is?
I've never worked at a CET property, so I really don't know. But other APs I know have said the same thing. Sometimes they'll get 2k points and other times they'll get something like 20k points....same casino, same boss, same time played, same average wager, even same dealer (what a coincidence!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Coach belly, u r right the pizza in caesers and BallysAc sucks, but it's ok in harrahs diamond lounge. My friends do not gamble, not my poker buddies, I have lots of friends.
I've seen this posted a few times, and it contradicts the terms on the total rewards site:Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
So wouldn't this mean you can only get 3 nights out of the week, since you have to wait 4 nights in between?Quote:
The Complimentary Room Benefit cannot be used consecutively with the Retreat Benefit and/or the Complimentary Room Benefit at another property. A minimum of four nights between any such stays is required.
You mean you haven't yet determined that "lucky" is totally full of sh**??
Rob, "my people have found lucky to be lone star and other aliases, and I have his name, ss".....,, hahaha must be like when trump said on national tv, my people are finding amazing things about president Obama in Hawaii..........(remember that when charlatan trump was fooling people claiming president Obama was not born in Hawaii.... lol rob and trump have lots in common, big talk but no prove ......release ur tax returns both rob and trump and we will see what is true and what is lies
Lucky please respond to what Guy posted above about restrictions on the number of free nights. I found that interesting.
U get 4 free nights a week, every week, just call 800 number,
They don't enforce the 4-night wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
You only need to wait 2 nights in between reservations.
Dan, that can't be true because that would mean Rob was taking cheap shots at somebody who was simply and honestly telling the truth.
I'm sure if Rob was wrong, he'll apologize ASAP.
Dan have you been able to book four night stays this way in Vegas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I've only ever had to wait "48 hours" between reservations. I'm not sure if there's any different policy or whatever if it's a comp (the ones where you get like 3-5 per month, with free-play attached) versus the 7* mandatory-room-night thing.
An illiterate too....what a surprising treat! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Many times, as recently as July 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Are you able to do all the stays at the same property (ex. 4n Rio, 2n elsewhere, 4n Rio) or do you have to stay at a different property (ex. 4n Rio, 2n elsewhere, 4n PH)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
All stays at the same property... or differnt properties if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by pkspins
Occasoinally they will get bitchy about having more than 2 advance reservations at the same place, but you can just hang up and call back and book with someone else if that happens.
This is something they have to check for manually, and only some of the reps bother to look for it. Once it's booked, it's pretty much set in stone.
Dan, it's great that you share this stuff to help other people. It's gotta come back to bite you, if it already hasn't, so I hope people appreciate that most folks would keep this kind of info to themselves (me included).
That's great, ditz, explain to the readers that you only like to share schlong stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
What a chump.
I don't share everything, but this stuff is already known by enough people, and it really just involves operating within the rules of the TR program to get the most out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It's sad that we have deniers of this, making stupid assertions that I'm playing right into the casino's hands or other nonsense like that.