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Friends of mine that vulture machines tell me the only way they get plays in Vegas is by grabbing a seat and sweating a ploppie. To much competition from other hustlers there. Vegas doesn't interest me. I work spots with little or no competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
I'm landing at McCarran in a few minutes. I'll report back with LV conditions. Please don't steal my checked bag while I check the airport.
Well known by hustlers is there are vulturable games at McCarran, even harley's I've been told. Let us know what you find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
There are a lot of good plays at McCarran including Harleys. It's a good way to kill some time before a flight. I had to abandon a GE a couple weeks ago or risk missing my flight.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWell known by hustlers is there are vulturable games at McCarran, even harley's I've been told. Let us know what you find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
Lost $40... But still a good find. Everything was picked through downtown...
I did find a Harley play at the airport worth 4%. No pic, but made $80 on a $4 demonization.
Saw another hustler poking through Aladdin... There is even competition inside the secured area at the airport!
How do you calculate the meter on a mini/maxi play where you’re likely to quit whichever one hits first? I found a 30/28/19 on the Harley slut machine device and decided to play off the short term advantage thanks to to mathematics of a great machine pro mr crimm and I did not want to let him down and be called a SAP but I had trouble determining the advantage on the slut machine device due to not knowing how much meter to include.
Was also 1% cashback for next hour so didn’t want to wait and was the $4 bet level machine with the progressive
You'll hit 3 mini for every 1 maxi. That equates to .75 of the mini meter and .25 of the maxi meter.
Also, it is a slot machine, not a slut machine.
Thank you very much mr. Zema no disrespect intended, that’s just what I thought the Harley was called by the cool kids after Barney.
Pro gave a good answer. An either/or is 6.75% instead of 7.47%. I include the regular game payback, 64.2% into the calculations to make things simple. If I know I'm going to play until I hit the mini then I use 71.67% (64.2% + 7.47%). If I going to quit after I hit either the maxi or mini then I use 70.95% (64.2 + 6.75).Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
For simplicity I even take it a little farther than that and round the numbers. On a straight up mini play I use 71.7%. On a maxi/mini play I use 71%. It makes it easier just using those two numbers. Then I add in the meter values from there.
Don't tell Barney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
Seriously though, let me know where I can find this slut machine. And don't tell my wife!
FYI - 30/28/19 is worth 102.1% if you play until the mini or maxi hits. Still a little low for my taste. I'm not saying i won't play it, but I'd sure like to see about 4-6 more spins somewhere.
I didn't pay too much attention to this thread but I am going to have to read it when I am refreshed.
I see this game all over the place and numbers on fire but I don't have a clue.
Even though it has so much competition I would like to at least learn the game before they pull it out.
The mini starts at 7 games and the maxi starts at 8. Easy rule of thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
mini45 automatic play
For every notch below 45 in the mini add two games to the maxi....like:
mini44maxi10
mini43maxi12
mini42maxi14
mini41maxi16
mini40maxi18
mini39maxi20
etc. etc. etc.
Easy Enough... Thanks... The best Mini I seen last night was 36 so glad I didn't mess with it till I talked to the Sifu (Master)!
I used Mickey's numbers to create an Excel app, so I can just punch it in on my phone:
That's pretty neat. I wish I was high tech enough to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy IncognitoI used Mickey's numbers to create an Excel app, so I can just punch it in on my phone:
My Excel calculator matches...
It's pretty simple, if you have Excel on your phone (and if you don't, it's free). You just put this formula in the EV cell:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
=(C2*0.0009) + (C3* 0.00385) + (C4*0.00623) + 0.7167
Where C2/C3/C4 are the cells with the mega/maxi/mini values.
I set mine up where I can do fractional meters.
I'm not so high tech but I'll give it a try. Although it takes me only a few seconds to do it on my phone calculator. I don't know if a windows phone is a problem or not. My plan is payed until the end of the year then I will be upgrading to an iphone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy IncognitoIt's pretty simple, if you have Excel on your phone (and if you don't, it's free). You just put this formula in the EV cell:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
=(C2*0.0009) + (C3* 0.00385) + (C4*0.00623) + 0.7167
Where C2/C3/C4 are the cells with the mega/maxi/mini values.
I must say, this is probably the best thread I have ever seen on this forum. If anyone needs any confirmation from the par sheets, I may know someone that can get them.
I agree DR. (Can I call you doc?) You should have seen what happened on Twitter.... I think we have this game nailed, but I would enjoy having a copy of the par sheet as a souvenir. Don't burn a bridge for it.
This thread has several smart people (me being the least of them) collaborating and sharing information on a current game. The force is strong with MC & M146... Special thanks to them. I can tell you they helped me a ton with my data especially around the meter calculations.
This thread does not have a bunch of people calling something bullshit that isn't... No name calling... Just information and collaboration... If ~4 posters on this board were absent, you'd see more information like this.
I hope everyone made / is making lots of money... I can report that 2/3 of the HDs have been removed from my market. Jump on them while you can!
The last play I found in the shop that removed the machines was a $700 winner about 2 hours before the machine was shut down... That took all of 20 minutes.
One other side note... I'm not use to knowing something Monet doesn't know. I especially hope he found some plays, but Vegas is a tough market...
If you have a connection that can get par sheets, I'd like to look at whale song... An older IGT game...
Get used to that! I may be out of the loop very soon altogether. I am thinking about retiring and getting into something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
I doubt that I will move from Vegas though. Very tough to get my wife onboard with that. I do try to ask her to move to Montana or some Mountain Air Fresh place where I can do some Farming... go figure.
She isn't on board and we are pretty well set up where we are at in life so it is tough to break out of this routine that we have been in for over 10 years now.
I see the doors closing and the window getting even smaller on Video Poker and what I have knowledge on.
The Younger, Bigger, Stronger Dogs are taking over as they always do since the dawn of time.
I am starting to just get plain tired after 20+ years of running around Vegas pushing buttons or whatever.
Maybe I just need a long break or vacation.
Truthfully I never liked the desert but things were a bit different in the mid 90s up till about 2010 or so.
These Progressive Machines are a ton of work in Vegas and you can burn yourself out pretty quick trying to hunt them down.
If you don't have a bunch of people camped out scouting for you, you basically have no shot.
I suppose if you really hustled it hard you could make 100 to 200 a day but you will work damn hard for it.
Not counting the money that I earn in the Casinos our current household has an income of 7k per month.
I suppose that isn't very much but I only spend about 40% of it on a monthly basis.
We live somewhat small and average or lower than average. I don't need the mansion or toys that some people seem to need.
All this doesn't matter though. Anything can come crashing down in an instant and I think I am only waiting for people to pass away before it is my time.
M - Chicks dig "dark and mysterious".
You've still got game... :-)
Besides, I like reading your posts.
A little vacation never hurt anyone.
Prozema is a master at ignoring posts and people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
He will bypass all sorts of remarks and posts.
He picks and chooses what he wants to talk about and when he gets involved.
Very smart and shows great restraint.
I don't think anyone who lives in Vegas and AP's or Lies, Cheats and Steals reads anything Rob Singer Posts.
I actually have him on ignore but when I don't sign on I might catch a glimpse of what he wrote.
I just bypass anything he writes because he isn't teaching anyone how to actually make some money in the Casino.
Either Legitimately or Not. I see no use to read what he writes.
I also have no problem following threads without reading his posts or some other peoples posts.
They aren't breaking down machines like Mickey with Math to back it up or they aren't showing people how to generate mail or anything else AP related.
Perhaps some of these Top Players are helping others through Private Messages but for the most part everything is pretty hush/hush.
The big difference about this site and WoV is that people actually talk publicly on this board which doesn't bother me.
You also can have much more freedom to say whatever you want without any hammers coming down on you.
As much as I disagree with Dan Druff I do agree with the way he runs his forum. Just let everyone say whatever they want and let people dig through the garbage to find some gems.
I prefer it much more than the Totalitarian Like Government that is WoV.
I did notice Rob Singer said something about me dying but that was all I read.
Disease can be a slow killer.
I am trying to correct problems in my body through Fasting, Detoxing and Overall Health Change.
I have always known the Casino Environment is toxic to your body in more ways than one.
However just Three Major Problems that can cause Health Decline.
Either way it doesn't matter, nobody cheats death in the end no matter what you do.
Even though Jesus defeated death and rose from the dead he still had to go through dying on the cross.
1. Smoke Filled Environment
2. Staring at Screens for 8-16 hours a day will cause major health problems.
3. Overeating and eating all sorts of rich food will cause many problems as well.
We aren't even getting into many of the other problems that can occur in a Casino.
These three have been pressing on me for 20 some odd years.
I started out in the Poker Rooms when you could see the cloud of smoke down to your waist or chest.
I would play poker in those rooms all day and night breathing that in or trying to filter it with a scarf or something like that.
Later they started to change the rooms to Non Smoking but I switched to Machines!
Many times I would have people smoking beside me with the smoke going right up my nose!
Not to mention the bars that I played at filled with smoke.
Eventually it catches up with anyone.
If you are not detoxing and eating properly and exercising it only gets worse.
Add alcohol to the mix and or drugs and other things and you will decline faster.
So with my new eating habits and health change I also have to consider getting out of the smoke filled rooms.
I did pretty well overall. I won and lost millions and I banked close to a million in cash and over that if you count some of the possessions that aren't liquid.
My shoulders and middle back are starting to feel the pressure from playing so hard for so many years.
Many people couldn't bang as hard as I could or still can. I have a video game problem and it translated well for playing video poker.
I could play 20 hours straight with only bathroom breaks many times.
Not that I can't still make some money in the Casino...
It is just harder these days and different. It isn't just lying on the floor everywhere like before.
Even if I quit for some time I could always go back to it if I do give it up for awhile.
Sometimes people just need or want a change of pace and I have been thinking about it for 3 years now.
I keep saying I am going to take a long break but it is hard to get out of the cycle.
I keep thinking how easy shoplifting and selling it is but I want to change my life and not steal anymore :)
If you ever do this do not be like this guy who was selling all the merchandise on ebay... not very smart ha ha!
John Patrick Weismiller was making 10k per month doing this grift in 2011 or so.
This idiot was using the ebay user name myotherjob2001.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...ngton_and.html
I am up at 4:30 AM today. Outside of reviewing on the hurricane on the east coast (or gas bombing in Massachusetts), I am checking in on this forum.
Yes, admittingly, I do not have to live on gambling winnings. This does not mean, I do not want to learn, or expand my horizons. I can do other things, and I do, but the last few percent of my time is checking in on my distant friends. Good and bad.
Keep the faith, everyone. I apologize for not having a good story/analysis to tell.
from the article: "Federal agents, though, say this was the man's only job." LMFAOQuote:
Originally Posted by monet
He's an amateur. The real pros are boosting high end electronics and computer junk.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayfrom the article: "Federal agents, though, say this was the man's only job." LMFAOQuote:
Originally Posted by monet
AND John Patrick??? LOL. I know it's not the gambler, but still quite funny.
So what's your record for spins without hitting? Took me 712 tonight :(. Mini was up to 69, I was down to about $300, and had some old bag breathing down my neck. Didn't even hit the wheel bonus that whole time; will def be better rolled next time.
IIRC, 990 spins to hit the mini, but I hit other stuff on the way. One guy posted up on twitter where he had $1800 on him when he chased a $4 mini. It ran him up to 127, he lost the entire $1800 and had to take a walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
I found the reset values on big 5 safari... Thanks Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou'll find the Big 5's around the GE's and OM's. Same line of machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
It would be nice if there was something to Big 5 Safari because the action generated would get a lot of freeplay and comp. But I don't see the meter rates being fast enough to sometimes put the game in positive mode.
About a week ago I found a $1.50 denom (unlinked) on this with a Bison of $93 and change and Rhino of $210 and change. I split the action 50/50 with a friend ($.75 per spin per person) and we hit the Rhino at $212 and change for a net profit of $60 per person after the drop and coin-in. Honestly we were just trying to chase the Bison, so, as far as I'm concerned, we got lucky with respect to the $80 initial investment ($40 per person).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
If both those meters were more than double the reset value then now I have to think there may be something to the game. I didn't think they moved fast enough to do that. Going to have to investigate when I get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAbout a week ago I found a $1.50 denom (unlinked) on this with a Bison of $93 and change and Rhino of $210 and change. I split the action 50/50 with a friend ($.75 per spin per person) and we hit the Rhino at $212 and change for a net profit of $60 per person after the drop and coin-in. Honestly we were just trying to chase the Bison, so, as far as I'm concerned, we got lucky with respect to the $80 initial investment ($40 per person).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I'd offer to help, but I don't have access to the game so I'm at a disadvantage. Hope the reset values help you (I suspect they will)
Yeah, it saves a lot of time. They are perfectly symmetrical. The point at which the meters start flaming tells a little story too. You know the frequency can be no lower than the point it starts flaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
One thing to keep in mind about this game (if you aren't already) is that if the screen fills with all of one animal you then get a chance for the progressive as opposed to automatically awarding the progressive for the corresponding animal. So, for example I got all Bisons and it shows a Bison (an outline of a Bison filled with all black inside) running across the screen, and then, after the Bison runs by, it might award the progressive or it might not. In the case where it does not award the progressive, it gives an award of a few dollars, depending on the denomination. I noticed on the 75 cent denomination, it rarely goes past $43 (reset value is $20) for the Bison, but I did get burned chasing the Bison at $42 for a loss of $60 one time since it is not a must hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIf both those meters were more than double the reset value then now I have to think there may be something to the game. I didn't think they moved fast enough to do that. Going to have to investigate when I get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAbout a week ago I found a $1.50 denom (unlinked) on this with a Bison of $93 and change and Rhino of $210 and change. I split the action 50/50 with a friend ($.75 per spin per person) and we hit the Rhino at $212 and change for a net profit of $60 per person after the drop and coin-in. Honestly we were just trying to chase the Bison, so, as far as I'm concerned, we got lucky with respect to the $80 initial investment ($40 per person).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Not that it makes a difference, but that animal looks more like an ox than a buffalo/bison to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAbout a week ago I found a $1.50 denom (unlinked) on this with a Bison of $93 and change and Rhino of $210 and change. I split the action 50/50 with a friend ($.75 per spin per person) and we hit the Rhino at $212 and change for a net profit of $60 per person after the drop and coin-in. Honestly we were just trying to chase the Bison, so, as far as I'm concerned, we got lucky with respect to the $80 initial investment ($40 per person).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Here is what "http://www.slots-777.com/Slot/game/big-5-safari" has to say on the matter Mcap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapNot that it makes a difference, but that animal looks more like an ox than a buffalo/bison to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAbout a week ago I found a $1.50 denom (unlinked) on this with a Bison of $93 and change and Rhino of $210 and change. I split the action 50/50 with a friend ($.75 per spin per person) and we hit the Rhino at $212 and change for a net profit of $60 per person after the drop and coin-in. Honestly we were just trying to chase the Bison, so, as far as I'm concerned, we got lucky with respect to the $80 initial investment ($40 per person).Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
"Big 5 Safari is a 5-reel slot that offers players the chance to channel their inner safari and re-enact what they may have seen on the Discovery channel without actually having to get dirty! This great slot from the developers at Nektan is themed around a safari and play begins with a spin of the jeep’s wheels and play begins. In the same way as you would should you take a trip to the Serengeti players are on the hunt for the five biggest game animals, these being the lion, elephant, leopard, rhino and buffalo.The animals make up the higher wins increasing in value from buffalo through elephant, rhino, lion and finally leopard. Players that land three, four or five letter could be awarded with multipliers ranging from 10x up to a whopping 150x."
What's important to me is that you and the other readers of my post know that it (the ox/buffalo/bison) refers to the least valuable and most frequently hit progressive of each denomination.
That's one mystery solved. Nice work. :-)
Eh I see that it says buffalo on the machine. Terrible graphic.
What's important is what percentage of the action is going into the buffalo meter. That means it has to be tracked:
1. Bet size
2. Number of spins
3. meter increase
This will determine the meter speed.
Oh, there's another important factor. Are the meters on one bet level independent of the meters on another bet level? In other words, does playing on one bet level push the meters on the other bet levels too? Some games are like that.
On the top left corner of the screen, there is a small icon of a pocket watch - if it is pressed (when not in attract mode), the values of the five animal progressives are shown for each of the five denominations. I will try and clock the Buffalo meter (as I do for must hit games) when I see people playing this (or if I take a another shot) and post it here (as well as try to check for bet level meter independence). Thanks Mickey.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Cheers, tp.
I just realized my screenshot cut a piece of the pic off. Here is a link. https://twitter.com/slot_porn/status...649108992?s=09Quote:
Originally Posted by ProzemaI found the reset values on big 5 safari... Thanks Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou'll find the Big 5's around the GE's and OM's. Same line of machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
I would also track the drop in the BS5 game. For each session I would record the amount of the ticket at start. The amount of each meter I hit. And the amount of the ticket at cashout. This will tell me how much the return is discounting the meter hits out. So you can figure out what the average cost of a regular game spin is.
Sounds good Mickey, I'll try and do this if I end up playing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I watched someone playing Big5 at $3.75 a spin. This moved the Buffalo meter 9 cents each spin (41.7 cents moves this denoms' Buffalo a penny, so a 2.4% Buffalo $3.75 denom meter). The sample size was around 20 spins, and, given the consistency of the movement, I would say that Big5 has a coin-in meter rather than coin-out meter. The other denominations' Buffalo progressives (as well as the other four animals of the other four progressives) were not visible, so I could not track them. To obtain the other metrics (Drop and other denoms' progressives movements) I will probably have to wait until I see a play (75 cents denom with Buffalo at $43 or higher or 150 cents with a friend or "friend"[random vulture that I might be cursorily acquainted with like the LID or Barney - in all future posts that is what I mean by "friend"] present and the meter at $86 or above) although it certainly would be possible to measure the drop at a particular denom if I am close enough to look at the starting bank roll in the machine, have a large enough sample size (recording the ending bank roll at the last spin of the sample), and, ideally, the person hits a progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I was able to clock someone playing the 75 cent Buffalo denom - 75 cents moves it a penny, for a 1.33% meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI watched someone playing Big5 at $3.75 a spin. This moved the Buffalo meter 9 cents each spin (41.7 cents moves this denoms' Buffalo a penny, so a 2.4% Buffalo $3.75 denom meter). The sample size was around 20 spins, and, given the consistency of the movement, I would say that Big5 has a coin-in meter rather than coin-out meter. The other denominations' Buffalo progressives (as well as the other four animals of the other four progressives) were not visible, so I could not track them. To obtain the other metrics (Drop and other denoms' progressives movements) I will probably have to wait until I see a play (75 cents denom with Buffalo at $43 or higher or 150 cents with a friend or "friend"[random vulture that I might be cursorily acquainted with like the LID or Barney - in all future posts that is what I mean by "friend"] present and the meter at $86 or above) although it certainly would be possible to measure the drop at a particular denom if I am close enough to look at the starting bank roll in the machine, have a large enough sample size (recording the ending bank roll at the last spin of the sample), and, ideally, the person hits a progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
So it appears the higher bet levels have stronger meters.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI was able to clock someone playing the 75 cent Buffalo denom - 75 cents moves it a penny, for a 1.33% meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI watched someone playing Big5 at $3.75 a spin. This moved the Buffalo meter 9 cents each spin (41.7 cents moves this denoms' Buffalo a penny, so a 2.4% Buffalo $3.75 denom meter). The sample size was around 20 spins, and, given the consistency of the movement, I would say that Big5 has a coin-in meter rather than coin-out meter. The other denominations' Buffalo progressives (as well as the other four animals of the other four progressives) were not visible, so I could not track them. To obtain the other metrics (Drop and other denoms' progressives movements) I will probably have to wait until I see a play (75 cents denom with Buffalo at $43 or higher or 150 cents with a friend or "friend"[random vulture that I might be cursorily acquainted with like the LID or Barney - in all future posts that is what I mean by "friend"] present and the meter at $86 or above) although it certainly would be possible to measure the drop at a particular denom if I am close enough to look at the starting bank roll in the machine, have a large enough sample size (recording the ending bank roll at the last spin of the sample), and, ideally, the person hits a progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
That's right Mickey - I have no idea if that sort of thing is common. I should also mention that both clocked Big5 machines are unlinked (I've seen the game in unlinked and linked versions - within the same casino). I saw the unlinked 75 cent Rhino over $90 ($40 reset - one higher than the Buffalo) yesterday, but I have no idea what the expected progressive hit frequency is on this and I only ever chase the Buffalo, so someone else picked it off I would assume. If it's not must hit, I am only chasing the lowest, cheapest denom (75 cent, Buffalo) if I am spinning it on my own and not a split (on a split I will still only chase the Buffalo, but possibly at a higher denom) since there is no upper bound on how much money it can take to get picked off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSo it appears the higher bet levels have stronger meters.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI was able to clock someone playing the 75 cent Buffalo denom - 75 cents moves it a penny, for a 1.33% meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
The Rhino meter of the 75 cent progressive also moves a penny when 75 cents is wagered.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI was able to clock someone playing the 75 cent Buffalo denom - 75 cents moves it a penny, for a 1.33% meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI watched someone playing Big5 at $3.75 a spin. This moved the Buffalo meter 9 cents each spin (41.7 cents moves this denoms' Buffalo a penny, so a 2.4% Buffalo $3.75 denom meter). The sample size was around 20 spins, and, given the consistency of the movement, I would say that Big5 has a coin-in meter rather than coin-out meter. The other denominations' Buffalo progressives (as well as the other four animals of the other four progressives) were not visible, so I could not track them. To obtain the other metrics (Drop and other denoms' progressives movements) I will probably have to wait until I see a play (75 cents denom with Buffalo at $43 or higher or 150 cents with a friend or "friend"[random vulture that I might be cursorily acquainted with like the LID or Barney - in all future posts that is what I mean by "friend"] present and the meter at $86 or above) although it certainly would be possible to measure the drop at a particular denom if I am close enough to look at the starting bank roll in the machine, have a large enough sample size (recording the ending bank roll at the last spin of the sample), and, ideally, the person hits a progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Bump.
Time to take a break from the "Drama Network" and go to the "Learning Channel".
I had the unfortunate opportunity to go to AC for two days last week. My ugliest 48 hours ever. Bally's took away four of the DDBAF machines leaving only two in a remote corner. Only real game at Caesars is JOB. The wife decided to go slots. Bad move. I hid and cried at the Diamond Lounge.
Anyhow, I did go to AC with my notes for Harley Davidson and was ready to put my new learned knowledge to use. Alas, at both Caesars and Wild Wild West (next to Bally's) the meters never reached a playable rate. Even my wife was eager to give these machines a crack.
Nevertheless, this is why I sit in the bleachers and view the forum regularly. I am hoping to learn something and put it to use.
Thanks to Monet and MC for periodically putting something on the forum that I can attempt to use.
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Originally Posted by Deech
The 3 HD's you are talking about at Caesars have a few locals who keep an eye on them along with the other exploitable games there. Including a few near the front (Boardwalk) door on the 1st floor. And some of them are real assholes acting like they own the rights to any positive play.
And I'll 2nd the Thank You to Mick and Monet. Sift through all of the garbage on the site and you can find a few gems occasionally.
I posted most of the information I wanted to share in a flood or bulk format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
I don't mind posting or talking about information publicly.
However, not too many want to discuss it.
Someone told me that the Hot Sucker Thread helped them and they printed it out reading it from time to time.
I find that I get slack from both sides when I post up information.
I also find that the information doesn't pertain to too many members and isn't really helping.
My point in posting, wasn't to show someone exactly what and how and when to play.
It was more of a blueprint of how to get started.
The individual could choose to play it straight or crooked.
Do you have a little crossover in your heart? (Golf Reference for Public Courses)
Thanks for the acknowledgement though and I suspect I will post up something again in the future.
The blueprint is basically in that Hot Sucker Thread and not much more is to be said.
It isn't for everyone and I wouldn't suggest to do it full time...
I would say it can help you get a leg up compared to just plopping down.
I did not see anything at Caesars but, at Bally's, I did see a younger guy in a hooded sweatshirt (yeah that would not attract attention) pressing the buttons on three certain machines. When I checked those games out I saw that they were a mermaid type game that has bubbles rising up the screen that act as wild cards. Interesting. He was checking machines to se if anyone left a bubble filled screen (like vultures on Ultimate X).
For the record, I did play these machines evenly but I laughed at how this younger guy had multiple slips to cash in after this non eventful three machine review.
The way the 48 hours went (primarily the wife) I should have just followed this guy looking for scraps.
I like when you talk about the food comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI posted most of the information I wanted to share in a flood or bulk format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
I don't mind posting or talking about information publicly.
However, not too many want to discuss it.
Someone told me that the Hot Sucker Thread helped them and they printed it out reading it from time to time.
I find that I get slack from both sides when I post up information.
I also find that the information doesn't pertain to too many members and isn't really helping.
My point in posting, wasn't to show someone exactly what and how and when to play.
It was more of a blueprint of how to get started.
The individual could choose to play it straight or crooked.
Do you have a little crossover in your heart? (Golf Reference for Public Courses)
Thanks for the acknowledgement though and I suspect I will post up something again in the future.
The blueprint is basically in that Hot Sucker Thread and not much more is to be said.
It isn't for everyone and I wouldn't suggest to do it full time...
I would say it can help you get a leg up compared to just plopping down.
Ocean Magic. There are two important symbols, the bubble/wilds and the yellow ocean magic symbols. When the ocean magic symbol lands on a bubble/wild it turns all adjacent symbols wild. The most important reel is the 3rd column. This is where you want to find a bubble below the line or a wild in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th row. The top row is no good because the wilds move upwards as you make the spin. The top row bubble will rotate off the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
When vulturing you can find wilds in any of the five columns. But like I said, the 3rd column is the powerhouse. There are more ocean magic symbols in the 3rd column than any other reel so you have a very good chance of connecting. The return to player is in the hundreds of percent.
The 1st column has the 2nd most ocean magic symbols but its much harder to connect on it and you will wind up with only two wild rows when you do connect. I showed only an 80% return on the 1st column so quit playing it.
With the 2nd column you will wind up with three wild rows when you connect but this column is the hardest of all to connect with the ocean magic symbols. The ocean magic symbol only comes out in a block of one whereas the 1st and 3rd rows they can come out in blocks of 2,3,4. I didn't show a profit on this row either so quit playing it.
Forget the wilds in the 4th and 5th columns. They are very low return and its irritating as hell when you do connect but nothing lines up with it in the first three columns.
In the video stop it at 0:26. You can see the yellow bubble below the line in the 1st column. When vulturing you want to look for this. And at 1:56 you can see what sometimes happens when you are vulturing the game. A whole bunch of bubbles can come out. I love it when that happens.
Also, you would much rather find a play in non-bubble boost. The bubble boost function adds a lot more bubbles but the line pays are discounted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxjUUvk3L0
PS: I'll play the 1st or 2nd columns if there is something in the 4th column.
My local has 3 Harleys, and thanks to this thread I always give them a quick look, but have never found anything worth spinning off. But, since all the meters are visible it is worth a look.
Thanks guys, maybe one of these days.
Ocean Magic is the game I was talking about on the 1st floor by the boardwalk. There are a pair of creators (Male & Female) who are always there trying to scam older people to set the game up for themselves. They look like tweakers and I personally have seen them on 3 trips so they must be locals and are getting people to fall for it. Obviously Caesars doesn’t seem to care.
That shame. There plenty ignorant gamblers win after. No need interfere.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
They are probably steering them off the machine when the bubble appears below the line in the 3rd column.Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesdayThat shame. There plenty ignorant gamblers win after. No need interfere.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Slotlady gets lucky on a harley. Hits the mega in just a few spins. Winds up with a handpay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOyfv8GpBOg
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Thanks for the info on the Harleys, I’ve done pretty good using the guidelines listed.
Has anyone made progress on thresholds for Big 5 Safari? There is another machine that I’m assuming plays the exact same called Pyramid Progressive. So far the 8 of the possible 25 resets I’ve observed are the same. I’m assuming the others are as well and the games will have the same strategy.
Looking for opinions on how much coin in would be a good enough amount for a reasonable sample size to determine if a play is +ev?
Say the machine has several denom’s with an avg spin of $1.25. So 125k coin in would be around 100k spins.
The machine has no jp’s only bonus’.
How would you control for the amount of bonus’ skewing the results?
Over on WoV the Wizard has started a thread on the Harley-Davidson slots. He has an interesting formula that is a little different than mine. He put up an example of mini23/maxi30/mega97 and put that configuration at 105.38%. My formula puts it at 105.6% so we are very close.
I've switched to using the Wizard's formula for ease of use.
One of the local machine AP's recently hit the $10k on the wheel spin feature.
Happens, but so does Megabucks. Not really relevant to the conversation here unless they found a 0.0001 edge knowing it happens every 10 million spins.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
But neither is the majority on content on here. So no foul on your end.
Sure he "lucked up on" the jackpot on the wheel. But rest assured, the free games numbers were quite positve too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozHappens, but so does Megabucks. Not really relevant to the conversation here unless they found a 0.0001 edge knowing it happens every 10 million spins.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
But neither is the majority on content on here. So no foul on your end.
Anything else to bitch about today?
I would imagine slot aps would come out ahead on just the regular game itself sometimes due to natural variance which would just be icing on the cake.
Can someone please help me to figure out how to convert your ev into a dollar amount. Say for this example it was a .80 denom play. What would a 5.38% edge equate to for your avg win?
Well given your numbers it would be 1.0538 X .80. You have a 5% edge on your bet of $.80.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardShelby
A win is poorly defined. For a Harley it depends on what series of free spins you're aiming for and what they're set at. Maybe you want to know the average EV of a single free game spin or some such? A win can literally be anything. If you want to measure expectation, then you need some sort of discrete event. A "win" doesn't really define anything in terms of math.
TBH the wins on this stuff are fairly small. I spent a lot time in Vegas last month and and had a pretty knowledgable slot hustler walk me around a few casinos and I feel I'm hip to most plays these days. I never scored over $100.. Maybe hit $120 one time or so. I likely also lost large amounts. Average win is probably like $20ish. It is fun and if that is your income stream then gl, but I would never look to making this into serious income. Everyone has a different thing going on in life though, so who knows.
By avg win I'm referring to our expectation. Here's an example from earlier of a 21/27/41. Lets say we are just playing till we hit the mini. What will our avg profit be on this play at .80 denom and how do we calculate that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
An individual play is defined as playing until you hit either the mini, maxi or mega. Once you hit one of those the play is over and you reevaluate to see if there is another play to continue on. One can calculate what the play is worth by knowing the bet level, the edge and the average number of spins.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardShelbyBy avg win I'm referring to our expectation. Here's an example from earlier of a 21/27/41. Lets say we are just playing till we hit the mini. What will our avg profit be on this play at .80 denom and how do we calculate that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mega freq. is 2553, maxi 675, mini 220. That will average to 156 spins per play. With a 9.498% edge the average yield on the 80 level is $11.53.
156 X 9.498% X .80 = 11.53
On the 400 level its $59.27.
Thanks a lot Mickey, that's exactly what I was looking for.
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Originally Posted by accountinquestionWell given your numbers it would be 1.0538 X .80. You have a 5% edge on your bet of $.80.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardShelby
A win is poorly defined. For a Harley it depends on what series of free spins you're aiming for and what they're set at. Maybe you want to know the average EV of a single free game spin or some such? A win can literally be anything. If you want to measure expectation, then you need some sort of discrete event. A "win" doesn't really define anything in terms of math.
TBH the wins on this stuff are fairly small. I spent a lot time in Vegas last month and and had a pretty knowledgable slot hustler walk me around a few casinos and I feel I'm hip to most plays these days. I never scored over $100.. Maybe hit $120 one time or so. I likely also lost large amounts. Average win is probably like $20ish. It is fun and if that is your income stream then gl, but I would never look to making this into serious income. Everyone has a different thing going on in life though, so who knows.
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