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You are absolutely correct that the best you can do in Vegas is .1 % from mailers. I'm going on the record that this information from Alan is positively the truth and the best information given on these forums. So, now that everyone knows this I expect to not see any of you playing machines in town. I'd appreciate it if all of you stop trying to play machines for mail and do something else with your time. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
man I would tell you but everyone here is so hostile so never mind
So Alan is saying that the best you can do at Red Rock and other Casinos in Vegas is .1% of total play. I know this will fall on deaf ears and nobody cares but I don't like misinformation like that. I will show you all some current pictures of mailers I have for April. I have so many that I just don't want to have to take all the pictures and crop them and load them up. I took 8 pictures of mailers. Some are at 1200/900/520/300/75 so if I can only obtain .1% monthly I would have to put millions in action. This is not the truth. Some of these places I need to put around 50k to 100k per month per card. I have shared enough to get anyone started that wanted to play. The truth is that this .1% at Red Rock is just wrong.
I played some dice with another player to see what we would get in the mail as I told that story already. Currently for the Month of April we both got 250 in free bets and our coin in at the pit wasn't very much. We certainly got back more than .1%. As a matter of fact I played more but the other guy only played 20 mins with very little play and a 500 dollar buy in. The truth is that the Palms and the Stations do not drop your mail instantly if you keep your play up somewhat. The play falls off gradually for a few months before it falls right off the cliff. Anyways... whatever here are some pictures of what I am talking about.
Two Red Rock or Stations monthly mailer for free pit bets...
Here are two current mailers from Boyd... Sams Town play and Fremont for me...
So here are three Palms Mailers... 1200/520/520 but the Food Comp is slightly different with the 520s...
Next up a Stations Mailer... Recently I found the max mailer to be at 1250 but after 2 months of not giving much play they dropped me to 900...
Last up a Fiesta Henderson Mailer... 900 with basically the same fall off as Stations.
Look... I am not going to be posting here too much anymore but I hate the APs who preach honest morality in gambling and I hate when players post up misinformation about current conditions in Vegas when it comes to mailers and gambling in general. Alan wrote an article years ago that told everyone that 100% VP machines are not really 100% payback because tourists do not have enough time to cycle all the payout lines. It was a pretty ridiculous article inside a gaming magazine basically misleading the public. Whatever... It doesn't matter but don't tell me that you can only obtain a .1% advantage MAXIMUM through mailers currently in Las Vegas... that isn't true. The truth is that the mailers are the worst they have ever been for the most part but you still can find high percentage Free Play of mailers... well over .1%
Maybe mr alan gets 0.1% bc he play not smart. Let’s keep it simple ton. Say Alan is right 75 max per week table game bet no matter how big/long he plays. Then you don’t keep playing for 8 hours if you only needs
2 for $75. Yous go play somewhere else for those 6 hours and get more free bet monies, or do your laundry or something else mebbe.
The fact is the maximum table games free play is $75 per week at Red Rock. If monet is also getting something like $900 or $1200 in slot/VP play we must ask how much is he playing? But getting back to my original question: monet IF YOU STOPPED playing with your own money WHEN would these free play offers stop?
That's my question. That you play a lot and get big free play for slots is not an issue.
By the way monet I find it curious you're only getting $50 each week for table play. Obviously you're a slot player.
I am just done with you and basically done with this forum. I have over 400 posts sharing my life and how I play and what I do in Las Vegas. I let you go when I was asking you questions about coin flips and you just kept replying with ridiculous replies. It is obvious that you and Rob do not care about how people play in Las Vegas and what they do to get advantages or how it works. I am not sure what your agenda or objective is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Mine was always to shoot people straight on these forums because I thought these forums had an honest desire to learn about how gambling works in Las Vegas and what APs really do. I have never hidden the fact that it is a dirty world and that I do shady things to obtain advantages. I tried to keep things as real as possible on the forums but as MaxPen told me... almost everyone basically is just spitting in my face. So the jokes on me and I do seem to have egg on my face which is fine. I thought I could help in some small way with my experiences in Las Vegas for over 20 years but it is clear that I haven't helped anyone and I am just a big joke. You guys can have it... I am done trying share with these forums. I have said many times that I don't know everything but I thought I had some information to share that would be useful but it is clear that I do not. I never tried to sell anyone anything or charge anyone for the information. I kept things honest about how APs get into all sorts of vices and many of them are broke playing for the next play. I also shared that some APs have figured out ways to make a ton of money with little heat. It is obvious that I am not helping and am being trolled in some strange manner and I get it but I am just done with it.
I do know some players on these boards understand the information that I have shared and some of them appreciate what I have posted. However, the truth is that the APs on these boards have told me I am just wasting my time and I should use my time to just make more money in the Casino or spend it away from the computer and these forums. I have to agree that they are right about the advice they gave me long ago.
Monet you can't give a straight answer to a simple question? Once again:
IF YOU STOPPED USING YOUR OWN MONEY WHEN WOULD THESE FREE PLAY OFFERS STOP?
Alan, here is your first problem. You are very bad at math mr. college graduate. $75 is 1.25% of $6000, not half a percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Here is your second problem. You don't have the correct understanding of what generates freeplay and comp. It is not based on the amount you buy-in for. It is based on the amount of wager you generate. I'm not familiar with how they do craps but it has to be something like this:
Average bet X bets per hour X hours played. This gives them a theoretical on how much you are worth based on their edge against you, your average bet, bets per hour, and number of hours you typically play.
They are willing to award you a fraction of your total wager in freeplay and comp. From what I've read it's about 20% of their theoretical against you (this is pit specific) but it most likely varies from casino to casino.
I'm not jumping on you about this but you are a B celebrity and your reporting to the general public that it is .1%, based on your faulty math and incorrect understanding of what generates freeplay and comp is not really doing a good service to the general public.
Did you ever notice that the Wizard, once he analyzes a new game and puts it up on WOO he immediately goes to WoV and asks the members to read it and report to him about any mistakes he may have made? And he is a degree'd mathematician. David Sklansky is also a degree'd mathematician but he has other degree'd mathematicians proof read his work for mistakes before he publishes.
I don’t get a couple of things. Let’s say you earned 6 / 7 hundred dollars of free play per week for a month chopped up between four or five different casino groups, along with a burger and coke for each couple of day or week period.
How much coin did you have to put in to get that?
Do these free play tickets cover your loses while earning them in the first place?
Don’t you have to play through each free play once before it becomes your cash to take home?
I don’t see any free play exceeding $100.00 and most are for $50.00 per casino per group date. Let’s say each time you try to play through the one time amount you don’t win anything. How much of your own money do you have to put in to earn those free play tickets again?
Like that ass-hole Max-Pen said you showed us how to earn 40 or 50 K a year in free play. Yes, you sure did. You didn’t show us how much it cost in loses to earn that.
Where I really get stomped is when you tell me the casinos are giving you 50K in free play per year with food, cruises, a warm place to sleep, enough gifts it sounds like where you could open your own thrift shop instead of handing them out for free, and you could earn six figure annual profits from winnings.
Did you notice it didn't do him any good? He went broke and had to beg his forum members for donations.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Larry, monet does in my opinion offer up a few interesting points about gambling. But if it's not about locals or himself then he has very LITTLE to offer. And he just never seems to want to answer that one simple question Alan keeps asking about free play, opting instead to claim he's tapped out of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
What if he really is committing fraud? I lean very heavily towards him being just another AP who dishes out their sh** in different ways. He added a few zeroes to the BS to make it more intense and interesting, that's all. I believe he does understand his stuff. He just has a hard time relating without adding in a myriad of personal eye openers. I see it as just another way these AP's choose to distribute their BS as their quest for relevance from mostly anonymous posters goes on.
Knowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.
If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.
He wasn't broke. He was living large, probably to large when he got taken off by banks in Cypress. His main fault is he admittedly is not that good of a businessman. He owned an expensive home and had kids in private school. The one thing that was an easy read on him was he spent so much time analyzing and putting up games on his site that he couldn't have had much time to do anything else. I think he's a great sports bettor but I also think he played edges that were way to thin at video poker. Anyways, he cashed for 2.4 Million. That's a pretty good payday and I'm sure he doesn't work for cheap at LCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeDid you notice it didn't do him any good? He went broke and had to beg his forum members for donations.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
These items are completely misleading, and a truthful answer to blackhole's question wouldn't have hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
As a non-local who is ahead of Stations this and last year, my free play and hotel offers stopped as soon as I got ahead. We like staying at GVR & RR so now, even with a President's card, I have to pay. I COULD probably call a host and beg for a free room, but I never talk to hosts. I'd prefer to win the cash by setting my trip win goal a little higher that covers the room and that's exactly what I do.
So for monet to be receiving the 3 & 4-figure free play offers, he's losing. And I'm not believing for a second that such a heavy gambler has the discipline to ever walk into a casino to play his free play thru once and leave. He does exactly what the casino reels him in to do--put the free play ticket in, lose it, the start feeding in the cash.
Why did you have to break it down for him like that? You forgot to factor in point days or just that you always play on a .3 cashback card. Anyways I never understood why you gave him such a hard time. Many of these members are in serious war with other members getting vulgar with one another. I try to stay out of that as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKnowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.
If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.
He also thinks you only get a free burger and coke. That's not the case. I can literally eat in the Steak House every night of my choice in the Casinos I play at. He also thinks you have to lose to earn these mailers which is also false.
Anyways I'm tired of trying to teach or help. I typed out so much information in my posts here and at WoV it is just too simple to understand. Although I kinda understand not getting it because when people were teaching me cherry pies, diamond mines and boom machines I didn't get it right away either. When they showed me 101% video poker games and strategy I didn't get it either. I finally got it when the money started rolling in on point days and promotions and the cards back then were .6 off the jump. I really understood it when free play offers rolled in and hosts gave me large comps for little play back then. The list goes on and on. It's not as easy these days but it still is viable. The Problem is believing in it. Sometimes people just never will accept you can beat machines.
Argentino is a super sleuth and he caught me lying too. It's time to fess up. Like monet I use the computers at the libraries to make posts. I've been lying the whole time about being a successful gambler. Everything I said I know about machines I learned on the forums. I've never been in a casino. And I never quit drinking. Damn, what a hangover. I was drinking ripple in the alleyway last night. Got the money for the wine working a sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I hitchhike and ride the rails around the country, staying at missions, eating in the soup kitchens, and working a sign. One of my signs said "VETERAN-ANYTHING HELPS." A cop accused me of using stolen valor. I told him I wasn't talking about being in the military I was talking about being a veteran hobo. He didn't buy it and told me I had to change the sign. So now my sign says 'WHY LIE-I NEED A BEER.
After eating at the Sally yesterday I went by the office and got a voucher for a change of clothes in the thrift shop. I take a shower about once a week at the Mission. I hate the Mission. You have to take an ear banging (listen to the preacher) before they'll feed ya.
But things are looking up. I've found a new vocation. Dumpster diving for aluminum cans. I'm getting 55 cents a pound. Hey, that's almost 2 cents a can. I'm trying to stay out of the Missions. It stinks. To many smelly feet. I bought a $2 sleeping bag at the Sally Thrift Store with my can money. I boosted a can of scotchguard out of Walmart and sprayed the bag down to keep the rain out.
I'm glad I got all that off my chest. It was really getting to be a drag living a lie like that. So, Rob, you can tell your son-in-law at the IRS it's a false alarm. I was lying the whole time. I have to go pick up my food stamps now. But I'll be back to the library later today. It's not a bad place for a homeless person to hang out. I'll have to wait my turn on the computer to make another post.
Okay, let’s assume comps, free play, etc. is doable playing on point days or whatever.
How does that compute to six-digit profits in a year?
Like I said before this is a nice resume for one year’s work. I didn’t even look for more.
"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."
How did you do all this?
Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
At least you're honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Okay, I'm back from picking up my food stamps and a computer was open at the library.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetWhy did you have to break it down for him like that? You forgot to factor in point days or just that you always play on a .3 cashback card. Anyways I never understood why you gave him such a hard time. Many of these members are in serious war with other members getting vulgar with one another. I try to stay out of that as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmKnowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.
If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.
He also thinks you only get a free burger and coke. That's not the case. I can literally eat in the Steak House every night of my choice in the Casinos I play at. He also thinks you have to lose to earn these mailers which is also false.
Anyways I'm tired of trying to teach or help. I typed out so much information in my posts here and at WoV it is just too simple to understand. Although I kinda understand not getting it because when people were teaching me cherry pies, diamond mines and boom machines I didn't get it right away either. When they showed me 101% video poker games and strategy I didn't get it either. I finally got it when the money started rolling in on point days and promotions and the cards back then were .6 off the jump. I really understood it when free play offers rolled in and hosts gave me large comps for little play back then. The list goes on and on. It's not as easy these days but it still is viable. The Problem is believing in it. Sometimes people just never will accept you can beat machines.
I didn't forget the card, just didn't put it in. It's to much information for them all at once. They are never going to do anything with the information anyway. I've been around here a lot longer than you. Mendelson is a troll. He's just more polite than Argentino. I'm surprised he hasn't hammered you like he has hammered me in the past. He has literally called every bit of advice I've given bullshit. But he's polite when he does it. You can see by his equating buy-in money to freeplay and comp that he's off kilter. The one thing he does well is come up with a lot of questions. Just expect to be very politely told that your answers are bullshit. At least that is what he has done to me.
And BH has to throw in that burger and coke bullshit to get a dig in. That's why these assholes don't deserve to be told anything. But like I said they ain't ever going to do anything with the information anyway.
This seems to be the actual casino happenings. I had a winning day and when I went to one of their kiosks before heading home, I got a free drawing offer and "THERE ARE NO OFFERS AT THIS TIME." on the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThese items are completely misleading, and a truthful answer to blackhole's question wouldn't have hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
As a non-local who is ahead of Stations this and last year, my free play and hotel offers stopped as soon as I got ahead. We like staying at GVR & RR so now, even with a President's card, I have to pay. I COULD probably call a host and beg for a free room, but I never talk to hosts. I'd prefer to win the cash by setting my trip win goal a little higher that covers the room and that's exactly what I do.
So for monet to be receiving the 3 & 4-figure free play offers, he's losing. And I'm not believing for a second that such a heavy gambler has the discipline to ever walk into a casino to play his free play thru once and leave. He does exactly what the casino reels him in to do--put the free play ticket in, lose it, the start feeding in the cash.
Monthly in my experience is less relevant than coin in per visit. The value of getting you to come is based on how much you play when you show up. Play a lot each time you go and your offers will reflect that by being higher, and the converse is true for low play. You can go once typically and play a lot and then receive offers for every week or twice a week that are based on just that one visit. Free play wise in my experience in a number of different areas I've been to in my travels is all about getting you in the door and the potential value of that visit to them. It depends on the place whether how much you won on that visit impacts your offers - some don't care and just look at coin-in, others care and will offer you more as an inducement to get you in to lose what you won, some figure you will come back anyway because you're so lucky and you have money so their offers are minimal or non-existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Every casino is different but there's a period of time each one considers when making offers. You can get a feel for this by looking at your historical offers and seeing when they've changed vs. how you played. Often you can find this out from a host or the casino if you get to chatting. Like one local I go to I know they use 3 months of play and there's 2 months lag, so if I play a lot this month (April) I won't start seeing better offers until July, but the best offers won't come until August.
In my experience it usually takes 2 months at least for the offers to go down or disappear once you start just going, playing the free play through once and leaving with the cash, and going in to pick up offered items like gift cards without playing. Sometimes you can get longer - it depends on how competitive the local market is. In one local market that had a number of casinos, there was one I played at some but didn't like so just went in to work off my FP offers until they went down to the amount it wasn't worth pursuing and quit going. Instead of sending me more FP to come back, they started sending me weekly gift card offers. I went there for a couple months at least 3 times a month, picked up the gift card and left with no play until those offers disappeared.
50K a year in free play.
Free RFB, gifts, trips, entertainment, etc. all year.
Mid to high six figure profits from winnings per year.
Where do I sign up? I'll be in Nevada next month for at least 4 weeks. Maybe, I'll just stay there for all that free action and never come back to the east coast.
In fact I could bring in the whole family doing the same thing times 50, and before you know it, we should own one of those damn Casinos.
That's not true; he's dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAt least you're honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I doubt you could own a cardboard box condo with that education of yours...and family?... quit lyingQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Nothing ... absolutely zero, nada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
And as you can see, monet, buttnosehole is shitting all over your answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
How much does someone making $100 an hour make in a year, buttnosehole?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."
Mickey, Isn't this level of play way out of your league? Funny how you want to defend these claims all while at the same time playing for 2-bits in Montana. Don't you want to own a casino too?
I mentioned this exact scenario the other day, you and Ibeatyouraces convincing Alan( beating a dead horse ) how AP works, for months on end...personally things are a lot more entertaining now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__+1Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
At least in the days of old, the thread would go like this:
Alan: “How do u AP?”
AP: “You gotta play, wait, then pick up mail. Some places are far out of the way and/or you gotta go several times a week.”
Alan: “But I can’t go several times a week. I have a job. And I’m not willing to drive out for $X in free play.”
AP: “Okay, so is that a you problem or a me problem?”
Alan: “But the information you provided doesn’t help me because I’m not willing to do that! Plus, even if you have $100 in FP, you may end up with $80 in cash...or $150, or $50, or $500, or $0! Free play has no value!!!!!”
These threads never end well because the people (typically) asking for help or advice aren’t willing to do those things. Because they aren’t willing to do those things, they think it’s all hocus pocus. 樂
Bottom line. Monet showed them how to fish, and dey said “why aren’t them mushed peas, carrots and bananas being fed to me, fishing too hard”
Nope, not out of my league. I might be the only AP that knows how to make 10K a month without taking W2-G's, buttnosehole.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole"I throw money away like water. Yesterday I had panhandlers asking for money so I started throwing 20s all over the sidewalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
One property alone on just my card I have 5 mil in coin.
I figure I should be able to collect 40k in FP
averaging 150k+ per property per month
I hit over 750k in Jackpots.
I paid off 2 2014 vehicles
paid off the house, gave my wife over 50k in cash to hide... etc."
Mickey, Isn't this level of play way out of your league? Funny how you want to defend these claims all while at the same time playing for 2-bits in Montana. Don't you want to own a casino too?
That's funny mickey. But you forgot to add: "I also might not be the only AP living in my car" ROTFLMFAO!!
I always enjoy Monet’s posts. Though I don’t live in Vegas (I’m closer to Reno) he has given me things to consider, such as, machines to play — I only play VP and never used to even consider reels. Or playing at non CET properties when in Vegas instead of the usual CP, Paris, Planet Ho strip casinos where we would be comped. Nothing earth shattering but good info.
So I for one, selfishly, don’t want to see Monet stop posting. The tax stuff is none of my business.
You're wrong, Rob. I haven't owned a car in 30 years. I told you its all been a big lie. I sleep in the weeds in my sleeping bag. Be sure to tell your son-in-law at the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
That tax info: you're correct--it shouldn't be of any importance, except if it's part of a larger claim that can't be verified and he's anonymous. So we take that information and see if any of it passes the sniff test, which it most certainly doesn't. Then we use those results to try to make heads or tails out of his gambling prowess claims. Sorry to say Danny, but this guy's stories have more red flags than a whorehouse next door to a Chinese casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
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Originally Posted by MaxPen
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Originally Posted by jbjb
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Originally Posted by RS__
It’s amazing when Monet gave away homeless free play AP maneuvers, how all the AP’s were down on him for giving away trade secrets. PM’ing him begging him to shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJatc
MaxPen tried to even say Monet told us how to earn 40 / 50 thousand dollars a year in free play than we spit in his face. That information reads like a road map through the Vegas streets for compulsive gambling. The fact that MaxPen is buying into that bullshit, should confirm to everyone the level of AP he really is.
Notice once we asked for any type of information to explain how and what really matters which is the high 6 figure annual wins you could sprinkle on the streets to the homeless and stuff in your mattress ………... Crickets.
Suddenly, Monet wants to run for the hills, (read below) and the cameo appearances from the other bullshitting AP’s above telling Monet how they tried to warn him. These one-line comments by these other alleged AP’s want to lie right in front of our faces about what we’ve been reading all along and claim we’re the fucked-up ones.
I pretty much let Monet carry on without being challenged since he was exposing the hustling AP’s for what they really are. But, once I realized after that compulsive gambling free play road map was laid out, he had nothing but bullshit.
As soon as he got called out on just some of his personal AP claims, he jumped back on the AP wagon now excepting their view that anyone not drinking the cool-aid spiked with AP bullshit, are the idiots.
Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I'm so done with it.
I was wrong... you were right. (agreeing with other AP's that they warned him)
You guys finally caught me.
Watching this collection of WoV libtard losers get exposed and crucified is nearly as much fun as watching the clowns on CNN, ABC, & MSNBC sit in stunned silence weeping, as they had to endure the truth of the election.
I rather enjoyed MSNBC last night: lot of new shit on Trump.
LOL: his lawyer secretly taped many conversations, and now the FBI may have them: love it.
I take it you don’t support the attorney-client privilege when it relates to Trump? I mean as far as I know this has never happened to another president. Strange times we live in. Russia collusion is way in the rear view mirror now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It's been exactly the same thing since Trump announced he was running. The Republicans tried to skewer him and failed. Obama and Hillary tried to skewer him and failed (that was LOTS of fun!), the media has been against him and he ALWAYS gets the last word, the big mouth Dems jeep trying to get him impeached and keep on failing, and the greatest media moments are when dike Rachel Maddow thought she had him by the balls on her claim that he didn't make much and didn't pay any taxes when she announced she got one of his tax filings....then she was stupid enuf to show it on her show which proved all her assertions were false!
It's quite the show, watching this great President win and make everyone eat their sour grapes, week after week. In fact, I love waking up each day to see who he's shredding to pieces with his tweets!
buttnosehole, words cannot describe how stupid you, Argentino and V are. What did you guys expect the guy to say or do after he got grilled about the IRS, asked for his SS number, and found out Argentino had a contact in the IRS. V, the lawyer, was probably looking to make a buck. Argentino has to stick to his narrative that all AP's are broke frauds since he's been screaming it for 15 years. But you, buttnosehole, are just a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
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Originally Posted by RS__
It’s amazing when Monet gave away homeless free play AP maneuvers, how all the AP’s were down on him for giving away trade secrets. PM’ing him begging him to shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJatc
MaxPen tried to even say Monet told us how to earn 40 / 50 thousand dollars a year in free play than we spit in his face. That information reads like a road map through the Vegas streets for compulsive gambling. The fact that MaxPen is buying into that bullshit, should confirm to everyone the level of AP he really is.
Notice once we asked for any type of information to explain how and what really matters which is the high 6 figure annual wins you could sprinkle on the streets to the homeless and stuff in your mattress ………... Crickets.
Suddenly, Monet wants to run for the hills, (read below) and the cameo appearances from the other bullshitting AP’s above telling Monet how they tried to warn him. These one-line comments by these other alleged AP’s want to lie right in front of our faces about what we’ve been reading all along and claim we’re the fucked-up ones.
I pretty much let Monet carry on without being challenged since he was exposing the hustling AP’s for what they really are. But, once I realized after that compulsive gambling free play road map was laid out, he had nothing but bullshit.
As soon as he got called out on just some of his personal AP claims, he jumped back on the AP wagon now excepting their view that anyone not drinking the cool-aid spiked with AP bullshit, are the idiots.
Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I'm so done with it.
I was wrong... you were right. (agreeing with other AP's that they warned him)
You guys finally caught me.
Monet layed out one hell of a roadmap to AP play in Las Vegas. But the Confederacy of Dunces prove their duncehood once again. You guys so want to believe that AP is bullshit that you will jump on anything you think will prove it, even statements that were obviously made because of fear of the IRS. Read my lips..,,BROKE PEOPLE DON'T FEAR THE IRS. ONLY PEOPLE WITH MONEY THE IRS CAN PILFER FEAR THE IRS. You guys are just dumb and dumber.
STUPID x 29 = THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Calm down, Mickey: take a chill pill.
Where do you come off thinking I am anti-AP?
I'm not; I appreciate reading the accounts from AP's, especially regarding slots (I don't play VP or blackjack).
My beef was with Monet's veracity; when you catch someone in one lie, the rest of their claims become suspect.
I always figured the guy to be a bullshitter, and it looks like I was right: a bullshitter with some factual info to impart along with bovine excrement.
Is what it is.
First of all, you really don’t believe Rob would even try to turn anyone into the IRS. You just want others to believe he would to prevent you from ever showing any W2's even redacted. Oh, never mind, I forgot you said your the only AP that could win 10K per month without ever having to sign one.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It wouldn’t matter if he knew Lois Lerner. Thinking any person at the IRS would be concerned about anonymous people, making anonymous posts, making stupid claims, on stupid gambling forums, is the most ridicules shit even an AP could come up with.
If any IRS agent went to their boss and said I got a guy named Monet on a gambling forum claiming to throw away a million dollars in W2’s, he could get demoted or fired for being an idiot.
Rob consulted with his brother in-law about some facts. Which I believe pretty much closes the case about those ridicules claims being made by Monet. There’s a better chance to get caught than not without knowing anything from anybody, especially over a 20 year period.
Your quoted post above actually demonstrates how fucking stupid you are and how little you actually know about the IRS.
Why we don’t read about any IRS issues with AP’s on these forums is because none exist.
Like I said before in another post. First prove because of your AP income you even need to have concerns about IRS issues.
Why should they have issues? File your taxes like any other normal person does.
mickey is just feeling the heat. He's so worked up he can't even understand that when an online BSer like monet gets tripped up with his own lies, he simultaneously destroys all of his claims about everything. mickey doesn't like that he did that at all, but dems da breaks kid.
Then mickey completely buries himself by saying "BROKE PEOPLE DON'T FEAR THE IRS; ONLY PEOPLE WITH MONEY DO".
Well mickey (or should we address you as "genius"? :) ). YOU continuously say you don't give a hoot about what the IRS thinks they can do to you, and the brilliant "monet" said the exact same telling thing.
Where does that leave crazy mixed-up screwball, mickeycrimm.....
Psst....I'll give you a few moments to catch your breath.
I always file.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Monet didn't.
Ergo by your definition he is not a normal person.
Thanks.
jbjb has never been known for his comprehension.
Have you been reading fellow AP Monet's posts, or just jumping in with another one line wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Yeah I read them. He's been fucking with you guys. Are you all that dense?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeHave you been reading fellow AP Monet's posts, or just jumping in with another one line wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
He's just an admitted, proven liar.
Next.
Are you serious with this last resort comment that he was fucking with us? Of course we're not that dense. That's why we nailed him and all you other alleged AP's to the cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbYeah I read them. He's been fucking with you guys. Are you all that dense?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeHave you been reading fellow AP Monet's posts, or just jumping in with another one line wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
You guy's have been reduced to one line wonder comments.
You all have absolutely nothing.
Mr V... I might have missed it but what exactly is the proven lie that makes everything suspect?
The way I read this thread, Monet got tired of arguing and started to get sarcastic. I can't blame him... Tough crowd on this board.
Buttnosehole, your post here really proves just how stupid you are. So you don't think Argentino would turn someone into the IRS? Look, moron, long before you were around, on another forum, FREEvpFREE, Argentino made a statement about me that only the IRS and I would know. Not possible for anyone else to know it. Where do you think Argentino the Snitch got that information. From his fucking IRS son-in-law, assclown. His IRS son-in-law broke the law when he delivered that information to Argentino the Snitch. Now go stick your nose back in the snitches ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeFirst of all, you really don’t believe Rob would even try to turn anyone into the IRS. You just want others to believe he would to prevent you from ever showing any W2's even redacted. Oh, never mind, I forgot you said your the only AP that could win 10K per month without ever having to sign one.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It wouldn’t matter if he knew Lois Lerner. Thinking any person at the IRS would be concerned about anonymous people, making anonymous posts, making stupid claims, on stupid gambling forums, is the most ridicules shit even an AP could come up with.
If any IRS agent went to their boss and said I got a guy named Monet on a gambling forum claiming to throw away a million dollars in W2’s, he could get demoted or fired for being an idiot.
Rob consulted with his brother in-law about some facts. Which I believe pretty much closes the case about those ridicules claims being made by Monet. There’s a better chance to get caught than not without knowing anything from anybody, especially over a 20 year period.
Your quoted post above actually demonstrates how fucking stupid you are and how little you actually know about the IRS.
Why we don’t read about any IRS issues with AP’s on these forums is because none exist.
Like I said before in another post. First prove because of your AP income you even need to have concerns about IRS issues.
Send me your social security number. I want to check it with the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Send me your social security number. I want to check it with the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Send me your social security number. I want to check it with the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAre you serious with this last resort comment that he was fucking with us? Of course we're not that dense. That's why we nailed him and all you other alleged AP's to the cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbYeah I read them. He's been fucking with you guys. Are you all that dense?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
You guy's have been reduced to one line wonder comments.
You all have absolutely nothing.
That is a very stupid request, as unlike Monet I have never posted anything on this board which would warrant your silly request.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You're just acting petulant now that Monet has been exposed as a lying fraud.
Explain to me the lies he told. All of them. I want to see where you are at on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVThat is a very stupid request, as unlike Monet I have never posted anything on this board which would warrant your silly request.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You're just acting petulant now that Monet has been exposed as a lying fraud.
So you think you have the right to ask someone that but I don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I laid it out earlier; i won't bother to do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But what was he lying about?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
1. Was he lying when he first said he got that many W2-G's in a year?
2. Or was he lying when he later claimed he was lying when he said he got that many W2-G's?
He could not have lied in both statements. Which statement do you clowns believe and why do you believe it?
What post number?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI laid it out earlier; i won't bother to do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
nickel, dime, quarter marty's on video poker don't generate comp.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshotThis seems to be the actual casino happenings. I had a winning day and when I went to one of their kiosks before heading home, I got a free drawing offer and "THERE ARE NO OFFERS AT THIS TIME." on the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThese items are completely misleading, and a truthful answer to blackhole's question wouldn't have hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
As a non-local who is ahead of Stations this and last year, my free play and hotel offers stopped as soon as I got ahead. We like staying at GVR & RR so now, even with a President's card, I have to pay. I COULD probably call a host and beg for a free room, but I never talk to hosts. I'd prefer to win the cash by setting my trip win goal a little higher that covers the room and that's exactly what I do.
So for monet to be receiving the 3 & 4-figure free play offers, he's losing. And I'm not believing for a second that such a heavy gambler has the discipline to ever walk into a casino to play his free play thru once and leave. He does exactly what the casino reels him in to do--put the free play ticket in, lose it, the start feeding in the cash.
What lie did you catch him in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
What lie did you catch him in? And I went over all your posts in this thread. You don't say anything about a specific lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I did the same thing Mickey. I'm not clear either. Hopefully V will clarify.
He won’t...don’t you guys know by now he gets off on this stuff...the more people argue, the more he whacks his little pud in front of his computer...old newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
He should try that but with porn. It works better.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneHe won’t...don’t you guys know by know he gets off on this stuff...the more people argue, the more he whacks his little pud in front of his computer...old newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
Not for himQuote:
Originally Posted by ProzemaHe should try that but with porn. It works better.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneHe won’t...don’t you guys know by know he gets off on this stuff...the more people argue, the more he whacks his little pud in front of his computer...old newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
Ok then... I'll try asking a related gambling question and see how long it takes to get back to arguing.
Let's say a particular casino is known for giving more free play to people who have not only put a good amount of coin in, but also have taken a significant loss. Naturally, I don't want to lose to get free play. What tactics might you use to win, but have the casino believe you lost.
You can rat-hole on a busy craps table.
Of course there may be other things you can do depending on how everything is setup, but some things shouldn't be said publicly.
If the FP amount is significant enough, you could treat it like a (partial) loss rebate and just play a high denom and/or high variance game. Either hit something big....or take a loss and get some/most of the losses back.
They say they caught him lying but they can't name the lie. Looks like all the Inspector Cluseau's ran for the hills.
You might not be able to do it on video poker anymore but you can bury up win on some of the vulturable games. Like on Aladdin's when a column goes wild. You show a pretty steady loss until a column goes wild. You can pull the card, cash out, then reinsert a ticket and take the next 3 spins without the card in. The Aladdin's pay off when the columns are wild so you bury up that win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prozema
You can do the same thing on other vulturable games but I probably shouldn't publicly name those games at this time. Another benefit of mixing in the vulturable games with your video poker play is you are showing action on 90% games.