monet has let the building?

I thought I answered this before, but here is the urban dictionary of Regnis.

Top definition

regnis
A small young man who has few friends and sleeps in the nude. Known in Ancient Egypt as a life-like monkey.


That should explain it much more clearly V.

It's obvious that Yung and Welfare Rob Argentino, two guys who have bragged about their education in mathematics, don't know the gambling equation or they would have put it up just to rub it in my face. It's a very simple equation so they have no excuse for not knowing it if they are so boned up on math as they say they are. Argentino, in hundreds of thousands of posts on the internet, has never really talked math except in very general terms. He can't be specific on any of it.

Okay, so here is the gambling equation:

PAYOFF/PROBABILITY

That's payoff divided by probability. It works on everything. Take the one roll boxcars bet at craps. The payoff is:

30 to 1 expressed as 31 for 1

The probability is 1 in 36 rolls

31/36 = 86.11%
1 minus .8611 = 13.89%

Go online and look up house edges for craps bets. You will see that the one roll boxcars bet has a house edge of 13.89%.

In roulette:

The chance of your number hitting is 1 in 38. The payoff is 35 to 1 expressed as 36 for 1.

36/38 = 94.7368%
1 minus .947368 = 5.2632%

Go online and look up the house edge for this type roulette bet and you will see it's 5.2632%.

These are just a couple of examples off the top of my head. I learned this equation 22 years ago when I was just starting out. It was in Dan Paymar's book on video poker, Precision Play.

How does the gambling equation work in the real world of AP? I was on a progressive play just the other day. It was $1 progressive Almost Positive Deuces Wild with a 10K royal. The meter runs at 1%. When I found it I subtracted the 4K reset from 10K to get 6K then divided by 5 to get the number of extra bets in the meter, 1200. Then I divided 1200 by the royal odds, 43,500 to get the add-on, 2.76%. I already knew that APDW is a 99.96% game so adding 2.76% to it means its 102.7% play without a strategy shift. With a shift it would bring it up to about 103%.

At 1000 HPH its a $150 an hour play plus the meter movement.

Welfare Rob, in his infinite ignorance, says you can't make money on plays like this. That's baloney. If you could play $1 APDW with a 10K royal 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, it would be worth $300,000 a year.

I'm not a DW player but mickeycrimm you'll have to slowly explain to me the play in the photo above, holding a deuce with 9d and 10d? You weren't hoping for a straight flush were you?

3 to a SF with 1 wild with 0 or 1 gaps is the correct hold at 67 or higher

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3 to a SF with 1 wild with 0 or 1 gaps is the correct hold at 67 or higher

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45 or higher (depending on penalty cards) in these games that pay 10 or higher for the SF. And you even hold one gappers (2,97s) as well.

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How does the gambling equation work in the real world of AP? I was on a progressive play just the other day. It was $1 progressive Almost Positive Deuces Wild with a 10K royal. The meter runs at 1%. When I found it I subtracted the 4K reset from 10K to get 6K then divided by 5 to get the number of extra bets in the meter, 1200. Then I divided 1200 by the royal odds, 43,500 to get the add-on, 2.76%. I already knew that APDW is a 99.96% game so adding 2.76% to it means its 102.7% play without a strategy shift. With a shift it would bring it up to about 103%.

At 1000 HPH its a $150 an hour play plus the meter movement.

Welfare Rob, in his infinite ignorance, says you can't make money on plays like this. That's baloney. If you could play $1 APDW with a 10K royal 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, it would be worth $300,000 a year.

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For those that are curious, here is the optimal strategy for this game with the royal that high (103.1%):

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video...-d-200-d-2031/

That's a fairly rare find nowadays when you add the 1% meter move. What's the player's card worth? Mail? Good Comps?

Heres a question. 1) Let's pretend its a single machine and only you can play it forever. Let's assume you know all the RF breaks down to the penny. Whats it worth? Some might say you just add the 1% To the base pay but, I don't think its that simple. If you are making changes to the strategy as the meter goes up you are skewing what originally gave you that 99.96. If you just play the 99.96 strategy it doesn't seem like you get the full 1% .

2) you always randomly go in at random and play an open bank can you now claim the full 1% meter move?
It would seem so, however since you are probably going to be the one adding a big chunk to the meter yourself, and have to sleep, people tend to jump on progressives as they get higher.

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How does the gambling equation work in the real world of AP? I was on a progressive play just the other day. It was $1 progressive Almost Positive Deuces Wild with a 10K royal. The meter runs at 1%. When I found it I subtracted the 4K reset from 10K to get 6K then divided by 5 to get the number of extra bets in the meter, 1200. Then I divided 1200 by the royal odds, 43,500 to get the add-on, 2.76%. I already knew that APDW is a 99.96% game so adding 2.76% to it means its 102.7% play without a strategy shift. With a shift it would bring it up to about 103%.

At 1000 HPH its a $150 an hour play plus the meter movement.

Welfare Rob, in his infinite ignorance, says you can't make money on plays like this. That's baloney. If you could play $1 APDW with a 10K royal 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, it would be worth $300,000 a year.

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For those that are curious, here is the optimal strategy for this game with the royal that high (103.1%):

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video...-d-200-d-2031/

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If it were close we would certainlly jump on it and play untill it hits.

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That's a fairly rare find nowadays when you add the 1% meter move. What's the player's card worth? Mail? Good Comps?

Heres a question. 1) Let's pretend its a single machine and only you can play it forever. Let's assume you know all the RF breaks down to the penny. Whats it worth? Some might say you just add the 1% To the base pay but, I don't think its that simple. If you are making changes to the strategy as the meter goes up you are skewing what originally gave you that 99.96. If you just play the 99.96 strategy it doesn't seem like you get the full 1% .

2) you always randomly go in at random and play an open bank can you now claim the full 1% meter move?
It would seem so, however since you are probably going to be the one adding a big chunk to the meter yourself, and have to sleep, people tend to jump on progressives as they get higher.

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1. If you play it straight through non-stop with the 99.96% strategy, with a 1% meter, then you’ll just get a 100.96% return. Eventually you’ll hit the RF. Another way to think of it, imagine the 1% meter was on the 3-of-kind, certainly you’re going to be hitting that. Or another way, imagine you get paid that 1% back immediately after every hand.

Of course that’s more of “in theory”, because IRL you have to worry about competition and whatnot.

If you know and play variable strategy (IE: the strategy down to the penny), then I’m not sure. I’ll take a stab in the dark and say it’s worth MORE than 100.96% if played straight through, no competition, etc.

2. On average, it’s going to be some amount above reset. Actually, very rarely is it going to be exactly at reset. Even if it’s at $4,000.01, you gain a tad of an advantage (not saying it’s worth it) over reset. So the base game will be above 99.96%* if you go in randomly. As far as claiming that 1% in the meter move, I don’t think anyone can answer that, since it entirely depends on competition and not even something you could calculate with simple theory. You’d have to know what kind of competition exists and potentially how long between your sessions (5 minutes between a session is way different than 5 weeks between a session).

If you play it until it hits, you can claim that 1%. But if you don’t....I don’t really know how much of that 1% you could add to your EV.


@Alan — deuce + suited connectors are proper in deuces wild and even one gappers (279) in most of all DW games I play.

* Or whatever the exact base return is.

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I'm not a DW player but mickeycrimm you'll have to slowly explain to me the play in the photo above, holding a deuce with 9d and 10d? You weren't hoping for a straight flush were you?

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Alan, the pic shows the analysis of the hand in question on Frugal Video Poker. You can see that holding the 29T has an average return of 5.8 coins. Holding just the deuce or holding the 4-card straight has an average value of just 5 coins. So the 29T is the far superior hold.

I'm late for making my lap though the casinos today. I'll get back to the other questions in the thread when I get back in this evening.

I'm like a teener leaguer compared to MLB (mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, RS, jbjb, tableplay, arci, and so on) in terms of knowing video poker holds, but even I know the standard hold is 9/10 suited with a deuce. Yay! That may be my first video poker proper-hold post.

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I'm like a teener leaguer compared to MLB (mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, RS, jbjb, tableplay, arci, and so on) in terms of knowing video poker holds, but even I know the standard hold is 9/10 suited with a deuce. Yay! That may be my first video poker proper-hold post.

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I have a feeling that Alan would hold 22 over 22 9 10 ss guys like him will give up EV for the bigger hits since they are always playing for the short run(Over and over and over and over and over and over agian)

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I'm like a teener leaguer compared to MLB (mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, RS, jbjb, tableplay, arci, and so on) in terms of knowing video poker holds, but even I know the standard hold is 9/10 suited with a deuce. Yay! That may be my first video poker proper-hold post.

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I have a feeling that Alan would hold 22 over 22 9 10 ss guys like him will give up EV for the bigger hits since they are always playing for the short run(Over and over and over and over and over and over agian)

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Clearly you're trolling me. I'll say it again, I don't play DW or even know the intricacies of the game.

Troll someone else.

Wow six grand at 1% meter means what, one hundred twenty thousand hands without hitting? The royal must be due like We The People

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Wow six grand at 1% meter means what, one hundred twenty thousand hands without hitting? The royal must be due like We The People

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Assuming it takes an average of 40k hands for a royal, it's got about a 5% chance to get that high. Even at 30k/hands per royal, it's about 1.8% chance.

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MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY.

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Really?

Wanna bet?

In most DW games a natural royal hits about 1 in 45,000 hands.

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If it were close we would certainlly jump on it and play untill it hits.

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Location is such a big factor. I saw frenetic action from a pro VP team (locking up 5 seats for as long as took to hit) when a NRF Jackpot got up to $8100 ($1 denom, 5 coin, DDB) at a large, popular casino several months ago. And then a ghost town good for anyone interested in taking down a $10,1XX.XX jackpot ($1 denom, 5 coin, BP Poker IIRC) at a smaller mid-size locals casino - four empty seats (in a square formation), every time I went there for other plays and observed it in passing over four weeks until it got hit ($1 denom, 5 coin, BP Poker IIRC).

Since we're discussing Deuces here...

I haven't done the calculations, but in my personal experience, the FPDW machines tend to have far less variance than the full pay JoB/BP/DDBP type machines.

Is this true?

Or has it just fallen that way for me?

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Since we're discussing Deuces here...

I haven't done the calculations, but in my personal experience, the FPDW machines tend to have far less variance than the full pay JoB/BP/DDBP type machines.

Is this true?

Or has it just fallen that way for me?

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Hi Dan, below are the variances of the games you mentioned. FPDW has a lower variance than DDBP, but not as low as bonus poker or JOB.

game:variance
FPDW:25.83462
FPBP: 20.90408
FPJOB : 19.51468
DDBP_9_6 : 41.98498

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MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY.

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Really?

Wanna bet?

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He was a prolific poster then all of a sudden nothing for three weeks. He made one post to complain to Dan. I don't call that a return. Hopefully, he does come back. And if he does maybe you guys could show a little class instead of trolling him.

Holy shit... I can't imagine why someone would not come back to all this.

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That's a fairly rare find nowadays when you add the 1% meter move. What's the player's card worth? Mail? Good Comps?

Heres a question. 1) Let's pretend its a single machine and only you can play it forever. Let's assume you know all the RF breaks down to the penny. Whats it worth? Some might say you just add the 1% To the base pay but, I don't think its that simple. If you are making changes to the strategy as the meter goes up you are skewing what originally gave you that 99.96. If you just play the 99.96 strategy it doesn't seem like you get the full 1% .

2) you always randomly go in at random and play an open bank can you now claim the full 1% meter move?
It would seem so, however since you are probably going to be the one adding a big chunk to the meter yourself, and have to sleep, people tend to jump on progressives as they get higher.

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1. If you play it straight through non-stop with the 99.96% strategy, with a 1% meter, then you’ll just get a 100.96% return. Eventually you’ll hit the RF. Another way to think of it, imagine the 1% meter was on the 3-of-kind, certainly you’re going to be hitting that. Or another way, imagine you get paid that 1% back immediately after every hand.

Of course that’s more of “in theory”, because IRL you have to worry about competition and whatnot.

If you know and play variable strategy (IE: the strategy down to the penny), then I’m not sure. I’ll take a stab in the dark and say it’s worth MORE than 100.96% if played straight through, no competition, etc.

2. On average, it’s going to be some amount above reset. Actually, very rarely is it going to be exactly at reset. Even if it’s at $4,000.01, you gain a tad of an advantage (not saying it’s worth it) over reset. So the base game will be above 99.96%* if you go in randomly. As far as claiming that 1% in the meter move, I don’t think anyone can answer that, since it entirely depends on competition and not even something you could calculate with simple theory. You’d have to know what kind of competition exists and potentially how long between your sessions (5 minutes between a session is way different than 5 weeks between a session).

If you play it until it hits, you can claim that 1%. But if you don’t....I don’t really know how much of that 1% you could add to your EV..

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This play gets no comp or freeplay. Nothing. At one time it did. The card is worth .2% freeplay with 5X Mondays, 3X Wednesdays, 4X Thursdays. But the players club squashed it on the APDW progressive bank about a year ago.

I don't get interested in the play until the royal gets to $8000. It's about a 2% edge then, meter not included. I have reasons for it.

1. If I sit down on this play I'm giving up the money I make on the vulturable games so I need a good number before I'm going to do that.

2. The higher the number the more action the bank gets. By playing lower numbers I would be jacking up the meter for everyone that comes in at higher numbers. So I can't claim much of the meter rise.

3. It's not hard to get a seat at $8000.

4. I get drowsy real quick playing video poker. I'm having to drink a lot of coffee, get up and walk around, etc. I much prefer the vulturable games where I'm not in the seat long then up and walking around looking for another play. Doing the vulturables also makes it easier to work in the meal breaks, answering email, phone calls, restroom breaks, etc.

5. As stated earlier I don't like marathon video poker play. With a big fat number the 8 machine bank gets a lot of action. So then I can claim most of the meter rise. With 8 players cranking out 1000 HPH the royal is usually going to go within 4 or five hours.

I use the strategy based on an $8000 royal. The breakpoints after that are not worth memorizing. The $8000 royal strategy has a royal frequency of 37,798. The $10,000 strategy has a royal frequency of 37,750. Not much improvement so it's not worth worrying about.

Hey alan, it’s true that playing free play from other people’s card is profitable . I do this in ac all the time, I bring in my non gambling friends to visit the beach and I make them get a players card using the same password as mine . I play on their card with my own money and then wait for the free play. It is profitable. It takes 2/4 months for the free play to be generated and u can milk it in decreasing amount for minimum 3 months in Caesers and 1 year in borgata. Imagine if u have 10/20 cards, they all get free food play on the same day in different amounts , u run them thru 9/6 jacks and ur day profit is done

Hi Lucky. How do you determine the amount to run through on a fresh card the first time it's used? I check private messages which might be easier than sifting through all the petty crap in this (and most) threads here.

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MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY.

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Really?

Wanna bet?

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He was a prolific poster then all of a sudden nothing for three weeks. He made one post to complain to Dan. I don't call that a return. Hopefully, he does come back. And if he does maybe you guys could show a little class instead of trolling him.

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True or not, I always found the guy to be an interesting writer who told some cool stories....it’s a shame the self-appointed Ministers of Truth and Justice ran him out...guess that’s what happens when you have nothing better to do in life than worry if some total stranger on an internet web site is telling the truth....must be exciting lives

Well said.

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Hey alan, it’s true that playing free play from other people’s card is profitable . I do this in ac all the time, I bring in my non gambling friends to visit the beach and I make them get a players card using the same password as mine . I play on their card with my own money and then wait for the free play. It is profitable. It takes 2/4 months for the free play to be generated and u can milk it in decreasing amount for minimum 3 months in Caesers and 1 year in borgata. Imagine if u have 10/20 cards, they all get free food play on the same day in different amounts , u run them thru 9/6 jacks and ur day profit is done

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I maybe should ask this question on the east coast treads but since you mentioned A.C do you have a thought on the best casino to run a lot of action in a day as per Dan's idea of getting good mailers to get you back.

In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I kid u not. They give u big but they dry up fast. At borgata they give u little but the free play stays longer . I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that. Borgata is different, they send a smaller amount but it stays for many months

Hey lucky before I believe that your free play is profitable I want to know how much coin in you had to get the free play, what the ACTUAL return was on your coin in, and then how much free play followed till it disappeared because you didn't maintain your previous coin in levels. Show me those spread sheets and then I'll believe.

By the way, $1000 on a card in many casinos doesn't even get you $5 in Vegas. It gets you nothing with Station Casinos. Forget about it with MGM and Caesars.

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Hey lucky before I believe that your free play is profitable I want to know how much coin in you had to get the free play, what the ACTUAL return was on your coin in, and then how much free play followed till it disappeared because you didn't maintain your previous coin in levels. Show me those spread sheets and then I'll believe.

By the way, $1000 on a card in many casinos doesn't even get you $5 in Vegas. It gets you nothing with Station Casinos. Forget about it with MGM and Caesars.

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I’m sure that’s life encompassing to him

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In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that.

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Sorry. Too hard to believe.

Thanks Lucky

Welcome,prozema....Alan I play the 1000 in one day on slots, do I make a profit from playing free play , well I haven’t worked last 3 years. Do I care whether u believe it or not, no.....I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not

I was hoping Borgata would be good. I like that place. It's cool how they have the casino mapped out so you can find any machine on the floor.

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I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not

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In fact, it's just the opposite. You have everything to lose and NOTHING TO GAIN.

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MONET IS GONE. END OF STORY. FANITO LAMA SICA. HE WAS RUN OFF BY THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES. THE GUY GAVE UP MORE INFORMATION ON AP IN THIS FORUM THAN ANYONE IN ALL THE GAMBLING FORUMS IN HISTORY. THAT WAS REMARKABLE.

BUT WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE FROM THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES? THEY MOCKED, RIDICULED, SCOLDED, BESMIRCHED, SMEARED AND SLANDERED HIM.

OTHER AP'S TRIED TO GET HIM TO QUIT GIVING AWAY SO MUCH INFORMATION. HE TOLD THEM TO KISS OFF AND KEPT DOING IT. THEY COULDN'T GET HIM TO STOP. BUT NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES, ROB SINGER, ALAN MENDELSON, MR. V., LARRYS, BILL YUNG, BLACKHOLE AND PORK BELLY. THEY DID THE FUCKING JOB FOR THE AP'S. THE DUNCES ARE THE ONES THAT GOT MONET TO SHUT UP AND LEAVE.

GREAT JOB, DUNCES. YOU DID THE FUCKING JOB FOR THOSE AP'S. LIKE THE IGNORAMUS MOTHERFUCKERS YOU ARE. LIKE THE GUY SAID YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. MONET GOT TIRED OF YOUR ABUSE AND LEFT.

THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF AP ON THIS SITE WITH THE CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES, LED BY WELFARE ROB SINGER, RUNNING THINGS. HIS WAY IS THE WAY OF IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY. THIS SITE IS NOTHING BUT A SHITHOLE WITH HIM ON IT. SO ALL YOU DUNCES HAVE A GAY OLD TIME WITH YOUR DUMB STUPID TROLLING. THAT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT.

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Its funny that when I joined here, MC and KJ cried to Dan that I would be making this a TROLLING HELL. Yet one of the 2 biggest trolls ends up being MC ..complete with his pre-sober vulgarities that we are all used to. And I doubt the term "pre-sober" actually applies

Secondly, monet gave info on "plays" and most people totally believed that. Its just when he strayed into the "i am a bad dude" persona///The Billy the Kid persona, the "i dont give a shit nor follow rules" persona, the "i throw 20 dollar bills on the homeless laying in the street" persona, the "i didnt pay taxes on 750k in winnings" persona....that people started to be wary and not fully accept that side of his posting.

But he desperately wanted to be viewed as the uncaring badass. The bad guy who has shit on people in the past. THe "THEIF".

so when singer questioned the validity, and how difficult it would be to shield 750k from the govt.....the house of cards he built around his persona started to fall. His AP plays were still valid...but the other "stories" became less believable.

THAT is what had him leave. Of course he will come back and tell us he was busy blah blah blah But its rather transparent that the timing of his departure is when people were questioning his "stories". Not his ap plays. They are most likely true and valid.

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Welcome,prozema....Alan I play the 1000 in one day on slots, do I make a profit from playing free play , well I haven’t worked last 3 years. Do I care whether u believe it or not, no.....I have nothing to gain if u or others choose to believe or not

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Good I'm glad you don't care that I don't believe it.

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In ac, casers casino are the best to get good mailers , I kid u not. They give u big but they dry up fast. At borgata they give u little but the free play stays longer . I run through around $1000 on a brand new card , playing strictly slots like cash men. Then I never play that card till the free play roles in. I get about 80-120 3/4times a week for 2 months,after milking it, drops down to half next month and keeps dropping after that. Borgata is different, they send a smaller amount but it stays for many months

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if true..then it works for one cycle in a casino. You bet1000, and get the free play, and then each month you let it cut in half...till you get nothing. Sounds like a special promotion for new card members...if its true at all. My experience is that 1000 gets you very little...maybe coffee and pie at a coffee shop/

Let's not overlook the timing for getting free play after initial betting. Depending on the calendar and scheduling by the casinos for its mailers you could be waiting two or three months for the first free play offer to hit your mailbox.

So it's two or three months - you wait. You don't go back until you start getting decent offers. In my experience with the one card - and this isn't AC or LV but rather local type places - it's usually the second set of offers that's better. So typically three months, maybe 4 tops. In my experience when you wait for that second set of better offers you usually get the same better offers for the month after, so two good months. Where I go and play only using that FP. If I win off of it I keep playing with the winnings. If I lose it I leave. I just do this for fun and games and to minimize my entertainment expense but there's certainly money to be made because often enough I am up once the FP is played through. Not living on money but a couple bucks.

The discipline required is NOT TO GO BACK and let that play sit there as your last visit until you get decent offers. Now the folks with multiple cards can just go back and play on another card. I just have my personal card at each place I play. So I just don't go.

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Let's not overlook the timing for getting free play after initial betting. Depending on the calendar and scheduling by the casinos for its mailers you could be waiting two or three months for the first free play offer to hit your mailbox.

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try to make s living with the small amount of casinos in AC, WAITING MONTHS FOR YOUR "BIG OFFERS".

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Its funny that when I joined here, MC and KJ cried to Dan that I would be making this a TROLLING HELL. Yet one of the 2 biggest trolls ends up being MC ..complete with his pre-sober vulgarities that we are all used to. And I doubt the term "pre-sober" actually applies.

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You haven't been as bad here as you were on other forums but you have certainly done your part to turn this site into a trolling hell. I've never trolled anyone that hasn't trolled me first. That includes you, V, and a host of others. Trolling is easy. It takes no brains whatsoever. When you troll me you are going to get fucking trolled back. Don't troll me and you have no problem. You are counting on the ones you troll to act civilized. I won't do it. I'll get downright despicable dirty with your punk ass.

PS: I don't think about it anymore but since you brought it up I haven't had a drink since Feb. 28th, 2017. That means I'm about to complete my 15th month. And your implying that I'm still drinking is a disgusting bag of shit troll by you.

You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet.

Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling, Mr. Crimm.

Now it seems you have quieted down: we'll see.

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You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet.

Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling, Mr. Crimm.

Now it seems you have quieted down: we'll see.

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You are a lying ass piece of shit. You started the troll over my religious advice to monet. So fuck off and die, cunt.

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You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet.

Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling, Mr. Crimm.

Now it seems you have quieted down: we'll see.

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You are a lying ass piece of shit. You started the troll over my religious advice to monet. So fuck off and die, cunt.

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thats the old MC I remember from wov and GF as he lay face down in the gutter with is body and vocabulary.

but the fact remains....the back and forth with singer is indeed troll hell......

and he still has enough trolling left to wish death on others and call them a womans body part.

crying like a baby "you started it first" or "i know you are but what am i"

sounds like me and my brother fighting in the back seat as kids, and when dad pulled over the car.....the first words out of eavh mouth...was "he started it"

its so juvenile for tipsey micky to pull that line.

waaaa waaaaa waaaaaa .............he started it

my advice...dry out and act like an adult.

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You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet.

Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling, Mr. Crimm.

Now it seems you have quieted down: we'll see.

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you expect him to remember that?????

Historical revisionism, Mickey?

Nice try.

Look at the third post on this thread!

One can only wait for you to choke on your bile and keel over from a self-imposed stroke.

Looks like the 2 resident old ladies are back to tag teaming...the relationship between these 2 is quite complex...one day they are nice and chummy, and the next Larry is suggesting his gal pal is sucking Wiz’s dick...all in the name of entertainment I guess, and like the song says “Girls just wanna have fun”....I’d bet with reasonable certainty that Mr V is really a woman...less clear on Larry, although he too has many female characteristics

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Looks like the 2 resident old ladies are back to tag teaming...the relationship between these 2 is quite complex...one day they are nice and chummy, and the next Larry is suggesting his gal pal is sucking Wiz’s dick...all in the name of entertainment I guess, and like the song says “Girls just wanna have fun”....I’d bet with reasonable certainty that Mr V is really a woman...less clear on Larry, although he too has many female characteristics

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the simple minded in the world think there is an all or nothing aspect in adult exchanges.

However 2 things can be equally true. I can agree with MrV on a toipic at 9 am and disagree with him on a different topic at 9:05 am without being a hypocrite.......just being fair minded and not letting one aspect of a person influence my ability to agree or disaggree on various topics.

the simpletons of the world cannot fathom how that can be.

All the simpletons can do is wring their hands, rock back and forth and pray for a "gotcha" moment...that never arrives.

sometimes even a simpleton as yourself will get my nod of approval for something that you post....however that doesnt mean that I admire or advocate simpletonian behavior in general.

And just because I agree with MrV on many things...that doesnt mean I advocate or admire his behavior on wov. One has nothing to do with the other.

simpletons or ass kissers......I can agree or disaggree with any or all of them at any given time

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Originally Posted by Keystone

Looks like the 2 resident old ladies are back to tag teaming...the relationship between these 2 is quite complex...one day they are nice and chummy, and the next Larry is suggesting his gal pal is sucking Wiz’s dick...all in the name of entertainment I guess, and like the song says “Girls just wanna have fun”....I’d bet with reasonable certainty that Mr V is really a woman...less clear on Larry, although he too has many female characteristics

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the simple minded in the world think there is an all or nothing aspect in adult exchanges.

However 2 things can be equally true. I can agree with MrV on a toipic at 9 am and disagree with him on a different topic at 9:05 am without being a hypocrite.......just being fair minded and not letting one aspect of a person influence my ability to agree or disaggree on various topics.

the simpletons of the world cannot fathom how that can be.

All the simpletons can do is wring their hands, rock back and forth and pray for a "gotcha" moment...that never arrives.

sometimes even a simpleton as yourself will get my nod of approval for something that you post....however that doesnt mean that I admire or advocate simpletonian behavior in general.

And just because I agree with MrV on many things...that doesnt mean I advocate or admire his behavior on wov. One has nothing to do with the other.

simpletons or ass kissers......I can agree or disaggree with any or all of them at any given time

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Wow, a simple, yet very level headed and concise reply Lawrence....but somehow, when I read anything you and Mrs V opine on (you less than she, so give yourself a pat on the back) the description "adult exchanges" doesn`t come to mind...but do carry on Sir...if nothing else the dynamic of watching a woman playing a man (MrsV) and his/her erstwhile sidekick/tag team partner is quite fascinating to watch

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Originally Posted by Keystone

Looks like the 2 resident old ladies are back to tag teaming...the relationship between these 2 is quite complex...one day they are nice and chummy, and the next Larry is suggesting his gal pal is sucking Wiz’s dick...all in the name of entertainment I guess, and like the song says “Girls just wanna have fun”....I’d bet with reasonable certainty that Mr V is really a woman...less clear on Larry, although he too has many female characteristics

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the simple minded in the world think there is an all or nothing aspect in adult exchanges.

However 2 things can be equally true. I can agree with MrV on a toipic at 9 am and disagree with him on a different topic at 9:05 am without being a hypocrite.......just being fair minded and not letting one aspect of a person influence my ability to agree or disaggree on various topics.

the simpletons of the world cannot fathom how that can be.

All the simpletons can do is wring their hands, rock back and forth and pray for a "gotcha" moment...that never arrives.

sometimes even a simpleton as yourself will get my nod of approval for something that you post....however that doesnt mean that I admire or advocate simpletonian behavior in general.

And just because I agree with MrV on many things...that doesnt mean I advocate or admire his behavior on wov. One has nothing to do with the other.

simpletons or ass kissers......I can agree or disaggree with any or all of them at any given time

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Idk what you’re rambling on about, but what’s wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MisterV

You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet.

Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling, Mr. Crimm.

Now it seems you have quieted down: we'll see.

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You are a lying ass piece of shit. You started the troll over my religious advice to monet. So fuck off and die, cunt.

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thats the old MC I remember from wov and GF as he lay face down in the gutter with is body and vocabulary.

but the fact remains....the back and forth with singer is indeed troll hell......

and he still has enough trolling left to wish death on others and call them a womans body part.

crying like a baby "you started it first" or "i know you are but what am i"

sounds like me and my brother fighting in the back seat as kids, and when dad pulled over the car.....the first words out of eavh mouth...was "he started it"

its so juvenile for tipsey micky to pull that line.

waaaa waaaaa waaaaaa .............he started it

my advice...dry out and act like an adult.

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Here comes larry with the troll bait. Fuck you, bitch.

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Historical revisionism, Mickey?

Nice try.

Look at the third post on this thread!

One can only wait for you to choke on your bile and keel over from a self-imposed stroke.

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You are a bald face liar. Fuck off, punk.

larrys and V were kicked back in awe of the trolling abilities of Welfare Rob. Now, for lack of anything from Rob in a few days, they are back in action. Never anything constructive from these two. Just troll wars. They refuse to let the trolling die in Rob's absence.

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You started the trolling nonsense with me when I posted my thoughts about Monet. Things were pretty cool til you jumped in with your big mouth, i.e. you started the trolling,.

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Larry, who did you say was acting like a kid? "you started it!" "waaaaaaa waaaaaa."