It's actually a big surprise to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
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It's actually a big surprise to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I personally just never found any video poker play all that enjoyable. I guess that is part of the reason I couldn't advance beyond the lowest levels of machine AP. And I only got into the little bit of supplemental machine play that I did, because when I moved to Vegas, an AP friend practically twisted my arm. His words were something to the effect that the casinos in Vegas were practically "giving away money". "To not take advantage is throwing away money". So I did some, but just never found sitting at a machine enjoyable. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But on the other hand there are plenty of people that find blackjack play about the most boring thing in the world. And probably 5x as much for the way I play, moving around so much. To each his own...I guess. :rolleyes:
Okay, I found the fastest video poker thread. The search feature on WoV don't work worth a damn. I punch "fastest video poker player" into the field and get everything but what I'm looking for. The easy way to do it is use google and punch "fastest video poker player" into the field.
So here's the guy, Dr. Antonius, that holds the record for fastest on one machine. He played 385 hands in ten minutes which is 2310 HPH, made a couple of mistakes which got some hands deducted, and was credited with a speed of 2262 hands per hour.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...vFvPZZHZrd6s1k
Here's the guy, Ken, that holds the record for playing two machines 2544 HPH.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...nhOl0yOWwosD8B
FYI I'm fairly sure this was fakeQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Didn't Wizard make a video in the last year or so, with someone from WoV, TomG (a tall guy) that was a challenge about setting a record playing video poker. I think it was filmed at Santa Fe Station. I think in that one TomG played for 10 minutes and then extrapolated number of hands per hour from that, which BTW isn't a fair measurement. That is what endurance is all about. Let's say someone ran 2 miles in 10 minutes. That doesn't mean they can run 12 miles in an hour. :rolleyes:
I guess he kind of looks like Tom G, I thought that before as well, but Tom was the one that ate all the pancakes and Nuggets. The last video that MC posted was the correct one. I'm not sure why the discrepancy between Mickey's number a hands and the number Mike posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I got the numbers from this link which also came up when I googled "fastest video poker players." It's called Video Poker Speed Records - Wizard of Odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI guess he kind of looks like Tom G, I thought that before as well, but Tom was the one that ate all the pancakes and Nuggets. The last video that MC posted was the correct one. I'm not sure why the discrepancy between Mickey's number a hands and the number Mike posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...FLyp4rQMb-7mHW
BTW, I think Ken was playing FPDW.
I cruise at 1000 HPH. If I go faster I become mistake prone. My number comes from timing myself for 5 minutes which I've done repeatedly. But when we're talking about a four hour session my 1000 HPH turns into about 3000 hands because of all the jacking around I do in the four hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
More than a couple individuals up over 20k now on play.
And you know this as fact exactly how? Oh....they told you. Now there's gospelspeak.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
This discussion about vp speed--it means nothing if played past the first hour for most players, and past the first 1/2 hour for those misguided enuf to be playing two machines simultaneously. The claims sound amazing, the 10-minute videos are captivating, and the rocking between two machines make for a good laugh. But reality sets in, and EVERYONE'S accuracy--especially those trying to impress--declines in short order. That should be simple common sense to everybody.
Rob, on top of situation firsthand.
I could be one of those up 20k
Anything could be true, which is why you shouldn't be making multiple completely unsubstantiated claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Oh THIS is rich!!! Gotta give it to ya, Rob....you have a sense of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I agree that such high rates of speeds 2500 plus an hour would be hard to maintain for anyone that could Achieve that rate in the first place. However I think they could easily do two thousand hands per hour for a long. Most Video poker Pros can get out a thousand hands per hour for a long time without any mistakes that would cost them too much. Whatever reasonable amount of hands you want to chop it down to, they are still making a nice wage per hour and the casino is still losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAnd you know this as fact exactly how? Oh....they told you. Now there's gospelspeak.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
This discussion about vp speed--it means nothing if played past the first hour for most players, and past the first 1/2 hour for those misguided enuf to be playing two machines simultaneously. The claims sound amazing, the 10-minute videos are captivating, and the rocking between two machines make for a good laugh. But reality sets in, and EVERYONE'S accuracy--especially those trying to impress--declines in short order. That should be simple common sense to everybody.
May take a break from play, exhausted.
Whatever the players' speed and accuracy for however long, I hope they bring the house down soon so we can get a true explanation for all this. I'm still surprised they haven't slowed the FPDW machines down. Even more surprised it's lasted this long.
The same could be said of you kew!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOh THIS is rich!!! Gotta give it to ya, Rob....you have a sense of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
According to your buddy Dancer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
"As of today, Monday, they are down to 8 $1 FPDW games. The other 30 or so machines that used to have $1 or $2 FPDW on them are 15-11-4-4-3."
Dancer is on the big play at The Palms currently
So it's running it's expected course. I wonder if they achieved their objective. Maybe Dancer can report on that too. That's the most interesting part of this.
The first thing I do when I go to any casino is ask if they could turn on the double up feature. I hit it (Lady Luck) up twice before they closed around 2006. This is the type of place that could still be vulnerable, as they were closed for years including the time when the IGT memo and fix came out.
Downtown Grand is owned by 5th Street Gaming, who owns other casinos in the Vegas area. They got the memos. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
That's MSNBC-type posturing kew, which makes you again look silly. Aside from the obvious 5th St. Gaming revelation, the point was, were any or all the machines attended to within a closed casino? Were any machines in-transit at the time? Each of these situations lend to a higher probability that a machine or 3 or more was missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDowntown Grand is owned by 5th Street Gaming, who owns other casinos in the Vegas area. They got the memos. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Please wise up.
YOU wise up Rob. The only thing you have right here is that one off us looks silly. :rolleyes: Have you even been inside Downtown Grand? I am guessing not because if you had, you would know the machines are not 25 year old machines that had been sitting for 10 years. The machines were all brand new, late model, when they opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The property changed hands several times while it was closed. The machines that were in there during Lady Luck era are long gone. I don't know if the go back to the manufacturer or are sold, possible to some other casino or what, but they weren't just sitting there for 10 years. ;)
A better "angle" would have been to do a little research and see if you could determine where some of those machines went. But just to make a statement about them sitting there idol for 10 years is ludicrous.
The answer kew is you're tossing out things hoping one of your nonsensical whims will stick. It's simply another case of you not wanting something that I said to be as insightful as it really is.
Lady Luck had a lot of machines that were put in after the newer generation came out in '02. Common business sense says machines stick around in situations like they went thru. It took 3-1/2 years for the machines at Casino Monte Lago to be taken out, and unlike LL/DTG, there was no ongoing prospect of re-opening soon. And I've been in DTG last year asking for DU. The attendant said he'd be back but no one showed. That's why I asked the question here. Chances are that they did not put all new machines in while they were closed for years and when they re-opened as DTG. Casinos who operated straight thru that period didn't do that so why would you claim they did.
If you can point me to a site that gives accurate info on Lady Luck/DTG machines' history I'll research it. But you can't, can you. That was your silly inner MSNBC talking again.
OMG Rob, you are doing the Alan shuffle. :rolleyes:
I didn't say I knew where the machines went, so don't try to turn it by issuing a challenge of something I never said. I said "a better angle would be to maybe try to find out where they did go".
Lady Luck was closed for 10 years Rob. It wasn't a short term closure where it was expected they would be open in a couple years. And like I said the property changed hands several times during that period.
The fact is that you said something really stupid, speculating that the current machines were sitting there idol for a decade and now might be susceptible to the double up bug because they "missed getting the memo", when all evidence says otherwise....new machines and a company that operates other casinos and gaming outlets in Las Vegas area. So they would have gotten the memos. So I am not surprised you are trying to wiggle out now.
And you know Rob, this kind of thing is exactly what I am talking about with credibility. You will spin this in that I am attacking you because I don't like you. But the fact is that you just aren't credible in most things that you say. :rolleyes:
The "Alan Shuffle" haha I love it!
Good ole APDW. Once found it in the 50-play variety with good players club (and could play penny denom if desired).Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbAccording to your buddy Dancer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
"As of today, Monday, they are down to 8 $1 FPDW games. The other 30 or so machines that used to have $1 or $2 FPDW on them are 15-11-4-4-3."
This "debate" is just silly. Lady Luck closed, I believe, in late 2005. Downtown Grand opened late 2014. It would be a very, very unusual business strategy to pump $100 million into renovating a property and retain machines more than 10 years old. Video poker machines, if I recall correctly, ballpark at about 15K each. So a place the size of the Lady Luck, maybe holding a max of what, a 100 video poker machines on the high end? You do the math.
The problem with some people's "common sense" is the lack of common sense. I don't think what television news somebody watches has much to do with the math of doing business or common sense, but, you know, that's just common sense.
Here's a brilliant fucking idea. Somebody ask them. "How many 10-year-old machines did you keep after spending $100 million on renovations?" Oh right, I'll be there Monday. I'll ask them.
Oh yeah, the property was described as "gutted" in multiple articles. So we're talking removing and storing 100 more-than-10-year-old video poker machines, then reinstalling them onto brand new carpeting and flooring to spiff up the place.
As some folks like to say, "It's not impossible. it could have happened."
This is correct. If 5th Street Gaming just wanted to re-open Lady Luck, they would have done that. That is not what they were doing. They wanted everything new. They thought they were going to be the bright, shiny, new spot in the downtown area. New Name, new rooms, new restaurants, new everything. You don't do that and then using 20 year old outdated machines, the very thing that brings people in and generates the revenue. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Even if someone didn't know this, and was walking in DTG for the first time, you can tell just from the players card software and setup that these are newer model machines.
What's going on here is you really do not know what you're talking about, and you're trying to squirm out of it by evoking the name of someone who obviously still haunts you for all your ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims that have caused you to scramble around the internet forums for years, trying desperately to get others to believe your crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Take this as yet another teachable moment that effectively combats all of your cringe worthy BS. The casino was not closed for "10 years" unless that alternate math you use in your bj claims also accepts 2006-2013 being "10 years". And it was continually on the cusp of being re-opened within a year during that entire time. That dictates chances are that machines stayed on. Unless, of course, anyone has a hair on their ass like you always do about the intelligence I bring forward in issues such as this. I know you get irritated by how I present these things. And you're not alone.
You're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Are you mentally fatigued?
Whats the big play at the Palms?Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
I got lots of time right now Pig. Fatigued? I'm in my prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKERQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Are you mentally fatigued?
This should have been a simple question with easy yes/no answers from those of you here who went to DTG recently: "Has anyone asked for DU or not"? And I gave my reason why, which I submitted after reading all the history of what went on there over the recent years. But we have a person here who thrives in conflict on the internet, and he gets severely agitated whenever anyone brings up a point about LV before he ever gets close to it.
I think this is what the timeline looks like
On Friday, 11 July, DTG installs FPDW with denoms from 25 cents to $2 on all their video pokers, excluding bartops. Card is worth .2%. It brings in a lot of players.
On Friday, 18 July, video poker is disqualified from receiving points.
On Saturday, 19 July, the $2 denoms were changed from FPDW to APDW.
So that would leave denoms of 25 cent, fifty cent, and $1.
We'll see how long that lasts. Getting rid of the $2 denom probably got rid of the bigger bankrolled players that don't care for $1 denom because they won't work that cheap.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.
LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
Rob you are starting to sound almost exactly like Rachel Maddow trying to explain away your dumbass comments. Wise up, you’re embarrassing yourself
Singer is continuing to tap dance. If you want to score him points for the technicality that I said it was closed for a decade when it was 7 years 8 months fine. I didn't look it up. I just used the decade time frame as a generality. Everything else he is completely wrong about and making shit up. "Continually on the cusp of being re-opened within a year during that entire time" is complete bullshit. Completely made up.
I moved to Vegas in 2009 and was making several trips a year prior to that and Lady Luck was never on the cusp of re-opening. It was always much closer to complete demolition that re-opening. There were numerous "demolition" deadlines that were missed, as you would see these stories on the local news at night. Plus I play downtown 2-3 times a week and one of my regular stops is 2 blocks from DTG. I know when a place is "on the cusp of re-opening". Saying Lady Luck was continually on the cusp of re-opening is like saying The Western is continually on the cusp of re-opening. It's nonsense.
Now Rob says "he looks for the older machines all the time". I don't doubt that. But the machines in DTG are not the older models. Again, you can tell this from the players card technology and system. This is a system that has only been around a few years. And this is the timeline for when the machines were installed. They were newer generation machines. New when the place opened.
Kew, wipe the sweat away and stop crying. Maybe it'll enlighten you. I'm so sad that I had to catch you in a lie about "10 years". :)
Machines from '02-'05 are not "old machines". And I invite you to read the casino's history on the web. It explains a timeline of expecting to re-open and then setback after setback until they finally opened again.
Rest better tonight.
Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.
LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
Wikipedia? Great source Rob. I don't need to read Wikipedia....I live here and know what occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Dike Maddow would NEVER try to explain anything I've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
And of course this makes no sense in the context of what mcap said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerDike Maddow would NEVER try to explain anything I've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Someone says grapes are healthy for you and Rob replies "but I don't like oranges". :confused:
Didn't say Wikipedia did I. Looks like you're the one Alan's rubbed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWikipedia? Great source Rob. I don't need to read Wikipedia....I live here and know what occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
That's just it kew. You continually want to come across as all-knowing about everything LV (because you have no other life). But you stumbled into your own trap in this one. That's gotta hurt! :)
Look Rob, you said something really stupid and completely false, saying that the machines in DTG "could be vulnerable to the double up bug", implying that they were sitting there for almost 8 years under a sheet, just as they had been in 2006. That is just nonsense. Everything in the DTG was brand new, including or maybe especially the machines. THAT is what the marketing plan was... The New, sparkling, modern place downtown. That marketing plan hasn't worked, because that is not what Downtown is about. People don't go to Fremont Street to see, new shiny, modern. They go to see "old Vegas". And that makes me wonder about Steven's new place going up on the corner of Fremont and Main. :confused:
So Rob, you can tap dance and deflect, and go back to your trolling, name-calling ways, that you claimed are not really you, but what you said and insinuated is completely wrong. Anyone looking for still vulnerable machines is much more likely to find them in some small, rural casino. They sure aren't going to find them in a Casino that opened with everything brand new. So be a man and just accept that you were wrong on this one, probably didn't think it through.
There was a 12k dealt royal today by a pro at DTG
I have rarely read a more incorrect couple of lines. For the purposes of categorization, video poker is considered a "slot machine." So 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by the casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerCorrect. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/quest...-owned-leased/
Mr. Singer, are you residing in Chandler, AZ. these days?
There are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerCorrect. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
OK thanks--so that basically answers my question. There is no need to check them for the anomaly because they must have put in all new machines when they re-opened in 2013 or soon afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenThere are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerCorrect. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
I wouldn't have thought they'd do that but maybe that's the trend. Regardless, when I get back on both feet I'll continue my search. I've found them before and I'll find them again. When I do I won't play it any more--as I said, my time has come and gone. I will let only those couple people who've PM'd me about this play after I released what I did, know the details about it. I would love to see other players make money off of this, and the different methods from mine that they would use to do it.
This is what's important here, not all this arguing.
OK thanks--so that basically answers my question. There is no need to check them for the anomaly because they must have put in all new machines when they re-opened in 2013 or soon afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenThere are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerCorrect. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
I wouldn't have thought they'd do that but maybe that's the trend. Regardless, when I get back on both feet I'll continue my search. I've found them before and I'll find them again. When I do I won't play it any more--as I said, my time has come and gone. I will let only those couple people who've PM'd me about this play after I released what I did, know the details about it. I would love to see other players make money off of this, and the different methods from mine that they would use to do it.
This is what's important here, not all this arguing.
Its up on twitter this morning that the 25, 50 and $1 denoms were all reduced to APDW yesterday. I imagine that $1 triple play flopped royal had something to do with it. So that's the end of the play. So it looks like it lasted about 12 days. Rob, I don't get why that DTG person you talked to would tell you it was a good move on their part to put the FPDW in. Maybe they just didn't understand that it was just to big of an edge to give up. They had to find out the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I too am curious. What is this alleged "big play?"Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWhats the big play at the Palms?Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Wondered this myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by FABismonteI too am curious. What is this alleged "big play?"Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWhats the big play at the Palms?Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Palms has been sending relatively generous play up offers in the recent past. For example play 150,000 points and get 1k FreePlay, something like that. Could be some variation of that.
Hasn't Dancer publicly stated that his card with Stations has been terminated?
Yes dancer has said for years he has no card at station properties
He also lost Boyd about 6 years ago over playing the 9/6 BPD at Summerlin on triple point days. He lost MGM a couple of decades ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advantageplay
It's not surprising if he got his card privileges back after several years. Not with all the ownership and management changes that go on these days. And especially not with the amount of play he gives them.
Dancer is a God and resident of Nevada
:) Dancer is a fuddy-duddy who, if he played his income and marriage games right throughout his life, would have been able to comfortably retire like most people over 55 and younger than him, long ago. But I give him credit to have been able to keep going to casinos and sit for long hours at the machines. That tells me his mind is still in top shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Where does his deity come from?
I don't know about his income level and nor do I care, but maybe he just enjoys what he does. You could give me Jeff Bezos' net worth all in cash and I'd still keep beating casino games. I'll never quit! Quitting is for losers.
It's probably more all in what you believe you enjoy doing without further exploration than anything else. I never thought that was what life was all about. People by nature seek out different experiences.
Why is quitting gambling for losers? Not everyone enjoys spending hours in a smoke-filled atmosphere or staring for hours at computer screens or green cloth.
Is Dancer in the Gambling Hall of Fame yet?
Is it really all gone? Maybe there's a couple multi line games left.
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
He is with group of 15 chasing the JeepQuote:
Originally Posted by FABismonteI too am curious. What is this alleged "big play?"Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWhats the big play at the Palms?Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
I have not been down there since the first night I played, is this still the case? I can see that if the games were locked up, they might not make them get off to shut them down and change them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
All gone according to the gospel of Anthony Curtis
Whatever day I made that post, I walked in to see for myself. It was still going on the 2- 5 play machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI have not been down there since the first night I played, is this still the case? I can see that if the games were locked up, they might not make them get off to shut them down and change them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
You have pretty much been wrong on most of the stuff you posted regarding this. As well you have implied that you were actually playing it. You have pretty much proven to be full of bullshit. Run along and bring up another ancient thread from the archives.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYou have pretty much been wrong on most of the stuff you posted regarding this. As well you have implied that you were actually playing it. You have pretty much proven to be full of bullshit. Run along and bring up another ancient thread from the archives.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Now I have to wonder if that Jeep is really a 4-wheel drive Prius.
He's in the Video Poker Hall of Fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
About Hall of Fames:
First I have never even heard of the Gambling Hall of Fame until this thread. When I looked it up and saw the members, I don't see a lot of players. I see casino owners and executives, Like Steve Wynn, Jackie Gaughn, Gary Loveman. I see entertainers....lots. Boxing promoter Don King. Nevada national and local politicians. In short this is a hall of fame for people who helped build and expands that gambling industry, not for successful gamblers.
Where Dancer belongs is the video poker HoF and while I am not familiar, mickeycrimm says he is there. But here's the thing with these kinds of HoF's like video poker or blackjack. First of all, there seems to be a little of the 'good old boys club' to them. A lot of politics. Second for every person in these HoF's, there are many more that were even more successful that didn't gain, or want that kind of notoriety. I mean the reward for a successful gambler/player is money, not some plaque on a wall and in the case of the Blackjack HoF, exclusion from the casino that the HoF guy runs. ;)
Now this era of internet forums, brings more of us out into the open that past eras. But there is still a sense of anonymity. And there has to be to achieve any kind of longevity.
I don't know, I am not looking down on HoF members or that accolade. I am just saying, I am sure some of the best video poker players are NOT in the video poker hall of Fame. Same with Blackjack. And what about guys like Mickey and Axel and so many more that aren't limited to one game, but are machine "specialists". Is there an AP hall of fame? :confused: And unlike blackjack players who "retire" or have retirement forced upon them, other advantage player play throughout their lives, even if they slow down. They aren't going to want to have their real name listed in any HoF, as that would be the end of their careers.
kewlJ, good post and all correctly stated.
What you're trying to say kew is someone like you believes there should be a spot for you in some Blackjack HoF down the road, and if not then it just isn't fair. Maybe, maybe not. But really....how important is something like that?
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Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER
Who cares about these things? Take Pete Rose. He played baseball very good and he's famous. What difference does it make if he's in some stupid "hall" or not? Absolutely zilch!
I do this for the money. Screw the rest of the bullshit.
What I am saying Rob, is that in late 2003 when I became interested in blackjack and began thinking, wondering, and learning if I could make a living playing blackjack, my motivation was making a living and making money. There was no thought of any HoF. It was and continues to be about the Benjamins and making a living doing something I enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Much to the displeasure of two current BJHoF members, I made public a meeting that I had with them, where they suggested I begin to "rehabilitate" my image if I had any future interest. Well, I don't have any interest right now, nor any time in the near future as I intend to play blackjack as long as there are beatable games and hopefully that will be decades.
And while I can't say with any certainty how I will feel down the road, just that idea...."rehabilitate an image" lends to the politics involved and is a further turn off to me. That shouldn't be what any HoF should be about. It should be about accomplishment, not who likes who, or who is in "the good old boys club".
My motivation continues to be financial, and making money doing something I enjoy. I am not competing with other players, only with my own goals and ambitions, and I am real happy with my achievements where I am at. :)
OK. But is it really possible to even be considered as a BJ HoF inductee if one gets banned from the all-important WoV?