Who knows, we might be socks of each other’s handles and not even know it. Boy, this gets confusing.
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OK, so this isn't really about the $1200 handout, but more about expanded unemployment under the CARE act (coronavirus stimulus). I just didn't want to start a new thread and have mcap flip his lid.
So under usual circumstances, if you are eligible for unemployment, you receive about 50% of what you would earn working, up to the max amount for each state ($407 for Nevada). As part of the CARE act, in addition to unemployment eligibility being made easier, making self employed people eligible for benefits, they wanted to make it so people would "be whole" as they called it, and get benefits closer to 100% of what they previously earned. They did this by giving an extra $600 a week on top of whatever your state would normally pay to people who qualify for unemployment. This extra $600 lasts for 4 months.
So lets do the math.
1.) say someone earned $1000 a week, roughly 50k a year. Under normal circumstances here in Nevada they would be eligible for max amount of $407 week. With the additional $600 from the CARE act they will be getting $1007, making them whole, just as designed.
2.) now lets look at someone making $10 an hour or $400 a week. Under normal circumstances they would get roughly half of $200 in unemployment benefits. But with the additional $600 from the care act they will receive $800, or double what they made at their job. :confused:
Anyone who earned 40k or less will receive substantially more in unemployment that they made at their job, ranging up to the example #2. :confused: Why should anyone get more money, up to double from unemployment to stay home. That is not a good precedent.
This was addressed by Congress early in the process of approving this. You are bringing up an issue that was dead and buried. But since you brought it up....
Yes some people will get more money being out of work than when they were working. The rationale is the extra money will help them take care of extra expenses such as health care and the extra money will help stimulate spending.
You left out that for the first time self employed and freelancers and gig workers will also be added to the unemployment insurance system.
While pro gamblers can't get the SBA grants and loans I don't recall seeing anything that bars pro gamblers from the new unemployment insurance plan. Did I miss that somewhere? Or are you indeed eligible?
No, I didn't leave out that self employed, including professional gamblers are eligible. I briefly mentioned it right in the post that you quoted.
I also posted yesterday in another thread, my experience with filing for unemployment. Was hard to get through to the website but once I did, I was approved in 48 hours. I shared this mainly so the other professional AP's on this forum and that read this forum would know they are eligible.
Mr Kewlj if you don't mind please post where on the Nevada Unemployment sign up website you found the place to sign up as a pro gambler? I think that section would also apply to gig workers and freelancers.
I was just talking to my neighbor who works marketing for Vegas conventions on call and he would qualify but can't find how to apply on the Nevada Unemployment website. Can you help?
The last I heard was that the Nevada website had not yet been changed to accommodate the gig workers and freelancers who would get the $600 per week for four months.
He has zero income now.
I was also wondering about Professional Gamblers in this and wondering if they would be getting a $1,000 handout too and if they could file for unemployment since they are no longer employed due to their places of businesses being temporarily closed. I am kind of reminded of a messageboard for a movie I watched. In the movie there were Two Protagonists. One of them had a job as a Teacher who was about to be out of a job as her school was set to be blown up to make a Hotel and she was going to go to the Unemployment Office or something like that and a fan of the movie asked why she was going to go to the Unemployment Office when she already had a job. The response was,"Her place of business was set to be blown up to become a Hotel. Blown up= No job, so =Planning to go to Unemployment office. You don't have a job anymore if your place of business no longer exists!"
Luckily the Protagonist job was saved when the Co-Protagonist found Paperwork that legally prevented her place of business not being able to be turned into anything else for at least YEARS or something like that. So, since the Casinos went out of business (Or temporarily "Blown up" ;)for the time being can Professional Gamblers file for Unemployment? Will they get the $1,000 handout too or will they be denied if Professional Gambling is considered more of a Recreational Hobby than a "Real" job? :/
TASHA - Did you read my post #82, because I really wrote that with you in mind. I am assuming Walgreens isn't paying you $40 - $50 thousand dollars a year and that you are probably closer to the $10 and hour example. Forgive me if I am wrong, but if that is the case, you could probably receive much more than you currently earn by not working AND even more important, would not be risking your health and/or the health of your family members that you recently stated you live with. Normally I would never suggest someone would be better off not working and getting unemployment, but these are anything but normal times. You are risking your health for that small amount that Walgreens is currently paying you to stay on the front line dealing with customers.
Moving on, I will now address AndrewG, aka Alan M, even though Alan refuses to be honest enough to use his real identity. Alan is trying to play his usual gottchya games with his question and doesn't deserve an answer, but I will do so, as it may benefit anyone else trying to file a claim. The hard part is really just getting through to the unemployment site, or at least it was difficult earlier in the week. Today, I got on with little problem. As you would expect I guess they are having tremendous volume filing.
So you have to go through the process of creating an online account. After you do so and click the file a new claim, you begin entering all your information. Several pages in, the earnings that they have for you will show. Then they ask if this is all of your earnings. They ask if you have been self employed since 2018 and if you answer yes, there is a place for a manual entry. It has been a few days so I am trying to remember, but I think this is where it initially said, I was ineligible. don't let that stop you.
Next you click on continue with claim (despite that initial ineligible declaration). The next set of questions asks if you are filing due to being unable to work because of the coronavirus or covid-19 outbreak. I believe this is where there is again a place for you to claim that you are self employed and write in the appropriate information. then just keep going and complete the claim.
The website says they process each claim on the same day it is received, which would be amazing under these circumstances. I actually didn't check back the following day, but 2 days later, my claim had been processed. It said something to the effect that I would separately receive a debit card and information on when it would be funded.
So there Alan....take your gottchya moment and shove it up your ass. AND I will no longer respond to you as AndrewG. If you cant be honest enough to stop attempting (and a bad attempt it was) hiding behind a second name, I am not interested in any kind of interaction with you. But take care of yourself. I imagine with your age and medical history, you are high risk. Seriously....be careful.
I’m pretty sure you don’t get unemployment if you voluntarily quit it’s if you lose your job not by choice. So Tasha couldn’t just quit and collect unemployment+600/wk.
This is a good point mcap, under normal circumstances, which these are not. I have never filed for or dealt with unemployment before, so I am just going but what I have heard or learned from....I don't even know where I might have heard or learned this from. But I believe (maybe wrong) that if you quit a job you have to have a good reason. probably some sort of list of acceptable reasons. And I would think if you feel in danger by this crisis, that would qualify. Nobody should be forced to continue to work with the public, putting not only themselves by their family at risk, for a low paying job.
I would think under normal circumstances if you can prove that your job puts you in danger, that would be an acceptable reason. In this circumstances, I would think that wont even be questioned.
I am sure by now everyone has seen the story of the Detroit Bus driver (if not google Detroit bus driver coronavirus). The guy posted a video complaining about passengers coughing on him. Like 5 days later he was dead of coronavirus. :(
There has to be a point where people say "fuck this...just not worth my life".
I guess it is easier to say that for people that have at least some financial cushion, but geez, everything always comes down to risk vs reward.
Thank you Mr Kewlj I will pass along the info. I'm so sorry for your other problem with Mr Alan.
Called my neighbor. He received a screen that said he must call to complete his claim.
Ok, so I just received an email from someone claiming my information may not be correct. I wish he, or she would have posted here, as I have no problem with someone correcting my information. I am just going through this for the first time and trying to learn, as well.
So this person claims that just because my online status is approved, don't mean that my claim has been approved. I don't get that. :confused: But he says it isn't officially approved until I receive a notice in the mail saying so, with an amount that I will get each week and further instructions. Ok, so I'll wait and see what I get in the mail. :rolleyes:
The guy also says the week that you file doesn't count. That the clock starts running next week and at the end of the week, you go back to your account and re-affirm that you did not work that week. I was thinking I would just start getting money, apparently on this unemployment debit card, but apparently it isn't that simple, instead you have to keep re-applying each week. Ok, whatever. Sorry if I mislead anyone, like I said, I am just trying to figure this out myself. My real purpose in going public was to inform other professional AP's that we are supposed to be eligible for unemployment. The casinos are closed and we can't earn a living just like everyone else.
Expanded unemployment eligibility is part of this 2 trillion dollar coronavirus stimulus package passed last week. It shouldn't be a state-by-state thing. It should be the same everywhere, but if there is any state that should be more knowledgeable about professional gamblers, you would think it would be Nevada. Other states are probably like "what now, professional gambler??" :rolleyes:
I don't know if professional gamblers are covered or not but the new law does allow self employed and freelancers and "gig workers" to be covered by Unemployment Insurance and there is a minimum of $600 per week for four months.
There are various news reports about how the state unemployment funds are not set up to handle the new claims. That info is all over the web.
My neighbor works as a freelancer or gig worker when conventions are in town. He can't finalize his application and it says he must call. That's all he knows and that's all I know.
I do not know if pro gamblers are covered or not for unemployment insurance. But I do know that pro gamblers cannot get money from the SBA, but that is separate from Unemployment.
By the way, I did see something on CNBC that if you are forced to quit your job because you have to take care of kids or someone ill with coronavirus then YES you do qualify for the special unemployment insurance.
The other thing I saw on CNBC is that it could take a while before states are able to administer the new unemployment insurance plan BUT the benefits will be retroactive and everyone who qualifies will get the full four months.
I'm sorry but again I don't know anything about pro gamblers being eligible for the unemployment plan.
I have a tricky situation perhaps someone can help me out with a question:
My brother is and always has been a US citizen and he's even a veteran. He has been living in Columbia for the like the last 10 or 15 years where he had some business where he was teaching English and hiring other teachers to work for him and teach English as well. He was doing okay for quite a while, but it seems like some of the bigger companies came in and under-bid him. He finally gave up living there as things weren't going too well the last 3 or 4 years I helped them out on and off it got to the point where he was in a fairly bad situation. So I helped him get back to the United States recently and eventually got him to Las Vegas and help them get set up so he could start a new life. He Is fairly skilled in many different areas but Advantage play probably isn't for him.
He hasn't had a job or filed taxes here in the United States in many years. He was looking for work when my moms health suddenly got to the point we had to bring her to Las Vegas. He was a primary caregiver and she was living with him the last two or three months where I was basically paying the bills. She needed 24/7 care so we couldn't even get a job. Only recently he was approved as a certified caregiver where he was supposed to get paid for taking care of her. I'm not sure exactly what day it was he got approved/ on the payroll, but my mom passed away right around the time he was approved, I'm not sure if he even got any hours in.
Considering he hasn't filed any taxes or had a job here in the United States would someone like him be eligible for any money?
It's kind of a screwed-up situation since his plans got all screwed up while taking on the responsibility of taking care of our mom and now all this Corona crap. It would be fairly hard for him to get a decent job right now. As far as I'm concerned he certainly deserves to get something considering he is a veteran and took care of my mom for two or three months who needed 24/7 care.
Mr AxelWolf I recall hearing that if he is a citizen and has a social security number he will get the $1200 regardless of income. He might also qualify for the special unemployment program. But since Nevada has not yet joined into the unemployment program yet there is no definitive answer.
He should file a tax return for 2019 immediately even if it shows no income. There are other benefits for low income persons plus it will put his SS number on the list for the $1200.
I don't think it applies to the current situation but I have some experience with filing for and drawing unemployment. I filed in Alaska a few times over the years. If you lose your job through no fault of your own you are eligible for unemployment from day one. If you quit your job there is a six week penalty and then you are eligible. Sometimes I would have to wait out the six weeks before getting the checks. What this means is that instead of being eligible for 6 months of unemployment I was eligible for just 4.5 months.
One year I quit a job in Alaska. And I filed for unemployment in Washington. Their laws were different. If you lose your job through no fault of your own you are eligible from day one. But if you quit your job you are not eligible for unemployment at all. They told me I had to go back to work for 7 weeks to be eligible for unemployment again.
WHEN FILING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT YOU ARE GOVERNED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE YOU FILED IN. I never made the mistake of quiting a job, no matter which state I worked in, then filing for unemployment in Washington again. Sometimes I worked in Washington then filed for the unemployment in Alaska. They couldn't deny me because I was under Alaska law.
I found out about 1992 that Nevada had the same law as Alaska. It was just a six week penalty. So I started filing in Nevada too.
Another unemployment snafu you can run into is were you sick. When putting in your claim every two weeks you may run into questions about whether you were sick or not in that two week period. YOU ALWAYS ANSWER NO. If you were sick enough that you would have stayed home from work then you are not eligible for unemployment for those days you were sick. You have to be able to work in that two week period to be able to draw unemployment for it.
In hindsight, that "Free," $1,000 did seem to good to be true. Like you and MOST other Americans I assumed that $1,000 checks were just going to be automatically given with no legwork. Having to actually do effort to claim that $1,000 and wait to be approved actually DOES make a lot of sense considering the fact that there are MANY people who do not actually deserve that $1,000 such as people who weren't laid off from work. Like me. Technically I do not deserve that extra $1,000 since I didn't lose my job. The lazy 25 year old who is Leeching off of his Working Parents doesn't deserve the $1,000. I said "Lazy," not "Traumatized ?, Sick or Disabled(Someone who has PTSD and has trouble working has a valuable reason not to be working and someone who has Severe Mental issues such as Schizophrenia or someone who has severe Medical issues such as Cancer or is wheelchair bound, etc have valid reasobs to not be working)does NOT deserve the $1,000 because he is just a Leech willingly living off of his Working Parents. People who absolutely deserve the $1,000 are people who were suddenly Unemployed due to Covid-19 forcing their Workplaces to be shut down.
Tasha you are confusing two things, the $1200 (originally proposed at $1000) direct payment to all adult citizens and expanded unemployment benefits. They are separate things but both part of the same Coronavirus relief package recently passed.
Expanded unemployment is just that. Expanded eligibility and benefits amounts for the first 4 months for people effected by the coronavirus, meaning can no longer work. The $1200 direct payments go to every citizen, who has a social security number, whether you continue to work or not. The only qualification is earning less than $75,000 (or 99,000 for reduced direct payment).
So YOU should qualify for the $1200 direct payment no matter what. And if you filed a tax return in either 2019 or 2018, you don't have to do anything at all to get that money. If your income is so low that you are not required to file taxes, you still qualify, but it becomes a problem for the government finding you and getting the money to you, so if that is your situation, you may want to go ahead and quickly file your 2019 taxes. This is the group of people that if there is no tax info on hand, may have to wait longer to get a check by mail. But YOU should get that direct payment no matter what.
This brings up another situation that I have been wondering about (no longer related to Tasha). Homeless people and people that have dropped off the grid like that are eligible for the $1200 direct payment, as long as they are a citizen and have a social security number. I wonder how the government is going to go about finding such people and getting a check to them?
Mr Kewlj you answered your own question about the homeless. If they are off the grid they don't get a check. There are homeless people with SS numbers and even bank accounts and cell phones.
AARP taking credit for SS recipients getting direct deposits on the Economic Impact Payments.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrU...RVvA8AVemO38c-
MN for unemployment had to be employed by employer for 90 days and laid off/fired through no fault to be eligible. In markets where labor is easy to find people who an employer has any question whatsoever about get canned at about 80 days all the time as a result.
I get that this is a unique situation but allowing anyone who still has a job and says they feel concerned about safety to quit voluntarily and collect is ripe for unintended consequences dwarfing any possible benefit, especially since a good chunk of blue collar and retail people can make more money not being employed than being employed with the supplement. Should any nurse or doctor who wants to be able to quit voluntarily and collect unemployment until this is over when they’re in more demand than ever?
Of course doctors and nurses make more that, that is not what I said at all. They’re not blue collar and retail jobs. If they were able to collect unemployment just because, and wanted to, they would also easily be able to find a job at another medical facility always plenty of demand.
According to my news Source, the people on here who were saying that everyone who filed income taxes in 2018 will be getting money back on Direct Deposit, were right. My news source says the $1200 handouts will. E starting next week. :)starting next week. Hopefully, the $1200 does not go on the Account that received the return in 2018 since the Bank Account I got my refund on in 2018 is now a closed Bank Account. :/ Hopefully, the $1200 will go on the Account where the 2020 Refund money was received since that Bank Account is still open for me. :)
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so the IRS started sending out the $1200 relief/stimulous payments yesterday. I have not received mine yet. Just wondering if anyone here did?
Im thinking they will be dropped as separate deposits. But I didn’t read anything either way. I personally lost out because I filed my 2019 return early due to selling the business. If it went on 2018 I would have gotten something by being married and a joint income.
I don't think you will get the relief payment the same day as your regular SS. I am pretty sure it will be separate.
And if Wednesdays are a day that SS payments are received for some people (what is it the third wed of the month?) then that is probably a day that the relief payments will not be going out to anyone. So those of us looking for a payment next week, my money is on Monday or Tuesday or not until the end of the week. Wednesday will be reserved for normal SS payments
I have heard of a few people like that. I actually lucked out the other way. If they had used my 2018, I wouldn't have qualified, but by 2019, which I had already filed, I do. (2019 was not as strong as 2018).
This seems crazy to me that someone would or wouldn't qualify depending on if they just had happened to file 2019 early or not. Also doesn't seem right that someone who happened to have a big payday due to circumstances like yours, selling a business should be penalized. Probably a result of this thing being rushed through without thinking everything out. You know the original plan was Mitt Romney's $1000 for every American. Maybe they should have just kept things simple. Like Blackjack counts, keeping it simple is sometimes best. :)
I did read where this is actually going to be considered an advance that will be filed on your 2020 tax returns. Still free money, but will be a line on the return. So possibly I would get a tax credit for the amount if my 2020 income would qualify me. It kind of makes sense as it is to help people in 2020. But it seems it’s ever changing so time will tell. I kept my accountant for multiple reasons so he will be on top of it. I’m not too proud to take it if I qualify for it, which my 2020 income definitely will.
So, I guess I make too much. But, I'm married and my wife makes zero. Because combined (joint tax return) we make less than $150k, we each get the $1200? And $500 for our son?
I got mine. It is a pending deposit in my checking account.
Aren't you on Social security, MWP? It was my understand that SS recipients were going to be in the second wave of direct payments later this week after the first wave which was supposed to be those of us that had filed Tax returns? Leave it to MWP, butting in line getting his! :D
I am kidding MWP. Good for you and good that payments have started going out in a timely fashion. I mean it has literally been 2 weeks since the bill was signed and payments are going out. That is remarkably fast for this kind of thing. Kudos to the Treasury Dept and Mr. Mnuchin.
Maybe we should take redietz' tact and attribute the promptness of the payments to the president. If he is responsible for the bad stuff then he must be responsible for the good stuff, right redietz? But no, redietz line would be they were prompt in spite of the president.
I still haven't received my $1200. Treasury department says a good number have already gone out to people that had already filed their taxes (that's me). I know some others have received. This got me thinking that despite that I have filed, the IRS or Treasury has no banking information on me because I do not get a refund. I owed taxes which I paid.
I briefly looked at the treasury website last night and saw this portal (posted above) for non filers, to enter their banking info, but that is not me either. I am a filer, just don't get a refund. So today's mission will be for me to try to figure out how I might go about getting my banking info (routing number and check acct number) to the IRS/treasury department so I can receive my payment. Anyone having any ideas or info (Andrew, you seem to have looked into some of this stuff), please advise.
The IRS plans to open an online web portal within days. It doesn't look like it is up and running yet.
https://www.cnet.com/personal-financ...-what-to-know/
https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/econ...mpact-payments
Thanks Midwest Player and straightbuthating, I will keep an eye out for updates.
The IRS should be putting out a link, any day now, call Get My Payment. It’s for those who filed, but paid taxes, therefore the IRS does not have a bank account number to forward the stimulus check. Your bank account number goes there. I’m on the lookout too for this.
https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/econ...mpact-payments
Non-Filers:there is a section for the non-filers where you could put your bank routing info if you want. The IRS states on the online form that if you don't put this routing info in, then they mail you your check with the address you provided in your online non-filers submission - it will just take longer for you to get your check than for direct deposit obviously.
Hmm. Maybe I could get my Stimulus Check deposited into my CURRENT bank Account because the Bank Account I received my 2019 Refund in is now closed. It would suck really bad to get a Stimulus Check deposited into a bank Account that technically doesn't exist anymore. Edit. The Bank Account is closed due to an overdraft I had. In 2019, there were absolutely no thoughts of a Countrywide Stimulus checks, so there was no way I would have ever have known that this closed bank Account could cause me problems with a Stimulus Check in 2020.
hopefully it didn't close due to arrears, because banks are allowed to withhold your stimulus check to pay off current balances, at their discretion:
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/ban...eck-pay-debts/
Well Rob, you are making light of a concept you either don't understand or maybe just pretend not to understand I am not quite sure. But this is exactly what I have been doing! :)
Let me explain. Last year I spend about 3 months in the fall towards winter, on a different AP project, blackjack related, but it wasn't card counting. So when December rolled around, my annual numbers from card counter were down a but, because I had devoted so much time to the other project. So I decide to use the final few weeks in December, to squeeze in some final card counting play. It so happens after the rodeo leaves town the second week in December is really good card counting conditions.
So as variance (not luck) would have it, I went backwards in the final weeks instead up bumping my results for the good. So for those final few weeks, I lost roughly 10 grand, but because conditions were good, I got in a lot of good play, good strong +EV. Just the scenario you joke about. "Banked EV".
And end of year!
So the clock strikes 2020, and I get off to a good start playing blackjack. Not great, not the best start I ever experienced, but a good start, above accumulated Ev or expectation for the 2+ months until this virus disrupted all of our lives. So that 2+ months above expectation or accumulated EV....that was results catching up to last December's "banked EV". Just the way it is supposed to work. :cool: Thanks for helping me explain it, Rob. :)
More idiots that will waste their stimulus check on new TV’s, I-Phones and oversized Rims.
This is your tax dollars at work.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/large...-at-home-order
“More than 100 people gathered outside an affordable housing complex in the Florida Panhandle for an Easter cookout Sunday, defying social distancing measures amid the coronavirus outbreak before police arrived to break up the scene.”
maybe theyre just getting inoculated to stay ahead of the mutations
A better link with a video of the local news report.
https://weartv.com/news/coronavirus/...ety-guidelines
“Why are we going to be scared to come outside when we don’t even know what we’re looking for?" said Wilbert McNeal, one of the party's organizers. "Corona, COVID-19 -- it ain’t coming this way.”
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I got an Email from my CURRENT bank telling me I could register my prepaid Bank card to the IRS for that $1200 if the IRS didn't already have my Prepaid Bank card on file(The IRS shouldn't have that card on file, especially since my CURRENT Bank Account didn't exist when I filed my 2019 Tax Returns. On a side note, shouldn't that $1200 go into my CHECKING ACCOUNT and not my PREPAID Bank Card? :/
Anyone reading that rap who didn't already know your propensity for concocting odd tales on the internet would think you're a crackpot. I can see why redietz and you like each other so much: you both come up with weird stories to try and fit the situation.
But I'd still love to be the next customer in line at the store when you tell the cashier "I'm not able to pay with cash or credit cards today but I'll be happy to offer you either some of my banked EV, or a local AP's best friend--phantom bucks!"
The “Get My Payment” is up on the IRS website. For those who filed, but did not submit a bank acct.
My brother who is on SS got $1200 deposited into his bank account yesterday. Today All I got was my regular SS amount.
I like our Rhode Island flag. Good message.
IRS launched site to check status, however it appears to be jammed or crashed at this point.
https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/get-my-payment
Not sure what you are complaining about?
It was only a couple weeks ago you were bashing France for shutting down their country.
I thought you were of the mindset that this was a bunch of bullshit and we need to open back up.
I thought you were about civil liberties and freedom of choice?
Do you want us to open up and take our chances or do you want more Government Control?
This idea that you can have both is not possible.
Do you really believe your tax dollars go to the minorities???
You can trust that most of everyone's tax dollars goes to politicians pockets, budgets and many other shell organizations.
The percentage of tax dollars that actually get into public hands is minuscule at best.
so we are all in the same boat....unable to determine our eligibility. ;)