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Excellent post! The first 5 wives all have to give him alimony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
Would the fat lady perhaps be your 6th wife?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGYou are correct Mr Crimm. We saw a receipt. If you want to believe this is a valid receipt then go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The fat lady has sung. Again. And again.
I hope this curse does not last for 50 years after Rob's death like two other owners of websites that you have previously cursed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJHonestly dannyj, yes I do want blood. Not blood per say, but I want it on record for everyone that ever runs across the name Rob Singer to know that he is an internet troll that trolled the AP community for years, for decades with his math defying bullshit claims. If 1 person out of a million, hears of him, reads something and finds him 10% credible that it too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjI have.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What do you want blood?
And I accept that this is vindictive of me. I am not completely proud of it, but I accept it. It is what it is.
All the assholes who are saying, as well as thinking that mickeycrimm really believes, or cares and is fully involved in Singer's story and the outcome does not know mickeycrimm. Like everyone else mickey is just waiting for an outcome. Wherever it ends does not affect anyone here except maybe KJ. This is just a big game about getting people agitated, and all worked up.
If it's a game to get people worked up then it's pretty sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Considering his action in this thread represents greater than 15% of the posts, I'd say he is fully involved. Considering there is probably a dozen or more participants in the thread so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Posting these bogus papers is not waiting for an outcome. It is facilitating and contributing to the spreading of more Singer lies. It's actually a damn shame watching Mickey get used as Singer's bitch.
How about this idea, 13 members of the board all chip in and be co-owners of that Newel that Singer posed in. All co-owners get to use the RV for 4 weeks each. Accountinquestion will draw up all the paperwork since he appears to be an expert in such matters. Think we have forum battles now let's try that out.
Maybe an expert in rolling papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Alan, I'm saying I don't know if I was right or wrong on the DUB. But here's the thing. I'm not hung up on it like some people around here. I really don't care one way or the other. It has no effect on my life whether Rob worked the DUB or not. With you guys its a matter of life and death. Thats the effect Singer has on you guys. He'll have hooks in your noses until the day you die.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
How do you like the way Singer used his 9.5 and manipulated his Shackleford puppet to get a full blown interview on the Wizard's Live Stream. And of course, he manipulated you with his 9.5 to get you to watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenThings went really against him. He's pretending to be on the road after getting a flat 7 miles from home. He's manipulating his Mickey puppet using the full 9.5" trying to see if there is anything salvageable to this story. The show must go on:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Wizard did an interview and today published the receipt so he is the main culprit that facilitated Singer lies. If you are going to blame someone you need to start at the top. You really are a bag of shit, penn. No redeeming qualities. Just a maggot piece of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenConsidering his action in this thread represents greater than 15% of the posts, I'd say he is fully involved. Considering there is probably a dozen or more participants in the thread so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Posting these bogus papers is not waiting for an outcome. It is facilitating and contributing to the spreading of more Singer lies. It's actually a damn shame watching Mickey get used as Singer's bitch.
Most of that 15% is defending myself against gratuitous attacks by maggots like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenConsidering his action in this thread represents greater than 15% of the posts, I'd say he is fully involved. Considering there is probably a dozen or more participants in the thread so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Posting these bogus papers is not waiting for an outcome. It is facilitating and contributing to the spreading of more Singer lies. It's actually a damn shame watching Mickey get used as Singer's bitch.
On the receipt it says the vehicle will be registered in Hanson County, South Dakota. KJocchio and others who looked into Rob's background should have seen his Emery, South Dakota address. Emery is in Hanson County. The sale would have taken place 8 years ago.
When I looked into Rob's background I seen the Emery, South Dakota address and thought it was strange. When questioned about it Rob said it was a good summer spot, fairly close to his kids, and he registered his RV(s)'s there because it was so cheap compared to other states. He made these claims right here on VCT a few years ago.
I propose a wager between the Singer doubters and Rob Singer on this RV controversy. How about 10 Grand each? Let's solve this once and for all. Who's in? Rob? Singer Doubters? We'll get Anthony Curtis to hold the money with a small rake. Should be easy money for all you big time gamblers.
Are you serious? There is no doubt that the pics of Rob in "his" Newell is a big lie. I'm in for the bet. But it's never going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
Sad...... LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You went from a respected machine hustler to a washed up troll's bitchboy. Congrats.
I am in!Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
For Rob to win, he has to drive to Las Vegas in the RV, and show the RV and registration to me, Anthony Curtis and whoever else is part of the wager. Anything short of that and he losses. I will even spring for the gas money. 300 miles @ 5 miles a gallon is 60 gallons of gas x 2 ways is 120 gallons. Lets make it an even $300 for gas.
But the money has to be deposited ahead of time. I can make arrangements with Anthony as early as this weekend.
I would like to go a little more than 10 grand, maybe as much as 50 grand, but want to give other that may be interested a chance to get a piece of the action.
I don't know when Rob sent this receipt to Mike, but I'd just like to toss it out there that he took my suggestion of faking a receipt with a word processor (from the Big Hurt thread):
It seems that after Rob wasted the time to drive to a dealership, dragging his wife along, pretending to be interested in buying an RV only to take photos inside and pretend it was his–clowning himself across two forums–he might've seen my suggestion and realized it would've been easier to fake the receipt than the interior of "his" Newell Coach. The timing certainly lines up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOATshoesThis is so funny too, because it'd be so much easier to just fake the receipt. He could download a template for Microsoft word, fill it, print it out, and scan it or take a pic. Easy. No Photoshop needed. It would've taken 15 minutes tops. Nope, instead he went to all this effort to take obvious showroom photos. Classic! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The problem is that the staged photos are already out there now. The fake receipt should have been his first step in attempting to prove ownership. If that didn't work, he could have used his classic trolling and obfuscation techniques. Much like how he's had an answer for all the objections to the DU bug story.
He's had plenty of time to do research and make a legitimate looking receipt since the fake pics were posted, but he didn't make it work for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Two signatures on one line, no logos, etc. As I said, you don't have to be an expert in Photoshop for this. Rob's troll game is slipping.
Did Rob take advice from a first time poster here? Who knows. But it's funny to think about. I said it in my first post and I'll say it again:
Wise up Rob!
You know what. Based on todays developments, I want to amend my conditions. I can see Rob printing out a very phony looking registration. I am going to need the registration verified as real by maybe a notary or DVM representative. I will pay the fee for such a service.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The hook in his cock probably came from beating you upside the face with it for so many years. We really don't need anymore details though. Next you'll be telling us whether it bends left or right. You should just keep it in your ass where it seems to be fitting like a glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
My conditions are easier. Just show up in the posted Newell or the 2011 copy....LMAO....The registration and title can even have the kid's name on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou know what. Based on todays developments, I want to amend my conditions. I can see Rob printing out a very phony looking registration. I am going to need the registration verified as real by maybe a notary or DVM representative. I will pay the fee for such a service.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Yeah, but let us know which you prefer ahead of time, so Rob's wife has time to print out the form and fill in the correct names. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I'm also willing to side bet that Rob's wife didn't take those embarrassing pics. With another bet that if she did take the pics she is is not aware of the shenanigans her sad sack of a husband is up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOATshoesI don't know when Rob sent this receipt to Mike, but I'd just like to toss it out there that he took my suggestion of faking a receipt with a word processor (from the Big Hurt thread):
It seems that after Rob wasted the time to drive to a dealership, dragging his wife along, pretending to be interested in buying an RV only to take photos inside and pretend it was his–clowning himself across two forums–he might've seen my suggestion and realized it would've been easier to fake the receipt than the interior of "his" Newell Coach. The timing certainly lines up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOATshoesThis is so funny too, because it'd be so much easier to just fake the receipt. He could download a template for Microsoft word, fill it, print it out, and scan it or take a pic. Easy. No Photoshop needed. It would've taken 15 minutes tops. Nope, instead he went to all this effort to take obvious showroom photos. Classic! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The problem is that the staged photos are already out there now. The fake receipt should have been his first step in attempting to prove ownership. If that didn't work, he could have used his classic trolling and obfuscation techniques. Much like how he's had an answer for all the objections to the DU bug story.
He's had plenty of time to do research and make a legitimate looking receipt since the fake pics were posted, but he didn't make it work for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Two signatures on one line, no logos, etc. As I said, you don't have to be an expert in Photoshop for this. Rob's troll game is slipping.
Did Rob take advice from a first time poster here? Who knows. But it's funny to think about. I said it in my first post and I'll say it again:
Wise up Rob!
Yeah, you know what, I don't know why I am thinking his wife filled out that phony bill of sales receipt. She is probably a very decent person (despite bad judgement early in life). The handwriting on that sales receipt is not that of a woman. It is most definitely a man....like a 71 year old man with a shaky hand and bad handwriting. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I'm sure we can come up with something that everyone will agree proves that Rob has been living in this luxury RV for years. Here's all we need to do to make this happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMy conditions are easier. Just show up in the posted Newell or the 2011 copy....LMAO....The registration and title can even have the kid's name on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou know what. Based on todays developments, I want to amend my conditions. I can see Rob printing out a very phony looking registration. I am going to need the registration verified as real by maybe a notary or DVM representative. I will pay the fee for such a service.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
1. Rob to agree to participate
2. Identify all of the Singer Denier participants
3. Come to an agreement on what constitutes proof. There are actually attorneys who specialize in vehicle titles who I'm sure could trace ownership and certify the ownership history. That cost will come off the top of the bets.
4. Get Anthony to hold the bets
5. Everyone put up the money.
6. Rob produces and gets paid or if he can't, the deniers get paid.
Where is Rob anyway? He's kind of an important part of this. Hey Rob! Are you there? How much action do you want to cover on this? 100K? More? KJ's in for 50K. Who else wants to bet against Rob and how much? Let's get this party started.
I will go anywhere from 20 to 50k. I want to give anyone else interested a chance to get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
Also, Anthony Curtis is fine, I am fine with him, but I also would find Michael Shackleford a very acceptable middleman. I mean Shack is already sort of involved or at least knows of everything that has happened so far. Either way is fine with me.
But before anyone gets too excited, let me tell you how this will play out because we have been here before many, many times. Rob will come up with some ridiculous condition that he knows can't or won't be met. And then when know one agrees, he will declare victory. We all have seen this playbook too many times. ;)
I am sorry to do this, but I am sitting here on a Friday night having a couple beers, thinking and laughing about not only today's latest development, but this whole recent charade.
Let's recap just from when Alan, roped Rob into the interview that made him look so bad. By the end of that night, in addition to those of us that have been calling for proof for a year now, Michael Shackleford and Dan Druff both basically called for Rob to show something.
So with the pressure mounting Rob drove to a dealership 7 miles from his home, pretending to be a perspective buyer. Took pictures of himself or had someone take pictures of him in a similar RV, (the year was off by 3 years). Very "staged" pcitures, obviously of a showroom RV with no personal effects. I mean how lame is that right there?
When he was caught with the staged pictures of a showroom RV, Rob took it to the next step and produced, through his accomplice, a phony "generic" receipt printed out from the internet, again with no company letterhead or logo. And no state seal that was required. And no identifiable name of the representative of the company.
I mean seriously....how funny is this shit? ;) You couldn't make this shit up! The lengths this now desperate troll will go to. While laughingly funny, also very sad.
Apparently, even the bedspread, squeeze and pillows.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenUnless 2 identical Newells were commissioned by a buyer to be identical there is not a chance that there are 2 alike. They take custom to the next level. There is no such thing as a like kind model. The buyers choose everything to their liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe interior of the RV you posted doesn't match the interior of the one Rob posed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
If the bet is big enough, and the money can be verified as deposited in an escrow account, Mr Singer will have no trouble finding "investors" to front him the money to buy the RV to show up in.
But, will he be able to backdate a title and proof of registration?
Caution Will Robinson.
Andrew? How old r u? 67? 69? something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
I am in my 30's and even I know it is "Danger, Danger Will Robinson!"
Doesn't even matter. wait to you see the condition (that can't possibly be met) that Rob places on this wager. It is his only way out.
When Rob inevitably does return–because we know he has no shame–he will try to play this off as some elaborate troll. The staged photos/receipt didn't work, so now he'll say something like he just did it to see how obsessed everyone else is. As if it's not an act of obsession to drive to an RV dealership, pretend to be interested in buying an 6-figure RV, take blatantly fake photos, and waste a salesperson's time to score internet points.
Yes I know it's danger. But right now it's be cautious. Mr Singer could win a big bet.
I'm willing to pay for DNA results from the black water tank if it comes to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
We already know who owned/owns the RV he is claiming is his.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Proof is easy. Take a picture of the Kitchen/table area with some jigsaw puzzles and magazines on the table. Take a picture of Rob in the drivers eat while showing the unique black line in the wood floor. Put a water bottle in the picture and have him holding the steering wheel this time. Lastly, toss some soap and shampoo in the shower and take a picture now that it has been used. And, yes, please move the squeegee.
The same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYeah, you know what, I don't know why I am thinking his wife filled out that phony bill of sales receipt. She is probably a very decent person (despite bad judgement early in life). The handwriting on that sales receipt is not that of a woman. It is most definitely a man....like a 71 year old man with a shaky hand and bad handwriting. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I actually think the same person signed everything.
You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.
The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
perhaps a picture of him taking a big dump in the middle of the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
All valid points Axel. Btw, I referenced the similar "C"s 9 hours ago (post #20). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfThe same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYeah, you know what, I don't know why I am thinking his wife filled out that phony bill of sales receipt. She is probably a very decent person (despite bad judgement early in life). The handwriting on that sales receipt is not that of a woman. It is most definitely a man....like a 71 year old man with a shaky hand and bad handwriting. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I actually think the same person signed everything.
You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.
The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
The sellers signature and no written name is clearly an attempt to be sure no one would be able to attempt to look up the person for verification.
How about some insurance papers and a license plate that match up with everything?
Serious question- are you a homosexual?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfThe same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYeah, you know what, I don't know why I am thinking his wife filled out that phony bill of sales receipt. She is probably a very decent person (despite bad judgement early in life). The handwriting on that sales receipt is not that of a woman. It is most definitely a man....like a 71 year old man with a shaky hand and bad handwriting. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I actually think the same person signed everything.
You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.
The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
Axel, you nailed everything I had written down. My only addition is that if a female uses the old style cursive "L" in the middle initial, then they would likely use the old style "A" to start the last name. Since the first "Argentino" used the old styled "A" things were changed for the second signature (a printed style "A"). There was confusion in the second signing of "Argentino". After the "A" the rg was natural (identical to the first name) then came a correction and a large case "E". Sorry, no one does that in a signature.
Come on now, you damn well know that no one is reading all of your posts to their entirety. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAll valid points Axel. Btw, I referenced the similar "C"s 9 hours ago (post #20). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfThe same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I actually think the same person signed everything.
You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.
The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
The sellers signature and no written name is clearly an attempt to be sure no one would be able to attempt to look up the person for verification.
it was 3 whole lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfCome on now, you damn well know that no one is reading all of your posts to their entirety. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAll valid points Axel. Btw, I referenced the similar "C"s 9 hours ago (post #20). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The sellers signature and no written name is clearly an attempt to be sure no one would be able to attempt to look up the person for verification.
Oh, I'm sure there's tons more not evenQuote:
Originally Posted by Deech
Worth mentioning. They had me at the C.
I posted up on Wizard of Vegas. Handwriting expert: "Easiest money I've ever made!" "I guess they were trying to get caught?"
I was thinking about the "wanting to get caught thing" earlier. I don't think Rob wanted to be caught because he told Mike "that he just had to tell someone". If that is the case, he surely wanted those people (us) to believe him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I think what happened is Rob really thought the pictures in the RV would seal the deal. That is the part he misjudged. This thing today, he probably didn't think would fly, but had to try. It just smacks of desperation. I mean 20 years of work is going down the drain. That's why he didn't even post it, he had mickey do it.
The phony pictures was a good try. But this today, is amature hour.
Why, are you looking for a date? If so, you need to keep looking elsewhere, because the serious answer is no, not even Bi curious or whatever they're saying nowadays. But, If I was, I would be proud since I'm fairly certain people are born that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneSerious question- are you a homosexual?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfThe same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I actually think the same person signed everything.
You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.
The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
Just out of curiosity, why did that particular post prompt such a question? Is it so scary close to being accurate that some type of criticism must follow? Perhaps gay people have a special ability to detect forgeries?
This episode of As Grandpa Newell's Dreams Turn seems to be coming to a close.
How much longer until stageboy Mickey rides in on the Singer bologna pony with the storyline for the next episode?
I'm getting the popcorn ready.....GOAT
I'm not sure which is more hilarious. This new "bet" here or Don S. and Eliot J. feuding on bjtf.
Oh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.
The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
link please.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.
The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
Unlike a piss poor hustler like you I use legitimate strategy and all available information. It's clear you don't use all available information. That makes you a donkey. Why are you afraid of information? You've pretty much shit all over your reputation....which wasn't much to begin with, Mr. nickel hustler.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenSad...... LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You went from a respected machine hustler to a washed up troll's bitchboy. Congrats.
He offeredd to let you see it in Boulder. You could have ended everything right then by going and seeing whether he had it or not. But no you punked out like you always do. Have you forgotten that Rob said the RV will be available for inspection in Phoenix this fall when he puts it up for sale. We'll see what kind of excuse you use then.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI am in!Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
For Rob to win, he has to drive to Las Vegas in the RV, and show the RV and registration to me, Anthony Curtis and whoever else is part of the wager. Anything short of that and he losses. I will even spring for the gas money. 300 miles @ 5 miles a gallon is 60 gallons of gas x 2 ways is 120 gallons. Lets make it an even $300 for gas.
But the money has to be deposited ahead of time. I can make arrangements with Anthony as early as this weekend.
I would like to go a little more than 10 grand, maybe as much as 50 grand, but want to give other that may be interested a chance to get a piece of the action.
Hey, KJ's top. How often do you and KJocchio hook up? Twice a week. So you like chewing on KJ's cock after he's had it up your ass? That's great, mr. flunky hustler.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenThe hook in his cock probably came from beating you upside the face with it for so many years. We really don't need anymore details though. Next you'll be telling us whether it bends left or right. You should just keep it in your ass where it seems to be fitting like a glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Hey, I have an idea. Since Rob is going to sell the RV why dont' you make him an offer on it?....Oh, yeah, thats right, takes money to do that. You don't have any. Don't worry. The LV casinos will be opening soon and you can go back to hustling credits.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMy conditions are easier. Just show up in the posted Newell or the 2011 copy....LMAO....The registration and title can even have the kid's name on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou know what. Based on todays developments, I want to amend my conditions. I can see Rob printing out a very phony looking registration. I am going to need the registration verified as real by maybe a notary or DVM representative. I will pay the fee for such a service.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Like I said, Rob has a big hook in your nose. Your every waking moment is thinking of him. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Anyone have any guesses as to who this goatshoes sockpuppet is?Quote:
Originally Posted by GOATshoes
Shackleford was the first to post the pics of the receipt.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI was thinking about the "wanting to get caught thing" earlier. I don't think Rob wanted to be caught because he told Mike "that he just had to tell someone". If that is the case, he surely wanted those people (us) to believe him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I think what happened is Rob really thought the pictures in the RV would seal the deal. That is the part he misjudged. This thing today, he probably didn't think would fly, but had to try. It just smacks of desperation. I mean 20 years of work is going down the drain. That's why he didn't even post it, he had mickey do it.
The phony pictures was a good try. But this today, is amature hour.
Mickey, not that I care much, but I’m surprised anybody at this stage of the game holds out any hope that Rob owns a Newell. If he owns a Newell, why did he go to a RV dealership in Phoenix and pose as a model in one that wasn’t his. Why not model in the one that he claims he owns?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHe offeredd to let you see it in Boulder. You could have ended everything right then by going and seeing whether he had it or not. But no you punked out like you always do. Have you forgotten that Rob said the RV will be available for inspection in Phoenix this fall when he puts it up for sale. We'll see what kind of excuse you use then.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI am in!Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
For Rob to win, he has to drive to Las Vegas in the RV, and show the RV and registration to me, Anthony Curtis and whoever else is part of the wager. Anything short of that and he losses. I will even spring for the gas money. 300 miles @ 5 miles a gallon is 60 gallons of gas x 2 ways is 120 gallons. Lets make it an even $300 for gas.
But the money has to be deposited ahead of time. I can make arrangements with Anthony as early as this weekend.
I would like to go a little more than 10 grand, maybe as much as 50 grand, but want to give other that may be interested a chance to get a piece of the action.
I’m also surprised anybody cares about this sales receipt so much. I guess there wasn’t much to do today and it’s fun to pick apart Rob’s latest attempt at showing he owns a Newell. I would think that question was settled long ago with the For Sale 2008 Newell photos.
This thread has exploided to over 100 posts in less than a day, so it shows how much interest there is in this story, even though it was pretty settled with the photos.
At least it made Kj come back from the dead like Lazarus. I really believe the only thing that gives Kj’s life meaning is his relationship with Rob. That’s sad.
Damn, 1 day away and look what I miss.
Count me as closer to Mickey in that I’m still not sure. And still consider it possible Singer is fucking with everyone. Just not in the way many are thinking.
I will say if people are willing to wager significant money, it isn’t hard to prove. Even without a wager, the way it is bothering some, get in a car or plane and go meet him. The hell with terms and details, either he or a close family member owns the RV listed on the sales slip or they don’t.
Surely a small amount to spent to prove the guy a liar once and for all. That would be priceless to a few for some reason.
Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.
That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.
By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
You just strike me as one...no problem tho, carry onQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWhy, are you looking for a date? If so, you need to keep looking elsewhere, because the serious answer is no, not even Bi curious or whatever they're saying nowadays. But, If I was, I would be proud since I'm fairly certain people are born that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneSerious question- are you a homosexual?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Just out of curiosity, why did that particular post prompt such a question? Is it so scary close to being accurate that some type of criticism must follow? Perhaps gay people have a special ability to detect forgeries?
I actually un-banned MickeyCrimm in order to view this thread. I assume our past feud was reactionary on both sides and water under the bridge, but in any case the title was too provocative and I had to see its content.
It’s clear that whatever motorhome Rob posted before is the for-sale one that MaxPen unearthed. Also, the pictures of 2011 P2000I Newells I saw online didn’t look anything like the one Rob was lounging in, so that one he showed a pic of was more like a 2008.
It’s absurd to assume that Rob is pulling all this as a hoax to get a reaction. Even if he were doing that for the benefit of his “friends” at VCT, I can’t see him providing all this to the Wizard other than to try to prove himself. If he wasn’t interested in proving himself why would he have bothered to submit to a second WOV interview? No, this is not a deliberate farce, Rob wants us to believe that he really does own a 2011 Newell and really did pay over a million for it in 2013, and this is its purchase contract.
I’ll leave the forensic analysis of the document to others, who seem to have already picked it apart. I’ll say that it seems written by a Hunter S. Thompson-esque hand, what With The Capitalization Of Every Word In Some Sentences, and not at all in others. I also noticed that on page one it defines the Argentinos as the “Purchaser” but keeps referring to them as “Buyers” on page two. It’s also odd, for a legal document, that page one refers to the motor home’s having “Only [Capitalized :)] 1602 Miles” as if written for the benefit of anyone someday viewing this document, versus just stating something for the record ‘1602 miles’ (not “only” :D) in a legal document.
He’s on the road, traveling, far from home, and he keeps a copy of his bill of sale from seven years ago in the glove box? Who travels with the title, isn’t that something we keep locked away safely not in the vehicle? So who wrote the ampersand ¢ between his and his wife’s signature? When I saw that I just assumed that he had signed for her, but if indeed page three of this is the notarization that wouldn’t fly, so assuming this thing is legit one of them wrote that ampersand in there. The whole document seems so hokey right down to the “Signed, Sealed, and Delivered” verbiage on the second page, that it’s in the category of whoppers that you almost just have to swallow because they are so excessive.
Anyway, setting aside the forensic analysis - the contract refers to a Cobra CB and a “55 TV Mounted Under Bedroom Murphy Bed.” I tried to visualize that under bed mounted TV – I could not. I recall that one of the very first in-casino pics I posted at WOV was of my entrance ticket into a $100,000. Baccarat invitational tournament. I placed a watch, my Day Date 40 Platinum, on the ticket to cover up my name and player number. Rob has mentioned that he has two Rolexes, a white gold President, and some other watch. How about in this neverending story he gives us a shot of the TV next to the WG President, and a shot of the CB next to his other Rolex, with clear enough shots so that we may confirm the devices and see if they are even 2011 latest models, which we gotta assume that the latest greatest models from 2011 - 2013, would be installed in a million plus coach bought in 2013. I mean a guy who travels with his million dollar pink slip has gotta travel with both of his Rolexes too, right?
Another flag is that he stuck to the $1.5M figure all this time, when it was “actually” $1.3M. That would be like my winning $26K and reporting it at WOV as $28K. Why? How does $1.5M sound so much better than $1.3M as to compel the need to fabricate the number? This also does not make sense.
With these sorts of things the devil is in the details. Broad strokes wise he’s coming up with such whoppers that he may have been hoping we'd just have to swallow them because sometimes the truly ridiculous whoppers are the hardest ones to verify one way or another, but if he may show us that 2011 model TV and 2011 model CB radio installed in that 2011 Newell next to his two Rolexes, that will back up this phony looking “Bill of Sale of Vehicle” more than anything he could say.
MDawg, good points! I’m now understanding why this story is so intriguing to so many people. It’s so bad and makes so little sense on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to even start.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
But Rob keeps it going. You really got to admire a guy who keeps going with a story no matter how much the odds are stacked against him. It reminds me of OJ still claiming he didn’t murder Nicole. Or that carton of a frog getting swallowed by a crane and the frog puts his hands around the crane’s throat so he won’t go down the throat and getting eaten.
The caption says “Don’t EVER give up!” This is Rob’s motto and you gotta love it no matter what side of the fence you’re on.
If you're using all available information to make a decision on Rob it's no wonder you're retired in some 2 bit apartment in Montana. After a lifetime of chasing nickel slot plays around the country. You're projecting your existence onto me with continuous Hee-Haws and it's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmUnlike a piss poor hustler like you I use legitimate strategy and all available information. It's clear you don't use all available information. That makes you a donkey. Why are you afraid of information? You've pretty much shit all over your reputation....which wasn't much to begin with, Mr. nickel hustler.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenSad...... LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You went from a respected machine hustler to a washed up troll's bitchboy. Congrats.
Page 2 of the "Desirability index" thread over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolflink please.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.
The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
Don has no room to talk, as he's buds with Max Rubin.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.
The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.
That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.
By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me of the $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
That logic is the reason Pop Tarts come with instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now it's for sale? Nice excuse for it to "vanish."
Never a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeI don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.
That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.
By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
Most of it is long gone, but one of the greatest of all time is still there...the banning of Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbNever a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeI don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/foru...ll-rob-singer/
My favorite post "If you ban Singer, he will become stronger than you can possibly imagine."
There was also a second later wager that came from the Free For All for 300K referenced here in 2011.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...and-he-accepts!!
So this could be Singer Challenge III. Has Rob been living in the Luxury Motorhome he claims. Who's in?
One thing I've noticed is that there is always one individual that go back and forth with Rob on many of the sites. There was Arci here, MKL on WoV, Shadowman on videopoker.com, and probably a few others elsewhere. Makes you wonder if those people were the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeMost of it is long gone, but one of the greatest of all time is still there...the banning of Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbNever a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/foru...ll-rob-singer/
My favorite post "If you ban Singer, he will become stronger than you can possibly imagine."
There was also a second later wager that came from the Free For All for 300K referenced here in 2011.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...and-he-accepts!!
So this could be Singer Challenge III. Has Rob been living in the Luxury Motorhome he claims. Who's in?
All of this has to do with being on a different board than you. After seeing for myself for years just how you try to dominate every aspect of a forum, just like you own the place, people can't help but lose some of their composure. You drive people nuts and disintegrate entire forums without even being aware of it. I would call you a LOCUST of the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeI don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.
That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.
By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.
Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.
Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.
Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.
This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.
Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
Hi Mickey. I’m not a sock, just a long time lurker who’s enjoying the way Rob’s story is blowing up after reading the saga for so long. If you think I’m a sock, I guess you could ask Dan Druff to compare my IP address to whoever you think my account is a sock for. I don’t have anything to hide as far as that’s concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
In all honesty it was your AP information and stories that brought me here in the first place, so I want to thank you for that! I found it all very fascinating and informative. And I mean that sincerely.
Pop Tarts come with instructions??Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Everyone knows you boil them for 3 minutes!
Bob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowmeI don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.
Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.
Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.
Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.
This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.
Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.
He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.
You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.
Then there is the cash problem at the RV dealership. Even if Mr Singer kept clean money as cash and accepted the risk of loss, the RV dealership would report the cash transaction.
These are just holes in his story that can't be filled with rational thinking or explanations.
He dug a hole for himself with his blanket explanation that he keeps no records longer than necessary.
You know what he'd also keep? Every service report on a million dollars plus RV because the next buyer will want to see them. It's like with a Rolls Royce: you don't buy a Rolls without the service records.
You must have read the edited by Mickey version of the instructions.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by monetPop Tarts come with instructions??Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Everyone knows you boil them for 3 minutes!
All his research info had him determine boiling is the most effective method of preparation.
AndrewG, really, how about two seniors worried about future health problems and having a nursing home bleading their life savings dry?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGBob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.
Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.
Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.
Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.
This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.
Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.
He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.
You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.
Andrew, good points! But your first point is wrong: "If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs." It doesn't matter if the big wins came with W2Gs or if they didn't, it's still "dirty money". If you don't believe me reread the wired article. Kane and Nester had to give back the money, and spend time in jail. It didn't matter that they got W2Gs with their big wins. This money was seen as "dirty" by our government. Kane and Nester ended up avoiding a long jail sentence, but they weren't able to keep the money. I think Kane was able to keep some of his, since he said he spent it or he hid it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGBob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by unowme
Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.
Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.
Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.
Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.
This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.
Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.
He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.
You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.
Then there is the cash problem at the RV dealership. Even if Mr Singer kept clean money as cash and accepted the risk of loss, the RV dealership would report the cash transaction.
These are just holes in his story that can't be filled with rational thinking or explanations.
He dug a hole for himself with his blanket explanation that he keeps no records longer than necessary.
You know what he'd also keep? Every service report on a million dollars plus RV because the next buyer will want to see them. It's like with a Rolls Royce: you don't buy a Rolls without the service records.
But make no bones about it, all the money "won" through the DUB was "dirty money". And it doesn't matter who "won" it that way, or how much was "won" at a time. Even though the machines had a bug in them that doesn't make it legal to exploit them. As many people on this site have already pointed out, if you find a bug in a ATM that spits out cash that doesn't make it legal to take it.
This would have been Rob's biggest problem if he truly exploited the DUB. How to get all this "dirty money" back into circulation? That's not easy. Ask all the big drug dealers. This is how they get caught many times. Trying to get "dirty money" make into circulation. Go try to make a deposit at a bank for $9,900 every day and see what happens. Even if you do it for less, it will set off alarm bells if large cash deposits happen regularly.
Note that Rob also said he won a lot of money without W2Gs. I mean theoretically, someone could win using the DUB without ever having to get a W2G. The DUB allowed you to win as much or as little as you wanted. As Nester said, it was like "printing money". If I was in the same situation, I'd have won a small amount over many casinos. It's not hard to see how someone could easily win $10,000 a day with the DUB and never get a W2G. But the trick would be getting it into circulation.
I'm surprised more people didn't bring this up. Once the DUB is found, the easy part is getting the money. The hard part is getting it into circulation so you can buy something big. Like you said, he would NOT have been able to go into a RV dealership and lay out $1.3 million in cash and buy a Newell. They would have had to report him, and he would have known that.
That's why I continue to say, if he really did it and made this amount of money, he'd have taken it to his grave, because all that money he "won" was "dirty", and he would have know that. There is no way any intelligent person would risk having this come back to bite him by bragging about it. The last thing anybody wants is the IRS sniffing in your finances.
Now if he didn't do it, then he has nothing to worry about. He can brag all he wants and make up any story he wants and nothing will happen to him. Nobody went to jail bragging about catching the biggest fish, or telling whoppers. All Rob is guilty of is telling whoppers, and that doesn't get you thrown in jail.
That's why the biggest tell that it didn't happen is Rob saying it did happen. If it did happen, I can assure you Rob or anybody in his position would take it to their grave, and never tell anybody.