Challenge to KJ over Singer

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by The Boz

For $20k? Jesus coach, I thought you would give me more credit than that.

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The play's not over yet...your bet was for a Newell.

Your mark wants that changed to the Newell in the photos.

The photos played a big part in gaining the marks' confidence...marks' (that's plural).

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So you think Singer owns a Newell, but took pictures in a fake Newell as part of a scam with me and Andrew to fuck Max out of $20k?

Jesus, I wish I was that smart. And was willing to fuck someone I respect out of his money over such a small amount to both of us.

Obviously you don’t know any of us. With the odds I listed and Max is willing to accept, it’s a coin flip in my mind. And most of us are willing to do that for entertainment. I guess we are in a different world.

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It's possible Singer does not own a Newell but took a picture of himself in a fake Newell. That doesn't mean a relative doesn't own a real Newell.

I'm sure you wouldn't think it fair for you to collect if the Newell in question was really purchased by his kid who lets Rob sit in it occasionally.

It also would not be fair for MaxPen to collect if the pictures were just Rob fucking around at an RV dealership and was not the Newell that Rob Purchased with his Double Up winnings that he has since given to a family member.

I think we're close. I'll go along with whatever you two decide.

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

Money: 1. Wife fat 2. Wife ugly 3. Wife pussy landfill.

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4. Wife slant eyed noodle slruper.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by The Boz

You really think I’m trying to Fuck you Max? Honestly?

2008 to 2013 Newell Motor Home. Is there even a toy model from those years? I have no clue if he fucked with all of us with the pictures. Hell he might of.

My wager stands as listed. And you know I’m not trying to fuck you out of $20k. You are the one going to look bad over this.

Ask Axel to come up with fair terms. I am confident he won’t fuck either of us over.

Let’s resolve this.

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How do I look bad? Does he or does he not own the Newell that he claims to? I say that wasn't his Newell and all this is fabricated Singer bullshit. If you believe he's fucking around with pictures how would this ever get resolved? Let's just set it up. Go see Rob in his 2011 with that interior and take the registration out of the glove box and show it with the kids name or whatever.

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My wager was and is he owns a Newell between the years listed as I put in post 1. Which I am more than willing to accept with you. Not sure why if you think he was lying all along about owning one you wouldn’t accept the wager.

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For $6k I could set something up with a Newell in that age range that would only be able to be disproved by verifying a title thru the State and would be convincing to almost any arbitrator.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Even for just $10,000 Singer can come up with a Newell and papers. For $100,000 locked in escrow it's a guarantee on a $600,000 rig.

Caution.

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As of the 20th as listed in the initial wager?

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Even for just $10,000 Singer can come up with a Newell and papers. For $100,000 locked in escrow it's a guarantee on a $600,000 rig.

Caution.

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As of the 20th as listed in the initial wager?

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Money makes things happen.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

How do I look bad? Does he or does he not own the Newell that he claims to? I say that wasn't his Newell and all this is fabricated Singer bullshit. If you believe he's fucking around with pictures how would this ever get resolved? Let's just set it up. Go see Rob in his 2011 with that interior and take the registration out of the glove box and show it with the kids name or whatever.

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My wager was and is he owns a Newell between the years listed as I put in post 1. Which I am more than willing to accept with you. Not sure why if you think he was lying all along about owning one you wouldn’t accept the wager.

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For $6k I could set something up with a Newell in that age range that would only be able to be disproved by verifying a title thru the State and would be convincing to almost any arbitrator.

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So no bet, as we always say never happens with this stuff. I thought we were close on this one.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

How do I look bad? Does he or does he not own the Newell that he claims to?

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You look bad because you are not willing to bet that Singer doesn't own a Newell...and that was Boz's bet to KJ that you hijacked.

Why won't you accept Boz's bet?

Rob's whining about the cost of operating the Newell. He could have taken 2 pics for $1k and that would have bought a tank of gas atleast.

Years ago I worked with an attorney who represented a con man. The con man set up a bank in the Bahamas and sold the best looking COUNTERFEIT corporate bonds that MONEY COULD BUY. There was no question he was guilty. The lawyer went to trial hoping for a conviction on a lesser charge.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

How do I look bad? Does he or does he not own the Newell that he claims to?

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You look bad because you are not willing to bet that Singer doesn't own a Newell...and that was Boz's bet to KJ that you hijacked.

Why won't you accept Boz's bet?

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I've explained why. It's too easy to fake. The bet size is multiples of what it would take to fake.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by The Boz

My wager was and is he owns a Newell between the years listed as I put in post 1. Which I am more than willing to accept with you. Not sure why if you think he was lying all along about owning one you wouldn’t accept the wager.

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For $6k I could set something up with a Newell in that age range that would only be able to be disproved by verifying a title thru the State and would be convincing to almost any arbitrator.

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So no bet, as we always say never happens with this stuff. I thought we were close on this one.

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Dang. I already spent my winnings. I've got a feeling Singer Challenge VI is just around the corner though.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Even for just $10,000 Singer can come up with a Newell and papers. For $100,000 locked in escrow it's a guarantee on a $600,000 rig.

Caution.

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You don't make sense...the bet's only for $20K.

This guy is obviously in on the con.

I will bet $5k to anyone's $2500 that Rob nor his kid's or kid's spouse owned a Newell between those years. It has to be a full size Newell motorcoach. And I have to see it in person. And it can't be a salvaged piece of shit.
The $2500 is to make this worth my time.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Years ago I worked with an attorney who represented a con man. The con man set up a bank in the Bahamas and sold the best looking COUNTERFEIT corporate bonds that MONEY COULD BUY. There was no question he was guilty. The lawyer went to trial hoping for a conviction on a lesser charge.

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The only thing I can say is many members on here and others that know me, know that I am not a con man.

Ignorant bastard, pretentious individual and many other things, but not a con man.

But from a legal standpoint I understand your point.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

My wager was and is he owns a Newell between the years listed as I put in post 1.

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And everyone agrees with you that he does...otherwise you would have takers lining up for your bet...it would be easy money for anyone who's sure that he doesn't.

So where's the line?

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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My terms eliminated the possibility of renting one. So I think we are good on most points. Let’s put the details together by tomorrow and we can make this happen. The resolution of the wager doesn’t have to happen this week. Since we need Rob to be a part of it, it may take a week or 2 to resolve. We can solve those details and if Rob doesn’t want to cooperate, that is on me if he can’t or won’t prove it.

But, no, the Newell doesn’t have to be the one he posted pictures in, only that he can prove he or the family members listed owned one as listed in the original bet.

Also since I’m not exactly Mikes favorite person, you or Axel can PM where he wants me to send my $2500. PayPal or whatever works, I’ll make it happen tomorrow.

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That's a no deal. Why wouldn't it be the ones in the pics he posted? Is that not his or a family Members? Is this all a big fat Lie?

I'm not some huckleberry that's going to show up to see a toy scale model of a Newell with the title from the State of Delusion....LOL

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You really think I’m trying to Fuck you Max? Honestly?

2008 to 2013 Newell Motor Home. Is there even a toy model from those years? I have no clue if he fucked with all of us with the pictures. Hell he might of.

My wager stands as listed. And you know I’m not trying to fuck you out of $20k. You are the one going to look bad over this.

Ask Axel to come up with fair terms. I am confident he won’t fuck either of us over.

Let’s resolve this.

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In my opinion, the whole point of this is to know if Robert was telling the truth or not, At least something close to the truth.


I would say that the terms and conditions would have to include that the value of the RV would they close to what Rob would have us believe. For example, it wouldn't be acceptable if he somehow owned some Salvaged piece of junk or something with a completely shot engine. Or something a bunch of hobos have been living in for 7 years(excluding Rob, of course:eek:)
It would have to reflect what the current value of a good condition NEWELL that reflects the years he claims his was. It must be a clear title with no liens on it and it can't be something he's currently making payments on or just purchased recently.


I think you guys would have to elect three people you both agreed on to determine with a vote who wins the bet just in case there's some strange technicalities we can't think of.

I wouldn't really want to be involved in a bet like this because there's too many shenanigans that can be involved on his end.

If we're going on what Rob would like us to believe...
I would absolutely bet the NO that Rob spent over $1000000 paid in cash on an NEWELL that he still owns today.

I do believe that Rob probably knows someone that owns A NEWELL. For all we know someone might be paying him the stored at his place, or they may have just stopped by to say hi.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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My wager was and is he owns a Newell between the years listed as I put in post 1. Which I am more than willing to accept with you. Not sure why if you think he was lying all along about owning one you wouldn’t accept the wager.

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For $6k I could set something up with a Newell in that age range that would only be able to be disproved by verifying a title thru the State and would be convincing to almost any arbitrator.

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So no bet, as we always say never happens with this stuff. I thought we were close on this one.

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See my latest offfer on giving you 2-1 on what you deemed is a coin flip.

What's really funny is everyone knows Rob has lied about everything he has shown so far. And now we're trying to formulate a bet that would require him to verify. We're all sick.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I will bet $5k to anyone's $2500 that Rob nor his kid's or kid's spouse owned a Newell between those years. It has to be a full size Newell motorcoach. And I have to see it in person. And it can't be a salvaged piece of shit.
The $2500 is to make this worth my time.

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How about this....You and Boz both just go visit Rob and just prove this once and for all. I mean...you guys are both saying it's to prove a point and not about the money. I'll kick in my 8 bucks for expenses.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Years ago I worked with an attorney who represented a con man. The con man set up a bank in the Bahamas and sold the best looking COUNTERFEIT corporate bonds that MONEY COULD BUY. There was no question he was guilty. The lawyer went to trial hoping for a conviction on a lesser charge.

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The only thing I can say is many members on here and others that know me, know that I am not a con man.

Ignorant bastard, pretentious individual and many other things, but not a con man.

But from a legal standpoint I understand your point.

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I'm not alleging anything. Just pointing out that money can buy anything... counterfeit corporate bonds, governors and even judges.

What's the price for a back dated title on an RV from the DMV? LOL

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

What's really funny is everyone knows Rob has lied about everything he has shown so far. And now we're trying to formulate a bet that would require him to verify. We're all sick.

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Ok. That's funny.

For me, the baseline or foundation on whether Rob owns a high end RV, was further emphasized by his opening post on the "More hurt...." thread.

He stated, "This time, those who just couldn't handle the interior pics of our Newell will have to deal with an exterior pic.".

Hence, he is claiming ownership of that particular vehicle.

Whether he owns a boneyard with multiple used Newells gathering dust is not for me to say. But there is no way he owns that RV displayed via the interior pictures. I still do not understand why he will not display dirty used pictures of the interior. Heck, the son can take pictures and send them in.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Ignorant bastard, pretentious individual and many other things, but not a con man.

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I wouldn't call you any of those things. I can see how people might call you a Son Of A Bitch, especially when it comes to your forum posts. I know you're not trying to con Max and I know Max isn't trying to con you. I'll just ask this... Do you have any behind-the-scenes knowledge that would lead you to believe that Rob does in fact own a Newell? If you're going by what you've been reading on the forums and have all the same information we do.... then I absolutely think it's a terrible bet for you.

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Originally Posted by unowme

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I will bet $5k to anyone's $2500 that Rob nor his kid's or kid's spouse owned a Newell between those years. It has to be a full size Newell motorcoach. And I have to see it in person. And it can't be a salvaged piece of shit.
The $2500 is to make this worth my time.

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How about this....You and Boz both just go visit Rob and just prove this once and for all. I mean...you guys are both saying it's to prove a point and not about the money. I'll kick in my 8 bucks for expenses.

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Let's see what Boz says about my latest offer. I'm not too much into charity work. I'll even up the odds offered to 4-1. I need $1250 to cover travel costs and $5k on my end is an amount that would not be worth an elaborate set of shenanigans even to Grandpa Newell himself.

Rob Singer scum bag, dont bet against him. Singer needs escrow too just to show up with no lame excuses.

I'm definitely up for a trip with MaxPen and Boz to settle this once and for all. I definitely think we would have a blast along the way and it wouldn't be wasted on some b******* where Rob can claim we were trolled. We could probably find some good value along the way and make it a vacation road trip kind of thing.

Boz you can fly into Vegas and we can take a road trip from here.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I'm definitely up for a trip with MaxPen and Boz to settle this once and for all. I definitely think we would have a blast along the way and it wouldn't be wasted on some b******* where Rob can claim we were trolled. We could probably find some good value along the way and make it a vacation road trip kind of thing.

Boz you can fly into Vegas and we can take a road trip from here.

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Unfortunately, I doubt it would ever happen. It requires the Troll of Trolls Grandpa Newell's cooperation. Notice that Rob jumped in here when I described the real truth. He sent the Newell the opposite direction of where he is heading in the camper.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I'm definitely up for a trip with MaxPen and Boz to settle this once and for all. I definitely think we would have a blast along the way and it wouldn't be wasted on some b******* where Rob can claim we were trolled. We could probably find some good value along the way and make it a vacation road trip kind of thing.

Boz you can fly into Vegas and we can take a road trip from here.

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Unfortunately, I doubt it would ever happen. It requires the Troll of Trolls Grandpa Newell's cooperation. Notice that Rob jumped in here when I described the real truth. He sent the Newell the opposite direction of where he is heading in the camper.:rolleyes:

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Like I said... it's now a 3 card Monte or find the pea under the shell game.

And guess what? The cards and the shells will be shuffled until AFTER the Newell is SOLD in October in a PRIVATE SALE that WAS NOT ADVERTISED.

Wise up. He's so fucking predictable.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I'm definitely up for a trip with MaxPen and Boz to settle this once and for all. I definitely think we would have a blast along the way and it wouldn't be wasted on some b******* where Rob can claim we were trolled. We could probably find some good value along the way and make it a vacation road trip kind of thing.

Boz you can fly into Vegas and we can take a road trip from here.

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ROAD TRIP! This sounds awesome. Film it and upload the daily highlights to a YouTube channel to pay your expenses. This could go viral.

All you need now is a firm commitment from Rob. Rob Singer.

Reading thru the last few pages here nearly had me buckled over in laughter. And in the midst of all this is Alan admitting he's Andrew--the one and the same little man who takes his multiple failures in life out on women. Too bad he finally met his match in LV.

Everybody at least get your stories straight. Especially you Max. You spend so much time worrying about what I've done and the things I've bought that it's given you a few new dance steps.

I don't really know what this supposed bet is all about so here's the devastating synopsis for my detractors.

2011--we ordered a new Monaco class A to become full-timers for as long as we could take it. Our house sold within two weeks so we moved into an apt. Then the RV arrived early so I chose to break the short term lease to begin our new way of life. We went to Pahrump to learn RV living and after 9 months we took off on the road.

After a year the Monaco was one big lemon with massive failures and breakdowns (sounds like Alan right?) so I drove it back to the dealer and said goodbye. That's when we made the decision to get a premium RV.

Again, it's a 2011 just as the paperwork says. I put the title into a family member's name just as I do with most assets. We're not young any more, and gifting others is a great way to save them a bunch of hassle upon both our deaths. If anyone can't see the logic in that then you own next to nothing and have no family.

I learned to hate driving class A's. I never drove anything bigger than a full size sedan until the Monaco, and the 45' Newell hauling even a smaller car is a nightmare to me. That's why I almost always hire someone or ask our son to be a driver.

Everyone's fascination with all this is a hoot. Why does anybody care what I own or drive or what I do? I can tell you that the deeper you look the worse you'll feel, because my wife and I represent that part of America who've worked hard and earned what we do in retirement. And if any of you can't handle what I did with the DU play then I offer you my deepest condolences.

I have never seen or heard of any Newell being for rent or lease. My son is in the rig at this moment on his way to see friends in and nearby Texas.

Everyone is now all the more wiser. And I'll be clear. Other than one dinner I have set up, you really don't want to be bothering me and/or my wife.

And yes max, I'm certainly the luckiest man alive. Every RV park we stop at has one of those "elusive" Newell RV's.

Did you pay the federal gift taxes on these gifts above $11,000 per year (or less depending on the year)?

Deny, confuse, derail. Con man techniques. Right out of the textbooks.

https://gossrv.com/landing-page-newell/

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Did you pay the federal gift taxes on these gifts above $11,000 per year (or less depending on the year)?

Deny, confuse, derail. Con man techniques. Right out of the textbooks.

https://gossrv.com/landing-page-newell/

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Actually there is a lifetime exclusion on the Federal Gift Tax that's currently over $11,000,000. His wife would get one too. So unless they give away a bunch of those million+ dollar motor homes, they don't owe a dime in gift tax.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Reading thru the last few pages here nearly had me buckled over in laughter. And in the midst of all this is Alan admitting he's Andrew--the one and the same little man who takes his multiple failures in life out on women. Too bad he finally met his match in LV.

Everybody at least get your stories straight. Especially you Max. You spend so much time worrying about what I've done and the things I've bought that it's given you a few new dance steps.

I don't really know what this supposed bet is all about so here's the devastating synopsis for my detractors.

2011--we ordered a new Monaco class A to become full-timers for as long as we could take it. Our house sold within two weeks so we moved into an apt. Then the RV arrived early so I chose to break the short term lease to begin our new way of life. We went to Pahrump to learn RV living and after 9 months we took off on the road.

After a year the Monaco was one big lemon with massive failures and breakdowns (sounds like Alan right?) so I drove it back to the dealer and said goodbye. That's when we made the decision to get a premium RV.

Again, it's a 2011 just as the paperwork says. I put the title into a family member's name just as I do with most assets. We're not young any more, and gifting others is a great way to save them a bunch of hassle upon both our deaths. If anyone can't see the logic in that then you own next to nothing and have no family.

I learned to hate driving class A's. I never drove anything bigger than a full size sedan until the Monaco, and the 45' Newell hauling even a smaller car is a nightmare to me. That's why I almost always hire someone or ask our son to be a driver.

Everyone's fascination with all this is a hoot. Why does anybody care what I own or drive or what I do? I can tell you that the deeper you look the worse you'll feel, because my wife and I represent that part of America who've worked hard and earned what we do in retirement. And if any of you can't handle what I did with the DU play then I offer you my deepest condolences.

I have never seen or heard of any Newell being for rent or lease. My son is in the rig at this moment on his way to see friends in and nearby Texas.

Everyone is now all the more wiser. And I'll be clear. Other than one dinner I have set up, you really don't want to be bothering me and/or my wife.

And yes max, I'm certainly the luckiest man alive. Every RV park we stop at has one of those "elusive" Newell RV's.

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Sorry bruh. That bullshit shoveling is not working. And yes Newells are able to be rented for $5k per day, $25k per week, $100k per month. How does an owner of one of the rarest RVs not know this?
I like how you think it's beneficial to load up a kid with increased liabilities....LMAO
Your understanding of finance is always laughable. The Bill of Sale you tried to pass off was the best though.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
When can we meet up to check out the Newell?
If nothing else we'll sit around the campfire outside the tow behind thing and roast some marshmallows and have a good laugh at your attempted con.

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So, 6 years is a short term apartment lease?

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Originally Posted by unowme

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Did you pay the federal gift taxes on these gifts above $11,000 per year (or less depending on the year)?

Deny, confuse, derail. Con man techniques. Right out of the textbooks.

https://gossrv.com/landing-page-newell/

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Actually there is a lifetime exclusion on the Federal Gift Tax that's currently over $11,000,000. His wife would get one too. So unless they give away a bunch of those million+ dollar motor homes, they don't owe a dime in gift tax.

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Check again. From Turbotax:

The annual federal gift tax exclusion allows you to give away up to $15,000 in 2019 to as many people as you wish without those gifts counting against your $11.4 million lifetime exemption. (After 2019, the $15,000 exclusion may be increased for inflation.)

Say you give two favored relatives $20,000 each in 2019 and give another relative $10,000. The $20,000 gifts are called taxable gifts because they exceed the $15,000 annual exclusion. But you won’t actually owe any gift tax unless you’ve exhausted your lifetime exemption amount.

Now, remember the law changed and when did he make the supposed transfer? Now read this:

https://www.schgroup.com/resource/bl...-and-jobs-act/

And finally let's go back a few years. From the IRS:

For 2004, the annual exclusion is $11,000. Therefore, you gener- ally can give up to $11,000 each to any number of people in 2004 and none of the gifts will be taxable. If you are married, both you and your spouse can separately give up to $11,000 to the same person in 2004 without making a taxable gift.

Remember, we're talking $1.3-million gifted.

Cute story Singer. You left something out about that 9 months in Pahrump, didn't ya? The food stamp issue with the state of Nevada?


So moving on. Boz's bet proposal to me had nothing to do with anything. Just a deflection. Right out of the Singer playbook. Boz really succeeded in deflecting things off topic on Rob's behalf. Whether he was doing so in cahoots with Rob or mickey or just being the dick that he has become on the internet isn't entirely clear, nor really matters. It created a distraction and that appears to be the intent.

Here is what this continues to be about.

1.) After the interview with Mike, both forum owners, Mike and Dan Druff here requested some proof of Rob's claim. So the "proof" Rob came up with was pictures of him in an RV that he was claiming was his. To Mike, Rob actually used the word "his" RV. Here he just inferred, saying Cindy took some pictures when they stopped.

2.) The RV that Rob took pictures in turned out not to be his, but an RV in the showroom at Arizona Luxury RV's. This is NOT in dispute. Anyone can call Arizona Luxury RV. The general manager knows all about this charade. And that means Rob directly lied to Mike Shackleford when he sent Mike pictures of "his" RV.

3.) Let's not even get into the obviously phony sales receipt, that a child could have come up with. Just focus on #1 and #2. That ends this story. Complete knock out in the first round. A Mike Tyson total destruction type of a knockout. There is no more. Rob doesn't get to come back talking shit after staggering around the ring for 10 minutes. It's over. And anyone not accepting that is just playing games.....Boz!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Cute story Singer. You left something out about that 9 months in Pahrump, didn't ya? The food stamp issue with the state of Nevada?


So moving on. Boz's bet proposal to me had nothing to do with anything. Just a deflection. Right out of the Singer playbook. Boz really succeeded in deflecting things off topic on Rob's behalf. Whether he was doing so in cahoots with Rob or mickey or just being the dick that he has become on the internet isn't entirely clear, nor really matters. It created a distraction and that appears to be the intent.

Here is what this continues to be about.

1.) After the interview with Mike, both forum owners, Mike and Dan Druff here requested some proof of Rob's claim. So the "proof" Rob came up with was pictures of him in an RV that he was claiming was his. To Mike, Rob actually used the word "his" RV. Here he just inferred, saying Cindy took some pictures when they stopped.

2.) The RV that Rob took pictures in turned out not to be his, but an RV in the showroom at Arizona Luxury RV's. This is NOT in dispute. Anyone can call Arizona Luxury RV. The general manager knows all about this charade. And that means Rob directly lied to Mike Shackleford when he sent Mike pictures of "his" RV.

3.) Let's not even get into the obviously phone sales receipt, that a child could have come up with. Just focus on #1 and #2. That ends this story. Complete knock out in the first round. A Mike Tyson total destruction type of a knockout. There is no more. Rob doesn't get to come back talking shit after staggering around the ring for 10 minutes. It's over. And anyone not accepting that is just playing games.....Boz!

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Did you forget about the shower squeegee? At this point in the investigation I think it’s more about the shower squeegee than the Newall, or if Rob played the DUB.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Did you pay the federal gift taxes on these gifts above $11,000 per year (or less depending on the year)?

Deny, confuse, derail. Con man techniques. Right out of the textbooks.

https://gossrv.com/landing-page-newell/

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Actually there is a lifetime exclusion on the Federal Gift Tax that's currently over $11,000,000. His wife would get one too. So unless they give away a bunch of those million+ dollar motor homes, they don't owe a dime in gift tax.

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Check again. From Turbotax:

The annual federal gift tax exclusion allows you to give away up to $15,000 in 2019 to as many people as you wish without those gifts counting against your $11.4 million lifetime exemption. (After 2019, the $15,000 exclusion may be increased for inflation.)

Say you give two favored relatives $20,000 each in 2019 and give another relative $10,000. The $20,000 gifts are called taxable gifts because they exceed the $15,000 annual exclusion. But you won’t actually owe any gift tax unless you’ve exhausted your lifetime exemption amount.

Now, remember the law changed and when did he make the supposed transfer? Now read this:

https://www.schgroup.com/resource/bl...-and-jobs-act/

And finally let's go back a few years. From the IRS:

For 2004, the annual exclusion is $11,000. Therefore, you gener- ally can give up to $11,000 each to any number of people in 2004 and none of the gifts will be taxable. If you are married, both you and your spouse can separately give up to $11,000 to the same person in 2004 without making a taxable gift.

Remember, we're talking $1.3-million gifted.

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Dude, you don't understand the meaning of Lifetime Exemption. Hopefully you don't work in estates. In 2011 it was $5,000,000. Per person. So $10,000,000 between husband and wife. What it means is you can give away up to the lifetime amount without ever paying any gift tax. The annual exclusion of $11,000 just means you can make annual gifts up to $11,000 (for both husband and wife) and that won't even count against your lifetime exemption.

Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

The annual exclusion was actually 13,000 in 2011. $15,000 this year.

Please remember me if anyone needs to make large gifts-lol.

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Reading thru the last few pages here nearly had me buckled over in laughter. And in the midst of all this is Alan admitting he's Andrew--the one and the same little man who takes his multiple failures in life out on women. Too bad he finally met his match in LV.

Everybody at least get your stories straight. Especially you Max. You spend so much time worrying about what I've done and the things I've bought that it's given you a few new dance steps.

I don't really know what this supposed bet is all about so here's the devastating synopsis for my detractors.

2011--we ordered a new Monaco class A to become full-timers for as long as we could take it. Our house sold within two weeks so we moved into an apt. Then the RV arrived early so I chose to break the short term lease to begin our new way of life. We went to Pahrump to learn RV living and after 9 months we took off on the road.

After a year the Monaco was one big lemon with massive failures and breakdowns (sounds like Alan right?) so I drove it back to the dealer and said goodbye. That's when we made the decision to get a premium RV.

Again, it's a 2011 just as the paperwork says. I put the title into a family member's name just as I do with most assets. We're not young any more, and gifting others is a great way to save them a bunch of hassle upon both our deaths. If anyone can't see the logic in that then you own next to nothing and have no family.

I learned to hate driving class A's. I never drove anything bigger than a full size sedan until the Monaco, and the 45' Newell hauling even a smaller car is a nightmare to me. That's why I almost always hire someone or ask our son to be a driver.

Everyone's fascination with all this is a hoot. Why does anybody care what I own or drive or what I do? I can tell you that the deeper you look the worse you'll feel, because my wife and I represent that part of America who've worked hard and earned what we do in retirement. And if any of you can't handle what I did with the DU play then I offer you my deepest condolences.

I have never seen or heard of any Newell being for rent or lease. My son is in the rig at this moment on his way to see friends in and nearby Texas.

Everyone is now all the more wiser. And I'll be clear. Other than one dinner I have set up, you really don't want to be bothering me and/or my wife.

And yes max, I'm certainly the luckiest man alive. Every RV park we stop at has one of those "elusive" Newell RV's.

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Sorry bruh. That bullshit shoveling is not working. And yes Newells are able to be rented for $5k per day, $25k per week, $100k per month. How does an owner of one of the rarest RVs not know this?
I like how you think it's beneficial to load up a kid with increased liabilities....LMAO
Your understanding of finance is always laughable. The Bill of Sale you tried to pass off was the best though.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
When can we meet up to check out the Newell?
If nothing else we'll sit around the campfire outside the tow behind thing and roast some marshmallows and have a good laugh at your attempted con.

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So, 6 years is a short term apartment lease?

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Maybe you and The Boz and Axel and Rob can go on road trip in Rob's RV...whatever it may be.

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Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

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You guys are arguing over something that didn't happen! It doesn't even matter what the taxable gift exclusion amount is. There was no tax gift! In 2011, Rob lived in a used RV (not a Newell) in a low rent RV park in Pahrump, Nevada (the arm pit of the world). That is the same year he got busted for food stamp fraud.

Don't allow Rob and his co-conspirators to get you guys side tracked like this.

Not side-tracked at all. It's all a non-issue for me. I'm just correcting Andrew as to the law.

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Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

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You guys are arguing over something that didn't happen! It doesn't even matter what the taxable gift exclusion amount is. There was no tax gift! In 2011, Rob lived in a used RV (not a Newell) in a low rent RV park in Pahrump, Nevada (the arm pit of the world). That is the same year he got busted for food stamp fraud.

Don't allow Rob and his co-conspirators to get you guys side tracked like this.

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It's my fault. I should have been more clear in my original response.

They are quoting the new gift tax exclusion which did not exist when the $1.3-million Newell was supposedly gifted.

I went thru the steps showing the changes. I just should have quoted the 2011 tax code.

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Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

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You guys are arguing over something that didn't happen! It doesn't even matter what the taxable gift exclusion amount is. There was no tax gift! In 2011, Rob lived in a used RV (not a Newell) in a low rent RV park in Pahrump, Nevada (the arm pit of the world). That is the same year he got busted for food stamp fraud.

Don't allow Rob and his co-conspirators to get you guys side tracked like this.

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Sorry. I have to correct bad math or bad tax advice. It's how I roll.

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Not side-tracked at all. It's all a non-issue for me. I'm just correcting Andrew as to the law.

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yeah, I am not blaming you specifically regnis. To your credit, you have been involved in this very little if all all. I am just frustrated with the fools on this forum. You watched this go down for god sakes. Rob was pressured in to providing some kind of evidence and he posted pictures of himself in a RV at a dealership claiming it was his RV. He followed that up with a phony sales receipt from a company that went bankrupt and stopped selling RV's 4 years prior to the date claimed.

And having witnessed this with there own eyes, there are now nut jobs on this forum, saying "well maybe this happened" or "maybe that", or "I'll bet He still owns this or someone in his family does"

I am dealing with people that refuse to see reality when they see it with their own eyes. You guys deserve this nonsense and this troll that is Rob Singer.

Here is a question for you? Why did the second set of Singer Photos not go up at WoV....only here. because Mike said enough of this game.

Now I am off to dinner, so continue your twilight zone alternative reality games.

One final thing: The guy went to a dealership 7 miles from his home and took pictures of himself in a RV on the dealership floor. See the light people. And if you can't see the light then squeegee the damn window and let the light in. :D

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Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

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You guys are arguing over something that didn't happen! It doesn't even matter what the taxable gift exclusion amount is. There was no tax gift! In 2011, Rob lived in a used RV (not a Newell) in a low rent RV park in Pahrump, Nevada (the arm pit of the world). That is the same year he got busted for food stamp fraud.

Don't allow Rob and his co-conspirators to get you guys side tracked like this.

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It's my fault. I should have been more clear in my original response.

They are quoting the new gift tax exclusion which did not exist when the $1.3-million Newell was supposedly gifted.

I went thru the steps showing the changes. I just should have quoted the 2011 tax code.

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Right. It was only 5 million per spouse. Far more than the alleged RV. Your response indicated they'd be liable for anything above 11,000. You obviously didn't understand the lifetime exclusion. By the way are you really Alan Mendelson? MoneyLA from the old LVA boards? Long time dude!

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Reading thru the last few pages here nearly had me buckled over in laughter. And in the midst of all this is Alan admitting he's Andrew--the one and the same little man who takes his multiple failures in life out on women. Too bad he finally met his match in LV.

Everybody at least get your stories straight. Especially you Max. You spend so much time worrying about what I've done and the things I've bought that it's given you a few new dance steps.

I don't really know what this supposed bet is all about so here's the devastating synopsis for my detractors.

2011--we ordered a new Monaco class A to become full-timers for as long as we could take it. Our house sold within two weeks so we moved into an apt. Then the RV arrived early so I chose to break the short term lease to begin our new way of life. We went to Pahrump to learn RV living and after 9 months we took off on the road.

After a year the Monaco was one big lemon with massive failures and breakdowns (sounds like Alan right?) so I drove it back to the dealer and said goodbye. That's when we made the decision to get a premium RV.

Again, it's a 2011 just as the paperwork says. I put the title into a family member's name just as I do with most assets. We're not young any more, and gifting others is a great way to save them a bunch of hassle upon both our deaths. If anyone can't see the logic in that then you own next to nothing and have no family.

I learned to hate driving class A's. I never drove anything bigger than a full size sedan until the Monaco, and the 45' Newell hauling even a smaller car is a nightmare to me. That's why I almost always hire someone or ask our son to be a driver.

Everyone's fascination with all this is a hoot. Why does anybody care what I own or drive or what I do? I can tell you that the deeper you look the worse you'll feel, because my wife and I represent that part of America who've worked hard and earned what we do in retirement. And if any of you can't handle what I did with the DU play then I offer you my deepest condolences.

I have never seen or heard of any Newell being for rent or lease. My son is in the rig at this moment on his way to see friends in and nearby Texas.

Everyone is now all the more wiser. And I'll be clear. Other than one dinner I have set up, you really don't want to be bothering me and/or my wife.

And yes max, I'm certainly the luckiest man alive. Every RV park we stop at has one of those "elusive" Newell RV's.

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Sorry bruh. That bullshit shoveling is not working. And yes Newells are able to be rented for $5k per day, $25k per week, $100k per month. How does an owner of one of the rarest RVs not know this?
I like how you think it's beneficial to load up a kid with increased liabilities....LMAO
Your understanding of finance is always laughable. The Bill of Sale you tried to pass off was the best though.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
When can we meet up to check out the Newell?
If nothing else we'll sit around the campfire outside the tow behind thing and roast some marshmallows and have a good laugh at your attempted con.

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So, 6 years is a short term apartment lease?

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Maybe you and The Boz and Axel and Rob can go on road trip in Rob's RV...whatever it may be.

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I call dibs on sleeping outside under the stars. I'm pretty sure that black thing is the shitter.

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Originally Posted by regnis

Exactly--the gift over the annual exclusion is a "taxable" gift. However you don't pay gift tax. Rather, it uses up a part of your lifetime exclusion which is now in excess of 11 million.

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You guys are arguing over something that didn't happen! It doesn't even matter what the taxable gift exclusion amount is. There was no tax gift! In 2011, Rob lived in a used RV (not a Newell) in a low rent RV park in Pahrump, Nevada (the arm pit of the world). That is the same year he got busted for food stamp fraud.

Don't allow Rob and his co-conspirators to get you guys side tracked like this.

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KewlJ, so judgemental! Pahrump has a fine collection of brothels. If you pay enough, you can get a half-and-half bug or a double-up. I've never actually been to Pahrump, but I did shop online for property there maybe 15 years ago. You could get a house next to the golf course for about 50K at the time. Of course, the golf course had almost no grass. It was different.

Ahem, gentlemen, I hate to do the "paying attention to what someone actually said" thing, but you may have missed a fairly important mention by "Singer." It turns out that he has "almost always" been paying someone to drive the Newell when his son has been unavailable.

That should yield some interesting discussions. Sounds as if someone may not want to be behind the wheel when interested parties arrive. It's possible the Newell "owner" may not actually be able to drive the Newell.

As someone who has driven quite a few moving trucks, I can sympathize. Once you get beyond 30-feet (most rental companies top off at 26), it can be a nightmare.

Hmmm, that reminds me. My brothers have CDLs. A 45-foot Newell (as "Singer" quoted in the post above), I guess that might actually require a special license in certain states. Of course, I don't know the law, but boy, a 45-footer would be tough. Might need one of them there special licensing deals.

And I guess if somebody knew that, and didn't have one, they'd have to come up with a good reason to not have one, and, well, I'm sure you boys can take it from here.

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Ahem, gentlemen, I hate to do the "paying attention to what someone actually said" thing, but you may have missed a fairly important mention by "Singer." It turns out that he has "almost always" been paying someone to drive the Newell when his son has been unavailable.

That should yield some interesting discussions. Sounds as if someone may not want to be behind the wheel when interested parties arrive. It's possible the Newell "owner" may not actually be able to drive the Newell.

As someone who has driven quite a few moving trucks, I can sympathize. Once you get beyond 30-feet (most rental companies top off at 26), it can be a nightmare.

Hmmm, that reminds me. My brothers have CDLs. A 45-foot Newell (as "Singer" quoted in the post above), I guess that might actually require a special license in certain states. Of course, I don't know the law, but boy, a 45-footer would be tough. Might need one of them there special licensing deals.

And I guess if somebody knew that, and didn't have one, they'd have to come up with a good reason to not have one, and, well, I'm sure you boys can take it from here.

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Just add that to the many holes in the block of Swiss. There's really only one needed though.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/200...1-2-5011338393

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Ahem, gentlemen, I hate to do the "paying attention to what someone actually said" thing, but you may have missed a fairly important mention by "Singer." It turns out that he has "almost always" been paying someone to drive the Newell when his son has been unavailable.

That should yield some interesting discussions. Sounds as if someone may not want to be behind the wheel when interested parties arrive. It's possible the Newell "owner" may not actually be able to drive the Newell.

As someone who has driven quite a few moving trucks, I can sympathize. Once you get beyond 30-feet (most rental companies top off at 26), it can be a nightmare.

Hmmm, that reminds me. My brothers have CDLs. A 45-foot Newell (as "Singer" quoted in the post above), I guess that might actually require a special license in certain states. Of course, I don't know the law, but boy, a 45-footer would be tough. Might need one of them there special licensing deals.

And I guess if somebody knew that, and didn't have one, they'd have to come up with a good reason to not have one, and, well, I'm sure you boys can take it from here.

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It's always been my understanding that if you're only modeling in a Newell, you don't need to get a special license. But I haven't looked at the law lately to see if that still holds.

The Winnebago Minnie Winnie requires no special license. Just hook that bad boy to your hitch and hit the open road. Be sure to show what a baller you are by pointing out some $200 fog lights on your pick em' up truck.

I'm thinking the shitter in a Newell costs more than one these things.

https://claz.org/portland/rvs/2017-w...6oakdnjf2.html

From the penthouse



To the outhouse



That's some legit downsizing.:rolleyes:

I wonder if the Minnie Winnies come with a free squeegee?
Is there room in the shower for the squeegee?

I really feel sorry for the wife. "Honey, pack your bags. We gotta hit the road and ditch out on this rent. Something went haywire with the gambling system. And when I say bag that means one. The GOAT camper I bought only has cubbies. I already talked to our girl and she said that she'd let me setup a room with my old CBs. We'll stay there every now and then. She gave me the Wi-Fi password. The rest of the time we'll see the country on our Social Security checks. I'll sneak around the campground on the lookout for Newells so I can snap a pic outside the field of vision of any possible occupants. Then I can try and fool people on the internet."

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From the penthouse



To the outhouse



That's some legit downsizing.:rolleyes:

I wonder if the Minnie Winnies come with a free squeegee?
Is there room in the shower for the squeegee?

I really feel sorry for the wife. "Honey, pack your bags. We gotta hit the road and ditch out on this rent. Something went haywire with the gambling system. And when I say bag that means one. The GOAT camper I bought only has cubbies. I already talked to our girl and she said that she'd let me setup a room with my old CBs. We'll stay there every now and then. She gave me the Wi-Fi password. The rest of the time we'll see the country on our Social Security checks. I'll sneak around the campground on the lookout for Newells so I can snap a pic outside the field of vision of any possible occupants. Then I can try and fool people on the internet."

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Many years ago While in washing I decided to look for an RV to drive back to Vegas hoping to take my time while stopping along the way at places I had never been.

I found a really good deal on a 35 foot Winni. It was a hundred miles away in Seattle Washington. I knew it wouldn't last, so I bought a bus tickets the next day to Seattle to check it out. I brought cash with the intentions I've been buying it, assuming it was as advertised.

I had never owed or driven one before. My father is an expert on RVs and a he's a professional certified mechanic. He coached me on what to look for and check, he agreed if it was 70% as good as advertised, it was an excellent deal and I could probably sell it at a profit after using it. He was even interested somewhat himself.

As far as I could tell, everything looked great, everything worked including the generator, air conditioning, Heating, I didn't notice any rust or rotting, all the sinks worked, the tires were good and whatever else I can't think of. It started right up and sounded good, so I bought it on the spot.

I had no plans what to do next, I just knew I had to get it back to my dads house 100 miles away. So with No experience, no insurance and expired tags, I said fuck it and off I went back to my dads house.

I knew RV'S required significantly more reaction time and stopping distance than a normal car or truck, but It didn't take long to realize the breaks were abnormally horrible. Along with being paranoid that I would get pulled over for expired tags, I had to worry about having no experience, horrible brakes while driving through the heart of Seattle and Tacoma through town and on the freeway. That was the scariest 100 miles of my life.

I told my dad's about the bad brakes, so he took it for a spin. It didn't take very long for him to come back. As he stepped out of the motorhome... he just looked at me said, "you're lucky to be alive kid." he then just shook his head and walked away.

I never did drive it back to Vegas, because I ended up selling it for more than I bought it for to some scary hillbilly family who were looking for a new home(I s*** you not). That was a crazy story in and of itself.

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Ahem, gentlemen, I hate to do the "paying attention to what someone actually said" thing, but you may have missed a fairly important mention by "Singer." It turns out that he has "almost always" been paying someone to drive the Newell when his son has been unavailable.

That should yield some interesting discussions. Sounds as if someone may not want to be behind the wheel when interested parties arrive. It's possible the Newell "owner" may not actually be able to drive the Newell.

As someone who has driven quite a few moving trucks, I can sympathize. Once you get beyond 30-feet (most rental companies top off at 26), it can be a nightmare.

Hmmm, that reminds me. My brothers have CDLs. A 45-foot Newell (as "Singer" quoted in the post above), I guess that might actually require a special license in certain states. Of course, I don't know the law, but boy, a 45-footer would be tough. Might need one of them there special licensing deals.

And I guess if somebody knew that, and didn't have one, they'd have to come up with a good reason to not have one, and, well, I'm sure you boys can take it from here.

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More weirdness from the weirdo.

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From the penthouse



To the outhouse



That's some legit downsizing.:rolleyes:

I wonder if the Minnie Winnies come with a free squeegee?
Is there room in the shower for the squeegee?

I really feel sorry for the wife. "Honey, pack your bags. We gotta hit the road and ditch out on this rent. Something went haywire with the gambling system. And when I say bag that means one. The GOAT camper I bought only has cubbies. I already talked to our girl and she said that she'd let me setup a room with my old CBs. We'll stay there every now and then. She gave me the Wi-Fi password. The rest of the time we'll see the country on our Social Security checks. I'll sneak around the campground on the lookout for Newells so I can snap a pic outside the field of vision of any possible occupants. Then I can try and fool people on the internet."

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Many years ago While in washing I decided to look for an RV to drive back to Vegas hoping to take my time while stopping along the way at places I had never been.

I found a really good deal on a 35 foot Winni. It was a hundred miles away in Seattle Washington. I knew it wouldn't last, so I bought a bus tickets the next day to Seattle to check it out. I brought cash with the intentions I've been buying it, assuming it was as advertised.

I had never owed or driven one before. My father is an expert on RVs and a he's a professional certified mechanic. He coached me on what to look for and check, he agreed if it was 70% as good as advertised, it was an excellent deal and I could probably sell it at a profit after using it. He was even interested somewhat himself.

As far as I could tell, everything looked great, everything worked including the generator, air conditioning, Heating, I didn't notice any rust or rotting, all the sinks worked, the tires were good and whatever else I can't think of. It started right up and sounded good, so I bought it on the spot.

I had no plans what to do next, I just knew I had to get it back to my dads house 100 miles away. So with No experience, no insurance and expired tags, I said fuck it and off I went back to my dads house.

I knew RV'S required significantly more reaction time and stopping distance than a normal car or truck, but It didn't take long to realize the breaks were abnormally horrible. Along with being paranoid that I would get pulled over for expired tags, I had to worry about having no experience, horrible brakes while driving through the heart of Seattle and Tacoma through town and on the freeway. That was the scariest 100 miles of my life.

I told my dad's about the bad brakes, so he took it for a spin. It didn't take very long for him to come back. As he stepped out of the motorhome... he just looked at me said, "you're lucky to be alive kid." he then just shook his head and walked away.

I never did drive it back to Vegas, because I ended up selling it for more than I bought it for to some scary hillbilly family who were looking for a new home(I s*** you not). That was a crazy story in and of itself.

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Haha. So I bought a minnie winnie RV. A hoopty. No, don't live in it. I haven't sold it.

It also had the brake issue when I took it home. I thought I wouldn't mind driving it around after fixing the brakes. Nerve-wracking. One of the convex mirrors was missing creating a huge blind spot on the passenger side. Literally impossible to see a largish field of view. (think about taking a u-turn under a highway, then needing to yield to traffic but having no way to see the traffic.) It is so heavy the thing won't slide but not pleasant to drive. It still feels like the brakes don't work that well but people more experienced say they're fine.

The pull-behind camper shown in the pics are far nicer than the pop-up Rob has. A pop-up won't have the cabinets and such. TBH I've never been inside a pop-up. It'd be nice if Rob would show those pics and be honest for once in his life.

You are all Newell Bots!
After searching Newell RV's on the internet, I am now bombarded with emails and advertisements.
You guys are very clever Newell RV Salesmen!

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From the penthouse



To the outhouse



That's some legit downsizing.:rolleyes:

I wonder if the Minnie Winnies come with a free squeegee?
Is there room in the shower for the squeegee?

I really feel sorry for the wife. "Honey, pack your bags. We gotta hit the road and ditch out on this rent. Something went haywire with the gambling system. And when I say bag that means one. The GOAT camper I bought only has cubbies. I already talked to our girl and she said that she'd let me setup a room with my old CBs. We'll stay there every now and then. She gave me the Wi-Fi password. The rest of the time we'll see the country on our Social Security checks. I'll sneak around the campground on the lookout for Newells so I can snap a pic outside the field of vision of any possible occupants. Then I can try and fool people on the internet."

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Many years ago While in washing I decided to look for an RV to drive back to Vegas hoping to take my time while stopping along the way at places I had never been.

I found a really good deal on a 35 foot Winni. It was a hundred miles away in Seattle Washington. I knew it wouldn't last, so I bought a bus tickets the next day to Seattle to check it out. I brought cash with the intentions I've been buying it, assuming it was as advertised.

I had never owed or driven one before. My father is an expert on RVs and a he's a professional certified mechanic. He coached me on what to look for and check, he agreed if it was 70% as good as advertised, it was an excellent deal and I could probably sell it at a profit after using it. He was even interested somewhat himself.

As far as I could tell, everything looked great, everything worked including the generator, air conditioning, Heating, I didn't notice any rust or rotting, all the sinks worked, the tires were good and whatever else I can't think of. It started right up and sounded good, so I bought it on the spot.

I had no plans what to do next, I just knew I had to get it back to my dads house 100 miles away. So with No experience, no insurance and expired tags, I said fuck it and off I went back to my dads house.

I knew RV'S required significantly more reaction time and stopping distance than a normal car or truck, but It didn't take long to realize the breaks were abnormally horrible. Along with being paranoid that I would get pulled over for expired tags, I had to worry about having no experience, horrible brakes while driving through the heart of Seattle and Tacoma through town and on the freeway. That was the scariest 100 miles of my life.

I told my dad's about the bad brakes, so he took it for a spin. It didn't take very long for him to come back. As he stepped out of the motorhome... he just looked at me said, "you're lucky to be alive kid." he then just shook his head and walked away.

I never did drive it back to Vegas, because I ended up selling it for more than I bought it for to some scary hillbilly family who were looking for a new home(I s*** you not). That was a crazy story in and of itself.

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Haha. So I bought a minnie winnie RV. A hoopty. No, don't live in it. I haven't sold it.

It also had the brake issue when I took it home. I thought I wouldn't mind driving it around after fixing the brakes. Nerve-wracking. One of the convex mirrors was missing creating a huge blind spot on the passenger side. Literally impossible to see a largish field of view. (think about taking a u-turn under a highway, then needing to yield to traffic but having no way to see the traffic.) It is so heavy the thing won't slide but not pleasant to drive. It still feels like the brakes don't work that well but people more experienced say they're fine.

The pull-behind camper shown in the pics are far nicer than the pop-up Rob has. A pop-up won't have the cabinets and such. TBH I've never been inside a pop-up. It'd be nice if Rob would show those pics and be honest for once in his life.

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I'm definitely no RV expert. Although, I have gotten one hell of an introductory lesson this past week. But I don't think Grandpa Newell's rig is a pop-up, meaning collapsible. I'm pretty sure the "rig" in this link is what he has. Maybe a year or so off.

https://claz.org/portland/rvs/2017-w...6oakdnjf2.html


Any experts want to settle what exactly is in the picture Man Servant Crimm posted up?

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The Winnebago Minnie Winnie requires no special license. Just hook that bad boy to your hitch and hit the open road. Be sure to show what a baller you are by pointing out some $200 fog lights on your pick em' up truck.

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I do think MaxPen brings up a good point that lends some credibility to the amount of money Rob won exploiting the DUB.

Even after spending $1.5 million for a Newell, Rob still had some money left over to buy some fog lights for his truck. I actually think these fog lights should be part of any bet going forward. It could be included with the verification bet that Rob or someone in his family owns a Newell.

This way if Rob isn’t able to prove he owns a 2011 Newell, he might be able to prove he owns the $200 fog lights, and he’ll have met 50% of the terms of the bet, and at least been able to save some face.

It's time to play Guess that Rig....
A featured spin-off of As Grandpa Newell's Dreams Turn

Here is what Man Servant Crimm posted up



This is what I think it is



More details found at this link
https://claz.org/portland/rvs/2017-w...6oakdnjf2.html

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The Winnebago Minnie Winnie requires no special license. Just hook that bad boy to your hitch and hit the open road. Be sure to show what a baller you are by pointing out some $200 fog lights on your pick em' up truck.

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I do think MaxPen brings up a good point that lends some credibility to the amount of money Rob won exploiting the DUB.

Even after spending $1.5 million for a Newell, Rob still had some money left over to buy some fog lights for his truck. I actually think these fog lights should be part of any bet going forward. It could be included with the verification bet that Rob or someone in his family owns a Newell.

This way if Rob isn’t able to prove he owns a 2011 Newell, he might be able to prove he owns the $200 fog lights, and he’ll have met 50% of the terms of the bet, and at least been able to save some face.

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The only bugs Rob doubled up were the roaches in his apartment before skipping out on rent.

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The Winnebago Minnie Winnie requires no special license. Just hook that bad boy to your hitch and hit the open road. Be sure to show what a baller you are by pointing out some $200 fog lights on your pick em' up truck.

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I do think MaxPen brings up a good point that lends some credibility to the amount of money Rob won exploiting the DUB.

Even after spending $1.5 million for a Newell, Rob still had some money left over to buy some fog lights for his truck. I actually think these fog lights should be part of any bet going forward. It could be included with the verification bet that Rob or someone in his family owns a Newell.

This way if Rob isn’t able to prove he owns a 2011 Newell, he might be able to prove he owns the $200 fog lights, and he’ll have met 50% of the terms of the bet, and at least been able to save some face.

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The only bugs Rob doubled up were the roaches in his apartment before skipping out on rent.

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I was being sarcastic. The story didn’t make sense from the beginning. No one spends “hours” each day looking for bugs that might not exist. That’s what Ron said in his interview.

The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.

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It's time to play Guess that Rig....
A featured spin-off of As Grandpa Newell's Dreams Turn

Here is what Man Servant Crimm posted up



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Lol. That made me laugh. You’d think if Rob made all that money, he’d have spent a little less on a top-of-the-line Newell, and a little more on a Winnebago. I mean for only $10,000 more you can’t start to get a pretty decent Winnebago.

And I know something about Winnebagos since I made a trip in one way back. It was a good experience, but I’d rather do the car and camping thing or car and hotel thing. I don’t like driving those big things.

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Here is what Man Servant Crimm posted up



This is what I think it is

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Lol. That made me laugh. You’d think if Rob made all that money, he’d have spent a little less on a top-of-the-line Newell, and a little more on a Winnebago. I mean for only $10,000 more you can’t start to get a pretty decent Winnebago.

And I know something about Winnebagos since I made a trip in one way back. It was a good experience, but I’d rather do the car and camping thing or car and hotel thing. I don’t like driving those big things.

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I'm pretty sure there's not a single former +$1million Newell owner on the road in a Minnie Winnie or whatever that thing is.

Next we'll be expected to believe that backing up the trailer was just getting to be too much so Grandpa Newell switched to one of these GOATs



But check out that custom $200 double handlebar.....How does one manage to afford such things?:rolleyes:

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The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.

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Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.

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It's time to play Guess that Rig....
A featured spin-off of As Grandpa Newell's Dreams Turn

Here is what Man Servant Crimm posted up



This is what I think it is

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Lol. That made me laugh. You’d think if Rob made all that money, he’d have spent a little less on a top-of-the-line Newell, and a little more on a Winnebago. I mean for only $10,000 more you can’t start to get a pretty decent Winnebago.

And I know something about Winnebagos since I made a trip in one way back. It was a good experience, but I’d rather do the car and camping thing or car and hotel thing. I don’t like driving those big things.

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I'm pretty sure there's not a single former +$1million Newell owner on the road in a Minnie Winnie or whatever that thing is.

Next we'll be expected to believe that backing up the trailer was just getting to be too much so Grandpa Newell switched to one of these GOATs



But check out that custom $200 double handlebar.....How does one manage to afford such things?:rolleyes:

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Didn't that thing land on the Wicked Witch of the East, killing her?

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Here is what Man Servant Crimm posted up



This is what I think it is

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Lol. That made me laugh. You’d think if Rob made all that money, he’d have spent a little less on a top-of-the-line Newell, and a little more on a Winnebago. I mean for only $10,000 more you can’t start to get a pretty decent Winnebago.

And I know something about Winnebagos since I made a trip in one way back. It was a good experience, but I’d rather do the car and camping thing or car and hotel thing. I don’t like driving those big things.

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I'm pretty sure there's not a single former +$1million Newell owner on the road in a Minnie Winnie or whatever that thing is.

Next we'll be expected to believe that backing up the trailer was just getting to be too much so Grandpa Newell switched to one of these GOATs



But check out that custom $200 double handlebar.....How does one manage to afford such things?:rolleyes:

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That is a perfect vehicle for KJ to use on the strip now that he does not currently have partner valet.

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I do think MaxPen brings up a good point that lends some credibility to the amount of money Rob won exploiting the DUB.

Even after spending $1.5 million for a Newell, Rob still had some money left over to buy some fog lights for his truck. I actually think these fog lights should be part of any bet going forward. It could be included with the verification bet that Rob or someone in his family owns a Newell.

This way if Rob isn’t able to prove he owns a 2011 Newell, he might be able to prove he owns the $200 fog lights, and he’ll have met 50% of the terms of the bet, and at least been able to save some face.

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The only bugs Rob doubled up were the roaches in his apartment before skipping out on rent.

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I was being sarcastic. The story didn’t make sense from the beginning. No one spends “hours” each day looking for bugs that might not exist. That’s what Ron said in his interview.

The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randomly pushing buttons.

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Look at Bob getting all reasonable and knowledgable. He's right, looking for bugs in machines would be the most pointless thing to do in life. If Rob used the DU bug, it is become someone else told him. There is 0.000000001% chance of him having found it randomly. Lol. You're more likely to die of Covid and have a lightning strike resurrect you.

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The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.

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Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.

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I get that and was figuring someone would make your comment. But this is different. Listen to Rob’s story. He spent hours each day for years looking for bugs. And it just so happens he found a bug IDENTICAL to the one in an article.

Rob’s story would be more believable if he found a bug and made a lot of money with it, if it wasn’t the exact same bug described word for word in an article.

I’m sure you know there are more than one bugs out there. All computer programs have bugs. What’s the odds of Rob finding the exact same bug described word for word in an article? I’d say not very likely. I could say I found that bug too, and nobody could prove me wrong. Anybody could say they found that bug, and nobody could prove them wrong.

But common sense would tell you the odds of finding the exact same bug as someone else isn’t very likely. And this one was difficult to find. An IGT technically guy spent days in the lab trying to recreate this bug, and this is after he saw video of Kane and Nester exploiting it.

It’s your call if you want to believe the story, but it doesn’t ring true on many many levels.

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Ahem, gentlemen, I hate to do the "paying attention to what someone actually said" thing, but you may have missed a fairly important mention by "Singer." It turns out that he has "almost always" been paying someone to drive the Newell when his son has been unavailable.

That should yield some interesting discussions. Sounds as if someone may not want to be behind the wheel when interested parties arrive. It's possible the Newell "owner" may not actually be able to drive the Newell.

As someone who has driven quite a few moving trucks, I can sympathize. Once you get beyond 30-feet (most rental companies top off at 26), it can be a nightmare.

Hmmm, that reminds me. My brothers have CDLs. A 45-foot Newell (as "Singer" quoted in the post above), I guess that might actually require a special license in certain states. Of course, I don't know the law, but boy, a 45-footer would be tough. Might need one of them there special licensing deals.

And I guess if somebody knew that, and didn't have one, they'd have to come up with a good reason to not have one, and, well, I'm sure you boys can take it from here.

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You're right, mickey. Absolutely correct. I need to be more clear in my writing. I'll give it a go.

If "Singer" resides in Arizona and does not have a current CDL, he hasn't been driving a Class A motor home. So it's one simple hurdle. It doesn't prove he has one, of course. but if he doesn't, then he's certainly not driving one.

I'm learning all kinds of things. There are about 20 states that require larger motor homes to stop at truck weigh stations, where your license is checked.

I'm sure mickey has known this all along and will shortly be posting a pic of "Singer's" CDL just to check one more question mark off the list.

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The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.

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Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.

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I get that and was figuring someone would make your comment. But this is different. Listen to Rob’s story. He spent hours each day for years looking for bugs. And it just so happens he found a bug IDENTICAL to the one in an article.

Rob’s story would be more believable if he found a bug and made a lot of money with it, if it wasn’t the exact same bug described word for word in an article.

I’m sure you know there are more than one bugs out there. All computer programs have bugs. What’s the odds of Rob finding the exact same bug described word for word in an article? I’d say not very likely. I could say I found that bug too, and nobody could prove me wrong. Anybody could say they found that bug, and nobody could prove them wrong.

But common sense would tell you the odds of finding the exact same bug as someone else isn’t very likely. And this one was difficult to find. An IGT technically guy spent days in the lab trying to recreate this bug, and this is after he saw video of Kane and Nester exploiting it.

It’s your call if you want to believe the story, but it doesn’t ring true on many many levels.

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I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.

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Lol. That made me laugh. You’d think if Rob made all that money, he’d have spent a little less on a top-of-the-line Newell, and a little more on a Winnebago. I mean for only $10,000 more you can’t start to get a pretty decent Winnebago.

And I know something about Winnebagos since I made a trip in one way back. It was a good experience, but I’d rather do the car and camping thing or car and hotel thing. I don’t like driving those big things.

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I'm pretty sure there's not a single former +$1million Newell owner on the road in a Minnie Winnie or whatever that thing is.

Next we'll be expected to believe that backing up the trailer was just getting to be too much so Grandpa Newell switched to one of these GOATs



But check out that custom $200 double handlebar.....How does one manage to afford such things?:rolleyes:

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Didn't that thing land on the Wicked Witch of the East, killing her?

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Very good joke Deech!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leb83bRkXDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kiXh8YOzk

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Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.

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I get that and was figuring someone would make your comment. But this is different. Listen to Rob’s story. He spent hours each day for years looking for bugs. And it just so happens he found a bug IDENTICAL to the one in an article.

Rob’s story would be more believable if he found a bug and made a lot of money with it, if it wasn’t the exact same bug described word for word in an article.

I’m sure you know there are more than one bugs out there. All computer programs have bugs. What’s the odds of Rob finding the exact same bug described word for word in an article? I’d say not very likely. I could say I found that bug too, and nobody could prove me wrong. Anybody could say they found that bug, and nobody could prove them wrong.

But common sense would tell you the odds of finding the exact same bug as someone else isn’t very likely. And this one was difficult to find. An IGT technically guy spent days in the lab trying to recreate this bug, and this is after he saw video of Kane and Nester exploiting it.

It’s your call if you want to believe the story, but it doesn’t ring true on many many levels.

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I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.

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As I said before, I get that. I know software complies look for bugs after they develop new programs. In fact, some programmers will put bugs in programs so they can find them and get a bonus by the company. I read about that happening at some company. This was looked into at IGT. And it looks like this bug got in by accident.

My comments were meant about Rob and his story. He said he spent “hours” for years looking for bugs. Count me skeptical, but I don’t believe someone stays on a game for hours after they are through playing it, just pressing random buttons hoping to find a bug.

And when these software companies look for bugs this isn’t how it’s done. You should know that if you own a software company.

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lol....It's structured testing. It's not random. But they're trying to break it in any way possible. That involves trying all kinds of sequences you wouldn't expect to happen normally. Some of the big guys like Microsoft have automated this with self learning programs and still have huge QA departments and yet they still release bugs every time they do an update. Just sayin'. None of this means Singer found the bug or didn't find the bug. I also wouldn't trust anything Rob Singer says. But I can guarantee that he's not the only one looking for other flaws.

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lol....It's structured testing. It's not random. But they're trying to break it in any way possible. That involves trying all kinds of sequences you wouldn't expect to happen normally. Some of the big guys like Microsoft have automated this with self learning programs and still have huge QA departments and yet they still release bugs every time they do an update. Just sayin'. None of this means Singer found the bug or didn't find the bug. I also wouldn't trust anything Rob Singer says. But I can guarantee that he's not the only one looking for other flaws.

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I get it. I’m not an expert in this area, but the way Rob said he found this bug didn’t pass the sniff test. I think his story would have been more believable if he had claimed to find another bug.

Mr. Andrew/Alan said it best when he said Rob read the article on Kane and Neater, and decided he’d claim the bug for his own. Rob’s story lines up pretty well with the wired article, which makes sense since he probably read the article.

There were many many other things that didn’t make sense, this was only one small detail.

Like I’ve said before, the good part about this whole story is now I’m the resident expert on Newells at my company.

Note: Correction. I was, as the Fonzie sometimes says, wrong. My sincerest apologies. I called a professional driver friend, and he informed me that unless the Class A is towing something, you do not need a CDL in Arizona for a Class A.

So "Singer" would not need a CDL unless his Class A was towing something substantial.

Again, I was wrong, so my apologies.

Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

Come on, people?? Enough already. :cool: But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.

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Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.

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I get that and was figuring someone would make your comment. But this is different. Listen to Rob’s story. He spent hours each day for years looking for bugs. And it just so happens he found a bug IDENTICAL to the one in an article.

Rob’s story would be more believable if he found a bug and made a lot of money with it, if it wasn’t the exact same bug described word for word in an article.

I’m sure you know there are more than one bugs out there. All computer programs have bugs. What’s the odds of Rob finding the exact same bug described word for word in an article? I’d say not very likely. I could say I found that bug too, and nobody could prove me wrong. Anybody could say they found that bug, and nobody could prove them wrong.

But common sense would tell you the odds of finding the exact same bug as someone else isn’t very likely. And this one was difficult to find. An IGT technically guy spent days in the lab trying to recreate this bug, and this is after he saw video of Kane and Nester exploiting it.

It’s your call if you want to believe the story, but it doesn’t ring true on many many levels.

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I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.

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When you have something that has been extensively tested and hardened like video poker, it is far far different from a QA guy working on software release. This idea that Rob was methodically going around hoping to find a bug - and a bug that is actually exploitable. I mean, sure you might find something pays wrong, or something else strange, but it would be more likely the bug was not exploitable unlike this DU bug. Literally either this was inside job, or someone got lucky (and a drunk degenerate gambler is just as likely or more). I suppose though that if Rob was smart, he would just attack an area of the software that'd be exploitable but come'on - theres 0 fucking chance of that being true. No one has ever accused Rob of being smart. Most people agree he isn't near as intelligent as our lovely and cunning Tasha.

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I get that and was figuring someone would make your comment. But this is different. Listen to Rob’s story. He spent hours each day for years looking for bugs. And it just so happens he found a bug IDENTICAL to the one in an article.

Rob’s story would be more believable if he found a bug and made a lot of money with it, if it wasn’t the exact same bug described word for word in an article.

I’m sure you know there are more than one bugs out there. All computer programs have bugs. What’s the odds of Rob finding the exact same bug described word for word in an article? I’d say not very likely. I could say I found that bug too, and nobody could prove me wrong. Anybody could say they found that bug, and nobody could prove them wrong.

But common sense would tell you the odds of finding the exact same bug as someone else isn’t very likely. And this one was difficult to find. An IGT technically guy spent days in the lab trying to recreate this bug, and this is after he saw video of Kane and Nester exploiting it.

It’s your call if you want to believe the story, but it doesn’t ring true on many many levels.

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I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.

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When you have something that has been extensively tested and hardened like video poker, it is far far different from a QA guy working on software release. This idea that Rob was methodically going around hoping to find a bug - and a bug that is actually exploitable. I mean, sure you might find something pays wrong, or something else strange, but it would be more likely the bug was not exploitable unlike this DU bug. Literally either this was inside job, or someone got lucky (and a drunk degenerate gambler is just as likely or more). I suppose though that if Rob was smart, he would just attack an area of the software that'd be exploitable but come'on - theres 0 fucking chance of that being true. No one has ever accused Rob of being smart. Most people agree he isn't near as intelligent as our lovely and cunning Tasha.

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Well you're right about that....about Rob not being smart. There's probably 10000 little glitches that don't impact the payout for one that might....and those glitches are few and far between. People are still looking though.

Here's a good one. There was this Canadian fellow Daniel Corriveau, who in 1994 won 600K playing electronic keno when he realized that the machine was seeded with the same random number every time it was powered off. It so happened Casino Montreal powered off that machine every night when they vacuumed. He picked 19 of 20 numbers three times in a row AND he was cleared of any wrongdoing AND collected his money. That major flaw made it out of QA on a hardened machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_de_Montr%C3%A9al

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Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

Come on, people?? Enough already. :cool: But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.

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I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.

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When you have something that has been extensively tested and hardened like video poker, it is far far different from a QA guy working on software release. This idea that Rob was methodically going around hoping to find a bug - and a bug that is actually exploitable. I mean, sure you might find something pays wrong, or something else strange, but it would be more likely the bug was not exploitable unlike this DU bug. Literally either this was inside job, or someone got lucky (and a drunk degenerate gambler is just as likely or more). I suppose though that if Rob was smart, he would just attack an area of the software that'd be exploitable but come'on - theres 0 fucking chance of that being true. No one has ever accused Rob of being smart. Most people agree he isn't near as intelligent as our lovely and cunning Tasha.

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Well you're right about that....about Rob not being smart. There's probably 10000 little glitches that don't impact the payout for one that might....and those glitches are few and far between. People are still looking though.

Here's a good one. There was this Canadian fellow Daniel Corriveau, who in 1994 won 600K playing electronic keno when he realized that the machine was seeded with the same random number every time it was powered off. It so happened Casino Montreal powered off that machine every night when they vacuumed. He picked 19 of 20 numbers three times in a row AND he was cleared of any wrongdoing AND collected his money. That major flaw made it out of QA on a hardened machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_de_Montr%C3%A9al

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That’s interesting! Thanks for posting the link unowme.

I think we might have spotted the next bug Rob has exploited. It’s called the Montreal Casino keno bug.