Honestly, proper training on duty to intervene and not having cops do anything solo would probably cover most problems. You’ve got Chauvin, but if any of the other officers had pulled him off of Floyd, the last few weeks doesn’t happen.
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Honestly, proper training on duty to intervene and not having cops do anything solo would probably cover most problems. You’ve got Chauvin, but if any of the other officers had pulled him off of Floyd, the last few weeks doesn’t happen.
The first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Yeah, I thought the same thing. It was so bad it wouldn’t be too far fetched to go down the conspiracy road, and believe Chauvin was a Black Lives Matters sympathizer and decided to sacrifice his life to further their cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThe first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I mean this makes as much sense as believing he woke up that morning wanting to spend the rest of his life in jail and probably be killed in jail. I mean his life is ruined no matter how you look at it.
People are speculating on if this or that happened during the incident, Floyd wouldn’t have died and our country wouldn’t be in this mess. Well that’s true with almost anything like this. That’s why it made news...it’s the exception.
If we’re going to play the “what if” game, let’s go back even further. What if we had a justify system that worked? If we had one that worked, Floyd wouldn’t have been on the streets that day high on drugs committing a crime, and this incident would have never happened. I mean Floyd had been in prison 9 times. You’d think at some point, our justice system would keep him in prison. We used to have a 3 strikes and you’re out rule. I mean this guy had 9 strikes and he still wasn’t out.
Reducing the amount of violent encounters between police and criminals will go along way in stopping something like this.
The sad fact is this incident will lead to more innocent police officers being killed in the line of duty. They are already 18 times more likely to die in an encounter with a black man than the other way around. Why is this? Probably because the officers are too hesitatant to use force. Now they will be even more hestitant to use force, so more will be killed in the line of duty.
When will there be outrage and protests for all the innocent cops being killed?
So if you want to know who to blame, it’s really our liberal justice system that continues to release violent criminals back into society.
And who is responsible for our liberal justice system? Liberal Democrats. These problems all come back to liberals. That’s why I harp so much on liberals.
I think the autopsy report shows that nothing Chauvin did caused Floyd's death. I also saw an article that stated that hold is allowed in the Minneapolis PD. Stock up on ammo because all these cops are gonna walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThe first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Yes, sir! Don't you worry, I'll be plenty ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Violence/Aggression/Crime---No.
Self-Defense---Yes.
Life/Death---Don't Really Care.
Let's have some fucking fun! If they come to me, not my fault.
I’ve read the same thing. This case is more similar to the Rodney King case than people realize. Even though the police beating Rodney looked bad at the end, it didn’t look as bad in context. Everybody agreed the initial blows were warranted to stop a man resisting arrest. So then as a jury you’ve got to decide which blows were exessive. That’s not easy since Rodney King never complied.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI think the autopsy report shows that nothing Chauvin did caused Floyd's death. I also saw an article that stated that hold is allowed in the Minneapolis PD. Stock up on ammo because all these cops are gonna walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThe first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
With George Floyd, he resisted arrest for 10 mins. It doesn’t matter he was in handcuffs; he was resisting arrest and wouldn’t get in the police car. There is footage of the scuffles. The police finally gave up and restrained him and obviously went too far. But if you are the jury you’ve got to determine at what point was it exsessive. It is easy to see from the outside, when we’re only seeing the end of this encounter. But within context of the police struggling with Floyd for 10 minutes, and then having to restrain him, it’s not as clear cut.
The confusion and taunting from the onlookers probably contributed to the problem. I rewatched the whole video Darkoz posted. There are two times Floyd raised his head off the pavement and Chauvin’s knee goes up so it wasn’t like Chauvin had all his weight on that knee. It’s not as open and shut case as people think.
But people like MWP who don’t believe in equal justice for our cops have already convicted all the cops before they get their day in court. Sad.
I don't know Max, maybe 2 or 3 but not Chauvin. I hadn't heard that about the autopsy report, but if that's true I guess one could make a case that they may have over charged with 2nd degree murder. Couldn't imagine being on that jury, where anything less than what he has been charged with won't be accepted. Hell, the lynch mob would have already put him in front of a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI think the autopsy report shows that nothing Chauvin did caused Floyd's death. I also saw an article that stated that hold is allowed in the Minneapolis PD. Stock up on ammo because all these cops are gonna walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThe first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I have enough ammo for a red dawn invasion.
Not me, I'm afraid. But, I have enough to at least take a few motherfuckers with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
I only have more than that because I plan on passing it out to people that think like me. Everyone has to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Not me, I'm afraid. But, I have enough to at least take a few motherfuckers with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
This is where I would love the show a picture. As many of us with common sense would.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI only have more than that because I plan on passing it out to people that think like me. Everyone has to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Not me, I'm afraid. But, I have enough to at least take a few motherfuckers with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
There were now two autopsies done. One by the county medical examiner and one hired by the Floyd family.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI think the autopsy report shows that nothing Chauvin did caused Floyd's death. I also saw an article that stated that hold is allowed in the Minneapolis PD. Stock up on ammo because all these cops are gonna walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThe first time I saw that video I kept waiting for one of the other cops to give Chauvin the tap on his shoulder, as if to say okay that's good we got him, you can get off him now. They never did. Then the longer it went on I was expecting one of them to go behind Chauvin and grab him by his shoulders to pull him off. That didn't happen either. I think there was grave concern on the part of at least one cop who was in front, but for whatever reason they didn't intervene. Perhaps it was because Chauvin was the supervising officer and they were brand new and didn't want to show him up. Either way it's a tragedy that they didn't have the courage to stuff Chauvin's rank & experience and get him off of Floyd's neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
According to this article they amount to saying the same thing in different wordd.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...they-seem/amp/
The cause of death was something like "Heart attack brought on by carotid artery pressure" (it was in more scientific terms).
A lot of Chauvin supporters honed in on the heart attack aspect as if having someone hold a knee on your neck as you lose consciousness couldn't possibly be a factor in causing a heart attack, SMH
I find the whole argument of natural causes ridiculous. To understand how ridiculous just substitute someone who is not a cop holding his knee on an old ladies neck for 8 minutes like Chauvin did and then ask how you would laugh when the defense says"but she died of natural causes. See she suffered a heart attack while that guys knee was on her neck".
Yeah, we know everyone one here would not find that credible
There are a lot of Chauvin supporters?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThere were now two autopsies done. One by the county medical examiner and one hired by the Floyd family.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI think the autopsy report shows that nothing Chauvin did caused Floyd's death. I also saw an article that stated that hold is allowed in the Minneapolis PD. Stock up on ammo because all these cops are gonna walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
According to this article they amount to saying the same thing in different wordd.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...they-seem/amp/
The cause of death was something like "Heart attack brought on by carotid artery pressure" (it was in more scientific terms).
A lot of Chauvin supporters honed in on the heart attack aspect as if having someone hold a knee on your neck as you lose consciousness couldn't possibly be a factor in causing a heart attack, SMH
Perhaps not. I see even Fox news and a lot of people on the right are horrified at Chauvin acts. So apologize if I went too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThere are a lot of Chauvin supporters?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThere were now two autopsies done. One by the county medical examiner and one hired by the Floyd family.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
According to this article they amount to saying the same thing in different wordd.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...they-seem/amp/
The cause of death was something like "Heart attack brought on by carotid artery pressure" (it was in more scientific terms).
A lot of Chauvin supporters honed in on the heart attack aspect as if having someone hold a knee on your neck as you lose consciousness couldn't possibly be a factor in causing a heart attack, SMH
Just saying the autopsies don't exonerate Chauvin as much as the last few posts might suggest
We'll leave it to the experts during the trial.....FYI disclosure,,,,I already have action that Chauvin will not be found guilty of any degree of murder or manslaughter.
Darkoz, I don’t think anybody’s trying to exonerate Chauvin. I’m just looking at it from the defense standpoint. What would I do if I was Chauvin’s lawyer? All I’m saying is Chauvin does have a case, more so than I think some people think.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozPerhaps not. I see even Fox news and a lot of people on the right are horrified at Chauvin acts. So apologize if I went too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyjThere are a lot of Chauvin supporters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Just saying the autopsies don't exonerate Chauvin as much as the last few posts might suggest
Here’s his case: Chauvin is a police officer and was called to arrest someone for committing a crime. That person resisted arrest for 10 minutes. That person was high on drugs. Chauvin and two other police officers then restrained Floyd while they called an ambulance. I’m still unclear why the ambulance was called because it was called two minutes after they were sitting on him.
The police used a technique to restrain Floyd which is part of police protocol. During the time Floyd was restrained he died. Like I said, there’s no one who doesn’t think the restraint was overboard. But if you’re going to convict Cheuvan of some type of murder you have to show intent to kill. And that’s going to be harder to prove then people think.
Bystanders pointing out Floyd wasn’t moving and other things bystanders were saying can be dismissed by the defense as the cops hearing this kind of complaining on a daily basis, so over time the cops have become tone deaf to it. I mean I watch these reality cop shows sometimes and cops are always being yelled at and disrespected in these neighborhoods.
The first autopsy will be used by the defense to support other factors being involved in Floyd’s death, such as a heart condition and drugs. Obviously, the officers sitting on him was the main contributing cause. I don’t think anybody questions that. But the autopsy report does give the defense some ammunition.
Floyd’s criminal record will not be admissible in court, but what happened that day will be. Floyd wasn’t a model criminal that day. His actions led to the reason he was restrained.
I have no idea how the case will turn out, but Chauvin does have a defense. I expect he will be found guilty on some lesser charge of police brutality. I do not believe he will be convicted of third-degree murder, from what I read third-degree murder is. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. If it doesn’t turn out the way the liberals want, watch out.
And I do think if our criminal justice system had done its job this would’ve never happened. Floyd would’ve been sitting in jail behind bars rather than out in society committing another crime.
I agree and the defense has every right to argue their case to the fullestQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Darkoz, I don’t think anybody’s trying to exonerate Chauvin. I’m just looking at it from the defense standpoint. What would I do if I was Chauvin’s lawyer? All I’m saying is Chauvin does have a case, more so than I think some people think.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozPerhaps not. I see even Fox news and a lot of people on the right are horrified at Chauvin acts. So apologize if I went too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
Just saying the autopsies don't exonerate Chauvin as much as the last few posts might suggest
Here’s his case: Chauvin is a police officer and was called to arrest someone for committing a crime. That person resisted arrest for 10 minutes. That person was high on drugs. Chauvin and two other police officers then restrained Floyd while they called an ambulance. I’m still unclear why the ambulance was called because it was called two minutes after they were sitting on him.
The police used a technique to restrain Floyd which is part of police protocol. During the time Floyd was restrained he died. Like I said, there’s no one who doesn’t think the restraint was overboard. But if you’re going to convict Cheuvan of some type of murder you have to show intent to kill. And that’s going to be harder to prove then people think.
Bystanders pointing out Floyd wasn’t moving and other things bystanders were saying can be dismissed by the defense as the cops hearing this kind of complaining on a daily basis, so over time the cops have become tone deaf to it. I mean I watch these reality cop shows sometimes and cops are always being yelled at and disrespected in these neighborhoods.
The first autopsy will be used by the defense to support other factors being involved in Floyd’s death, such as a heart condition and drugs. Obviously, the officers sitting on him was the main contributing cause. I don’t think anybody questions that. But the autopsy report does give the defense some ammunition.
Floyd’s criminal record will not be admissible in court, but what happened that day will be. Floyd wasn’t a model criminal that day. His actions led to the reason he was restrained.
I have no idea how the case will turn out, but Chauvin does have a defense. I expect he will be found guilty on some lesser charge of police brutality. I do not believe he will be convicted of third-degree murder, from what I read third-degree murder is. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. If it doesn’t turn out the way the liberals want, watch out.
And I do think if our criminal justice system had done its job this would’ve never happened. Floyd would’ve been sitting in jail behind bars rather than out in society committing another crime.
I do disagree about proving 3rd degree murder which is one of his charges. They may not prove 2nd degree but 3rd I think the video says it all.
The 3rd degree statute in Minnesota is a bit different than I believe elsewhere
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
Notice the very first line. Whoever WITHOUT INTENT to effect the death...
I.E. they don't have to prove Derek Chauvin had any intent to murder Floyd. All they have to prove is depraved indifference to human life.
Hmmm!
Good point! Yeah, third degree murder fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI agree and the defense has every right to argue their case to the fullestQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Darkoz, I don’t think anybody’s trying to exonerate Chauvin. I’m just looking at it from the defense standpoint. What would I do if I was Chauvin’s lawyer? All I’m saying is Chauvin does have a case, more so than I think some people think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Here’s his case: Chauvin is a police officer and was called to arrest someone for committing a crime. That person resisted arrest for 10 minutes. That person was high on drugs. Chauvin and two other police officers then restrained Floyd while they called an ambulance. I’m still unclear why the ambulance was called because it was called two minutes after they were sitting on him.
The police used a technique to restrain Floyd which is part of police protocol. During the time Floyd was restrained he died. Like I said, there’s no one who doesn’t think the restraint was overboard. But if you’re going to convict Cheuvan of some type of murder you have to show intent to kill. And that’s going to be harder to prove then people think.
Bystanders pointing out Floyd wasn’t moving and other things bystanders were saying can be dismissed by the defense as the cops hearing this kind of complaining on a daily basis, so over time the cops have become tone deaf to it. I mean I watch these reality cop shows sometimes and cops are always being yelled at and disrespected in these neighborhoods.
The first autopsy will be used by the defense to support other factors being involved in Floyd’s death, such as a heart condition and drugs. Obviously, the officers sitting on him was the main contributing cause. I don’t think anybody questions that. But the autopsy report does give the defense some ammunition.
Floyd’s criminal record will not be admissible in court, but what happened that day will be. Floyd wasn’t a model criminal that day. His actions led to the reason he was restrained.
I have no idea how the case will turn out, but Chauvin does have a defense. I expect he will be found guilty on some lesser charge of police brutality. I do not believe he will be convicted of third-degree murder, from what I read third-degree murder is. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. If it doesn’t turn out the way the liberals want, watch out.
And I do think if our criminal justice system had done its job this would’ve never happened. Floyd would’ve been sitting in jail behind bars rather than out in society committing another crime.
I do disagree about proving 3rd degree murder which is one of his charges. They may not prove 2nd degree but 3rd I think the video says it all.
The 3rd degree statute in Minnesota is a bit different than I believe elsewhere
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
Notice the very first line. Whoever WITHOUT INTENT to effect the death...
I.E. they don't have to prove Derek Chauvin had any intent to murder Floyd. All they have to prove is depraved indifference to human life.
Hmmm!
But the fact there were two other cops on Floyd will make it difficult to prove who killed him. I looked at the video again and the cop in the middle had both knees on Floyd, meaning all his weight was on Floyd.
At least Chauvin had one knee on the pavement, indicating his whole weight wasn’t on Floyd’s neck. And the first autopsy didn’t see signs of strangulation. Also, at one point Floyd cries out his stomach hurts, meaning the weight of the cop on his back was hurting him.
If they can’t prove which cop killed him, it’s difficult to convict either one. It actually works to Chauvin’s favor there was more than one cop on top of Floyd.
There’s a lot for a defense attorney to work with in these videos. Even Chauvin pulling out his mace can about half way through the video indicates Chauvin’s state of mind, and that he was in a defensive mindset.
No doubt about it, the video looks bad...and Chauvin could get convicted for 3rd degree murder. But if the jury finds him innocent of 3rd degree murder, I wouldn’t be surprised either.
I’ll be watching the trial. If it looks like Chauvin might be acquitted, people need to stock up on things because we could be headed to Armageddon.
According to at least one report, Derek Chauvin felt that because George Floyd was talking fine, Floyd was okay when he was pleading fir him to get off his knee. Only when Floyd DIED was when Chauvin realized he just killed someone. The other Officers were also at fault. They coukd and should have gotten Chauvin off of George's damn neck. No wonder they are also being charged too. I can't believe I'm saying this, but tines like this is when using a damn Tazer would have been better than what happened. Suspect is furiously resisting arrest? Tazing him would have been much better than putting a knee in his neck for almost 9 ninutes! He involuntarily "Dances," he is able to be arrested, and no one DIES!
That's factually inaccurate. In the State of Minnesota, third-degree murder does not require intent to kill. Specifically, it can merely require indifference to whether or not the person lives or dies. If I had to express Chauvin's facial expressions throughout in a word, "Indifferent," would be on my short list. In fact, Third-Degree Murder is the charge they use specifically for absence of intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
EDIT-ADDED----Sorry, I see this part was already addressed.
You would definitely make the argument, but I'm not sure it holds water when you're talking about the better part of ten minutes.Quote:
Bystanders pointing out Floyd wasn’t moving and other things bystanders were saying can be dismissed by the defense as the cops hearing this kind of complaining on a daily basis, so over time the cops have become tone deaf to it. I mean I watch these reality cop shows sometimes and cops are always being yelled at and disrespected in these neighborhoods.
Yeah, some sort of police brutality or maybe involuntary manslaughter.Quote:
I have no idea how the case will turn out, but Chauvin does have a defense. I expect he will be found guilty on some lesser charge of police brutality. I do not believe he will be convicted of third-degree murder, from what I read third-degree murder is. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. If it doesn’t turn out the way the liberals want, watch out.
And I do think if our criminal justice system had done its job this would’ve never happened. Floyd would’ve been sitting in jail behind bars rather than out in society committing another crime.
Ask you this: Now knowing third-degree does not require intent, if the prosecution offered you a plea deal for Involuntary Manslaughter, and you're Chauvin's attorney, do you take the deal?
Yes, I would take it. Like you said, for almost 10 mins doing what he did is hard to justify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But I doubt if the prosecution politically will be able to do that, meaning offer Chauvin a plea deal. It’d look like they were letting Chauvin off easy. I think they will have to go forward with the 3rd degree murder charges, which might be an overreach. I mean some people want 1st degree murder charges. There’s a big group like MWP that wants Chauvin burned at the stake without any trial.
There are several articles about Minneapolis neck resistant procedures. It can be used in theee cases. And Chauvin use of it fits one of those cases, based on what Floyd did. So Chauvin was technically following police protocol.
Then the question becomes when should Chauvin have stopped. That’s a more difficult question to answer than people think. Obviously, Floyd saying he can’t breath isn’t good for Chauvin.
The couple things Chauvin has going for him is the autopsy report and other police were kneeing on Floyd too. How can the defense prove who really killed him?
I agree it’s hard to watch, and it’s hard to see Chauvin not understanding what it looked like to others. I expect in Chauvin’s mind he felt he was just implementing a move he was taught to restrain a man who continually resisted arrest. There is no question Chauvin took it too far. But to say he intended to kill a man that day is ridiculous.
Like you said, 3rd degree doesn’t require “intent” so they have a chance to get him on that. But it could fail. It’s definitely not a slam dunk case.
From what I read a few days ago in an article (can't find it out but I don't have time at the moment to dig) is it's the combination of restraining the neck plus putting pressure on the back which compresses the lungs inward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Good point! Yeah, third degree murder fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI agree and the defense has every right to argue their case to the fullestQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I do disagree about proving 3rd degree murder which is one of his charges. They may not prove 2nd degree but 3rd I think the video says it all.
The 3rd degree statute in Minnesota is a bit different than I believe elsewhere
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
Notice the very first line. Whoever WITHOUT INTENT to effect the death...
I.E. they don't have to prove Derek Chauvin had any intent to murder Floyd. All they have to prove is depraved indifference to human life.
Hmmm!
But the fact there were two other cops on Floyd will make it difficult to prove who killed him. I looked at the video again and the cop in the middle had both knees on Floyd, meaning all his weight was on Floyd.
At least Chauvin had one knee on the pavement, indicating his whole weight wasn’t on Floyd’s neck. And the first autopsy didn’t see signs of strangulation. Also, at one point Floyd cries out his stomach hurts, meaning the weight of the cop on his back was hurting him.
If they can’t prove which cop killed him, it’s difficult to convict either one. It actually works to Chauvin’s favor there was more than one cop on top of Floyd.
There’s a lot for a defense attorney to work with in these videos. Even Chauvin pulling out his mace can about half way through the video indicates Chauvin’s state of mind, and that he was in a defensive mindset.
No doubt about it, the video looks bad...and Chauvin could get convicted for 3rd degree murder. But if the jury finds him innocent of 3rd degree murder, I wouldn’t be surprised either.
I’ll be watching the trial. If it looks like Chauvin might be acquitted, people need to stock up on things because we could be headed to Armageddon.
I don't know any place in the USA where you take part in a murder and say not guilty cause the other guy did it. Usually it winds up with everyone going to jail, not everyone getting off. But hey these are cops, right?
The one with his knees on back is heard saying on police bodycam that they should turn him around onto his stomach. Chauvin says to leave him in his current position which is against police policy. I believe that's another reason Chauvin is getting the brunt. His verbal order on the bodycam which goes against the department policy.
As to the officer saying they should turn him over that's a wash.
Defense: see that proves he knew it was wrong and tried to get Chauvin to do the right thing.
Prosecution: see that proves he knew it was wrong but acquiesced to Chauvin basically joining in.
See how easy it is to spin it either way.
There is one more piece of evidence that is pretty damning in my opinion. The 911 call.
Apparently it was made early into the 9 minutes when Floyd was just restrained. They noticed he was having some form of medical emergency.
If the officers felt there was a legit medical emergency then why the need for a neck restraint? He is flat on the floor with a medical emergency requiring EMT assistance and Chauvin decides 9 minutes of choking is smart? I think any claim they were concerned for their safety goes out the window
Darkoz, you’re kind of missing my point. Of course the prosecution has a strong case. Anybody who has watched the video can see that. You don’t need to explain the prosecution’s case to me. It goes almost without saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozFrom what I read a few days ago in an article (can't find it out but I don't have time at the moment to dig) is it's the combination of restraining the neck plus putting pressure on the back which compresses the lungs inward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Good point! Yeah, third degree murder fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
But the fact there were two other cops on Floyd will make it difficult to prove who killed him. I looked at the video again and the cop in the middle had both knees on Floyd, meaning all his weight was on Floyd.
At least Chauvin had one knee on the pavement, indicating his whole weight wasn’t on Floyd’s neck. And the first autopsy didn’t see signs of strangulation. Also, at one point Floyd cries out his stomach hurts, meaning the weight of the cop on his back was hurting him.
If they can’t prove which cop killed him, it’s difficult to convict either one. It actually works to Chauvin’s favor there was more than one cop on top of Floyd.
There’s a lot for a defense attorney to work with in these videos. Even Chauvin pulling out his mace can about half way through the video indicates Chauvin’s state of mind, and that he was in a defensive mindset.
No doubt about it, the video looks bad...and Chauvin could get convicted for 3rd degree murder. But if the jury finds him innocent of 3rd degree murder, I wouldn’t be surprised either.
I’ll be watching the trial. If it looks like Chauvin might be acquitted, people need to stock up on things because we could be headed to Armageddon.
I don't know any place in the USA where you take part in a murder and say not guilty cause the other guy did it. Usually it winds up with everyone going to jail, not everyone getting off. But hey these are cops, right?
The one with his knees on back is heard saying on police bodycam that they should turn him around onto his stomach. Chauvin says to leave him in his current position which is against police policy. I believe that's another reason Chauvin is getting the brunt. His verbal order on the bodycam which goes against the department policy.
As to the officer saying they should turn him over that's a wash.
Defense: see that proves he knew it was wrong and tried to get Chauvin to do the right thing.
Prosecution: see that proves he knew it was wrong but acquiesced to Chauvin basically joining in.
See how easy it is to spin it either way.
There is one more piece of evidence that is pretty damning in my opinion. The 911 call.
Apparently it was made early into the 9 minutes when Floyd was just restrained. They noticed he was having some form of medical emergency.
If the officers felt there was a legit medical emergency then why the need for a neck restraint? He is flat on the floor with a medical emergency requiring EMT assistance and Chauvin decides 9 minutes of choking is smart? I think any claim they were concerned for their safety goes out the window
My only point is many people think Chauvin has no defense. They are surprised he’s even allowed to go to trial. People like MWP would like to burn him at the stake without a trial. I’ve even seen several conservatives on this site say almost as much. That has surprised me.
My only point is Chauvin has a defense. And I think it’s much stronger than people realize.
I’m old school and believe a little street justice by our police isn’t such a bad thing. I’ll be honest I’m not too sympathetic to a career criminal dieing at the hands of police while resisting arrest, and this has nothing to do with this case. I’m just talking in general.
And this has nothing to do with white and black issue, even though the liberals have tried to make it a race thing.
Back in the old west days, when the sheriff and his posse caught a cattle rustler, he was strung up. And contrary to what the liberals want you to believe they were a lot of white people who were lynched. No one screamed for justice for the criminal back then. They were glad law enforcement took care of the problem without bringing the criminal back to town.
Today everyone cares only about the criminal’s rights, and few care about police. There is a reason so many police die in the line of duty, and so many police commit suicide. Through all this, I learned police suicides are higher than the amount that die in line of duty.
Police have a thankless job with the liberals and media constantly criticizing every move they make, and type casting all of them because of a couple bad apples.... and then constantly defending the bad guy.
When I heard of the George Floyd situation and loooked into, I was more outraged at our criminal justice system. I know I’m in the minority though. I thought how can someone go to prison 9 times and still be out on the street committing crimes. That’s the real travesty.
I'd like to think that they should. I would hold police to a higher criminal standard for stuff of this nature, since they're supposed to be the ones enforcing the law, anyway, but if we're essentially trying him on a civilian crime...then he should get the same treatment under the law anyone else would. If the prosecution would normally be inclined to offer a plea bargain, then a plea bargain should be offered here. That's also why he should have been arrested straight away, of course...a couple weeks ago the big argument I was having with some people is if you had me (as a civilian) doing that to someone for ten minutes, on video, I'm in jail immediately while the investigation takes place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yes, I would take it. Like you said, for almost 10 mins doing what he did is hard to justify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But I doubt if the prosecution politically will be able to do that, meaning offer Chauvin a plea deal. It’d look like they were letting Chauvin off easy. I think they will have to go forward with the 3rd degree murder charges, which might be an overreach. I mean some people want 1st degree murder charges. There’s a big group like MWP that wants Chauvin burned at the stake without any trial.
There are several articles about Minneapolis neck resistant procedures. It can be used in theee cases. And Chauvin use of it fits one of those cases, based on what Floyd did. So Chauvin was technically following police protocol.
Then the question becomes when should Chauvin have stopped. That’s a more difficult question to answer than people think. Obviously, Floyd saying he can’t breath isn’t good for Chauvin.
The couple things Chauvin has going for him is the autopsy report and other police were kneeing on Floyd too. How can the defense prove who really killed him?
I agree it’s hard to watch, and it’s hard to see Chauvin not understanding what it looked like to others. I expect in Chauvin’s mind he felt he was just implementing a move he was taught to restrain a man who continually resisted arrest. There is no question Chauvin took it too far. But to say he intended to kill a man that day is ridiculous.
Like you said, 3rd degree doesn’t require “intent” so they have a chance to get him on that. But it could fail. It’s definitely not a slam dunk case.
But, there's a legal process that applies to everyone and should not change based on who the person is. If he were to be offered Involuntary Manslaughter, accept, get hit with something reasonably close to the maximum prison sentence for it and everyone flips out, then they're just flipping out about the justice system doing its job.
I'm not a lawyer, but were I the prosecutor, my play would be I'm going to bring charges for third-degree murder unless he takes involuntary manslaughter. If denied, I'd bring charges for involuntary manslaughter.
In the interest of OPSEC I'll pass on the picture.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozThis is where I would love the show a picture. As many of us with common sense would.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI only have more than that because I plan on passing it out to people that think like me. Everyone has to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Though anyone serious about securing themselves until opposing armies can be formed should have a minimal amount to supply atleast a fire-team. A platoon supply might be ideal but for most not practical. I'd say I fall somewhere in between.
Though I am likely to be suffering a boating accident in the near future as I transport the stash across Lake Mead.....ooof
Mission146, I’m going to completely disgree with you here. I hear people make this type of argument all the time about police being held to “a higher standard”. I don’t think most people even know what they mean when they say that. They’ve just heard it so much, they start repeating it. It sounds like something intelligent to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I'd like to think that they should. I would hold police to a higher criminal standard for stuff of this nature, since they're supposed to be the ones enforcing the law, anyway, but if we're essentially trying him on a civilian crime...then he should get the same treatment under the law anyone else would. If the prosecution would normally be inclined to offer a plea bargain, then a plea bargain should be offered here. That's also why he should have been arrested straight away, of course...a couple weeks ago the big argument I was having with some people is if you had me (as a civilian) doing that to someone for ten minutes, on video, I'm in jail immediately while the investigation takes place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yes, I would take it. Like you said, for almost 10 mins doing what he did is hard to justify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But I doubt if the prosecution politically will be able to do that, meaning offer Chauvin a plea deal. It’d look like they were letting Chauvin off easy. I think they will have to go forward with the 3rd degree murder charges, which might be an overreach. I mean some people want 1st degree murder charges. There’s a big group like MWP that wants Chauvin burned at the stake without any trial.
There are several articles about Minneapolis neck resistant procedures. It can be used in theee cases. And Chauvin use of it fits one of those cases, based on what Floyd did. So Chauvin was technically following police protocol.
Then the question becomes when should Chauvin have stopped. That’s a more difficult question to answer than people think. Obviously, Floyd saying he can’t breath isn’t good for Chauvin.
The couple things Chauvin has going for him is the autopsy report and other police were kneeing on Floyd too. How can the defense prove who really killed him?
I agree it’s hard to watch, and it’s hard to see Chauvin not understanding what it looked like to others. I expect in Chauvin’s mind he felt he was just implementing a move he was taught to restrain a man who continually resisted arrest. There is no question Chauvin took it too far. But to say he intended to kill a man that day is ridiculous.
Like you said, 3rd degree doesn’t require “intent” so they have a chance to get him on that. But it could fail. It’s definitely not a slam dunk case.
But, there's a legal process that applies to everyone and should not change based on who the person is. If he were to be offered Involuntary Manslaughter, accept, get hit with something reasonably close to the maximum prison sentence for it and everyone flips out, then they're just flipping out about the justice system doing its job.
I'm not a lawyer, but were I the prosecutor, my play would be I'm going to bring charges for third-degree murder unless he takes involuntary manslaughter. If denied, I'd bring charges for involuntary manslaughter.
Police will and should always be treated differently then regular Joe for doing the same things to a civilian/criminal. A policeman’s job is to arrest criminals. This is not the job of a civilian.
If civilian was doing a neck restraint move to Floyd, then the civilian should much more accountable for doing this to another person then a policeman. I mean civilians are not supposed to restrain another civilian with a neck restrain move. It’s that simple.
Like it or not, policemen are supposed to do this move when confronted with a criminal resisting arrest. At least if they are trained by the liberal police dept in Minneapolis.
So what Chauvin was doing was part of his job. He was doing what he was trained to do. Now where he is in trouble is that he pushed it too far. He did the neck restraint move on a criminal to the place where the criminal died.
The jury needs to decide if Chauvin took it too far. Most people who’ve seen the video would say yes.
But let’s not pretend civilians are going to be treated the same as police for doing the same thing to a civilian/criminal. If you believe this, you don’t understand the job of a policeman.
Same with Rodney King incidents. 5 civilians should not be beating a criminal with batons. But this is acceptable behavior for policemen who are trying to subdue a criminal resisting arrest. I’m not making the laws, I’m just saying at the time of Rodney King’s arrest, the policeman were just following their training. That’s why they weren’t convicted.
Why is it so hard for people to understand policeman and civilians will always be treated differently under the law when something happens to a criminal, since they have very different functions in our society.
I’m in no way saying police brutality is okay. It’s not. I’ve had a friend take the police to court for this. It just so happened this guy was white, so police brutality happens to white people too.
No doubt about it, there are some bad policeman out there. I’m shocked anybody would think all 800,000 policeman are all good...or there is some policy to make almost a million people perfect. It’s not going to happen. Basic stats should tell you some have to be bad.
I'd be interested to know how many people support murder charges for these people. Should the guy succumb to his injuries.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/col...cal-condition/
Where the trial is held will have a lot to do with it. If it's downtown Minneapolis he's most likely a dead duck. If a change of venue puts it in a more conservative area then Chauvin has a chance to go scott free. The makeup of the jury will tell the story.
Omission is another way you are manipulated by the media. Are you keeping up with the story of the new country, CHAZistan, that was formed in downtown Seattle? Then you are probably watching Fox News. CNN and MSNBC are hardly covering the story.
With whats going on in CHAZistan it looks like the left has done an about face and now supports walls and closed borders.
I certainly know what I mean by it. If they commit a crime in the course and scope of their duty, they face a stricter criminal penalty. Yes, they have certain things they can do that are crimes in the context of a civilian, but not in that of an officer; I'm saying when they do commit a crime, the penalty should be more harsh. But, the law doesn't say that right now, so it is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I also agree with you on the jury. Like I said, the legal process is what it is and should work for him the same as it would anyone else. I think jury selection is going to be one hell of a messy affair on this one!
Maybe manslaughter. In Virginia, there must be an intent to kill and premeditation for it to be murder.*Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
*This is sometimes not true, but none of the cases where it isn't apply. Although, if you're ever getting frisky in Virginia and accidentally kill someone by penetrating them with an inanimate object...you guessed it, First Degree Murder. Weird state, that law must be pretty old.
You mean like this CNN coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
https://youtu.be/cXqcYPQm0WU
I bet it really irks righties that people in a six block radius they claim are setting up a new country are most likely still Americans collecting their government funds.
Lol, Tucker Carlson's Comedy Hour. He even points out there are people walking around armed. Ahem, In an open carry state, wow what a shock.
Oh, sorry wait, if it's white right it's open carry, if it's black left it's terrorism. Got it!
The real joke is all the violence was occuring when the cops were there. Place finally got peaceful when the damn terrorists in blue uniforms left
You have no idea where shit like this leads. Because you've never experienced what happens when you encourage decentralized control. Going to be funny when NYC turns into Somalia with various precincts taken over by different gang leaders. Pretty soon we'll be Mexico with various cities under control of cartels, gangs, and self appointed warlords. If this kind of shit is allowed to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
The good thing is, the people who can fix this shit in a couple days are waiting patiently to be given the green light. These amateur troublemakers have no idea what could rain down on their ignorant asses. That's the real joke.
That depends on how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYou have no idea where shit like this leads. Because you've never experienced what happens when you encourage decentralized control. Going to be funny when NYC turns into Somalia with various precincts taken over by different gang leaders. Pretty soon we'll be Mexico with various cities under control of cartels, gangs, and self appointed warlords. If this kind of shit is allowed to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
The good thing is, the people who can fix this shit in a couple days are waiting patiently to be given the green light. These amateur troublemakers have no idea what could rain down on their ignorant asses. That's the real joke.
So far there are no reports of violence inside CHAZ. Some right wingers are giving their imagination of what is happening but no reports or visual evidence.
Seems like a peaceful protest so far
Trust me troops go in an start killing unarmed Americans (and only a few appear to be armed and in an open carry state at that) I bet all those protesters will have out their cell phones.
Could be dozens of videos showing people being brutalized.
Let's put it this way. Imagine 100 different Floyd like videos.
Guess Trump likes seeing millions protesting and looting again. Makes him feel smart (just feel. He ain't too bright)
Plenty of twitter videos showing violence inside CHAZ. Also an area inside that only black people are allowed into. Segregation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThat depends on how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYou have no idea where shit like this leads. Because you've never experienced what happens when you encourage decentralized control. Going to be funny when NYC turns into Somalia with various precincts taken over by different gang leaders. Pretty soon we'll be Mexico with various cities under control of cartels, gangs, and self appointed warlords. If this kind of shit is allowed to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
The good thing is, the people who can fix this shit in a couple days are waiting patiently to be given the green light. These amateur troublemakers have no idea what could rain down on their ignorant asses. That's the real joke.
So far there are no reports of violence inside CHAZ. Some right wingers are giving their imagination of what is happening but no reports or visual evidence.
Seems like a peaceful protest so far
Trust me troops go in an start killing unarmed Americans (and only a few appear to be armed and in an open carry state at that) I bet all those protesters will have out their cell phones.
Could be dozens of videos showing people being brutalized.
Let's put it this way. Imagine 100 different Floyd like videos.
Guess Trump likes seeing millions protesting and looting again. Makes him feel smart (just feel. He ain't too bright)
Glad to see you now support countries that have walls and closed borders.
You'd think so, but look at Hitlery and Prince Andrew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Firstly it's no cops so stop listening to those liars on rightie shows like FoxQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmPlenty of twitter videos showing violence inside CHAZ. Also an area inside that only black people are allowed into. Segregation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThat depends on how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
So far there are no reports of violence inside CHAZ. Some right wingers are giving their imagination of what is happening but no reports or visual evidence.
Seems like a peaceful protest so far
Trust me troops go in an start killing unarmed Americans (and only a few appear to be armed and in an open carry state at that) I bet all those protesters will have out their cell phones.
Could be dozens of videos showing people being brutalized.
Let's put it this way. Imagine 100 different Floyd like videos.
Guess Trump likes seeing millions protesting and looting again. Makes him feel smart (just feel. He ain't too bright)
Glad to see you now support countries that have walls and closed borders.
One reason you tell so many lies is you are reading so many lies.
So, you made s pretty easily provable claim just now. You said there are plenty of videos showing violence inside CHAZ.
LINK TO THEM.
PROVE ME WRONG
AND I HAVE TO SEE VIOLENCE IN THE VIDEK. NOT SOME PUNDIT ON FOX TALKING ABOUT SOME BULLSHIT EHILE PEACEFUL IMAGES ARE SHOWN MEXT TO HIM.
SHOW ME ACTUAL IMAGES OF PEOPLE BEING BEATEN INSIDE CHAZ
And not one or two. You said plenty. If I don't see at least five links from you of violence inside CHAZ then I call you out as a liar
IThat’s the problem: What constitutes a crime when a criminal is resisting arrest? That’s a lot harder to detemine than people think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
And let’s be clear almost all the so called deaths by policemen are when a criminal is resisting arrest.
I just spent time looking up Eric Garner’s case. You know the black man who started the “I can’t breathe” movement back in 2014. I mean even Lebron James and NBA players were wearing t-shirts saying “I can’t breathe”.
Do know the office who applied the chock hold was never indicted by the grand jury. He didn’t even go to trial. Even the Federal Government never brought civil charges against him.
I wondered why, so I loooked into the case. It turned out Eric Garner died due to an asthma attack. Eric Garner said “I can’t breathe” 11 times, but 10 of those times was after the officer had released his choke hold and Eric was having an asthma attack.
So this whole “I can’t breathe” movement really started as a protest against asthma. I bet most people wearing all those “I can’t breathe” t-shirts don’t even know that. They are protesting against asthma.
Oh, and another thing, Eric Garner was another career criminal. He’d been arrested 30 times for things like grand larceny and assault. It seems like the only lives the “Black Lives Matter” movement care about are career criminals.
I have yet to see protests against black policemen who die in the line of duty, blacks that die in drive by shootings, blacks who die from suicides due to the hopeless conditions the liberals created for them.
There is only one type of black life that matters to this group. The black who is a career criminal who dies while being arrested. That’s a strange cause to protest and riot for. Welcome to America 2020.
I'd start with kneeling on someone's neck for ten minutes. Shooting an unarmed person who is being compliant...there's a video where a cop is demanding that a dude crawl over to him, on his knees, with his hands clasped and behind his head without falling. That the kid is unarmed is the most obvious thing in the entire world. You guessed it, cops killed him. I'm not sure, but I think the cop got off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
Here it is:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mesa-po...turbing-video/
I forgot, he had to keep his feet crossed as he crawled on his knees with his hands interlaced behind his head. Prosecution suggests he was trying to pull his shorts up so he could comply, he could have told the officer that, except the officer said he would be killed if he spoke.
When I say the officer got off, I don't just mean in his pants, he was also acquitted.
Didn't look like resisting to me! There's a video on the link.
---I wouldn't say he, "Started," the movement. Or, if he did, I don't think that was his intention.
The last example aside, who would you protest against? Where would you protest at? Are you going to gather by the hundreds and walk around with signs that say, "END DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS!"? There's no entity out there actively sanctioning drive-by shootings. You would actually have to know where the perpetrators are to go and protest against them.Quote:
I have yet to see protests against black policemen who die in the line of duty, blacks that die in drive by shootings, blacks who die from suicides due to the hopeless conditions the liberals created for them.
With all due respect, your last sentence is too ridiculous to warrant a response.Quote:
There is only one type of black life that matters to this group. The black who is a career criminal who dies while being arrested. That’s a strange cause to protest and riot for. Welcome to America 2020.
You used to get stoned in the street from the townspeople for breaking the law.
(Still do in some places in the world)
A few thousand years ago, Centurions would crucify criminals in the street.
It wasn't long ago you could have a duel/gunfight in the street.
It wasn't long ago they used hangings or the guillotine.
They got rid of that and started up the biggest gang in the world.
(The Police)
Now a bunch of people are upset at how powerful the Police have become.
Reform and change will come but nobody is getting rid of an unbalanced system.
The Police are kinda like Lawyers... everyone hates them till they need one.
The world is and has always been unfair.
I'm tired of all the crying about it.
Perhaps, if people didn't put themselves in vulnerable positions they would live longer.
I love how Drunks, Drug Addicts and Murderers are currently being glorified as Saints.
I’m still missing your point mission146. I have said numerous times there are bad police officers that should be help accountability and punished under our criminal justice system. Please reread someQuote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
of my posts. You seem to ignore these parts.
You don’t need to keep providing links to cases where a policeman did something wrong. I get it, there are some bad police officers out there.
I’ll repeat one more time. There are close to a million police officers in America. It is impossible to make everyone perfect. Out of a million people there are going to be some bad apples. That’s just basic stats. That is true in any society, with any race, and with any profession.
That’s why we have our criminal justice system. To deal with this, bad apples in our society.
So you say the protesters are protesting against police brutality and for social justice. Can you name me one person who is for police brutality and against social justice? I can’t find anyone. So these protesters are basically protesting against something where there is nobody on the other side.
Look, I get it, this is much more than that. This is the Left seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and move us more to socialism. And I understand most the people protesting are puppets and don’t even know that.
You asked what my reforms would be and that's what my point is. There is no possible world, if you watched that video, that the guy should get off for murder charges. There was clear intent and premeditation to kill, he gave the kid instructions that were all but impossible to perfectly follow in the first place, then shot him when he failed to follow them. The officer clearly wanted any excuse in the world to shoot him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I think one thing that I would do is that trials for cops in the line of duty would be bench trials (no jury, just a judge) in a completely separate venue (location). You would also have some sort of court that ONLY does those types of trials, in terms of the judge. I don't care to discuss practicality because it would require a Constitutional Amendment, due to the fact that they would be losing the right to trial by jury. I think juries are often inherently biased in favor of the police where a judge who only handles those types of cases, not only understands the laws, but is more likely to be objective.
It only takes one juror with a pro-police bias, who is smart enough not to admit that he has such a bias, for a guilty verdict to not be possible in a particular trial. Shit, for all we know, the juror is a deliberate ringer.
Another thing you have to consider in trials involving cops is that maybe jurors are concerned with the possibility of police action against them if they find one of the boys in blue guilty of murder. I mean, in this case, here you have a cop who wanted nothing more on this planet than to have an excuse to shoot that kid----is there any reason not to fear that something is going to happen to you if you find him guilty? Are you really going to trust that police department?
But, seriously, watch the video if you haven't. I want to know how that cop gets off. Shouldn't even be possible.
Some police, if not in favor of police brutality, certainly don't seem to have a great problem with it. Most of them do, of course.
The legitimate protesters are looking for organizational change and empathy training, or whatever the hell it's called. They want increased training so that cops are less likely to employ deadly/continued force unless it is absolutely necessary, which I think is a perfectly legitimate position for them to take. The people who are doing the rioting and looting are, as a result, criminals, and therefore, are not, "Protesting," anything. Destroying/Stealing stuff is not a protest, it's just destroying and stealing stuff...and those people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, what the legitimate protestors are protesting, and any points they would otherwise be making, are getting totally buried underneath all of these illegal acts.
Yes, wanting more accountability from government officials is socialism. Damn you're smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
You are the type of conservative that worships police as if they are some special class of government employee. This specifically enables their behavior. There is so much shit you don't understand. Such a fake-ass conservative. Pukes like you are the worst.
People responding to your paragraphs if babbling nonsense kills me.
Mission146, I’m good with all that. Why hasn’t this been done? I mean most of the problems have been in our most liberal cities, where the Left has been in charge for about 50 years and they have enacted police reform after police reform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146You asked what my reforms would be and that's what my point is. There is no possible world, if you watched that video, that the guy should get off for murder charges. There was clear intent and premeditation to kill, he gave the kid instructions that were all but impossible to perfectly follow in the first place, then shot him when he failed to follow them. The officer clearly wanted any excuse in the world to shoot him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I think one thing that I would do is that trials for cops in the line of duty would be bench trials (no jury, just a judge) in a completely separate venue (location). You would also have some sort of court that ONLY does those types of trials, in terms of the judge. I don't care to discuss practicality because it would require a Constitutional Amendment, due to the fact that they would be losing the right to trial by jury. I think juries are often inherently biased in favor of the police where a judge who only handles those types of cases, not only understands the laws, but is more likely to be objective.
It only takes one juror with a pro-police bias, who is smart enough not to admit that he has such a bias, for a guilty verdict to not be possible in a particular trial. Shit, for all we know, the juror is a deliberate ringer.
Another thing you have to consider in trials involving cops is that maybe jurors are concerned with the possibility of police action against them if they find one of the boys in blue guilty of murder. I mean, in this case, here you have a cop who wanted nothing more on this planet than to have an excuse to shoot that kid----is there any reason not to fear that something is going to happen to you if you find him guilty? Are you really going to trust that police department?
But, seriously, watch the video if you haven't. I want to know how that cop gets off. Shouldn't even be possible.
Some police, if not in favor of police brutality, certainly don't seem to have a great problem with it. Most of them do, of course.
The legitimate protesters are looking for organizational change and empathy training, or whatever the hell it's called. They want increased training so that cops are less likely to employ deadly/continued force unless it is absolutely necessary, which I think is a perfectly legitimate position for them to take. The people who are doing the rioting and looting are, as a result, criminals, and therefore, are not, "Protesting," anything. Destroying/Stealing stuff is not a protest, it's just destroying and stealing stuff...and those people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, what the legitimate protestors are protesting, and any points they would otherwise be making, are getting totally buried underneath all of these illegal acts.
Every couple years when we have our riots, there are more police reforms. Why can’t the liberals come up with a system that works? Do liberals like having riots every couple years?
Currently, one of our most liberal cities, Seattle, is being over run by anarchists. The Mayor has had the police retreat and turnover a section of the city to these people. This is how Third World countries operate.
I thought it was interesting the police chief in Seattle was a black women and didn’t agree with this move. It sounds like she is a conservative.
The Seattle mayor sounds like a character out of Saturday Night Live skit playing a white liberal that doesn’t have a clue. These liberals are pretty easy to spot. There is chaos going on all around them and they think everything is hunky-dory and all they need to do is just listen more to the criminal element.
The trial thing hasn't been done because it would be Unconstitutional. Theoretically, the right to a jury trial could be waived...but someone on trial for a criminal offense would be out of his mind to do that. That's especially true if he was guilty in a purely legal sense, rather than overtly. In this case, the fact that he was a cop theoretically muddied the waters with the jury, as it basically always theoretically could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I'm not here to defend Liberals because, if there's anyone who can't stand the Far Left, it's me. I was a Democrat, but now I completely reject their social implementation of ideological purity for all because they restrict not only free speech, but also the right to have opinions contrary to them. I didn't chime in on the Drew Brees thing, but there's an example for you. Anyway...I was once Far Left (at least, it was Far Left at the time) and they drove me right out of there. Probably because Free Speech and Free Association have always been #'s 1 & 2 when it comes to my priorities. Again, they try to subvert the Constitutional right to Free Speech with social methods.
Which means that I will vote for social equality and freedom of choice causes, as they come up, but they'll never really see me being outspoken about it---much less actively helping them. I'll play by their stupid ass rules, for the most part, but it's kind of a bitch when you have to watch every single thing you write on Facebook because you don't want to offend the wrong people and then next thing you know they're hassling your family from afar. So, I'll never identify with them and never help them (other than cause-based voting) again.
Now...getting to the cities:
1.) There's something that tremendous population density does that ends up being systemic and self-perpetuating. A lot of things, in fact. One of those things is that the cost of living is much greater, so when that happens, you have more people who are poor. When more people are poor, they are more likely to want to see a Government that helps them with that. When they think it is something the Government should be helping them with, they become Liberals. When you have well-to-do people in the urban areas who actually see and live with these poor folks on a day-to-day basis, they become sympathetic to them------but usually not sympathetic enough to actually help out themselves------though sympathetic enough to expect the Government to help them out. As a result, those people become Liberals.
Therefore, the very fact that the area is urban, in general, creates the very conditions that would result in Liberality.
Whereas, your Rural areas don't actually see any of this. To take a ridiculously extreme example, some guys lives on a small piece of farmland in a city of 800 people who all know one another and is nearly 100% white. Hell, it might be even worse (politically speaking) if there is a black family there because they'll take that ONE ANECDOTAL CASE and say, "Well, blacks aren't treated any differently," all the while completely ignorant of the fact that his little majority white rural town is not the entire country---though it may be HIS entire country.
Another thing that you don't have so much is poverty, or when you do, it's not quite to the extent that people are starving. For one thing, if someone is completely homeless and has no food, a town of 800 is not likely to have a soup kitchen that operates seven days per week. Why? There would be no demand for it. So, where does this person go? If you guessed, "Big city," you are correct for a winning prize of a bowl of soup, salad, some fruit and a few slices of garlic bread.
Now, he goes to that soup kitchen and talks to folks and most of the people helping him identify as Liberal. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES ARE BAD PEOPLE necessarily, it's because it's a big city, so partially for the reasons mentioned above, more of the people than not are Liberals.
Because the high cost of living generates the exacerbated economic inequality....but then the very nature of availability of charity brings more poor and disenfranchised people in....the economic inequality continues to get worse and worse. I mean, yeah, there are many cities where you'll never go an entire day without eating if you don't want to, (Pittsburgh being one of them) but that's about all you're going to be able to do unless there's a job for you.
So, then, there are some jobs that aren't necessarily legal in one way or another. Some places pay under the table, but they pay a pittance. Other places will make someone, "Salary," where salary just means a ridiculous amount of hours for considerably less than what would be minimum wage on an hourly basis. AND THEN, they expect those people to be goddamn grateful, after all, it is technically an improvement.
As a result, you have the cities who now want to expand workers' rights, not to mention Medicare for all (in some cases) because they are surrounded by people who are chronically ill.
And, again, the people who this is happening to have gotten the Hell out of the small Conservative towns...because, had they stayed there, there wouldn't even be a place for them to eat every day.
----So, the very nature of a what a big city IS generates Liberality. And, that's why trying to handle so much at the Federal-level...or expecting that the Federal Government should do certain things...is perfectly ridiculous. The life in one town, and often state, has absolutely nothing to do with the life in another place, so of course a person from one and a person from another are going to disagree.
Similarly, once Liberal folks often move to rural areas and become more Conservative. Why? Because Conservative solutions to problems are naturally going to make more sense relative to life experience.
And then you have illegal jobs like running drugs and stuff like that. Hey, you've got a place to live now, but up goes the crime rate.
2.) As far as why they can't come up with a system that works, I have no idea. My best guess is because there's no such thing as a system that works 100% of the time. If you could create such a system, then we could certainly find a way to make other stuff work for everyone 100% of the time, but it's not possible.
3.) I am not aware of the political leanings of the police chief. I'm not even sure it's a factor. She's probably more concerned that she's being forced to commit what she would otherwise consider dereliction of duty, but I obviously have no way to know.
4.) I haven't listened to the Mayor and don't plan to. Really, I'm trying to ignore it as much as possible. We've officially crossed the line where I'd have sent in the big guns by now.
You guys really get into the debates.
I admit, I haven't read many of the posts but the sheer volume and length of the posts are impressive!!
I appreciate you saying that, but if you asked me what kind of cereal I like the best, you'd probably get a five paragraph response.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Everyone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdd_Hc2QTo
I can eat an entire box of Peanut Butter Crunch in a dayQuote:
Originally Posted by monetEveryone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdd_Hc2QTo
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html
Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.
Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.
The only way that Post Fruit and Fiber cereal can really be appreciated is as a side dish to two Mendle Bread toast.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetEveryone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdd_Hc2QTo
lol... this is Fibre though but I like your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
kewlJ claims to have the recipe for MendleBread, so hopefully he will post it.
For lunch, we slurp noodles with my slant eyed wife.
Now we just need something for dinner!?
I remember these two boxes in the picture...
Well let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.
You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.
What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.
They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.
The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.
They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be
"Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from CNN or MSNBC as they have been caught creative editing numberous times."Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Redietz, I fixed your quote for you to more reflect the truth. Never mind that lefty elites like you think you are smarter than the proletariat....you never bitch when the creative editing is done by the lefty news outlets.
No one even knows where the name CHAZ came from. The people who seem to actually be leaders are calling it CHOP for Capitol Hill Organized Protest. The right always needs their bogeymen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozWell let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.
You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.
What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.
They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.
The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.
They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be
You'll find all these guys who want to just reconfirm their beliefs with nonsense. They will be shown some weirdo twitter poster and go on and on about it. Pathetic.
Hilarious your answer to creative editing claims is to practice it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm"Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from CNN or MSNBC as they have been caught creative editing numberous times."Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Redietz, I fixed your quote for you to more reflect the truth. Never mind that lefty elites like you think you are smarter than the proletariat....you never bitch when the creative editing is done by the lefty news outlets.
You brag about doing creative editing yourself while literally deriding it in your post.
Yeah, sure, all the businesses in the six block area are thriving now that traffic has been cutoff from their businesses. THE TAKING OF THE SIX BLOCK AREA IS AGAINST THE LAW. IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. ANARCHISTS CONTROLLING WHO ENTERS THAT AREA IS AGAINST THE LAW. THE "BLACKS ONLY" GARDEN IS SEGREGATION. THE BEATING OF THE PREACHER WAS AGAINST THE LAW. THE OTHER BEATINGS GOING ON ARE AGAINST THE LAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozWell let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.
You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.
What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.
They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.
The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.
They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be
The marxist mayor of Seattle is letting the people who live and work in that area down. It's shameful what these leftist politicians are doing.
[QUOTE=Darkoz;108191]You mean like this CNN coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
No surprising that you don't know the drill, darkoz. CNN avoids stories that show the left in a bad light. That is, if or until the story gets to big for them to ignore. The story has gotten to big so they have to report something. So what they are reporting is how peaceful things are there. First of all its not as peaceful as they make it out to be. 2nd of all, all the territory the anarchists control was stolen from someone else.
[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;108275]I am still waiting for videos of violence from Chaz. You said they were on YouTube. Were you lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozYou mean like this CNN coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
No surprising that you don't know the drill, darkoz. CNN avoids stories that show the left in a bad light. That is, if or until the story gets to big for them to ignore. The story has gotten to big so they have to report something. So what they are reporting is how peaceful things are there. First of all its not as peaceful as they make it out to be. 2nd of all, all the territory the anarchists control was stolen from someone else.
Simple links will support your claims
Here's a liberal on Fox News that has his own show, Fox News Sunday. He's a registered democrat. Does CNN or MSNBC have an anchor that is a registered republican? No.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7-Pakp9h_xBgHO
How do they not know? They even put up signs and scribbled it all over the street. They changed it to CHOP so the mayor doesn't go to jail for condoning this bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionNo one even knows where the name CHAZ came from. The people who seem to actually be leaders are calling it CHOP for Capitol Hill Organized Protest. The right always needs their bogeymen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozWell let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.
What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.
They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.
The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.
They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be
You'll find all these guys who want to just reconfirm their beliefs with nonsense. They will be shown some weirdo twitter poster and go on and on about it. Pathetic.
Calling a riot a festive block party with late night shopping opportunities doesn't make it any less of a riot.
Bottom line is the police were forced to abandon their precinct. Which is having a direct effect on the surrounding community. Law and order being maintained is one of the things that separate countries like the US from Somalia.
Can't we just get the war started?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Last Ideology Standing WINS!?
Another thing you watchers of CNN and MSNBC don't know is how many noted black conservatives there are. You just don't find them on CNN and MSNBC but you will find them on Fox News Channel. So I'll be posting up some black conservatives in this thread. The first one is Larry Elder who appears regularly on FNC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCIFVlzHRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbmpbRgbno
Who the fuck watches cable in this day and age? You fuckers need to get a life.
Please explain in great detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I would love some instructions on getting this life you speak of.
Is it universal?
Does it work in every city in America or in different countries around the world?
At the least, give us the instructions to obtain said life in the Vegas Area.
Seriously Requesting, as I could use the information.
Obviously, the Bible is a False Instruction Booklet, according to you, so I am hoping to read up on the Book of jbjb.
I'm still waiting for the hot summer sun to eliminate Covid-19. Could have sworn the president and Fox news promised that.
Took me five seconds to research it's hitting hot summer locations like Brazil and Australia in February to see through that lie
Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Even if 1% die. Life goes on.
Shit happens. Deal with it.
Funny that's how I feel about CHAZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWho cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Even if 1% die. Life goes on.
Shit happens. Deal with it.
Six American blocks .ooooo1% of America
Who cares? Shit happens. Life goes on
I don't like it. Tastes fine, but makes my tongue feel grainy. Life is actually my favorite cereal by a mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI can eat an entire box of Peanut Butter Crunch in a dayQuote:
Originally Posted by monetEveryone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdd_Hc2QTo
That's how I feel about World Starvation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozFunny that's how I feel about CHAZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWho cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Even if 1% die. Life goes on.
Shit happens. Deal with it.
Six American blocks .ooooo1% of America
Who cares? Shit happens. Life goes on
820 Million People Starving Every Year.
9 Million Deaths Annually.
Who Cares?
Not You, Not America and Not New Yorkers.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
Stop crying about a couple hundred thousand deaths.
A child dies from hunger every ten seconds but who gives a fuck?
Not You.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozHilarious your answer to creative editing claims is to practice it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm"Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from CNN or MSNBC as they have been caught creative editing numberous times."Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Redietz, I fixed your quote for you to more reflect the truth. Never mind that lefty elites like you think you are smarter than the proletariat....you never bitch when the creative editing is done by the lefty news outlets.
You brag about doing creative editing yourself while literally deriding it in your post.
Fox News, on their website, presents a photo from Minneapolis as a photo from Seattle, then also photoshops a photo of a gunman into an image. When caught, they yanked the photos and apologized for the "collage." LOL.
I am an old journalism major (I eventually switched to English) and worked for a couple of small papers. With the exception of the supermarket tabloids, I have never seen any television network or newspaper in the United States purposefully do this. And usually the tabloids photoshop Bill Clinton shaking hands with aliens and things like that.
Some folks are okay with this. Hmmm. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. All that's missing is the gunman sitting in the driver's seat of a Newell with burning storefronts in the background. All happening in Seattle. Or Pahrump.
The importance of this is that it was not an accident. Somebody at Fox News said, "Let's do this," and somebody higher up said okay. Must have been the registered Democrat at Fox, eh?
Overweight and obesity are the fifth leading risk for global deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozFunny that's how I feel about CHAZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWho cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Even if 1% die. Life goes on.
Shit happens. Deal with it.
Six American blocks .ooooo1% of America
Who cares? Shit happens. Life goes on
Now for some more interesting numbers...
3 Million people die from Obesity every year!!!
lol.
Who Cares?
Shit Happens.
Life Goes on!
Got to eat what you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I was just trying to sneak an 80s commercial into the conversation.
I haven't ate Fruit & Fibre since 1983.
I haven't even seen it on the shelf or looked for it.
Miss the commercials though.
Give it to Mikey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQ0LZSnJFE
If life is so meaningless then please stop fighting for abortion to be abolished.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetThat's how I feel about World Starvation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozFunny that's how I feel about CHAZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Six American blocks .ooooo1% of America
Who cares? Shit happens. Life goes on
820 Million People Starving Every Year.
9 Million Deaths Annually.
Who Cares?
Not You, Not America and Not New Yorkers.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
Stop crying about a couple hundred thousand deaths.
A child dies from hunger every ten seconds but who gives a fuck?
Not You.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
You don't care about a couple hundred thousand lives. Why care about fetuses that can not even survive on their own.
The bullshit from the right is truly astonishing. Unborn and they become some mighty protectors but once those kids are born who gives a shit
Make sure if they are starving they get no government assistance.
Scream they should not have health care if they get sick
Fight against vaccines so they can spread diseases amongst themselves
And when they grow up to be adults who cares if they die from a pandemic as long as after fighting for their rights to be born into this world the righties can go get haircuts. Can't live without those.
Hypocrisy Hill
It's a huge myth that conservatives are against government assistance. It's just the opposite. They are almost as bad as liberals for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozIf life is so meaningless then please stop fighting for abortion to be abolished.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetThat's how I feel about World Starvation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
820 Million People Starving Every Year.
9 Million Deaths Annually.
Who Cares?
Not You, Not America and Not New Yorkers.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
Stop crying about a couple hundred thousand deaths.
A child dies from hunger every ten seconds but who gives a fuck?
Not You.
Shit Happens.
Life Goes On!
You don't care about a couple hundred thousand lives. Why care about fetuses that can not even survive on their own.
The bullshit from the right is truly astonishing. Unborn and they become some mighty protectors but once those kids are born who gives a shit
Make sure if they are starving they get no government assistance.
Scream they should not have health care if they get sick
Fight against vaccines so they can spread diseases amongst themselves
And when they grow up to be adults who cares if they die from a pandemic as long as after fighting for their rights to be born into this world the righties can go get haircuts. Can't live without those.
Hypocrisy Hill
I'd gladly stop posting about abortion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
wait a second, I never once posted about abortion but...
I'll stop posting or caring about abortion if you shut the fuck up about the Chinese Flu.
Easy win for me though as I am pretty sure I have zero posts on the internet about abortion, in over 25 years.
Although I did put up some abortion statistics recently on this forum but that was to illustrate annual deaths compared to Chink Flu Numbers.
Not so easy for you as all you talk about is the Chink Chang Chong Shivers.
Holy Shit... now that you bring it up that's 56 Million Abortions per year!!
And 45% of them are done illegally.
lol and you keep crying about the Chink Virus and its puny numbers.
Over a Million Abortions Worldwide per week and you think that is a good thing huh???
Can you imagine growing up to be a doctor who constantly performs abortions day in and day out.
When I grow up I want to...
Someone in the deep state said let's frame Trump and someone at CNN said yes let's do that....and CNN became peddlar's of false information. No amount of denial by lefty elites like ditz can change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkozHilarious your answer to creative editing claims is to practice it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You brag about doing creative editing yourself while literally deriding it in your post.
Fox News, on their website, presents a photo from Minneapolis as a photo from Seattle, then also photoshops a photo of a gunman into an image. When caught, they yanked the photos and apologized for the "collage." LOL.
I am an old journalism major (I eventually switched to English) and worked for a couple of small papers. With the exception of the supermarket tabloids, I have never seen any television network or newspaper in the United States purposefully do this. And usually the tabloids photoshop Bill Clinton shaking hands with aliens and things like that.
Some folks are okay with this. Hmmm. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. All that's missing is the gunman sitting in the driver's seat of a Newell with burning storefronts in the background. All happening in Seattle. Or Pahrump.
The importance of this is that it was not an accident. Somebody at Fox News said, "Let's do this," and somebody higher up said okay. Must have been the registered Democrat at Fox, eh?
[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;108315]Someone in the deep state said let's frame Trump and someone at CNN said yes let's do that....and CNN became peddlar's of false information. No amount of denial by lefty elites like ditz can change that. For 3 years CNN pushed a false story called Trump/Russia collusion. And for 3 years Ditz ate that story up.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Fox News, on their website, presents a photo from Minneapolis as a photo from Seattle, then also photoshops a photo of a gunman into an image. When caught, they yanked the photos and apologized for the "collage." LOL.
I am an old journalism major (I eventually switched to English) and worked for a couple of small papers. With the exception of the supermarket tabloids, I have never seen any television network or newspaper in the United States purposefully do this. And usually the tabloids photoshop Bill Clinton shaking hands with aliens and things like that.
Some folks are okay with this. Hmmm. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. All that's missing is the gunman sitting in the driver's seat of a Newell with burning storefronts in the background. All happening in Seattle. Or Pahrump.
The importance of this is that it was not an accident. Somebody at Fox News said, "Let's do this," and somebody higher up said okay. Must have been the registered Democrat at Fox, eh?
Don't forget. Ditz was a journalism major and worked for a couple of newspapers. He knows about journalistic integrity. So now that the collusion story has been totally debunked where is ditz' outrage for being so mislead? He's not outraged at all. He's actually sad that none of it is true. He's as phony as 3 dollar bills.
3 dollar bills are queer like kewlJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm