Or, with any of the three posts that MDawg has made recently, for that matter.
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Or, with any of the three posts that MDawg has made recently, for that matter.
Believe what you want. I did say I wouldn’t post here. Yea that makes me a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
You Lie, as you continue to post here, like that Hate Site Contributor, Redietz, who threatened to blow up my vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
But I’m willing to meet any member here in VegasI just don’t hope I’m called a drunk afterwards. You have a reputation for doing that.
No it doesn't. Don't let monet and coach belly play these kind of games. You and all of us have a right to post here or anywhere we want, and if we become uncomfortable with something stop (and say so), and if we once again feel like posting, post. Post when you feel like it, don't post when you don't feel like it. Everything eles is bullshit and the usual game playing by these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
But there is a much bigger issue here that I will get to in a seperate post.
It's not clear to me what you mean above, you sound all discombozulated,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
but fuck it...I'll make a wager.
I REALLY don't get why Mdawg got a MONTH Suspension for revealing PM'S, especially on another website. When I was first banned from WOV, MULTIPLE People revealed PM'S that I sent them shortly before being permanantly banned from WOV. NONE of those People were Suspended for revealing my PM's to them.
No doubt that you have the opportunity to post here...but not the right, dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
All day and everyday you abuse your opportunity by posting lies,
you'll lie about everyone and everything.
And that's what makes you a fucking tewl.
This is a very, very big deal! Don't know whether it is true or not but the repeated accusation is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Members of these forums trust the forum administrators to protect our anonymity, everybody really, but particular advantage players. This is how we make a living. It's a high place of trust that a forum administrator in the AP community holds. If Wizard is violating that (and I am not saying he is, but these acusations point to that), even to people he thinks are his friends, I can't express how huge that is. I mean this is a guy who was employed or consulted for a casino. That is his right of course, but this is the exact kind of accuzation that has followed Eliot for years. Eliot says untrue and unfairly. Some trusted AP's swear to it. Don't want to rehash that again.
I want to be as clear as I can, so the guys that twist everything can't. I am not accusing Wizard of anything, but these accusations do or at least hint at it. Mike should immediately come out and clarify this and if he doesn't read this forum as he suggests, someone should alery him. That is damage to a reputation that can't be repaired.
I’ll play assclown. If you want to argue banned members at the Wizard of Vegas Forum discussed above have received Private Messages, I’ll wager with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIt's not clear to me what you mean above, you sound all discombozulated,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
but fuck it...I'll make a wager.
Let’s each bet $10,000 what I stated is true.
I know you will try some BS word nonsense but if we can agree on the terms, I’ll send my money to Mike Shackleford in Vegas tomorrow.
And regardless of our differences, he knows my money is good, is yours? Face it, it’s a losing wager for you, and you know it. Which is exactly why your money won’t be there.
Shut the fuck up pervert! You troll and twist things like no one else. To the point that the forum owner has labled you a troll!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo doubt that you have the opportunity to post here...but not the right, dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
All day and everyday you abuse your opportunity by posting lies,
you'll lie about everyone and everything.
And that's what makes you a fucking tewl.
Who is accusing, or has accused the Wizard of providing info to MD?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You did, you fucking tewl.
The (hopefully) last thing that I am going to say on this is that the PM I received did not have anything to do with anybody giving doxxing information about anyone to anybody else.
Anyway, sorry Coach, but you have used your allotted number of guesses. I neither confirm nor deny any speculation related to the contents of the PM I received henceforward.
No I don't think that I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And who are you to call anyone a pervert, you fucking tewl.?
Drink another one old man. Must suck to be stuck in NJ hating how your life decisions turned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo I don't think that I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And who are you to call anyone a pervert, you fucking tewl.?
Watching the market go up and up since the late 70’s, putting a $100 a month away in a simple mutual fund would have made you set for life. I get it, many like you made the same mistake.
$10k tomorrow banned members at Wizard of Vegas haven’t received PM’s in the past?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...ABB0&FORM=VIREQuote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo I don't think that I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And who are you to call anyone a pervert, you fucking tewl.?
And like DarkOz, I’ll throw in $500 for the Wiz for holding the cash and moderating. And I’m even willing to accept his bias against me.
You proposed this wager...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
When you figure out what the fuck you are talking about, get back to me and we'll talk wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
It's looking more and more like the word on the street about you is true.
I could and did receive PM's during my 4 year ban at WoV. Couldn't respond to them, but could receive and read them.
Wizard would absolutely not do something along those lines. I'm so sure of it that discussing it, even as a hypothetical, is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThis is a very, very big deal! Don't know whether it is true or not but the repeated accusation is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Members of these forums trust the forum administrators to protect our anonymity, everybody really, but particular advantage players. This is how we make a living. It's a high place of trust that a forum administrator in the AP community holds. If Wizard is violating that (and I am not saying he is, but these acusations point to that), even to people he thinks are his friends, I can't express how huge that is. I mean this is a guy who was employed or consulted for a casino. That is his right of course, but this is the exact kind of accuzation that has followed Eliot for years. Eliot says untrue and unfairly. Some trusted AP's swear to it. Don't want to rehash that again.
I want to be as clear as I can, so the guys that twist everything can't. I am not accusing Wizard of anything, but these accusations do or at least hint at it. Mike should immediately come out and clarify this and if he doesn't read this forum as he suggests, someone should alery him. That is damage to a reputation that can't be repaired.
Make the terms of your wager clear. And we can make it. You always play wordsmith. Or we can have another Wizard challenge where we both meet in Vegas and have a winner take all challenge on eating, trivia or whatever we can agree on. I’m willing to put $10,000 up on a Nugget eating contest. Or a race from the Strat to Luxor. Or a Blackjack contest at the casino of your choice. Or a roulette challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou proposed this wager...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
When you figure out what the fuck you are talking about, get back to me and we'll talk wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
It's looking more and more like the word on the street about you is true.
$10,000 head to head. In Vegas. And I’ll pay your airfare from Philly on the flight of my choice.
You and me, head to head, name the choice. My money will there, will yours!
And if you are thinking of a hustle, you will need to prove the guy who posted on TripAdvisor over the past 17 years is you. Sorry, no ringer allowed.
We both will be required to prove who we are. Accepting the Wizard as the arbitration. Surely you can’t think he is biased toward me.
And I’m willing to move it $25,000 each if you can prove you had $25,000 in a checking account in any FIDC accredited bank as of April 30th 2021.
Whatever this Marydawg turns out to be, high roller losing player that receives high end comps because he loses, and just leaves out all the losing from his fairytale, two things are certain. 1.) his fantasy story, as told is bullshit, and 2.) besides his narcistic need for constant attention, he is hell bent on making a mockery of and bring down WoV. And he is doing just that. I suspect that is about hate and bitterness for those (AP's) that do succeed at winning. And it is almost a certainty that he is a previously banned member. Now this forum, VCT, is just sort of caught in the middle, because of frequent discussion about WoV by those that can't participate there and by those that are members there but don't feel free to say what they really think there.
I mean what kind of successful player would be posting all that he posts and so very worried about every person's opionion of his that he publicly lists 23 members (more now) that he is at war with because they don't beleive him?
What kind of narcissist engages in the back door manipulation of both forum administrators and members trying to influence them to believing him?
What kind of narcissist, creates obvious sockpuppets, to declare how great he is and how much they love him?
This is a really sick dude. That kind of language is probably used too often about those we disagree with, even by myself at times, but this is a really sick dude!
I'll give him this: he has managed to create the chaos and havoc he wanted.
This is what you wrote...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Now you go back and try to remember what you wanted to prove false, and we can wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Sounds exactly like Blackhole.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But I can “almost” guarantee he is a real guy. A rich guy to most of us. And I consider myself “rich” but I’m poor compared to the guy posting as MDawg.
We can all debate what is rich and what is successful in life. You KJ making over a million from AP is as real as it gets to me and I have no doubt it’s true. But it’s pennies compared to this MD character.
I probably shouldn’t put this out there but the dude is real in many ways based on what I believe is true.
The guy I believe is the poster is everything he claims to be. But we all know he isn’t the gambler he claims to be. Even with a Marty, it isn’t possible (ok Mission or Wiz, argue with me) in Vegas.
The only thing I can’t understand is why he pushes the fake narrative. I understand Ego, but even then it makes no sense to me. He was handed a lot, but didn’t get everything handed to him.
And I do believe his father would be ashamed of his posts online.
Are you talking about douchedawg or Trump?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Didn’t think you were willing to put out there who you were actually are hiding behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThis is what you wrote...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Now you go back and try to remember what you wanted to prove false, and we can wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Think of an equal wager and I’m all in up to $100,000.
Otherwise you are the same loser everyone sees you as. Nothing you post can change that.
Even MDawg sent me a PM claiming you were a useful idiot, my words not his. But he did compare you to Tasha.
I'm willing to wager on whatever you wanted to prove false when you wrote this,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
if you can remember what you meant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I think he is a rich guy too, Boz. I didn't always think that. But he is NOT a winning player, winning every session, every trip, lifetime winner, all things he has claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
As for KJ, do you guys realize I am now in my 18th year of fulltime AP/Blackjack (mostly blackjack) play? getting old! :( A little over a million dollars isn't all that much when you divide that out. And my ride has consisted up ups and downs, just the way real gambling, with or without an advatage works. And it has consisted of under-expectation, lower income years, early on, when I was playing smaller stakes and during my run in Vegas, again, just the way real gambling works. Like me or hate me, there is nothing math defying, or even improbable about my journey. It is just the way gambling works. I suspect it is rather pedestrian and uninspiring to many.
As to why these guys push the fake narrative. I don't know. I guess it is just a narcisstic thing. wanting to be someone or something you are not. And the internet provides that opportunity, I guess. What is shocking to me is the doubling down, often escalating claims, when there is no one left believing these fairytales. That one is weird to me. I guess if they stop, they fade away into irrelivancy as Mr Singer is doing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozSounds exactly like Blackhole.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But I can “almost” guarantee he is a real guy. A rich guy to most of us. And I consider myself “rich” but I’m poor compared to the guy posting as MDawg.
We can all debate what is rich and what is successful in life. You KJ making over a million from AP is as real as it gets to me and I have no doubt it’s true. But it’s pennies compared to this MD character.
I probably shouldn’t put this out there but the dude is real in many ways based on what I believe is true.
The guy I believe is the poster is everything he claims to be. But we all know he isn’t the gambler he claims to be. Even with a Marty, it isn’t possible (ok Mission or Wiz, argue with me) in Vegas.
The only thing I can’t understand is why he pushes the fake narrative. I understand Ego, but even then it makes no sense to me. He was handed a lot, but didn’t get everything handed to him.
And I do believe his father would be ashamed of his posts online.
My working theory has always been that his time spent in LV was frowned upon and getting out of hand, so he created the always a winner narrative not for gamblers he'd encounter online, but as a proof-of-life (except in this case, winnings) log for his family and maybe his wife and her family. A rationale for why he was spending so much time in LV.
The problem has always been, if that's correct, then his relative wealth forces him to invent more and more improbably narratives and forces him to escalate the stakes in those narratives to explain his snowballing time and wagering in LV. By explain, I mean to his family and wife and friends and father, not to the usual forum readers.
This working theory covers most of the facts and the escalation, which is kewlj's word and a good one. Once you're firing away for weeks on end at a negative game, and you're wealthy, escalation is almost a given. You wind up with Michael Jordan syndrome -- "I win at everything else in life, how can the goddamn casinos beat me? I'm a winner; it's only a matter of time until I figure it all out. I'm smarter than the average bear."
It appears this presentation of winning and the accompanying lame explanations of how, were important to him. He has spent a lot of time on initially somewhat interesting narratives, then descending into the banal and narcissistic. Plus he recruited cheerleaders to counter the naysayers by sheer weight of numbers and posts. I give him credit for perseverance or some kind of mental illness. Or both.
Here's another one for you: Can you image a reputable California law firm, that has one of it's attorney's working out of a suite in Las vegas for months at a time, going on 3 months, because he can't pull himself away from his gambling addiction? Give me a break. ;)
Assuming he's a lawyer, here's a viable theory to explain how he can actually work / practice law and be in Las Vegas gambling every day: he's working remotely via computer and probably has been since the pandemic began.
Lots of lawyers still work remotely, as well as their staff.
With the right skill set and software there is no need to go to the office or even to court to argue motions; trial however usually requires you put in an appearance.
Maybe he got lucky and got a huge fee from a personal injury case, maybe he married into it and is hustling / flensing his beloved.
Who knows, who cares?
Attorneys work? When did they start doing that? Have you ever seen an attorney's itemized invoice?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
(More a joke than anything, not a slight against MrV. I'm also referring to one specific lawyer about the invoice who takes longer to do, 'Research,' than I would have.)
KewlJ to use your own words:Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI think he is a rich guy too, Boz. I didn't always think that. But he is NOT a winning player, winning every session, every trip, lifetime winner, all things he has claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
As for KJ, do you guys realize I am now in my 18th year of fulltime AP/Blackjack (mostly blackjack) play? getting old! :( A little over a million dollars isn't all that much when you divide that out. And my ride has consisted up ups and downs, just the way real gambling, with or without an advatage works. And it has consisted of under-expectation, lower income years, early on, when I was playing smaller stakes and during my run in Vegas, again, just the way real gambling works. Like me or hate me, there is nothing math defying, or even improbable about my journey. It is just the way gambling works. I suspect it is rather pedestrian and uninspiring to many.
As to why these guys push the fake narrative. I don't know. I guess it is just a narcisstic thing. wanting to be someone or something you are not. And the internet provides that opportunity, I guess. What is shocking to me is the doubling down, often escalating claims, when there is no one left believing these fairytales. That one is weird to me. I guess if they stop, they fade away into irrelivancy as Mr Singer is doing.
As to why these guys push the fake narrative. I don't know. I guess it is just a narcisstic thing. wanting to be someone or something you are not.
I suppose it takes one to know one "narcissistic thing". Although, your above post is a great improvement compared to your usual descriptions of yourself. Everyone should have recognized that for the very first time ever you've left out of your hundreds of posts that you are a professional gambler. That is one huge improvement on your part and should not be easily dismissed by others. I am proud of you for this accomplishment and contrary to what you say I do not hate you as you insinuate. Why should I, as I have no reason to hate you?
BoSox, I think I use professional blackjack player a lot more than professional gambler, as I am not crazy about that term. Makes me think of old riverboat gamblers who were more "professional cheaters". So I am not a professional blackjack player BoSox? I have supported myself since 2004 with no other income? Do you take umbrage with the term professional blackjack player / proffesional gambler or just my using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Honestly BoSox, the things you choose to nitpik with me, it is hard to come up with any other reason than you just sometimes have this desire to be a dick.
If you file it, it ain't braggin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBoSox, I think I use professional blackjack player a lot more than professional gambler, as I am not crazy about that term. Makes me think of old riverboat gamblers who were more "professional cheaters". So I am not a professional blackjack player BoSox? I have supported myself since 2004 with no other income? Do you take umbrage with the term professional blackjack player / proffesional gambler or just my using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Honestly BoSox, the things you choose to nitpik with me, it is hard to come up with any other reason than you just sometimes have this desire to be a dick.
If kewlj is filing as a professional gambler, then that's what he is, and he probably should mention it in half his posts as a credential. Most of the time, I avoid the term "professional gambler," as I filed as such just a couple of years back in my youth. So even though that's what I consider myself, I'm not going to push that label very often. Employing an accountant, I filed as whatever resulted in the least taxes. If it was professional gambler, that's what I was. If I benefitted most from a proprietorship, or a partnership, or a pure business, that's what I was.
So kudos to kewlj for being what he files all the time.
A lawyer dies and stands in judgment before St. Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
"So, I see you are 187 years old" says St. Peter.
"No, I am 55" says the lawyer.
"Oh, my mistake, I concluded that after reviewing your time sheets."
Haha. Nice one!
Guy sitting at the bar talking to the bartender:
Bartender: Why do you look so down?
Guy: I got killed in my divorce. Turns out MY attorney is fucking my ex-wife. I got screwed. Man, all lawyers are assholes.
Second Guy: Hey, I take exception to that!
Guy: Why, are you an attorney?
Second Guy: No, I'm an asshole.
Jesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDo you take umbrage with the term professional blackjack player / proffesional gambler or just my using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Honestly BoSox, the things you choose to nitpik with me, it is hard to come up with any other reason than you just sometimes have this desire to be a dick.
What else should he call himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDo you take umbrage with the term professional blackjack player / proffesional gambler or just my using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Honestly BoSox, the things you choose to nitpik with me, it is hard to come up with any other reason than you just sometimes have this desire to be a dick.
You have to be one of the most dense people to ever walk these forums.
So long as KJ affirms under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of Nevada that for at least the past ten years he has always properly filed his income tax returns identifying himself as a "professional gambler" then I see no problem with him identifying himself as such on this board.
His Schedule C's for the past decade would tell the tale.
No, I am not asking that he post them; for me it would be enough for him to affirm that the proper returns have been filed; it might be interesting, at least to me, to have KJ discuss some of the gambling-related expenses / deductions he claimed, but I digress.
Sure, he likes attention and has a narcissistic streak of sorts but I think any shade due from that is offset by the content of his posts.
What is wrong with a man on a gambling board cliaiming to be a professional gambler?
Isn't this THE EXACT PLACE where such a claim is warranted?
I assume viewers would rather read his posts about how he approaches blackjack from a professional point of view than my posts from amateurland about slots and craps.
Besides, in making that claim he knowingly sets himself up for a higher level of scrutiny, which a poseur would wish to avoid.
Odd, and a bit of dejavu as there was a similar discussion several times between a number of people and LarryS on another gambling forum.
You seem to be implying the term professional is reserved for a lawyer or doctor.
Professional: engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
By definition anyone engaged in almost any activity as their primary source of income is a professional this or that.
How about a guy playing a game for a living. Is he not a professional baseball or professional basketball player?
is someone who exclusively sings or dances for a living not a professional singer or dancer?
Is the jazz musician who earns a living playing at Jazz clubs, not a professional musician?
In the gambling world, people that earn a living exclusively from playing poker are known as professional poker players are they not?
So I earn a living from blackjack play. Why would you think I am not a professional blackjack player? Or a professional AP? or a pofessional gambler, should I choose those terms?
Would you be equally upset at jbjb calling himself a professional AP? I don't know if he does, but he certainly is. How about James Grosjean? I don't know what King James calls himself, but I know in court filings they refered to him as a "professional player".
Do you listen to GWAE on occasion? various players that are guests, including our own mickeycrimm are introduced as profressional AP's or professional players. Had I accepted an invitation to be on the show that was made 4-5 years ago, I expect that is how I would have been introduced.
I am sorry BoSox, I don't know exactly what your problem is, but it sure seems to be more about nit-piking things I say than anything else. No, I don't think it is hate, because we got along well for many years on many forums. To the point that I considered you an internet friend so to speak. But lately, sure seems to be something about me, that you have a bug up your ass about. And I am not the only one that sees it. You might want to figure out or come to terms with what THAT is about? Because I haven't a clue.
I am sorry MisterV, but No I am not getting into my tax filings on a message board. I will say that I have a tax guy, a guy that mostly handles and specializes in gamblers, so he knows what he is doing. And for tax purposes I have filed a couple different ways over the years, depending on what benefits me most, all legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
That is all I am going to say. If you think players claiming to make a living from gambling should be required to prove it by showing tax documents, then there will be no professioal players on these forums, that simple. Recreational players can talk amonst themselves. :rolleyes:
Learn how to use the proper pronouns when you reference kewlJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
She/Her/They/Them/It/Fag/Queer/Homo/Retard/Mommas Girl
Why are you filled with such hate, porkchop? I am a man, a gay man. I don't dress or have any desires to be a woman. I like sports. Play, attend and watch A LOT of sporting events. I don't like shopping or musicals. Why do you have to show your bigotry and hatred. You are a very typical bigot...hate everyone and anyone that is a little different than you, sexually, culturally, anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Are you defending his honor??.....lol :)Quote:
Originally Posted by monetLearn how to use the proper pronouns when you reference kewlJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
She/Her/They/Them/It/Fag/Queer/Homo/Retard/Mommas Girl
Here he is again---making claims, and then coming out with a display of fear if it came to him having to prove any of his concocted BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI am sorry MisterV, but No I am not getting into my tax filings on a message board. I will say that I have a tax guy, a guy that mostly handles and specializes in gamblers, so he knows what he is doing. And for tax purposes I have filed a couple different ways over the years, depending on what benefits me most, all legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
That is all I am going to say. If you think players claiming to make a living from gambling should be required to prove it by showing tax documents, then there will be no professioal players on these forums, that simple. Recreational players can talk amonst themselves. :rolleyes:
You are no more a "professional gambler" than AndrewG is a good father.
And here's a flash: most professional gamblers file their own returns in order to be able to skirt the rules very effectively in their favor. Only incompetent, weak people who want others to believe they're "pro g's" when they're not, claim to have a "tax guy". What a true idiot.
KJ, did you misunderstand?
Nowhere did I ask that you provide or post your tax returns, that would be asinine.
I asked only that you verify that you claimed your winnings offset by losses in the required legal manner.
I assumed that you'd file an individual return and that you'd file a schedule C to reflect your grambling income and expenses.
You say your tax guy has done it different ways: what ways are you referring to?
I could care less about the specifics of your filings, but their nature is what I'd like to know about.
Hell, prior to Trump's overhaul of the tax code even I, a lowly recreational gambler, reported gambling income on my 1040 and reported losses on my Schedule A.
What do you pros do, generally speaking, or do you feel uncomfortable / out of your element discussing tax-related matters?
No, I'm not looking for a "gotcha" moment, other than had you never filed it would be "case closed."
Uncomfortable? I don't know if that is the right term, but it is not my feild of expertise. That is why I pay someone else to handle it. :rolleyes: It is one of those things that I know I should eductae myself more on, along with finacial planning for the future but I just don't. I have little interest and am not motivated to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenWhat else should he call himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You have to be one of the most dense people to ever walk these forums.
Listen asshole, it is not about KJ calling himself professional that irks me. If that was his only intent in explaining how he makes a living. He is, on the other hand, using the term "Professional" as a leverage point of knowledge experience. So most anyone who questions his reasoning is out of their mind, at least it is how I perceive him from his perspective. This board almost never discusses blackjack so his methods of knowledge are, for the most part, a non-priority here so he is mostly bullshitting the forum that he is anyone meaningful. Unfortunately, I am also a blackjack player and been posting here hoping to pick up some of the vast wealth of insightful knowledge in other areas that the membership displays.
Hey look, the village idot woke up. Rob, you are truely the John Cleese character from the Monty Python Village idiot skits. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I have been consistant that no one is on trial and need prove anything, as long as the math works and that includes you, you Larry Fine looking goofball. However when YOU tied your math defying claims to purchasing a million and a half dollar Newell, then the burden of proof did shift. YOU did that!
But regardless, even though I am against anyone being required to show tax documents supporting their claims, I will break and do so and figure out how to do so, right after you do so, something you have renegged on once already with arci, if I am not mistaken. It was before my time so I may be mistaken on who it was but to refresh you both were supposed to show proof via tax returns, the other person did, and Rob Singer as usual, renegged and lied. :cool:
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Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDo you take umbrage with the term professional blackjack player / proffesional gambler or just my using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Honestly BoSox, the things you choose to nitpik with me, it is hard to come up with any other reason than you just sometimes have this desire to be a dick.
I was not going to get into this, but since BoSox brought it up -- of course MDawg would be under obligation, given his massive winnings, to file as a professional gambler. Even if he's very wealthy, the amount of his winnings, and the hours he puts in according to his posts, would define him as a professional. I'm not sure there's a way to evade this if he's won as he's posted. He wins session after session, year after year. It would be hard to say it's all just recreational winning time after time after time after time.
He would be in an interesting situation at odds with itself. Because he claims to have massive comps, and because he wins so much, if he did file as a pro, then he would probably be better off paying for rooms, which he could deduct as expenses, while switching his comps over to free play or some additional (preferably untrackable) rebate.
The problem would then arise that would be the same for anyone trying to define themselves as "professional gamblers" after lottery winnings. You would have to explain some actual means by which you win to satisfy the definition of "professional gambler" and to be able to write off expenses.
MDawg is actually in a very complicated situation. His posts might be more interesting if he discussed how or why he is or is not a professional. Oh what a tangled web....
There is no obligation to file as a professional gambler. But to do so would allow Mr Mdawg to claim deductions that he could not deduct as a non professional.
That he wins so much money or spends so much time gambling doesn't obligate him to claim a tax sheltered classification.
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Originally Posted by AndrewG
That's not what I meant, Alan. Sorry I was not completely clear. I meant logical obligation, not legal obligation.
He's not legally obligated, but trying to define his winnings as recreational in nature given his logs and history would result in scrutiny similar to when those idiots put water in ping pong balls in Pittsburgh for the lottery. You can't just win and win and win under the explanation of "recreational" and not expect to draw all kinds of attention that is worse in nature than if you called yourself a professional.
Memo to whomever may have discovered douchedawg's actual identity: the IRS might be interested in links / screen shots of his gambling brags.
Hello, audit ...
If the recreational filer pays a higher percentage of taxes than a professional using extra write-off deductions why would the IRS care?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
That's not what I meant, Alan. Sorry I was not completely clear. I meant logical obligation, not legal obligation.
He's not legally obligated, but trying to define his winnings as recreational in nature given his logs and history would result in scrutiny similar to when those idiots put water in ping pong balls in Pittsburgh for the lottery. You can't just win and win and win under the explanation of "recreational" and not expect to draw all kinds of attention that is worse in nature than if you called yourself a professional.
It is pretty simple. Once you classify as a gambler according to the IRS you simply fill out a Schedule C. That is where you show winnings and losses along with any other deductible expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
No.different than any other business. You can even incorporate and use your EIN when claiming jackpots. Although that takes some finesse if you already existed in some casino systems.
You clearly have NO CLUE how gamblers, both hobbyists and professional, are taxed. As in NO CLUE.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I was not going to get into this, but since BoSox brought it up -- of course MDawg would be under obligation, given his massive winnings, to file as a professional gambler. Even if he's very wealthy, the amount of his winnings, and the hours he puts in according to his posts, would define him as a professional. I'm not sure there's a way to evade this if he's won as he's posted. He wins session after session, year after year. It would be hard to say it's all just recreational winning time after time after time after time.
He would be in an interesting situation at odds with itself. Because he claims to have massive comps, and because he wins so much, if he did file as a pro, then he would probably be better off paying for rooms, which he could deduct as expenses, while switching his comps over to free play or some additional (preferably untrackable) rebate.
The problem would then arise that would be the same for anyone trying to define themselves as "professional gamblers" after lottery winnings. You would have to explain some actual means by which you win to satisfy the definition of "professional gambler" and to be able to write off expenses.
MDawg is actually in a very complicated situation. His posts might be more interesting if he discussed how or why he is or is not a professional. Oh what a tangled web....
Why? You are clueless about how the IRS views gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Bumping a discussion about Marydawg.....I know, giving him the attention he craves. :rolleyes:
Watching the Golden Knights demolish the Aves and tie up the series, doing a ton of surfing, I got around to checking on our friend MaryDawg over at that forum where he is the only poster (at least in his threads) and felt I had to give this update for those who might be worried. Mighty Marydawg claims winning days of 51k and 49k this week (among his 7 winning days, of course). :D
Hold on while I do the math....that is a zero, carry the 1... hey, 100k added to fairytale THIS WEEK (just in those 2 days). What a surprise that the fairytale claims are escalating. Who could have predicted THAT? :rolleyes: That mighty, might, MaryDawg....my hero.
By the way, by my calculations, I beleive this puts him up well over 300 grand in a little less than 3 months. And the casinos don't seem to mind one bit and continue to comp him, high end suites, meals, tickets to high priced sporting events, ect.
That Las Vegas.....boy that is one hell of a nice place! :rolleyes:
The IRS will not force you to file as a professional. They get more money if you don't. If you don't have other work you can pencil in unemployed. They have more of a problem with those claiming to be professionals when they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxJesus KewlJ even MDawg does not call himself a professional player. Matter of fact very few people use the term on gaming boards, as they do not need to prove themselves to anyone. The term itself is very subjective, to say the least. Regarding you saying it that is your business. However, the hours that you have put in from 2004 to 2015 you likely averaged out the same income as a blue-collar service employee who works plenty of overtime. Only over recent years have you started living a somewhat normal life by slowing down on your time spent in your occupation. The main question should be why do you always have the need to impress internet boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I was not going to get into this, but since BoSox brought it up -- of course MDawg would be under obligation, given his massive winnings, to file as a professional gambler. Even if he's very wealthy, the amount of his winnings, and the hours he puts in according to his posts, would define him as a professional. I'm not sure there's a way to evade this if he's won as he's posted. He wins session after session, year after year. It would be hard to say it's all just recreational winning time after time after time after time.
He would be in an interesting situation at odds with itself. Because he claims to have massive comps, and because he wins so much, if he did file as a pro, then he would probably be better off paying for rooms, which he could deduct as expenses, while switching his comps over to free play or some additional (preferably untrackable) rebate.
The problem would then arise that would be the same for anyone trying to define themselves as "professional gamblers" after lottery winnings. You would have to explain some actual means by which you win to satisfy the definition of "professional gambler" and to be able to write off expenses.
MDawg is actually in a very complicated situation. His posts might be more interesting if he discussed how or why he is or is not a professional. Oh what a tangled web....
I hadn't even thought of Mdog until you mentioned him.
Blackhole has been right yet again.
Just look at these clowns posing as "professional gamblers" struggling to come up with their takes on the theory of it. Kew, of course, eludes to his "superiority" of the profession without ever once offering to clarify anything about it. Then we have the forum weirdo serving up mounds of intelligence about mdawg in the most obtuse of ways, while opening with a gay part about him supposedly being a "runner". And all this....while he continuously stumbles over his own feet time and time again right here! At least max held back his usual be claims by not wanting to offer anything about his knowledge of so-called professional gamblers....because that's what losers do :)
If any of you idiots ever really filed as professional gamblers, there'd be no guessing, no stories, no theories, and no questions. You'd know EXACTLY what it was all about and how to explain what it is and why certain things are done.
And it has nothing to do with redietz running after some gay guys with only his My Slippers on.
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I mentioned Nikola in my post about running, so since it's LV related (and mcap would therefore approve), I'll follow up with a link to a short film about his Serbian running team, part of the 442 Crew as they're called, who compete each year in the annual The Speed Project. The Speed Project is a relay from the Santa Monica Pier to Las Vegas, rotating among a six-person crew.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...d&action=click
Note: Although my friend's name is Nikola, he is not the Nikola who appears as the opening credit for the film. I also want to mention that the RV in the film was not borrowed from an Israeli who discovered he couldn't drive it home.
Also, I have no idea if Rob ever filed as a professional gambler. I have, and I've filed in many other categories as well so as to maximize returns for Integrity Sports, which actually is a real thing.
Finally, I did look up the original definition of "double up." The first known use was in 1789, and it meant, according to Merriam-Webster, "to share accommodations designed for one." Nothing wrong with that, of course. Rob may indeed be expert, and I apologize for doubting him. I also defer to Rob's declared expertise regarding various kinds of sexuality. I don't have the experience to challenge any of his sexual assertions.
Put your reading glasses on gramps. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer