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Send Singer your tax documents and maybe you'll get your payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But your grift won't work, because you can't fabricate tax documents sent directly from the IRS, and your real documents don't match the story you've been telling.
You sunk your own ship by fighting this...you shouldn't have pussied out from those swimming lessons I offered.
Yeah, That's what I thought. Big mouth coach smelly pussied out too.
Singer pussied out.
Coach cockroack pussied out.
Hey potato boy over there at the voodoo gambling forums, looks like your little Army that you named last week given the chance to back up their years long bullshit about me, have all pussied out. I would ask you if you want to step in and take up this challenge but I don't think you have $150 let alone $150k.
I am done with you trolls. You are all fucking blocked permanantly. That goes for you to BoSucks.
RIP ........
Until next week.....lol
It certainly took me quite a while to read thru all kew's desperate face-saving rants here, and then his deflection-laced whining about my absence tonight AFTER MY LAST POST CLEARLY SAID I WAS TAKING MY WIFE OUT FOR DINNER AND WOULDN'T BE BACK ON UNTIL THIS MORNING. How many times have I told your boring, pathetic little ass that I LIVE A REAL LIFE, and unlike you, my life's existence is not based upon some internet forums concoction.
Kew, do you ever get anything right? The level of density you display over and over again is yet another tell about why you are not successful at anything. That's what happens when you don't read with comprehension and make so many things up.
Now to the bet you asked for: first off, WTF are you asking for money just to prove what you say is true? If it's true then logical minds would believe you'd simply have the IRS forward the info to someone you trust to post properly redacted photos of the summaries. Simple, no?
Instead, you want to make a bet out of it, and instead of reading with understanding you immediately start scrambling around in circles with a mountain of dumbass posts, looking very foolish in the process.
Here's where we are....or should be: you said a significant bet so I replied with a significant amount. You came back with an uncomfortable explanation about your future and other nonsense regarding why $150k was significant to you. I countered with $325k. You won't budge. Fine--I agree to $150k. And by the way AGAIN, you know we keep nothing in our names any more, I doubt the snoop sites have info on my 37-count valuable gun collection, and if you do your research you'd find that RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS are not included because there is no public or even private access to them. So if you doubt what results from two people having prepared for retirement after fairly lucrative careers, come meet me at Circa next week in the high limit room and learn how to play dollars thru $50 vp.
Next, I thought you agreed to an arbitrator for holding onto the money? It makes no sense using Dan. Use your head instead of your inexperience with life. You NEVER hand over cash to a gambling or poker addict for any reason. This should be obvious to a guy who fancies himself as a "man about town" in LV.
What should we expect? Your 3 most recent tax summaries. You've always claimed these were in the $90k-$100k range, but as soon as shit gets real (remember when you and your pal vowed to come to Phx. to see our Newell when we were selling it, then backed out as soon as I posted the address to be at?) you went into your usual panic mode and started downgrading your numbers in a frenzy! Well I want to see these hi-5 figures like you said..
So, seeing that I have met your two conditions and I hope the arbitrator is still good, I expect you to accept my one condition that the IRS documents come directly from them to me. If you think I care in the least about wasting time talking to casinos about you or anybody else, that's extreme paranoia. Again, I live a real life and casinos are nothing but infrequent entertainment these days. I'll even review them with you and the arbitrator present. And BS with the redactions for my eyes. Do you worry about everything?
Edit: I feel like a school teacher. Kew, I don't usually log in and out unless we're traveling. I keep my computer on and that's likely why you think I'm on when I'm not. The bigger question is, who bothers with looking at that stuff anyway? Oh...someone with no life.
The thing about button pushing is it's almost as boring as hand swiping. You know....Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenKinG
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
All fucking day long! BORINNNGGGGG!!!!!
Any monkey can....
Swipe,swipe,swipe
Swipe,swipe,swipe
Swipe your boody
Swipe your boody
Swipe....hit
Swipe....stand
Swipe....hit
Swipe....stand
All fucking day long!!!!
Do you use the same hand to swipe your stinking ass, ZK?
I suggest using Las Vegas attorney Brandon L. Phillips as an escrow to hold the money, view the info and make the call as to who won and who lost.
The Wiz has a banner add for him at DT; I met Brandon at a WoV Spring Fling, seems like a "normal" attorney.
As to the level of proof, IIRC KJ can ask the IRS to mail a SUMMARY, not a copy, of his returns; if so, he can ask the IRS to mail it to Brandon, and KJ should also give Brandon copies of his old, filed returns to compare against the info sent by the IRS.
Allow KJ and Singer to view but not copy or photograph the docs but only at a date, time and place certain, after which the attorney announces the winnner and hands over the money.
Allow the escrow free rein to discuss anything related to the bet, unlike the douchedawg / Wizard clusterfuck.
Your explanation of remaining logged on doesn't really fly as late evening you were logged in and out several different times. Even if you went out to dinner, how long does a meal at Denny's take? If you were really serious about setting something up involving a 6 figure wager, you could have gotten back in the alloted time frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But that aside, your proposal this morning has not a damn thing new in it. Terms that I have already rejected, mainly that you will have any access to my personal information. I don't know how I can be any clearer on the matter, I would not have agree to any terms that give you access to my personal information.
However late last night, I received an email from an attorney friend. When I say "friend" I have paid for his services a couple times and had lunch and dinner with him a couple times. Sometimes I just like to have a meal with him and pick his brain. But I consider him a friend. Maybe I am being liberal with the term. I suspect many know who I am referring to.
I am not sure how he came to learn of this wager/proposal. Probably a fellow AP alerted him, because I don't think he reads THIS forum. So anyway, I have been advised that the whole proposal involving the bet or financial arrangement is problematic, because such a bet is illegal. That means, no agreement with any person or company holding escrow could be enforced. No contract with an arbitrator, say Dan Druff or anyone else chosen could be enforced. I am advised this kind of wager/finacial agreement would almost certainly end in some sort of litigation, and there can be no litigation because it is an illegal wager.
That basically removes the finacial incentive, which without I have no interest in. Without the finacial incentive offering protection against loss of income due to my identity being revealed, you are asking me to do an "arci"...to show my taxes to prove to something to some trolls on an anonymous internet forum. I have never had an interest in that and still have zero interest in that.
Unless you can come up with something worthwhile to me, not a wager, but some sort of financial incentive to cover possible losses, I have no further interest in your games.
MisterV, I wouldn't have been opposed to an attorney like Mr Phillips, whom I do not know. But I remain opposed to Rob Singer seeing any personal information of mine. If it could be done in such a way for him to see the numbers provided by the IRS or IRS summary, without anything identifying, I would have no objection to that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
However, a new issue has arisen with the financial incentive, which I have just outlined. You being an attorney, would you care to weigh in on what my attorney friend relayed to me about no contract or agreement being enforcable because it is basically an illegal wager?
I went thru all the posts on this again and by all accounts it appears like kew will NEVER (his word) have anything sent directly to me--for the most ridiculous of paranoid reasons. It's also BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that with him being the bet originator where he at this time is the only one who knows the truth about his claims, there is no reason in the world why he would not throw every penny he has at this plus solicit cash from as many people as it takes to have accepted my original "significant" (again, his word) bet amount, if he supposedly knows he will win. It make no sense that he wouldn't do that. Which leads to the only logical conclusion: he's lying.
This is his concocted online life, not mine. For him to use those flimsy excuses about why he won't have the summaries (yes Mr. V, I've mentioned summaries multiple times before you did) sent directly to me only means he's using that as his method of escape. Typical kew. And for someone who's life depends on forum perception.....
You and your login nonsense--a thirty-something who doesn't understand computers?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYour explanation of remaining logged on doesn't really fly as late evening you were logged in and out several different times. Even if you went out to dinner, how long does a meal at Denny's take? If you were really serious about setting something up involving a 6 figure wager, you could have gotten back in the alloted time frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But that aside, your proposal this morning has not a damn thing new in it. Terms that I have already rejected, mainly that you will have any access to my personal information. I don't know how I can be any clearer on the matter, I would not have agree to any terms that give you access to my personal information.
However late last night, I received an email from an attorney friend. When I say "friend" I have paid for his services a couple times and had lunch and dinner with him a couple times. Sometimes I just like to have a meal with him and pick his brain. But I consider him a friend. Maybe I am being liberal with the term. I suspect many know who I am referring to.
I am not sure how he came to learn of this wager/proposal. Probably a fellow AP alerted him, because I don't think he reads THIS forum. So anyway, I have been advised that the whole proposal involving the bet or financial arrangement is problematic, because such a bet is illegal. That means, no agreement with any person or company holding escrow could be enforced. No contract with an arbitrator, say Dan Druff or anyone else chosen could be enforced. I am advised this kind of wager/finacial agreement would almost certainly end in some sort of litigation, and there can be no litigation because it is an illegal wager.
That basically removes the finacial incentive, which without I have no interest in. Without the finacial incentive offering protection against loss of income due to my identity being revealed, you are asking me to do an "arci"...to show my taxes to prove to something to some trolls on an anonymous internet forum. I have never had an interest in that and still have zero interest in that.
Unless you can come up with something worthwhile to me, not a wager, but some sort of financial incentive to cover possible losses, I have no further interest in your games.
Now the bet is "illegal". What other escape hatch will you come up with.
So just do as several of us have said: prove your veracity by having your summaries sent to Dan who will then report on them. It might cost you 40 bucks, and if you can't afford it I'll take care of it.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
There are no possible losses if you post photos of the tax documents on this forum, and redact the personal identifying information.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You've been posting the amounts that you claim to have won, over and over, for years.
After years of effort attempting to prove something to anonymous members across several forums, what's stopping you from corroborating your claims now?
You are obviously hiding the fact that your playing and tax records do not match the story that you've been telling.
Haleluju!!! Only took me stating it a dozen time for you to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
There is a reason actually and I hinted to it. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to offend anyone that might be involved as an arbitrator. The single word explanation is 'collusion'. What is stopping either party, you or I with colluding with the arbitrator and splitting the proceeds should he rule in our favor? That is a scenario that I could lose, while knowing that I have actually won. And thus I weighed what I was willing to risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But again, moot point at the moment.
I have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Ok, I didn't read the cockroach belly's post and I am done reading yours Rob, unless you can come up with something new, something that I will find acceptable in protecting myself. I am just not going to re-hash the same unacceptable crap over and over.
MisterV, I am still interested in hearing your thoughts on the above mentioned legal opinion. regnis as well if you care to weigh in.
Sorry KJ, I'm not an expert in that area; google shows private gambling debts are a contract, but collection of losses can be problematical if the specific type of gambling is not permitted under state law.
Bottom line: it seems to me that there would be no problem if neither of you balk at carrying through; let us however assume that the loser tells the escrow not to pay the losing bet; the escrow cannot then pay the money over and would have to refund it to the welsher.
Another issue would be bankruptcy: gambling debts are dischargeable; also if the escrow paid over the winnings to the winner and the loser then files bankruptcy I believe the bankruptcy trustee would demand the money be refunded.
So this will only work if the bettors are "honorable men."
Ahem ...
All you're showing here is more paranoia nonsense muddying up what should be an otherwise very simple endeavor. And why all the obfuscating? Because you know your collar does not match your cuffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJHaleluju!!! Only took me stating it a dozen time for you to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
There is a reason actually and I hinted to it. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to offend anyone that might be involved as an arbitrator. The single word explanation is 'collusion'. What is stopping either party, you or I with colluding with the arbitrator and splitting the proceeds should he rule in our favor? That is a scenario that I could lose, while knowing that I have actually won. And thus I weighed what I was willing to risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But again, moot point at the moment.
The only reason arci was foolish is because his records in no way matched his claims here. And that's exactly why you have no interest in doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I just assumed it was somewhere in that neighborhood. Obviously, the bet should reflect whatever was said by Rob, and you ORIGINALLY. If you have indicated that you have made between 70k and 100k via AP with an average of 80k (or whatever) and Rob comes along and says it has to be at least 90k, then I would call weaseling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Geez, I guess we didn't really cover that, but no I didn't average 90k in blackjack last 3 years. I have shared both as I was going through it and many times since that Last year (2020) was the worst year of my carreer for blackjack, as I made 14k, after being in the red most of the year. I know without looking that 2019 was above expectation over 6 figures and 2018, slightly below expectation, about 70k. (these are blackjack only results).
Since I generally post exactly what I made at the end of each year, I will go back and find my claims for thse 3 years and my tax returns gambling income will match exactly. That is the wager.
Although the numbers on my returns will be higher because they will include non blackjack AP winnings as well, but still will match what I said each year.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThe only reason arci was foolish is because his records in no way matched his claims here. And that's exactly why you have no interest in doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I wish you would stop lying. Stop your lying or "spoofing" or whatever narcissistic nonsense you spend your days touting.
If "his records in no way matched his claims here," then dig up the claims. Where's the quotes? Where's the specifics? What, people are supposed to think you're the forum historian with an eidetic memory? You're on this forum. Go find some arci quotes where's he's claiming specific numbers for the years he sent in his tax returns.
Just stop bullshitting about arci, how about it? Go ahead -- dig up the posts with arci's alleged monetary claims for the years he sent in his taxes. Let's see them. If you're too lazy to do it, maybe Alan Mendelson can help out and explain what specific figures arci used in his alleged forum claims.
Note: "Singer" will now go out to dinner. For three or four days.
NOTHING was ever agreed to! Rob's terms always including him personally seeing my tax returns and personal information, and I not for one iota of a second would EVER consider, much less agree to, such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If what he has said comes close to matching up (let's say within a 15% margin ) would you not agree that for the most part what he has been saying regarding what he makes per year is credible? Yes or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAll you're showing here is more paranoia nonsense muddying up what should be an otherwise very simple endeavor. And why all the obfuscating? Because you know your collar does not match your cuffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Haleluju!!! Only took me stating it a dozen time for you to understand.
There is a reason actually and I hinted to it. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to offend anyone that might be involved as an arbitrator. The single word explanation is 'collusion'. What is stopping either party, you or I with colluding with the arbitrator and splitting the proceeds should he rule in our favor? That is a scenario that I could lose, while knowing that I have actually won. And thus I weighed what I was willing to risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But again, moot point at the moment.
Someome reread what MR.V said... Something like that seem like it would solve any tomfoolery issues. For that amount of money, I would also request that JK somehow shows proof that it's actually his documents and him.
Whatever the case, this is all moot because we have a one-sided situation. If KJ can't prove it, he won't make the bet, he would only be willing to make the bet if he is 100% certain he could prove it, and you would never take him up on the bet if he did in fact agreed to it, since you know that's the case as well. So it seems now the only place to go is for one of you to make up one or more conditions that you know the other person won't accept.
Have the escrow redact your SS number and address from the returns / IRS summaries, then let Singer briefly view the redacted documents.
That should satisfy the concerns of the two of you.
Or tewlj could post photos of the redacted documents on this forum today, and Singer can view them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Look, here is the situation. For 20+ years Rob Singer has trolled the AP community on numerous forums. He has had all kinds of claims during that time. 10 years worth of progressive wagering wins totaling millions. Later amended to 4 years to make room for the double up bug claim which he stole from a news account. I don't even know all the claims.
During that time, again 20 years mind you, Rob resisted any and all calls to show anything colaborating his claims. He had no reason not to like it would put his AP career in danger as he claimed not to even be an AP and second at that time machine players, weren't as scrutinized, and revealing identity wouldn't be as big a deal as say a blackjack player. Today things have changed and machine players are in as much danger, but back then, he had no excuse.
BUT he NEVER showed anything colaborating anything! And that is fine....that is his right. No one is on trial, nor need prove anything. These are anonymous message boards. But I will be damned if he even has the right to ask, let alone demand as he does that of others.
Now it is true, that I was considering showing proof of my claims to a third party, like Dan Druff, although it was never discussed with dan Druff if he even wanted to be involved. I had 2 stipulations. 1) that Singer at no time have access to my personal information and that 2) A financial agreement, basically a bet, so that I could profit which would offer me some protection in the event that my identy was revealed and it hampered my ability to play and earn money.
The first stipulation was never ever agreed to, not even close to an agreement, no where near even on the same page. So there is no renegging involved. The second stipulation now appears to be out of the question as there is no means to enfporce and agreement or contract to insure collection of money due.
End of story.
Now if Rob wants to link to any thread discussion when he EVER colaborated any of his many claims, I guess we can talk. I am not sure exactly what there is to talk about because the facts will remain that we are miles apart on stipulation #1 and stipulation #2 simply can't not be met to my satifaction based on what the attorney has stated.
But I am NOT going to be bullied and pressure by a guy who refused to show anything for decades, and the one time he did have an agreement with Arci, he completely renegged.
Axelwolf, MisterV, I am sure you know as I do and everyone else right now, just what Rob's play is. He set the stipulation that he must see my taxes and personal information because he knows I will not agree to that. and if I don't he will claim victory.
Now if some compromise position were reached where he could see tax documents, with my information redacted, he will never accept that and you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. He will say no proof that information belongs to me.
And finally, if I agreed to let him see documents unredacted, he will simply claim they are falsified, while getting access to my personal information, which is what he really wants.
So there is no way for me to win the wager. Besides such a wager being illegal and uncollectable because any agreement, contract can not be enforced.
So Axelwolf, MisterV, please stop playing into Rob's trolling games. The mistake I made yesterday was even considering getting involved in these troll games. I have seen it all before. We all have seen it all before. I should have known better.
If this was all legit and you could get 505k, I think you would be foolish not to. With over 5 years of income all at once, I'm certain you could figure out how to manage card counting and not get blown out of the water. Obviously, you would have him sign a confidentiality agreement with some type of penalty if he were to break it.
I have a great memory red, something you lack. I remember arci lost his wife to renal failure because he chose to keep dragging his wife into +EV vp situations in Nevada rather than allow her to rest. I also remember his 30-yr. old son couldn't take it and chose to end it all with a narcotics overdose. And this once fine family became the poster child for what addictive AP play in LV can actually do to some.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThe only reason arci was foolish is because his records in no way matched his claims here. And that's exactly why you have no interest in doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I wish you would stop lying. Stop your lying or "spoofing" or whatever narcissistic nonsense you spend your days touting.
If "his records in no way matched his claims here," then dig up the claims. Where's the quotes? Where's the specifics? What, people are supposed to think you're the forum historian with an eidetic memory? You're on this forum. Go find some arci quotes where's he's claiming specific numbers for the years he sent in his tax returns.
Just stop bullshitting about arci, how about it? Go ahead -- dig up the posts with arci's alleged monetary claims for the years he sent in his taxes. Let's see them. If you're too lazy to do it, maybe Alan Mendelson can help out and explain what specific figures arci used in his alleged forum claims.
Note: "Singer" will now go out to dinner. For three or four days.
Within 15% is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfIf what he has said comes close to matching up (let's say within a 15% margin ) would you not agree that for the most part what he has been saying regarding what he makes per year is credible? Yes or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAll you're showing here is more paranoia nonsense muddying up what should be an otherwise very simple endeavor. And why all the obfuscating? Because you know your collar does not match your cuffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Someome reread what MR.V said... Something like that seem like it would solve any tomfoolery issues. For that amount of money, I would also request that JK somehow shows proof that it's actually his documents and him.
Whatever the case, this is all moot because we have a one-sided situation. If KJ can't prove it, he won't make the bet, he would only be willing to make the bet if he is 100% certain he could prove it, and you would never take him up on the bet if he did in fact agreed to it, since you know that's the case as well. So it seems now the only place to go is for one of you to make up one or more conditions that you know the other person won't accept.
I'm not going into this blind and kew knows it. When I offered a bet amount it's because I know I won't lose. He OTOH obviously knows what I know-- that he's been lying many times over for the sake of his internet forum character concoction. The proof? He didn't ask you or anybody else to help him put up a whole lot more cash. There are no more conditions than we e already brought up, and most of them are his.
And why would he want to do that? There is no real upside unless he cares more about what his haters think than any possible downsides and the trouble. Then there is no guarantee people won't claim it's doctored somehow. The haters will just move on to something else to harass him about.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyOr tewlj could post photos of the redacted documents on this forum today, and Singer can view them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I really haven't been reading each and every post fully, so I'm not sure who said what and what's been changed or the exact conditions. You might both be bluffing knowing full well this will never take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWithin 15% is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfIf what he has said comes close to matching up (let's say within a 15% margin ) would you not agree that for the most part what he has been saying regarding what he makes per year is credible? Yes or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Someome reread what MR.V said... Something like that seem like it would solve any tomfoolery issues. For that amount of money, I would also request that JK somehow shows proof that it's actually his documents and him.
Whatever the case, this is all moot because we have a one-sided situation. If KJ can't prove it, he won't make the bet, he would only be willing to make the bet if he is 100% certain he could prove it, and you would never take him up on the bet if he did in fact agreed to it, since you know that's the case as well. So it seems now the only place to go is for one of you to make up one or more conditions that you know the other person won't accept.
I'm not going into this blind and kew knows it. When I offered a bet amount it's because I know I won't lose. He OTOH obviously knows what I know-- that he's been lying many times over for the sake of his internet forum character concoction. The proof? He didn't ask you or anybody else to help him put up a whole lot more cash. There are no more conditions than we e already brought up, and most of them are his.
First there is no way for me to guarantee I will get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
And second, are you seriously suggesting that I have Rob Singer sign a confidentiality agreement and trust him to keep his word? And with no less than my career on the line?
Come on man. I know you love the drama, but get real.
That's a lot of blah blah blah kew. I've ready offered right here to go over my financials with you on a computer as a freebie part of the bet.. All I get is silence. And those who remember my "GT Columnist Lays Down The Gauntlet" bet with Fezzik/the HP crowd remain with unforgettable hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You're using your paranoia about your "personal information" as an escape clause. What personal info are you so worried about? You've already got most or all of my same info and it doesn't matter at all. Your address? Who cares? Your ss#? WTF would you be worried about, especially if everything you claim is true? But it ISNT true is it!
Please wise....and man up.
Kew, I'll adopt you if I lost and refused to pay. Besides, you gotta know such a career is a going nowhere career.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJFirst there is no way for me to guarantee I will get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
And second, are you seriously suggesting that I have Rob Singer sign a confidentiality agreement and trust him to keep his word? And with no less than my career on the line?
Come on man. I know you love the drama, but get real.
I wasn't bluffing. I know that I can prove my claims, and was thinking a guaranteed chance to make money. BUT, then you consider who you are dealing with and not only are there no guarantees of anything, but it becomes a real longshot. And at the expense of my identity and jeopardising my career.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I guess all I have done is make Mr Irrelevent, relevant again. He is full of wind again.
For the same reasons he made the winning claims in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
He offered unsolicited winning claims...why did he do that?
And why bother making the claims if unwilling to corroborate them with something?
Especially since posting the redacted documents carries no risk, and very little effort.
Unless the documents don't match the story he's been telling...that's the downside.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI have a great memory red, something you lack. I remember arci lost his wife to renal failure because he chose to keep dragging his wife into +EV vp situations in Nevada rather than allow her to rest. I also remember his 30-yr. old son couldn't take it and chose to end it all with a narcotics overdose. And this once fine family became the poster child for what addictive AP play in LV can actually do to some.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I wish you would stop lying. Stop your lying or "spoofing" or whatever narcissistic nonsense you spend your days touting.
If "his records in no way matched his claims here," then dig up the claims. Where's the quotes? Where's the specifics? What, people are supposed to think you're the forum historian with an eidetic memory? You're on this forum. Go find some arci quotes where's he's claiming specific numbers for the years he sent in his tax returns.
Just stop bullshitting about arci, how about it? Go ahead -- dig up the posts with arci's alleged monetary claims for the years he sent in his taxes. Let's see them. If you're too lazy to do it, maybe Alan Mendelson can help out and explain what specific figures arci used in his alleged forum claims.
Note: "Singer" will now go out to dinner. For three or four days.
And you should therefore be able to pull up those specific "claims" with specific numbers without delay then, eh? You don't have any numbers do you, Rob? You don't have any posts with specific numbers for those tax years of arci's, do you? Do you really think "Rob Remembers" substitutes for evidence?
You just make crap up, and then you get called on it, and you have nothing. Like right now. Go get the "claims." Get the numbers. Try not to take too many weeks for dinner.
Take your time. I'll wait.
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You should have known better.
I wonder how much money Rob would have to borrow from his children in order to settle up if he had actually agreed to Kewlj’s terms.
KJ, maybe you should play Rob like a fly fisherman plays a brookie.
Easy does it, then reel him in.
I'd consult with a Nevada attorney (hello, Bob N.) before committing, and if you want to move forward have the attorney draft a betting agreement (if legal: may not be, then forget it) for the two of you to sign as well as escrow instructions.
Singer has no basis to insist that the IRS mail him your tax info: he should be satisfied by merely viewing it at the escrow's office.
Of course he insists on this knowing full well you wouldn't agree; maybe you should call his bluff?
You could have the agreement cover this; e.g. you will disclose the info to him AFTER the money has been paid into escrow by the two of you, and if he loses and balks at paying then the agreement says he forfeits his bet as the agreed price you charge him to view your info.
Stated differently: let the guy have it IF it guarantees you a life-changing pay day.
But of course we know this rocket will never leave the launching pad ...
Maybe his daughter could get a second mortgage on her house. You know, the one that Rob bought free and clear for her.Quote:
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Oh wait,,, there's already a second mortgage on it.....lol
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Oh wait,,, there's already a second mortgage on it.....lol
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Oh wait,,, there's already a second mortgage on it.....lol
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Originally Posted by MaxPen
Isn't too hard to tell who's been wounded since kew chickened out of his own bet; why, what a surprise. It's the same coward who was afraid to come over here and face me in the Newell! And no, I'm not gonna re-explain your lie about the houses we bought for our children. Max you remind me of Joe Biden. He screwed up big time by not doing what he said he'd do. People might stand nearby him but they never forget. You'd probably want to tell that to your equally shamed pal kew.
And wise up.
If the money is in escrow and you are sure that you would win I dont see how that is not close to a guarantee. I guess nothing in life is really a guantee.Quote:
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And second, are you seriously suggesting that I have Rob Singer sign a confidentiality agreement and trust him to keep his word? And with no less than my career on the line?
Come on man. I know you love the drama, but get real.
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You need to Wake Up,,,, you're dreaming again.
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You will forgive me if I don't take my legal advice from you. Look you know the same attorney that advised me last night. As a matter of fact I figured it was probably you that directed him to this situation. Maybe not...I don't know?
But anyway, an arbitrator agreed apon has no authority to release the escrow, because the wager is not legal. And any party seeking litigation because they are not satisfied with the outcome is going to basically win and get their money back, because the wager is not legal. So it is sort of a free roll for Singer and I expect he knows this.
The example given to me was it would be like if you had a contract with someone to kill some one and they didn't do it, and you took it to court. You are not going to win because the action contracted for is not legal.
Anyway, talk to the attorney. You know him. And then get back to me with what you think and we will see if your "I don't see how" changes.
But really none of this matters now. My conditions, the financial part can not legally be met. And without that I am not interested in showing anything to anyone (shades of Arci), to satisfy Rob Singer, or any other trolls on an anonymous message board. I never agree to That. I never agreed to anything. There were proposals, but none met my conditions. If those trolls or anyone else feels that means I welched, I am fine with that. No didfferent than any other revised reality on these forums.
And frankly Axelwolf, I think you are trying to stir the pot (as you often do) with your "Oh golly gee, seems to me..." nonsense, when I am pretty sure you know better.
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The arbitrator in this case, says Arci's records DID match, so can you prove they didn't?Quote:
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Can you prove this Rob?Quote:
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This is what trolls like Rob Singer and cockroach belly want this forum to be with their trolling demand of proof. Gambling forums and gambling related forums (and I am not sure this forum qualifies as either anymore or ever did) are a place where players, recreational all the way to professional can share their gambling experiences. Those reading have the option to believe them or not believe them or believe some. That is it. That is their right. Demanding of proof of anything is NOT their right. No one is on trial.
And for the smart people, as I have said a million times, "it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Unfortunately, here we are dominated by trolls.
Maybe someone else who lives in Los Vegas can answer the following three questions:
Is the cost of living in Los Vegas high? The reason for the question is that I have only opinions related to this thread pertaining to KewlJ which may not be accurate which I will now state. I believe the cost of living reasonably well in Los Vegas is high. From reading a few of the forums often it seems that KJ appears to be living a good life and I wonder how he is doing this based on his journey reports. Just how can he have $600K or so in savings, A very nice paid off in full high rise condo in over a 12-year span with earnings of 1.2 million over that time span while always paying his taxes in full as well as paying all his bills over the 12 years? That question seems much harder to answer than how he goes about his business totally undetected. I tend to believe that he could not be living both a good life and paying uncle sam as what he has been disclosing on forums, those numbers does not seem to add up to me. Does someone else have a more informed
opinion on the matter?
You just never learn. If you ask for proof then you need to put in the correct information into the question. And yes, this is one method of determining who the "smart" ones are. You, for instance, have been making ludicrous online claims for years, and as has been said before, your collars do not match your cuffs.Quote:
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The arbitrator in this case, says Arci's records DID match, so can you prove they didn't?Quote:
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This is what trolls like Rob Singer and cockroach belly want this forum to be with their trolling demand of proof. Gambling forums and gambling related forums (and I am not sure this forum qualifies as either anymore or ever did) are a place where players, recreational all the way to professional can share their gambling experiences. Those reading have the option to believe them or not believe them or believe some. That is it. That is their right. Demanding of proof of anything is NOT their right. No one is on trial.
And for the smart people, as I have said a million times, "it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Unfortunately, here we are dominated by trolls.
As for me....I live quite a different life than you or any of your casino rat pals in LV. And you seem to know that based on your sudden no-shows here when our RV was being sold. You guys just didn't want your pretend BS to come to an end so you both took the coward's way out. Understandable though. And you've gotta love how max got so uneasy watching you and your own bet fizzle as you ran away from it (like you did when you faked your own death :) ) so he brings up his lies about the houses I purchased again. You people live such nothing lives (yeah he thinks his one trip overseas makes him a world traveller) because all you know is casinos...and he can't even afford to hire a contractor to remodel a stinking bathroom! So he brings up his lies about our homes etc., when if he really wanted to dig he'd see my daughter and her hubby have 6 homes in four states and counting, and they got their start by mortgaging the homes I paid cash for.
It's all so foolish watching you clowns squirm over the successful lives of others, and how you have to lie about them AND YOURSELVES in order to cope in such a world where you people just don't feel like you measure up.
arci's life went down the tubes because he too put AP gambling before all else. Do YOU have any better hope for your future? You guys are in a rut and you know it. And that's why you hate people like me who see you for what you are.
Wise up.
Still waiting for "Singer," with his great memory, to post the quotes from arci regarding claims for the years arc provided taxes. Where's the quotes regarding his claims? What were the specific figures he claimed that were so different from his taxes? It's all on this site, Rob. When are you going to post the quotes?
Instead of lying, why don't you stick to facts for a change?
Still waiting for you to list arci's claims. I'm a patient man.
That's because you are fucking paranoid, and now you are being a Dick. And, I was not giving legal advice. I actually didn't read where said whatever about it not being legal nor did I realize you had "backed out" So, you now somehow think I was stirring the pot and indicating you were welching on a bet or whatever. Well, that's not the case. I would have probably felt the same way you do. However, I would have found a way around it(that's all assuming I thought it could be a legit bet in the first place) you are soo sensitive about anything that might possibly make you look bad that you overreacted to my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I'm sure there would be a way to do it where it's not considered a bet, and payment would be "guaranteed. There have been far stranger things set up that were legally binding.
If you have proof of what you are saying then IT CAN'T BE A FREE ROLL FOR HIM, also I'm sure a fee would have to be paid for the services so it would be at best a losing situation for him I that was his angle, it would be a dumb one.
You seemed to have gotten worked up over somthing WE ALL KNEW WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Can you prove this RV was sold Rob?Quote:
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Caan you prove you purchased house(s) Rob? (because there is no record of you owning any property)Quote:
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Can you proveyou own a home and/or multiple homes?Quote:
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If there is please tell me because I would like to do it. I am going by what an attorney "friend" who took the time to contact me, because he was concerned said, and he said it would be illegal which guarantees, I would not get paid. So if you know a way it can be structered differently so that it is legal and guarantees I will get paid. please tell me and I will see what the attorney thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Yeah, we all know why you ask the question. You are hoping to find some sort of "gottch ya" thing like cockroach belly does all the time. That is just the kind of troll you have become. If you want to know the info you could look it up. Easy info to find but I will help you anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I will first address the lie that you started with. Can you post where I said I had $600k in savings? I wish I did. What I said was my net wealth was between 500 and 600k, including my condo. I went on to clearly state that I have less than $300k in savings which includes my BR. Re-read and tell me that is NOT what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Now in answer to your question, almost any cost of living website or calculator places Las Vegas (and it is LAS not Los) just about the national average as far as cost of living, some slightly above, some slightly below. The national average obviously consists of everywhere, including all the small towns and rural areas that have low cost of living. So while right at or near the national average may not seem low it is low, much lower that almost any other major city. Take Boston for example which you are familiar with. Las vegas cost of living is 52% below Boston. If you compare to the west coast cities or bigger cities like Chicago, New York, Miami, it is even lower, upwards of 75% below.
The thing that has been much cheaper in my time here has been housing. I arrived just at the housing bubble just after the housing crash of 2008, when both buying and renting were at extreme lows because supply far exceeded demand with all the foreclosed properties. That is begining to change now and prices of both rentals and buying property is now rising, but still far below most other major cities. People coming from places like California are like OMG!
You also fail to realize that for most of my 12 years in Vegas, I had a partner and part of that time spouse. He also had income. 1/2 of our supplemental machine play income as well as his disability payments. I didn't charge him rent or anything, but he would kick in on some bills, like utilities and buy gas for the car which he drove, pay part of the health insurance, occasionally kick in on some groceries or household items.
My brother has been with me for 6 years now. Initially coming out of college, he didn't pay anything, but then he started paying the cable/internet bills, kicking in some for car insurance, occasionally groceries, when we were at the house. When we bought the condo, He bought it with me. He put some money down when we bought it, and has been making payments and is half way toward owning half officially.
So what I am trying to say is, you have left out income, are hoping to highball living expenses, and flat out lied about my savings, more than doubling it, trying to make the numbers not add up when they do. I'd like to think this was unintentional, but you are doing this kind of thing all the time now. It is shades of a former member/owner here, who used to also manipulate everything said. I guess that is who you are now BoSox. You are the new Alan. :rolleyes:
It depends. For me there is nowhere that I could live cheaper in the US. I eat out almost every meal for the cost of a tip. Property taxes are low. Utilities are reasonable. No state income tax. The only thing I can think of that is high is gas. But since the valley is so condensed it could be twice as high and not add up to anything substantial. I personally couldn't live in a 3rd world country for less.Quote:
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Bosox doesn't stand a chance in hell of being the "new Alan" nobody does ! ..............wait a minute Andrew might be able to pull it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYeah, we all know why you ask the question. You are hoping to find some sort of "gottch ya" thing like cockroach belly does all the time. That is just the kind of troll you have become. If you want to know the info you could look it up. Easy info to find but I will help you anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I will first address the lie that you started with. Can you post where I said I had $600k in savings? I wish I did. What I said was my net wealth was between 500 and 600k, including my condo. I went on to clearly state that I have less than $300k in savings which includes my BR. Re-read and tell me that is NOT what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Now in answer to your question, almost any cost of living website or calculator places Las Vegas (and it is LAS not Los) just about the national average as far as cost of living, some slightly above, some slightly below. The national average obviously consists of everywhere, including all the small towns and rural areas that have low cost of living. So while right at or near the national average may not seem low it is low, much lower that almost any other major city. Take Boston for example which you are familiar with. Las vegas cost of living is 52% below Boston. If you compare to the west coast cities or bigger cities like Chicago, New York, Miami, it is even lower, upwards of 75% below.
The thing that has been much cheaper in my time here has been housing. I arrived just at the housing bubble just after the housing crash of 2008, when both buying and renting were at extreme lows because supply far exceeded demand with all the foreclosed properties. That is begining to change now and prices of both rentals and buying property is now rising, but still far below most other major cities. People coming from places like California are like OMG!
You also fail to realize that for most of my 12 years in Vegas, I had a partner and part of that time spouse. He also had income. 1/2 of our supplemental machine play income as well as his disability payments. I didn't charge him rent or anything, but he would kick in on some bills, like utilities and buy gas for the car which he drove, pay part of the health insurance, occasionally kick in on some groceries or household items.
My brother has been with me for 6 years now. Initially coming out of college, he didn't pay anything, but then he started paying the cable/internet bills, kicking in some for car insurance, occasionally groceries, when we were at the house. When we bought the condo, He bought it with me. He put some money down when we bought it, and has been making payments and is half way toward owning half officially.
So what I am trying to say is, you have left out income, are hoping to highball living expenses, and flat out lied about my savings, more than doubling it, trying to make the numbers not add up when they do. I'd like to think this was unintentional, but you are doing this kind of thing all the time now. It is shades of a former member/owner here, who used to also manipulate everything said. I guess that is who you are now BoSox. You are the new Alan. :rolleyes:
A single middle age guy can live VERY WELL in several 2nd/3rd world countries for 1500$-2000$ month. I've been looking at several places that fit the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenIt depends. For me there is nowhere that I could live cheaper in the US. I eat out almost every meal for the cost of a tip. Property taxes are low. Utilities are reasonable. No state income tax. The only thing I can think of that is high is gas. But since the valley is so condensed it could be twice as high and not add up to anything substantial. I personally couldn't live in a 3rd world country for less.Quote:
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All good points. Like maxpen, for the first 11 years I, my partner and my brother over 5 years of that time, all ate out at least once a day, basically for free. The last 18 months since covid that has changed. This really reduces grocery bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenIt depends. For me there is nowhere that I could live cheaper in the US. I eat out almost every meal for the cost of a tip. Property taxes are low. Utilities are reasonable. No state income tax. The only thing I can think of that is high is gas. But since the valley is so condensed it could be twice as high and not add up to anything substantial. I personally couldn't live in a 3rd world country for less.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Another cost efficent thing about Las Vegas, not so much cost of living, but kind of related is cheap and easy travel. The airport is really easy, efficent and well run, never much lines, with cheap airfare to almost everywhere. I know of one AP that moved to Vegas because of the easy and cheap flights everywhere. He claims he doesn't even play Vegas.
And concerning my own finances, I forgot to mention that I have bought and sold 3 properties (not including my current condo) in my time here, making a pretty good profit on two. The other was basically a break even proposition as I only owned a second rental property a short time before selling it for roughly what I bought it for. I did have rental income for a year though.
Is this the stuff you concoct in your head for comfort as you get rocked to sleep by the wind blowing up against your camper?Quote:
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Really,,,, you should just be proud that you raised a child with enough responsibility to take care of you in your twilight years.
My fixed costs are pretty much right there. Everything above $1500 is discretionary. This does not assume future replacement cost for vehicles and such, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyA single middle age guy can live VERY WELL in several 2nd/3rd world countries for 1500$-2000$ month. I've been looking at several places that fit the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenIt depends. For me there is nowhere that I could live cheaper in the US. I eat out almost every meal for the cost of a tip. Property taxes are low. Utilities are reasonable. No state income tax. The only thing I can think of that is high is gas. But since the valley is so condensed it could be twice as high and not add up to anything substantial. I personally couldn't live in a 3rd world country for less.Quote:
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Originally Posted by OzzyA single middle age guy can live VERY WELL in several 2nd/3rd world countries for 1500$-2000$ month. I've been looking at several places that fit the bill.Quote:
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My goodness, what a surprise I could live very well there. I heard that in Laughlin the gaming sucks but the place is loaded with slightly older women sounds right up my alley.
If you own your home and everything else then Vegas probably has the lowest cost of living without sacrificing any comforts or experiences than any place in the world. But I also pretty much have a workaround for just about every aspect of life too. I am constantly amazed at what other people believe to be the facts of life...... RIPQuote:
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My goodness, what a surprise I could live very well there. I heard that in Laughlin the gaming sucks but the place is loaded with slightly older women sounds right up my alley.
It makes total sense for most AP'S who aren't willing to travel around much to be located in Vegas. If someone is willing to travel around North America, then they can basically have room/food completely covered if they play their cards right. I did it for several years, mostly gas and some wear/tear on the vehicle. I ate a buffet for my meal every day/ every other day and very rarely had to cough up for a room, maybe 20-30 times a year.
I spent 90-100 days in Las Vegas every year for the better part of 30 years. The biggest difference from the first year to the 30th in terms of cost was the amount I could deduct for meals. initially the business meal expense per diem was very small, in the bottom third of U.S. cities. Not sure it's still the case, but at the time, the IRS assigned cities into categories for meal deductions. My last year, the meal cost per diem had jumped into the top third, and LV was considered an "expensive" meal city.
Bump. This thread is being bumped until I get someone with verifiable proof that is up on the main floor shoe games with a decent sample size at Caesars Palace LV/AC, Planet Hollywood, Mandalay Bay, San Manuel, Harrah's PA or any Harrah's in general, and all of Southern California shoe games. SHOE games only. I will bump this every fucking day until I get verifiable proof
That is true if you are paying for the meal. :eek: Most places are comping half the meals so they bump up the price and are able to write it off as higher amount. Doesn't really add to the bottom, line, just an accounting trick. :rolleyes: So what YOU gotta do is be in that 50% that are getting comped. Don't you get comps and earn point (probably not much in points) for your sportswagering action?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You have proof that Rob stole the double up claim from a news story? I put up a $1000 reward on that. Put up the proof and the 1K is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Just stop it! There is no proof available that will satisfy you. The closest thing would be a casinos internal documents and records on a player showing lifetime win. No one can get their hands on that. Plus THAT won't even be accurate for any player that 1.) plays some sessions unrated and 2.) ratholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenKinG
The second best, and probably most accuarte record is each players individual records, but you won't accept that. So just stop. you are asking for something that no player can provide if they even wanted to and really, who wants to prove anything to YOU.
No I don't. It is a fair point you make, BUT the claim is just so extrordinary, such a claim almost demands proof. It is far different than anyone saying I made this or that on this play or even I made this amount doing this (+EV thing) this year. And that is exactly why not one, both both forum owners/administrators, Shackleford and Dan Druff, both asked Rob for some kind of proof. I mean who else has Shackleford or Dan Druff asked proof of. This was just so extrordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou have proof that Rob stole the double up claim from a news story? I put up a $1000 reward on that. Put up the proof and the 1K is yours.Quote:
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Given your obvious mental illness I suspect you will in fact continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenKinG
Good; at least your manic keyboarding helps keep you from shooting up casinos.
You really should pull the plug on making it as a card counter on Las Vegas strip casinos; go home to the folks, pull up the covers and dream of what might have been ...
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Originally Posted by kewlJThat is true if you are paying for the meal. :eek: Most places are comping half the meals so they bump up the price and are able to write it off as higher amount. Doesn't really add to the bottom, line, just an accounting trick. :rolleyes: So what YOU gotta do is be in that 50% that are getting comped. Don't you get comps and earn point (probably not much in points) for your sportswagering action?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
At one time, when I started, sports books comped real well. A dollar bet on sports got you as much as a dollar bet in the race books. The best at the time was Circus-Circus, believe it or not, where I think it was $125, and then later $200 bet, got you a dollar in comps. Pretty soon, the best you could get was roughly $400 bet got you a dollar in comps, at Westgate and another place or two. By the time I finished, and why I started playing some video poker in the first place, many places had squeezed off sports betting as something that should be comped. The Wynn wanted 20K in action to give you lunch that day.
And this doesn't even address that, initially, you could get discretionary comps. Sports book knew you, you'd just ask, no formal process needed for breakfast or lunch. Today, if you ask for a discretionary comp, they look at you as if you asked for a kidney.
However, now that sports betting has become multi-state for some of the big corps, there are some comp comebacks available for sports. I mentioned this in a comment to a Jean Scott blog. I'll keep that under my hat until next year, but some comp things got easier.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou have proof that Rob stole the double up claim from a news story? I put up a $1000 reward on that. Put up the proof and the 1K is yours.Quote:
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I offered up 1000's for simple photos in the Newell. Crickets
I don't know. I did say basically the same thing a week ago or whenever he started these 2 threads (this latest go around). But in reality, he has done ok, not spectacular, not GOAT, but ok. His first 3 years he simply didn't play enough. I don't know if he didn't realize card counting at this level is a grind type thing requiring lots of play, or if he got frustrated after losing sessions / periods and took a break or what, but he clearly wasn't playing enough to earn decent money.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I cut him some lack because in addition to starting his card counting "career", he relocated 2500 miles away from friends and family, apparently the first time on his own at age 30. While that seems late to most of us, it is what it is. He was dealing with being on his own at the same time as trying to make a living card counting. We can make fun of it, but it IS an additional obstacle.
So it seems he learned and realized he had to play more and at some time in the last year or year and a half has done that and started earning more, building his bankroll and building savings. So that is all good.
The only problems are and they are 2 big ones, is he takes everything personally, every losing session, every losing hand it seems. If you are playing with any kind of decent spread (between your minimum wager and max wager) and he is, then you are going to encounter huge variance at times, huge losses. You simply can not take that personally, think that casino is cheating or out to get you. You just keep playing. It is a war you are trying to win, not every single battle. Or football terms: You are trying to win the game, but you are not going to keep the opponent from ever gatting a first down or even scoring. That is just not the way it works. BIG PICTURE. all the time think: BIG PICTURE (or longrun).
So those are the two issues. It seems to me he should be able to handle them by now, to have moved past this point, but maybe everyone is different. Hopefully some day soon, it will just click and he will start thinking BIG PICTURE and long run and stop worrying about every set back.
I haven't put much thought into how it could be structured (I edited your spelling)and since I'm not an attorney so it would take a fair amount of research, and all for nothing.... since there is zero chance Rob would be willing to put up that kind of money if he thought you were confident you would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJIf there is please tell me because I would like to do it. I am going by what an attorney "friend" who took the time to contact me, because he was concerned said, and he said it would be illegal which guarantees, I would not get paid. So if you know a way it can be structured differently so that it is legal and guarantees I will get paid. please tell me and I will see what the attorney thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If You guys were both serious enough about this you would find a way to get it done. I'm sure someone like Dan would be willing to arbitrate and hold the money.
OFC there is always a chance somthing could happen to Dan leaving the money in limbo so you would have to designate an alternate person who u guys trusted that also has access. Actully, I would make it so both of them had to come to the same conclusion. I would also suggest using a stable crypto coin where both of them have access to the private keys.
FYI, I apologize for getting snarky, lack of sleep put me in a mood.
This is all I have gotten to so far, but JUST WAIT A MINUTE!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I am admittedly horrible with spelling and grammer. I would say the second worst I have seen. :rolleyes: Do you get my drift here???? YOU corrected my spelling??? and are pointing it out?? You must have some big gonads.
I annihilate both of you guys in spelling/grammar/structure. Kew has everyone beat for marathon posts, decimating the previous champ Mission. Even with my horrible writing skills, I make the effort to not be a one line warrior like a few hardcores around here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThis is all I have gotten to so far, but JUST WAIT A MINUTE!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I am admittedly horrible with spelling and grammer. I would say the second worst I have seen. :rolleyes: Do you get my drift here???? YOU corrected my spelling??? and are pointing it out?? You must have some big gonads.
Bump. This thread is being bumped until I get someone with verifiable proof that is up on the main floor shoe games with a decent sample size at Caesars Palace LV/AC, Planet Hollywood, Mandalay Bay, San Manuel, Harrah's PA or any Harrah's in general, and all of Southern California shoe games. SHOE games only. I will bump this every fucking day until I get verifiable proof