The anti Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Good call MisterV.

Look everyone. The person that posts as Rob Singer is an internet troll. He is a degenerate losing gambler. He has trolled the gambling and AP community for going on two decades now, simply because he could not be a winner player as he wanted. His troll consists of claims of huge gambling wins that can't be (because he is doing nothing to make his play +EV), along with silly claims of expensive assets, RV's, homes, a safe full of money that aren't real or aren't his.

He gets a thrill out of wasting people's time. Most recently he proved this with both the MaxPen and Dan Druff meetups that he proposed and didn't show. There is no longer any reason to even discuss this person at this forum anymore. And anyone saying otherwise or defending him (mickeycrimm) is someone that has just decided to be part of Singer's long running troll. Period! End of story!

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No, it's not the end of the story. You are over at Gambling Forums hanging on Rob's every post and responding to them. Hypocrite.

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Hardly, Mickeycrimm. I haven't posted at GF in 3 weeks now. Rob is seeking a new audience to sell his BS claims to at GF's. I don't think he will find much of one there. But when he starts spouting off his alternative reality about how Dan Druff didn't show up and Maxpen didn't show up, I am going to correct the record and try to remind him of how things played out in the real world.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

No, it's not the end of the story. You are over at Gambling Forums hanging on Rob's every post and responding to them. Hypocrite.

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Bullshit.

It's the end of the possibility that he and I will meet at the Oregon coast.

What part of that don't you understand?

Why are you braying that my blowiing him off is "not the end of the story?"

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LOL. My comment was made to KJ. Smoke another joint.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

No, it's not the end of the story. You are over at Gambling Forums hanging on Rob's every post and responding to them. Hypocrite.

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Hardly, Mickeycrimm. I haven't posted at GF in 3 weeks now. Rob is seeking a new audience to sell his BS claims to at GF's. I don't think he will find much of one there. But when he starts spouting off his alternative reality about how Dan Druff didn't show up and Maxpen didn't show up, I am going to correct the record and try to remind him of how things played out in the real world.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Same can be said with your complete absence from Chrissy Mitchell thread. I don't think you even have one post in that near 1 million views thread. By the way Mickey, you often make the mistake of giving a green rep instead of red( Sloppy Soy in particular) before him Sobchak. I'm going to guesstimate you've done it 30-40 times since you joined.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

No, it's not the end of the story. You are over at Gambling Forums hanging on Rob's every post and responding to them. Hypocrite.

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Hardly, Mickeycrimm. I haven't posted at GF in 3 weeks now. Rob is seeking a new audience to sell his BS claims to at GF's. I don't think he will find much of one there. But when he starts spouting off his alternative reality about how Dan Druff didn't show up and Maxpen didn't show up, I am going to correct the record and try to remind him of how things played out in the real world.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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This is one of mickey crimm's more ridiculous arguments. I'll be devoting a couple of blog entries to explaining why mickey's perspective is both self-serving and flat out dumb in obvious ways. The cliff notes version goes a little like this:

1) Debunkers have limited time and energy, so debunking should be aimed at that which they know a bit about. That would include, in gambling, both the subject matter and the individual(s) being debunked.
2) Debunkers have limited time and energy, so debunking should be aimed at topics that are more likely (in the debunker's view) to fool a general or civilian audience. If someone says invisible dragons tell them what to bet on roulette, versus someone claiming a progressive martingale with special plays, the time and energy is best devoted to the martingale and special plays.
3) I repeat, you stay in your lane. If you know nothing about roulette, you don't challenge someone who is challenging the "math of roulette." If you don't play roulette, and you have no practical hands-on experience, a debunker can do more harm than good because he or she can make errors due to no experience with the subject.

Mickey is basically arguing that everyone should have unlimited energy to devote to debunking and everyone should have unlimited expertise, so it is indicative of boas when a debunker sticks to particular plays and people as debunking subjects. That argument is prima facie ridiculous.

I'm halfway not surprised mickey crimm would make this argument, but it does suggest he considers himself a jack of all trades master, which is very, very debatable in its own right.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Hardly, Mickeycrimm. I haven't posted at GF in 3 weeks now. Rob is seeking a new audience to sell his BS claims to at GF's. I don't think he will find much of one there. But when he starts spouting off his alternative reality about how Dan Druff didn't show up and Maxpen didn't show up, I am going to correct the record and try to remind him of how things played out in the real world.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Same can be said with your complete absence from Chrissy Mitchell thread. I don't think you even have one post in that near 1 million views thread. By the way Mickey, you often make the mistake of giving a green rep instead of red( Sloppy Soy in particular) before him Sobchak. I'm going to guesstimate you've done it 30-40 times since you joined.

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Not a mistake. Druff has me limited to two negative reps a day. Not fair at all when you consider how many of them dumb fucks gang up on me. I go with the green rep just so I can put a derogatory comment in their post---like they do me. That rep shit don't mean anything anyway.

Mitchell has a gillion fucks harassing his ass on PFA. I'm not needed. I've harangued Spike on GF but hardly anyone else has. More people need to. KJ won't put in an appearance there. He's a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by redietz

This is one of mickey crimm's more ridiculous arguments. I'll be devoting a couple of blog entries to explaining why mickey's perspective is both self-serving and flat out dumb in obvious ways. The cliff notes version goes a little like this:

1) Debunkers have limited time and energy, so debunking should be aimed at that which they know a bit about. That would include, in gambling, both the subject matter and the individual(s) being debunked.
2) Debunkers have limited time and energy, so debunking should be aimed at topics that are more likely (in the debunker's view) to fool a general or civilian audience. If someone says invisible dragons tell them what to bet on roulette, versus someone claiming a progressive martingale with special plays, the time and energy is best devoted to the martingale and special plays.
3) I repeat, you stay in your lane. If you know nothing about roulette, you don't challenge someone who is challenging the "math of roulette." If you don't play roulette, and you have no practical hands-on experience, a debunker can do more harm than good because he or she can make errors due to no experience with the subject.

Mickey is basically arguing that everyone should have unlimited energy to devote to debunking and everyone should have unlimited expertise, so it is indicative of boas when a debunker sticks to particular plays and people as debunking subjects. That argument is prima facie ridiculous.

I'm halfway not surprised mickey crimm would make this argument, but it does suggest he considers himself a jack of all trades master, which is very, very debatable in its own right.

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What fucking expertise in Roulette? There isn't any. A 3rd grader can do the math.You bet a number on a double zero wheel the chance is 1 in 38 but you only get paid 36 for 1, 5.26% house edge. Single zero it's 1 in 37, same payoff, 2.63% house edge.

If you and KJ can't do that easy math then neither of you should be in gambling.

IT DON'T TAKE NO FUCKING EXPERT TO DEBUNK ROULETTE.

PS: You, KJ, and maxpigpen have devoted thousands of hours to trying to debunk Rob Singer. Shut the fuck up about people don't have time.

Mickey presumes nobody falls for roulette's versions of "special plays" or martingales. Interesting assumptions on his part. He also presumes nobody resorts to faulty explanations of biased wheels or operator biases or operator collusion with certain players. More interesting assumptions.

Mickey presumes he's a roulette expert. He presumes many things that aren't correct.

Mickey, your arguments are all self-serving and generally quite faulty on even a cursory examination. It does not speak well for your mental acuity.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey presumes nobody falls for roulette's versions of "special plays" or martingales. Interesting assumptions on his part. He also presumes nobody resorts to faulty explanations of biased wheels or operator biases or operator collusion with certain players. More interesting assumptions.

Mickey presumes he's a roulette expert. He presumes many things that aren't correct.

Mickey, your arguments are all self-serving and generally quite faulty on even a cursory examination. It does not speak well for your mental acuity.

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I just told you it don't take an expert to debunk roulette. What part of that statement did you not comprehend, Dumb Bob Dietz?

If you are going to back up your words then shut the fuck up about video poker, of which, you know nothing.

You said roulette, not martingales, not cheating. You're playing games but you can't win. Stupid can't be fixed, Dumb Bob Dietz.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey presumes nobody falls for roulette's versions of "special plays" or martingales. Interesting assumptions on his part. He also presumes nobody resorts to faulty explanations of biased wheels or operator biases or operator collusion with certain players. More interesting assumptions.

Mickey presumes he's a roulette expert. He presumes many things that aren't correct.

Mickey, your arguments are all self-serving and generally quite faulty on even a cursory examination. It does not speak well for your mental acuity.

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I just told you it don't take an expert to debunk roulette. What part of that statement did you not comprehend, Dumb Bob Dietz?

If you are going to back up your words then shut the fuck up about video poker, of which, you know nothing.

You said roulette, not martingales, not cheating. You're playing games but you can't win. Stupid can't be fixed, Dumb Bob Dietz.

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Mickey, you're having acuity issues. I'm referring to the application of martingale and "special play" principles to roulette. People do it. People apply their own alleged special plays and martingale principles to roulette all the time.

Again, you're having problems. I'm not going to argue with someone having serious acuity problems. You should probably hire somebody to edit your posts. You're clearly struggling. Instead of appreciating the fact that I'm pointing out your slips, you're just getting angrier and more obviously wrong. That's how these things usually progress.

Let me give you a quick example of your faulty reasoning. You say, "You said roulette, not martingales, not cheating." Martingales can clearly be applied to roulette. In what universe can they NOT be applied to roulette?

Get yourself an editor, my friend.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Very simple reason: I don't play roulette. I don't believe I have ever placed a single wager on roulette. So why would I have any comment about roulette? Similarly, I don't play, nor have never even bet a single bet on craps, so you don't see me commenting on Craps or the many dice control discussions.

It so happens that GF unlike here or WoV breaks its gambling topics into different sub sections for each game. So I don't even read the sections for games I don't play or know.

What a strange argument you are making Crimm, that because I have called out Singer's BS, as you did for over a decade, that I should be running around to every forum, calling out everyone. :confused: Mickey, I take you at your word that you no longer drink. But maybe you should take it up again. You made a hell of a lot more sense when you were drinking than you do these days. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey presumes nobody falls for roulette's versions of "special plays" or martingales. Interesting assumptions on his part. He also presumes nobody resorts to faulty explanations of biased wheels or operator biases or operator collusion with certain players. More interesting assumptions.

Mickey presumes he's a roulette expert. He presumes many things that aren't correct.

Mickey, your arguments are all self-serving and generally quite faulty on even a cursory examination. It does not speak well for your mental acuity.

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I just told you it don't take an expert to debunk roulette. What part of that statement did you not comprehend, Dumb Bob Dietz?

If you are going to back up your words then shut the fuck up about video poker, of which, you know nothing.

You said roulette, not martingales, not cheating. You're playing games but you can't win. Stupid can't be fixed, Dumb Bob Dietz.

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Mickey, you're having acuity issues. I'm referring to the application of martingale and "special play" principles to roulette. People do it. People apply their own alleged special plays and martingale principles to roulette all the time.

Again, you're having problems. I'm not going to argue with someone having serious acuity problems. You should probably hire somebody to edit your posts. You're clearly struggling. Instead of appreciating the fact that I'm pointing out your slips, you're just getting angrier and more obviously wrong. That's how these things usually progress.

Let me give you a quick example of your faulty reasoning. You say, "You said roulette, not martingales, not cheating." Martingales can clearly be applied to roulette. In what universe can they NOT be applied to roulette?

Get yourself an editor, my friend.

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Ditz, I know I piss you off but you really need to quit clutching at straws to put me down. You are embarrassing yourself. It's a given that "Special plays" and martingaling hold no water. Those subjects have been beaten to death, not worth talking about anymore. WTF? That shit was debunked back when Millard Fillmore was President.

But Ditz, if you want to give the world a dissertation on special plays and martingaling, go right ahead. I won't be reading that shit though. It's a fucking waste of time to somebody that already knows all that shit.

And pissed off? Getting angrier and angrier? Dude....I can't quit laughing at your ignorant ass trying to appear erudite. You fail miserably and its funnier than shit

Mickey's posts don't even make internal sense any more. For example, he's arguing that I should be debunking roulette, but he says the math is so simplistic that any civilian should know that you can't beat roulette. Well, that makes no sense. Why debunk something everyone (according to mickey) should know cannot be beaten?

Mickey argues that I should be debunking roulette because people post about it despite the fact that (outside of coupon use) I have never played roulette. I know nothing about the history of biased wheels or how to spot one. I know nothing about operator collusion or effects. I don't even know the jargon for what numbers are referred to in groups and such. I don't know the posters who are arguing that they can beat roulette. I don't know their history. I don't know their arguments or their counter arguments. But in mickey's mind, I should be debunking roulette.

Mickey has issues. There's no point in engaging him.

Now since you brought up GF mickeycrimm, this morning after again reading Singer's alternative reality account of how Dan Druff and Maxpen refused to meet him :D, I see where Singer is now offering MrV, a stack of crisp 100's bills ($10,000) to meet him. THAT should entice MrV! I mean who couldn't use a stack of play money, or movie money? And considering you can buy 10 stacks at Amazon for $10, $15 bucks, he is offering a value of about a dollar fifty to meet him, and even THAT is way overpriced. ;)

I don't understand mickey's issues with me. I offered to do a video about Singer winning the 1.5 million. I was even willing to do the video and pay the videographer while operating under the premise that Singer won the money. The conditions I set from the beginning were that I had to interview two of Singer's relatives for the video, and I needed to clear that with them and confirm that in advance while providing a (partial) list of questions I would ask them during the interviews. Those questions would include things like,

"How did Rob break the news about the win?"
"Did the big win change your plans for the summer?"
"What will you spend the money on?"
"Did you hire a financial advisor after the big win or do you have one familiar with big gambling wins?"

Doing a few family questions would be standard procedure for any "big win" interview. Any editor would recommend them. Plus it's standard procedure to break up an interview with just one or two talking heads with other people.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey's posts don't even make internal sense any more. For example, he's arguing that I should be debunking roulette, but he says the math is so simplistic that any civilian should know that you can't beat roulette. Well, that makes no sense. Why debunk something everyone (according to mickey) should know cannot be beaten?

Mickey argues that I should be debunking roulette because people post about it despite the fact that (outside of coupon use) I have never played roulette. I know nothing about the history of biased wheels or how to spot one. I know nothing about operator collusion or effects. I don't even know the jargon for what numbers are referred to in groups and such. I don't know the posters who are arguing that they can beat roulette. I don't know their history. I don't know their arguments or their counter arguments. But in mickey's mind, I should be debunking roulette.

Mickey has issues. There's no point in engaging him.

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Once again Ditz embarrasses himself. Dude just can't let it go. And he's having delusions. I never said he should be debunking roulette. He clearly doesn't have the intelligence. But he likes to pass himself off as educated on any subject.

You see, his 3rd cousin's uncle by marriage knew a guy that had an aunt whose brother-in-law was married to someone that knows all about that shit. If someone else is an expert on something that means Ditz is too. He's an expert because of obscure association with the real experts.

Oh wow, I said a few minutes ago that I don't think I ever placed a wager at roulette. Redietz mentioning "coupon use" reminds me that I have. One summer about 8, 9 years ago, Palms sent out coupon books in the mail which contained 4 match play coupons, 2 for blackjack only and 2 for roulette only. I collected about 100 of these books and started or ended (sometimes both) every day with a visit to Palms which was close to where I lived at the time, where I played one session of blackjack using a coupon, and one single spin of roulette, daily.

The other interesting thing is that mickey says Singer's special plays and progressive wagering theories have long ago been debunked. But the funny thing is someone posting at WoV recently started a thread about winning video poker play using "special plays" (meaning less optimal) to target quads instead of royals and increasing wagers after so many rounds played several times (multi level progression system). This person even went as far as to praise Singer. :rolleyes: :D

So while most of us believe this is yet another Singer sock puppet, if it isn't (highly unlikely) then there is another moron buying into Singer's nonsense that mickey says was debunked during the Fillmore era. Either way, Singer will never let this die as long as he is alive. He keeps reappearing and pushing the same BS. That is why it is important to have some pushback from at least a couple members, particularly a couple players recognized as real players.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Now since you brought up GF mickeycrimm, this morning after again reading Singer's alternative reality account of how Dan Druff and Maxpen refused to meet him :D, I see where Singer is now offering MrV, a stack of crisp 100's bills ($10,000) to meet him. THAT should entice MrV! I mean who couldn't use a stack of play money, or movie money? And considering you can buy 10 stacks at Amazon for $10, $15 bucks, he is offering a value of about a dollar fifty to meet him, and even THAT is way overpriced. ;)

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Funnier than shit how you guys didn't even know prop cash existed until Boz posted about it. Then you idiots became overnight experts on prop cash. Well, Ditz is the real expert on it because his great uncle's third wife had a first husband whose 2nd cousin had a brother-in-law that knew all about it.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I don't understand mickey's issues with me. I offered to do a video about Singer winning the 1.5 million. I was even willing to do the video and pay the videographer while operating under the premise that Singer won the money. The conditions I set from the beginning were that I had to interview two of Singer's relatives for the video, and I needed to clear that with them and confirm that in advance while providing a (partial) list of questions I would ask them during the interviews. Those questions would include things like,

"How did Rob break the news about the win?"
"Did the big win change your plans for the summer?"
"What will you spend the money on?"
"Did you hire a financial advisor after the big win or do you have one familiar with big gambling wins?"

Doing a few family questions would be standard procedure for any "big win" interview. Any editor would recommend them. Plus it's standard procedure to break up an interview with just one or two talking heads with other people.

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Take your own advice. You don't know anything about video poker so give it up.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Now since you brought up GF mickeycrimm, this morning after again reading Singer's alternative reality account of how Dan Druff and Maxpen refused to meet him :D, I see where Singer is now offering MrV, a stack of crisp 100's bills ($10,000) to meet him. THAT should entice MrV! I mean who couldn't use a stack of play money, or movie money? And considering you can buy 10 stacks at Amazon for $10, $15 bucks, he is offering a value of about a dollar fifty to meet him, and even THAT is way overpriced. ;)

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Funnier than shit how you guys didn't even know prop cash existed until Boz posted about it. Then you idiots became overnight experts on prop cash.

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I am not going to speak for anyone else, but you are absolutely correct with that assumption about me. I had no idea prop or fake money could be purchased like that. I had and still have absolutely no reason to care about such a thing.

Since you are defending Singer by attacking those that called him out, would you like to take this opportunity to go on record that you believe Singer's photo of "prop" money was real? Let's see just how far you are willing to go Crimm. :cool:

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Originally Posted by redietz

Mickey's posts don't even make internal sense any more. For example, he's arguing that I should be debunking roulette, but he says the math is so simplistic that any civilian should know that you can't beat roulette. Well, that makes no sense. Why debunk something everyone (according to mickey) should know cannot be beaten?

Mickey argues that I should be debunking roulette because people post about it despite the fact that (outside of coupon use) I have never played roulette. I know nothing about the history of biased wheels or how to spot one. I know nothing about operator collusion or effects. I don't even know the jargon for what numbers are referred to in groups and such. I don't know the posters who are arguing that they can beat roulette. I don't know their history. I don't know their arguments or their counter arguments. But in mickey's mind, I should be debunking roulette.

Mickey has issues. There's no point in engaging him.

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Mickey has gone full tard. He's now a legitimate laughing stock. If I had a hundo for every person that has brought up his stupidity to me in person I could buy a decent car with it. He has completely embarrassed himself in the process of performing his man servant duties to Singer.

Look Crimm, my ONLY issue with you is your defending Singer and now ALL his positions, that you KNOW are BS, because you, yourself spent over a decade debunking and arguing against these very same voodoo BS claims.

It started with you saying you believed the double up bug claim because Singer knew the sequence in the article was intentionally incorrect (probably at the insistence of the machine maker). Singer "said" he knows the correct sequence. First has it been proven that the sequence he claims is correct? I have seen no proof of that. But even if it is correct, as I have said before there are many ways for someone to have come into this info, now almost a decade after the fact. Knowing that sequence now, 10-15 years later in no way proves that he knew it and played the double up bug back then.

But so be all that. You believe (or claim to) him in regards to the double up bug. You are NOW defending him, in regard to all his claims, by attacking those that continue to point out that the math doesn't work. These are the very same challenges you made of him for decades, so I know you don't really believe what you are defending. You are just being a dick!

And the worse part is you are using Singer's playbook. When the math and reality is against you as it is now that you are defending Singer, all you can do is attack people on a personal level. And you do that with your homophobic rants. Not just me but at MaxPen and redietz and anyone that points out that the math doesn't work. This is the exact play that Singer himself did for years and now Mdawg and others do. You have joined THAT club, Crimm. You must be very proud.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I've harangued Spike on GF but hardly anyone else has. More people need to.

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Well, I certainly have.

see, e.g.: https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...en-boob.23850/

I don't follow Spike/Evenbob as closely as some of you. This will be a little hard to explain, but what it comes down to for me is that I never felt like Spike/EB actually believes the stuff he writes. I see him as a lonely old man, who lives alone and spends a great deal of time alone, who gets enjoyment out of saying things that will get others riled up and engage with him. I just don't see a lot of harm to anyone, except for wasted time.

Now some of that argument can be applied to Singer. He certainly doesn't believe what he writes, because....well it isn't true. :D And he does enjoy the argument, the attention, just like Spike. But what is different is that Singer, as well as someone like Mdawg, really wants, even needs others to believe their nonsense. So while they don't believe it because they know it is not true, the effort they put in trying to get others to believe is where there can be harm to others and I feel like needs to be called out and debunked.

I mean take Singer. Look at the extent he goes to. Buying "prop cash" to take pictures of. Driving down to the RV dealership pretending to be a customer to take pictures. He took out an ad in the RV trader for an RV that didn't exist, using those pictures from the dealership, that he now admits was not his RV. He had two books published, I believe at a cost to himself. Let's not even get into this latest charade of the picture of the non $1.5 million dollar hit. I mean come on.

THAT is the difference between someone like Spike, who doesn't believe a word he says and is just seeking the attention and someone like Singer (and Mdawg) who also knows what they claim is BS, but wants or has some need for people to believe them.

EB / Spike made his bones (and his enemies) at the now defunct gambling board Gamblers Glen.

Many posters there have followed him around and continue to engage with him in an attempt to cut through his firewall of stupidity.

He's harmless, but so are Rob and douchedawg: just words on a screen.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

He's harmless, but so are Rob and douchedawg: just words on a screen.

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You say they are harmless MrV. I don't agree.

On this forum there was a member name Slingshot, who admits to trying to play Singer's progression system.

At WoV there was that guy (now banned), I forget his handle, who claimed to be a pit boss or something at a Midwest casino that was attempting to play baccarat and emulate Mdawg.

And these are just two that publicly admit it. Who knows how many more have been harmed but never said anything. I remember Moses, made a post at WoV asking if Mdawg could teach him his "system".

Rob published books! He also claims to have privately taught people his strategy, although when pressed, couldn't produce a single "student". But who knows? I think more people than you realize can be hurt by these types of claims. And some of that is on them. If people are so stupid....well.... :rolleyes:. But I do feel like there should at least be some push back from real players and math "people", saying "hey what you are claiming can't be true". That way the gullible people reading at least get that.

Especially at WoV. I mean based on Shacklefords reputation as a legitimate math guy, someone showing up reading Mdawgs BS claims, and seeing no pushback, because Mdawg is protected, and pushback isn't allowed....well it amounts to an endorsement by Wizard himself.

The more of these losers in casinos following what guys like Singer and Dawg do, the better for me!

KJ, that is really no different than playing any system you read about.

They probably lost, but they're playing negative expectation games so that shouldn't be a surprise.

Trying a system and losing is not the type of "hurt" I envisioned when I used the term; I meant painful, damaging results, not just loss of money and time.

Really, these guys were just carnival barkers trying to drum up interest in their two-headed calf.

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He's harmless, but so are Rob and douchedawg: just words on a screen.

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You say they are harmless MrV. I don't agree.

On this forum there was a member name Slingshot, who admits to trying to play Singer's progression system.

At WoV there was that guy (now banned), I forget his handle, who claimed to be a pit boss or something at a Midwest casino that was attempting to play baccarat and emulate Mdawg.

And these are just two that publicly admit it. Who knows how many more have been harmed but never said anything. I remember Moses, made a post at WoV asking if Mdawg could teach him his "system".

Rob published books! He also claims to have privately taught people his strategy, although when pressed, couldn't produce a single "student". But who knows? I think more people than you realize can be hurt by these types of claims. And some of that is on them. If people are so stupid....well.... :rolleyes:. But I do feel like there should at least be some push back from real players and math "people", saying "hey what you are claiming can't be true". That way the gullible people reading at least get that.

Especially at WoV. I mean based on Shacklefords reputation as a legitimate math guy, someone showing up reading Mdawgs BS claims, and seeing no pushback, because Mdawg is protected, and pushback isn't allowed....well it amounts to an endorsement by Wizard himself.

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Slingshot is/was a low level, recreational gambler (and nice guy) who used a version of Rob’s “system”. Whatever that is. Meaning, he put his own spin on things.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say he was was never “hurt or harmed” no more than anyone else playing negative EV games.
Last I heard from sling, he was defending his presidential pick of Joe Biden. And slingshot is a conservative.
Talk about being harmed.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Very simple reason: I don't play roulette. I don't believe I have ever placed a single wager on roulette. So why would I have any comment about roulette? Similarly, I don't play, nor have never even bet a single bet on craps, so you don't see me commenting on Craps or the many dice control discussions.

It so happens that GF unlike here or WoV breaks its gambling topics into different sub sections for each game. So I don't even read the sections for games I don't play or know.

What a strange argument you are making Crimm, that because I have called out Singer's BS, as you did for over a decade, that I should be running around to every forum, calling out everyone. :confused: Mickey, I take you at your word that you no longer drink. But maybe you should take it up again. You made a hell of a lot more sense when you were drinking than you do these days. :rolleyes:

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You don't play baccarat either but that didn't stop you from going after MDawg.

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Look Crimm, my ONLY issue with you is your defending Singer and now ALL his positions, that you KNOW are BS, because you, yourself spent over a decade debunking and arguing against these very same voodoo BS claims.

It started with you saying you believed the double up bug claim because Singer knew the sequence in the article was intentionally incorrect (probably at the insistence of the machine maker). Singer "said" he knows the correct sequence. First has it been proven that the sequence he claims is correct? I have seen no proof of that. But even if it is correct, as I have said before there are many ways for someone to have come into this info, now almost a decade after the fact. Knowing that sequence now, 10-15 years later in no way proves that he knew it and played the double up bug back then.

But so be all that. You believe (or claim to) him in regards to the double up bug. You are NOW defending him, in regard to all his claims, by attacking those that continue to point out that the math doesn't work. These are the very same challenges you made of him for decades, so I know you don't really believe what you are defending. You are just being a dick!

And the worse part is you are using Singer's playbook. When the math and reality is against you as it is now that you are defending Singer, all you can do is attack people on a personal level. And you do that with your homophobic rants. Not just me but at MaxPen and redietz and anyone that points out that the math doesn't work. This is the exact play that Singer himself did for years and now Mdawg and others do. You have joined THAT club, Crimm. You must be very proud.

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I've never defended Singer. I simply point out your grasping at straws logic. And call you out on your lies. You have one long fucking nose....and it keeps getting longer. I've never said I "believe" Singer worked the double up bug. I said it was likely. Thats a long way from saying "I believe." You always change what people say to fit your narrative. Cease and desist. I wasn't there. How could I know for sure? But more to the point, how the fuck could YOU know for sure?

That's your problem, KJocchio. While everyone else doesn't know for sure....YOU.KNOW.FOR.SURE.

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You don't play baccarat either but that didn't stop you from going after MDawg.

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Ok, I don't know if you read the Mdawg claims or not, but roughly a third of his claims have been about blackjack play and over the last 8 months, over 50%...more blackjack play than baccarat. His claims of his blackjack play are absolutely ridiculous, as he claims to play almost exclusively at the sweatiest Las Vegas Casino, Cosmopolitan, which uses the most up to date technology and is the probably the biggest single contributor to the databases. he claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing the high limit room, where all eyes are on him, and they simply look the other way and pat him on the back.

But even before he expanded into the blackjack arena, my "going after him" wasn't specifically about any claims of his baccarat play. It was in regard to all his winning, a solid years worth of winning almost every day, while being comped luxurious suites, meals and other perks for a solid year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California). I don't care what game you are playing; they don't allow you to win every single day, hundreds of thousands of dollars, or close to a million this last trip AND comp you suites for a solid year on top of it. That simply is NOT the way Las Vegas works mickeycrimm and you know it.

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I've never defended Singer. I simply point out your grasping at straws logic. And call you out on your lies. You have one long fucking nose....and it keeps getting longer. I've never said I "believe" Singer worked the double up bug. I said it was likely. Thats a long way from saying "I believe." You always change what people say to fit your narrative. Cease and desist. I wasn't there. How could I know for sure? But more to the point, how the fuck could YOU know for sure?

That's your problem, KJocchio. While everyone else doesn't know for sure....YOU.KNOW.FOR.SURE.

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Ok, lets just cut to the chase. Time for you to go on the record. Do you believe Singer won nearly 3 million playing the double up bug? And why we are at it, I will circle back to the question I asked this morning that you conveniently ignored. Do you believe the cash in Singer's pictures is real?

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You don't play baccarat either but that didn't stop you from going after MDawg.

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Ok, I don't know if you read the Mdawg claims or not, but roughly a third of his claims have been about blackjack play and over the last 8 months, over 50%...more blackjack play than baccarat. His claims of his blackjack play are absolutely ridiculous, as he claims to play almost exclusively at the sweatiest Las Vegas Casino, Cosmopolitan, which uses the most up to date technology and is the probably the biggest single contributor to the databases. he claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing the high limit room, where all eyes are on him, and they simply look the other way and pat him on the back.

But even before he expanded into the blackjack arena, my "going after him" wasn't specifically about any claims of his baccarat play. It was in regard to all his winning, a solid years worth of winning almost every day, while being comped luxurious suites, meals and other perks for a solid year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California). I don't care what game you are playing; they don't allow you to win every single day, hundreds of thousands of dollars, or close to a million this last trip AND comp you suites for a solid year on top of it. That simply is NOT the way Las Vegas works mickeycrimm and you know it.

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I've never defended Singer. I simply point out your grasping at straws logic. And call you out on your lies. You have one long fucking nose....and it keeps getting longer. I've never said I "believe" Singer worked the double up bug. I said it was likely. Thats a long way from saying "I believe." You always change what people say to fit your narrative. Cease and desist. I wasn't there. How could I know for sure? But more to the point, how the fuck could YOU know for sure?

That's your problem, KJocchio. While everyone else doesn't know for sure....YOU.KNOW.FOR.SURE.

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Ok, lets just cut to the chase. Time for you to go on the record. Do you believe Singer won nearly 3 million playing the double up bug? And why we are at it, I will circle back to the question I asked this morning that you conveniently ignored. Do you believe the cash in Singer's pictures is real?

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Mickey "has no reason to disbelieve him." There's a quote for the ages.

I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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Rob broke Mickey's ass down and made him his bitch....RIP

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You don't play baccarat either but that didn't stop you from going after MDawg.

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Ok, I don't know if you read the Mdawg claims or not, but roughly a third of his claims have been about blackjack play and over the last 8 months, over 50%...more blackjack play than baccarat. His claims of his blackjack play are absolutely ridiculous, as he claims to play almost exclusively at the sweatiest Las Vegas Casino, Cosmopolitan, which uses the most up to date technology and is the probably the biggest single contributor to the databases. he claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing the high limit room, where all eyes are on him, and they simply look the other way and pat him on the back.

But even before he expanded into the blackjack arena, my "going after him" wasn't specifically about any claims of his baccarat play. It was in regard to all his winning, a solid years worth of winning almost every day, while being comped luxurious suites, meals and other perks for a solid year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California). I don't care what game you are playing; they don't allow you to win every single day, hundreds of thousands of dollars, or close to a million this last trip AND comp you suites for a solid year on top of it. That simply is NOT the way Las Vegas works mickeycrimm and you know it.

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I've never defended Singer. I simply point out your grasping at straws logic. And call you out on your lies. You have one long fucking nose....and it keeps getting longer. I've never said I "believe" Singer worked the double up bug. I said it was likely. Thats a long way from saying "I believe." You always change what people say to fit your narrative. Cease and desist. I wasn't there. How could I know for sure? But more to the point, how the fuck could YOU know for sure?

That's your problem, KJocchio. While everyone else doesn't know for sure....YOU.KNOW.FOR.SURE.

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Ok, lets just cut to the chase. Time for you to go on the record. Do you believe Singer won nearly 3 million playing the double up bug? And why we are at it, I will circle back to the question I asked this morning that you conveniently ignored. Do you believe the cash in Singer's pictures is real?

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Unlike YOU, I don't know if Singer won 3 mil or not. I wasn't there. And unlike YOU I don't know if the money in the pic is real or not. I have better things to do than try to examine a fucking picture to determine if the money in it is real or not.
You, maxiepad and redietz didn't know what the fuck prop cash was until Boz revealed it. Then you three started posting about prop cash like you were long term experts on it. Fuck off.

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I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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No. Rob made YOU his bitch. Along with KJocchio and the Ditz. All three of you are Rob's bitches. When he says SHIT!!! all three of you guys start squatting.

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Ok, I don't know if you read the Mdawg claims or not, but roughly a third of his claims have been about blackjack play and over the last 8 months, over 50%...more blackjack play than baccarat. His claims of his blackjack play are absolutely ridiculous, as he claims to play almost exclusively at the sweatiest Las Vegas Casino, Cosmopolitan, which uses the most up to date technology and is the probably the biggest single contributor to the databases. he claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing the high limit room, where all eyes are on him, and they simply look the other way and pat him on the back.

But even before he expanded into the blackjack arena, my "going after him" wasn't specifically about any claims of his baccarat play. It was in regard to all his winning, a solid years worth of winning almost every day, while being comped luxurious suites, meals and other perks for a solid year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California). I don't care what game you are playing; they don't allow you to win every single day, hundreds of thousands of dollars, or close to a million this last trip AND comp you suites for a solid year on top of it. That simply is NOT the way Las Vegas works mickeycrimm and you know it.

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I've never defended Singer. I simply point out your grasping at straws logic. And call you out on your lies. You have one long fucking nose....and it keeps getting longer. I've never said I "believe" Singer worked the double up bug. I said it was likely. Thats a long way from saying "I believe." You always change what people say to fit your narrative. Cease and desist. I wasn't there. How could I know for sure? But more to the point, how the fuck could YOU know for sure?

That's your problem, KJocchio. While everyone else doesn't know for sure....YOU.KNOW.FOR.SURE.

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Ok, lets just cut to the chase. Time for you to go on the record. Do you believe Singer won nearly 3 million playing the double up bug? And why we are at it, I will circle back to the question I asked this morning that you conveniently ignored. Do you believe the cash in Singer's pictures is real?

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Unlike YOU, I don't know if Singer won 3 mil or not. I wasn't there. And unlike YOU I don't know if the money in the pic is real or not. I have better things to do than try to examine a fucking picture to determine if the money in it is real or not.
You, maxiepad and redietz didn't know what the fuck prop cash was until Boz revealed it. Then you three started posting about prop cash like you were long term experts on it. Fuck off.

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This is what I mean. Mickey makes stuff up. He can't be trusted to report the truth.

I didn't have much of anything to say about the prop cash. I'm no expert. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert.

Obviously, some people, including some of my filmmaker friends, know quite a bit about it. A good friend was housemate with the prop guy for a bunch of TV shows, including Bay City Blues. That guy's father had been prop manager for the Andy Griffith Show. I don't know anything about props, but it's easy enough to ask around. Since Rob was kind enough to use really cheap prop cash, there wasn't much doubt that it was prop cash. Rob provided the photo. Not my fault if some idiots assumed it was real cash.

Now mickey, you wouldn't have assumed it was real, right? Your eyes are still working okay, right?

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I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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Let assume for the sake of this argument kewJ in some alternate universe you actually make a living playing blackjack. Who makes a joke about someone having a heart attack? Certainly not a real person. Only a troll of the highest order would do such a thing

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I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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Let assume for the sake of this argument kewJ in some alternate universe you actually make a living playing blackjack. Who makes a joke about someone having a heart attack? Certainly not a real person. Only a troll of the highest order would do such a thing

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This was not meant as a joke at mickey's expense. There has been quite a change in mickeycrimm over the last few years. Included in that is his position and support of Rob Singer, but there are many other things that I am sure people recognize. It is no secret that during a heart attack, one of the big issues is a period of lack of oxygen to the brain, which can cause loss of brain cells. The change in mickey precedes his major heart attack but not by much. It is quite possible, even likely that his major heart attack was not his first. He probably experienced several smaller, less severe building up to the big one.

I honestly am not saying any of this with malice. Despite mickey's recent position regarding me as a foe, I have always liked and admired mickey and his career. We have been on a number of forums together and in fact it was him that suggested I come here when there was a major exodus at GF a few years back. It is just hard to ignore the change that has taken place.

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There has been quite a change in mickeycrimm over the last few years.

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Could be he's just getting old.

Could be a "Hey you kids keep off of my lawn!" kind of thing.

But yeah, I see him turning into a sort of traveling curmudgeon.

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Ok, I don't know if you read the Mdawg claims or not, but roughly a third of his claims have been about blackjack play and over the last 8 months, over 50%...more blackjack play than baccarat. His claims of his blackjack play are absolutely ridiculous, as he claims to play almost exclusively at the sweatiest Las Vegas Casino, Cosmopolitan, which uses the most up to date technology and is the probably the biggest single contributor to the databases. he claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing the high limit room, where all eyes are on him, and they simply look the other way and pat him on the back.

But even before he expanded into the blackjack arena, my "going after him" wasn't specifically about any claims of his baccarat play. It was in regard to all his winning, a solid years worth of winning almost every day, while being comped luxurious suites, meals and other perks for a solid year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California). I don't care what game you are playing; they don't allow you to win every single day, hundreds of thousands of dollars, or close to a million this last trip AND comp you suites for a solid year on top of it. That simply is NOT the way Las Vegas works mickeycrimm and you know it.



Ok, lets just cut to the chase. Time for you to go on the record. Do you believe Singer won nearly 3 million playing the double up bug? And why we are at it, I will circle back to the question I asked this morning that you conveniently ignored. Do you believe the cash in Singer's pictures is real?

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Unlike YOU, I don't know if Singer won 3 mil or not. I wasn't there. And unlike YOU I don't know if the money in the pic is real or not. I have better things to do than try to examine a fucking picture to determine if the money in it is real or not.
You, maxiepad and redietz didn't know what the fuck prop cash was until Boz revealed it. Then you three started posting about prop cash like you were long term experts on it. Fuck off.

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This is what I mean. Mickey makes stuff up. He can't be trusted to report the truth.

I didn't have much of anything to say about the prop cash. I'm no expert. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert.

Obviously, some people, including some of my filmmaker friends, know quite a bit about it. A good friend was housemate with the prop guy for a bunch of TV shows, including Bay City Blues. That guy's father had been prop manager for the Andy Griffith Show. I don't know anything about props, but it's easy enough to ask around. Since Rob was kind enough to use really cheap prop cash, there wasn't much doubt that it was prop cash. Rob provided the photo. Not my fault if some idiots assumed it was real cash.

Now mickey, you wouldn't have assumed it was real, right? Your eyes are still working okay, right?

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You just don't get it you dumb motherfucker. You, KJoccio and mental midget maxie are the ones that spend hundreds of hours staring at the computer screen looking for anything and everything no matter how miniscule to refute Singer. Thats your waste of time. I have better things to do. I don't give a shit one way or the other.

So your Aunt by marriage had a cousin whose ex-wife's uncle knew a man that was expert on prop money? Sounds like a likely story.

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I don't know....when he had his heart attack, did he lose his memory?

He has dealt with Singer as long as anybody and should have every reason not to believe him based on that history.

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Let assume for the sake of this argument kewJ in some alternate universe you actually make a living playing blackjack. Who makes a joke about someone having a heart attack? Certainly not a real person. Only a troll of the highest order would do such a thing

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This was not meant as a joke at mickey's expense. There has been quite a change in mickeycrimm over the last few years. Included in that is his position and support of Rob Singer, but there are many other things that I am sure people recognize. It is no secret that during a heart attack, one of the big issues is a period of lack of oxygen to the brain, which can cause loss of brain cells. The change in mickey precedes his major heart attack but not by much. It is quite possible, even likely that his major heart attack was not his first. He probably experienced several smaller, less severe building up to the big one.

I honestly am not saying any of this with malice. Despite mickey's recent position regarding me as a foe, I have always liked and admired mickey and his career. We have been on a number of forums together and in fact it was him that suggested I come here when there was a major exodus at GF a few years back. It is just hard to ignore the change that has taken place.

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You can't help yourself. You just have to imagine anything and everything you can to refute someone. Can't stick to facts. Have to make shit up.

I've suffered no mental deterioration. But you can go ahead and believe all the dumb ass shit you want. I'm very active. Way more active than you.

All your bullshit about me is nothing more than psychological warfare. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it. Your problem is that, to paraphrase G. Gordon Liddy, in a battle of the wits with me, you little bitch, you are unarmed.

This is not meant as a joke at KJ's expense. There has been quite the change in KJ over the last few years. We all know of his heart problems and his bout with covid. He is bound to have suffered from a lack of oxygen to the brain multiple times, especially with the covid. And that has obviously caused some major mental deterioration as we all have witnessed in his postings. He no longer can remember simple facts and gets confused. I have nothing against KJ but it is hard to ignore the deterioration of his mental faculties.

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This is not meant as a joke at KJ's expense. There has been quite the change in KJ over the last few years. We all know of his heart problems and his bout with covid. He is bound to have suffered from a lack of oxygen to the brain multiple times, especially with the covid. And that has obviously caused some major mental deterioration as we all have witnessed in his postings. He no longer can remember simple facts and gets confused. I have nothing against KJ but it is hard to ignore the deterioration of his mental faculties.

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Just more projection of self onto others by the VCT Man Servant.

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This is not meant as a joke at KJ's expense. There has been quite the change in KJ over the last few years. We all know of his heart problems and his bout with covid. He is bound to have suffered from a lack of oxygen to the brain multiple times, especially with the covid. And that has obviously caused some major mental deterioration as we all have witnessed in his postings. He no longer can remember simple facts and gets confused. I have nothing against KJ but it is hard to ignore the deterioration of his mental faculties.

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Just more projection of self onto others by the VCT Man Servant.

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Just one problem with your synopsis, mental midget max. KJ is the one that came up with this garbage. I was merely mocking him. But it's predictable that, in your severely limited mental state, you would not understand that. Get help.

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This is not meant as a joke at KJ's expense. There has been quite the change in KJ over the last few years. We all know of his heart problems and his bout with covid. He is bound to have suffered from a lack of oxygen to the brain multiple times, especially with the covid. And that has obviously caused some major mental deterioration as we all have witnessed in his postings. He no longer can remember simple facts and gets confused. I have nothing against KJ but it is hard to ignore the deterioration of his mental faculties.

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One piece of hard evidence of KJ's mental deterioration is his aligning himself with the militant homophobe, mental midget max.

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If you are so against guys that defy the math then why haven't you posted even once in the roulette threads at Gambling Forums? Spike/Evenbob claims to beat roulette everyday. Not a peed from you.

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Mickey has had some sort of hard-on wanting me to comment on Spike/EvenBobs roulette claims at GF. As I have said, I don't play roulette, nor read much of that thread and Spikes claims, and from what little I do read, I just don't see Spike's claims as a threat to anyone.

Mickey will be happy to know that Spike addressed me at GF, actually a supportive comment, and even though his comment was in support, I took that opportunity to mention that I don't believe his roulette claims which also defy math.

So you can rest easy now Crimm. :D

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So you can rest easy now Crimm.

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So you can rest easy now Crimm.

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I have no clue what you mean by that, V. What is a restless soul?

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What is a restless soul?

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A person who seems more comfortable traveling regularly as opposed to staying put and being a home body.

I assume you enjoy your lifestyle of seemingly near constant travel from one casino to another, thus the term "restless soul."

see: road runner...

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What is a restless soul?

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A person who seems more comfortable traveling regularly as opposed to staying put and being a home body.

I assume you enjoy your lifestyle of seemingly near constant travel from one casino to another, thus the term "restless soul."

see: road runner...

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I'd go nuts just sitting at home.

https://youtu.be/NkpzyQjpld8