The same 5 people do.Quote:
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The same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Get over it SidQuote:
Originally Posted by SeedvalueQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYes, imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
You already told everyone, you are dishonest, lie and cheat whenever you can, Pudge. No need to prove it by lying. . Because that is not what happened yesterday. In the real word, which I posted about, I made the bet online from my phone. I am sure I pushed the wrong button on a small screen. Big whoop...I made a mistake and shared that experience honestly. Compare that to a guy who makes his public picks and when it loses, says, "Oh I didn't bet it anyway". THAT is Rob Singer type bullshit!
Listen here you BBC loving fraud! Just because you are now dating a black casino security guard doesn’t mean you can start sticking out that bird chest of yours. He won’t be with you 24/7 . In this game the casino will cheat you every chance they get. It’s cheat or be Chested out here. All these guys are Cheating even the sports bettors. Using a beard is cheating in the eyes of the casino. You’re a fraud that sucks off everything you see to get an edge
5 or 6 including yourself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
This place is like a jail break at the insane asylum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Hey but it gets "views". I guess that's what counts now.
I count fence posts and telephone poles when I'm driving. When I was a drinker I counted bottles on the back bar. I decipher statistics in early census records. I count letters in sentences that appear on the TV screen. I'm a counting son of a bitch. And it ain't just gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Man, you have really changed mickeycrimm. You used to care about things like math and real gambling experiences and NOT things like how many views a thread gets.
I rarely read that thread as I forget about it, but since you guys brought it up, I went over there and read the last two or three pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy5 or 6 including yourself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe same 5 people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
And I pretty much only read Rob's replies.
Good Read but just like over here it is the same story over and over again.
I am no better as my posts are guilty of the same old repetition as well.
However, I have no interest in posting over there or at PFA.
Not that anyone cares, just saying.
I also skimmed the VCT thread a bit.
Nice to see MDawg picking up the slack for Tater.
I haven't looked at the WoV Dying thread for over 6 months to a year.
LOL. But it didn't occur to him to tell Rob that a person can count two tables.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI count fence posts and telephone poles when I'm driving. When I was a drinker I counted bottles on the back bar. I decipher statistics in early census records. I count letters in sentences that appear on the TV screen. I'm a counting son of a bitch. And it ain't just gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Man, you have really changed mickeycrimm. You used to care about things like math and real gambling experiences and NOT things like how many views a thread gets.
Here's another thing to do to sharpen the brain and help pass the time, assuming you know how to type / keyboard (obviously you do by now):Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Think of words that are constructed via alternating left, right strokes of your fingers on the keyboard.
For example, "D-O-G-M-A" is one.
I've not done it for awhile and came up with some surprisingly long words.
Todd still does his Poker Fraud Alert show, right?
Here's an obvious idea. What Singer claims to have done gambling-wise as opposed to what some people think he has actually done gambling-wise falls under the heading of fraud. So why not invite Singer onto Poker Fraud Alert and do a live broadcast where he fields adversarial questions?
There's a treasure trove of topics -- hot and cold cycles, telepathy with machines, double up bug execution (where, when, and so on), jackpot hits presented on forums, the 68% ATS for two years in the NFL playing five games a week -- I mean, you could do a month of shows. You couldn't find someone who is seriously on YouTube with the telepathy with machines stuff. You couldn't discover anyone with such a specific claim as 68% ATS in the NFL for two years allegedly posted on LVA forums.
It would be a debunking cornucopia (keeping with the holiday motif).
Of course, Rob likely wouldn't do it, but maybe he'll have some eggnog and agree to it. As the anti-math-ers like to say, anything is possible.
It just occurred to me, make it like a Jerry Springer holiday special. I'm willing to split the cost of a polygraph expert with Todd, if Rob agrees to it. Yes, I know, polygraphs have all kinds of problems, mainly false positives for deceit, but think how great it would be if Rob passed a polygraph for telepathing with machines!
Of course, gotta check his shoes for thumbtacks and all that, but still, what a show it would be.
If somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
See, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIf somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
You're a ditz...irrespective of your real name.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
You addressed me when you joined this discussion.
Shutting you up is splendid.
Redietz, I am disappointed that you have gone back to your old anonymity argument again. Advantage players making money from casinos at any level, cannot post on these forums using their real names. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. We have 2 choices. either don't participate on public forums (as most choose), or participate anonymously. I can understand why those that aren't AP's might have trouble understanding this (as Alan always did), but frankly I would have thought that what I went through this year after being outed/doxed resulting in loss of income, there wouldn't be people like you questioning "why?".Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzSee, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIf somebody wanted to make a wager with you, ditz, should they post it at WOV or VCT?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wouldn't it be gutless to post it at WOV and not on VCT?
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
The problem is a whole group of people, more and more every day it seems, that are here to do nothing but troll. If coach belly was using his real name and posting exactly what he posts, nothing would be different, so the problem is not posting anonymously....it is the act of having an agenda to be disruptive and add nothing of value. The act of trolling.
Dan Druff has publicly identified both Rob Singer and coach belly as such people. I would think if you have a forum supposed to be about a particular subject matter, such as VCT, and you identify someone as a troll, meaning their sole purpose is to troll be disruptive, you would get rid of them. Druff chooses not to citing freedom of speech.
That being the case, that Druff chooses to welcome such people even after he himself has identified them as being a troll, with an agenda to disrupt, the only thing left, as I said yesterday at GF, is to stop feeding these trolls. They are narcissist who crave attention. Rob Singer even admitted in the past day or two when he said something to the effect that he loves it when people hate him. THAT is what it is all about with the attention craving narcissists. The only way to shut them up is to stop giving them the attention they crave and need. Admittedly, I have fed the trolls as much as anyone. But if we want it to stop, we need to collectively stop feeding the trolls, because they really are completely insignificant to anything. Why empower them.
The member who started this thread has no business calling anybody a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Good lord, get a clue.
Ditz has an ulterior motive for wanting to know everyone's names.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJRedietz, I am disappointed that you have gone back to your old anonymity argument again. Advantage players making money from casinos at any level, cannot post on these forums using their real names. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. We have 2 choices. either don't participate on public forums (as most choose), or participate anonymously. I can understand why those that aren't AP's might have trouble understanding this (as Alan always did), but frankly I would have thought that what I went through this year after being outed/doxed resulting in loss of income, there wouldn't be people like you questioning "why?".Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzSee, coach, the problem with responding to you is that I post under my real name, and you doing some juvenile version of my last name in posts addressed to me is disrespectful. Considering what I've accomplished in sports betting, and what you've accomplished in the world of gambling as evidenced by your posts and expertise, it would be inappropriate for me to give you the time of day regarding straightforward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Now if you want to post your real name so I can come up with some juvenile version of it, I'll answer your question after I've verified who you are.
Basically, I demean myself by bothering to respond to you. You're an anonymous dude trying to prop up nonsense, and I'm a professional handicapper and sports bettor with 40+ years of public exposure and verified competence. I'm sitting here after a decent but not great college football season has drawn to a close, and I give myself a pat on the back because it was not easy, and I'm wondering why I'm typing something out to some dude with axes to grind.
If you want to send me actual letters using your real name, I'll respond, as I do with everyone. You have my address. If you don't, it's
1412 Forrest Dale Lane
Johnson City, TN 37604
Have a good day. Next time you're in the Cherokee neighborhood, let me know and maybe we can have lunch.
The problem is a whole group of people, more and more every day it seems, that are here to do nothing but troll. If coach belly was using his real name and posting exactly what he posts, nothing would be different, so the problem is not posting anonymously....it is the act of having an agenda to be disruptive and add nothing of value. The act of trolling.
Dan Druff has publicly identified both Rob Singer and coach belly as such people. I would think if you have a forum supposed to be about a particular subject matter, such as VCT, and you identify someone as a troll, meaning their sole purpose is to troll be disruptive, you would get rid of them. Druff chooses not to citing freedom of speech.
That being the case, that Druff chooses to welcome such people even after he himself has identified them as being a troll, with an agenda to disrupt, the only thing left, as I said yesterday at GF, is to stop feeding these trolls. They are narcissist who crave attention. Rob Singer even admitted in the past day or two when he said something to the effect that he loves it when people hate him. THAT is what it is all about with the attention craving narcissists. The only way to shut them up is to stop giving them the attention they crave and need. Admittedly, I have fed the trolls as much as anyone. But if we want it to stop, we need to collectively stop feeding the trolls, because they really are completely insignificant to anything. Why empower them.
Would you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?
Rob attempted financial gain when he wrote those two stupid books full of gambling nonsense. Like almost everything else, he failed at making a profit, but he tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Also that "financial gain" stipulation for fraud is for it to be a prosecutable crime. No one has or is suggesting that Rob Singer be arrested and prosecuted for fraud. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out on gambling forums for making the ridiculous claims he had made, one after another, most that defy math.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWould you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?
Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.
I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.
Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.
Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.
Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
Frankly if I was advising Rob, and I have no idea why I would be, but I would advise against what redietz is suggesting, an interview with someone like Dan. I have seen two Rob Singer interviews, one with the late Alan Mendelson and one with Michael Shackleford.
And let's face it, while Alan was a real and credible journalist and interviewer for part of his career (I understand he interviewed Presidents and Queens), later in Alan's career, or his second career, was a little less honest, in promoting products he had been paid to promote. The interview between Alan and Rob felt much more along those lines with Alan asking softball questions that had likely been discussed between the two prior.
The interview with Shackleford was a very typical, person getting caught in their own lies type thing. Shackleford claims he knew that given enough rope, Rob would hang himself, and Rob did when asked to provide some evidence of his claims. Within a couple days Rob had posted pictures of himself inside an RV at a dealership, claiming he bought that RV with the money won.
An interview with someone like Dan Druff would have the same results. Rob would end up further revealing himself. Of course then he would insist on a completely alternative and detached from reality view of how it went down like he has done with the Dan Druff proposed meetup.
People need to separate out that Rob Singer is a made-up character, no different than a character in a book, movie or TV show. And the purpose of this character was to create attention that Robert Argentino needs and craves.
I seriously suggest we all make a Christmas/New Years vow to stop even talking about this made up character and his claims. It is the best way we can help him with his mental illness. And that is what it is. 20+ years of this crap, caught in his own lies time and time again. Throw in all the nastiness. All for some attention.
Yea, I have to wonder. He sure is stuck on that even though it was debunked. Only reason he could come up with was the assumption we all want to be movie stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
He is so full of himself it would make sense. I guess a persons gotta dream. GL redietz.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Yup, Nailed it.
I think if Druff interviewed Singer, it would go the same way that Druff’s interview went with Mikki. Some of you may be unfamiliar with Mikki (Not Mickey Crimm). Mikki is not a typical scammer as far as we know. He is basically a guy that came out of no where and started gambling millions of dollars. He was first introduced in a Hustler Casino Livestream playing poker, then he claimed he played +EV Baccarat.”Professional Baccarat player” LOL. He donk’s off Millions of dollars gambling. It hasn’t been entirely confirmed where his money comes from, but it is my belief his Grandfather left him a Trust Fund. Soon after his wealthy Grandfather past away is when Mikki came on the gambling scene. Everything lines up.
Druff did an excellent job of interviewing Mikki on his PFA radio show. Druff asked all the right questions and Mikki kept getting more irritated and was very disrespectful to Druff, but Druff kept his cool the entire interview. So what better way to prove your casino winnings than to show your win/loss statement? Druff asked him for these statements, and Mikki said he would provide them. Well surprise-surprise, Mikki ghosted Druff after that.
I think an interview with Singer would be very similar. Druff would ask reasonable questions, then for whatever reason Singer would get upset. Singer can provide a W2G for the VP win. Will he provide it? Of course-not, because it DOESN'T EXIST! BA-BOOOOM!
As I have said before, What Singer wants the most is for people to believe him. He can do something incredibly simple and provide a W2G if a VP win existed, but we all know it won’t happen since there isn’t one to provide.
This is such bull! Mickeycrimm is simply repeating Rob Singer accusations and insinuations (like a good wingman that he now is) that redietz solicits members of the forums. Other than Rob, there is no one on any forum that I have seen redietz on that has ever reported such a thing and surely there would have been. This is just another attempt to slander and discredit someone.
We can have a discussion as to whether sports handicapping is advantage play, but redietz simply is not an advantage player in the way that some of us are with the casino industry and supporting companies like OSN, Biometrics, Griffin, trying to stop us from playing, so he apparently doesn't understand that if it were not for anonymity there would be zero advantage players on these forums.
And it isn't even necessary. It is not hard at all, as a matter of fact, I would say quite easy, for most members with any brains whatsoever to figure out who is legit and knows what they are talking about and who is bullshitting. And frankly, people have figured that out a long time ago in regards to Rob Singer and his claims. It is just there are a few people that think it funny to pretend they haven't and cheer Singer on even though they know it is wrong. Kind of like laughing at a midget. THAT is the space this made-up character of Rob Singer occupies.
I interact with Rob at GF not because I believe his claims, but because I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Kinda fun to tug the tiger's tail.
Helps pass the time.
I used to think this too, but do not anymore. In the past 2-3 days Singer said something to the effect that he likes for people to hate him. That is a person after attention, nothing more. If someone did a poll and people answered honestly (which those days are gone) and 99 out of 100 people said they didn't believe RoB Singer, he would be fine with that. He would just be thrilled with the attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
If this is true, then Rob Singer is one mentally ill man.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI used to think this too, but do not anymore. In the past 2-3 days Singer said something to the effect that he likes for people to hate him. That is a person after attention, nothing more. If someone did a poll and people answered honestly (which those days are gone) and 99 out of 100 people said they didn't believe RoB Singer, he would be fine with that. He would just be thrilled with the attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Damn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWould you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?
Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.
I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.
Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.
Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.
Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.
So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.
But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.
Stay tuned for KJ and redietz' future posts where they will both say
"I'm for free speech but........."
Fill in the blanks yourself. There is no telling what all these two idiots want banned out of the forums. Fascists.
When I was a member of the SSDVP (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Video Poker), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDamn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.
I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.
Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.
Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.
Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.
So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.
But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.
Excuse me, but it was neither redietz nor myself that started this thread. It was in fact Dan Druff, so I guess he wanted to discuss this subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Rob asked me to post this at VCT:
"I WILL PROVIDE MY W2G TO PV WHEN HE GATHERS UP THE COURAGE TO LEAVE HIS LITTLE SAFE SPACE IN CALIFORNIA AND MEET ME AT RW IN LV SO WE CAN VERIFY ITS AUTHENTICITY TOGETHER."
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDamn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.
I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.
Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.
Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.
Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.
So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.
But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.
Rob can set it up himself. He's not banned here. He's not paying me a salary, last I checked.
Mickey "The Truth" Crimm. What a joke.
I have a request of Mickeycrimm. In the past few months over at GF, I have seen mickey doubled down in support of Rob regarding things I know mickey doesn't believe. So in the last few weeks, Rob has stated at least a dozen times that Dan Druff, chickened out of their meet up and or was "afraid" to meet with Rob at GVR last June. Strangely mickey has stayed silent on Rob's revisionist version of events on June 16. So I am asking mickey right here on Dan's forum to either say he supports Rob's statements or that Rob is lying in his version of events. I do hope mickey acknowledging that Rob is not being truthful isn't a violation of mickey's surrender agreement to Rob several years ago. :rolleyes:
Just in case mickey needs a refresher, I am linking to page #94 of the thread from June 16, post #1866, where in a post time stamped 12:17 pm in the last line of the post, Dan Druff wrote: "I won't be available to talk or text prior to 7pm today. However, feel free to text me at the above number, and I will get back to you around 7, if you're serious about this".
PLEASE NOTE: The time stamps of these posts are an hour off real time as we will learn later.
What followed was at 1:03pm, Rob posted that he hadn't heard from Dan Druff, as if it wasn't clear to him that Dan Druff had said he wouldn't be unavailable to talk or text before 7pm?
18 minutes later at 1:21 Rob posted he was heading out to an early dinner and that was the last we heard from Rob that day.
We next heard from Dan Druff at 6:24 and 6:29 pm saying he has texted Rob 25 minutes prior with no response. So these posts were made at 7:24 & & 7:29 respectively (an hour off the time stamp).
And finally in a post time stamped 7:35pm (actual time 8:35pm), Dan Druff wrote:
"Rob is ignoring me.
It's now 8:30. Suffice to say this isn't happening. Believe it or not, I think Rob might really be at GVR tonight, but had some flimsy plan to "prove" his win to me, which he then realized wouldn't work, so now he's acting insulted about my questioning his location and ghosting me.
As usual, there's a lot of bluster and aggressive claims that he will prove everything, followed by it all petering out.
I can't believe I stayed around a bit longer for this. Dumb"
So again, mickey, I am requesting you go on record, right here on Dan Druff's forum either supporting Rob's claim that Druff chickened out or acknowledge that Rob lied and revised the who account, just as he has done so many times before. Awaiting your response, Mickeycrimm.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...trength/page94
And I'll repeat this caveat one more time, for those unfamiliar with the world of gambling. W2Gs are evidence that someone has taken tax responsibility for having done something. They are not evidence that the person actually did the something.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Much more prevalent in the 90's but Rob and I were creatures of the 90's in Las Vegas.
PV, be aware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBwoinDS18
I'm not sure I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?
Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
In Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI'm not sure I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?
Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.
I didn't read much of the last two pages, a little bit of the mickeycrimm replies but for a QueerJ that isn't supposed to be posting here, or on any other gambling forum, she sure does vomit a bunch of words over here and at GF.
What makes you so sure that who you think is posting, is actually posting?Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Due to Singers reputation of “No-shows, ghosting, last minute excuses” he will need to put a deposit with a trusted middleman (And I will do the same). It doesn’t have to be much $1,500 or so. That deposit will set a date and time. We can set a 1 hour window since sometimes shit happens. If someone doesn’t show, that deposit will go to the other party. After watching what Singer did with Max Pen and Druff, Im not going to have any of that shit, and if he does, at least I pocket $1,500.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Very reasonable.
I’m not sure what he means by “Little Safe Space in California”. He is watching to much TV.
I’m not very concerned with Singer trying to pass off a fake W2G, as I know ways to verify there authenticity.
Yes, there are guys that will sign for the tax liability. The odds of Singer being in the presence of someone hitting a 1.5 million VP hit is very slim. I will even be ok with the hit being in the presence of Singer, that’s how confident I am that it wasn’t him , nor was he anywhere near a REAL 1.5 Million VP hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIn Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI'm not sure I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?
Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.
But as we all know for 1.5 Million, the casino will check the cameras and see who pressed the button. Shoot, some small hole in the wall places will check the camera for anything $1200 and over.
I'll post one time on this since it's not proper for MrV to be a middle man.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVarianceDue to Singers reputation of “No-shows, ghosting, last minute excuses” he will need to put a deposit with a trusted middleman (And I will do the same). It doesn’t have to be much $1,500 or so. That deposit will set a date and time. We can set a 1 hour window since sometimes shit happens. If someone doesn’t show, that deposit will go to the other party. After watching what Singer did with Max Pen and Druff, Im not going to have any of that shit, and if he does, at least I pocket $1,500.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Very reasonable.
I’m not sure what he means by “Little Safe Space in California”. He is watching to much TV.
I’m not very concerned with Singer trying to pass off a fake W2G, as I know ways to verify there authenticity.
PV, you probably already know this but go back and read Druff's opening post in his thread. In it he says HE proposed a meeting with ME that kicked things off. Yet if you go back to my jackpot thread you'd see clearly it was ME who proposed it to HIM.
Then there's the part where he claims there was a VPN or something and that I was "busted" for not really being in LV. Another outright lie. I texted him and copied mickey (so he'd know he hadn't been supportive of a liar) a copy of my room TV inside GVR that showed the date, time, and Welcome Robert Argentino.
Further, whatever he told you people was't complete. He kept out my text to him shortly after 1pm where I said because I was with my family I needed to get a confirmation from him by 5pm, or else I'd be going out with them at night instead. At 7 he texted me that he fell asleep, obviously in the middle of us trying to get everything nailed down.
I suspect he was in shock that I really was in town and trying to get this done. I'm the one who proposed it, after all. So he panicked, and did the only thing he could do--ignore me and then contact me when he knew I was unable to go. At this point, he could pound his chest right here.
So after his chickenshit excuse and his starting this thread full of butt-covering lies, you come along, make a similar proposal only with wizard as the verifier, and you're too afraid to go over to GF to discuss it with me. That smacks of you hoping I won't respond. It didn't work.
As for your stupid condition of putting up a no-show fee?....you used the rationale of me not showing up for max (I absolutely did, only I did leave early because I verified his bullshit story about the jackpot being hit at Caesars (it wasn't) instead of my hitting it, and I had my answer). I even provided the names of the managers etc. that I talked to there. I didn't need to make the trip, but I needed to show everyone what a jealous liar max was. I've also proven that I was at GVR when I offered to settle the doubt once and for all with Dan, as soon as I read he was still in town.
So no, there won't be any need for no-show money. If you don't show then I don't need your money.
If you had read my post about this on GF you'd have seen where I said for purposes of keeping this meet on equal footing, that you text me a redacted copy of your DL so we know each other's real names. You have mine and I'll have yours. Reasonable and fair, right?
This was a one time post. If you'd like to finish this off you'll need to address it on GF.
I'm glad everyone still here sees kew as the asshole liar he's always been.
Holy bejesus! Dan's first post on the matter back on June 16, he ended with "I won't be available to talk or text prior to 7pm today. However, feel free to text me at the above number, and I will get back to you around 7, if you're serious about this".
So what did Singer do? He texted Dan after 1pm and said he needed Dan to confirm by 5pm.
Let me say that again. During the window that Dan Druff clearly stated he would not be available, Rob texted Dan and needed an answer by 5 pm. BOTH TIMES within the window that Dan Druff specified he would not be available.
I mean this is shades of Singer showing up for an agreed upon noon meeting at....wait for it...10:15 am and leaving by 10:30 claiming no one was there
Do you see the pattern with this guy? He always changes the terms of a scheduled meet-up, to something that he knows can't be met. In this case he texted Dan DURING the window that Dan clearly stated he was unavailable, and changed the term (to you must contact me before 5pm)
Whether or not Singer sent a copy to mickey or anyone else is totally irrelevant. The text was during the time that Dan Druff clearly stated he was unavailable.
And this is the shit some of you guys think is funny?
I'll link to the actual discussion again, for anyone that wants to read, starting with Dan Druff's post #1866
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...trength/page94
Welcome Back Rob!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I didn't read much of this because I'm not involved and will never be involved in this never-ending saga.
I just wanted to say that everyone missed your posts.
QueerJ, Redietz, Mr. V and Dan Druff missed you more but welcome back, nonetheless.
Your posts really do keep QueerJ up at nights as he writes never ending paragraphs about you that most of us do not read.
Nice to see that you have a new stalker in PositiveVariance.
How did you spend the 1.5 Million Dollars by the way??
PV, I know you mean well with this challenge/wager, but it simply will not happen.
Rob won't put any money in escrow. He never does. Are you aware that 2 days before the MaxPen meetup at South Point, Right here on this forum, Rob claimed that he sent money in escrow to Attorney Bob Nersesian's office, which he never did!
And Rob won't show up at an agreed upon time, with agreed upon terms. He will try to change the terms or meeting time until the other party can't agree and then Rob will claim the other party chickened out. We have seen this re-run a dozen times.
At this point if Rob can get somebody to put themselves out, wasting time and money for a challenge wager that he has no intention of showing up for, he thinks that is funny. If you are going to travel somewhere to meet this guy, don't waste your time.
Shut the FUCK up you fat disgusting homophobic, bigoted PIG. What a fucking low-life you are!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I figure by putting up a deposit (show up money) in escrow it will cut out a lot of the bullshit. A deposit shows the intent of both parties. A time and date can be set once the deposits are sent, since this seems to be the biggest hurtle to Singer meet ups. Once it’s shown both parties are serious then things can move forward. With all the things that have previously happened with Singer meet ups, it’s just better to do it this way. As everyone knows, talk is cheap. Yes KJ, you are absolutely 100% correct he will not put up any type of escrow, I am fully aware of this. I wanted to at least provide him an opportunity. Yes, I was aware of the Bob Nersesian fake money escrow lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So it’s fairly simple. Deposit and we move forward. No deposit and Singer can go back to Gambling Forums and his 68% amazing ATS NFL picks!
MrV, you need to get out into the real world on occasion. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI'm not sure I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?
Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIn Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI'm not sure I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?
Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.
What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.
This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.
Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.
Well a W-2 certainly wouldn't be sufficient. This is a guy (Singer), that printed out a blank bill of sales for an RV from a template on the internet and signed all 3 signatures (buyers and sellers) in the same handwriting. So a W-2 is sufficient? THIS is where past behavior comes into play and what credibility is, mickey. And you are throwing yours away by continuing to support this BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Axelwolf posted at WoV a while back that several years ago, he had in his possession a pad of W-2 from a casino. So he could have produced 100 W-2's with any amounts he wanted and they would look real, because the W-2 was real, just the info bogus. So NO, Rob producing a W-2 wouldn't mean much to me.
Now Dan Druff, had a way to verify, or disprove Rob's claim. It didn't involve W-2's, which might or might not be real, or a hand picked person to vouch for anything. But of course Rob couldn't let that happen. End of story. This is just another Singer Rabbit hole.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
No doubt, but back to the point: a genuine W2-G will give the name and location of the casino, the date and time won, type of wager, the number of the VP machine and the cashier ID number.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The pic he posted purports to show a $1.5M hit on a $25 triple bonus machine.
One might think it would be easy, once the W2-G is viewed, to go to the casino ID'd in the W2-G and inquire about the matter.
Ask cashiers, slot attendants, pit bosses: I doubt the code of Omerta would preclude them from acknowledging such a hit, as casinos generally like to publicize it when big jackpots occur.
MrV, Rob, the great troll that he thinks he is, thought he set this up very carefully to protect himself. One of the things he stated was that there was no such machine at the Denomination he wanted to play, so they brought in a machine especially for him....and apparently set it up in someone's basement next to stored away exercise equipment. ;) The point of stating that was to convey that there is no machine that anyone can look at or look for.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVNo doubt, but back to the point: a genuine W2-G will give the name and location of the casino, the date and time won, type of wager, the number of the VP machine and the cashier ID number.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The pic he posted purports to show a $1.5M hit on a $25 triple bonus machine.
One might think it would be easy, once the W2-G is viewed, to go to the casino ID'd in the W2-G and inquire about the matter.
Ask cashiers, slot attendants, pit bosses: I doubt the code of Omerta would preclude them from acknowledging such a hit, as casinos generally like to publicize it when big jackpots occur.
Rob always thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else when he plans and executes these fake claims, but he never is!
Dan is right that Rob was reckless. He is getting worse and worse at this shit. When Rob announced three weeks prior to this hit that he was going to hit this, I knew he was already sitting on a jackpot picture that he thought he could pull off. I thought he would at least wait a couple months before making the claim, but he just couldn't contain himself. It probably was torture for him to wait 3 weeks.
What Rob did, is called escalating. These narcissist that need and crave attention like Rob and Mdawg, can't get the same attention from their claims so they have to go bigger, grander to generate that same attention. It is the same concept as a drug addict. They need more and more to get that same high. I have been pointing this escalation out about Mdog for over a year. It is one of the ways you can really spot these fuckers!
Points well taken.
IF Rob were to produce a W2-G it has a space to identify the winning machine; ("6 Race" is the name of the square to put the info in).
Be interesting to see how the casino ID'd a machine brought in "especially for him."
Of course Rob cannot and will not produce a W2-G.
LOL! You propose that Rob be interviewed on PFA but expect someone else should set it up. Please, get a fucking clue. You want that interview? Then set it up. Rob is right about you idiots. You never follow thru on anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDamn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.
So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.
But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.
Rob can set it up himself. He's not banned here. He's not paying me a salary, last I checked.
Mickey "The Truth" Crimm. What a joke.
I’m sure most of you probably know this, but some may not. Some of the lurkers may not as well.
A W2 form is not created/verified by the IRS or any other Government agency in any way when the form is being created/printed. Some may be under the impression that the business/casino has an account with the IRS and that the information is documented and the W2 is created. This is NOT how it works. The employer/casino simply inputs the information in the appropriate boxes on the W2, the software to create the W2, usually provided by a 3rd party.
Most small employers use a third party service online that provides a “templet”. The information is imputed for the employer and the system creates the document. The IRS is NOT involved in any of this! They verify nothing! The W2 is then printed by the employer. This is often printed on “W2” paper which can be bought by anyone. No verification of any kind needed. Casino W2G’s are often time printed on generic white printer paper, nothing special.
This is the important part, the W2 or W2G IS NOT valid until it is sent to the appropriate Government agencies. Anyone can go online and make a W2 with whatever information they want on it! Some are free, most employers pay a few dollars for each form created. This is why you don’t see many companies advertising “Fake W2’s” (yes there are a few) because there isn’t a difference between a real and a fake other than the purpose it was created for and the intent of the W2 creator. The only difference is if it was submitted to the Government.
The deadline for a W2 to be sent to the government is January 31st, of the following year. However, it is my guess that casinos send them in far before the deadline.
An Example:
Someone wants to open a business, they go to the city to get the form to apply for a business license (yes, I know this is usually done online). They fill it out. They submit it to the city. The form only means something once it is submitted.
The W2 is basically the same type of document. Prior to being submitted to the appropriate agency it is worthless.
No one oversees the creation of these documents.
Within 5 minutes anyone here can create a W2 form online with a legitimate design/printing company. Nothing is filed with the IRS or Government on their end. Many of them don’t store the info on their end either.
Prior to the internet, businesses usually had their W2’s created by an accountant.
Another example are companies that print checks for businesses - there is no value until it’s presented to a business for payment or presented to the bank that it is drawn on for payment.
Manufacturing Police badges? You get the point...
If Singer presenter a W2G, that would have to be compared to a real W2G issued by the casino to see if it matches up. Obviously the best way would be to get a duplicate W2G right there in front of you at the casino. Or better yet there is a form you can file with the IRS to see what W2’s are in a persons name. Win/loss statement? The list goes on. 0.0% chance Rob Singer fools me! BA-BOOOOM!
[QUOTE=kewlJ;151624]I have a request of Mickeycrimm. In the past few months over at GF, I have seen mickey doubled down in support of Rob regarding things I know mickey doesn't believe. So in the last few weeks,[B][I] Rob has stated at least a dozen times that Dan Druff, chickened out of their meet up and or was "afraid" to meet with Rob at GVR last June....Strangely mickey has stayed silent on Rob's revisionist version of events on June 16. So I am asking mickey right here on Dan's forum to either say he supports Rob's statementsSo again, mickey, I am requesting you go on record, right here on Dan Druff's forum either supporting Rob's claim that Druff chickened out or acknowledge that Rob lied and revised the who account, just as he has done so many times before. Awaiting your response, Mickeycrimm. [QUOTE]
I like it that you hate me.
Then you must be very disappointed because I don't hate you. I do hate that you have embraced the trolling games, but I don't hate you....try as you might.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Once again Bob Dietz the scamdicapper shows his stupidity. He tries to cover up his lack of knowledge with insults about what others "don't know." Do you notice when he makes these offensive remarks he never says anything about "this is how it really works." He thinks just insulting someone with "I know how it works and you don't" will cover for his lack of knowledge. Why does he never give his take on how it works? I'll tell you why. He doesn't want to expose his ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIn Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.
What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.
This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.
Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.
It was well known that those that ran slot teams paid signers. I knew guys that signed. It was usually someone on the team. When the royal hit they just switched seats. 10% was the usual price.
The more you read him the more ditz appears to be a fraud. He acts just like a scamdicapper "Well I'm 27-10 in this contest" always after the fact. Nothing up front about entering the contest. He easily hides the contests he flunked out of.
And he works all the freerolls. Have you ever noticed that any type of freeroll the casinos put up it attracts all the bums in town. Cal Neva/Reno used to have Free Bingo every morning at 8 AM. Leading up to 8 AM you saw every bum in town headed to the Cal Neva. We called it Bum Bingo. Same thing with these bumdicappers freerolls.
Redietz plays the Bumdicappers contests.
MLB is the real sportsbettors season. Redietz doesn't cover MLB. He slinks around in bush league college football for a few weeks a year. He's a pig farmer is Johnson Shitty, Tennessee.
[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;151687][QUOTE=redietz;151658]I happen to know a couple hard core gambling degenerates. Both of these guys collect SDI due to being “disabled”.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
On multiple occasions, they were contacted by the Social Security Administration about their W2G wins. They were told they shouldn’t be gambling if they are being paid by the government. Now, I’m not exactly sure if SS can restrict you from gambling if you are collecting SDI. But what they can do is garnish your wages for any wins above your monthly amount you receive from SSI.
Both of these guys earn money from other sources, this is how they can afford to degen it hardcore style.
They both collected numerous W2G’s and had a percentage of their wages garnished by SSA to collect the amount that was won.
So be careful if you are on permanent disability and may be at risk for a W2G!
Now these 2 guys always make sure they have someone around. They usually gamble together. They pay a friend $80 ($40 each) to drive both of these buffoons 1.5 to 2 hours to the Indian Casino. The guy that drives them is available to take their place on a W2G win. They do 20% of the win. Anything over $3k they do 10%.
Both of these guys usually take $1k to $1.5k in cash to the casino. They will play until all money is gone. So usually every other time that they go up there, 1 of the 2 guys will hit a W2G. About 5k lost every 2 trips. It is also not common for these guys to get W2G’s and give all that back as well!
The driver that gets the $80 will play that at a near by machine. If any W2G is hit by his friends, he will Degen his 20% away.
How did I meet these characters? One day the driver left one of these guys up there, after more than 24 hours of straight degening it up. I was Chatting with him at the bar, got to know the situation and ended up giving him a ride back to his house, as we lived in the same city. I Kept seeing him up there after that. Since then we became friendly/social. To much +EV in my life is not good!! I need some -EV Characters in my life to keep everything balanced out!
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmOnce again Bob Dietz the scamdicapper shows his stupidity. He tries to cover up his lack of knowledge with insults about what others "don't know." Do you notice when he makes these offensive remarks he never says anything about "this is how it really works." He thinks just insulting someone with "I know how it works and you don't" will cover for his lack of knowledge. Why does he never give his take on how it works? I'll tell you why. He doesn't want to expose his ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.
This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.
Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.
It was well known that those that ran slot teams paid signers. I knew guys that signed. It was usually someone on the team. When the royal hit they just switched seats. 10% was the usual price.
The more you read him the more ditz appears to be a fraud. He acts just like a scamdicapper "Well I'm 27-10 in this contest" always after the fact. Nothing up front about entering the contest. He easily hides the contests he flunked out of.
And he works all the freerolls. Have you ever noticed that any type of freeroll the casinos put up it attracts all the bums in town. Cal Neva/Reno used to have Free Bingo every morning at 8 AM. Leading up to 8 AM you saw every bum in town headed to the Cal Neva. We called it Bum Bingo. Same thing with these bumdicappers freerolls.
Redietz plays the Bumdicappers contests.
MLB is the real sportsbettors season. Redietz doesn't cover MLB. He slinks around in bush league college football for a few weeks a year. He's a pig farmer is Johnson Shitty, Tennessee.
When Mickey "The Truth" Crimm talks, people listen. He's like E.F.Hutton.
Now mickey's going to explain how I was wrong about W2Gs being no proof of having done something, just of taking tax responsibility for it. Can't wait for the insights.
If you'll notice, mickey didn't offer his experience with people signing for others' wins until I spelled it out. Now why wouldn't he mention that when Singer is going around touting W2Gs as proof of something? You'd think Mickey "The Truth" Crimm would tell people that, wouldn't you?
I guess not.
And there are many more elements to the W2G subbing than slot teams subbing in for "big payouts." LOL. But yeah, I'm not going into them.
As far as mickey's profiling what I do, I welcome anyone to contact the Lawrences (publishers of PlayBook) or Billy Walters or Bob Fredericks of Inside Sportsview (who coordinated Las Vegas contest entries for out-of-staters for decades), then report back here what those folks think of me. There you go -- specific folks to check up on me. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue with their qualifications.
Mickey, of course, makes money in all sports, just like he makes money playing poker and machine playing. He's like Inspector Gadget. He always has the tools to win at everything.
I think what galls me about this nonsense is when mickey wanted to know how to properly attack sign-up free play for the sports books, he asked me not so long ago. I gave him the best short answer I could. I guess it wasn't expert enough, eh mickey?
Tell you what, mickey. You obviously don't want me posting here with your boy, Rob's, validity continually on the line. Since you're so brilliant, covering all aspects of gambling with your Leonardo Da AP act, I give you the floor. It's a bummer, as in the last year, I gave out futures that won here, a week's worth of a baseball angle that won to the tune of between 7 1/2 and 8 1/2 units, and instructions (to kewlJ) on which books to check in what order to get the proper futures odds for his to-win-division wager. All totally worthless stuff, as opposed to your brilliant insights.
Oh yeah, almost forgot -- I pointed out an offshore where certain specific wagers, if lost, got you a 50% or 100% free play back up to $200 for losing. Nobody else seemed to know about it or kept it to themselves. But not me. As mickey says, however, I know nothing and share no specific information.
Take the floor, mickey. You deserve it.
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Originally Posted by redietz
THE Billy Walters? Top that folks!
With mickeycrimm and redietz both on a mission to discredit the other, I am going to offer some opinions on each. You all know my thinking, that it just isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.
Redietz: I have no doubt that redietz has made a living as a sports better for many years. As a matter of fact, what he does, a lot of contests and stuff, is something I hadn't even considered. I thought sports betters bet on games. This was a whole new angle for me and I must say, sort of crosses more into advantage play than just betting individual games. I would also be surprised if mickeycrimm doesn't know that redietz is who he claims.
I haven't mentioned it but one thing I don't like about redietz's claim about mickey is that mickey wouldn't know about larger w-2's because he is generally a lower limit slot AP. Tasha (of all people) said this about me when I opined that Mdog's claims didn't cut the mustard. Well here is the thing: While I don't play at Mdogs betting levels and play high limit rooms (I actually try to avoid them) and mickey may not play such high limits as to be getting w-2's for 10's or 100's of thousand of dollars, as real players who play for a living, we know and talk to people. Players that play those limits, dealers and casino workers. When you are a real player, spending a lot, maybe too much :rolleyes:, time in casinos, you get to know people on BOTH sides and how things work. So that arguement that so and so doesn't play those limits is out the window as far as I am concerned. Real players know, talk to and network with players and casino personel on BOTh sides and know how things work, even if it is something they aren't doing themselves.
Now mickey: Redietz is sarcastically saying mickey wins at all things. I have never heard mickey claim all that much about winning from sports betting. Same with Poker. And I specifically recently asked him about his blackjack card counting history. I am not saying he hasn't won some money from any of these things, he probably has, simply because mickey is one of the most complete AP's I have encountered. And I think redietz knows that too, so I don't know why either is on this mission to discredit the other.
And as far as redietz, not announcing his picks prior to the games, well this is a Rob Singer talking point that mickey is now repeating. OMG, imagine a professional level sportsbetter NOT sharing his picks on a public board before the game. Unheard of isn't it!!! Kind of like how AP's don't share a machine play or table game side bet opportunity on a public forum until well after it has played out. Unheard of right? :cool:
[QUOTE=redietz;151691]When Mickey "The Truth" Crimm talks, people listen. He's like E.F.Hutton.
WHEN STEVE STEVENS' PROTEGE, REDIETZ SPEAKS, SCAMDICAPPERS LISTEN.
Now mickey's going to explain how I was wrong about W2Gs being no proof of having done something, just of taking tax responsibility for it. Can't wait for the insights.
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT W2G'S BEING PROOF OF ANYTHING.
If you'll notice, mickey didn't offer his experience with people signing for others' wins until I spelled it out. Now why wouldn't he mention that when Singer is going around touting W2Gs as proof of something? You'd think Mickey "The Truth" Crimm would tell people that, wouldn't you?
I guess not.
GUESS AGAIN. I'VE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS, IN MORE THAN ONE FORUM, ABOUT THE W2G SIGNERS AROUND THE SLOT TEAMS.
And there are many more elements to the W2G subbing than slot teams subbing in for "big payouts." LOL. But yeah, I'm not going into them.
EVERYONE HAS TO ASK THEMSELVES, WHY WOULD DITZ NOT TALK ABOUT IT? WHAT'S HE DOING. COVERING FOR NOT KNOWING? OR INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL ACIVITY?
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I THINK SOMEONE WHO HAS THE DOCUMENTED LOSSES TO COVER FOR THE W2G COULD SIGN OFF. THE SCAM YOU SPEAK OF PROBABLY STARTS RIGHT THERE.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN RUNNING THAT SCAM?
[QUOTE=redietz;151692]As far as mickey's profiling what I do, I welcome anyone to contact the Lawrences (publishers of PlayBook) or Billy Walters or Bob Fredericks of Inside Sportsview (who coordinated Las Vegas contest entries for out-of-staters for decades), then report back here what those folks think of me. There you go -- specific folks to check up on me. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue with their qualifications.
LOL! A SCAMDICAPPER WANTS US TO CONTACT OTHER SCAMDICAPPERS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP. AND THE HONORABLE BILLY WALTERS? DIDN'T THEY LET HIM OUT OF THE BIG HOUSE EARLY BECAUSE OF COVID?
Mickey, of course, makes money in all sports, just like he makes money playing poker and machine playing. He's like Inspector Gadget. He always has the tools to win at everything.
ANOTHER REDIETZ PREVARUCATION. I'VE NEVER BEEN MUCH OF A SPORTS BETTOR. BUT I MADE A LITTLE MONEY BACK IN 2006/2007 WORKING THE LINES THAT MOVED ON GAME DAY IN WENDOVER. tAKING THE DOG AND AN EXTRA TWO POINTS BECAUSE OF THE WOODCHOPPERS THAN NEVER SEEN A FAVORITE THEY DIDN'T LIKE. IF PUSSY ASS REDITZ DON'T BELIEVE IT HE CAN SUCK DICK.
I STARTED OUT IN POKER AND YES MADE A PROFIT AT SOME FORMS OF THE GAME LIKE 7 STUD 8 OR BETTER. THE STUD GAMES STARTED DRYNG UP AND I STARTED MAKING MONEY PLAYING MACHINES. STUCK WITH THE MACHINES.
I think what galls me about this nonsense is when mickey wanted to know how to properly attack sign-up free play for the sports books, he asked me not so long ago. I gave him the best short answer I could. I guess it wasn't expert enough, eh mickey?
NO, IT WASN'T. I GOT BETTER ADVICE FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
Tell you what, mickey. You obviously don't want me posting here with your boy, Rob's, validity continually on the line. Since you're so brilliant, covering all aspects of gambling with your Leonardo Da AP act, I give you the floor. It's a bummer, as in the last year, I gave out futures that won here, a week's worth of a baseball angle that won to the tune of between 7 1/2 and 8 1/2 units, and instructions (to kewlJ) on which books to check in what order to get the proper futures odds for his to-win-division wager. All totally worthless stuff, as opposed to your brilliant insights.
DUDE, YOUR A DEGEN THAT GOT LUCKY
Oh yeah, almost forgot -- I pointed out an offshore where certain specific wagers, if lost, got you a 50% or 100% free play back up to $200 for losing. Nobody else seemed to know about it or kept it to themselves. But not me. As mickey says, however, I know nothing and share no specific information. Take the floor, mickey. You deserve it.
DEGENS SHARE INFORMATION ALL THE TIME.
Degen redietz was in another losing streak. But this one was worse, much worse than all the others. He owed the bookies hundred of thousands of dollars. He needed a mortal lock he could bet big to get out of the hole. Now, you all know redietz. He's got relatives that are experts or whatever at all kinds of stuff. And it just so happens he had a 4th cousin that was the coach of a nationally ranked college basketball team.
redietz calls his cousin, tells him his plight, and asks if there is anything his cousin can do for him. Any kind of inside information at all so he can get out of the hole. His cousin said "well, I shouldn't do this....but you're in a bad spot. You know, we're favored by 13 points in the game tonight but all my starters came down with the flu this morning. They've been pukin' and shittin' all day. We're the ones that should be 13 point dogs. We'll be lucky to stay that close to them. So bet the farm on the other team.
"Oh, Wow! redietz exclaimed. "Thank you, thank you, thank you so much! My God! You're a life saver! I can't thank you enough! Whew!"
"Oh, by the way" redietz exclaimed. "Do you know a good team I could parlay this to?"
I believe every word you type but at least use the word parlay instead of parley because I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Par·ley
[ˈpärlē]
NOUN
a conference between opposing sides in a dispute, especially a discussion of terms for an armistice:
"a parley is in progress and the invaders may withdraw"
SIMILAR:
negotiation
talk(s)
meeting
conference
summit
VERB
hold a conference with the opposing side to discuss terms:
"they disagreed over whether to parley with the enemy"
typo corrected. I usually catch them. thanks. But we both missed no question mark at the end of the sentence. Hahahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI believe every word you type but at least use the word parlay instead of parley because I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Par·ley
[ˈpärlē]
NOUN
a conference between opposing sides in a dispute, especially a discussion of terms for an armistice:
"a parley is in progress and the invaders may withdraw"
SIMILAR:
negotiation
talk(s)
meeting
conference
summit
VERB
hold a conference with the opposing side to discuss terms:
"they disagreed over whether to parley with the enemy"
Tons of APs do plenty of sports betting stuff. There are many APs who know quite a bit more about sports betting than Redietz. Redietz knows about one sport. (I believe soccer) but not sure. Redietz doesn't know enough to begin to understand what he doesn't know. (We'll leave it at that)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Redietz loves to talk about himself and his promoting but I don't know if I have ever learned one thing from him.
Mickey however has written some stuff which is basically the best material there out there figuring out machines and how to approach that on your own. As opposed to all the crackheads and various degenerates given some numbers by another degenerate. Reading how he figures out equities by counting various things was very useful.
Mickey goes to the gutter too easily but Redietz is just so promoting and condescending at times. I don't know if he's gotten worse or I have just spent too much time on the forum.
Mickey has never shown to ever talk about stuff he doesn't know about. Redietz however.....
So readers, this is all you need to know about these 2 guys.
BTW I'm high so I am being self-indulgent in giving my opinions.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Anyone talking to both sides “networking” is most definitely a fucking rat that deserves to die of aids and have their family die of covid. I been dealing with rats like gun play all fucking year. Atlantic City is full of them so is Florida and Cincinnati. Networking with the other side is code for rate or felony crimes. Fuck off rat
The funniest shit about Redietz is that I twisted him up so much he went off and made threads about me. " Accounting Lesson #1 "
TBH I did that with Rob Singer when we I posted "who is smarter Singer or Tash." But the effort to chuckle ratio was quite low. The results were pretty much as expected.
Oh shit I didn't quite catch that he says we can contact Billy Waters who will vouch for him being legit !!!!
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Originally Posted by kewlJShut the FUCK up you fat disgusting homophobic, bigoted PIG. What a fucking low-life you are!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Fuck you rat fuck “networking” both sides sucking the cock of every black casino employee in Vegas ! All to rat
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Originally Posted by redietz
O shut the fuck up !! Attacking online sports bonus / freeplay is so fucking easy I doubt Mickey needed your advice ! I swear to god half you fucks most be paid prop posters. There’s just no way someone of you people are real
tableplay... thanks for the horse racing link.
Seedvalue... thanks for the last three posts.
I'm Rolling on the Floor laughing Out Loud!
No, FUCK YOU, you lying asshole! You are another low life piece of shit crackhead, ex-con.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Tableplay, have you and Monet had sex yet? Please keep us updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by tableplayNo problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Negative blacksuckJ never been arrested for anything. I once got a ticket for having my cock out on the beach but that was by accident because when it gets hard it’s impossible to keep hidden in a pair of Board shorts. Lucky for me you were no where around because most certainly you would have been begging for a taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNo, FUCK YOU, you lying asshole! You are another low life piece of shit crackhead, ex-con.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Fact you rat and date casino employees black and white to further your rat fink fraudulent life.
Good grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Funny how guys with big money usually are pretty quiet about it, whereas wannabe rich dudes, guys with nothing, post false brags of wealth.
Gotta suspect the same dynamic is at work when it comes to cock size.
FUCK YOU asshole. You are a sick, lying, pervy sicko. Yeah, go take some more dick up the ass and call it "swinging".Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedvalue
Back to the topic of forum regulars that haven’t been around for a while.
Whatever happened to “The Boz.”