Who cares! $64,000 for Todd is pocket change. He was only paid 640 for 1. Not a huge win compared to the bet amount.
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Who cares! $64,000 for Todd is pocket change. He was only paid 640 for 1. Not a huge win compared to the bet amount.
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Originally Posted by jbjb
Maybe Druff will share is his Freeplay numbers for his next mailer.
I don't do the multi card thing. Is it still primarily based on coin in?
Or any chance that $64k gets him substantially more free play?
"Prior restraint" would seem inapplicable as it is the suppression of libelous or harmful info before publication.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWould you invoke prior restraint, such that an image of said W2G posted online shall not be admitted, because it could be faked?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
While I have no problem with a W2-G being published online, depending on who posted it and the circumstances I'd likely question its probative value: I doubt I'd question the veracity of a purported original were it proferred to me for personal inspection.
Wtf. Singer and smelly belly asking for proof of Druff's hit? Is Dan Druff now on trial as well?
This is a freaking gambling forum. Druff shared a jackpot he hit (and good for him). He shared a picture that all seems to work. No strange exercise equipment in the background or cursor on the screen.
Anyone that doesn't want to believe it....then don't believe it.
Druff dont show these fuckers shit. Who the fuck are they.
I have the original W2G issued at the time of the win V. If you were to see it, are you saying that would be the proof you really never wanted to see? Or would you do as lying kew would do, and claim it's a fake like you and he do when you lie about my cash....or keep bringing up silly "exercise equipment" and that non-existent cursor that isn't in the original picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWould you invoke prior restraint, such that an image of said W2G posted online shall not be admitted, because it could be faked?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Make the tough choices V.
You have no reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I didn't ask for proof, I asked for an accepted criteria for proof.
Robert, in your case I'd have to insist on you satisfying three criteria, due to my belief that you're a clever, slippery little devil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
1) I'd personally hold, view and examine the W2-G you were given;
2) You'd tell me the name of the casino you won at as well as the date, and you'd sign an authorization for them to verify that yes, you won as claimed: verification to be written and mailed to me from the casino and on their letterhead: and finally
3) You'd allow me to review your IRS return for the year in question so that the circle would be unbroken.
Sorry to hold you to such strict scrutiny, but I'm sure you can understand.
Yeah, anything shy of witnessing the casino (Where the jackpot was hit) hand over some type of documentation in person (duplicate W2, Win/loss) is subject to trickery (not referring to Druffs jackpot) and must be questioned.
That definition is only applicable in a government proceeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It has no bearing in this venue.
Why is Druff's jackpot protected from scrutiny?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Because he doesn't make up outrageous claims that have proven to be false. If he had it would be a different story. Between here and PFA, no one is questioning if this was actually his Jackpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWhy is Druff's jackpot protected from scrutiny?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
No history of outrageous, unverifiable claims, as well as there not being any motivation to pull such a stunt. He would have zero motivation to falsely claim a $64k Jackpot.
Will $64k change his lifestyle? Doubtful. Will $64k change what others think of him? No. Does HE think a $64k Jackpot would change what others think of him? No.
Absolutely zero upside
If anything it puts him in a bad spot. He now has to potentially answer questions as to how much he tipped, which he admitted it is a position he hates to be in. As well as all the questions (Here and PFA) about the particular pay table and the potential upside to playing this particular machine to begin with.
Well get to scrutinizing boy genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWhy is Druff's jackpot protected from scrutiny?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Indeed; why then did you think it did?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThat definition is only applicable in a government proceeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It has no bearing in this venue.
Your query: "Would you invoke prior restraint, such that an image of said W2G posted online shall not be admitted, because it could be faked?"
Under no set of facts would your hypothetical be subject to a "prior restraint" sanction as currently defined and understood in the law.
Of course you can make up your own notions of the law, as you just did, and nobody will care, they'll only snicker.
Here's a flash PV: inasmuch as $64k wouldn't change Dan's life, $1.5m doesn't change mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVarianceBecause he doesn't make up outrageous claims that have proven to be false. If he had it would be a different story. Between here and PFA, no one is questioning if this was actually his Jackpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWhy is Druff's jackpot protected from scrutiny?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
No history of outrageous, unverifiable claims, as well as there not being any motivation to pull such a stunt. He would have zero motivation to falsely claim a $64k Jackpot.
Will $64k change his lifestyle? Doubtful. Will $64k change what others think of him? No. Does HE think a $64k Jackpot would change what others think of him? No.
Absolutely zero upside
If anything it puts him in a bad spot. He now has to potentially answer questions as to how much he tipped, which he admitted it is a position he hates to be in. As well as all the questions (Here and PFA) about the particular pay table and the potential upside to playing this particular machine to begin with.
I've proven for years in published and verified articles of jackpots in GT that I played up thru the $100 machines. Yes, much, but not all, of that was from playing the DU bug--another one of your alleged "outrageous claims" from me--WHICH I'VE BASICALLY PROVEN BY PROVIDING THE EXACT AND DETAILED PLAY STEPS AFTER WIRED PURPOSELY PUBLISHED IT PROCEDURALLY WRONG.
These claims are only "outrageous" to you because I've never been one of the little people. And all those "theories" about my win that were perpetrated by envious people were disproven and rightfully ridiculed.
So Dan should absolutely be under the same scrutiny as anybody else. He's no saint, and he's been caught lying several times, and name a trustworthy poker player.
V, no casino is gonna send out verification letters, permission or not, of a jackpot hit by one of their past hi-limit players. What kind of retired lawyer ARE you anyway? And while I do still have my tax return copy with the $1.5m included, unlike nearly everyone else here as well as probably you, my wife has her financial included in our JOINT returns. Letting a highly envious stranger see them is something she'd never agree to. Really, how dumb ARE you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVRobert, in your case I'd have to insist on you satisfying three criteria, due to my belief that you're a clever, slippery little devil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
1) I'd personally hold, view and examine the W2-G you were given;
2) You'd tell me the name of the casino you won at as well as the date, and you'd sign an authorization for them to verify that yes, you won as claimed: verification to be written and mailed to me from the casino and on their letterhead: and finally
3) You'd allow me to review your IRS return for the year in question so that the circle would be unbroken.
Sorry to hold you to such strict scrutiny, but I'm sure you can understand.
The only real way for you to verify is by my meeting you in LV, handing you the signer, then taking you to the casino for verbal confirmation--all of which was tried before with Dan, who chose to claim he "fell asleep" rather than confirm he'd meet me, thereby being able to continue his and others' false claims about the win. Honestly, I really don't see you traveling anywhere out of your area after you turned down dinner with us a hundred miles from your home.
Correct.
Robert, you asked me what I'd require, and I answered.
I never asked; you did, so I answered...in the abstract.
I never said I wanted to follow up and actually travel a thousand miles to meet you to go over something that means nothing of consequence to me.
I don't have enough interest in the matter to meet with you in order for you, be it in Las Vegas or elsewhere, in order to allow you to attempt to prove your claim.
I've already passed judgment and there is no appeal.
The last time Rob attempted to show paper documentation of anything, it was a bill of sale for his non-existent Newell RV. Rob printed out a generic bill of sale from an internet site, that had no company logo, and filled it out with 3 different signatures in the same handwriting. He then crumpled up the freshly printed piece of paper attempting to make it look several years old and posted it online. Instead, it looked like a freshly printed document that someone had crumpled up to make it look old. :D
Last year, after Rob's phony jackpot picture was systematically taken apart, he arranged to meet with not one but 2 different people to "show further proof of this phantom jackpot". First was MaxPen. A meeting was scheduled for noon at South Point. On the day in question Rob claims he showed up at !0:30 am, 90 minutes early, and with no one there (why would they be 90 minutes early) Rob says he drove 5 hours back to Phoenix. Like that makes any sense. Problem was Dan Druff confirmed according to IP address, Rob never left Pheonix.
Several weeks later Rob attempted this whole silliness again, this time reneging on a meet up with Dan Druff at GVR. I guess Rob thinks people have forgotten these troll games he plays and has got caught in. He now is looking for a new fish, to agree to meet him and end up wasting a whole day when Rob doesn't show.
Rob, You must be stupider than you, and I don't know if that is even possible, because you look pretty damn dumb, you Larry Fine looking fool. At the very least, get some fucking new material, instead of replaying the same BS.
If you add up Rob's gambling claims, The double up bug (that he stole from the news), his stupid progression wagering system, his phantom 1.2 million dollar jackpot, it adds up to over 5 million dollars. And yet, Rob lives in his daughter's house. :rolleyes:
It is like Jerry Stiller's character in that old King of Queens sitcom, living in the daughter and son-in-laws basement. Only difference is Rob has a wife in tow, and desert homes have no basements because of the hard, dried out ground.
maxpen knows what Rob looks like. Rob has no clue what maxpen looks like. So in maxpen's position, if he saw Rob enter the bar at South Point, do you think he would walk up to Rob and say "Hi, Rob. I'm maxpen. Well,I lost fair and square so here's your 100K. Or do you think maxpen, knowing Rob didn't know what he looked like, would haul ass out the back door to save the 100K, then say Rob didn't show?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Doesn't matter Mickey. Rob didn't even give him that chance. The meet up was scheduled for noon. Rob claims he showed up at 10:30 and left and was halfway home by noon.
This is not a matter of law, that's why your legal definition does not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You eliminated evidence without examining it. That's prior restraint.
max was there by 10:00. But he was gone by 10:01 when he seen Rob. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But do you really think someone is going to carry 100K to a meeting site where if the other party shows they will just hand the money to them. Is anyone really that dumb? Did maxie even have 100K cash?
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Originally Posted by coach bellyThis is not a matter of law, that's why your legal definition does not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You eliminated evidence without examining it. That's prior restraint.
What are you arguing about, coach?
Eliminating evidence without examining it is NOT "prior restraint" as I know the term to be defined.
Besides I've not said that I would "eliminate" anything, I simply would not likely give much probative value to viewing the online posting of what is purported to be a W2-G due to the seeming ease of faking same.
I'd place higher probative value on a W2-G posted by Dan Druff than I would Robert due to my finding Dan's gambling claims to be more credible, but such a posting would not constitute conclusive proof, no matter who posted it, no matter how credible I found them to be.
This is nonsense mickeycrimm and you know it. Rob didn't even claim to walk through south Point until well after 10am, closer to 10:30.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
If you want to continue to play the game where you defend and pretend to believe Rob and his stories, so be it. No one thinks that you really do. But if you think that is fun or entertainment, have at it.
Not likely give much probative value?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You've assigned the online posting of a relevant document zero probative value, categorizing it as a false statement of fact without any inspection, rejecting it prior to its presentation.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
Yes indeed: I would give much greater weight to holding and viewing an original as compared to only viewing an image on a computer screen.
At no time did I say or believe that a W2-G viewable only on my screen would have zero probative value; there would be some, the amount depending mainly on how reiable I consider the source.
It's a question of how much weight to give the evidence.
Here's a poor example: Let's say you are scouting for an NFL team and are looking for a good QB prospect; you receive and view many videos but do not consider a video determinative.
No, you'd actually want to go watch, see, observe the prospect in action on the gridiron before deciding.
Not going to rehash this. I was there before and after the time Singer claimed and showed proof. MaxPen the only one who shows up...RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmmax was there by 10:00. But he was gone by 10:01 when he seen Rob. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But do you really think someone is going to carry 100K to a meeting site where if the other party shows they will just hand the money to them. Is anyone really that dumb? Did maxie even have 100K cash?
MrV, critics insist on giving me the abilities to be able to photoshop, manipulate, and create images on computers, when in fact I'm near computer-illiterate. The cursors, vp hands, w2g's, etc....I wouldn't know or care to know how to manufacture or work those things in any way. I spent my latter working career having others in my dept. do that stuff for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNot likely give much probative value?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You've assigned the online posting of a relevant document zero probative value, categorizing it as a false statement of fact without any inspection, rejecting it prior to its presentation.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
What I'm REALLY enjoying in all this is watching kew frantically trying to get anyone and everyone to see things in his warped, jealous way!
Most of you are so far removed from close family that you wouldn't recognize true life advantage pays. Think of this in terms of if YOU had children. I gave my kids cash to buy 3 homes for cash. It was their choice whether to pay cash or not--didn't matter to me. The return was we live for free in one of them. The overriding advantage? No Probate upon our deaths. Of course, the little people would never understand any of this, starting with what it's like having children and grandchildren. They're all here for the holiday by the way. That's why I'm not here 24/7 like most of you.
Wise up. But keep me smiling:)
I raised my son in a particular house and now he, his wife and his son live in it; my wife and I bought a different home that we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I own my son's home free and clear, the title is only in my name.
The notion of gifting it to him occurred to me but I've opted not to; that would trigger considerable tax consequences.
The plan is for him to still live there til I die, then via probate he gets it free and clear WITH A STEPPED UP BASIS.
Not saying you're wrong for doing it your way, just saying there's more than one way to skin a cat.
I considered and rejected the idea of a trust: too cumbersome.
OMG, just stop Rob. This isn't your thread, it is Dan's. Do you have to hijack it trying to revive your 20 years of bullshit? Are you THAT freaking insecure? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
You didn't win 5+ million gambling. You didn't buy all your kids home using cash. You are a guy who worked all his life, most likely not how you have portrayed it, and is now retired and lives with/off his daughter. Just stop. Nobody really cares. Certainly no one is impressed like you think or hope.
Have to disagree with you on a few things, although I don't know your financial status or the built in capital gain on the house. The current exemption from federal estate tax is around 12.9 million. I don't know if you have state estate tax considerations. However, effective 1-1-2026, that exemption will reduce to around 6.4 million. If that affects you, then you have to weigh the capital gain against any estate tax you may owe. A gift today does not trigger an estate tax. It only reduces the 12.9 exemption. We are recommending that our wealthy clients liberally gift while the exemption is so high.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI raised my son in a particular house and now he, his wife and his son live in it; my wife and I bought a different home that we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I own my son's home free and clear, the title is only in my name.
The notion of gifting it to him occurred to me but I've opted not to; that would trigger considerable tax consequences.
The plan is for him to still live there til I die, then via probate he gets it free and clear WITH A STEPPED UP BASIS.
Not saying you're wrong for doing it your way, just saying there's more than one way to skin a cat.
I considered and rejected the idea of a trust: too cumbersome.
As to a trust, it need not be cumbersome. You create a self declaration of trust of which you are the trustee. You don't need to involve a bank or institution. You and the trust are as one. It does not have an FEIN and does not file a tax return. All assets in the trust are exempt from probate. To me, probate is the costly and cumbersome aspect of this that we do anything to avoid. Also, probate becomes public record. Vultures can see your assets and prey on your wife.
Just my 2 cents--or maybe with inflation 10 cents.
Singer begs people to believe his success... but never any proof. Hmm who does this remind us of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerMrV, critics insist on giving me the abilities to be able to photoshop, manipulate, and create images on computers, when in fact I'm near computer-illiterate. The cursors, vp hands, w2g's, etc....I wouldn't know or care to know how to manufacture or work those things in any way. I spent my latter working career having others in my dept. do that stuff for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Not likely give much probative value?
You've assigned the online posting of a relevant document zero probative value, categorizing it as a false statement of fact without any inspection, rejecting it prior to its presentation.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
What I'm REALLY enjoying in all this is watching kew frantically trying to get anyone and everyone to see things in his warped, jealous way!
Most of you are so far removed from close family that you wouldn't recognize true life advantage pays. Think of this in terms of if YOU had children. I gave my kids cash to buy 3 homes for cash. It was their choice whether to pay cash or not--didn't matter to me. The return was we live for free in one of them. The overriding advantage? No Probate upon our deaths. Of course, the little people would never understand any of this, starting with what it's like having children and grandchildren. They're all here for the holiday by the way. That's why I'm not here 24/7 like most of you.
Wise up. But keep me smiling:)
He isn't here 24/7 but who has more posts? Lol.
Goofball.
Rob, life clue - Actual successful people rarely have any reason to brag.
I appreciate the analysis regnis, thanks...
It either went completely over your head or straight thru the gaping hole in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionSinger begs people to believe his success... but never any proof. Hmm who does this remind us of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerMrV, critics insist on giving me the abilities to be able to photoshop, manipulate, and create images on computers, when in fact I'm near computer-illiterate. The cursors, vp hands, w2g's, etc....I wouldn't know or care to know how to manufacture or work those things in any way. I spent my latter working career having others in my dept. do that stuff for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
What I'm REALLY enjoying in all this is watching kew frantically trying to get anyone and everyone to see things in his warped, jealous way!
Most of you are so far removed from close family that you wouldn't recognize true life advantage pays. Think of this in terms of if YOU had children. I gave my kids cash to buy 3 homes for cash. It was their choice whether to pay cash or not--didn't matter to me. The return was we live for free in one of them. The overriding advantage? No Probate upon our deaths. Of course, the little people would never understand any of this, starting with what it's like having children and grandchildren. They're all here for the holiday by the way. That's why I'm not here 24/7 like most of you.
Wise up. But keep me smiling:)
He isn't here 24/7 but who has more posts? Lol.
Goofball.
Rob, life clue - Actual successful people rarely have any reason to brag.
Successful people have many reasons to brag here. Most of you are straight up losers in life, and rubbing your faces in it runs a special tingle up my leg. And that's just the beginning.....
Problem is, you have nothing to brag about. Especially the hideous looking wife you have!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerIt either went completely over your head or straight thru the gaping hole in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionSinger begs people to believe his success... but never any proof. Hmm who does this remind us of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
He isn't here 24/7 but who has more posts? Lol.
Goofball.
Rob, life clue - Actual successful people rarely have any reason to brag.
Successful people have many reasons to brag here. Most of you are straight up losers in life, and rubbing your faces in it runs a special tingle up my leg. And that's just the beginning.....
So let me get this right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
You "won" $1.2 Million, After taxes, that are a minimum of $495k (Federal, AZ state tax 4.5%) leaving him an absolute maximum of $705k.
In the state of Arizona, the average home price is $423k. You bought 3 house for CASH with $700k?? Average of $233k per house??
The question is:
Option #1 Did he come out of pocket the extra $600k? (lol)
Or
Option #2 Did he make up the entire story of the Jackpot and giving each child CASH to buy a house, even though this would cause YOU to come OUT OF POCKET at least $500k?
Option #2, is the clear winner, folks.
I suppose Singer can respond and say "He didn't say what type of home" and that he gave them enough CASH to buy a trailer home. If he admits to that, I will give him the "W".
Otherwise, it is a BIG FAT Baaaaahahahahahahaha!
I wonder what his children think of these outrageous stories he post on these forums? Are they aware of his shenanigans related to gambling?
They have things to brag about, yes. That doesn't mean they need to brag. Your definition of successful is probably far different than mine but successful people don't typically brag about their success. That's not what it was ever about.. but you're just a broke ass degenerate. Who knows what you consider successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerIt either went completely over your head or straight thru the gaping hole in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionSinger begs people to believe his success... but never any proof. Hmm who does this remind us of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
He isn't here 24/7 but who has more posts? Lol.
Goofball.
Rob, life clue - Actual successful people rarely have any reason to brag.
Successful people have many reasons to brag here. Most of you are straight up losers in life, and rubbing your faces in it runs a special tingle up my leg. And that's just the beginning.....
So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Any money that he gifts his children would come out of pocket, regardless of how he acquired the funds.
You've assumed...
#1 that all the homes were purchased in AZ
#2 that all homes were purchased after the big jackpot
Neither of those assumptions are necessarily true.
That's anecdotal, at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
More likely that you just made it up, without personal experience.
And none of them, are of course, true. It's just more of PV's jealous conspiracy theories like the ones he floated and failed with after my $1.5m vp win.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellySo what?Quote:
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Any money that he gifts his children would come out of pocket, regardless of how he acquired the funds.
You've assumed...
#1 that all the homes were purchased in AZ
#2 that all homes were purchased after the big jackpot
Neither of those assumptions are necessarily true.
Actually, NONE of the home were bought after my big win, and the only "gift" was $50k to my son for helping me out.
And....TWO of the homes were purchased by them in Az. Oops!....wrong guess again PV.
What these clowns don't want to get is two things: I "won" $2.8m on the DU play, and we have and have had for years, more than that in our retirement accounts.
Nonsensical gamblers-only we are not.
Oh the pain.....
Yeah, my sides hurt, I laughed so hard at your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
PV had you pegged, Mr. "Look At Me, I'm A Winner."
You were responding to MrV with this response. But I make no such assumptions. The profile that was passed around the internet a few years ago, showed you practice law (and I presume have residences) in both California and Texas I think it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You denied that was you, but I think you just confirmed it....again! :D
I love that Rob fakes a $1.2m win with exercise equipment in the background and a Windows icon on the screen, and he actually questions why nobody is doubting my $64k hit in what is clearly a casino with machines in the background.
Trust me, if I were going to fake an exciting jackpot, it would be a lot more than $64k.
How much do you load at a time playing $100 a hand? Looks like you only had 2.4 plays remaining in the machine?
Because I was almost busto with what I brought!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I see that! It is always how it happens... I've had some of my biggest hits on the last credit or two in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffBecause I was almost busto with what I brought!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
But just curious, do you load up like $10K in a machine like this? When I play $25 a hand I like to load up 1K or 2K into the machine at a time.
A picture of a jackpot along with a W2G is obviously not 100% proof. It's all going to come down to how believable one is and what their reputation is. I wouldn't even need a picture or w2g from Dandruff... if he said he hit something, then I believe he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWould you invoke prior restraint, such that an image of said W2G posted online shall not be admitted, because it could be faked?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Pictures of cash, chips, hotel rooms, watches, etc can all be faked or misconstrued. Give me a legitimate incentive to create such works of fiction, and I'll be happy to oblige.
Cash, chips, hotel rooms, watches etc prove nothing about what a player won or lost. It proves some degree of wealth (probably not as much as Mdawg tries to portray but some degree). And I don't see where anyone ever doubted that he has some degree of wealth. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Now show me a watch that still has that fishy prostitute vagina stink on it and we have something. :D
More important than some pictures that really show or mean nothing, is does the person know what they are talking about (or are they just talking).
So many things that Mdawg has said, from the bet spread, to pit folks not caring and loving him, so many more that are just not the way things work, prove to me that he just doesn't know what he is talking about.
I guess if you are someone who appreciates a good troll, you give him credit for figuring out that pictures sort of give him a false bit of credibility, even though they really say nothing about what he actually won or LOST.
I mean hell the guy had expensive seats to Formula one, so he must have won all the money he claims. :D Actually to me it almost proves the opposite. Casino shower their best players, that would be LOSING players with all these types of comps and gifts.
Mdawgs story has always been a fascinating story of a higher limit player, and what the casinos will give him. Only problem is he leaves out all the losing involved. :cool:
You have to be able to tell the real thing from fake to begin to fake anything.
And AxelWolf does not. Know real from fake. When I posted pics of a platinum Day Date he thought it resembled some fake Rolex he had in a drawer. I mean come on, AxelWolf has never even seen a tourbillon watch in person, let alone know what one is.
He's never high rolled. He could come up with some nonsense from some cheap casino outside of Vegas, but he'd never be able to stay in a big suite in Vegas long enough to post anything to match what I've posted, which is all legitimate.
It's the classic pearls before swine argument, as to why the Wolf could never understand or emulate what I've done, or even know what's real or what's not.
I was just hanging out in one of the premiere suites in Vegas with Axel recently . There's less than a couple dozen comparable suites in Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
But he DOES! Real players KNOW how things work. And you don't have to play at the limits you claim to know how things work and what casinos will and won't allow. Real table AP's don't play rated. They can't play rated. That you claim to play rated, while winning millions, is going down a rabbit hole or jumping through the TV set to a wonderland/fantasyland kind of stuff. And the pictures while some interesting, don't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Of course UNKewlLyingJ has to twist it all into something about his agenda. What I'm talking about is that A.Wolf has no idea what is real or not real when it comes to what he mentioned, "Pictures of cash, chips, hotel rooms, watches, etc can all be faked." He's never had much cash, chips, hotel rooms or watches in his life, certainly nothing at the high end.
And as for you, you've never had much beyond red or green chips in front of you. And no watches. No cash. No hotel rooms.
The same applies to the tunnel dwelling male prostitute - he's never done anything like what I've done, not in life not in the casinos, so of course it blows his mind. I mean the guy never even made it through high school, and was kicked out of his familial home for being an irritant, naturally he can't relate to a stable existence.
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Originally Posted by MDawg
You are finally right about one thing. I don't wear a watch. I don't see a lot of watch wearer in my generation. Some, but not like you older guys. I am of the cellphone generation. THAT is our watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Now it so happens I have had hotel rooms. Not a lot of suites, just basic rooms comped, in my final couple year in AC, when I would spend 3 nights a week in comped rooms each week. I also made 5 or 6 trips to Las Vegas prior to moving and most of them involved comped rooms. I can get comped rooms anytime I want and occasionally get one for friends visiting or even sometimes, not often, but sometimes I like to get away for a couple days to GVR, Red Rock or Sante Fe station. Probably will spend a couple nights at the New Durango, once the hype dies down, just to check it out.
Your treatment of Axelwolf is just a perfect example of your bullshit and insecurity. Axelwolf is a real player and AP, with many years of success and everyone knows it....even those of us that chose not to meet and hang out with him. :p
You just have to try to tear him down and discredit him because he dared say that what you claim is BS and not the way things work. You try but you are not succeeding, except in your own mind.
Again, to begin to understand what is real or not real you have to have experienced the real. A.Wolf has not. He's small potatoes. He's never played at any high end certainly not at table games.
BUT - at least he dwells in an actual home not a tunnel.
Pathetic. Just really sad that you think you are scoring points or winning something with these kind of comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You have proven one thing to me beyond any doubt and that is that money can't buy class. I think I already knew that but you have confirm it.
For the record, I have never said a word about your wife, girlfriend, companion (whichever), or where you might live, nor any member of your family. I don't need to stoop to that kind of thing.
I guess I have mentioned the prostitute incident. That is on you.
UNKewlJ tries to insult MDawg’s wife:Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And just the other day you posted a statement about in what states you think I maintain residences....Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWhy does this perv keep posting pictures of his girlfriend, wife or live-in prostitute (whatever she is) with a mussel on? Must be a California thing. Can anyone explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
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Originally Posted by Punkcity
I was much more impressed with reading how Bill Gates, then the world's richest man, played low level blackjack for fun and enjoyed it.
Contrast that with the dawg's tales of months of non-stop pounding the shit out of the strip casinos: not only is that essentially impossible, as KJ has so aptly pointed out, his brag also shows he is quite dissatisfied with his gambling experience, i.e. he can't stop.
Either he's a complete degenerate who bets big and loses big and then lies to make himself feel better, or as I suspect he's lying through his teeth, ala Robert, making it up for "True Passages."
Neither dawg nor Robert strike me as "Happy Campers."
Seriously though, is there any explanation other than mental illness for how someone could be so hypocritical with claiming "I don't do this, or that" when he's constantly doing, this or that?
He still continues too with the lie about "never asking anyone to pony up proof."
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Originally Posted by Punkcity
Dawg, KJ is fairly "high strung" emotionally, and as a prolific poster he likely forgets what he's previously posted while in a fit of indignation.
I believe his current intent is not to bring your family into it.
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UNKewlJ tries to insult MDawg’s wife:Geez, is that what your wife/friend looks like? No wonder you are so angry. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWhy does this perv keep posting pictures of his girlfriend, wife or live-in prostitute (whatever she is) with a mussel on? Must be a California thing. Can anyone explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Yeah, ok I figure I probably had posted something derogatory at some point. Sue me. :D
But in general I don't stoop to what you and others do until I am really pushed. It is 3rd grade dude.
I actually saw that first hand. It was during one of the COMDEXes in Vegas, around twenty years or so ago. He was playing red chip blackjack and high fiving the other players occasionally. It was quite a sight to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I have observed many celebrities over the years gamble, and while most of them I've seen play very big, a few play very small.
Professional athletes, I have never seen them play anything but very big. (Well, unless they are years past retirement and no longer rolling in millions.)
One athlete I always felt sorry for was Mike Tyson. I didn't actually ever see him play, but I heard about how the casinos set up private tables for him and fleeced him of millions. Another one who lost a lot of his fortune in casinos was Dennis Rodman, and him I did observe personally, playing at the old Hard Rock Vegas.
Look, I just don't care about anybodys personal life really. My problem with Singer, Mdawg are about their absurd gambling claims.
I don't really care what they do or did for a living, or about their personal lives or that one if them thought a good retirement plan was living off his kids. :D
Just have your claims work mathematically and don't say stupid shit like "pit people don't care and let me spread $100-$5000", or tell me about "special plays and machines telepathing hot cycles" or tell us about playing blackjack professionally in Reno (of all places) and you won't hear a peep out of me.
Hey dawg, all flaming aside...why do you feel compelled to play at such high limits?
I've no idea as to the truth of your claims and can only look at myself for comparison, but I am financially comfortable and could easily afford to bet higher but am content just to play the level I play at.
For me winning is important but I don't "need" to win; I simply enjoy the experience, the endorphin rush of betting.
I find I have increased my average bet size over time so there is probably some dynamic at play that I don't understand, but the bottom line is I could bet more but don't have the desire to.
So, why not bet less than you do?
We've all read tales of how whales get flensed and deboned over time by the casinos; what makes YOU immune?
That's a complicated question, but if you read my story as posted starting almost exactly five years ago, my initial intention was just to play enough to get comps. I started with $50K credit lines. Not that $50K lines are small, but more than enough to play small and earn plenty of comps.
Somehow over those five years I got into playing higher and higher limits until I was where I've been past couple years.
At this point, I don't think I could go back to playing small again, so I'd either just stop entirely or keep doing what I'm doing now. I'd be fine with either scenario.
One thing is that it's stressful to play at high levels, because there is so much back and forth at times at high levels. Actually earlier this year I mused and posted at WOV about maybe quitting because I got tired of the ups and downs, and then I had another big win trip and so I thought, nahhh, why quit when I'm winning?
But right now I'm thinking about giving it a long break again simply because playing at this level gets very consuming. I actually have not played in several days now just doing stuff with the wife in Vegas, non gambling related. And working remotely in the mornings.
I take the salient part as the quote about Gates' time limits on gambling. The more important, by far, of the two overall types of limits. If you could win all day long, day after day, then at what value of survival?
Anyway, I wouldn't cross the street to get a closer look at him, either. Ha.
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Brief: Bill Gates called a low-roller
Tuesday, Nov. 17, 1998 | 2:40 a.m.
The New York Times reported Gates played blackjack with $25 chips at the $50-minimum blackjack table in the Bellagio Hotel on Sunday.
The Bellagio, the recently opened $1.8 billion hotel, has private gambling rooms for high rollers ("whales," gamblers call them). But Gates, wearing a rumpled blue shirt and blue slacks, ambled over to a table in the main part of the casino and put down roughly $200 worth of chips.
Betting $100 each time, he doubled his holdings in 10 minutes.
So does Gates gamble a lot?
"Not really," he said. "I actually like poker better. Blackjack is mostly luck. Poker, you have to be a skilled player."
So is he?
"Not really," he said.
Does Gates, whose Microsoft holdings have made him one of America's richest men, set limits on the money he gambles?
"No, only time limits," he said, gathering roughly $300 in chips and standing up. He worked his way through the crowd to the guest elevators.
BTW you play machines correct, not tables?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
The psychology of machine players is different from table game players.
Machine players tend to want to "zone out" - they push those buttons and get into a fun zone where they are comfortable and enjoying the experience, even a jackpot doesn't really excite a true machine player that much, it's all part of the same continuous buzz.
Table game players' emotions rise and fall with the deal of the cards, peaking in intensity just before the hand results are revealed, and then, the tension is released. There is this constant up and down. Craps is pretty much the same - up in tension as the rolls continue until the inevitable "point is hit" or "seven out" and then a release.
For the most part, if you are playing for fun, you're going to tend to one or the other. Your psychological makeup will define whether you prefer machines or table games.
All that aside, as I examine public table games, for example blackjack, I see some tables (at some casinos) that all have the same limit, 5000, but lower minimums, all the way down to 15. I'd imagine it would be harder for someone of means to play small at these lower limit tables, especially if he has played big in the past. Sure, okay, he may bet only $15. but if he's allowed to bet to 5000, what's to stop him?
But with machines, and again I don't play them but you could tell me, is it easier to maintain that smaller bet? If you pick a "smaller" machine will it be impossible to dump say $100. a spin into it? If so, then I could see how a machine player, absent moving to higher limit machines, could keep himself from betting bigger and bigger, while as mentioned above, if the table has the same max bet of $5000. even with a smaller minimum, then what's to stop the player from betting more and more?
Before Bellagio opened all the big poker games were at the Mirage. Bill Gates would stay at the Mirage and play poker. Of course, all the big time poker players were drooling to get him into a game. But Gates would only play $3-$6. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I appreciate the measured responses; now, to respond...Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I played craps exclusively for many years; slots didn't do it for me.
Alas, one day I wandered into a high limit room and decided to make some five dollar bets and hit for four grand: that, as they say, "set the hook" for this gamblin' fish.
Over time I gravitated my play more toward slots; I still shoot craps but not like I used to do.
These days I prefer to play in the "Elite" or "High Limit" room at Chinook Winds, as they're the only casino that offers the games I like at the denominations I enjoy.
I play multi-denomination slots, typically one, five, ten or twenty-five dollar credits; usually I bet a buck or two but quite frequently I bet higher, depending on how I'm doing or how I "feel" at that moment, i.e. on a whim.
While I bet lower amounts most of the time, I always "take shots," betting higher amounts: that is the most exciting time, but also the most perilous.
I have the discipline to stick to this method of play: it would be pretty easy to say "Fuck it, let's go" and shoot for the moon, but that is the door to crazy-town.
Looking in my crystal ball, I suspect my average bet amount will continue to increase, which will be great...if I win.
Okay, so if you're in those high limit rooms (granted, the high limit room at one casino might be quite different from the high limit at another), then is the "sky the limit" (relatively speaking) to how much you could stick into that machine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNzvzjPaJqM
At 2:04 Alan wins $5000. and the blank matter of fact look on his face....
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Originally Posted by MDawg
I seem to recall a similar story with gates wanting Doyle Brunson to sign a copy of SS. Doyle declined since gates would not play high stakes poker he could afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Hit1der
Honestly I guess he'd have an assistant but transferring the money would be a pain. I wonder if bellagio marker staff have the ability to give him a 10.million credit line without any additional verification.
Everyone AP who isn't an addict becomes fairly bored with gambling.The only solution is to raise stakes until it hurts.
The tribal joints I play at don't have the high limits that you can find at the higher end Strip casinos: e.g., there's no five thousand a pop like at Wynn.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
But they offer enough.
These days I typically take a shot or two on Red White and Blue betting 2 X $100,00 ($200.00).
This I believe is the highest denomination slot I can play at Chinook Winds.
The two games I play most often have lower max amounts: $40.00 and $50.00, and I always take shots on them as well.
The only "limit" is the max denomination the machine offers.
To pace myself, as I typically spend the night on a comp, I play numerous sessions, and typically limit myself to a few hundred bucks each session.
It is typical to lose about a grand on a losing trip, but I've had some happy variance so that isn't my average; fact is I am still up a few grand over where I was a few years ago.
Well that's pretty measured gaming.
Boy this is the thought process of a "gambler" not an advantage player or winning player used to winning. I don't know of any table game AP that thinks like this. I really don't. APs and winning players remove that emotion from the equation. If you can't or don't, you are not going to make it as an AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Each hand is worth what the expected value is worth nothing more. Even a hand at max bet with a split and a couple of doubles. There really is nothing to get too excited about unless you are planning on quitting forever after that hand. If you are going to keep playing, to the next hand, or even the next session, or next day, that hand is worth only the expected value.
The last time my emotions rose and fell on a single hand like this was probably my first year or two when I was playing underfunded. If you are properly funded, there just is nothing to get emotional about. It is a hand or round worth several dollars in EV...nothing more.
Trolling aside, if I knew nothing of Mdawg and his claims and posts and this was the first thing I had ever read, it defines him as a gambler, not an AP or winning player to me.
edit: I removed a question I had posted in this space to other APs, but that was actually trolling and I said trolling aside. So I wont do that. But this statement by Mdawg is very revealing. Just lets leave it at that.
You are correct, for the most part, I have no idea from looking at pictures online unless something is so blatantly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
They can make Fake Rolex look exactly like the real thing.
Regardless, you can post pictures up of all the real Rolexes you want, including certification, but that doesn't mean you actually own them yourself. The same goes for chips, cash, and whatever else.
Why would someone do that? Who knows. Did you follow Newellgate? There's zero chance Rob owned that.
That's where you're wrong. If you knew anything much about timepieces you could tell from the pictures that mine are real. Plus if you recall I posted a pretty long video where I even weighed some of the watches and again, anyone who knows much about the watches would know from the weights and appearances that everything I have is genuine.
The guy who says "no way to tell" is someone who knows little or nothing about timepieces.
Just go to some of the watch forums sometimes and you'll see someone come along and post a pic of a watch. Pretty quickly, in most cases, people know if it is real or fake.
Hmm, so if these watches, cash, rooms, chips, etc. aren't mine, how come they kept recurring like a bad AxelWolf nightmare over and over over the years. I must be renting the same watches :cool: for years at a time. Who is letting me strew all my vitamins and designer clothes all over his suites? :o How is it that I meet up with Wizard here and there at random, and just happen to have a couple hundred K in chips in my pocket most every time I see him in a casino?
Anyway, it's one thing to say I don't know, but for someone to sputter "it must be fake" when he has no idea whatsoever, is insulting. Not insulting to me, insulting to you. You shouldn't make yourself seem so ignorant.
I suppose so, but it works for me and I enjoy it and look forward to returning...win or lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
What about these chips, A.Wolf, they real or fake? How would you even know, never before having seen or held one? of the gray ones I mean, of course.
I recall that Gates wanted to remain in the 15,400 sq. ft. massive suite at the Hilton (formerly Intercontinental, now Westgate) and was willing to pay whatever per night. The suite was needed for an incoming high roller (I believe it was Larry Flynt). Gates was offered to stay for free, if he'd open I believe a $300K line and play. Would they have done much of a verification to open the line for him? I'd like to think No, but with casinos being public corporations, who knows, maybe they would have done the same verifications on him as on anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Anyway, Gates declined and left the property. No Howard Hughes ending to that story.
Also from what I understand Gates gave up playing blackjack, at any level, years ago.