VINDICATION for KJ

One other thing I will say and then I see no point in continuing in this discussion.

I don't know Hunter Hill. I am trying to think of who he might be, if he met me in my 5+ years AC days. And what does "met me" even mean? Did he come up stick out his hand and say "Hi, I am Hunter Hill". Did I introduce myself? Or was he an acquaintance of an acquaintance.

I have tried to keep a low profile through 20+ years of my AP career and play. I have met a few people along the way, although usually not by name (no introduction). Know them more by face.

And I assume in my time as an AP, especially my 15 years in Vegas, there are other APs that have run into me or see me at casinos. So happens the 2 that said so on this forum, are wrong. they describe someone completely different than what I look like. And Axelwolf has since backed off saying he may have been mistaken. One of the places and times he thought he saw someone that he though was me, the place and time just don't work. It was Aliante Casino. It was either before I moved to Vegas or just after I moved, but wasn't yet driving and hadn't made my way up to Alainte. And my partner didn't move to Vegas when I did, he followed a year and a half later, so he wasn't here. I don't want to fight with Axelwolf about this, but he is wrong. I assume an honest mistake.

Now did he see me or my partner later, at either Club Fortune or East Cannery as he thinks? Maybe. But if he is still describing me as an Asian kid, then he is still wrong.

So I don't know who may have seen me or "met" me in 20 years. While I can't place Hunter Hill, maybe he did. I don't think that vindicated anything though. I would hope what vindicates me is people, real players and APs knowing that I know what I speak of and am not just talking. BUT on this forum, that just doesn't matter all that much, so I have given up hope of that.

I also seek no vindication. What anyone wants to believe about me matters to me as much as what they believe about the easter bunny or moon landing. I think I have demonstrated enough that most real AP know. they may play games, but they know who and what I am.

Now back to your regularly scheduled trolling.

I have just one problem with kewlJ's stories, but that one problem pretty much means I can't trust anything he writes.

It's that jive about "misdirection." The problem is that anything presented can be assigned the label "misdirection" at a later date, making the source (in this case, kewlJ) wholly unreliable. It's a constant, often-used, get-out-of-lying card. Maybe if somebody used this "misdirection" excuse once in his life, I could forgive it, but I'm an old journalist/reporter. When kewlJ continually trots out "misdirection" as a euphemism for "I lied," I just cannot put any stock in anything he says.

I'm sure, if I wanted to construct some fanciful details about working for Billy Walters or living 100 days a year in LV for 20-some years, I could fire away and then backtrack in the unlikely event somebody discovered contradictions, by reporting that it was in my best interest to "misdirect." The whole concept of covering lying with the word "misdirection" is ridiculous. The writer loses all credibility.

I mean, the whole debate is ludicrous. MrV, go ahead and ream the Dog, but ream the dude who "misdirects," too. I think "misdirecting" in a court of law is a felony. Why should anyone bother to read posts by somebody who "misdirects" when it suits him? What is the fucking point?

"I don't know Hunter Hill."


Curious you didn't initially respond with this small detail.

Yes, very small. And insignificant.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I have just one problem with kewlJ's stories, but that one problem pretty much means I can't trust anything he writes.

It's that jive about "misdirection." The problem is that anything presented can be assigned the label "misdirection" at a later date, making the source (in this case, kewlJ) wholly unreliable. It's a constant, often-used, get-out-of-lying card. Maybe if somebody used this "misdirection" excuse once in his life, I could forgive it, but I'm an old journalist/reporter. When kewlJ continually trots out "misdirection" as a euphemism for "I lied," I just cannot put any stock in anything he says.

I'm sure, if I wanted to construct some fanciful details about working for Billy Walters or living 100 days a year in LV for 20-some years, I could fire away and then backtrack in the unlikely event somebody discovered contradictions, by reporting that it was in my best interest to "misdirect." The whole concept of covering lying with the word "misdirection" is ridiculous. The writer loses all credibility.

I mean, the whole debate is ludicrous. MrV, go ahead and ream the Dog, but ream the dude who "misdirects," too. I think "misdirecting" in a court of law is a felony. Why should anyone bother to read posts by somebody who "misdirects" when it suits him? What is the fucking point?

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You have fake deaths, marriages and deaths, evil doxxers, backroom arm-breakers, and after-the-fact-"misdirection" that would have been unnecessary if you simply don't make public the narrative.

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Another UNKewl (as opposed to uncut) gem!

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I also seek no vindication.

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When I think of people who don't care what other people are saying about them on the Internet... I think of kewlJ.

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But you can tell he really intended for people to believe it, and was upset when they didn't. That's why we got the indignant responses.

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I'm not sure what is more deluded thinking - you believing anyone believes your stories or you telling everyone you don't really care.

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your whole identity on this planet seemed to be based on this idea of you being a blackjack counter. Being believed is super important to you and therefore valuable to you. Therefore you would want to prove things. Yes.

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Originally Posted by smurgerburger

"I don't know Hunter Hill."


Curious you didn't initially respond with this small detail.

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I don't know him by that "handle" obviously. Maybe if he walked up and said "Hi I am Hunter Hill" I would recognize the face and say oh yeah, I remember you from some previous place and time.

But there is an interesting tidbit here. This is not the first time, he said he knows me or met me. So I am thinking we did cross paths or informally met or something along those lines. Like I said, there have been a few I remember and certainly more that I don't remember in my 20 years.

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Originally Posted by jdog

Typical page out of the kewl playbook. Refuses to corroborate anything, that way if anything surfaces he doesn't like he can just say: I never said I knew that guy.

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Of course who knows what lies in the UNKewl future. Refuses to corroborate yesterday, comes forward to say it's all true today, denies it again tomorrow, claims all along that he never said that or that is not what he meant.

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Originally Posted by monet

You are too serious.
You lie too much.
You don't get the jokes.
You are the Joke!

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It all just comes back to a fascinating study in the workings of a pathological liar, without having to put up with being in actual proximity to one.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It all just comes back to a fascinating study in the workings of a pathological liar, without having to put up with being in actual proximity to one.

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You’re referring to yourself, correct Sand Skunk?

I guess I will also get into the substance of what Hunter Hill said, since it was 16-17 years ago and can't hurt me by association now.

I was involved with a team in Atlantic City for a short period in my 4th year of play. It wasn't exclusively hole-carding, it was mostly card counting but involved several different things of which hole-carding was one. That is where I learned of hole-carding and eventually decided I didn't care much for it. I rather quickly decided that association with other known APs was the quick path to a short career, and went back to solo play after only a couple months. And when I moved to Vegas I did so to be a solo type player although I had several offers of team play.

I actually have spoken about this period, not in terms of saying "I did this", but rather mentioning that there were teams recruiting players as throw-way players. When the players got busted the team just recruited more throw away players. That is why I got out.

BUT, there was a benefit for me wrapped up in that risk. I was able to make better money, more profit that I could as a solo low limit card counter and it enabled me to grow my bankroll to the point I could start betting a little bigger and that is when I took off.

I spoke of this too at times. But instead of saying in my 4th year I joined with other APs which allowed my bankroll to grown, I just glossed it over saying I hit some positive variance that 4th year.

Red and others can call that "misdirecting" (it was) or even lying if you want, but like I have said many times, for those of us that share some experiences, there are times we have to change details and such to protect ourselves and identities. People that don't understand this really just don't understand what advantage play is or entails.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

One other thing I will say and then I see no point in continuing in this discussion.

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Of course this always means that she is just getting starting with the lies and backtracking to try to explain all the contradictions.

It is fascinating that she thinks anyone is actually paying close attention any longer....

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Originally Posted by redietz

I just cannot put any stock in anything he says.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It is fascinating that he thinks anyone is actually paying close attention any longer....

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Yeah, your right....no one cares or is paying attention. That is why 16 members of this forum, not including myself have posted in this thread, which I didn't even start, nor had much interest in going down this path. 16 members!!! I had forgotten there were 16 active members here. :D

You really are an idot Mdawg and say the stupidest things.

Obviously you think you are Explaining Your Position, when the boat on credibility or the need to read anything you write closely always has left the dock by about the second page of any UNKewl thread.

From that point on people are pretty much just laughing at your walls of text and not reading anything closely.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Get help.

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It all just comes back to a fascinating study in the workings of a pathological liar, without having to put up with being in actual proximity to one.

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I've only been here a few days
Is Kewlj a liar ?
How the hell should I know
Seems like you got to read a gazillion posts to determine that. No thanks. Would rather finish the book Tyrannosaurus Canyon by Douglas Preston. I just picked up. Yea I already finished Racing the Light. Retired. I read a lot.
Is Mdawg a liar
Absolutely
It's a no doubter for me
Mdawg has told an outright bald faced lie about me.
Mdawg is absolutely positively a liar
Is that why you have backed off on this gay crap about me? Is it because I don't retaliate with lies or insults like a lot of pussies on the internet hiding behind an anonymous keyboard.
Do you want to stand by your lie or is a retraction warranted ???????
You tell me liar

It's a fascinating dynamic here where an absolute liar here is obsessed with Outing a supposed liar

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Is Mdawg a liar
Absolutely
It's a no doubter for me
Mdawg has told an outright bald faced lie about me.
Mdawg is absolutely positively a liar

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He has only told one lie about you terapined? Buckle up. If you stick around it will grow to 100's of lies about you, and he will continue to double down and repeat them after they have been proven false.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It all just comes back to a fascinating study in the workings of a pathological liar, without having to put up with being in actual proximity to one.

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I've only been here a few days
Is Kewlj a liar ?
How the hell should I know
Seems like you got to read a gazillion posts to determine that. No thanks. Would rather finish the book Tyrannosaurus Canyon by Douglas Preston. I just picked up. Yea I already finished Racing the Light. Retired. I read a lot.
Is Mdawg a liar
Absolutely
It's a no doubter for me
Mdawg has told an outright bald faced lie about me.
Mdawg is absolutely positively a liar
Is that why you have backed off on this gay crap about me? Is it because I don't retaliate with lies or insults like a lot of pussies on the internet hiding behind an anonymous keyboard.
Do you want to stand by your lie or is a retraction warranted ???????
You tell me liar

It's a fascinating dynamic here where an absolute liar here is obsessed with Outing a supposed liar

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Is water wet? …..Do Arabs stink?

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It all just comes back to a fascinating study in the workings of a pathological liar, without having to put up with being in actual proximity to one.

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I've only been here a few days
Is Kewlj a liar ?
How the hell should I know
Seems like you got to read a gazillion posts to determine that. No thanks. Would rather finish the book Tyrannosaurus Canyon by Douglas Preston. I just picked up. Yea I already finished Racing the Light. Retired. I read a lot.
Is Mdawg a liar
Absolutely
It's a no doubter for me
Mdawg has told an outright bald faced lie about me.
Mdawg is absolutely positively a liar
Is that why you have backed off on this gay crap about me? Is it because I don't retaliate with lies or insults like a lot of pussies on the internet hiding behind an anonymous keyboard.
Do you want to stand by your lie or is a retraction warranted ???????
You tell me liar

It's a fascinating dynamic here where an absolute liar here is obsessed with Outing a supposed liar

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Is water wet? …..Do Arabs stink?

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Lol
Reminds of those Chuck Norris jokes
When Chuck Norris jumps into a lake
Does Chuck get wet
Nope
The water gets Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris can read a book by its cover
Chuck doesn't do push-ups. He pushes the earth down
Chuck doesn't sleep, he waits

KewlJ you have no integrity and no credibility after you posted my PRIVATE MESSAGES for everyone to see! Private messages mean PRIVATE! Even if it is not against VCT rules still it is obvious that they should remain private!

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KewlJ you have no integrity and no credibility after you posted my PRIVATE MESSAGES for everyone to see! Private messages mean PRIVATE! Even if it is not against VCT rules still it is obvious that they should remain private!

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Yeah, yeah. Tasha you were fucking begging dozens of people on multiple forums for money. WTF!!! Don't blame me for your low life degenerate scammy actions.

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The truth always takes several 10X Multipliers to try to explain when you're dealing with a pathological liar.

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You really are an idiot!

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Yes, but he's OUR idiot.

Everyday I read his shit and think to myself "Whoa...glad I'm not this guy..."

"I used to feel sorry for myself because I had no shoes; then I met a man who had no feet."

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KewlJ you have no integrity and no credibility after you posted my PRIVATE MESSAGES for everyone to see! Private messages mean PRIVATE! Even if it is not against VCT rules still it is obvious that they should remain private!

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Yeah, yeah. Tasha you were fucking begging dozens of people on multiple forums for money. WTF!!! Don't blame me for your low life degenerate scammy actions.

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See, you have NO remorse for you SHARING my PRIVATE MESSAGE to you on the PUBLIC PART of VCT! A TRULY remorseful person would have said something like,"You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have shared YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE to me on the PUBLIC PART of VCT. What I did was REPREHENSIBLE, DISGUSTING, and UNFORGIVABLE. " But, you didn't answer anything that shows you have any remorse. Your flippant answer shows that YOU'RE actually the low life, not me.

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Originally Posted by Tasha

KewlJ you have no integrity and no credibility after you posted my PRIVATE MESSAGES for everyone to see! Private messages mean PRIVATE! Even if it is not against VCT rules still it is obvious that they should remain private!

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Yeah, yeah. Tasha you were fucking begging dozens of people on multiple forums for money. WTF!!! Don't blame me for your low life degenerate scammy actions.

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The reason UNKewlJ loses at everything and is a loser in general is because he's a bad, unnatural person. And that has nothing to do with his being gay.

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Originally Posted by MickeyCrimm

KJ, why don’t you just stop with all the bitter angry crap.

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Tasha you were fucking begging dozens of people on multiple forums for money. WTF!!! Don't blame me for your low life degenerate scammy actions.

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You tell her, KJ: I for one am getting damned tired of the wench playing the "Oh, I'm such a confused, broke-ass black autistic woman, I DESERVE "reparations" from you white devils; your ancestors enslaved mine and look what happened."

Yes, look...and wonder "What if The South had won?"

Karen wouldn't be shitting on the floors of chicken shacks and begging online: she'd be doing productive, useful work, either chopping cotton or being a domestic in The Big House.

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See, you have NO remorse for you SHARING my PRIVATE MESSAGE to you on the PUBLIC PART of VCT! A TRULY remorseful person would have said something like,"You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have shared YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE to me on the PUBLIC PART of VCT. What I did was REPREHENSIBLE, DISGUSTING, and UNFORGIVABLE. " But, you didn't answer anything that shows you have any remorse. Your flippant answer shows that YOU'RE actually the low life, not me.

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Corrrect Tasha. I have no remorse for revealing that you were begging dozens of people (I didn't know the number at the time) for money via PM. That is not acceptable. That you don't seem to realize this and blame me is staggering.

So KJ why not ask this guy who he is? Aren't you mildly curious, given that he says he has met you?

You could ask someone to ask him on WoV. He can easily make an account to DM you here.

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So KJ why not ask this guy who he is? Aren't you mildly curious, given that he says he has met you?

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Not really. I see it as he is an AP doing his thing, just as I am. Our paths crossed I guess and he mentioned that, much to the dismay of the KJ haters and doubters. His profile says he joined WoV in 2011. So we were at WoV together several times. And surely he knows where I am now, as it is comes up over there. So if he wanted or had a reason to reach out and contact me, he would have.

If I had to guess, he must have been associated with that group of players, either one of the players, one of the guys who ran the team or maybe a friend or acquaintance of someone involved with that group. But no matter. It doesn't seem he is up to any thing or trying to do harm. He has just mentioned that he knew or met me, twice now in 4 or 5 years.

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Originally Posted by redietz

The whole concept of covering lying with the word "misdirection" is ridiculous. The writer loses all credibility.

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Lack of a fundamental understanding of what makes a person credible has always been kewl's biggest challenge. He believes if a statement does not violate known AP principles and cannot be dis-proven, then it should be believed and somehow he is credible. He does not take into consideration the totality of his admitted lies, unlikely claims and contradictions as a whole.

If he gets caught in a contradiction then he had to lie to protect himself. Rinse. Repeat... but credibility is gone.

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He believes if a statement does not violate known AP principles and cannot be dis-proven, then it should be believed and somehow he is credible.

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Untrue. But the math IS a starting point. The math HAS to work. Otherwise you are a voodist talking about "special plays: and machines talking to you or rainman and such nonsense. The math working HAS to be a starting point.

Everyday I read his shit and think to myself "Whoa...glad I'm not this guy..."

"I used to feel sorry for myself because I had no shoes; then I met a man who had no feet."

What a quote

Sorry, don't have time to read through all this crap

I don't see anyone saying KJ was a successful card counter.

Someone said KJ was a hole carder.

But KJ has said on here he wasn't a hole card cat.

What was vindicated?

Thank you in advance

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

What was vindicated? Thank you in advance

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Hunterhill confirmed that he met KJ in AC years ago and that KJ was part of a blackjack team.

This helps corroborate KJ's story about first playing in AC then coming west and helps show that the hound is full of shit, making up lies about how KJ doesn't play blackjack, that it's all a fantasy.

The only "fantasy" is the hound's belief that people are impressed with his claims of casino conquest and superiority over all other mortals.

Oh...you're welcome.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

Sorry, don't have time to read through all this crap

I don't see anyone saying KJ was a successful card counter.

Someone said KJ was a hole carder.

But KJ has said on here he wasn't a hole card cat.

What was vindicated?

Thank you in advance

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Right Finkle. I have "posed" as a card counter for 20 years as cover that I am really a successful hole-carder.

You are a sharp one Finkle. No slipping anything by you.

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What was vindicated? Thank you in advance

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Hunterhill confirmed that he met KJ in AC years ago and that KJ was part of a blackjack team.

This helps corroborate KJ's story about first playing in AC then coming west and helps show that the hound is full of shit, making up lies about how KJ doesn't play blackjack, that it's all a fantasy.

The only "fantasy" is the hound's belief that people are impressed with his claims of casino conquest and superiority over all other mortals.

Oh...you're welcome.

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Well, MrV, I don't think my "story" needed collaborating by anyone with half a brain, including some of the AP's and members here that like to pretend they don't know what I have said is true. But I do find it interesting the circles and crossed paths that AP's are involved in.

Funny how the Dawg has disappeared knowing someone has collaborated some of my "story". If playbook serves, he will attack HunterHill. I hope not. All the guy did was say he knew or met me years ago. With the help of some fellow AP's, it is coming into focus for me who he is or might be and why our paths crossed at that time.

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

What was vindicated? Thank you in advance

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Hunterhill confirmed that he met KJ in AC years ago and that KJ was part of a blackjack team.

This helps corroborate KJ's story about first playing in AC then coming west and helps show that the hound is full of shit, making up lies about how KJ doesn't play blackjack, that it's all a fantasy.

The only "fantasy" is the hound's belief that people are impressed with his claims of casino conquest and superiority over all other mortals.

Oh...you're welcome.

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So we've found out KJ plays blackjack.

Got it.

Thank you.

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So we've found out KJ plays blackjack.Got it.Thank you.

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Not just that he plays, but that he was good enough to associate with a team in AC.

Ain't no ploppie.

You may have known he plays blackjack and I did too, but the hound kept saying KJ lies about everything...KJ doesn't, as Hunterhill has proven.

Once again it's the dunking stool for the hound.

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So we've found out KJ plays blackjack.

Got it.

Thank you.

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Well I guess we are making progress from "he is a male prostitute or works in a burger joint".

Slow but sure. :rolleyes: Maybe if you live long enough, we can get to where you accept the truth.

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So we've found out KJ plays blackjack.

Got it.

Thank you.

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Well I guess we are making progress from "he is a male prostitute or works in a burger joint".

Slow but sure. :rolleyes: Maybe if you live long enough, we can get to where you accept the truth.

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Point to where I said either of those things
I'll wait.

In the meantime, I was pretty sure you played blackjack.....

Tbh given what a confirmed liar KJ is and his inability to state that he knows who this person is, even though he claims to have met KJ and seen him several times subsequently in LV (if I have that correctly), I don't think the story is true.

Whether HH actually believes it I have no idea.

Btw how would this guy even know he had met KJ? I don't claim it's impossible but it's unclear.

I have met or heard or read anecdotes about numerous online poker players that I knew from online without knowing they were the same person. Someone has to tell you "By the way that's XYZ on PokerStars" or you won't know.

Was KJ a known forum user then? Did people in real life know him by his handle? Why have none of them ever come forward in 20 years or whatever it is (with the possible exception of this guy)?

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In the meantime, I was pretty sure you played blackjack.....

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I'll take that a step further. I'm pretty sure he even counts cards.

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Was KJ a known forum user then? Did people in real life know him by his handle? Why have none of them ever come forward in 20 years or whatever it is (with the possible exception of this guy)?

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I still don't know who HH is. Probably couldn't pick him out of a line up of 3, unless his face suddenly invoked memory of a previous meeting. But based in information I have learned today, we probably have a mutual friend/acquaintance. That is likely the answer to your question.

I don't think the guy should be questioned like he is on trial for simply saying he met or knew me 16-17 years ago. But if you do, then I guess you should ask him.

All this incident proved is that once again UNKewlJ lies at will but as badly as ever.

His credibility was actually better if that’s possible before this latest UNKewl fiasco.

Denialism runs deep here.

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Denialism runs deep here.

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"Deny, deflect, dismiss..." his playbook.

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Sorry, don't have time to read through all this crap

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Finkle this is the quintessential post of the thread where UNKewlJ's nonsense as usual came crashing around him:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post185919

and this post reiterates the same:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post185957

Read those two posts, you'll get it. The "it" being that UNKewlJ just got caught lying again. Beyond that, just repeated UNKewl burning rubber.

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Probably couldn't pick him out of a line up of 3.

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On the other hand...

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There's no doubt I have the right guy. Like I said, "I can pick you out of a police line up"

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Tbh given what a confirmed liar KJ is and his inability to state that he knows who this person is, even though he claims to have met KJ and seen him several times subsequently in LV (if I have that correctly), I don't think the story is true.

Whether HH actually believes it I have no idea.

Btw how would this guy even know he had met KJ? I don't claim it's impossible but it's unclear.

I have met or heard or read anecdotes about numerous online poker players that I knew from online without knowing they were the same person. Someone has to tell you "By the way that's XYZ on PokerStars" or you won't know.

Was KJ a known forum user then? Did people in real life know him by his handle? Why have none of them ever come forward in 20 years or whatever it is (with the possible exception of this guy)?

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:D the H.Hill guy claimed that UNKewlJ was a member of a hole carding team in Atlantic City before UNKewlJ even moved to Vegas.

But UNKewlJ's repeated posts at this forum over the years stated that his sole hole carding experience was on his own, never on a team, only after he moved to Vegas, and only playing for a single summer.

They should have met and conferred before tossing the nonsense out there. Not only do their stories not match, but neither do their timelines.


To try to clean all this up, UNKewlJ came yesterday with his usual "I lied to protect myself" nonsense, and then with some different lie today.

Which is why I say that all this did is shoot down UNKewlJ's credibility further.

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The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

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What is this fool talking about in post after post like a crazy person?

I moved to Las Vegas in Nov 2009. The guy claiming he met me in AC would have occurred in 2008. That was the year I did a bit of the activity, HCing mentioned. So, I don't know what the fuck Mdawg is referencing about 2012.

Doesn't even matter. Mdawg simply doesn't get that I have shared ONLY what I want to share. Same as other APs. We don't know everything mickeycrimm has ever done as an AP. We don't know everything Axelwolf has ever done as an AP. We know what they share and want us to know. We don't know anything that some of the other AP's have done as they share nothing. I share what I have wanted to share and it has mostly been some of my blackjack card counting journey.

I specifically wanted to share the card counting portion of what I have done as an AP. So I haven't talked much or in some cases at all of some of the other things I have done. And I certainly haven't talked about activities that involved other APs.

I am tired of wasting time with this nut job. And that is exactly what he is. He is completely obsessed with something he knows nothing about. And he proves he knows nothing about advantage play, or beating casinos (+EV play) almost everyday. What he knows is telling a story that just doesn't make sense, mathematically, nor the way Las Vegas and the casino industry actually works. And then trolling any real players that tell him that. He is a guy that gambles, loses (more than he wins) and gets comped. That is all he is. Nothing special. he is not the "Pope of Las Vegas" and he is not rainman.

Mdawg seriously, I am done wasting time with you and your trolling. I am sorry (not really) that myself and other real players calling out your bullshit, ruined whatever story you are trying to write or tell. THAT is your problem not mine. But I am tired of dealing with your fucking lunacy.

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It just comes down to that he just can't keep his mouth shut. The more he talks, the more he ends up in contradictory lies. He is incapable of telling the truth, his natural and immediate reaction is always...to lie.

And when he can't think of a decent lie ("obviously of limited intelligence" as many here have said), he just comes with the standard nonsensical, "I make things up regularly to protect myself."

Anyway, I've nailed the coffin shut on this one. To spend more time on it will no doubt result in finding more holes in the story, but, as we know,

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Anything requiring research with FraudJ is a complete waste of time.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Mdawg seriously, I am done wasting time with you.

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Another lie.

You're not "wasting time," KJ: feral dawgs NEED to be put down, and you've repeatedly knocked this tick-infested hound into the dirt.

*golf clap*

Sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Then, when the forum userbase turns out to be smarter than he expected and disproves some of his stories, we get the mea culpa that he wasn't telling the truth all along.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

by this point especially after the HunterHill fiasco, no one with any brains believes anything UNKewlJ has to say.

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I want to recap something here and this is in not going back on my vow not to waste any more time on Mdawg, because this involves many of the other AP and members here as well.

I am a solo card counter (not exclusively) advantage player. From the time I moved to Las Vegas 15 years ago, I have remained "private", not wanting to inter-mingle too much with other AP's of which Vegas has a whole group of. A couple times I considered it, but each time, decided against it. I know this has rubbed some of the APs the wrong way because they have said or indicated it. I am not sure why.

There is a reason for AP's to meet and socialize (I guess) if they are working together. Absent, that, let me go back to I came to Vegas to be a solo type player. Additionally, I see the results of APs getting together. Monet has completely trashed Axelwolf for years, revealing things about their meeting that had no business being revealed. He has posted physical descriptions of Axelwolf and posted what area he lives in. This all borders on doxing to me. Revealing information about an advantage player that he has not revealed himself. Monet later made reference to Zenking being Jewish. Again, borders on doxing to me. He reavealed information that could contribute to casinos and database identifying an AP.

15 years ago when I first joined Stanford Wong's forum BJ21, one of the older guys warned me not to trust other APs. He said "they will stab you in the back every chance they get" And I have seen this first hand now.

So a lot of members of this forum, trolls/haters and some APs have given me shit because I don't meet with or know other APs except in a few very selective cases. There have been many comments like "no one knows you", "no one can vouch for you". I have said nothing.

Well now someone has stepped forward claiming to have met and known me. It was 15 years ago in Atlantic City, and who he was is still coming into focus for me. Hunterhill is a longterm AP and member of WOV since 2011. Before I ever joined. I have been told privately who he is, who he has worked with and teamed with and it is impressive. So AP's, at least some in his circle know him and who he is, (better than I do).

And he is not the first. There was a well known AP that has run a top blackjack team for decades that a few years back posted at WoV that he came to Vegas looking for me, found me and watched me play. It was 10-12 years ago that he came to Vegas looking for me, but only 4-5 years ago that he posted the story at WoV.

So to those that have said "No one knows him". You now have that. And it seems you won't accept that either. (at least some of you). You can't have it both ways.

Nothing has changed for me. I am still a solo type advantage player playing Vegas and as such I don't intend to meet and socialize with other AP's just to have a beer and have them stab me in the back a short while later. Maybe some day, but not while I am an active player. I will continue to play solo and team occasionally with my very exclusive inner circle of my brother and one close AP friend.

I just wanted to point out that the criticism I have endured for several years now of "no one knows me", went out the window with HunterHill's revelation (which I didn't ask for and would have just as left him not say). The very thing you criticized me for happened and yet comments yesterday show that STILL doesn't satisfy some of you.

I do appreciate some of you as online friends, and even occasionally privately sharing something beneficial, but until my days working this town are done, I see no reason to join the AP socializing club. Risk/reward analysis: Too much Risk.

That is all. I have said my piece.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The very thing you criticized me for happened

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Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

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I still don't know who HH is.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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The very thing you criticized me for happened

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Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

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I still don't know who HH is.

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Yawn
I'm an honest straight shooter
I just tell it like it is with no insults or lying about who is gay
I didn't remember losing a bet to Boz
Then I sat back and thought about it
I finally remembered
That bet was way way before HH
Mdawg straight up lied about me.
If you are concerned with liars, Mdawg is an absolute 2 faced bald faced liar
How about going back to defending the decorum of this cesspool

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The very thing you criticized me for happened

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Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

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I still don't know who HH is.

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I can't say that I remember a "meeting" or introduction, or someone sticking out a hand and saying "Hi I am HunterHill" (or any other name). I don't recall THAT happening. But I did work with some other APs during the time frame mentioned and met (for lack of a better word) and knew some. Was he involved in that group/team in some way? I don't know. Was he involved with another group/team working the same area at the same time. I don't know. (probably a better possibility from what I now know)

But I don't think he pulled my involvement with that group at that exact time, out of thin air.

Lol @

"Well now someone has stepped forward claiming to have met and known me. It was 15 years ago in Atlantic City, and who he was is still coming into focus for me."

This is the cliched language screenwriters use to describe repressed memories or the recovery of amnesiacs.

You either recognize someone or you don't. It is not an ongoing days long process of "coming into focus".

What is such a process is crafting a story that you hope doesn't involve too many contradictions and doesn't involve commiting yourself to any detail that HH can later refute (when he figures out he has misidentified you, I suspect).

And of course this is all coming after the point had been raised that it seemed odd you should have no idea who he is while he claims to have actually met you and seen you subsequently several times.

It's fine though, you'll always have V.

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Originally Posted by terapinedtheskeptic

Mdawg straight up lied about me.

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What lie did he tell about you?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I can't say that I remember a "meeting"

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Did the meeting happen or not?

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Originally Posted by terapinedtheskeptic

I'm an honest straight shooter
I didn't remember losing a bet to Boz

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When did you forget about the bet? Immediately after the bet was lost?

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Lol @

"Well now someone has stepped forward claiming to have met and known me. It was 15 years ago in Atlantic City, and who he was is still coming into focus for me."

This is the cliched language screenwriters use to describe repressed memories or the recovery of amnesiacs.

You either recognize someone or you don't. It is not an ongoing days long process of "coming into focus".

What is such a process is crafting a story that you hope doesn't involve too many contradictions and doesn't involve commiting yourself to any detail that HH can later refute (when he figures out he has misidentified you, I suspect).

And of course this is all coming after the point had been raised that it seemed odd you should have no idea who he is while he claims to have actually met you and seen you subsequently several times.

It's fine though, you'll always have V.

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You are one of those denialism to the end guys I spoke of in an earlier post. Can't accept what it placed right in front of you, because you long ago made up your mind not to accept what you don't want to see and hear. That is on you, NOT me.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I can't say that I remember a "meeting"

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Did the meeting happen or not?

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It's an ongoing process, much therapy will be needed before it is possible to answer this question.

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Originally Posted by terapinedtheskeptic

Mdawg straight up lied about me.

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What lie did he tell about you?

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I'm not going to repeat the bald faced lie
Mdawg is a liar
You don't know it because you are not me
I know myself
Mdawg is a bald faced liar.
I'm a straight shooter
I'm not going to lie about Mdawg being a liar lol

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I can't say that I remember a "meeting"

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Did the meeting happen or not?

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It's an ongoing process, much therapy will be needed before it is possible to answer this question.

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I didn't remember I lost a bet to Boz
I remembered
Your point?

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Did the meeting happen or not?

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It's an ongoing process, much therapy will be needed before it is possible to answer this question.

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I didn't remember I lost a bet to Boz
I remembered
Your point?

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Is it still coming into focus for you?

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Is it still coming into focus for you?

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Why are you mocking this term? What are you a fucking idiot? Don't answer. The answer is obvious.

I received information as the day went on yesterday from not one but several people (one very credible) that shed some light on the situation and how and why it came to be that HH and I crossed paths 16 years ago. What is so fucking hard to understand about that? Except that you don't want to understand. You want to troll.

God you have turned into a fucking troll no different than a coach belly.

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Originally Posted by terapinedtheskeptic

Mdawg straight up lied about me.

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What lie did he tell about you?

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I'm not going to repeat the bald faced lie
Mdawg is a liar
You don't know it because you are not me
I know myself
Mdawg is a bald faced liar.
I'm a straight shooter
I'm not going to lie about Mdawg being a liar lol

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I know Ed fairly well, and I have done a few buissness deals and AP stuff with him. He was always on time, reliable, more than fair, competent, and very easygoing/ easy to deal with, he did a great job with good results and the numbers were always correct. I never worried one bit if I was going to get pied, and he maintained good communication. He is the kind of guy I would trust with the keys to my house and to hold bankroll money.

Im 100% confident he wouldn't purposely dodge a bet and he had no ill intentions. All the same goes for Boz(Perhphs not the easygoing part :D:D.)

I hope to do stuff with both of them in the future if the opportunities should arise.

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Is it still coming into focus for you?

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Why are you mocking this term? What are you a fucking idiot? Don't answer. The answer is obvious.

I received information as the day went on yesterday from not one but several people (one very credible) that shed some light on the situation and how and why it came to be that HH and I crossed paths 16 years ago. What is so fucking hard to understand about that? Except that you don't want to understand. You want to troll.

God you have turned into a fucking troll no different than a coach belly.

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So of the several people that privately contacted you to explain how it was that HH had met you, which they remembered but you did not, one was "very credible".

Well that's reassuring. But I wonder about these less credible people that contacted you to explain to you how you had met HH 16 years ago. Can they really be trusted? Maybe they were gaslighting you into believing you had met HH when in fact you had not!

The mind boggles at the possibilities.

Hopefully over the coming days as it comes further into focus for you you will be able to sort it all out.

My challenge still stand, and I'll pony up 5ks risk free cake if the kewl-J will arrange the demonstration to show us his prowess-ability to count multiple table, at the same times, hey hey.

I'll leave it to you guys to debate the details of what kind of limits, time spent, and overall profits, but I don't think it's a stretch to believe that KJ has/does make money at Blackjack. I would have to say it's much more likely than not.

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My challenge still stand, and I'll pony up 5ks risk free cake if the kewl-J will arrange the demonstration to show us his prowess-ability to count multiple table, at the same times, hey hey.

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How accurate does the count have to be? Someone might not have an exact count and miss a few cards, however, you can disregard unknown cards and still know you should change your focus to that table. I don't think he ever claimed that he's sitting there keeping a perfect count on two tables at once consistently. It's just something someone uses when the opportunity arises to help increase their EV.

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I don't think it's a stretch to believe that KJ has/does make money at Blackjack.

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If for no other reason than it would be a shame to know so much about counting but never put it into action.

I also challenge the even-bob/spike to prove his roulettes style but he wouldn't pony up, either, hey hey.

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Im 100% confident he wouldn't purposely dodge a bet

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He wrote that he forgot about the bet.

Yeah right, then it came into focus after he got called a piece of shit welcher on this forum.

Is that a legit reason not to pay a lost bet..."I forgot"?

I asked how long after the bet lost did he forget?

What reason could there be to not settle up before you forget, or can even claim that you forgot?

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I'm a straight shooter

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqKFPWC9RYI

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I don't think it's a stretch to believe that KJ has/does make money at Blackjack.

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If for no other reason than it would be a shame to know so much about counting but never put it into action.

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How hard is it to count cards.
I'm a total ploppie
Yet even I counted cards
It's really not that hard. Even a caveman could count cards lol
I made the minimum bet at the El Cortez
When I had a good count, I just doubled my minimum bet. It was kind of fun and just did it for the experience.
I remember one guy that sat at my table and went big when the count went positive
The pit boss went through the discard deck
1st time I saw that
I got up to leave. I felt uncomfortable that the pit boss was looking at a game I myself was playing
Maybe that was kewlj

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I'm a straight shooter

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Oh I'm a total looney lol
But
I'm not a baldfaced liar like Mdawg

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My challenge still stand, and I'll pony up 5ks risk free cake if the kewl-J will arrange the demonstration to show us his prowess-ability to count multiple table, at the same times, hey hey.

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How accurate does the count have to be? Someone might not have an exact count and miss a few cards, however, you can disregard unknown cards and still know you should change your focus to that table. I don't think he ever claimed that he's sitting there keeping a perfect count on two tables at once consistently. It's just something someone uses when the opportunity arises to help increase their EV.

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EXACTLY.

It is not ideal but missing a card, or even several cards, because your view is blocked or because you had to act on your hand and couldn't get a look at the second table at just the right time, really has little effect. It is equivalent to if that card or couple cards missed were behind the cut card, increasing the penetration just slightly.

Take you "spotters" on a card counting team. they often are tracking multiple tables, 3,4 sometimes more, looking for the best count. They may miss a card here or there or even mis-read a card because it often at some distance. It really has little effect. Stanford wong did extensive work in this area.

And that is all tracking a second table is. Almost the exact same as the spotter situation except you are playing one table and "spotting" or tracking the second.

Unfortunately this technique is almost non existent now, because of few tables (more carnival games). There are a few good places where tables are set in a manner it can be done. South Point for one. ya know, if you are a player that can play there. ;)

But really it is almost gone now. Finding a casino set up just right, with other conditions just right is like finding a FP VP machine. rarer and rarer.

BUT if you can, it really adds to your EV. Not quite double but close.

terapined, it is good to see you sticking around, weathering the round of BULLSHIT that these asshats are hurling at you.

This is how these insufferable dolts work: no worries, just stay the course and laugh at 'em like I do.

In the end, as we all should know, "It don't mean nothin', just words on a screen."

Verbal jousting with these trolls does help assuage one's "itch" for combat and confrontation, there is that.

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My challenge still stand, and I'll pony up 5ks risk free cake if the kewl-J will arrange the demonstration to show us his prowess-ability to count multiple table, at the same times, hey hey.

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How accurate does the count have to be? Someone might not have an exact count and miss a few cards, however, you can disregard unknown cards and still know you should change your focus to that table. I don't think he ever claimed that he's sitting there keeping a perfect count on two tables at once consistently. It's just something someone uses when the opportunity arises to help increase their EV.

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EXACTLY.

It is not ideal but missing a card, or even several cards, because your view is blocked or because you had to act on your hand and couldn't get a look at the second table at just the right time, really has little effect. It is equivalent to if that card or couple cards missed were behind the cut card, increasing the penetration just slightly.

Take you "spotters" on a card counting team. they often are tracking multiple tables, 3,4 sometimes more, looking for the best count. They may miss a card here or there or even mis-read a card because it often at some distance. It really has little effect. Stanford wong did extensive work in this area.

And that is all tracking a second table is. Almost the exact same as the spotter situation except you are playing one table and "spotting" or tracking the second.

Unfortunately this technique is almost non existent now, because of few tables (more carnival games). There are a few good places where tables are set in a manner it can be done. South Point for one. ya know, if you are a player that can play there. ;)

But really it is almost gone now. Finding a casino set up just right, with other conditions just right is like finding a FP VP machine. rarer and rarer.

BUT if you can, it really adds to your EV. Not quite double but close.

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You keep forgetting that you denied SP was where your alleged backrooming took place.

Of course at first you suggested it was, then when MaxPen searched the online court records and no suit or settlement involving SP turned up, you claimed it had all been misdirection.

Then subsequently several times you forgot your story had changed and made reference to being barred from SP.


Let me anticipate your response - Oh you were trespassed there for some other incident. Which of course will not be consistent with what you have said about your limited experiences with heat previously.