Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

My gut tells me this show is never going to happen. Just because it has been drug out so long. I mean it is a call in show done remotely. If both parties wanted to do it it would have been done by now. Instead we get Redietz wanting specific dates so he can fly to Las Vegas, for a phone in show, and he is even talking about having invited guests in his hotel room for the call in show. Like everything with this guy, it has just become creepy and weird.

THAT said, I honestly hope it does come off and Red is able to account himself in a way that leaves no doubt as to who he is and what he has accomplished. I am hoping for that because my initial impression was that he was more or less being honest. I am not sure why he goes into all that 1983 shit though? :confused:

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

The second BIG red flag for me was his comments on EV. THAT one is hard to dismiss.

And #3, has been his recently, like last 6 months or so, getting so damned defensive and attacking APs with all the Leonardo da AP shit.

But again, I sincerely hope some of these things are just him being an old school sports bettor and doing things much differently than AP's do, in these modern times. I honestly would like confirmation that my initial read of him was correct, just for my own satisfaction.

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Once again, the KewlJ(s) paraphrase stuff without quotes because the quotes, if presented in full, would not say what KewlJ(s) paraphrases suggest. In other words, the KewlJ(s) summaries are, as are most of his stories, primarily bullshit. KewlJ thinks he's an expert. He's an expert on bullshitting; that's about it.

Yeah, those "EV" comments are real red flags. That's probably why, in my first conversation with Munchkin, he agreed with my stance of using "EV" in past tense as in "The 'EV' was" and not in the future tense, because there is no sports betting "EV" (outside of arbitrage and middles shooting) that isn't personal opinion as opposed to math.

I have had zero issues with a call-in show at any time. While I think it would be great entertainment to have me and Axelwolf calling in together from an LV hotel room for ambience, or me eviscerating the KewlJ(s) in person with his "I'll bet 50 things a night while working off bonuses" bullshit, I'll settle for droning on alone if need be. A solo conversation seems almost gentle, you know, positive "EV" and all that.

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Originally Posted by redietz

While I think it would be great entertainment to have me and Axelwolf calling in together from an LV hotel room

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Yes it would be great.

Challenge the little prick to show up, he likes to throw challenges around, and meet people from the forums.

Then you too can whine about it for months when he doesn't respond or declines.

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

My gut tells me this show is never going to happen. Just because it has been drug out so long. I mean it is a call in show done remotely. If both parties wanted to do it it would have been done by now. Instead we get Redietz wanting specific dates so he can fly to Las Vegas, for a phone in show, and he is even talking about having invited guests in his hotel room for the call in show. Like everything with this guy, it has just become creepy and weird.

THAT said, I honestly hope it does come off and Red is able to account himself in a way that leaves no doubt as to who he is and what he has accomplished. I am hoping for that because my initial impression was that he was more or less being honest. I am not sure why he goes into all that 1983 shit though? :confused:

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

The second BIG red flag for me was his comments on EV. THAT one is hard to dismiss.

And #3, has been his recently, like last 6 months or so, getting so damned defensive and attacking APs with all the Leonardo da AP shit.

But again, I sincerely hope some of these things are just him being an old school sports bettor and doing things much differently than AP's do, in these modern times. I honestly would like confirmation that my initial read of him was correct, just for my own satisfaction.

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Someone pointed this out to me but he also avoids the better forums that have real sports bettors. Instead he posts on forums like this that do not attract actual sharp sports bettors outside of APs giving it a go for over whatever edge. He doesn't seem to exist on the sports betting forums. There is a ton of red flags here. He wants to dox people to have leverage to make them shut-up.

I tend to believe it won't happen. I believed this soon after this became a thing and Redietz went into his bag of smoke grenades.

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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This chart needs another flow direction where the tout is Jontay Porter.

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

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Originally Posted by mcap

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

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You are, of course, correct (as most anonymous online expert gamblers are). As someone who has either the best or second best lifetime record ATS in The Wise Guys Contest (which I retired from in 2023, not 1990, by the way), I clearly am out of my depth. Picking two games ATS a week for 30 years, with those games appearing on national newsstands, has no validity whatsoever.

And yes, Sheldon, that's sarcasm.

You guys are a trip. Do you really think market lingo has been imported and adopted in sports gambling because the books DON'T WANT it? C'mon, have some brains.

The combination of arrogance, naivete, and the willingness to believe people who are not tracked by third parties...not sure what to make of it. It's an odd confluence. Here's a simple gambling rule -- if you are presented with two alternatives, and (A) says winning is easy, requiring basic math skills, and no, we have no long-term, third-party tracking, and (B) says winning is hard, achieved by less than 1% of the population, and winning requires more than basic math skills, and yes, we have third-party historical tracking of results, which proponent do you think is more likely to be telling the truth, (A) or (B)?

You’re going into lengthy paragraphs to discredit shit that no one ever ducking by claimed and ignoring/sidestepping the issues.

Never did I claim to be a gambling expert. As Account pointed out you do everything you have a pattern of doing everything you can to avoid interacting with those so you can claim your faux authority. Fucking retard.

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Originally Posted by mcap

You’re going into lengthy paragraphs to discredit shit that no one ever ducking by claimed and ignoring/sidestepping the issues.

Never did I claim to be a gambling expert. As Account pointed out you do everything you have a pattern of doing everything you can to avoid interacting with those so you can claim your faux authority. Fucking retard.

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That was some response, mcap. Have you considered an English 101 course? My bad, of course, if English is your second language. If that's the case, I apologize in advance.

Yeah, I'm avoiding all interactions. That's why I'm posting under my real name, gave out my email and phone number, offered to be on the show regardless of locale or time, and offered to have some debunkers on the show just to help expose my general ignorance. Probably also why I've been monitored for 30 years, with my ATS record in print in annual publications and weekly publications.

It's all because I'm avoiding exposure so as to prop up my faux authority.

I promised I wouldn't name drop again, but what the hell. Yeah, this is why Billy Walters hired me. because he lacks the resources, experience, and sophistication to separate faux authority from expertise.

That's the ticket.

A lot of condescending paragraphs to never once address any issues brought up.

Maybe you can have your good friend and associate Billy can come vouch for your current expertise? Or you can just continually throw the name out there and parallel all the "I played on the MIT team" blackjack scammers.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

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And there goes another smoke grenade.

Can never answer any question - even those of minimal difficulty. Spends 5x as much effort trying to paint himself as some high-level expert as he does answering simple questions.

Refers in vague terms as to how wrong everyone is and the obviousness of it all to him. Yet, he never answers.

Just more signs .. whatever.. Maybe we'll get a show but I seriously doubt it.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mcap

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

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You are, of course, correct (as most anonymous online expert gamblers are). As someone who has either the best or second best lifetime record ATS in The Wise Guys Contest (which I retired from in 2023, not 1990, by the way), I clearly am out of my depth. Picking two games ATS a week for 30 years, with those games appearing on national newsstands, has no validity whatsoever.

And yes, Sheldon, that's sarcasm.

You guys are a trip. Do you really think market lingo has been imported and adopted in sports gambling because the books DON'T WANT it? C'mon, have some brains.

The combination of arrogance, naivete, and the willingness to believe people who are not tracked by third parties...not sure what to make of it. It's an odd confluence. Here's a simple gambling rule -- if you are presented with two alternatives, and (A) says winning is easy, requiring basic math skills, and no, we have no long-term, third-party tracking, and (B) says winning is hard, achieved by less than 1% of the population, and winning requires more than basic math skills, and yes, we have third-party historical tracking of results, which proponent do you think is more likely to be telling the truth, (A) or (B)?

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Winning is very rarely easy - it is extremely dependent on the lines you have available and how willing the book is to let you keep betting.

You - being a sports contest bettor never really had to learn when not to bet. Meaning you never really had to learn EV. Now you're stuck eating mud pies on a forum populated by weirdos and sharp bettors.

Which side are you on? ;)

You're not tracked by third parties. You go out of your way to obsfucate all your picks through some third party comic book character.

Apparently you were tracked to some degree at some point in the past but that was a far different time when lines would have been considerably weaker. You want to be arrogant - point this out.

.. Except I don't think you realize it.

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Originally Posted by redietz

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

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Yes, let us inject some "reality" into the equation.

Those wishing to learn more about you and any services you offer would want to view your web site first, before deciding whether to contact you.

What is the link to your web site?

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Where did you get the idea that I’m going to be on the show?

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You're not?

What's the point, then?

Just listening to him explain himself the same way he has before will add nothing new: somehow I got the idea that the two of you would be on together, discussing contrarian viewpoints.

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What contrarian viewpoints? If I'm on PFA radio I will talk about slots and video poker, maybe some memories of live poker. That's my area, not sportsbetting.

As far as redietz goes, I've just about lost interest. My main interest was getting his views on the term EV out into the public. So many noted sportsbettors use the term and base their betting in it. The ones that do have math backgrounds. redietz doesn't have a math background so I can see why he poopoos it.

But I think everyone should start submitting questions now, in this thread, to turn over to Druff. If anyone has a question then please post it. We'll see how much interest there is in this interview.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

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Redietz was trolling on the issue of identity, unless he was trying to gain someone's identity to cause that person grief. The Ditz knows perfectly well why Billy Walters did not walk into the casinos and make the bets himself. They wouldn't take Walters action if he did that. So by using beards Walters hid the fact that it was him making the bets. And Walters kept his identity as a professional sports bettor hidden from the public for decades.

I remember when GWAE was going to have Michael Konik on the show. Konik wrote the book, Smart Money, about an anonymous professional sports bettor that was making millions. Dancer was interested in who this person was. People would make guesses all the time. But Konik would just say "I can neither confirm nor deny that's the person." Konik acually became a Walters beard.

The week before the interview I seen a 60 Minutes piece on Billy Walters who I had never heard of. I emailed Dancer and said I think we found our guy that the Smart Money book was based on. Dancer watched the interview and concluded the same. But when he asked Konik about it on the show he got the "I can neither confirm nor deny" treatment.

Redietz knows full well why Walters hid his identity for so long. He's just fucking with AP's. It was that 60 Minutes interview that Walters gained worldwide fame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02DV...Vydmlldw%3D%3D

Dancer article on Michael Konik:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...UB2ZAWRMmGCfJo

GWAE interview of Michael Konik:
http://slot-machine-resource.com/pod...2011-02-24.mp3

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

But I think everyone should start submitting questions now, in this thread, to turn over to Druff. If anyone has a question then please post it.

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Ok, well I would like to know what kind of money is associated with winning or even placing high in these contests that Red is constantly throwing at us? Is it significant money that if a player wins a contest every couple years and places high in a couple more, they can make a living doing so? Or is the prize money minor and the main value some sort of bragging rights which become a tool in soliciting "clients" into some sort of tout business?

It seems like Redietz hangs on to documentation of winning or doing well in some contests from 40 years ago, like it is gold. Maybe in the tout business it is. :rolleyes:

And of course my primary question remains: If a person has the ability to pick winners at a rate that overcomes the Vig....+EV.....long-term, then why would he need to sell his picks to clients or investors? Why not just pick winners. Seems to me that is what a real professional sports bettor would be doing. Betting and winning.

And I guess the follow up to my primary question would be, if you are running some sort of tout service selling picks, and your picks were winning picks, making money for your "clients", why would you need new clients every year? Wouldn't those clients flock back year after year? Doesn't needing new clients indicate that your "service" is not really picking winners?

Note: These questions are submitted by a non professional in the field of sports betting. Just an AP that does some bonus whoring as part of his overall advantage play experience

Just to be clear what I am suggesting. If you enter enough of these contests, you can then cherry pick a couple that you did well to use as a tool to solicit people to a tout type business. And of course the contests you didn't do well aren't mentioned. :rolleyes:

Is this really sports betting? Or some sort of marketing of something that just happens to be sports picks?

Of course what do I know? Red has a journalism degree from what used to be The Pennsylvania Farmers High School, now Penn State.

The more and more he types you realize the more and more this show ain't happenin.

Thats a wrap.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

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And there goes another smoke grenade.

Can never answer any question - even those of minimal difficulty. Spends 5x as much effort trying to paint himself as some high-level expert as he does answering simple questions.

Refers in vague terms as to how wrong everyone is and the obviousness of it all to him. Yet, he never answers.

Just more signs .. whatever.. Maybe we'll get a show but I seriously doubt it.

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Honestly, if you can't figure out the problems with the chart (and the problems with the language in the chart), well, good luck with that. Just call into the show and ask so I can appear brilliant. I appreciate being propped up by maroons. Just please don't open the question with, "I'm a maroon." We'll keep that between us. I need to look good.

Now everyone can debate whether (1) I'm ducking the show and (2) whether account should call in with the chart. I'll help you with (1). Does it sound to you like I'm ducking the show? Use your "AP" instincts to figure that out.

Q: How much / what percentage of sports betting is based on skill as opposed to luck? Can this be quantified into the form of a mathematical equation?

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Originally Posted by redietz

I have had zero issues with a call-in show at any time. While I think it would be great entertainment to have me and Axelwolf calling in together from an LV hotel room for ambience, or me eviscerating the KewlJ(s) in person with his "I'll bet 50 things a night while working off bonuses" bullshit, I'll settle for droning on alone if need be. A solo conversation seems almost gentle, you know, positive "EV" and all that.

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I don't know the next time I will be in Vegas, it won't be any time soon, it could be 6+ months unless something unusual comes up.

Hopefully, the show will happen soon because as soon as I start building and whatnot, I won't have much time for jacking around, especially then the fishing season starts up and the weather starts getting better.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Q: How much / what percentage of sports betting is based on skill as opposed to luck? Can this be quantified into the form of a mathematical equation?

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Yay. A reasonable question, and not from an "AP!"

When you put aside arbitraging, bonus exploitation, and middles shooting, the actual handicapping results of individual games can be quite "luck dependent." Now I can only speak to college football, at which I'm expert, but in college football, I have certain formulas that determine who should have or which team deserved to cover a particular game. These formulas are dependent, in part, on what style of offense is being employed and what style of defense as to how likely representative a particular subset of plays (in other words, a game) is to being representative of a limitless number of games.

My personal history, after 50 years of applying these formulas, is that about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do. What that means, in essence, is that if you are correct in profiling the statistics of a game within parameters that should yield a win, you will win about 70% of the time. This means, if you profiled every game correctly (which of course no one does and no one comes close), you would win 70% of the ATS wagers, more or less. Now a handicapper who really, really knows his teams is likely to be right about his profiling of the game maybe 70% of the time, so he'll win ATS 70% of that 70%, which would yield 49% or thereabouts. A loser, in other words, However, since he will win 30% of the 30% of games he profiles incorrectly, that will yield 9% additional winners, which adds up to roughly 58%, which is about the ceiling for what an astute, in-touch handicapper could achieve long-term in a particular sport.

The interesting aspect of this is that I'm sure poker players reading this feel the correlative vibes. When poker players in hold 'em games have a higher pair versus a lower pair, they win 80% of the time (although they did everything right if they get the other player all-in, they do not win 100% of the time). An AK versus an AQ, considered a dominant hand, wins roughly two-thirds of the time. So the "luck" factor in poker unfolds over the course of a hand in similar ratios to the "luck" component of handicapping unfolding over the course of a three-hour football game. Just an interesting aside, but it helps non-handicappers get a feel for the limits of handicapping.

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When poker players in hold 'em games have a higher pair versus a lower pair, they win 80% of the time (although they did everything right if they get the other player all-in, they do not win 100% of the time). An AK versus an AQ, considered a dominant hand, wins roughly two-thirds of the time. So the "luck" factor in poker unfolds over the course of a hand in similar ratios to the "luck" component of handicapping unfolding over the course of a three-hour football game. Just an interesting aside, but it helps non-handicappers get a feel for the limits of handicapping.

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AI much?

A"In Texas Hold'em, a higher pair has a significant advantage over a lower pair, typically winning around 80% of the time

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Originally Posted by redietz

When poker players in hold 'em games have a higher pair versus a lower pair, they win 80% of the time (although they did everything right if they get the other player all-in, they do not win 100% of the time). An AK versus an AQ, considered a dominant hand, wins roughly two-thirds of the time. So the "luck" factor in poker unfolds over the course of a hand in similar ratios to the "luck" component of handicapping unfolding over the course of a three-hour football game. Just an interesting aside, but it helps non-handicappers get a feel for the limits of handicapping.

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AI much?

A"In Texas Hold'em, a higher pair has a significant advantage over a lower pair, typically winning around 80% of the time

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In his whole reply he said near nothing.

ATS betting has the same basic luck as flipping a coin. Go read about that.

Betting ML makes variance go way up.
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Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

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And there goes another smoke grenade.

Can never answer any question - even those of minimal difficulty. Spends 5x as much effort trying to paint himself as some high-level expert as he does answering simple questions.

Refers in vague terms as to how wrong everyone is and the obviousness of it all to him. Yet, he never answers.

Just more signs .. whatever.. Maybe we'll get a show but I seriously doubt it.

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Honestly, if you can't figure out the problems with the chart (and the problems with the language in the chart), well, good luck with that. Just call into the show and ask so I can appear brilliant. I appreciate being propped up by maroons. Just please don't open the question with, "I'm a maroon." We'll keep that between us. I need to look good.

Now everyone can debate whether (1) I'm ducking the show and (2) whether account should call in with the chart. I'll help you with (1). Does it sound to you like I'm ducking the show? Use your "AP" instincts to figure that out.

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I didn't mention the chart. I replied to your post. I don't care about the chart because I understand the tout system quite well, thank you.

You've been talking about being on a single lousy podcast for years now. What should someone's instincts tell them? duh.

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My personal history, after 50 years of applying these formulas, is that about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do.

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This statement is just golden. 50 years now of this expertise. Aren't you still shy of 70 Redietz? That would put you beginning to apply these formulas at just about the time you were starting over at the Pennsylvania Farmers high school college with your perfect SAT scores and genius IQ. Amazing.

But it is the "about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do" comment that is even more amazing. To put it in Farmers terms for ya....what manure. :rolleyes:


You know how I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking?" I have to admit Red, you fooled me for a long time. For a long time I really thought you know what you were talking about. I no longer do. And that "fooling me" was on me 100%. It was a subject matter, sports betting, that I didn't have a lot of knowledge about. My bad.

I now believe you have made money as a tout. Marketing sports picks. I don't consider that a professional sports bettor. Take away the touting side of it and you are under water lifetime, just like the rest of us, aren't you? Yeah you have won a couple contests along the way and finished top 5 or 10 in others, but none of that made you a lifelong winner financially did it. It just became a tool, to use in selling a service.

Disappointing.

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Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

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You are, of course, correct (as most anonymous online expert gamblers are). As someone who has either the best or second best lifetime record ATS in The Wise Guys Contest (which I retired from in 2023, not 1990, by the way), I clearly am out of my depth. Picking two games ATS a week for 30 years, with those games appearing on national newsstands, has no validity whatsoever.

And yes, Sheldon, that's sarcasm.

You guys are a trip. Do you really think market lingo has been imported and adopted in sports gambling because the books DON'T WANT it? C'mon, have some brains.

The combination of arrogance, naivete, and the willingness to believe people who are not tracked by third parties...not sure what to make of it. It's an odd confluence. Here's a simple gambling rule -- if you are presented with two alternatives, and (A) says winning is easy, requiring basic math skills, and no, we have no long-term, third-party tracking, and (B) says winning is hard, achieved by less than 1% of the population, and winning requires more than basic math skills, and yes, we have third-party historical tracking of results, which proponent do you think is more likely to be telling the truth, (A) or (B)?

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You are not in Rufus Peabody's league.

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The interesting aspect of this is that I'm sure poker players reading this feel the correlative vibes. When poker players in hold 'em games have a higher pair versus a lower pair, they win 80% of the time (although they did everything right if they get the other player all-in, they do not win 100% of the time). An AK versus an AQ, considered a dominant hand, wins roughly two-thirds of the time. So the "luck" factor in poker unfolds over the course of a hand in similar ratios to the "luck" component of handicapping unfolding over the course of a three-hour football game. Just an interesting aside, but it helps non-handicappers get a feel for the limits of handicapping.

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Professionals call it "variance." Amateurs call it "luck."

As you can see the Ditz just keeps on with the bullshit. You have to ask yourself why does the Ditz waste his time here when he could be flying high with "his peers." You know, professional sports bettors. Have you ever seen a debate between Ditz and a real professional sports bettor? It looks to me he avoids them like the plague.

No matter all this stuff he talks about "opinion" he can't get around the fact that Billy Walters published a handicapping system that is purely mathematical.

Opinion is just another word for hunch. As Amarillo Slim said, hunches are for two dogs fucking.

Another question for radio show, if it ever happens:

Is Billy Walters mathematical system for sports betting bullshit or not? Was Walters misleading the public?

I feel like being in Vegas does make the interview better and there isn't a reason to be so critical. I'm not going to read a month of nonsense to say this.

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My personal history, after 50 years of applying these formulas, is that about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do.

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This statement is just golden. 50 years now of this expertise. Aren't you still shy of 70 Redietz? That would put you beginning to apply these formulas at just about the time you were starting over at the Pennsylvania Farmers high school college with your perfect SAT scores and genius IQ. Amazing.

But it is the "about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do" comment that is even more amazing. To put it in Farmers terms for ya....what manure. :rolleyes:


You know how I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking?" I have to admit Red, you fooled me for a long time. For a long time I really thought you know what you were talking about. I no longer do. And that "fooling me" was on me 100%. It was a subject matter, sports betting, that I didn't have a lot of knowledge about. My bad.

I now believe you have made money as a tout. Marketing sports picks. I don't consider that a professional sports bettor. Take away the touting side of it and you are under water lifetime, just like the rest of us, aren't you? Yeah you have won a couple contests along the way and finished top 5 or 10 in others, but none of that made you a lifelong winner financially did it. It just became a tool, to use in selling a service.

Disappointing.

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LOL. Do you have idea what you're talking about?

I'm going to print and frame your post.

For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

It's hard to be underwater and claim otherwise when your plays are published every week for thousands of people to see.

I appreciate the KewlJ(s) lying in almost every post, but this post was special. I know others have said this a long time ago, but something is wrong with KewlJ. It's not that he lies about this and that all the time. It's that he thinks anyone would believe him that's the weird part. Like he's the hero of his own story, which is a hard thing to pull off when you're anonymous and what you're posting makes no sense.

And MDawg, feel free to quote me. I know, I know, I hate to give Argentino credit with his "wires loose" comments, but there is something really wrong with the this KewlJ guy. Not that he lies, but that his lies don't even make any sense in the real world. I mean, think about the weirdness of it. A guy who posts on forums for years is completely anonymous, has made up provably fictional stories, and provides zero corroboration of anything ever. And he decides a real person, posting under an actual name, who has been documented by third parties in print for decades, must have somehow what? Rigged all the documentation? By half a dozen different professional publications for decades?

As I said, I'll frame this post. If anything sums up KewlJ's problems, it was this post.

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For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

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Show us proof of your results in these contests. And please, don't give us the "contact so and so and ask them" treatment or "look up this, look up that." Don't give us any shit about copyright law. As a journalist you know you don't have to use the same format. Post up the results of these contests you supposedly won.

You have challenged others to "post up proof" many times. It's your turn in the barrel.

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redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

https://x.com/RufusPeabody/status/1111031521878642688

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Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

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Do you realize that this chart is satirical?

It’s tongue in cheek, not an actual scientific guide for analyzing sports touts.

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As you can see the Ditz just keeps on with the bullshit. You have to ask yourself why does the Ditz waste his time here when he could be flying high with "his peers." You know, professional sports bettors. Have you ever seen a debate between Ditz and a real professional sports bettor? It looks to me he avoids them like the plague.

No matter all this stuff he talks about "opinion" he can't get around the fact that Billy Walters published a handicapping system that is purely mathematical.

Opinion is just another word for hunch. As Amarillo Slim said, hunches are for two dogs fucking.

Another question for radio show, if it ever happens:

Is Billy Walters mathematical system for sports betting bullshit or not? In redietz opinion, does it work?

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Mickey, you are out of your depth. Seriously, as in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a fine book). You're not even framing your own question properly.

And I'll take you to task for misleading anyone reading your post. Walters doesn't posit "a mathematical system for sports betting." He goes into specifics for the NFL, which is not "sports betting." The specifics he discusses have elements that are no longer valid because, guess what, the stats are (1) dated and (2) don't adjust for the effects of rule changes, which are actually a big deal. I'm not saying that Mr. Walters didn't incorporate the effects of rule changes in his own betting (of course he did); I'm saying that the info you're getting in the book doesn't come close to comprehensively reviewing the history of the data.

Do you really, stupidly think Mr. Walters gave you some fabulously useful tips on how to win at "sports betting" in the book? C'mon, man, as they say on ESPN. He gave you some dated tips on how to win at the NFL, which is not really how he made his money, because the NFL is actually one of, if not the, most difficult sports at which to win. You'll see quotes about large NFL bets in the book, but no long term breakdown of which sports provided how much income compared to each other. The absence of these kinds of comparisons or summaries is obvious and startling.

The power rating stuff you get a taste of in the book is barely one step above GamePlan Magazine's power ratings, which I followed and adjusted since I was 13 or 14.

Mickey has very little idea what he's talking about, which is fine. Can you imagine, however, if I decided I was a master of advantage slots and mickey needed to listen to me? Fortunately, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to be a Leonardo Da AP.

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I feel like being in Vegas does make the interview better and there isn't a reason to be so critical. I'm not going to read a month of nonsense to say this.

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How so?

If it were a studio type radio show interview...sure. But it is not. It is a call in show. Druff from Southern California or where ever he happens to be and Red wherever he happens to be. Even if we were to see a video of the interview, if Druff is in SoCal and Red in a hotel at say Golden Nugget, how does that make it "better"? If he opens the curtains, you can see the Fremont experience canopy? ;)

On the contrary, it seems absolutely bizarre to me that Redietz would fly to Las Vegas to do a call-in interview from a hotel room in Vegas.

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My personal history, after 50 years of applying these formulas, is that about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do.

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This statement is just golden. 50 years now of this expertise. Aren't you still shy of 70 Redietz? That would put you beginning to apply these formulas at just about the time you were starting over at the Pennsylvania Farmers high school college with your perfect SAT scores and genius IQ. Amazing.

But it is the "about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do" comment that is even more amazing. To put it in Farmers terms for ya....what manure. :rolleyes:


You know how I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking?" I have to admit Red, you fooled me for a long time. For a long time I really thought you know what you were talking about. I no longer do. And that "fooling me" was on me 100%. It was a subject matter, sports betting, that I didn't have a lot of knowledge about. My bad.

I now believe you have made money as a tout. Marketing sports picks. I don't consider that a professional sports bettor. Take away the touting side of it and you are under water lifetime, just like the rest of us, aren't you? Yeah you have won a couple contests along the way and finished top 5 or 10 in others, but none of that made you a lifelong winner financially did it. It just became a tool, to use in selling a service.

Disappointing.

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LOL. Do you have idea what you're talking about?

I'm going to print and frame your post.

For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

It's hard to be underwater and claim otherwise when your plays are published every week for thousands of people to see.

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Ok, so give us a figure then. What kind of money have you made in your 50 years <-:D, of being a professional sports bettor. Money from wagering on sports and contests. Not money from marketing a service.

These third party monitors that you talk about.....that is only important so you can then use that information to solicit new suckers....I mean clients. It really changes nothing about your ability to pick winners. You only keep copies of all that shit, some from 40 years ago, so you can pull it out to try to recruit new clients. "Look I finished in second place in the 1984 pixadaisy contest."

Your business and money you have made from sports betting has come from marketing and soliciting, not from picking winners, as near as I can tell. That is NOT a professional sports bettor. That is a marketing sports picker, marketing a service.

You are free to prove me wrong. I am trying to keep an open mind, but it is becoming harder and harder. (that's what she said -- Michael Scott)

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For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

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Show us proof of your results in these contests. And please, don't give us the "contact so and so and ask them" treatment or "look up this, look up that." Don't give us any shit about copyright law. As a journalist you know you don't have to use the same format. Post up the results of these contests you supposedly won.

You have challenged others to "post up proof" many times. It's your turn in the barrel.

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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This statement is just golden. 50 years now of this expertise. Aren't you still shy of 70 Redietz? That would put you beginning to apply these formulas at just about the time you were starting over at the Pennsylvania Farmers high school college with your perfect SAT scores and genius IQ. Amazing.

But it is the "about 70% of college football teams that "deserve" to cover actually do" comment that is even more amazing. To put it in Farmers terms for ya....what manure. :rolleyes:


You know how I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking?" I have to admit Red, you fooled me for a long time. For a long time I really thought you know what you were talking about. I no longer do. And that "fooling me" was on me 100%. It was a subject matter, sports betting, that I didn't have a lot of knowledge about. My bad.

I now believe you have made money as a tout. Marketing sports picks. I don't consider that a professional sports bettor. Take away the touting side of it and you are under water lifetime, just like the rest of us, aren't you? Yeah you have won a couple contests along the way and finished top 5 or 10 in others, but none of that made you a lifelong winner financially did it. It just became a tool, to use in selling a service.

Disappointing.

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LOL. Do you have idea what you're talking about?

I'm going to print and frame your post.

For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

It's hard to be underwater and claim otherwise when your plays are published every week for thousands of people to see.

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Ok, so give us a figure then. What kind of money have you made in your 50 years <-:D, of being a professional sports bettor. Money from wagering on sports and contests. Not money from marketing a service.

These third party monitors that you talk about.....that is only important so you can then use that information to solicit new suckers....I mean clients. It really changes nothing about your ability to pick winners. You only keep copies of all that shit, some from 40 years ago, so you can pull it out to try to recruit new clients. "Look I finished in second place in the 1984 pixadaisy contest."

Your business and money you have made from sports betting has come from marketing and soliciting, not from picking winners, as near as I can tell. That is NOT a professional sports bettor. That is a marketing sports picker, marketing a service.

You are free to prove me wrong. I am trying to keep an open mind, but it is becoming harder and harder. (that's what she said -- Michael Scott)

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Obviously he’s made enough money to join the elite group of high net worth individuals who can simply thumb their noses at the government and say “F U” when it comes to tax bills.

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As you can see the Ditz just keeps on with the bullshit. You have to ask yourself why does the Ditz waste his time here when he could be flying high with "his peers." You know, professional sports bettors. Have you ever seen a debate between Ditz and a real professional sports bettor? It looks to me he avoids them like the plague.

No matter all this stuff he talks about "opinion" he can't get around the fact that Billy Walters published a handicapping system that is purely mathematical.

Opinion is just another word for hunch. As Amarillo Slim said, hunches are for two dogs fucking.

Another question for radio show, if it ever happens:

Is Billy Walters mathematical system for sports betting bullshit or not? In redietz opinion, does it work?

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Mickey, you are out of your depth. Seriously, as in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a fine book). You're not even framing your own question properly.

And I'll take you to task for misleading anyone reading your post. Walters doesn't posit "a mathematical system for sports betting." He goes into specifics for the NFL, which is not "sports betting." The specifics he discusses have elements that are no longer valid because, guess what, the stats are (1) dated and (2) don't adjust for the effects of rule changes, which are actually a big deal. I'm not saying that Mr. Walters didn't incorporate the effects of rule changes in his own betting (of course he did); I'm saying that the info you're getting in the book doesn't come close to comprehensively reviewing the history of the data.

Do you really, stupidly think Mr. Walters gave you some fabulously useful tips on how to win at "sports betting" in the book? C'mon, man, as they say on ESPN. He gave you some dated tips on how to win at the NFL, which is not really how he made his money, because the NFL is actually one of, if not the, most difficult sports at which to win. You'll see quotes about large NFL bets in the book, but no long term breakdown of which sports provided how much income compared to each other. The absence of these kinds of comparisons or summaries is obvious and startling.

The power rating stuff you get a taste of in the book is barely one step above GamePlan Magazine's power ratings, which I followed and adjusted since I was 13 or 14.

Mickey has very little idea what he's talking about, which is fine. Can you imagine, however, if I decided I was a master of advantage slots and mickey needed to listen to me? Fortunately, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to be a Leonardo Da AP.

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You are not good enough to be Leonardo Da AP.

Some might call you a One-trick phony.

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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But what does that "stuff" prove? Forget that the 'package' of documentation Red sent or tried to send Alan was 35 years old at the time, what does it prove? I am not doubting Red did will in the 1983 contest he frequently references, with results on the newsstands at supermarket checkouts.

But what does that prove? Does it prove or in any way indicate that Robert Dietz has made a living betting sports for 50 years now? Or does it prove he did well in whatever cherry-picked contest he is throwing our way?

To me all that proves, is that he did well in a few contests, and the fact that he hangs onto that information/documentation is for one reason only. To use as a tool or marketing aid to attract new "clients".


I feel uncomfortable asking anyone on an anonymous forum/message board to prove anything. No one is on trial. And if he were really a professional sports bettor, making a living betting sports, he has a right to that anonymity, so he can keep doing so.

BUT, Redietz threw that anonymity out the window years ago when he started posting not only his real name, but his address. Today he went even further and posted a phone number. So anonymity isn't an issue. That being the case, is there anything beside some 30-40 year old contest results that even hints that this guy has made a living in the sports betting arena. And again, I don't really consider marketing and soliciting of clients selling a service as "in the sports betting arena".

All we really seem to be getting is him telling us that everyone else is out of their league....out of his league and don't know what we are talking about.

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If someone makes a living gambling-wise doing one thing or mostly one thing, I don't have a problem with that. I did that for a long time, until I have tried to expand recently.

But the problem with Redietz's one trick pony, is I don't see where it falls under gambling. he is marketing/soliciting a service. That service just happens to involve sports betting. But it could just as easily involve selling condominiums.

the guy went to the Pennsylvania Farmers school, got a degree in Journalism, and apparently learned how to be a marketer or salesman. :cool:

I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing, and he misrepresents the documented ATS record of a real person. I retired from the Wise Guys Contest two years ago, which last I checked was not, I repeat not, 30 years ago.

KewlJ seems intent on lying about when I was documented in public. Being documented for 30 years is a little different from being documented 30 years ago.

I think an ongoing ATS record stretching back 30 years, in public, on newsstands nationally, would hold some water, as compared to the forum rantings of some anonymous alleged blackjack player who faked not an ATS record but his own death.

Again, the amazing thing isn't that kewlJ lies, but that he expects people to believe him.

KewlJ, do you hire yourself out at Easter for Coming-Back-from-the-Dead parties? I hear you're a blast when you're not getting your arm broken.

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I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing,

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Mr. Dietz, I am an active blackjack player, playing and making a living mostly in this one location. As an AP and specifically a card counter, table game player AP, I can not continue to earn a living unless I remain as anonymous as possible. It is funny, but you used to understand this. Then all of the sudden you started demanding AP's stop being anonymous.

Now I don't know how a professional sports bettor works. Based on you, shouting your name from the highest mountain, posting your address, and now phone number, I guess anonymity isn't important. hell, didn't you even post a picture of yourself, sitting at a table with a couple other gents and specifically identified which one was you. :confused:

If I did that, or any real AP working this town, it would be the end of our career. Maybe you can get away with it because sports betting now is mostly done overseas. few people are running around to sports books in Vegas making wagers and a living.

So, I can almost forgive you for not understanding what it means or entails to be an advantage player playing for a living or even any substantial stakes, in casinos in Las Vegas. I could forgive that you don't understand that.....EXCEPT that you used to understand that. You started pretending NOT to understand that when you started your attack on advantage players, simply because some are doing some things at an advantage involving sports betting.

You not knowing, or pretending not to know that real winning players, MUST be anonymous, if they want to continue playing, puts you in the same boat as your now buddy Mdawg, who ridiculously claims to play rated and win every day. The name on that boat is Titanic because what you are claiming or in your case pretending not to know, is fantasy shit. Real winning players must remain anonymous. If you didn't learn that spending 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years, then you don't know shit about this town or what it means to play for a living.

No one expects you to prove that kewl…, his entire premise was it’s bullshit for you to ask/expect it from him when you won’t.

Doesn’t take 5 paragraphs of explaining you’re an AP to understand that simple concept.

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Apparently it does!! :D

Red has been attacking not just me, but every real AP with this anonymous, Leonardo de AP shit for half a year now or longer.

And yet at the same time, he is posting his name, address, phone number and pictures of himself. WTF? Somebody is playing games.

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For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

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Show us proof of your results in these contests. And please, don't give us the "contact so and so and ask them" treatment or "look up this, look up that." Don't give us any shit about copyright law. As a journalist you know you don't have to use the same format. Post up the results of these contests you supposedly won.

You have challenged others to "post up proof" many times. It's your turn in the barrel.

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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Oh, so you know what was in the package? That's good. So tell us what the contents were. Enquiring minds want to know.

The easiest thing for Ditz to have done is post the information here.

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Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing, and he misrepresents the documented ATS record of a real person. I retired from the Wise Guys Contest two years ago, which last I checked was not, I repeat not, 30 years ago.

KewlJ seems intent on lying about when I was documented in public. Being documented for 30 years is a little different from being documented 30 years ago.

I think an ongoing ATS record stretching back 30 years, in public, on newsstands nationally, would hold some water, as compared to the forum rantings of some anonymous alleged blackjack player who faked not an ATS record but his own death.

Again, the amazing thing isn't that kewlJ lies, but that he expects people to believe him.

KewlJ, do you hire yourself out at Easter for Coming-Back-from-the-Dead parties? I hear you're a blast when you're not getting your arm broken.

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Again, Pinocchio Dietz, show proof of your results or it didn't happen.

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I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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If McCuckster published his results then you can do the same. Put up or shut up.

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As you can see the Ditz just keeps on with the bullshit. You have to ask yourself why does the Ditz waste his time here when he could be flying high with "his peers." You know, professional sports bettors. Have you ever seen a debate between Ditz and a real professional sports bettor? It looks to me he avoids them like the plague.

No matter all this stuff he talks about "opinion" he can't get around the fact that Billy Walters published a handicapping system that is purely mathematical.

Opinion is just another word for hunch. As Amarillo Slim said, hunches are for two dogs fucking.

Another question for radio show, if it ever happens:

Is Billy Walters mathematical system for sports betting bullshit or not? In redietz opinion, does it work?

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Mickey, you are out of your depth. Seriously, as in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a fine book). You're not even framing your own question properly.

And I'll take you to task for misleading anyone reading your post. Walters doesn't posit "a mathematical system for sports betting." He goes into specifics for the NFL, which is not "sports betting." The specifics he discusses have elements that are no longer valid because, guess what, the stats are (1) dated and (2) don't adjust for the effects of rule changes, which are actually a big deal. I'm not saying that Mr. Walters didn't incorporate the effects of rule changes in his own betting (of course he did); I'm saying that the info you're getting in the book doesn't come close to comprehensively reviewing the history of the data.

Do you really, stupidly think Mr. Walters gave you some fabulously useful tips on how to win at "sports betting" in the book? C'mon, man, as they say on ESPN. He gave you some dated tips on how to win at the NFL, which is not really how he made his money, because the NFL is actually one of, if not the, most difficult sports at which to win. You'll see quotes about large NFL bets in the book, but no long term breakdown of which sports provided how much income compared to each other. The absence of these kinds of comparisons or summaries is obvious and startling.

The power rating stuff you get a taste of in the book is barely one step above GamePlan Magazine's power ratings, which I followed and adjusted since I was 13 or 14.

Mickey has very little idea what he's talking about, which is fine. Can you imagine, however, if I decided I was a master of advantage slots and mickey needed to listen to me? Fortunately, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to be a Leonardo Da AP.

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Stop Redietz! Once again you've embarrassed yourself. "Dated" and "Not adjusted for rules changes" is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is HE PUBLISHED A PURELY MATHEMATICAL STRATEGY. And he showed how he continually updated his purely mathematical system. So if he were still handicapping today he would be using his "UPDATED PURELY MATHEMATICAL SYSTEM."

Redietz, the point is HE USED A PURELY MATHEMATICAL SYSTEM FOR BETTING NFL. Ding a ling! You will never be able to get around that fact.

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And that's why tewlj wants me banned.

He is a pathological liar, incapable of posting honestly, and the enemy of the truth.

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You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

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kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

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Carrying on from RED’s post above here is the best story ever on the shady side of the handicapping business. It touches of the fake magazine RED touched on. Back when Sports Illustrated actually did reporting instead of clickbait they did a deep review of the industry. Nothing new to those in the know but to the average sap, it was eye opening.

Some of you have probably read it before but if you haven’t, it’s a long read but well worth it for the discussion at hand.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1991/11/1...uch-that-phone

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Carrying on from RED’s post above here is the best story ever on the shady side of the handicapping business. It touches of the fake magazine RED touched on. Back when Sports Illustrated actually did reporting instead of clickbait they did a deep review of the industry. Nothing new to those in the know but to the average sap, it was eye opening.

Some of you have probably read it before but if you haven’t, it’s a long read but well worth it for the discussion at hand.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1991/11/1...uch-that-phone

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The interesting aspect of this is that Sports Illustrated was, after the fact, trying to fix a problem they in part created. Back in 1973 or 74, SI did a back page, full page article on Danny Sheridan (aka Schacter). They allowed the writer to report his tango with Sheridan as fact, and they published numbers that were ridiculous. Sheridan not only claimed some far-out percentage, but claimed he picked up vibes by walking around a football field near his house.

Anyway, SI did a follow-up a year later, and reported they had tracked him at slightly sub-50%, which was a far cry from his high-volume 80-some percent bullshit.

But it was, of course, too late. The previous year's faux reporting had garnered him all kinds of fans and investors. He had been a real estate sales guy. He quit that and became a high profile tout, eventually landing on pre-game analysis on a major network. A couple of people who talked to Sheridan for the second SI article reported he was unfamiliar with things as basic as some conference affiliations (much easier to remember back when teams didn't play musical chairs with conferences).

SI basically made Sheridan's career with their bullshit puff piece. Some of his misdirection with the reporter who covered him was very similar to the stunts alleged psychics pull to prove their powers. I wasn't surprised. The writer was probably a collaborator with Sheridan, but the writer didn't necessarily lie in a way that would get him in any legal trouble.

P.S. The poor part of Axelwolf's comment about McCusker being a liar/collaborator in the Sheridan vein is that Axelwolf probably hasn't read McCusker. It would be evident what McCusker, a former Seattle Times reporter, thought of Sheridan and Mike Warren and all the classic (and this was coined by McCusker) "scamdicappers." Yes, Boz, McCusker used that word in print first. When the San Fran Chronicle did a feature on McCusker, the lead paragraph featured many of the creative monikers McCusker gave "scamdicappers."

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Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing,

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Mr. Dietz, I am an active blackjack player, playing and making a living mostly in this one location. As an AP and specifically a card counter, table game player AP, I can not continue to earn a living unless I remain as anonymous as possible. It is funny, but you used to understand this. Then all of the sudden you started demanding AP's stop being anonymous.

Now I don't know how a professional sports bettor works. Based on you, shouting your name from the highest mountain, posting your address, and now phone number, I guess anonymity isn't important. hell, didn't you even post a picture of yourself, sitting at a table with a couple other gents and specifically identified which one was you. :confused:

If I did that, or any real AP working this town, it would be the end of our career. Maybe you can get away with it because sports betting now is mostly done overseas. few people are running around to sports books in Vegas making wagers and a living.

So, I can almost forgive you for not understanding what it means or entails to be an advantage player playing for a living or even any substantial stakes, in casinos in Las Vegas. I could forgive that you don't understand that.....EXCEPT that you used to understand that. You started pretending NOT to understand that when you started your attack on advantage players, simply because some are doing some things at an advantage involving sports betting.

You not knowing, or pretending not to know that real winning players, MUST be anonymous, if they want to continue playing, puts you in the same boat as your now buddy Mdawg, who ridiculously claims to play rated and win every day. The name on that boat is Titanic because what you are claiming or in your case pretending not to know, is fantasy shit. Real winning players must remain anonymous. If you didn't learn that spending 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years, then you don't know shit about this town or what it means to play for a living.

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And you being anonymous means you have no corroboration for any of your alleged stories. That's simply a fact.

Imagine if I claimed I won 80% ATS, but I'm so hated by books I must stay anonymous. Would anyone believe me? LOL.

KewlJ(s) have zero corroboration but invent fake news about someone who has decades of multiple third-party corroboration read by, literally, tens of thousands of people. The KewlJ(s) have mental issues. Logic seems to evade them.

My best guess at this point is that the KewlJ(s) are basically idiots. I have to think they are on forums to troll for sex partners and/or investors or both.

I can't believe I hadn't thought of this, but -- assuming the first show goes well -- it would make a lot of sense to have Boz on any second show with me. Maybe from Las Vegas. I have some truly knowledgeable clients, but I think Boz may edge them all out in terms of knowing the business and its history and pitfalls. I'd bet he knows more about the business than 99% of the current YouTubers. I would not want to match history recall with Boz on this.

Boz could be a devil's advocate for anything I say, kind of an 11th man in the Israeli military, so to speak. I think logicians call it The Tenth Man Rule.

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I can't believe I hadn't thought of this, but -- assuming the first show goes well -- it would make a lot of sense to have Boz on any second show with me. Maybe from Las Vegas. I have some truly knowledgeable clients, but I think Boz may edge them all out in terms of knowing the business and its history and pitfalls. I'd bet he knows more about the business than 99% of the current YouTubers. I would not want to match history recall with Boz on this.

Boz could be a devil's advocate for anything I say, kind of an 11th man in the Israeli military, so to speak. I think logicians call it The Tenth Man Rule.

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You're not going to have 1 show.

More smoke genades

Tasha, are you lurking? This is a great money making idea for you, becoming a tout.

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I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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Is this the correct mag? If so, I have seen enough, as the very first one I looked up, it had this BS below ROFLMAO.

Since 1974 when Harold Peterson, Staff Writer for Sports Illustrated, monitored
Danny's sensational 89% versus the spread
(184 winners of 205 games, plus 28 of 28 upset
specials during the 1974 Season; see Sports
Illustrated 9/22/75), Danny has been the
premler football anaylst in the Country. For
the past 10 years no one has come close to
matching Danny's uncanny ability to accurately predict the outcome of College & Pro Football games versus the spread.

https://ia801402.us.archive.org/22/i...ears)_text.pdf

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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IIRC Redietz mailed the packet of "proof" to Alan's office and Alan said he didn't look at it?

Something like that.

So...what ever happened to the packet?

Alan is gone, but was the packet of alleged "proo" tossed out by whomever cleaned up after he passed?

Might it have been ignored or set aside for some reason?

His son might know.

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My best guess at this point is that the KewlJ(s) are basically idiots. I have to think they are on forums to troll for sex partners and/or investors or both.

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Congratulations Redietz. You have now gone full blown troll the likes of a Singer or Mdawg. You must be very proud.

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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IIRC Redietz mailed the packet of "proof" to Alan's office and Alan said he didn't look at it?

Something like that.

So...what ever happened to the packet?

Alan is gone, but was the packet of alleged "proo" tossed out by whomever cleaned up after he passed?

Might it have been ignored or set aside for some reason?

His son might know.

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You tell me. Sounds like a project for a “retired lawyer.”

Typical waste of time on VCT, only this time it doesn't involve tasha:

--Red's "proof" to Alan went "poof" when he saw it was aloof.
--I've said nada about this anticipated Druff show appearance by redietz, choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt. (I was thinking just MAYBE he didnt know his associates were soliciting me to buy picks.) But thru now it's been nothing but disappointing drama, as we've awaited anxiously for red to dump a big healthy shit....but all he's shown he capable of pushing out is loads of wet gas.
--Is there any question remaining that kew just cant help it, as he always interjects himself into every discussion, controversy and runaway disagreement, for the sole purpose of perpetuating his own debunked online forum agenda about himself?
--If AQ knew how to differentiate between a smoke bomb, "man-made" pollution & wet gas, maybe he wouldn't be destined to step into his grave someday as a lonely, grumpy old man.

I'd end this uneventful thread right here/right now, and move on.

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Typical waste of time on VCT, only this time it doesn't involve tasha:

--Red's "proof" to Alan went "poof" when he saw it was aloof.
--I've said nada about this anticipated Druff show appearance by redietz, choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt. (I was thinking just MAYBE he didnt know his associates were soliciting me to buy picks.) But thru now it's been nothing but disappointing drama, as we've awaited anxiously for red to dump a big healthy shit....but all he's shown he capable of pushing out is loads of wet gas.
--Is there any question remaining that kew just cant help it, as he always interjects himself into every discussion, controversy and runaway disagreement, for the sole purpose of perpetuating his own debunked online forum agenda about himself?
--If AQ knew how to differentiate between a smoke bomb, "man-made" pollution & wet gas, maybe he wouldn't be destined to step into his grave someday as a lonely, grumpy old man.

I'd end this uneventful thread right here/right now, and move on.

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I'll just let you know I now have a girlfriend who absolutely loves to spend all her free time with me. Far more successful than you ever were and has a great body to boot. It is easy to find a girlfriend but at the tier i was shopping for it is like nothing you've ever seen, Rob.

When her pool is done I'll take some pics of it. It is nothing fabulous but a nice place to chill.

Something for the little people out there...

I'd have her pose for a pic with a receipt but she'd fucking dump me if she ever figured out I am active on a thing like VCT. lol.

Well maybe not ... but not risking that one.

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When her pool is done I'll take some pics of it. It is nothing fabulous but a nice place to chill. Something for the little people out there...

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Huh?

Did VCT morph into "Home and Garden?"

To keep up should I post pictures of my backyard waterfall and pond?

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I'll just let you know I now have a girlfriend

I'd have her pose for a pic with a receipt but she'd fucking dump me if she ever figured out I am active on a thing like VCT. lol.

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Congrats on finding someone who can stand you, AiQ. Hiding who you are and what kind of forum you participate on seems like a good idea. Always best to start a relationship hiding who you really are. :rolleyes:

Really, she would dump you for participating at VCT. THAT is pretty shallow of her. It's not like this is a Nazi hate forum with people spewing nothing but hate.

Oh wait....it is. Never mind! Best to hide it as deep as you can.

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When her pool is done I'll take some pics of it. It is nothing fabulous but a nice place to chill. Something for the little people out there...

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Huh?

Did VCT morph into "Home and Garden?"

To keep up should I post pictures of my backyard waterfall and pond?

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When did it become Newell Homes? When did we ask to see Axel's remodeling? I'm just going to show people how to post pics.

edit - yes, why go ahead and post a pic of your backyard waterfall. Why not? Red needs more smoke grenades.

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I'll just let you know I now have a girlfriend

I'd have her pose for a pic with a receipt but she'd fucking dump me if she ever figured out I am active on a thing like VCT. lol.

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Congrats on finding someone who can stand you, AiQ. Hiding who you are and what kind of forum you participate on seems like a good idea. Always best to start a relationship hiding who you really are. :rolleyes:

Really, she would dump you for participating at VCT. THAT is pretty shallow of her. It's not like this is a Nazi hate forum with people spewing nothing but hate.

Oh wait....it is. Never mind! Best to hide it as deep as you can.

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lol. Regarding "standing" me - She likes dating a guy smarter than her for the first time in her life from what I can tell.

Arguing with people on the internet is so lol unattractive. I recently saw a list of the most unattractive hobbies. I hit 5/10 of them. One was "arguing online". hahaha...

"Hiding who you really are" as if this forum has much at all to do with my life and I am hiding something.

Anyway, lets everyone jump on AIQ to give poor red a must needed rest from the severe beating being witnessed in this thread.

I think it would actually be much better if Red flew into Monte Carlo instead of Las Vegas to do this show.

The reason being is that Monte Carlo is so much older than Las Vegas so it would be a more appropriate venue for a call in show.

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Anyway, lets everyone jump on AIQ to give poor red a must needed rest from the severe beating being witnessed in this thread.

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I was out with my mom, picking up some trash, just outside her neighborhood this morning in honor of earth day, and I was actually thinking that it is a bit of a gang-up on redietz lately. Somewhat common on this forum. Then I got home, turned on the computer and see where he posted that I am only here trying to pick up guys or something like that. I don't feel bad for him.

You know he used to be a normal acting, member of this forum.

And then he started with all the bitching about members being anonymous.....on an anonymous internet forum. :rolleyes:

And then he started shit with mickeycrimm about collecting social security, with a thinly veiled, equating it to welfare.

And then there is all the IQ and SAT comments, always trying to convey he is better and smarter than everyone.

And then there were the attacks on me and every other AP, because we dared do something at an advantage involving sports betting.

And then attacks about me attending Villanova (part of the reason why I didn't reveal that for a long time). I was able to attend Villanova because my father was killed, working on a government job, when I was 6 years old. Do you think I wouldn't have given a million times over to have not had the opportunity to attend Villanova and had my father for even another year.

Look, Red's story and claims are falling apart. If he made money in the sports betting arena, to me it seems like it was more on the tout side, that as a professional sports bettor. And I am NOT impressed with that.

I don't care. But I don't feel bad for him either. People have a right to have questions and challenge shit that doesn't make sense. I have always fielded questions as best I could, until it disolved into nothing but attacks, which it always does.

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I think it would actually be much better if Red flew into Monte Carlo instead of Las Vegas to do this show.

The reason being is that Monte Carlo is so much older than Las Vegas so it would be a more appropriate venue for a call in show.

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Red can just stay in "Bubble Butt" Tennessee and recreate the aural ambience of Vegas. First, find one of those 8 hour long YT videos of street traffic noise and play it at a low but audible volume in the background. Then at the same time play the sound of pool splashing at irregular intervals so it sounds like he's not staying somewhere too cheap. Next, get a male and female friend to have a fake hooker-client argument in the next room. This will recreate the sensation of staying in a hotel where you can hear a hooker-client dispute in the next room.

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That would be EAST Bubble Butt Tennessee (Bubble Fuck actually).

You see there is the main Bubble Fuck/Butt Tennessee, where normal people live (as normal as you can get in Appalachia). And then there is the "East" section, the bad part of town. The bad side of the tracks if you will. :cool:

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

How are you harping on someone else to explain their timeline when your own timeline is swiss cheese?

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

When her pool is done I'll take some pics of it. It is nothing fabulous but a nice place to chill. Something for the little people out there...

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Huh?

Did VCT morph into "Home and Garden?"

To keep up should I post pictures of my backyard waterfall and pond?

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When did it become Newell Homes? When did we ask to see Axel's remodeling? I'm just going to show people how to post pics.

edit - yes, why go ahead and post a pic of your backyard waterfall. Why not? Red needs more smoke grenades.

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Axel aint remodeling. He's building a house.

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Originally Posted by mcap

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by mcap

Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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IIRC Redietz mailed the packet of "proof" to Alan's office and Alan said he didn't look at it?

Something like that.

So...what ever happened to the packet?

Alan is gone, but was the packet of alleged "proo" tossed out by whomever cleaned up after he passed?

Might it have been ignored or set aside for some reason?

His son might know.

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You tell me. Sounds like a project for a “retired lawyer.”

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I have all that stuff lying around somewhere, so I could re-assemble it, I guess. My desk makes Ray Bradbury's desk look organized, so bear in mind it may take awhile to track it all down. Plus I have 5000 pounds of books in the garage, so that takes some sorting to find things.

I think reviewing all of it with Boz would be the way to go, with Todd serving as host. MrV seems pretty good at asking the more obvious civilian-type questions, so that would work, too.

Todd's PFA gestalt translates well into deconstructing the garbage that has constituted the bulk of the handicapping industry. "Handicapping Fraud Alert" is pretty much what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was about. Todd is likely the contemporary poker equivalent of what McCusker was doing vis-a-vis handicappers back in the 80's and 90's, only McCusker documented full-season records, so it wasn't just reputation reviews and reports of handicappers doing shitty things, although McCusker provided those as well.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Huh?

Did VCT morph into "Home and Garden?"

To keep up should I post pictures of my backyard waterfall and pond?

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When did it become Newell Homes? When did we ask to see Axel's remodeling? I'm just going to show people how to post pics.

edit - yes, why go ahead and post a pic of your backyard waterfall. Why not? Red needs more smoke grenades.

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Axel aint remodeling. He's building a house.

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My bad. Oh I bet it was MaxPen ... your buddy that I am thinking of.

Anyway, someone did a shower remodel.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mcap

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Originally Posted by MisterV

IIRC Redietz mailed the packet of "proof" to Alan's office and Alan said he didn't look at it?

Something like that.

So...what ever happened to the packet?

Alan is gone, but was the packet of alleged "proo" tossed out by whomever cleaned up after he passed?

Might it have been ignored or set aside for some reason?

His son might know.

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You tell me. Sounds like a project for a “retired lawyer.”

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I have all that stuff lying around somewhere, so I could re-assemble it, I guess. My desk makes Ray Bradbury's desk look organized, so bear in mind it may take awhile to track it all down. Plus I have 5000 pounds of books in the garage, so that takes some sorting to find things.

I think reviewing all of it with Boz would be the way to go, with Todd serving as host. MrV seems pretty good at asking the more obvious civilian-type questions, so that would work, too.

Todd's PFA gestalt translates well into deconstructing the garbage that has constituted the bulk of the handicapping industry. "Handicapping Fraud Alert" is pretty much what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was about. Todd is likely the contemporary poker equivalent of what McCusker was doing vis-a-vis handicappers back in the 80's and 90's, only McCusker documented full-season records, so it wasn't just reputation reviews and reports of handicappers doing shitty things, although McCusker provided those as well.

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Honestly if you did something like this you could have a pretty highly regarded podcast episode.

Arguing a wrong opinion about EV or the morality of abusing bonuses isn't going to go anywhere. What you do have though is a great memory of LV when it was more interesting. I'm not calling you up to shit on you in general. I don't care enough. But you actually could make a decent enough podcast episode if you talking about historical stuff and not this "call me up ya maroons and let me tell you why I live in Bubble Butt TN"

Going further into this - you have stated the reason to not be anonymous is to have opportunities. You're not going to get any opportunities from a podcast where you argue silly positions on sports betting. That stuff has been rehashed infinite. What you have is a history from some of LV's more exciting years. Stick with that. The right person listens to THAT podcast and you might wind up with an actual opportunity.

Arguing your sports betting prowess isn't going to do it for various reasons which I'll leave off because I'd rather this post be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mcap

You tell me. Sounds like a project for a “retired lawyer.”

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I have all that stuff lying around somewhere, so I could re-assemble it, I guess. My desk makes Ray Bradbury's desk look organized, so bear in mind it may take awhile to track it all down. Plus I have 5000 pounds of books in the garage, so that takes some sorting to find things.

I think reviewing all of it with Boz would be the way to go, with Todd serving as host. MrV seems pretty good at asking the more obvious civilian-type questions, so that would work, too.

Todd's PFA gestalt translates well into deconstructing the garbage that has constituted the bulk of the handicapping industry. "Handicapping Fraud Alert" is pretty much what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was about. Todd is likely the contemporary poker equivalent of what McCusker was doing vis-a-vis handicappers back in the 80's and 90's, only McCusker documented full-season records, so it wasn't just reputation reviews and reports of handicappers doing shitty things, although McCusker provided those as well.

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Honestly if you did something like this you could have a pretty highly regarded podcast episode.

Arguing a wrong opinion about EV or the morality of abusing bonuses isn't going to go anywhere. What you do have though is a great memory of LV when it was more interesting. I'm not calling you up to shit on you in general. I don't care enough. But you actually could make a decent enough podcast episode if you talking about historical stuff and not this "call me up ya maroons and let me tell you why I live in Bubble Butt TN"

Going further into this - you have stated the reason to not be anonymous is to have opportunities. You're not going to get any opportunities from a podcast where you argue silly positions on sports betting. That stuff has been rehashed infinite. What you have is a history from some of LV's more exciting years. Stick with that. The right person listens to THAT podcast and you might wind up with an actual opportunity.

Arguing your sports betting prowess isn't going to do it for various reasons which I'll leave off because I'd rather this post be taken seriously.

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You do realize my "wrong opinion" regarding the use of the term "EV" for sports betting is also Munchkin's take on it? I was prepped to argue the point with Munchkin, but there was zero need.

The more I think about it, the proper inroad for a discussion is the parallel between Todd's distaste for poker manipulations and my/McCusker's/Boz's distaste for, as McCusker coined, "Scamdicappers." There is a rich history of nonsense, which Boz knows about as well as I do. I suspect Boz knows 90% of what I know and knows a couple of things I do not.

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

Red can just stay in "Bubble Butt" Tennessee

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That would be EAST Bubble Butt Tennessee (Bubble Fuck actually).

You see there is the main Bubble Fuck/Butt Tennessee, where normal people live (as normal as you can get in Appalachia). And then there is the "East" section, the bad part of town. The bad side of the tracks if you will. :cool:

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Actually the correct term is East Bumblefuck Tennessee.

Bumblefuck is a slang word derived from bum fuck.

Bubble fuck is not an actual word, but since it’s slang I guess it’s you preference although I think Bumble Fuck sounds a little bettwe.