KJ BJ expert?

Gotta wonder...would he walk a mile for a camel?

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Originally Posted by MickeyCrimm

He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

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What could possible show more mental illness (insecurity and narcissism) than a spoiled dude, born into SOME money (not as much as he pretends), given every advantage in life who is still a major failure/fuckup and spend all his time trying to tell such a ridiculous story of winnings and riches, that not a single person believes?

Seriously Dawg, what could possible demonstrate more mental illness than this? :confused:

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Originally Posted by smurgerburger

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Gotta wonder...would he walk a mile for a camel?

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He doesn't have to. Just has to roll over in bed. :cool:

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Originally Posted by MisterV

KJ lies because it fits in the drama he wishes to surround himself with.

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This thread should good viewing for Dan Druff. If I am trolled, which I constantly am, I troll back. I fight back some of the lies repeatedly told about me.

BUT I also contribute a lot of useful knowledge about blackjack. Knowledge that can help others players improve their game if there are any here looking to. And Knowledge that in no uncertain terms proves to anyone that isn't just trolling, that I know what the fuck I am talking about and I know this from experience as a professional AP.

But it won't matter. I am the problem according to Druff. Dawg contributing nothing except trolling and attacking is not the problem. Coach belly, who has been labeled a troll by every forum administrator including Druff is not the problem. AccountinQ who at once time was a good and normal poster but now has joined the nothing-but-TROLL brigade talking shit he knows nothing about isn't the problem. I am the problem.

You really should consider making some changed Druff, because this anything goes "free speech" isn't working. It just empowers trolls and haters to make up whatever they want. And I am not saying you should ban anyone. Just put some limits and restrictions so these assholes don't ruin EVERY fucking thread and discussion. You don't allow them to ruin your threads with this kind of shit. Why are the rest of us not entitled to the same?

And while you are at it...bring back Boz. #FreeBoz At least on this site.

Happy Hanukkah Druff and the rest of our Jewish friends.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

If a regular player openly puts away some chips into his pockets as incentive to not play them, that is NOT rat-holing.

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If a player scoops chips off one table, conceals them, and change tables, initially placing a fraction of those chips on the new table, then the concealed remaining chips are ratholed chips...especially if he ends up wagering them.

It doesn't matter what the circumstances, intentions or incentives are...ratholing is an action (verb) not a noun.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

we don't plop down $8000 on the table as coach belly tried to say. We will make numerous smaller buy-ins, in combination with chip entry (chip inventory) instead.

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It doesn't matter whether you place the entire $8K on the table at once or in increments, the pit takes note of your table stake.

You're fixated on the $8K figure, even though you wrote earlier that your preferred starting session stake is $12K - $24K, which would require identification should the cash portion exceed $10K, and attract scrutiny if you use concealed chips to increase your bet.

It's not certain that the pit would permit an attempt to conceal chips while playing, as it manipulates chip counts and can complicate cash-outs.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You're fixated on the $8K figure, even though you wrote earlier that your preferred starting session stake is $12K - $24K, which would require identification should the cash portion exceed $10K, and attract scrutiny if you use concealed chips to increase your bet.

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NEVER SAID "prefered starting session stake" of anything.

I said I will not start a session without 15x max bet available. Read that last word again....AVAILABLE!! That doesn't mean I am putting that on the table or declaring anything.

What all you people, you troll people have in common is the dishonest twisting and manipulation of what was said. It really gets tired.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Dawg is not the problem. Coach belly is not the problem. AccountinQ isn't the problem. I am the problem.

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That's very insightful.

Have you been in therapy, getting the help that everyone encourages you to seek?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I said I will not start a session without 15x max bet available. Read that last word again....AVAILABLE!!

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Below are linked quotes, and a matter of record.

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My max bet is between $800 and $1200

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I don't want start a session with less than 15 x max bet. 20 is even better.

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MDawg has his challenge available for any session that is in dispute. Really for forums it doesn't get anymore stand up than that.

I'd say the only thing that happened today is it rained bad news for you. Make sure everything is elevated on milk crates in your tunnel abode so it doesn't wash away.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

It is kind of funny to see the trolls jump out of bed and start trolling with comments about shit they know nothing about. I guess I should cut Acct some slack as he doesn't play blackjack and so he doesn't know much about what he is talking about. My only question is why is he still arguing and insisting then? And Dawg, while he plays, is a losing player (except in his fiction stories). So he doesn't have to worry about evaluations and backoffs and other counter-measure.

Just as a courtesy, I will clear some things up about what I previously shared about how I play, since they clowns are conflating everything. Wont matter as they will say whatever the fuck they want anyway. For 10 years here in Vegas, I played what I call the local circuit. That would be casinos like the 6 Stations casinos, Fiestas (now closed), Boyd properties, South Point, Silverton, a couple downtown properties and several just off strip properties, like Palms, Westgate, OYO (hooter). A few even smaller places mixed in but the group mentioned were the jist of it. You will note no strip properties for various reasons, although there was one that was in my primary rotation.

So when playing these properties, my max bet was in the $400 range, staying below the key threshold of $500. You also couldn't go much higher than that at these type places during the week or you would really stand out. Now the play style as I often shared was very short sessions. You leave at the shuffle after showing max bet (maybe 2 cycles on double deck), which almost makes it impossible for surveillance to gather the information they need in the time you are at the table. About the time they are seeing your spread, you have left or are leaving.

Now about 5 years ago, in part due to some mistakes from me, I found several entries in OSN. I was getting more backoffs and heat and it wasn't going away. I decided I needed to completely re-invent how I played for a period until things cooled down. Maybe a year or two (it has been 4+ now). So I started playing bigger (strip) casinos, during busier times, playing higher stakes, but ONLY at tables with other players playing the same or bigger stakes. I call this playing in the shadow of....

Playing slower games during busier times means you aren't playing the VERY short sessions like I was before. BUT YOU DONT NEED TO as it takes longer for an evaluation. I guess this is where I should explain a little more about the evaluation process since these clowns have no clue how it works. (and why would they, one doesn't play blackjack and one is a losing player that the casino love and aren't running evaluations on :D)

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First, accountinQ mentioned evaluating the whole table at once. While that technology is certainly available, when casinos did a version of this, during the Mind play fiasco, the end ruling prohibited them from doing so in real times. They had to implement a 20-30 round delay to avoid the ability to cheat by then feeding the count information down to the floor to shuffle away the good counts. So it is illegal to do what accountinQ suggested. Do some still do it? That I can't say.

So the way the evaluation works is they evaluate one player at a times comparing wagers (betting more) to the count. But it isn't so simple as count rises, player increases his wager...BOOM, he is a counter. Many other players, like players chasing losses or players parlaying wins raise wagers, and the casinos don't want to wrongly back them up. So the 'check" to this is most casino want to see a second cycle of the player raising with the count. I rarely give them that second cycle.

Now what these nitwits have jumped on, thinking a discrepancy is the short sessions. Playing the local circuit, this all happened more quickly. I needed to be out after 30 minutes, to be sure I was gone before they got what they needed. Playing busier times with the game moving much slower (and the information collecting process moving much slower), the whole process is much slower. So the sessions aren't as quick. It can take several shoes before the count even moves at all and the process begins!

So there you have it girls (dawg and account). Good try but wrong again....not that it stops you from arguing what you don't know about.

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You're not really worth engaging with when I'm not bored. You have lied about sooo much that is blatantly known and beyond obvious. No one takes you seriously no matter how hard you try.

And clearly oh boy do you try.

Everyone can agree you know a lot about blackjack. Are you as big of an expert in blackack as redietz is in college football? I still believe Redietz is considerably more of an expert but again - who knows?

Does this mean either of you make a living at it?

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't care. Being a really successful pro gambler is impressive. Being a subsistence gambler is not so much. Anyway, I'm done with this.


ALthough interesting angle about evaluating counds with computer programs. It'd be interesting to know how that works but shrug. "20 to 30 round delay"? A round being a hand? So is it 20 or 30? Where are these rulings found at? Show us something new and interesting, Kewl.

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One other small detail. I said evaluation come from the floor, with the pit calling up to trigger the evaluation. That is the most common procedure. But some casinos it is initiated upstairs in surveillance (or what acctQ calls the security room :D).

It is another one of those things that a real player learns.....makes it his business to figure out and learn. And it isn't that hard to figure out. When calling for an evaluation someone in the pit picks up the phone to call upstairs. Now everytime someone picks up a phone they aren't calling for an evaluation, there are chip fills and various other reasons the go to the phone. But these guys aren't all that subtle. When they call for an evaluation they usually are looking right at the table and player. Maybe because they need to say Table 14, seat 5. But, I often wonder if they even realize they are doing this. :D

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If the security room is not upstairs and in a back office what does a real AP call it?

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You have left, or are leaving, or you go play VP rated for 6 hours, accumulating or cashing in millions of dollars of freeplay.

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And the trolls just keep TRYING. :cool:

This is precisely why my partner handled the VP machine play, or most of it anyway, so there could be no tracking me to a machine and information.

On the occasions I handled some of the machine play, I rarely mixed blackjack and machine play at the same casino on the same day. Admittedly, several times I did mix, but would separate the two plays with lunch or a period of time, so if anyone was tracking me, they would have had to really put some effort into it. And if I did mix the two with say a break for lunch in between, it would be because the blackjack session was rather uneventful. I would NEVER go play a machine in the same day after a BJ session that was "eventful" and might draw some attention.

You people have played your games for years....decades now. I have MORE than proven over and over, what I do. And still you can't accept it and troll. At some point I would think you would decide "yeah, I guess the guy is what he says. I don't like him, but he knows what he is talking about".

But that isn't the troll way is it? :rolleyes:

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Real APs always talk about doing some "machine play" .. after their 6x rollover is completed for the day. cha-ching

One of those stealth 100-400 OYO players blending in with all the black chip action they get there.

I am sorry, these latest posts by Account and smurgy aren't even interesting or worthy enough for me to reply.

But you girls do what you need to do.

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I am sorry, these latest posts by Account and smurgy aren't even interesting or worthy enough for me to reply.

But you girls do what you need to do.

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ALthough interesting angle about evaluating counds with computer programs. It'd be interesting to know how that works but shrug. "20 to 30 round delay"? A round being a hand? So is it 20 or 30? Where are these rulings found at? Show us something new and interesting, Kewl.

A very legitimate question which you can answer if you want people to take you more seriously. Again, what you said makes sense. Like the delay in livestreaming for poker is similar. Casinos being able to shuffle early off the count .. but you could also have dealers do. It'd be hard but doable. They don't have to get hte count that straight.

It is interesting the ruling is based around "rounds"? And not timed? Who would ever count the rounds to know? seems like a weird way to come up with something but it was a "ruling"...

Which I guess came about when some counter made an issue with gaming? So this would be possible in other jurisdictions that this system exists but Kewl is exploiting this ruling in LV and happens to be one of the reasons he stays in LV.

Tell us what you know, Kewl.

AcctinQ, explain to me why you think I should do your homework for you? I know the things I talk about because it is my business to know things like this associated with what I do for a living. If you want to know details, even trying to catch me in something the very least you can do is google Mindplay or mindplay blackjack and read what it says.

But as a courtesy, I will point you to the announcement of the case in the LV Sun.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/oc...unting-system/

Now that was just the start of the case. I am sure you can find something about the resolution of the case. There is or was a pretty detailed write up of it at BJ21 because Al Rogers long-time Vegas Blackjack player that goes by LVBear, ran Wong's BJ21 for him, and Al Rogers became deeply involved in the case. I know a lot about the case, which was really slightly before my time from speaking privately with Al Rogers and others involved.

The case ended in a manor that met no ones satisfaction. I don't believe there was any payday for anyone who filed the case. I don't think there was any major fine to any casinos either as there should have been. (Possibly a slap on the wrist type fine).

All that really happened was Gaming said, you can't use this technology any more without a 20 or 30 round (I forget which) delay, making the technology useless and all casino that were using it stopped and it just faded away.

Acct, just stop! You are being pathetic. You are doing the coach belly shit. Is THAT really who you are?

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There are two reasons why UNKewlJ’s stories are so bland and generic. One is because he’s lying. He can’t flesh out what he never did and simply lifted from what he read or heard. The second is that he has all the personality of a wooden rocking chair and couldn’t come up with much interesting to say period.

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Which I guess came about when some counter made an issue with gaming? So this would be possible in other jurisdictions that this system exists but Kewl is exploiting this ruling in LV and happens to be one of the reasons he stays in LV.

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This has nothing to do with why I am in Las Vegas or stay in Las Vegas. I am not sure how much of this case I even knew before I moved to Las Vegas in late 2009. I probably was aware of it, but playing in Atlantic City it didn't involve me or anything I did.

The reason I am in Las Vegas is because after starting my career in AC and playing AC while living in Philly for 5+ years, I had worn out my welcome in Atlantic City. AC can't bar players like Vegas but there are counter-measures that they can and do deploy, like cutting the deck in half (horrible penetration) and bet restricting which they put on a player that just about makes play not profitable. 2009 was my fifth year in AC and I had increased stakes and by summer of 2009, I was being bet restricted almost every time I sat down.

What that means is you sit down at a $25 table hoping to spread to say $200 or $250 (I think that was my spread at the time). And they pull out a card that says minimum wager $5, maximum wager $50. The law required them to allow a 1-10 spread so they went as small as they could even though it was a $25 minimum table. These special limits only applied to me and whatever other card counters they used this tactic on. You couldn't make any real money at these limits so by fall 2009, I was looking to relocate.

I had a couple options in mind. One was to relocate to Las Vegas. the second was to buy a car and travel a bit, gulf coast, midwest, which at that time was all the rage with games at Indian Casinos that looked great on paper, but in reality weren't (cheating involved). Had I done the travel things, I still would have ended up in Vegas after a period, so I decided just to move to Vegas. The appeal of Las Vegas to a card counter wasn't the best games, but lots of games in close proximity. So I devised a plan of attack for that high volume of games, so as to not make the same mistake as AC and achieve some longevity. Short sessions and move around a lot.

THAT is how I came to be in Vegas. And I stay here for the same reason. It worked better than I even imagined. I know the laws here. I know what I can get away with and how to play to be welcome. As a matter of fact, during my time living and playing Vegas some of my problems occurred while on out of town trips. I am better off just playing where I know the rules (and I am not talking about the rules of the game itself).

I am really thrilled with how my 16 years in Vegas has gone, and I don't think I could have come close to what I have achieved anywhere else. If you want to surf for a living you move to California, or Florida or Australia. If you want to ski for a living, Colorado or Vermont. If you want to count cards for a living you move to Vegas. :cool: Just ask ZenKing. :)

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A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.

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Dawg, I respectfully disagree.

Oh, we know he lies...he's admitted it...but I don't believe his entire internet pesona is bullshit the way you and the other haters seem to.

He may embellish but I think he is pretty much what he claims to be.

Of course I could be wrong: this is the internet after all, the "New Wild West."

He is not a bad writer or historian: he's interesting enough.

Of course we form our own opinions, not that it really matters...

To quote the Great Cobain: "Here we are now, entertain us."

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Dawg, I respectfully disagree.

Oh, we know he lies...he's admitted it...but I don't believe his entire internet pesona is bullshit the way you and the other haters seem to.

He may embellish but I think he is pretty much what he claims to be.

Of course I could be wrong: this is the internet after all, the "New Wild West."

He is not a bad writer or historian: he's interesting enough.

Of course we form our own opinions, not that it really matters...

To quote the Great Cobain: "Here we are now, entertain us."

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I know I do argue, but there really is no sense arguing this MrV. The haters all KNOW I am exactly or pretty close to what I claim and make what I claims I make. They don't like it! I mean they are "haters". But They KNOW!! :D

And really for most of them it is something else entirely that they hate about me. And they can't even hide it. :cool:

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Frankly I don't give a flying fuck whether KJ is what he says or whether he's played y'all like a fiddle.

Supporting him is a game I play "just because."

He may well lie.

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Originally Posted by jdaewoo

This retard needs to get over it and fuck a guy.

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He has.....regularly

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Hand on his hip, shrill whiny voice,

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Not on my watch, Mister.

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Some prior trip related videos I posted:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMs..._as=subscriber

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I see why you're considered a joke.

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Pretty smooth sailing today. I arrived at a shoe that was about half played, completed that one, played one more shoe, and walked with some money. Not a ton, about fourteen hunny. That's a purple at the end of the stack.
https://i.imgur.com/D6pPhODl.jpg

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Just got back from the gym. Drinking a protein shake now, and after I eat will hit the tables.
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I wouldn't believe anything he says fab even if you need to. The only reason this attention-seeking fool posts about "going to the gym" is because that's what he wants every reader to believe he does. Have you looked at his sissified hands? Does it look like this clown actually touches anything with the word "weights" included within?

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Originally Posted by Half Smoke

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I'm not a close follower of MDawg but I looked it up and he began posting his adventures on WOV on Nov. 5, 2019.
I believe he's had somewhere around 12 trips to Vegas since then which he has documented.

Could someone who is very good with math help me out here?
Could someone estimate the probability of winning 12 times in a row each time playing about 800 hands in a negative expectancy game where the house edge is about 1.15%

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Originally Posted by tableplay

So, as a percentage then, the number of interest is 0.00000498383%.
So there is a 0.00000498383% that 12 sessions would be won under the aforementioned conditions.
Regards, TP.

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Interesting! The chances that Mdawgs trip reports with all the winning is correct is 0.00000498383%.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

MDawg wrote:

"However, these two rules of "always bet whatever just happened" and "press each time you just won" won't necessarily matter with events where the future is not fixed, like in dice rolls. I am not saying this is the way I play - but it is one way to play Baccarat."

Complete voodoo bullshit.

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Two can play your little "quote" game dawg. And I have only just begun. There are enough to fill 2026 posting hourly. Shall I continue?

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The documented facts about UNKewlJ include that she is a compulsive liar, hypocrite, self loathing bigot, male prostitute and is Pac Islander looking.

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kewlJ is actually the biggest bigot on VCT.

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kewlJ has been a whiner, a liar, a hypocrite, and a pain in the ass on many occasions

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The entire forum knows you have an issue with pathological lying.

you can't help but insert fibs into your postings

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haven't had a losing trip since returning to gambling in 2018. I'd also have to say that most of my play over the past two years has been Baccarat.

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As Gomer Pyle of Mayberry, North Carolina would say....Shazaaaaam

That has got to be at least 60 or 70 winning trips in a row.







it's truly amaaaaaaaaazing.




this dude has got to be one of the greatest gamblers in the history of the world

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Puppets like KewlJ give me the horrors. They jerk around like puppets on invisible strings, galvanized into hideous activity that is the negation of everything living and spontaneous.

The live human being has moved out of KewlJ’s body long ago. But something moved in when the original tenant moved out. And that something, is the Norm’s, The WizardsofVegas, the RobSingers, the Taters/Moses, the MDawgs who marched into KewlJ’s head and took over like ventriloquists' dummies who have moved in and taken over the ventriloquist. The dummy KewlJ sits there in front of the computer, envious, jealous, obsessed, and uncontrollably yapping out of a rigid doll face about MDawg.

There is a certain kind of ghost that can only materialize with the aid of a sheet or other piece of cloth to give it outline. KewlJ was like that. He materialized only when someone else moved into his head and gave him a reason to appear.

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Blackjack, I already wrote about that. I vary the bet wildly, I count, I shuffle track, I track clumps if I can, I do whatever it takes. As I already wrote, I have been banned from BJ before, and am still banned from the casino with the lowest house edge BJ in all of Vegas.

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You can count,shuffle track, track clumps etc, yet you choose to play -EV baccarat. I CALL BULLSHIT.

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I promise that I am going to post the information for ALL to SEE and end these bullshit claims and adventure that Shackleford should have ended a year ago. I will have no problem revealing everything, right down to his Tax ID number (substitute for SS #) and DoB.

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As for Mdawg, no one ever provided me with personal information about him. Not a name, not an address. certainly not bank statements of financial information. And I never suggested that.

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At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.

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Is this yet another blackjack player from WoV who never loses? At least we get pictures with this one.

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Nope this is a suspended Baccarat player who never loses.

But anyone can do it if they track the shoes like he does.

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Anyway, so those are two things to think about - quitting while you are ahead, and not chasing losses.

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Then I played that 4K on another hand a bit later, lost. Another 1K call bet, lost. I had them print it to ten. So now I had $9000. in front of me and owed the casino $9000. for this session.

I played some more, but by the end of the second shoe or maybe at some point in the third shoe, don't quite recall, I had lost that second marker too. Now down $18,000. I asked the pit boss for another $10K

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This is some fun shit!! And I have only scratched the surface, Dawg. And don't worry, I am cataloging all these quotes so I can easily pull them up in the future. :)

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AcctinQ, explain to me why you think I should do your homework for you? I know the things I talk about because it is my business to know things like this associated with what I do for a living. If you want to know details, even trying to catch me in something the very least you can do is google Mindplay or mindplay blackjack and read what it says.

But as a courtesy, I will point you to the announcement of the case in the LV Sun.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/oc...unting-system/

Now that was just the start of the case. I am sure you can find something about the resolution of the case. There is or was a pretty detailed write up of it at BJ21 because Al Rogers long-time Vegas Blackjack player that goes by LVBear, ran Wong's BJ21 for him, and Al Rogers became deeply involved in the case. I know a lot about the case, which was really slightly before my time from speaking privately with Al Rogers and others involved.

The case ended in a manor that met no ones satisfaction. I don't believe there was any payday for anyone who filed the case. I don't think there was any major fine to any casinos either as there should have been. (Possibly a slap on the wrist type fine).

All that really happened was Gaming said, you can't use this technology any more without a 20 or 30 round (I forget which) delay, making the technology useless and all casino that were using it stopped and it just faded away.

Acct, just stop! You are being pathetic. You are doing the coach belly shit. Is THAT really who you are?

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Homework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.

Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.

The above quotes have come from the first 8 pages of the Mdawg adventure thread. There are 98 more pages to go. And I haven't even gotten to posts by MrV and some others of which there is plenty of material. :rolleyes:

Mdawg has done nothing but troll with quotes for years now. Contributes absolutely nothing. Hijacks and ruins every gambling discussion. I don't know why Druff allows it.

I think I just showed I could stoop to that level and take this forum even further into the shithole. But I am not going to do that. I have too much respect for Druff, even though he continues to allow dawg to do so.

Bottom line continues to be that this little bratty bitch Mdawg is a troll. He is a spoiled brat, who grew into a spoiled man who likes to gamble, LOSES, and is comped accordingly. he tried to make a ridiculous story claiming otherwise, but the advantage players and real gamblers on multiple forum all called him out. And then he got nasty and started trolling, like the bratty bitch he still is as an older man. And yes, he is an older man. Look at his hands. They are the hands of a fatter, older man. (as even Singer noted) And those pictures are 6 years old!

RIP to the great "adventure".

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AcctinQ, explain to me why you think I should do your homework for you? I know the things I talk about because it is my business to know things like this associated with what I do for a living. If you want to know details, even trying to catch me in something the very least you can do is google Mindplay or mindplay blackjack and read what it says.

But as a courtesy, I will point you to the announcement of the case in the LV Sun.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/oc...unting-system/

Now that was just the start of the case. I am sure you can find something about the resolution of the case. There is or was a pretty detailed write up of it at BJ21 because Al Rogers long-time Vegas Blackjack player that goes by LVBear, ran Wong's BJ21 for him, and Al Rogers became deeply involved in the case. I know a lot about the case, which was really slightly before my time from speaking privately with Al Rogers and others involved.

The case ended in a manor that met no ones satisfaction. I don't believe there was any payday for anyone who filed the case. I don't think there was any major fine to any casinos either as there should have been. (Possibly a slap on the wrist type fine).

All that really happened was Gaming said, you can't use this technology any more without a 20 or 30 round (I forget which) delay, making the technology useless and all casino that were using it stopped and it just faded away.

Acct, just stop! You are being pathetic. You are doing the coach belly shit. Is THAT really who you are?

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Homework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.

Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.

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Oh shut it dickhead. It is a perfect analogy. You have turned into coach belly! I challenge you to go back and read your own posts from 4-5 years ago. You were a normal, good poster and contributor to this forum. Now you do nothing but troll and challenge me. And I have way more than proven I know what the fuck I am talking about, and it is from experience of being exactly what I claim I am.

Grow up! be a man. Say "I dont like you but I guess you are what you claim". Anything short of that and you are just a peon of a man.

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KJ:

yeah, I got it. I'm not trying to nitpick you. I realized after I posted that that is what you meant to say.

what a funny game it is when you count:

i.e.: the TC is at 2 - you have only a tiny advantage - you hope it goes up more

you begin to be bet up several hands as it goes to 2.5, then 3, then maybe 4, then 4.5, then 5, then 6

so, now it's at 6 and you have a nice edge - it's Max time

but the thing is, all the time you bet up from 2 to 6, all those hands, you were betting up when you actually had a disadvantage (that you couldn't actually know about) because more low cards came out

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Half Smoke, if you are reading, I came across this post while looking through some old threads. It is kind of funny as my brother and I and my pit boss friend, who also counts cards, had almost this exact discussion thanksgiving night. I would like to hear your thoughts. The question was posed this way.

6 deck game, 75% penetration (4.5 decks). so 2 decks in (4 remaining) the running count is +8, for a true count of +2 or about a half percent advantage after the offset. After another deck is played, now 3 decks played, 3 remaining, the running count remains +8, for a true count of almost +3 or about a 1% advantage. Another deck gets played, now 4 played and 2 remaining. The running count remains at +8, for a TC of +4. Now about a 1.5% advantage. And finally, you get to the shuffle point and the running count remains +8.

So all that time the player thought he was playing at an advantage anywhere from .5% to 1.5%. But was he? The running count never moved. from +8. So those last 2.5 decks were played through at a zero count. and zero count is a house edge of half percent (depending on the game and rules).
So for those 2.5 decks played from the 2 deck mark to the shuffle was the player playing at a .5 disadvantage or a .5-1.5 advantage as the count suggested?

I have given this a lot of thought since that night and I have come up with an answer (probably wrong). I would like to hear what you think before I share it.

Happy Holidays. KJ

Anyone else is free to offer a serious answer as well.

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AcctinQ, explain to me why you think I should do your homework for you? I know the things I talk about because it is my business to know things like this associated with what I do for a living. If you want to know details, even trying to catch me in something the very least you can do is google Mindplay or mindplay blackjack and read what it says.

But as a courtesy, I will point you to the announcement of the case in the LV Sun.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/oc...unting-system/

Now that was just the start of the case. I am sure you can find something about the resolution of the case. There is or was a pretty detailed write up of it at BJ21 because Al Rogers long-time Vegas Blackjack player that goes by LVBear, ran Wong's BJ21 for him, and Al Rogers became deeply involved in the case. I know a lot about the case, which was really slightly before my time from speaking privately with Al Rogers and others involved.

The case ended in a manor that met no ones satisfaction. I don't believe there was any payday for anyone who filed the case. I don't think there was any major fine to any casinos either as there should have been. (Possibly a slap on the wrist type fine).

All that really happened was Gaming said, you can't use this technology any more without a 20 or 30 round (I forget which) delay, making the technology useless and all casino that were using it stopped and it just faded away.

Acct, just stop! You are being pathetic. You are doing the coach belly shit. Is THAT really who you are?

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Homework? I have some vague interest in this but not enough to go down a rabbithole on my own. Stupid analogy. You perpetually whine about how there are no people wanting to talk about real things. Do you want to stand on your head or feet? Figure it out bro. Stop being so stupid.

Nothing to do with coach belly. You're just a freak and get treated by so many people in similar fashions because of your nonsense.

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Oh shut it dickhead. It is a perfect analogy. You have turned into coach belly! I challenge you to go back and read your own posts from 4-5 years ago. You were a normal, good poster and contributor to this forum. Now you do nothing but troll and challenge me. And I have way more than proven I know what the fuck I am talking about, and it is from experience of being exactly what I claim I am.

Grow up! be a man. Say "I dont like you but I guess you are what you claim". Anything short of that and you are just a peon of a man.

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I asked you about things. It isn't my fault you've lied about so much that simple questions bother you. 4 to 5 years ago I believed your nonsense.
Now I'm just vaguely curious about the vagaries of bj law. Such a buffoon.

You know a lot about blackjack but your life is a great deal of fantasy. That's also proven. Misterv who is a bit slower seems to think you mostly tell the truth. I believe you mostly lie.

AccountinQ, we are done sir. I should have been done with you a month ago when you challenged me to prove something and I accepted for a wager and then you reneged, whimpering about money. But still I let that go and have treated you respectfully answering all your trolling questions.

I think i have more than proven I know what I am talking about and am what i claim. If you want to instead believe that I spent 20+ years learning all I could about card counting / blackjack advantage play so I could "fool" 10 people on an internet forum, then you go right ahead and believe that. Believe in the easter bunny too while you are at it.

I am just not going to waste anymore time on people like you that are just trolling. You have yourself a good life.

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AccountinQ, we are done sir. I should have been done with you a month ago when you challenged me to prove something and I accepted for a wager and then you reneged, whimpering about money. But still I let that go and have treated you respectfully answering all your trolling questions.

I think i have more than proven I know what I am talking about and am what i claim. If you want to instead believe that I spent 20+ years learning all I could about card counting / blackjack advantage play so I could "fool" 10 people on an internet forum, then you go right ahead and believe that. Believe in the easter bunny too while you are at it.

I am just not going to waste anymore time on people like you that are just trolling. You have yourself a good life.

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This in no way happened and is just more evidence of why no one should take you seriously on any level.

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Yer makin yerself look silly, or more silly than usual. Keep going pinnochio, keep goin, hey hey.

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What’s crazy about all this is that any normal person would realize that his ever changing story and desperate attempts to put out fires is just confirming that his story is false, and making him look even worse, but a sociopathic liar can’t help himself, and keeps lying just to cover up other lies.

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Tbh I'm not even sure OYO has a $500 max table. Whether they do or not I do not think anybody is going in there regularly spreading up to 400 and somehow not getting noticed.

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You know a lot about blackjack but your life is a great deal of fantasy. That's also proven. Misterv who is a bit slower seems to think you mostly tell the truth. I believe you mostly lie.

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And I believe you're a yeti posting from a cave on Baffin Island, and that garnabby is your brother.

Wait, you want "proof?"

My personal belief is all the proof I require, and just as you've adduced zero proof for your claim so shall I remain mum.

Hey, many otherwise seemingly rational people believe that the 2020 election was stolen so why not posit other equally inane notions which lack any sort of objective proof?

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We can rationally discuss events by investigating, discovering, presenting and considering evidence.

There's often enough evidence regarding irregularities in any election to elevate concerns above the level of "inane notions".

The same can't be said about your declared beliefs below...

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I believe you're a yeti posting from a cave on Baffin Island, and that garnabby is your brother.

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Tbh I'm not even sure OYO has a $500 max table. Whether they do or not I do not think anybody is going in there regularly spreading up to 400 and somehow not getting noticed.

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At the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.

Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?

Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.

So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.

So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.

But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.

And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.

No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing! :rolleyes:

And here is another little tidbit for ya. For a while Hooters had one of those older electronic blackjack games, Blackjack Angels or Dealer Angels or something like that, with the video of dealers with big boobs dealing. That game was beatable (countable), because the shuffle point was when they changed dealers. I would usually play that for a few minutes as well until they removed it.

There also was a point that LVH (LV HIlton, now Westgate) was also in both my blackjack rotation and our mailer VP rotation. LVH was located at the opposite end of the monorail. Not EVERY time we played LVH, but occasionally we liked to ride the monorail up to LVH. Tickets were $1 for local residents. Again, not every trip to either location, but occasionally we would have a day that started parking at Hooters, a couple blackjack sessions at MGM, ride the monorail up to LVH, play some BJ while my partner played the VP mailer play, eat lunch at the LVH buffet, which was like $9 for locals (regular price $22 or $24), which we could use points generated by the VP play and then back down to MGM for a blackjack session and across the street to hooters for VP play and/or blackjack.

That would be a full day. 4-5 blackjack sessions, with the two visits to MGM being on different shifts, and a couple casino in the VP mailer play rotation. Not the most efficient day with the monorail, but something a little different that we both enjoyed.

Kewl !

Good answer!

Just to clarify - I figure you've spent 1000s hours playing BJ in and around LV that but outside of that anything said is a complete random shot as to the veracity. Maybe you've even made a living. The problem is you've said so much nonsense where you refer to your experience and all this that it becomes impossible to know where the truth ends. In that situation it is better served for the person to be universally disbelieved.

When I lived in LV and was a subsistence poker player - I played at MGM a lot. I know some players parked over there which made it a lot easier. The poker room was on the south tip where some circular bar is now. You used to even be able to see lions from the poker room.

Infact, that was the first place in life where I shart myself. While walking through the sportsbook - fresh copy of Tipsters and Gipsters at hand. Oh the memories.

Seriously though - there is one lie in the above statements but I"m not telling.

My question would be ... if you're doing these small hit and run sessions why wouldn't you just walk the strip? Start somewhere and go from one to the other? The only slot hustler I know who works the strip did that. Why would you park your car at one casino at a time? Seems like you'd have your chip inventory and a route where you'd just walk from pit A to B to C to next casino, etc. Hit 3-4 casinos or whatever.

You can say this is part of the "gotcha" game but this is exactly the sort of shit you complain about NOT having, Kewl. So spare us. I'm not terribly interested in your answer but heres your chance to have a serious discussion and serious questions that I even expect you to be able to answer.

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Tbh I'm not even sure OYO has a $500 max table. Whether they do or not I do not think anybody is going in there regularly spreading up to 400 and somehow not getting noticed.

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At the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.

Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?

Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.

So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.

So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.

But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.

And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.

No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing! :rolleyes:

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You said that you bet $400 at Oyo, and under the table max, and I said that I don't believe they have a $500 max table.

Do you understand this? Have I missed something?

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Kewl !

Good answer!

Just to clarify - I figure you've spent 1000s hours playing BJ in and around LV that but outside of that anything said is a complete random shot as to the veracity. Maybe you've even made a living. The problem is you've said so much nonsense where you refer to your experience and all this that it becomes impossible to know where the truth ends. In that situation it is better served for the person to be universally disbelieved.

When I lived in LV and was a subsistence poker player - I played at MGM a lot. I know some players parked over there which made it a lot easier. The poker room was on the south tip where some circular bar is now. You used to even be able to see lions from the poker room.

Infact, that was the first place in life where I shart myself. While walking through the sportsbook - fresh copy of Tipsters and Gipsters at hand. Oh the memories.

Seriously though - there is one lie in the above statements but I"m not telling.

My question would be ... if you're doing these small hit and run sessions why wouldn't you just walk the strip? Start somewhere and go from one to the other? The only slot hustler I know who works the strip did that. Why would you park your car at one casino at a time? Seems like you'd have your chip inventory and a route where you'd just walk from pit A to B to C to next casino, etc. Hit 3-4 casinos or whatever.

You can say this is part of the "gotcha" game but this is exactly the sort of shit you complain about NOT having, Kewl. So spare us. I'm not terribly interested in your answer but heres your chance to have a serious discussion and serious questions that I even expect you to be able to answer.

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I know where the poker room is or was. Rather than park at Hooters, wouldn't it have been closer to park at Tropicana casino (now gone for the new baseball stadium), which also at that time had free parking and walk across the walkway into MGM, down the escalator and the poker room would be right there? Doesn't matter.

My first 2 years in Vegas, before I had a car (by choice) and before my partner followed me out to Vegas, I lived in a condominium a block off the strip at Flamingo/Koval. I didn't play the locals circuit yet, not even knowing half the local casinos. I walked the strip daily and sometimes from Mandy Bay to Treasure island. So I have walked the strip plenty of times.

The parking was only one reason I later decided to mostly avoid the strip play.

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Tbh I'm not even sure OYO has a $500 max table. Whether they do or not I do not think anybody is going in there regularly spreading up to 400 and somehow not getting noticed.

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At the time I started playing it was Hooters. Although I played a bit when it became OYO as well. You are missing a key point about table max. Table Max does NOT mean a player can spread to that max amount. He would last 2 seconds. A flat bettor might be able to flat bet the table max, but anyone varying bets would NEVER be allowed to hit that max bet. A general rule of thumb is maybe you can spread to about half posted the table max amount.
And while I don't remember what table max was at hooters, the max bet I was using was $300 I believe. There were always places in my rotation, El Cortez, East Cannery, just to name a couple that I max betted a little less. Hooters/OYO was one of them.

Now why Hooters? Did you ask yourself that? Did you ever consider location?

Prior to about 5 years ago when I began playing the strip as my primary rotation on busier times, I basically avoided the strip except 1 location. There are a number of reason, but one was it was just too much hassle to find parking and get into a casino for a short session. That "short session" could end up being an hour.

So I always said there was 1 strip property that was always in my regular rotation for blackjack. Maybe once a week, maybe only a couple times a month. That property was MGM. And the reason is because it was so large they had up to 4 different pits. All 4 weren't always open, but 2-3 usually were. That almost made getting into and playing MGM like playing 2 or 3 different casinos. Could hit a session (assuming nothing extraordinary occurred) at least two different pits.

So that is why MGM was in my rotation when other strip properties weren't. so parking? do you know where the MGM garage is located? It is a 15 minute walk to the casino....the back of the casino. THAT is/was NOT the kind of logistics I was after in playing short sessions.

But guess what? Right across the street (tropicana, with a walkway right there), was Hooters who had free parking. We could park at Hooters and I could be inside the side entrance of MGM (the entrance where the "underground' is located). in less than 5 minutes. And there was a blackjack pit right there feet away.

And once we were parking at Hooters, it was a natural for my partner to step inside and play some VP and see if they offered any decent mailers, which it turned out they did. Not fantastic but decent enough. And once that occurred it meant a visit to Hooters/MGM almost every week. And at some point, while waiting for my partner, I sat down and played some blackjack with a slightly reduced spread.

No great mystery Smurger. I thought you were so close to catching me with something though. Keep sleuthing! :rolleyes:

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You said that you bet $400 at Oyo, and under the table max, and I said that I don't believe they have a $500 max table.

Do you understand this? Have I missed something?

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Yeah, for one I started out playing Hooters, before they were OYO and they most certainly had tables that were $500 max or more because they had $25 minimum. Places that have $25 min table the max is at least $500, usually $1000. And while I don't remember what the max was when it became OYO (I can't recall every max bet amount from a decade ago at every place I played), I was still playing on occasion, so it had to be accommodated my reduced spread. And not just accommodate it, but didn't bump up against it.

Would you like to ask what brand underwear I had on the days we played Hooters/MGM? perhaps you can "get" me with that? :confused:

Hooters most certainly did not have a $25 min table in the last 8 years (probably ever but I can't be sure).

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They most certainly did. I would not have played a $5 or $10 table full of drunk hooters players. The game would have moved too slowly and the EV would have been way too small. they had a $25 table that was open late afternoons and evenings, where there were usually only a couple players.

And OYO had a $25 table at least for a short time after they took over. I know this because OYO took over late summer 2019. And I was playing heads up with a part-time dealer that also worked at Hard Rock Casino at the time., which would have been fall 2019. This dealer informed me that Hard Rock would be closing for a 3 month period just after the superbowl, while transforming to Virgin Casinos. Information I did not know. (that 3 month period turned into over a year when covid hit and other issues I guess).

But the point is I was playing heads up with this duel property dealer late in the afternoon, and I could not have gotten a heads up game at anything less than $25. $5 and $10 games were packed. $5 games actually paid 6:5 which I would not have touched.

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Hooters most certainly did not have a $25 min table in the last 8 years (probably ever but I can't be sure).

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I can prove at least 18 of your stories are pure lies but I don't want these psychos on here knowing who you are. You always say no one can prove but I *CAN* prove it. I know who you are. I have the proofs. I just don't want to dox it so I let you continue with your lies.

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I can prove at least 18 of your stories are pure lies but I don't want these psychos on here knowing who you are. You always say no one can prove but I *CAN* prove it. I know who you are. I have the proofs. I just don't want to dox it so I let you continue with your lies.

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MDawg, it's pretty clear from the kewlJ(s) latest responses to my thread that there is and has been more than one idiot posting as kewlJ.

Interacting with that handle is a complete waste of time.

Todd allowing that handle to flood this forum is a shame. It is clearly multiple people. Now we are probably just months away from AI largely taking over most posting as avatars for the original posters, so I guess in the long run it doesn't really matter. But in the short run, kewlJ is certainly either multiples or someone with severe memory issues.

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I can prove at least 18 of your stories are pure lies but I don't want these psychos on here knowing who you are. You always say no one can prove but I *CAN* prove it. I know who you are. I have the proofs. I just don't want to dox it so I let you continue with your lies.

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MDawg, it's pretty clear from the kewlJ(s) latest responses to my thread that there is and has been more than one idiot posting as kewlJ.

Interacting with that handle is a complete waste of time.

Todd allowing that handle to flood this forum is a shame. It is clearly multiple people. Now we are probably just months away from AI largely taking over most posting as avatars for the original posters, so I guess in the long run it doesn't really matter. But in the short run, kewlJ is certainly either multiples or someone with severe memory issues.

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I'm working on a forum unrelated to gambling that is just full of AI posters. They all have a biography, personality traits of various types, posting styles.

Once I get the software done maybe I can make one just for Kewl to interact with.

Of course in my case the goal is to get real posters in and such but you have to seed the convos and give people a reason to want to sign-up. <shrug>

BTW - I wish you would delete some of your inbox so I can exchange some info with you and Mdawg.

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MDawg, it's pretty clear from the kewlJ(s) latest responses to my thread that there is and has been more than one idiot posting as kewlJ.

Interacting with that handle is a complete waste of time.

Todd allowing that handle to flood this forum is a shame. It is clearly multiple people. Now we are probably just months away from AI largely taking over most posting as avatars for the original posters, so I guess in the long run it doesn't really matter. But in the short run, kewlJ is certainly either multiples or someone with severe memory issues.

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I'm working on a forum unrelated to gambling that is just full of AI posters. They all have a biography, personality traits of various types, posting styles.

Once I get the software done maybe I can make one just for Kewl to interact with.

Of course in my case the goal is to get real posters in and such but you have to seed the convos and give people a reason to want to sign-up. <shrug>

BTW - I wish you would delete some of your inbox so I can exchange some info with you and Mdawg.

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I'll clear some of it out tomorrow. I have an odd sentimental attachment to Alan's PMs to me and some of the old stuff. Will clean it up some. I apologize.

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I don't remember what the max was when it became OYO (I can't recall every max bet amount from a decade ago at every place I played). Places that have $25 min table the max is at least $500, usually $1000. OYO had a $25 table at least for a short time after they took over. I know this because OYO took over late summer 2019. And I was playing heads up with a part-time dealer that also worked at Hard Rock Casino at the time, which would have been fall 2019.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Would you like to ask what brand underwear I had on the days we played Hooters?

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There is no one else posting on my account but me. Looks like another made up lie Red intends to repeat.

there was a brief time my brother had an interest in posting. We asked dan Druff and the admin at GF how to go about making a second account that wouldn't look like a sock puppet with the same IP. Neither admin wanted us to do that. So my brother posted very briefly on my account until he lost interest and it was more so at GF than here.

I am the same guy Dietz. I just don't like people that post bullshit. For a long time you flew under my radar with that shit, claiming to be a professional sports bettor. Probably because I didn't know all that much about sports betting except as a recreational bettor. But then you exposed yourself as a tout, not a sports bettor, and Kim Lee came along and proved it further by identifying that you didn't even have what would have been a good enough win percentage to make any kind of real money.

YOU did that Dietz! I didn't do that to you. And you know what Dietz, this dragging your feet on a podcast where people that know might ask you questions you can't answer has only further proved who you are or more precisely are NOT.

I mean you are welcome to post here. Touts are welcome. Everyone is welcome. I enjoy stories from long time degenerate type gamblers. But you are NOT what you claimed to be all those years, which was the second coming of Billy Walters, who you name dropped frequently.

Just like Mdawgs story would have been interesting if he stuck to the facts, that he is a higher limit player that gambles, loses more than he wins and enjoys the high end comps he receives, your story would have been interesting if you were honest and said you tout people, selling picks, do a lit of sports betting, play some of the contests looking for a score.....whatever it took to get by. But just like Dawg you couldn't do that. You had to try to make it into something else.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I've gone over this many times. You ADDED needless details to your story. Adding fiction later in the story doesn't make you more difficult to find. It just pads the story with bullshit.

I would have no problem if you "lied" by changing around dates, times, or even the name of the casino. But the bullshit added in the second half of the story was at best padding for attention, and at worst the entire thing was false. We will never know.

I've stated before that I don't know if you really are a blackjack AP or not. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, and maybe you are but some of your stories are exaggerated. Again, we will likely never know.

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BTW - I wish you would delete some of your inbox so I can exchange some info with you and Mdawg.

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Now lets tackle THIS little piece of lunacy. Account, requesting deitz clear out some space so he can join the behind the scenes troll strategizing against me.

I have long known Dawg and account do this behind the scenes because account repeats Dawg lies and talking points. Plus, once account let it slip that they do. Now Account wants to bring deitz into the behind the scenes troll strategizing mix. Bring Singer in too.

Do you realize how fucking crazy it is for you to be strategizing privately about how you can troll and attack someone. Do you really think that is "normal" behavior" or do you think that might be some kind of compulsive obsession with someone. Dawg has a long history of working people behind the scenes trying to get them to say or vote a certain way in a poll. He is a complete nut case. AccountinQ, you have tied yourself to the wrong horse....or Dawg, or Troll. he is making you look as completely insane as he has proven to be.

SmurgerB, I can even tell you exactly where the $25 table was located. When you walked in the front door there was a blackjack table. Going counter clockwise in the pit there were 1 or 2 more tables on the west side which of the pit which would be the side closest to the cage/players card. These $5 & $10 tables were always filled with guys that looked like frat boy removed by 5-10 years. And there was a roulette table and craps table mixed in. But everything open was on that one half of the pit.

The $25 table was on the complete opposite side of the pit. Sort of the southeast corner of the pit and would have been near the Steaks and Shakes. (I am not sure the Steaks and Shakes was there during the Hooters years or during ALL the hooters years). It was the only blackjack table on that side of the pit. And it wasn't open all the time.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

I don't whine like a fairy and have my panties in a bunch, like a repetitive whining UNKOOL poster.

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You are literally the easiest person in the history to troll. Spin you up like a top and away you go.

You know why? Because your panties are always in a bunch..

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I am the same guy

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This homosexual is a closeted retard.

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I am the same guy

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This homosexual is a closeted retard.

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This PEDO is a copycat. Can't even come up with his own shit.

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Bbbwwwaaahhhhhh, the kewl-groomer makin the scene with yet more bulls-shits narrative, hey hey!!!!

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I am the same guy

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This homosexual is a PEDO.

I only read like the first 2 pages, but anyone that always talks negatively about card counting usually comes from a place of bitterness. That's what I've always come to realize. It's the guys that wish they were good enough to do it, but never were able to, so they use excuses like "It's not worth my time". "It's so boring", "There's so much heat", "There are better things", etc. etc. The last one is interesting because yes there are better things, but those are usually temporary. Very few AP'able things have lasted the test of time like card counting has and nothing has also brought as much negativity about it whether from casinos or from AP's. That's when you know that type of play has struck a cord with people. Nothing just strikes a cord for no reason. It strikes a cord with so many people because it's a legitimate and a very threatening form of play that although casinos mostly overreact to, they also understand how good it is and how they cant just take it away. Also the 'so much heat' argument that I always hear from people always cracks me up. These guys dont know or didnt know what the fuck they were doing and/or had very little discipline to grind it out, so they end up failing with excuses about how bad it is, how it's not possible to do it long term, or how there's so many better things out there. The actual truth of the matter with counting is that it actually takes discipline, skill, bankroll, as well as critical thinking to know how to get away with it, and most people dont have all of that. A lot of AP activities do not require all of these variables. There's a lot of shit out there that attracts all form of wannabe APs where you can have leaks in your game and still get away with making money or at least some money at it. With counting there's no part of it where you can have any leaks whatsoever without giving away your edge or going bust if you plan on doing it for a living or for any amount of reasonable time. This is why card counting gets such a bad rap. It's because so many people failed at it and use excuses as to why they don't do it anymore or never did it in the first place. In my opinion, if you do it right and have the right approach, which takes a lot of studying and time to understand how to exactly do it right, it's still one of the best form of AP plays out there, plain and simple.

There's a part of me that wants to go back to blackjack as I added something to my game that should keep me well under the radar for an indefinite amount of time while still getting the money with very little added risk, while also keeping n0 relatively the same. I'm currently working on a different angle that seems like it's going to pay off big, so as of now blackjack is in the rear view mirror, but if I ever do go back, I have a decent plan of attack that should work as long as I mentally don't act like an idiot like I did in my first 7 years of doing it. My biggest problem was that I could never get over the paranoia part of casinos cheating me, as irrational as that may sound to people, the variance of the game with the combination of building up a bankroll, while also having expenses, probably just was too much for my brain to endure without venting in a very destructive way. I still wonder about casinos cheating, but looking back, I probably overreacted as my SD's were always within a reasonable level at each property. This does lead me to my next point, which KJ also talked about a bit. The ones who never vent, never show frustration, say all the right things their whole career, and never showed any vulnerable side to them, are almost always, if not always, all fucking frauds. The guys who act like they can do no wrong, have no weaknesses, "Just focus on EV" type of guys, is a massive red flag. Eventually, yes, you want to and should get to the point of just focusing on EV, but if the whole way through, they just talk and act like an 'expert', be very skeptical of those guys, as their whole schtick is to play the part and act like they're an accomplished player to build their reputations, build networks, and get in on the inside. The ones who actually grinded up a bankroll know how brutal it can be and I don't care what AP activity it was to build it. If you never been through the grind, these politically correct can do no wrong types of people can fool you, but the ones that actually went through the grind can sniff that out in a heartbeat. This industry is massively polluted with frauds that talk a big game, but like I stated before, they are bitter and failed APs, so they have to 'sell' something, whether it's selling themselves(not in a prostitute kind of way) but in a reputation type of way, or simply by just selling information in some form or another to make ends meet. Very few people out there can actually say they grinded up a bankroll by themselves and continue to work in a solo capacity. While I don't want to criticize anyone that's ever team played, the ones that usually go that route do it out of desperation and not as a way of scaling. Be very skeptical of people that are constantly doing team plays and have no individual history of playing for any length of time. For the guys who sell information or sell picks, well, those guys are just blatantly frauds.

Zenking, you have become a very good poster. You were always smart and knowledgeable about card counting. But it is now very evident you think fast on your feet and have good common sense and can easily see what drives the trolls and haters on forums.

I am sure you always had all or most of this, but we didn't always see it because you chose only to post immediately after a bad session or experience when you were still emotional about it.

I now really look forward to your posts. This (I will skip the adjective) forum needs more discussion like you now provide.

Have a happy holiday season or what is left of it. Be happy, successful and enjoy life.

KJ

Ps. One thing though is you are really down on players that engaged in team play. I "get" that to some degree. You and I are solo type "lone wolf" players. That is who we are at our core, and what we will always be, even if we get into other areas. BUT you seem to really look down at people that were involved in team play, while I just have the attitude it is not for me, but less looking down on them. (as long as they aren't doing something that ruins something for me). :cool:

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Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

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Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

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The guys who act like they can do no wrong, have no weaknesses, "Just focus on EV"

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Expected Value is NOT an opinion.

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type of guys, is a massive red flag.

the whole way through, they just talk and act like an 'expert'

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KJ BJ expert?

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, be very skeptical of those guys, as their whole schtick is to play the part and act like they're an accomplished player

those guys are just blatantly frauds.

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I'm rather certain he has money from something he feels shame over

Most likely a prostitute

Pretending to be some hero AP gives him purpose and a sense of accomplishment.

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You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

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FraudJ had a highly refined blackjack story that he worked for almost 2 decades before he outed himself as the tunnel dwelling male prostitute fraud that he is.:cool:

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kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

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And now I am going to address this loony toon character ZenKing and it will be for the last time.

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I only read like the first 2 pages, but anyone that always talks negatively about card counting usually comes from a place of bitterness. That's what I've always come to realize. It's the guys that wish they were good enough to do it, but never were able to, so they use excuses like "It's not worth my time". "It's so boring", "There's so much heat", "There are better things", etc. etc. The last one is interesting because yes there are better things, but those are usually temporary. Very few AP'able things have lasted the test of time like card counting has and nothing has also brought as much negativity about it whether from casinos or from AP's. That's when you know that type of play has struck a cord with people. Nothing just strikes a cord for no reason. It strikes a cord with so many people because it's a legitimate and a very threatening form of play that although casinos mostly overreact to, they also understand how good it is and how they cant just take it away. Also the 'so much heat' argument that I always hear from people always cracks me up. These guys dont know or didnt know what the fuck they were doing and/or had very little discipline to grind it out, so they end up failing with excuses about how bad it is, how it's not possible to do it long term, or how there's so many better things out there. The actual truth of the matter with counting is that it actually takes discipline, skill, bankroll, as well as critical thinking to know how to get away with it, and most people dont have all of that. A lot of AP activities do not require all of these variables. There's a lot of shit out there that attracts all form of wannabe APs where you can have leaks in your game and still get away with making money or at least some money at it. With counting there's no part of it where you can have any leaks whatsoever without giving away your edge or going bust if you plan on doing it for a living or for any amount of reasonable time. This is why card counting gets such a bad rap. It's because so many people failed at it and use excuses as to why they don't do it anymore or never did it in the first place. In my opinion, if you do it right and have the right approach, which takes a lot of studying and time to understand how to exactly do it right, it's still one of the best form of AP plays out there, plain and simple.

There's a part of me that wants to go back to blackjack as I added something to my game that should keep me well under the radar for an indefinite amount of time while still getting the money with very little added risk, while also keeping n0 relatively the same. I'm currently working on a different angle that seems like it's going to pay off big, so as of now blackjack is in the rear view mirror, but if I ever do go back, I have a decent plan of attack that should work as long as I mentally don't act like an idiot like I did in my first 7 years of doing it. My biggest problem was that I could never get over the paranoia part of casinos cheating me, as irrational as that may sound to people, the variance of the game with the combination of building up a bankroll, while also having expenses, probably just was too much for my brain to endure without venting in a very destructive way. I still wonder about casinos cheating, but looking back, I probably overreacted as my SD's were always within a reasonable level at each property. This does lead me to my next point, which KJ also talked about a bit. The ones who never vent, never show frustration, say all the right things their whole career, and never showed any vulnerable side to them, are almost always, if not always, all fucking frauds. The guys who act like they can do no wrong, have no weaknesses, "Just focus on EV" type of guys, is a massive red flag. Eventually, yes, you want to and should get to the point of just focusing on EV, but if the whole way through, they just talk and act like an 'expert', be very skeptical of those guys, as their whole schtick is to play the part and act like they're an accomplished player to build their reputations, build networks, and get in on the inside. The ones who actually grinded up a bankroll know how brutal it can be and I don't care what AP activity it was to build it. If you never been through the grind, these politically correct can do no wrong types of people can fool you, but the ones that actually went through the grind can sniff that out in a heartbeat. This industry is massively polluted with frauds that talk a big game, but like I stated before, they are bitter and failed APs, so they have to 'sell' something, whether it's selling themselves(not in a prostitute kind of way) but in a reputation type of way, or simply by just selling information in some form or another to make ends meet. Very few people out there can actually say they grinded up a bankroll by themselves and continue to work in a solo capacity. While I don't want to criticize anyone that's ever team played, the ones that usually go that route do it out of desperation and not as a way of scaling. Be very skeptical of people that are constantly doing team plays and have no individual history of playing for any length of time. For the guys who sell information or sell picks, well, those guys are just blatantly frauds.

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Card counting is what it is but clearly you can have leaks and still make money. It is not some steely eyed test that separates the perfect men from the imperfect children.it is like all gambling.

You razz those who speak poorly of counting but then do the flipside.

To be clear I think counting is fine. Could be fun. Some people are in the right spot and makeup in life to try it full time professionally but I'd never recommend that. As a weekend warrior AP thing then sure go for it. Move to LV and commence grinding? Uuhhhhh even if you can pull it off - Look at that grind and think long and hard whether it is a good move.