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That's a 10/4, good buddy. Well, maybe not that good a buddy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Plenty of exceptions out there CR, just like the majority of whites aren't racist & the majority of blacks are good people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Room
I'll tell my wife that from the picture I posted here last year you think she's a "trophy wife". She'll think my time spent on this forum was not wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddb1
The big RV is nothing more than what someone who's planned for their retirement might like to get. It is now stored until next year while we settle in to our new home, at which point we'll be on the road 6 months a year.
Some of have it and some of us don't. Chew on that for a while.
No. It just means your wife is uglier than a mud fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Working "will work for food" signs in every location, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
All I can do is explain to people how its done. What each and every individual believes is their own business. In the end I could care less. I explain it to you. You don't believe then I don't care. You, Singer, choose to call every single AP in the gambling world a liar. All the hundreds of us. We are all liars and you are the truth? This is the undeniable truth: Singer chooses to call the entire world of AP's lairs. Not a one of them has ever made any money. Just gigolo, trailer living Rob Singer. He's the only one. The rest of us are just pure liars according to him. None of us have ever made a dime gambling according to his dumb ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I really hope you all take after dumb Slobby Dinger's ass. Be a dumass like him. I'm serious. We love having him around. It keeps many a dumass off the plays. We love having this peckerwood around running interference and keeping all the ones who might otherwise figure something out, on the dumb side. It leaves more advantage plays to us.
Keep it up, Rob. You are doing such a great job of keeping the idiots on the wrong side. Thanks, bro.
After switching from 9/5 DDB to (better paying? but much more boring) 9/6 JOB, got royal # 5 last night.
A wrap around sequential royal dannyj. Beautiful.
Nice hits dannyj, I was able to see all of your royal flush hits this year in between the discussions of advantage play theory.
I would personally play Jacks or Better all the time and never play to 9/5 DDB. Losing big amounts on a bad streak is usually more depressing than the losing streaks on JoB.
If winning is not enough for Jacks or Better, I will rather play at higher denominations to fulfill that desire, but I do not have such.
I like Bonus as a compromise between Jacks and DDB.
JoB is what people play who want points and do not expect to win anything. That's why it's so popular and readily available in 9/6 at most denominations. Casinos know that it's a sucker game and they make a ton off if it. That 99%+ pay table only helps them make a killing off of inexperienced, amateurish players. Take a look at the forums--so many chumps touting this game. It's a shame people are being so misled. And take about a snoozer of a game.....
I'm not sure it's touted. I think the experts refer to it as the basic game with the basic strategy.
I will never forget watching a player in the Caesars high limit room playing two machines simultaneously like a piano at $10 per coin. Quads were a handpay and that's the only time he slowed down. He played until the $40k royal came.
It's the amount of regular players who tout JoB as "their" game, and it's solely because of that misleading theoretical % it comes with at 9/6. It is the most discussed game on the vp forums. That tells you the amount of knowledge that's out there when it comes to understanding how to win.
My results for 2014 for VP, almost exclusively JOB, was slightly less than 99.5% return per coin in. If anything, YOU are the one who is misleading others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But that means you lost money playing video poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Had you had your quads playing Bonus Poker you would have had a chance at making a profit.
If I have $500 in free-play and cash out $495 after playing it through, I consider that a $495 win, not a $5 loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Yes, but you didn't say you were using free play.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
More "AP" smoke and mirrors Alan...they lose but they win. And his admission to be playing JoB "almost exclusively" explains why his posts are so predictably boring.
Thanks alpax.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpax
If my options are 9/5 DDB or 9/6 JOB, I'll probably go with my preference for DDB as my primary play because i enjoy it so much more than JOB. I am there for entertainment.
I am with Alan in that I also like Bonus Poker. The special four of a kinds add a bit of zing and the double of the bet on two pairs lets my money last a lot longer.
FAB
I also play for recreation and not to be an AP like some on this forum, I primarily play JOB and Deuces Wild to stretch my limited bankroll allocation much as I can. It is not very common to find 9/6 JOB for quarters in most places in the country, as most places require a minimum $1 denomination if they do offer the game. Thus I would consider playing 9/6 JOB at quarters as a privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
It seems like the casino knows that DDB is the most played game and it can get away with lowering the paytable. One of the biggest principles of economics is when the demand is high, the prices can be kept high. The difference in the house edge of the 9/5 DDB and 9/6 JOB is substantial over the long term result; the DDB player has to hit more premium quads with kickers and Royal Flushes than usual to get the same payout as the JOB player who might get less Royal Flushes than usual.
I think you might enjoy Bonus Poker which still pays 2 for 1 on 2 pairs, but it does not have the kicker bonuses like DDB. The thrill of experiencing a jackpot does come at a higher cost in between them for DDB. I will play some DDB if I feel I went through a stretch of 3 play sessions where I have not seen a low quad or an ace quad.
As long as you are playing for entertainment and can manage yourself from losing more than you can afford to, it should be good. To be able to get five royals and the year still has a quarter left to go means you do play higher volume than most people.
On another note: I mistyped my last message. It should have been an exclamation mark instead of a comma. Congrats again!
I think the quads usually dictates how well your play session will be, if it comes more frequent than 1 in 420 rounds, chances are you will walk out a winner for the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Maybe the person's advantage play is get other people's casino club cards and use their free play off of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
It is to each person's own, but to me Full House and Flushes come up often than the low quads, it is not worth compromising a pay credit for the slightly boosted quads over JoB.Quote:
Originally Posted by FABismonte
I will think its worth the gamble if I seen two full houses and/or two flushes in less than a span of 100 rounds, I would switch to Bonus for the next 100 rounds for a chance at a bigger win. No guarantees through in independent probability.
alpax,Quote:
Originally Posted by alpax
I like to play in the lounge at our local casino because i enjoy the live entertainment they have nightly as well as the better pay tables at .25 denomination. Its funny, out on the casino floor the best DDB games at .25 i have seen is 8/5, with JOB being 7/5 i think. So out on the floor it is a no brainer for me to just play DDB. In the lounge its a mix, some machines have 9/5 DDB but with poorer paying schedules of BP and JOB. Others are 8/5 DDB with 9/6 JOB. So basically i have to change machines (if open) if i'm in a bad streak and want to play the best paying DDB or JOB.
I am definitely having an above average year for royals. You take the good with the bad right?
Well I'm saying it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
And now, playing 8/5 BP I would have made (won) less money. Maybe if I had only run like $10K or $50K coin in...it's a different story when you run more than $1M coin in.
Loaded with jackpots- I'll start posting some and try and liven up this forum
http://i.imgur.com/kms6mGj.jpg
You will find that those who have little to gamble with or who are afraid of gambling but just can't stay away from it, play what they tell themselves in their minds is the "safe", points-accumulating game of JoB. And all the while, casino managers everywhere give one great big smile when they continually walk thru their front doors.Quote:
Originally Posted by FABismonte
So what happened on the draw? I only see the initial four card royal deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsingerwho
I hope you got lucky.
Once I was dealt a royal on a 50-line 5-cent video poker game -- paid $10,000.
Several times I was dealt 4 to the royal and got squat on the draw.
Was trying to give some suspense
http://i.imgur.com/uTxy2US.jpg
Here is another
http://i.imgur.com/QJTNQLh.jpg
And one more for good luck
http://i.imgur.com/ADpSzgq.jpg
Nice wins! Thanks for joining and posting.
dannyj, it is very good that you are scouting the paytables throughout the casino. It is important, but for some reason certain casinos I been to have the best paytables on the bartops and certain ones have the worst ones out of the entire floor. I suppose they pressure people into caving into the temptation of alcohol. It is not worth switching machines, but yes I agree that the paytable arrangement is quite odd at the casino you play at.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
Savor the moment with the royal stretch as best as possible, I heard from people who play regularly that it is entirely possible go an entire year without one. Still set aside the winnings to the bankroll so that you could survive rough stretches.
Thanks for the suspense! I originally thought you were trolling there, but still thanks for sharing those hits!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsingerwho
I hope you took the hold off of the 10 spades before you hit the draw button there on Deuces Bonus! An Ace kicker will double the quad deuces payout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsingerwho
I'm glad you brought up the 10s being held. He held it. Look at the photo. I thought that was a kicker game. Is it?
Why did you hold all five cards here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsingerwho
Oh, I see this has already been asked! Well, let's ask it again.
By his moniker maybe its his "special play".Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
alpax thank you,Quote:
Originally Posted by alpax
I appreciate your sincerity. I cannot explain why my local place has an odd mixture of pay schedules on the bar top in the lounge. If i had to guess it would be age of machines. These are not new games as we have been here 10 years and have not changed.
Deuces Bonus pays 2000 for 2222A. Total incorrect play here. Look at the payable more closely next time you are by the machine. Nice hit either way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsingerwho
I drove up to Vegas on Thursday to take care of some business Thursday night. As some of you know, I have some clients in Vegas and do some TV advertising and marketing work there. After my business was conducted it was time to play.
I was able to make the trip with a two-night offer from Bellagio that included a modest amount of free play. When I checked in to Bellagio Thursday afternoon I immediately ran the $500 of free play (a lot more than Rincon ever gave me) in their $5 Video Poker Progressive but no luck. Not even one 4 of a kind, and no full houses or flushes either.
My meeting was with a client over at Caesars. After the meeting I walked over to the "mini dome" high limit area to play some video poker. The machines I like there with 8/5 Bonus are multi denominational: $5, $10 and $25.
Business has been good, and during the drive up from LA I dreamed of hitting a big royal. So, I took out a $5,000 marker (my usual for a trip to LV because I do not carry any cash with me) and sat down at my usual terminal in the mini-dome.
But this time -- perhaps because I was feeling good about business -- instead of playing at $5 I played at $25 per coin.
I've played $25/coin only a few times and only for a limited number of hands -- either you win something fast or you quickly move down to more affordable levels.
On Thursday night, I hit something fast.
With only $1,000 in the machine, I hit quad queens for $3125 -- and if you look at the picture -- it happened on my very last play.
Then, following the advice of Rob Singer -- I moved back to a lower denomination. I put $500 in the machine and at $5/coin played a few hands and then -- a straight flush. See the photo. At this point I am saying to myself -- suppose I didn't listen to Rob and was still playing $25/coin???
After the straight flush handpay, I continued to play at $5/coin thinking that I had my run of luck. And yes, I did think my good luck was over because I went through about $2,000 with nothing being hit. No quads -- I don't think I even got a full house or a flush. So out of frustration, I loaded another thousand in the machine, switched back to $25/coin hoping I was "due," played a couple of hands, and got quad 2s for a $5,000 pay. See the photo with half of the $1,000 "reload" gone and $500 remaining.
At this point I thought about repaying my $5,000 marker but I didn't. I figured I would hold onto the cash and use that marker money over at Bellagio since I don't have a credit line there.
But that's not what happened. Because after the quad 2s came the machine got "hot" and the flushes and full houses started coming. And then -- my dream and wish and hopes and desires came true: my cell phone rang and Katy Perry was calling me asking me to move in with her. No. It wasn't that dream. It was my other dream...
the big one hit. A $25/coin royal flush for $100,000. See the photo. And for everyone who doesn't believe me, see the photo of the check from Caesars. The check is for $90,000 because to get the check I had to pay back the $5,000 marker and I took $5,000 cash to play with at Bellagio.
I also sent photos of the royal to Rob who welcomed me to the "$100,000 club" and to my son Jason. Since I was in Vegas by myself, I said to Jason -- drive up and celebrate with me. I'll give you some money to play. Jason drove up and using my "seed money" he started hitting. We were at Bellagio now -- about 2 in the morning -- and he was playing Bellagio's $5 VP progressive. You could choose among six games and he was playing 9/5 Double Double Bonus because any quad with a kicker would have made him happy. Jason got quad 2s, 3s, and Jacks and Kings -- but nothing with a kicker. But he did hit the progressive royal for about $26,000. Photo below. Does he look like me?
While he was playing, I was playing, but I was losing. Since I had a check for $90,000 and wasn't going to cash it (it went into the bank Friday afternoon) and since I lost my $5,000 I had to borrow some of Jason's winnings from his quads to keep playing -- and that's when holding only one ace I drew three more aces plus a kicker for $10,000. Yes, I immediately paid Jason back. See the photo.
I admit that the balance of that $10K was lost in subsequent play -- but the $90,000 from the royal at Caesars is in the bank. And it's not going anywhere either -- Bank of America has a hold on the check for at least one week. Caesars issues checks from Wells Fargo. By the way, the checks do not say "Debtor In Possession" which is what I thought they would say since Caesars Palace is in bankruptcy.
Jason also took a check for most of his royal, but because Bellagio banks with Bank of America and so does Jason, his check will be cleared Monday morning.
It was a hoot of a time. And one more thing: at Bellagio I played craps and made the Small, Tall, All bets. Once when I shot I made the Tall ($10 paid $350) and once when I shot I made the Tall with a $25 bet ($25 paid $875). By the way, both times I only made two passes and I love the Small, Tall, All bets because it doesn't require you to make any passes -- just roll the numbers before any 7.
Well done sir...I mean sirs.
And the $25 symbol even has the entire number within the oval. How about that !
Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Awesome f'king hits Alan & Jason.
The tingle in your nuts Alan while drawing to the Jack of Hearts must have been unbelievable. I've never had that tingle!
Good job guys.
I didn't know I was drawing to a royal. I saw four hearts plus one black card which was small - no picture. I didn't know it was a royal draw until after everything was locked.
C'mon Alan? For 100K you didn't even pause for the obligatory extra three seconds before hitting the draw button?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelIson
I know I would have had a drink, smoked a cigarette, asked the cocktail server for a "favor" and only then would I have hit the button.
Anyway, once again AWESOME hit. Now there's only one step further to go. That elusive $400K royal! Good luck with your endeavors.
OMG! You guys must have been having sooo much fun! Congratulations to you both!
WOW that's amazing, Alan. Must have been an amazing feeling to hit that $100k, especially after a bad 2015 in VP for you, last I heard.
Only thing that bugs me a little bit is that you shot off that $10k you won near the end. I guess that's okay while you were running so hot and playing bigger than usual, but I just hope that $25/credit doesn't become your regular game now, because it will eat that $100k you won very quickly.
Anyway, very happy for you.
Honestly I didn't know that I had four heart royal cards. All I knew was that I had four hearts and a black card that didn't pair up.
Not sure why you said he'd eat thru $100k very quickly if he plays the $25 games. You know he doesn't and never would play them exclusively like a misguided AP would. Would you be saying that if he were to play 100.7% games vs. 99.2%? Haven't you seen enough to make you question why it is you're so fascinated with "only +EV games win and -EV games mean you'll lose"? What does it take to finally realize all that theory is only good in the books and the classroom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I'm waiting for the theorists to come on and claim how the math dictates that because he was playing in a -EV situation, that hand actually LOST money for him "in the long run"! So let's hear it from the geniuses--how much did that hand cost him?
Reality tends to make fools out of people who would rather sit back and quote theory every single time. Ya gotta love it :)
Rob, give the APs a break. After all, I was getting only one tier point for each $25 bet, instead of one point per $10 bet.
WOW! Beautiful hits guys.
Alan, are you going to buy that new car?
I hope I can get another 250,000 miles out of my 2003 Mercedes. I am putting money aside to pay taxes.
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
What a sight Alan.
I must have been staring at those pictures with awe for 5 minutes straight.
What a great weekend and what a great gamble to play for higher than usual stakes. I will not reach the 5 figure jackpot club anytime soon let alone seeing the 6 figure one. Each $25 hand is 5 Tier Credits/Reward Credits since it is $25 per credit and $125 bets (just 40 rounds equates to the $5000 marker) will get 5, so 1000 rounds is DIAD. I do not know if it gets any better than that, particular when both Alan and Jason both win with the top hands of the game on the same weekend.
Cheers and Congrats to the Mendelsons again! You will not miss Rincon with this moment.
Does it really matter how many silly reward credits he got?
Alan, do you drive a car with 250k miles on it back & forth to LV?
Yes Rob. I drive it back and forth. But keep in mind it's in great condition. Just a month ago had everything serviced: engine, transmission, brakes, tires, etc. Of course every time I spend $500 on maintenance Jason says "that was a payment on a new car." The car also has no scratches, nicks or dings.
About Reward Credits and Tier Points. Since I made 7 Stars it doesn't matter. If I was trying to reach it I would care.
Congratulations. Beautiful hits. Eat well.
Is it a diesel? I think that many miles would seriously challenge a gas engine, esp. if it's a V8.
Holy smokes! Congratulations.
Not a diesel and not a V8. My model is the C240.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
On another matter Bank of America is serious about their ten day hold on this check. Just got off the phone with them and for emergency purposes they'll release $500 now. Wow.
It's a Caesars check, can you blame them!?!?! I know you're safety conscious, but from them, I'd only take cash. And very nice wins!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What really surprised me is the check didn't say "debtor in possession." I think there are more guarantees when a check is a DIP check issued thru bankruptcy court supervision. Regnis might know.
I don't understand your concern with the time frame hold. Are you really worried about the check bouncing? If you had a legit concern then why didn't you just take the cash? I'm a bit confused as to why you keep pressing the issue about the hold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Checks clear in 24 hours. This is not the 1970s. Don't you find it unusual that there would be a ten day hold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boygenius
This morning the bank rep on the phone with me was asking what kind of business is Caesars. I said it's a casino in Las Vegas. The BofA rep asked "is this an online casino? Were these lotto tickets?"
About 10 years ago I had another big winning weekend -- but the check I brought home was $53,000. That check immediately cleared.
And you gave away money to these people as a tip for THIS kind of service? I would think Business 101 teaches never take a check from any entity involved in bankruptcy proceedings when cash is instantly available. I don't ever even trust a casino NOT in chapter 11 enuf to take checks for ANY amount. I'm sure Caesar's mgmt. was sweating it out until you bailed them out by taking a $90k check. Now YOU have to sweat it out for over a week. Is it worth it?
Rob I didn't tip Bank of America, and I have no concern about the check.
My problem is with BofA and not the casino.
There's an issue that BofA is holding your check for an unusually long time because of who the payer is. You've been with them a long time right? A $90k check written from WF and deposited into a good customer's account should have no more than a 3-day hold. BofA is my bank also and two months ago I put in a check from my brokerage account for $60k and there was a 3 business day hold. Caesars is the problem here.
Obviously. They've asked me enough questions about the casino aspect of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I am sure banks want to be careful they are not handling unlawful online casino money.
I tend to agree with Rob here -- taking cash was the no-problemo option. I had a sports future 14-15 years ago for a large chunk that was within two games of cashing. The casino was the Desert Inn and it was closing. I talked to upper management about whether the ticket was going to be easy to cash and what the protocols were for doing things smoothly. Bottom line -- they were not truthful. Had the ticket won, it would have been a complicated nightmare, as their instructions would have failed.
If bankruptcy and doors closing is Sword of Damocles stuff, no matter how big the company, I suggest taking the cash and eliminating any possible problems.
P.S. If you don't like carrying that much cash, Rob and I will work cheap as security!
redietz had I known I was going to get a handpay for $100,000 less the $5,000 marker payback I would have called you to escort me to Bank of America.
Gee... would you have helped me explain $95,000 in cash to Bank of America too?
Here's the bottom line: get real.
I find it really curious that you assume you need to provide an explanation to a bank, with the assumption being that your word at your bank isn't enough to explain 95K. You lead a nervous life, Alan. I'll leave it to Rob to expound on the Freudian/lifestyle implications of thinking people might question your alibis for having some cash.
$95 - thousand in cash? Sorry. I have no idea how to carry that much without looking like a nervous mob bagman or drug dealer.
It's all in your mind Alan, as are most peoples' problems that really aren't problems. No one knows if you're about to deposit a hundred grand in cash, carrying a weapon, or packing a monster between your legs. They simply don't care. You can look like a mobster, sweat bullets, or pee your pants while you wait in line. No one could care less because ten minutes from that point no one but you will have any concern about any of it. Your tipping the floor staff for nothing is the biggest problem surrounding your big win.
3 times I've gone into BofA with at least $90k and as high as $106k in cash to deposit it. No one cares, they ask you a few questions as they fill out their paperwork, and you leave happy.
The w2-g and your picture of the hand will explain it. That said, nothing wrong taking the check. I just wouldn't trust anything Caesars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Alan--usually the check would say "debtor in possession", but they could have requested and been granted the right to issue checks without that. You actually shouldn't have to worry about the check from Caesars as it is "post petition"---in other words it was drawn after the BK was filed. Therefore, it has priority over other types of payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
While in general they can't put a 3 week hold on a check, B of A is notorious for this and can claim that they were concerned about the ability of Caesars to make good on the check under the circumstances. It's one of the vague exceptions to the regular Hold rules.
If you're worried, Rob and I will give you $85,000 for the check-lol.
I once carried over $140,000 in cash in the Wynn self parking lot, unescorted. I admit I was a bit nervous.
Anyway, I believe the check is being held NOT because of CET's bankruptcy, but simply because it's large compared to your usual balance there (I assume), and there are many cases of forged/fraudulent checks these days.
A common scam involves forging a large check from a big company, depositing it, withdrawing the cash after it clears, and disappearing. By the time it's discovered that the check is forged, the criminal has vanished.
While they are not suspecting Alan of criminal behavior, I imagine that his account typically has a balance of a good deal less than $90k, so they are waiting additional time to make the money available, allowing the other side to notice if it's fraudulent.
If you have a huge-balance account, or one that makes $100k transactions routinely, they don't worry about this and make the money available as soon as the check clears.
Also, Alan, I am surprised you are driving to Vegas in a car with 250k miles.
There are so many issues that can occur causing a catastrophic breakdown at mileage like that, even if the car is in good shape. That's the last thing you want in the desert between LA and Vegas, especially in the summer or winter.
100% agree. Eliminate the risk and buy a more reliable car. Just as in vp, past performance does not guarantee there will not be a future disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Even in a brand new car it is kind of nerve-racking driving to and from Vegas. Many places along the way there is no cell service, and when driving in the middle of the night who knows what you will come up against.
Gosh... it's nice to know I have so many friends concerned about my safe driving! Maybe I should start a new thread in the Automobile section of the forum to discuss life expectancy of autos?
Anyway, here's an update on Bank of America: I was told they will "clear" $4,000 either tonight or tomorrow morning.
Yes, you guys are right -- I never had a checking account balance that came close to $90,000 but I have been with BofA since 1987 and never had a bounced check or any account problem. I still think the "problem" is that the check came from a casino and twice now I have had conversations with BofA officials who asked me if this check involved online gambling.
In hindsight I should have done this:
Taken the Caesars check (written on Wells Fargo) to a Wells Fargo where for a $10 non-customer fee I could have had it cashed and then purchased a cashier's check for another $10 fee for deposit into my BofA account for immediate access.
So... the next time I hit a $100,000 royal that's what I'll do!!
I wouldn't touch any of it until at least a week has past. If that thing bounces you'll wish you never hit that royal.
Badbeet, many newer cars have a GPS link to emergency services. There is no need for paranoia anywhere in this country.
They still rely on a data