When Weakness Prevails, Show Them The Meaning of Strength

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

It amazes me Mickey that they're obsessed with Singer... Singer is laughing his ass off.

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This is what Singer supporters Mickey and Alan have now come up with, but it is complete nonsense.

This guys has spent 2 decades building himself up and pretending to be something he is not...a winning player. And he has gone to great lengths including stunts like the RV dealership showroom fiasco. God knows how much time and effort he spent searching for, finding this most recent picture and having someone in his family (son, or grandchild) help him crop in and out things.

And he has spent some money to perpetrate this scam. Spent money on the movie prop money from amazon, spent money on an ad in RV trader for an RV that didn't exist. How much did it cost him to publish those books? :confused:

That is considerable time and money just to pretend you are something you are not. Decades!!! That is major narcistic behavior. It is not a cute little thing that he is laughing about. He has spend considerable time and effort and each time, is completely debunked and proven a fake. I can only imagine how pissed off he got when new member, Postivevariance showed up and exposed every little detail of what Rob did.

The only ones made a fool of were Alan and mickey. They can say otherwise, and deflect and call people names, but everyone knows it. And now they double down like even bigger fools.

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KJ and the Brokeback Boys define “Singer supporters” as anyone that doesn’t have Singer Derangement Syndrome.

Regarding who is or is not obsessed with the inestimable Rob.Singer:

Observation #1 -- Now I haven't done the math (I'm not that obsessed), but if someone were to tally up the number of posts in this thread from each of the alleged Brokeback Boys (I assume I'm one of them), and divide by the number of Brokeback Boys, one would have a number for this thread. Then if one were to tally up the number of thread from one mickey crimm in this thread, and compare that number to the average Brokeback post number, who do you think would appear to be more obsessed? I don't actually know, as I haven't done the math, but perhaps somebody could fill me in.

Observation #2 -- None of the Brokeback Boys has done a series of videos to debunk Rob.Singer's video poker systems, or Double Up claims, or anything else. All of us are capable of posting stuff on YouTube. So it begs the question, who is more obsessed -- the person who does Rob.Singer videos and posts them, or the people who do not?

Food for thought, eh?

I return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Originally Posted by redietz

perhaps somebody could fill me in.

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MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Originally Posted by redietz

perhaps somebody could fill me in.

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MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Coach Cunt is twice the cunt as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by redietz

perhaps somebody could fill me in.

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MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

Edit: I just did a quick tally. I have 207 posts. In that I kicked Rob's , the tramp's, and the Queen's reporter's asses.

The hobo has exactly 200 Singer guzzling posts that brought nothing to the table. Other than showing that once he latches onto you with his man serving duties he's not letting go....RIP

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by redietz

perhaps somebody could fill me in.

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MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

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That's because I got all the Brokeback Boys full time firing away at me. Each one of you deranged idiots deserves the humiliation I deliver to you. The difference between you guys and the rest of the world is the rest of the world don't give a shit whether Singer is lying or not. Only you 3 idiots care.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob has not presented any proof, and this discussion about images on a computer screen does not present any proof.

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Alan how many decades have you been waiting for the person posting as Rob Singer to show you proof of any of his different claims? :confused: Let me offer a quote by one Alan Mendelson: "Always an excuse but never any proof"

Now if this claim was going to be any different, Rob had his chance. He had a meeting set up BY HIM, to meet Maxpen and show whatever proof he wanted, W-2, further images, even his son, supposedly the guy in the picture. Rob didn't show! Not at the time of the meeting. He bizarrely claims he drove 5 hours to Las Vegas, walked through the meeting spot two hours early and left 90 minutes before that scheduled meeting to drive 5 more hours back home. I mean none of that happened either, but that is his....get ready for it Alan...excuse.

Overnight Axelwolf made an analogy using a prison shower reference. For the life of me, I don't know why so many people use these gay references, or why "gay" is on their mind 24/7, but the point of his analogy is something YOU should consider Alan, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

Alan, this make about a dozen times for you, that Rob has "fooled" you and you have come back for more. :rolleyes:

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Because non-gays don't like getting rammed in the ass, obviously Alan loves taking it in the ass when he believes a 9.5 is involved. Go do some research and see how many times Alan claims Rob jammed that 9.5 down his throat. Remember, Alan once banned Rob from here because Rob claimed he was going to write a scathing article about Alan or whatever. Alan has claimed he has been wronged and lied to by Rob multiple times, and yet, he keeps spreading his butt cheeks once he's forgotten all about the ass pain he's received previously.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

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That's because I got all the Brokeback Boys full time firing away at me. Each one of you deranged idiots deserves the humiliation I deliver to you. The difference between you guys and the rest of the world is the rest of the world don't give a shit whether Singer is lying or not. Only you 3 idiots care.

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I know you are just fucking with people, but for the life of me I can't figure out why Alan is such an idiot when it comes to anything gambling related.

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

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That's because I got all the Brokeback Boys full time firing away at me. Each one of you deranged idiots deserves the humiliation I deliver to you. The difference between you guys and the rest of the world is the rest of the world don't give a shit whether Singer is lying or not. Only you 3 idiots care.

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I know you are just fucking with people, but for the life of me I can't figure out why Alan is such an idiot when it comes to anything gambling related.

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Why is it restricted to gambling?

When has he not been an idiot?....lol

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by coach belly

MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

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That's because I got all the Brokeback Boys full time firing away at me. Each one of you deranged idiots deserves the humiliation I deliver to you. The difference between you guys and the rest of the world is the rest of the world don't give a shit whether Singer is lying or not. Only you 3 idiots care.

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If you're firing anything it is blanks......RIP

Alan not understanding the significance of the mouse cursor... it brings me back to a question I posted a few weeks ago. Has he always been like this?

This is going to sound snide, and it is snide, but it's also sincere...I wonder if he is suffering from dementia. He doesn't seem stupid on the surface but he seems to be incapable of reasoning or learning.

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Alan not understanding the significance of the mouse cursor

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Consider that you are not understanding the insignificance of the mouse cursor.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I just did a quick tally. I have 207 posts.

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That's more than twice as many as any other member.

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In that, I kicked Rob's , the tramp's, and the Queen's reporter's asses.

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Congrats...you're the most obsessed.

Get help, Crapgame.

Vladimir Revniaga

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Vladimir Revniaga

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https://twitter.com/nocartsplease/st...38946100690948

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by redietz

perhaps somebody could fill me in.

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MaxPen has more than twice as many posts in this thread than anyone else.

Who do you think would appear to be more obsessed?

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

Edit: I just did a quick tally. I have 207 posts. In that I kicked Rob's , the tramp's, and the Queen's reporter's asses.

The hobo has exactly 200 Singer guzzling posts that brought nothing to the table. Other than showing that once he latches onto you with his man serving duties he's not letting go....RIP

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Hahahahahaha!!! Ol' maxpunk pointing out I have 200 posts here like I'm obsessed. He thinks 200 posts is assinine. Then he finds out he has 207. Hahahahahaha!!!! You can't make this shit up. What a mental midget. Now get your Broke ass Singer Derangement Syndrome hurt butt back to stepping and fetching it for the team.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Why is it restricted to gambling?

When has he not been an idiot?....lol

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When I was teaching you the math, poser pro. Except you are to stupid to get it.

Hello, friends.

I am 27 pages into this clusterfuck of a thread. I took a trip to Vegas to play the WSOP. I'm 1-for-5 so far:

$1500 Omaha 8-or-Better: No cash
$1500 Stud: No cash
$1500 Limit Holdem: No cash
$1000 No Limit Holdem: No cash
COVID: Positive

I am now stuck in a hotel room, waiting for sufficient time for it to not be contagious, so I can come back to my family.

There's nothing to do for me for the next few days, aside from play online poker and read this thread. So here I am.

I will post my observations from the first 1/3 of this mess in the next post.

Let's discuss prop money. The money displayed in Rob's safe is 100% prop money, with a real $100 bill on top. That's obvious. Prop money is not colored the same as real money (it's a lot lighter, and comes off as white in a stack), and it's WAY flatter than real money. Even crisp new bills do not sit as flat as prop money.

Max's displayed money, while stacked up to where we can't see if they're all $100s, is definitely NOT prop money.


Regarding the jackpot picture: I agree with Mister V that it clearly wasn't taken by the big guy sitting at the machine. It was taken at an angle by someone behind him. But that's not the only problem. Among them:

- If Rob hit this jackpot, he would have had his picture taken next to the machine.

- It is unlikely Rob would have taken $700,000 worth of the winnings in cash, as this would be both pointless and a big risk regarding his drive back to Arizona.

- The inability to find the picture on Google means nothing. It could have come from a variety of places.

- The inability to track down the actual winner does not mean Rob's story is likely true. It just means we can't track down the actual winner.


I think it is actually likely that Rob does have some friend who works at casinos, and occasionally provides him with pictures of huge wins. He seems highly confident that the picture will never be located online, so it's not very likely that Rob found it by googling or reading AP forums. That would have been outed by now.



Finally, while I haven't yet gotten to the part of the great meetup, I will say that Rob was posting from a "Vegas" IP at the time he claimed he sent the $700k to Neresian. But there's a catch! The IP was part of a VPN service, meaning that Rob simply selected a Vegas IP through that service, and could literally be anywhere in the world (I'm guessing Arizona).

Interesting setup, though. He's got the jackpot picture, he's got the prop money, and he's got the VPN with Vegas IP capability. A lot of thought and planning went into this particular troll job.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Hello, friends.

I am 27 pages into this clusterfuck of a thread. I took a trip to Vegas to play the WSOP.

I am now stuck in a hotel room, waiting for sufficient time for it to not be contagious, so I can come back to my family.

There's nothing to do for me for the next few days, aside from play online poker and read this thread. So here I am.

I will post my observations from the first 1/3 of this mess in the next post.

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There’s always this, beats the hell out of discussing Singer. At least you got the 4th jab.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Hello, friends.

I am 27 pages into this clusterfuck of a thread. I took a trip to Vegas to play the WSOP. I'm 1-for-5 so far:

$1500 Omaha 8-or-Better: No cash
$1500 Stud: No cash
$1500 Limit Holdem: No cash
$1000 No Limit Holdem: No cash
COVID: Positive

I am now stuck in a hotel room, waiting for sufficient time for it to not be contagious, so I can come back to my family.

There's nothing to do for me for the next few days, aside from play online poker and read this thread. So here I am.

I will post my observations from the first 1/3 of this mess in the next post.

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Oof.

Just in case, who inherits this forum in your will?

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Oof.

Just in case, who inherits this forum in your will?

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The damn dirty stinking Paiute Tribe... that's who.

Monet, I do appreciate the Planet of the Apes reference.

Todd -- if you've been prescribed Paxlovid as treatment, bear in mind that a small percent of the time it just masks symptoms and reduces measured viral load, but you're not actually done with the virus. During the treatment, the virus is just reduced to lurking, but is still there and can re-bloom a few days after the treatment stops, in which case you'll test positive again after four or five days post-stop.

Just a heads up in case that was the treatment.

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Vladimir Revniaga

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https://twitter.com/nocartsplease/st...38946100690948

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Was the victim related to Jamal Khashoggi???

So Rob really used a Vegas area VPN? Surprise Surprise!
I can't wait for Druff to post his findings of Singers location the day he claimed to be in Vegas meeting MaxPen.
However, I think we already know.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

So Rob really used a Vegas area VPN? Surprise Surprise!
I can't wait for Druff to post his findings of Singers location the day he claimed to be in Vegas meeting MaxPen.
However, I think we already know.

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It's funny, I don't use a VPN, at least not intentionally. I was told on another forum that my internet provider, has one built in and shows me posting from all different areas that I am not. I don't really know how that works as I really am not very technically inclined. That is why earlier I said Rob's location for that day he was supposed to be in Vegas would come up Kansas, or New Mexico or somewhere. I didn't realize people can pick the location they want it to look like they are posting from. How lame. :rolleyes:

Funny thing is Druff is not even up to the point that you (PV) joined the forum and revealed exactly where that picture came from. Druff is still a couple weeks behind, not quite sure where it came from, but knowing it was not a legitimate picture of a legitimate hit by Singer. I was at the point too, before you came along and laid it all out. :D So I am just waiting for Druff to catch up, not that it will matter, if Singer returns he will call Druff names like he did in the past and if he doesn't return, his proxy mickey will just blow it off as being a big joke by Singer.

At any rate, Singer clearly had proposed a wager that MaxPen accepted (8 times), and Singer did not show at the place and time he set, meaning he reneged. That isn't supposed to be acceptable on any forum. Singer also incorporated Las Vegas renowned Gambling attorney Bob Nersesian, in his lie about placing escrow. For those offenses, hopefully Druff will put this guy (and us) out of his misery.

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

Sadism coupled with aggressive narcissism, that's my vote.

Having retired from government service and no longer being a contract killer Rob searches the web for new targets; he's just got to scratch that itch.

I always pictured him in an Aston Martin, not a Newell.

I think the reason that Rob was willing to blatantly lie regarding placing $700k with Bob Nersesian, is he knew if a random person called Nersesian, he couldnt confirm or deny such a claim due to legal consequences. Then if KJ called Nersesian, since they may have had prior business dealings/friendship, Nersesian would verify Singer never sent any money.
Singer would instantly claim KJ was a liar and demand "proof", which of course Nersesian would not provide because if he had in fact received money from singer (which he didn't) he would face legal consequences by disclosing dealings with other clients.

It's amazing the lengths Singer attempts to go to in order to try to get us to believe something he clearly isn't.

Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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I think the reason that Rob was willing to blatantly lie regarding placing $700k with Bob Nersesian, is he knew if a random person called Nersesian, he couldnt confirm or deny such a claim due to legal consequences. Then if KJ called Nersesian, since they may have had prior business dealings/friendship, Nersesian would verify Singer never sent any money.
Singer would instantly claim KJ was a liar and demand "proof", which of course Nersesian would not provide because if he had in fact received money from singer (which he didn't) he would face legal consequences by disclosing dealings with other clients.

It's amazing the lengths Singer attempts to go to in order to try to get us to believe something he clearly isn't.

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He has been doing this for decades. Amazing? Not the word I would use. Sad, pathetic, sick are words that immediately come to mind.

I believe you are mistaken about consequences for the attorney. If asked if he has received a 6 figure escrow regarding a wager on a gambling forum, saying "no" does not violate anything. There is no client or confidentiality to break because he hadn't received that escrow. Now had he received such an escrow, I don't know that he would have confirmed. At that point he might have said, I can't discuss it or can't confirm or deny. But having not received anything, there is no client, nor confidentiality to break.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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Yes. Alan starting, owning and running this forum was before my time, but yes.

The member list shows Alan as "founder" of the forum; his first post here was 8-24-10.

Several years ago he left in a huff but he gave the forum to the current owner, Todd Witteles, aka" Dan Druff."

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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Cliff Notes:

Quick summary from my perspective. I joined when Alan ran the forum as Best Buys. The Las Vegas section was about the experiences that Alan and others had in terms of types of play and comps and what you had to do to get what ratings where. People would talk about restaurant experiences and slot club experiences, that kind of thing. I found it useful, as sports betting comps had dried up from really useful discretionary comps and a buck for every $100 to $200 wagered down to no discretionary comps and a buck for every $400 to $600 wagered. So I got to check out other comp options and comp rates and all that, and what Alan had to do to get what. The forum was useful and relatively respectful.

Rob, who had a weekly Gaming Today column where he was quite often featured on the front page, was reasonably respected as knowing Las Vegas pretty well, even if he didn't quite have an optimal handle on how to play video poker. In fact, an issue of GT quite often featured Rob opining on his various systems while another columnist would discuss optimal video poker advantage play in the same issue.

Alan did some videos that can be found on YouTube where he interviewed Singer explaining his systems. A poster named Arci went head to head here versus Singer's systems claims. At one point, Rob was supposed to send his taxes to Alan to prove his claims of winning, and Arci was also. Arci, who played modest amounts part time, sent his taxes, which verified his winning claims. Rob reneged.

Personally, I went 2500 posts without mentioning that I was a sports handicapper until one day Rob decided to wax eloquent about how to bet sports and was so wrong, I felt I should pull rank and speak up.

Eventually, Alan sold the forum to Todd (Dan). Rob, Alan, and I pre-date all of the others here. We're the three guys who used our real names (everyone knows Rob Singer is Rob Argentino, as he stated it in his GT column more than once), and we're three of the oldest posters.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I think the reason that Rob was willing to blatantly lie regarding placing $700k with Bob Nersesian, is he knew if a random person called Nersesian, he couldnt confirm or deny such a claim due to legal consequences. Then if KJ called Nersesian, since they may have had prior business dealings/friendship, Nersesian would verify Singer never sent any money.
Singer would instantly claim KJ was a liar and demand "proof", which of course Nersesian would not provide because if he had in fact received money from singer (which he didn't) he would face legal consequences by disclosing dealings with other clients.

It's amazing the lengths Singer attempts to go to in order to try to get us to believe something he clearly isn't.

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He has been doing this for decades. Amazing? Not the word I would use. Sad, pathetic, sick are words that immediately come to mind.

I believe you are mistaken about consequences for the attorney. If asked if he has received a 6 figure escrow regarding a wager on a gambling forum, saying "no" does not violate anything. There is no client or confidentiality to break because he hadn't received that escrow. Now had he received such an escrow, I don't know that he would have confirmed. At that point he might have said, I can't discuss it or can't confirm or deny. But having not received anything, there is no client, nor confidentiality to break.

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Yeah, your probably correct. It's probably not illegal to say "no". Probably more "best practices" to say we don't discuss other clients, but yeah, a simple "no" would probably be ok legally.

MrV, legal opinion?

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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Cliff Notes:

Quick summary from my perspective. I joined when Alan ran the forum as Best Buys. The Las Vegas section was about the experiences that Alan and others had in terms of types of play and comps and what you had to do to get what ratings where. People would talk about restaurant experiences and slot club experiences, that kind of thing. I found it useful, as sports betting comps had dried up from really useful discretionary comps and a buck for every $100 to $200 wagered down to no discretionary comps and a buck for every $400 to $600 wagered. So I got to check out other comp options and comp rates and all that, and what Alan had to do to get what. The forum was useful and relatively respectful.

Rob, who had a weekly Gaming Today column where he was quite often featured on the front page, was reasonably respected as knowing Las Vegas pretty well, even if he didn't quite have an optimal handle on how to play video poker. In fact, an issue of GT quite often featured Rob opining on his various systems while another columnist would discuss optimal video poker advantage play in the same issue.

Alan did some videos that can be found on YouTube where he interviewed Singer explaining his systems. A poster named Arci went head to head here versus Singer's systems claims. At one point, Rob was supposed to send his taxes to Alan to prove his claims of winning, and Arci was also. Arci, who played modest amounts part time, sent his taxes, which verified his winning claims. Rob reneged.

Personally, I went 2500 posts without mentioning that I was a sports handicapper until one day Rob decided to wax eloquent about how to bet sports and was so wrong, I felt I should pull rank and speak up.

Eventually, Alan sold the forum to Todd (Dan). Rob, Alan, and I pre-date all of the others here. We're the three guys who used our real names (everyone knows Rob Singer is Rob Argentino, as he stated it in his GT column more than once), and we're three of the oldest posters.

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Interesting, Thank you!

Ps: I did see the Alan/Singer interview. The math defying stuff as well lol

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MrV, legal opinion?

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If in fact Rob never contacted the atty then there is no impediment to the atty saying "NO" as there is no atty / client relationship.

If however Rob escrowed the money I see no reason why Rob would not want MaxPen to know this, as Max was supposed to escrow money as well.

So yeah, if he escrowed it and Max inquired if it had been escrowed then the atty should acknowledge the fact, UNLESS for some insane reason Rob told the atty not to tell anyone.

Not clear as to inquiries by uninvolved third parties; caution would dictate a "no comment" but only if Rob escrowed the funds; otherwise the atty should be free to say "No, I never heard of this guy before."

Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span doing the things that every other VP AP do and make money at, Singer lost several hundred thousand dollars. THIS was the only thing he has ever been honest about.

Now let's just examine this for a moment. It is pretty damn hard to fail as a VP AP, unless you are a complete moron or degenerate gambler. Even I who am not the smartest guy, have enjoyed almost a decade of success playing VP the "mailer game". And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. :rolleyes: For that angle, the mailer game, all that is necessary is the discipline to play only the coin in needed to generate the mailer offers that make the whole play positive EV. The only way a player can fail is if he is a degenerate gambler that can't adhere to that discipline needed, and just continues to gamble away all the profits and all. Singer failed because he IS a degenerate gambler.

From that point on, unable to be the AP that he had dreamed of, it was one claim after another, all defying math. Every claim was an alternative universe of claims that couldn't be by the math. And anyone who challenged those claims based on the math, was attacked and belittled, because that is the only way he could answer.

One after another, all debunked, until he finally stole "the double up bug claim" that had been in the news a few years earlier. This one couldn't be debunked because of the math. But it was pretty evident to almost everyone that he stole this claim and did not play it or make any real money.

Each time that there is almost no one left that believed his claims he would escalate with a new bigger claim and the process of challenging and attacks and name calling would repeat. And each time when finally debunked and the truth came out, he looked more and more pathetic, until present day.

Weird how his seeming antipathy toward Dancer induced Rob Argentino to adopt a similar last name for gambling forum use: "Singer" as compared to "Dancer."

Not sure what his point was though.

Rob said in 2009 that he had no problem with people knowing his real name: see

https://forum.vpfree2.com/t/the-frau...rgentino/66785

Gosh, I wonder whatever happened to the "new cash-bought Corvette ZR1/ZR3?"

LOL

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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I agree with this point of interpretation. Rob has been falsely representing himself as a successful gambler his whole public life. These aren't pranks.

As KewlJ pointed out in another post about this, it's noteworthy that Rob actually named himself after Bob Dancer. Sure it's a joke but it's also kind of intriguing, because he has essentially modeled himself after Dancer, the Las Vegas public video poker pro. He's like Bob Dancer's shadow. The fantasy of success rather than the reality.

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Considering the hobo has at least 200 posts in this thread alone I highly doubt that.....RIP

I wouldn't expect your dumbass to see anything clearly though.

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That's because I got all the Brokeback Boys full time firing away at me. Each one of you deranged idiots deserves the humiliation I deliver to you. The difference between you guys and the rest of the world is the rest of the world don't give a shit whether Singer is lying or not. Only you 3 idiots care.

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If you're firing anything it is blanks......RIP

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Keystoner is firing jizz up your ass, gayboy.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Hello, friends.

I am 27 pages into this clusterfuck of a thread. I took a trip to Vegas to play the WSOP. I'm 1-for-5 so far:

$1500 Omaha 8-or-Better: No cash
$1500 Stud: No cash
$1500 Limit Holdem: No cash
$1000 No Limit Holdem: No cash
COVID: Positive

I am now stuck in a hotel room, waiting for sufficient time for it to not be contagious, so I can come back to my family.

There's nothing to do for me for the next few days, aside from play online poker and read this thread. So here I am.

I will post my observations from the first 1/3 of this mess in the next post.

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Doyle Brunson tweeted that covid is all over the WSOP and he had to leave.

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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Why Todd allows you and the other Brokeback Boys to continuously troll is beyond me. When Singer quit this forum a couple of years ago you Brokebacks continued to troll him unmercifully everyday. He wasn't responding but you trolls kept it up. You wouldn't leave well enough alone. All you Brokebacks have Singer Derangement Syndrome.

You guys think all the nasty things you've said about Singer in the past few years don't count. WTF? You guys are worse than Singer because you gang up on one guy.

Todd should ban maxipuke, tewlj and the ditz once and for all. They are nothing but pure ass trolls that add nothing of value to the forum.

If Singer never returns the hot topic on VCT will always be Singer as long as the Brokebacks are here. They are obsessed with him They are obsessed beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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I agree with this point of interpretation. Rob has been falsely representing himself as a successful gambler his whole public life. These aren't pranks.

As KewlJ pointed out in another post about this, it's noteworthy that Rob actually named himself after Bob Dancer. Sure it's a joke but it's also kind of intriguing, because he has essentially modeled himself after Dancer, the Las Vegas public video poker pro. He's like Bob Dancer's shadow. The fantasy of success rather than the reality.

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This last fake money in the safe and big jackpot was a "We ReMade Bob Dancer's Life for $20" kind of parody.

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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Why Todd allows you and the other Brokeback Boys to continuously troll is beyond me. When Singer quit this forum a couple of years ago you Brokebacks continued to troll him unmercifully everyday. He wasn't responding but you trolls kept it up. You wouldn't leave well enough alone. He came back because of you assholes. All you Brokebacks have Singer Derangement Syndrome. YOU DESERVE TO BE PUNKED.

You guys think all the nasty things you've said about Singer in the past few years don't count. WTF? You guys are worse than Singer because you gang up on one guy.

Todd should ban maxipuke, tewlj and the ditz once and for all. They are nothing but pure ass trolls that add nothing of value to the forum.

If Singer never returns the hot topic on VCT will always be Singer as long as the Brokebacks are here. They are obsessed with him They are obsessed beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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It used to be called Alanbestbuysforum.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span doing the things that every other VP AP do and make money at, Singer lost several hundred thousand dollars. THIS was the only thing he has ever been honest about.

Now let's just examine this for a moment. It is pretty damn hard to fail as a VP AP, unless you are a complete moron or degenerate gambler. Even I who am not the smartest guy, have enjoyed almost a decade of success playing VP the "mailer game". And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. :rolleyes: For that angle, the mailer game, all that is necessary is the discipline to play only the coin in needed to generate the mailer offers that make the whole play positive EV. The only way a player can fail is if he is a degenerate gambler that can't adhere to that discipline needed, and just continues to gamble away all the profits and all. Singer failed because he IS a degenerate gambler.

From that point on, unable to be the AP that he had dreamed of, it was one claim after another, all defying math. Every claim was an alternative universe of claims that couldn't be by the math. And anyone who challenged those claims based on the math, was attacked and belittled, because that is the only way he could answer.

One after another, all debunked, until he finally stole "the double up bug claim" that had been in the news a few years earlier. This one couldn't be debunked because of the math. But it was pretty evident to almost everyone that he stole this claim and did not play it or make any real money.

Each time that there is almost no one left that believed his claims he would escalate with a new bigger claim and the process of challenging and attacks and name calling would repeat. And each time when finally debunked and the truth came out, he looked more and more pathetic, until present day.

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How do you know Rob was telling the truth about losing hundreds of thousands in the nineties? What evidence do you have. Or are you making shit up again? Yes....you are.

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Originally Posted by redietz

If anyone is arguing that Rob.Singer did this stuff as an alleged prank, the problem is that he goes on narcissistic, "feel the pain" rants, where he goes after people personally in vicious public ways. So it's not much of a prank. It's an excuse of some kind to attack and denigrate people who point out the absurd garbage he's posting. That's most of what it is. It's also a way to get hangers-on to join him in attacking others in a personal way.

I call it psychotic performance art. He knows his set-up is just like Cracked's "We ReMade The Batman for $20." It's cheap and obviously fake and silly, but it provides him the opportunity to say vile things as a way to defend himself. It gives others a chance to flex their absurdist arguments so they can do the same. Mickey winds up saying "I have no reason to disbelieve Rob.Singer." Coach belly tries to find some Socratic flaw in the evidence that Singer didn't win any jackpot, while badmouthing the people who have calmly and seriously tried to explain the problems inherent in the Rob.Singer posts. Alan withholds judgement because he has an "open mind."

Why Todd allows this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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You got punked. Live with it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span doing the things that every other VP AP do and make money at, Singer lost several hundred thousand dollars. THIS was the only thing he has ever been honest about.



Now let's just examine this for a moment. It is pretty damn hard to fail as a VP AP, unless you are a complete moron or degenerate gambler. Even I who am not the smartest guy, have enjoyed almost a decade of success playing VP the "mailer game". And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. :rolleyes: For that angle, the mailer game, all that is necessary is the discipline to play only the coin in needed to generate the mailer offers that make the whole play positive EV. The only way a player can fail is if he is a degenerate gambler that can't adhere to that discipline needed, and just continues to gamble away all the profits and all. Singer failed because he IS a degenerate gambler.

From that point on, unable to be the AP that he had dreamed of, it was one claim after another, all defying math. Every claim was an alternative universe of claims that couldn't be by the math. And anyone who challenged those claims based on the math, was attacked and belittled, because that is the only way he could answer.

One after another, all debunked, until he finally stole "the double up bug claim" that had been in the news a few years earlier. This one couldn't be debunked because of the math. But it was pretty evident to almost everyone that he stole this claim and did not play it or make any real money.

Each time that there is almost no one left that believed his claims he would escalate with a new bigger claim and the process of challenging and attacks and name calling would repeat. And each time when finally debunked and the truth came out, he looked more and more pathetic, until present day.

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Now do yourself fake !!

You have masqueraded for over a decade on these boards as a mid level blackjack grinder because it’s more believable. For the sole purpose of trolling for wealthy gay men to exploit!!! This makes you a scammer and worst then singers belly laughing troll stunts.

If you total up all the characters you have typed in across multiple forums for the last ten years plus you have posted the most. This is your job to consistently look for new victims to exploit. Victims you bribe !!! They will come forward to expose you gunplay.

So I looked up the definitions of being "punked" as a verb (transitive).

The first is "to humiliate." Not sure how someone else claiming they won money, being exposed as a liar, and placing pics of fake cash online humiliates me, but okay. Better me than them, I guess.

Then 2-A is to dupe or deceive. Well, if nobody is actually deceived, not sure how they were punked, but okay, let's continue.

We come to 2-B, which is to play a practical joke on. Again, a practical joke requires, at some point, for someone to be fooled somehow. If nobody's fooled, not much punking happening.

So I guess when the definitions are exhausted, we come to the idea that somebody is punking if they post something nobody believes, but they believe other people believe, so in essence they are punking themselves. I guess that's a possibility. Another possibility is if somebody claims to not disbelieve something, but they disbelieve it, but they think everyone else thinks they believe it, when everyone else actually just thinks they're lying, well, that person is -- once again -- punking themselves.

Oh, what a tangled punking we weave, when we think we've affected what others believe, but the only belief that's off the wall, is the belief that somehow we've punked them all.

I would like to take a moment during this Pride Month to recognize a true legend amongst us. Lady Boy Crimm has proven that he is truly a special woman. He has latched himself onto the Singer 9.5 like a rabid dog on a biscuit. If nothing else his loyalty should be acknowledged. Congrats Hobo :)

I dont remember Singer "quitting" the forum? I remember him being banned and then 6 month later Dan Druff allowed him back to participate in one single thread, which of course was never enforced.

Other than that the only other times Singer disappeared was usually after he had been thoroughly debunked and humiliated. He would then disappear for a bit.

Maybe I just dont remember Mickey's version of an announced retirement.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span

And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. .

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There was very little in the way of mailers back in the 90s. I remember my first mailer. It came from the Desert Inn after a 100k+ coin in on a single line $5 9/6 with a 1% cash back and some other stuff going on (they only had single line VP then). They sent me a $500 play till you lose chip for blackjack(I could have been any game, I can't remember that aspect, but I played BJ and it turned into 2k.

At some point, Palace Station was sending me $25 a week or so, where you picked up the cash. I probably had 500k in action there during that time.

Later, Other places such as the Rio got in on the action and they were giving me $50 1-3 times a week( I can't recall the frequency.) That was earned by playing a shit ton on the+EV Hot Reels slots. I first spotted Hot reels at the Hard Rock during a promo.

Hot Reels was a .25 multi-line slot where you actually played it like VP making holds and draws, they had 2 different versions around. It said right on the machine that it had over 100% payback. I don't remember if it was 4 or 5 lines or what the max bet total was.

The good mail really didn't start until free play become widespread and systems were in place to calculate and automate it.

So I didn't miss out on the "good times" by as much as I thought. :cool:

I believe Singer fabricates these stories for reasons much deeper than to get a few laughs. Once you make the claim (a lie) and it's realized to be a lie, or "a joke" to get a few laughs, the person who made the claim would then laugh with everyone else. Singer will continue to make the claim regardless of there being a mountain of evidence showing the claims to be false.

I believe his Desire to be a successful winning AP is so strong that he has to make up these stories to not just fit in, but tell stories that surpass all claims made by other forum members.

I look at Singers claims similar to creeps that impersonate police officers. They make claims of being an officer, they may buy a retired crown Vic or outfit a new one with lights and sirens, carry police equipment, badge, ID, ect. Some impersonators even go as far as making traffic stops. They want to be a police officer so bad, but for whatever reason they can't. Maybe it's their criminal record, Background test ect. Many will even tell real police officers they are a cop. They want OTHERS TO BELIEVE IT so bad. I think alot has to do with a narcissistic personality.

This is similar to what Singer has, but his facination is with AP gambling not Police. Fortunately for Singer his disease doesn't involve an illegal fascination as impersonating a police officer would. Luckily for him his illness creates a facination that is legal in the eyes of the law, however fucked up it may be.

Much of Singers satisfaction comes from having people believe his stories. I think as long as there are a couple people that he thinks believe him, he will continue with the story, regardless how rediculous it is.

There is a reason why he only post here.

Imagine if Singer would post his story on another forum:

"The casino allowed my special request on VP, but I had to play in an office. I won $1.5 million."

He wouldn't get any responses.

Honestly, I find Singer similar to Christopher Mitchell, with the exception Singer doesn't try to scam for money. I find them both entertaining since they both actually believe people find their stories truthfull.

In reality everyone knows the claims are false, with the exception of a couple people that say "it's possible". Yeah, anything is POSSIBLE!

People like Singer don't get embarrassed easy, or possibly not at all. They get caught in a blatant lie, but will still continue to push that lie as well as create new ones.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span doing the things that every other VP AP do and make money at, Singer lost several hundred thousand dollars. THIS was the only thing he has ever been honest about.

Now let's just examine this for a moment. It is pretty damn hard to fail as a VP AP, unless you are a complete moron or degenerate gambler. Even I who am not the smartest guy, have enjoyed almost a decade of success playing VP the "mailer game". And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. :rolleyes: For that angle, the mailer game, all that is necessary is the discipline to play only the coin in needed to generate the mailer offers that make the whole play positive EV. The only way a player can fail is if he is a degenerate gambler that can't adhere to that discipline needed, and just continues to gamble away all the profits and all. Singer failed because he IS a degenerate gambler.

From that point on, unable to be the AP that he had dreamed of, it was one claim after another, all defying math. Every claim was an alternative universe of claims that couldn't be by the math. And anyone who challenged those claims based on the math, was attacked and belittled, because that is the only way he could answer.

One after another, all debunked, until he finally stole "the double up bug claim" that had been in the news a few years earlier. This one couldn't be debunked because of the math. But it was pretty evident to almost everyone that he stole this claim and did not play it or make any real money.

Each time that there is almost no one left that believed his claims he would escalate with a new bigger claim and the process of challenging and attacks and name calling would repeat. And each time when finally debunked and the truth came out, he looked more and more pathetic, until present day.

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How do you know Rob was telling the truth about losing hundreds of thousands in the nineties? What evidence do you have. Or are you making shit up again? Yes....you are.

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I actually have come to like Rob, he is a fun and entertaining guy.

However, I do find it disappointing that unless it's blatantly obvious we can't separate the facts from fiction going all the way back.

Also, if we are to believe even part of what Alan claims regarding what went down between him and Alan, l don't like that at all. If I'm someone's friend, I'm their friend till the end, or they give me a good reason not to be. You don't jack around friends, and you have their back.

Also, If you say you're going to meet someone somewhere, you need to follow through with it. It's one thing yanking some chains, but one needs to know where to draw the line.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Why Todd allows you and the other Brokeback Boys to continuously troll is beyond me. When Singer quit this forum a couple of years ago you Brokebacks continued to troll him unmercifully everyday. He wasn't responding but you trolls kept it up. You wouldn't leave well enough alone. All you Brokebacks have Singer Derangement Syndrome.

You guys think all the nasty things you've said about Singer in the past few years don't count. WTF? You guys are worse than Singer because you gang up on one guy.

Todd should ban maxipuke, tewlj and the ditz once and for all. They are nothing but pure ass trolls that add nothing of value to the forum.

If Singer never returns the hot topic on VCT will always be Singer as long as the Brokebacks are here. They are obsessed with him They are obsessed beyond belief.

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We only have 7 members as it is.
And you are being biased as your Rat Buddy Bosworth should be banned for Ratting and telling everyone on the forum that he was going to Rat.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

So I didn't miss out on the "good times" by as much as I thought. :cool:

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That's subjective, I'm not saying there weren't "good times" in the '90s, because it was really good, it just didn't really have anything to do with the mailings. It was all about good promotions, progressives, +EV machines off the top/good paybacks, slot card cash back, and casino fuck ups, especially at all the grand openings, and new bonus machines etc.

All this with far far less competition, but there were also with less casinos. I probably only traveled outside Nevada a total of 5 times before 2007.

Not that traveling wasn't good, there was just enough going on in Nevada.

And, I really didn't like traveling. Sure, I absolutely love different places(Nevada sucks the big 9.5) I just don't like all the packing, hotel checking in and out, Hot/cold rooms, too dark, too bright, people making noise, loud maids that don't respect the DND, clicking noisy AC/heater units, drafty vents, Airports, trams, and shuttles, renting cars, and driving long distances, can't find food after 8-10 PM, being away from friends and family. Yeah, traveling sucks big donkey balls, but I do what I gots to do.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I believe Singer fabricates these stories for reasons much deeper than to get a few laughs. Once you make the claim (a lie) and it's realized to be a lie, or "a joke" to get a few laughs, the person who made the claim would then laugh with everyone else. Singer will continue to make the claim regardless of there being a mountain of evidence showing the claims to be false.

I believe his Desire to be a successful winning AP is so strong that he has to make up these stories to not just fit in, but tell stories that surpass all claims made by other forum members.

I look at Singers claims similar to creeps that impersonate police officers. They make claims of being an officer, they may buy a retired crown Vic or outfit a new one with lights and sirens, carry police equipment, badge, ID, ect. Some impersonators even go as far as making traffic stops. They want to be a police officer so bad, but for whatever reason they can't. Maybe it's their criminal record, Background test ect. Many will even tell real police officers they are a cop. They want OTHERS TO BELIEVE IT so bad. I think alot has to do with a narcissistic personality.

This is similar to what Singer has, but his facination is with AP gambling not Police. Fortunately for Singer his disease doesn't involve an illegal fascination as impersonating a police officer would. Luckily for him his illness creates a facination that is legal in the eyes of the law, however fucked up it may be.

Much of Singers satisfaction comes from having people believe his stories. I think as long as there are a couple people that he thinks believe him, he will continue with the story, regardless how rediculous it is.

There is a reason why he only post here.

Imagine if Singer would post his story on another forum:

"The casino allowed my special request on VP, but I had to play in an office. I won $1.5 million."

He wouldn't get any responses.

Honestly, I find Singer similar to Christopher Mitchell, with the exception Singer doesn't try to scam for money. I find them both entertaining since they both actually believe people find their stories truthfull.

In reality everyone knows the claims are false, with the exception of a couple people that say "it's possible". Yeah, anything is POSSIBLE!

People like Singer don't get embarrassed easy, or possibly not at all. They get caught in a blatant lie, but will still continue to push that lie as well as create new ones.

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I have always thought there was way more to it than Rob just trolling. He absolutely wants people to believe his stories, true or not. He wants to be respected and remembered in the gambling community as a great and successful gambler. I have to say, I agree with much of what you said here. Well written and well thought out.

Bhahahahaha...
I'm watching the Mets/Angels game and they have this stupid in game mic on Mike Trout.
Interviewing him constantly as the game goes on.
I actually hate this shit because they don't call the game.
However they start talking about the NFL and the Eagles and their division.
Mike Trout says REDSKINS on air lol lol lol lol lol lol lol.
And he doesn't correct himself and the two announcers don't say a word!
Take that mcap!

Twitter All Over it Already... lol lol lol

https://twitter.com/MicahSavedMe/sta...42588004163585

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So I didn't miss out on the "good times" by as much as I thought. :cool:

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As far as comps and ratings go, you missed out on the heyday of sports betting. At one time, race and sports were comped the same, and a little went a long way. If you bet $500 at Circus-Circus, you had $5 in comps. Now it's a buck, if you're lucky. Plus you could get lunches and stuff as discretionary comps. You just had to ask and have them semi-familiar with your face.

When the Palms opened, I was top rated because of my sports play, only I didn't know it. I could have gone into the clubs comped for about three years, but I never even asked what the perks were. I was just happy to get the comps for the bets. I still haven't been in their clubs. Now I'd have to pay for them.

Singer did get one good thing out of all this..

I have read in several post the "Singer 9.5".

The Singer 9.5 may be used at the expense of another forum member.

At this point, I'm sure any positive attention he will run with it.

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People like Singer don't get embarrassed easy, or possibly not at all. They get caught in a blatant lie, but will still continue to push that lie as well as create new ones.

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Good analysis of Rob Singer, narcissistic forum troll.

Gee, sort of reminds me of someone else, you know, the guy who keeps braying about a "stolen election."

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Twitter All Over it Already... lol lol lol

https://twitter.com/MicahSavedMe/sta...42588004163585

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Did you get my line, "They call me Red; My skin is thick?"

I figure the Redskin hint would lead you to the "Indians."

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Did you get my line, "They call me Red; My skin is thick?"

I figure the Redskin hint would lead you to the "Indians."

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Obviously I did not.
The problem for me was when you started in with you are going to start handicapping early this year.
That made me only concentrate on Football.
I thought maybe the Red comment might be something to do with Cincinnati since you had it in all caps.
I figured it had to be a Future because that is what you do.
The first thing I looked at was the USFL but couldn't find lines that were online.
I didn't try very hard to find this pick because I'm not really into betting on something that I have to wait 8 months to cash in on.
So I went into the NCAAF and NFL Future Lines and couldn't find anything that matched the -1000 or +1000 category.
And I overlooked the divisional aspect.
I spent maybe 7 minutes on the whole ordeal before I just gave up on it.
Because I don't like being led around like some dumb animal.
Fun for you, yes and I get it.
But if you want to share a pick I feel like you should just be direct.
I'm a very direct person for the most part and I appreciate straight forwardness.
But I knew you were being nice so I played along for a little bit till I finally cracked and just gave up.
Thanks for the information and opening up in a positive social manner.

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So I looked up the definitions of being "punked" as a verb (transitive).

The first is "to humiliate." Not sure how someone else claiming they won money, being exposed as a liar, and placing pics of fake cash online humiliates me, but okay. Better me than them, I guess.

Then 2-A is to dupe or deceive. Well, if nobody is actually deceived, not sure how they were punked, but okay, let's continue.

We come to 2-B, which is to play a practical joke on. Again, a practical joke requires, at some point, for someone to be fooled somehow. If nobody's fooled, not much punking happening.

So I guess when the definitions are exhausted, we come to the idea that somebody is punking if they post something nobody believes, but they believe other people believe, so in essence they are punking themselves. I guess that's a possibility. Another possibility is if somebody claims to not disbelieve something, but they disbelieve it, but they think everyone else thinks they believe it, when everyone else actually just thinks they're lying, well, that person is -- once again -- punking themselves.

Oh, what a tangled punking we weave, when we think we've affected what others believe, but the only belief that's off the wall, is the belief that somehow we've punked them all.

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You got punked. It's not about what you believe. It's about the increased activity on the forum it causes you to do. It's about Singer getting in your head. It's about you spending your every waking hour thinking about Singer.

YOU GOT PUNKED.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I dont remember Singer "quitting" the forum? I remember him being banned and then 6 month later Dan Druff allowed him back to participate in one single thread, which of course was never enforced.

Other than that the only other times Singer disappeared was usually after he had been thoroughly debunked and humiliated. He would then disappear for a bit.

Maybe I just dont remember Mickey's version of an announced retirement.

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You don't remember because you don't want to remember.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I believe Singer fabricates these stories for reasons much deeper than to get a few laughs. Once you make the claim (a lie) and it's realized to be a lie, or "a joke" to get a few laughs, the person who made the claim would then laugh with everyone else. Singer will continue to make the claim regardless of there being a mountain of evidence showing the claims to be false.

I believe his Desire to be a successful winning AP is so strong that he has to make up these stories to not just fit in, but tell stories that surpass all claims made by other forum members.

I look at Singers claims similar to creeps that impersonate police officers. They make claims of being an officer, they may buy a retired crown Vic or outfit a new one with lights and sirens, carry police equipment, badge, ID, ect. Some impersonators even go as far as making traffic stops. They want to be a police officer so bad, but for whatever reason they can't. Maybe it's their criminal record, Background test ect. Many will even tell real police officers they are a cop. They want OTHERS TO BELIEVE IT so bad. I think alot has to do with a narcissistic personality.

This is similar to what Singer has, but his facination is with AP gambling not Police. Fortunately for Singer his disease doesn't involve an illegal fascination as impersonating a police officer would. Luckily for him his illness creates a facination that is legal in the eyes of the law, however fucked up it may be.

Much of Singers satisfaction comes from having people believe his stories. I think as long as there are a couple people that he thinks believe him, he will continue with the story, regardless how rediculous it is.

There is a reason why he only post here.

Imagine if Singer would post his story on another forum:

"The casino allowed my special request on VP, but I had to play in an office. I won $1.5 million."

He wouldn't get any responses.

Honestly, I find Singer similar to Christopher Mitchell, with the exception Singer doesn't try to scam for money. I find them both entertaining since they both actually believe people find their stories truthfull.

In reality everyone knows the claims are false, with the exception of a couple people that say "it's possible". Yeah, anything is POSSIBLE!

People like Singer don't get embarrassed easy, or possibly not at all. They get caught in a blatant lie, but will still continue to push that lie as well as create new ones.

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PV, don't fall into the same trap of being obsessed with Singer as the Brokebacks.

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Here is the undeniable truth about Rob Singer: (play on his book title for those not familiar) :D

Fueled by jealous of Bob Dancer, Singer attempted to become a video poker AP in the 1990's and failed. In a 4 year span doing the things that every other VP AP do and make money at, Singer lost several hundred thousand dollars. THIS was the only thing he has ever been honest about.

Now let's just examine this for a moment. It is pretty damn hard to fail as a VP AP, unless you are a complete moron or degenerate gambler. Even I who am not the smartest guy, have enjoyed almost a decade of success playing VP the "mailer game". And when Singer tried the mailers were even better. :rolleyes: For that angle, the mailer game, all that is necessary is the discipline to play only the coin in needed to generate the mailer offers that make the whole play positive EV. The only way a player can fail is if he is a degenerate gambler that can't adhere to that discipline needed, and just continues to gamble away all the profits and all. Singer failed because he IS a degenerate gambler.

From that point on, unable to be the AP that he had dreamed of, it was one claim after another, all defying math. Every claim was an alternative universe of claims that couldn't be by the math. And anyone who challenged those claims based on the math, was attacked and belittled, because that is the only way he could answer.

One after another, all debunked, until he finally stole "the double up bug claim" that had been in the news a few years earlier. This one couldn't be debunked because of the math. But it was pretty evident to almost everyone that he stole this claim and did not play it or make any real money.

Each time that there is almost no one left that believed his claims he would escalate with a new bigger claim and the process of challenging and attacks and name calling would repeat. And each time when finally debunked and the truth came out, he looked more and more pathetic, until present day.

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How do you know Rob was telling the truth about losing hundreds of thousands in the nineties? What evidence do you have. Or are you making shit up again? Yes....you are.

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I actually have come to like Rob, he is a fun and entertaining guy.

However, I do find it disappointing that unless it's blatantly obvious we can't separate the facts from fiction going all the way back.

Also, if we are to believe even part of what Alan claims regarding what went down between him and Alan, l don't like that at all. If I'm someone's friend, I'm their friend till the end, or they give me a good reason not to be. You don't jack around friends, and you have their back.

Also, If you say you're going to meet someone somewhere, you need to follow through with it. It's one thing yanking some chains, but one needs to know where to draw the line.

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Rob and I called a truce a couple of years ago. The Brokebacks have been trying to shame me into going back on my word ever since. I've taken a ton more heat off them, they've ganged up on me, than I ever took off Rob (just one person). But they can't force me to go back on my word. I'm the mean motherfucker that can take the heat and dish it back.

maxmidget, tewlj and the ditz are haters. Hatred is a very destructive emotion. Their hatred of Singer is eating them alive. Their propensity for hate says a lot about them. They will attack anyone and everyone that gets in the way of their love of hate.

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Why Todd allows you and the other Brokeback Boys to continuously troll is beyond me. When Singer quit this forum a couple of years ago you Brokebacks continued to troll him unmercifully everyday. He wasn't responding but you trolls kept it up. You wouldn't leave well enough alone. All you Brokebacks have Singer Derangement Syndrome.

You guys think all the nasty things you've said about Singer in the past few years don't count. WTF? You guys are worse than Singer because you gang up on one guy.

Todd should ban maxipuke, tewlj and the ditz once and for all. They are nothing but pure ass trolls that add nothing of value to the forum.

If Singer never returns the hot topic on VCT will always be Singer as long as the Brokebacks are here. They are obsessed with him They are obsessed beyond belief.

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We only have 7 members as it is.
And you are being biased as your Rat Buddy Bosworth should be banned for Ratting and telling everyone on the forum that he was going to Rat.

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I understand he was trying to protect his investment.

I've been asked to clean up my language when referring to the LGBTQ community on VCT. I've agreed to certain terms....

I will no longer refer to our gay members, maxie, tewlj, the ditz, and keystoner as homosexuals. The term "homosexual" has problems of specification. It perpetuates negative stereotypes. So, maxie, tewlj, ditz and keystoner, I will no longer call you homos. From now on I will use the designation you prefer, gay. As in Gay Maxie, Gay Tewlj, Gay Ditz, and Gay Keystoner.

Also, I will not refer to maxie, who is a well respected drag queen, as "tranny max."

And I also promise not to make fun of the gay sex between the four of you. Buggary has it's place I guess.

Well....maybe just a joke or two. All in good fun.

Aging is tough. I train hard, every year, just to keep my neurons working. And to provide some kind of physical stamina so I can put them to good sustained use. It's physically hard. Psychologically difficult. Because each year, you lose stamina, you lose neurons, and it requires more discipline to apply your mind as well as you did the year before.

If I couldn't physically train, my mind would likely go to hell.

God bless the aged.

I hear ya.

Father Time never takes prisoners.

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Would someone mind telling me the origins of this forum?
Did Alan start this forum?
Later sell to Druff?

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Cliff Notes:

Quick summary from my perspective. I joined when Alan ran the forum as Best Buys. The Las Vegas section was about the experiences that Alan and others had in terms of types of play and comps and what you had to do to get what ratings where. People would talk about restaurant experiences and slot club experiences, that kind of thing. I found it useful, as sports betting comps had dried up from really useful discretionary comps and a buck for every $100 to $200 wagered down to no discretionary comps and a buck for every $400 to $600 wagered. So I got to check out other comp options and comp rates and all that, and what Alan had to do to get what. The forum was useful and relatively respectful.

Rob, who had a weekly Gaming Today column where he was quite often featured on the front page, was reasonably respected as knowing Las Vegas pretty well, even if he didn't quite have an optimal handle on how to play video poker. In fact, an issue of GT quite often featured Rob opining on his various systems while another columnist would discuss optimal video poker advantage play in the same issue.

Alan did some videos that can be found on YouTube where he interviewed Singer explaining his systems. A poster named Arci went head to head here versus Singer's systems claims. At one point, Rob was supposed to send his taxes to Alan to prove his claims of winning, and Arci was also. Arci, who played modest amounts part time, sent his taxes, which verified his winning claims. Rob reneged.

Personally, I went 2500 posts without mentioning that I was a sports handicapper until one day Rob decided to wax eloquent about how to bet sports and was so wrong, I felt I should pull rank and speak up.

Eventually, Alan sold the forum to Todd (Dan). Rob, Alan, and I pre-date all of the others here. We're the three guys who used our real names (everyone knows Rob Singer is Rob Argentino, as he stated it in his GT column more than once), and we're three of the oldest posters.

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Interesting, Thank you!

Ps: I did see the Alan/Singer interview. The math defying stuff as well lol

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Alan/Singer interview was non stop laughs. That gem should have over 100k views !

PV you shouldn't compare Rob with the ultimate scamming lowlife scum, Chrissy Kyle Prescott. Singer is a comedic jackass slug, Chrissy is a charlatan who deserves his clock cleaned !

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Aging is tough. I train hard, every year, just to keep my neurons working. And to provide some kind of physical stamina so I can put them to good sustained use. It's physically hard. Psychologically difficult. Because each year, you lose stamina, you lose neurons, and it requires more discipline to apply your mind as well as you did the year before.

If I couldn't physically train, my mind would likely go to hell.

God bless the aged.

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Not to mention all the lead poisoning people got when they were kids.

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Aging is tough. I train hard, every year, just to keep my neurons working. And to provide some kind of physical stamina so I can put them to good sustained use. It's physically hard. Psychologically difficult. Because each year, you lose stamina, you lose neurons, and it requires more discipline to apply your mind as well as you did the year before.

If I couldn't physically train, my mind would likely go to hell.

God bless the aged.

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Not to mention all the lead positioning people got when they were kids.

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Between that and asbestos, not much brain and not much oxygen getting to that not much brain.

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Aging is tough. I train hard, every year, just to keep my neurons working. And to provide some kind of physical stamina so I can put them to good sustained use. It's physically hard. Psychologically difficult. Because each year, you lose stamina, you lose neurons, and it requires more discipline to apply your mind as well as you did the year before.

If I couldn't physically train, my mind would likely go to hell.

God bless the aged.

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Not to mention all the lead positioning people got when they were kids.

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I'd like to be in the lead position also. :cool:

P.S.i think you meant 'lead poisoning'.

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PV you shouldn't compare Rob with the ultimate scamming lowlife scum, Chrissy Kyle Prescott. Singer is a comedic jackass slug, Chrissy is a charlatan who deserves his clock cleaned !

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That is just your opinion, Ozzy. I believe Singer did try to scam people on the same level as Mitchell/Prescott and the blackjack army guy. When Singer began his scam, it was a different time. There was no Youtube, or if there was it wasn't like today a platform for scamming large numbers of people. Back then the way to reach people were forums and books. Singer used both, plus a column in a gambling paper. Who knows how many people he reached.

I also don't hold the distinction that many do that a scammer must make a lot of money from the scam. Anyone that believed Singer's BS about progression wagering which he pushed for more than a decade, before he stole the double up bug claim, and lost money trying to emulate that BS, isn't going to see a distinction.

So the only reason Singer didn't make a lot of money on top, is because like everything else, he failed at that too. The single most telling thing about this is the books. He published books, (at a cost to himself) with this misleading garbage in them. That is intent, right there.

Now, it is true that in the later years, the last 4 or 5 years, about the time frame that Singer stole the double-up bug claim, all hope of making money off this BS was gone for him. During these final years, it has just been a narcistic exercise of building himself up into something he is not, while trying to tear down anyone that challenged his phony claims, which were mainly players that had achieved different levels of success.