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Totals so far for 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Hotel rooms....16K
Fuel...... 6K
Restaurant meals 11K
Insurance and vehicle maintenance 2K
Then there are various and other sundry expenses.
Two-bit plays don't pay for all that, bitchstinkhole. Now climb back under your slimy rock.
I'm a free speech advocate, so I actually don't like the fact that someone else can cherry pick certain phrases from a post and use them exclusively in a quote, because there's no way to tell that the partial quote wasn't the entire quote. This is where ellipses and stuff should technically be employed. I'm not getting on you for doing it -- I'm just saying that the new presumed freedoms to do it without ellipses and such are, in my opinion, wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeYour correct Redeitz, you never said or blocked me. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I guess it was just an expected assumption.
^^^ partial quoteQuote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I don't see any big problem with it. Normally the quote box includes a link to the original content. The link appears as a double-arrowhead icon.
I think forums would be a lot more readable if everyone trimmed quoted text down to the relevant portions only. Ellipses can convey information if done properly, but a lot of people (including me) would screw them up, and they require extra effort that may not be necessary.
I'd think what redietz (holy crap, I just realized it's IE not EI in redietz) means or is referring to is when people quote something out of context to make it look like someone had different intentions in their post.
I'm all for trimming down quotes, at least when the original post is long and I'm responding to something specific and not the entire post in general. Obviously I'm not a fan of quoting out of context.
Are you serious, redietz? Do you really want us to believe that Rob Singer is on a level of Uri Geller for paranormal claims or activity? Or are you just throwing in the name of Uri Geller in some fiendish attempt to further attack Singer?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThe short version of my original interest in Rob goes something like this. Before there was an X-Files show, back when Uri Geller was going on national television to display his "psychic powers" and TV evangelists were claiming to know what was wrong with audience members, I was researching and debunking the paranormal. Much of Uri Geller's public clout came from his convincing a few media people and physicists he could do what he claimed. Rob, essentially, is claiming paranormal abilities. He says he has circumvented math with his Rube Goldberg "systems." Alan made videos of Rob, giving him credence in some eyes. So I found the relationship between Alan and Rob classic. The high-profile media person bought into a claim with no evidence that would hold up in a lab or in court or in a math class, and publicized it without hard critique. So I sat and watched here for a couple of years because it's a textbook, classic example of a paranormal claimant/media person relationship that was so textbook you couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpuke
Eventually, Rob's claims got so out of hand (e.g."the world's greatest video poker player") that I was obligated to speak up. He had 5000 posts, no math, no stats, no clear explanation of his "systems," which were too complex to ever explain (of course).
How in God's name does it mean "I must not trust my feelings about him?" I've been familiar with Rob since 1990 or thereabouts. I have stated my thoughts regarding Rob clearly many times. He does people a service when he talks about the traps of AP play, and addiction, and not tipping (LOL -- my personal favorite). And he knows a good amount about Las Vegas 1985-2005. But his self-presentation gambling-wise is that of a quack.
Your facts concerning my videos with Rob are wrong, redietz. In fact, what you say about what Singer said about the videos he did with me about his "special plays" are also wrong.
First of all, there is "math" to back up his special plays. And hold on to your shorts redietz, because in EVERY VIDEO DISCUSSION on my website ROB ADMITS THAT HIS SPECIAL PLAYS ARE AT A MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL PLAYS. If you don't believe me look for yourself here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE of Singer's "special plays" has the math for the special play and the math for the conventional play. And in each and every single one of the special plays the math shows the Rob Singer Special Play has a disadvantage. Why did you leave this out of your allegation, redietz?
Did you leave this material fact out because you totally ignore the entire purpose of the special plays? Did you actually ever watch one of those videos where Rob states that a special play has one goal and one goal only: to hit a big winner?
Also, please read specifically what I said about WHY I did those videos with Rob. Also read my personal thoughts about Rob's system. You also conveniently left out of your allegation that I DO NOT PLAY USING ROB'S SYSTEM. In fact, I don't even understand Rob's system (other than his special plays) and I've said that over and over here. Are you going to call me a Uri Geller associate now because I made my website articles change using paranormal skills to change the text to make my previous support/endorsement of Rob disappear?
Thanks for posting this comment redietz. It's becoming very clear now.
I look forward to you posting your own articles, or bibliography of the articles, soon.
What's the cost? What's the cycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole7 professional video poker guys pounding out 5 hours of video poker. How many hands at $5.00 dollars a hand could 7 pros knock out per hour? How much did they put in? What was actually profit after they finally hit? What did each player make after the chop? What was the tax liability?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
This is what I mean. Without the actual facts, it sounds like a 2-bit win if any.
Black hole, when you're asking for actual facts, I don't see that as part of the ap method. In addition, you'll always get where the play was and not where it is, and don't you know, it's always a team of ap PROS who hit all these things. Never anyone else, unless a non ap reports on it.
.[/QUOTE]And I hope you aren't including me in the "unproven AP" line-up. I have email records of what I've done with clients going back more than 10 years. I have contest results going back 30 years. I have my "package" and all that. If I ain't proved, there ain't no provin'.[/QUOTE]
I'd be interested in seeing your proof. That would be refreshing. What kind of gaming are you involved in?
Could you please post it in this thread? I think you said you were not an ap. It would make for a good post over at wizzards also.
What's your beef with singer anyway? You keep saying he doesn't know for crap, yet I've read his columns and watched but did not get involved in his battles with just about the entire staff at wizzards for a year or so, and no one could really take him down. They had to ban him when he kept getting in their faces. Mike S. even has an interview with him on his site. He has a complicated system for sure (he used to have a website where it was broken down into the fine detail on many pages), he says it's based on optimal play with tweaks, and from what I read he makes no bones about how luck plays an important part.
I know most people in the ap community rag on his method and I'm not endorsing anything either way because I'm not an ap either. I play what I call smart vp and slots, and he doesn't seem anything like the dummy he's portrayed as. Why is he banned here anyways?
Do you mind proving the figures in this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmTotals so far for 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Hotel rooms....16K
Fuel...... 6K
Restaurant meals 11K
Insurance and vehicle maintenance 2K
Then there are various and other sundry expenses.
Two-bit plays don't pay for all that, bitchstinkhole. Now climb back under your slimy rock.
I find this fascinating. I just took a look at those videos and will be looking some more. I see the point alan makes. These are a breakdown of a few of singers different plays that reduce ev but increase the big win chance. redietz, you still say he never explains anything about strategy? If I were an ap I can see how things like this would drive me crazy. But so don't things the everyday recreational player says and does. aps never see beyond ap beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonAre you serious, redietz? Do you really want us to believe that Rob Singer is on a level of Uri Geller for paranormal claims or activity? Or are you just throwing in the name of Uri Geller in some fiendish attempt to further attack Singer?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThe short version of my original interest in Rob goes something like this. Before there was an X-Files show, back when Uri Geller was going on national television to display his "psychic powers" and TV evangelists were claiming to know what was wrong with audience members, I was researching and debunking the paranormal. Much of Uri Geller's public clout came from his convincing a few media people and physicists he could do what he claimed. Rob, essentially, is claiming paranormal abilities. He says he has circumvented math with his Rube Goldberg "systems." Alan made videos of Rob, giving him credence in some eyes. So I found the relationship between Alan and Rob classic. The high-profile media person bought into a claim with no evidence that would hold up in a lab or in court or in a math class, and publicized it without hard critique. So I sat and watched here for a couple of years because it's a textbook, classic example of a paranormal claimant/media person relationship that was so textbook you couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpuke
Eventually, Rob's claims got so out of hand (e.g."the world's greatest video poker player") that I was obligated to speak up. He had 5000 posts, no math, no stats, no clear explanation of his "systems," which were too complex to ever explain (of course).
How in God's name does it mean "I must not trust my feelings about him?" I've been familiar with Rob since 1990 or thereabouts. I have stated my thoughts regarding Rob clearly many times. He does people a service when he talks about the traps of AP play, and addiction, and not tipping (LOL -- my personal favorite). And he knows a good amount about Las Vegas 1985-2005. But his self-presentation gambling-wise is that of a quack.
Your facts concerning my videos with Rob are wrong, redietz. In fact, what you say about what Singer said about the videos he did with me about his "special plays" are also wrong.
First of all, there is "math" to back up his special plays. And hold on to your shorts redietz, because in EVERY VIDEO DISCUSSION on my website ROB ADMITS THAT HIS SPECIAL PLAYS ARE AT A MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL PLAYS. If you don't believe me look for yourself here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE of Singer's "special plays" has the math for the special play and the math for the conventional play. And in each and every single one of the special plays the math shows the Rob Singer Special Play has a disadvantage. Why did you leave this out of your allegation, redietz?
Did you leave this material fact out because you totally ignore the entire purpose of the special plays? Did you actually ever watch one of those videos where Rob states that a special play has one goal and one goal only: to hit a big winner?
Also, please read specifically what I said about WHY I did those videos with Rob. Also read my personal thoughts about Rob's system. You also conveniently left out of your allegation that I DO NOT PLAY USING ROB'S SYSTEM. In fact, I don't even understand Rob's system (other than his special plays) and I've said that over and over here. Are you going to call me a Uri Geller associate now because I made my website articles change using paranormal skills to change the text to make my previous support/endorsement of Rob disappear?
Thanks for posting this comment redietz. It's becoming very clear now.
I look forward to you posting your own articles, or bibliography of the articles, soon.
I don't have any problems with Mickey's cost of living figures. I'll compare them to mine, estimated for a full year:Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpukeDo you mind proving the figures in this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmTotals so far for 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Hotel rooms....16K
Fuel...... 6K
Restaurant meals 11K
Insurance and vehicle maintenance 2K
Then there are various and other sundry expenses.
Two-bit plays don't pay for all that, bitchstinkhole. Now climb back under your slimy rock.
Mickey says he spent so far $16K on hotel rooms, my apartment rent is about $24K per year.
Mickey says he spends about $6K on fuel, I spend about $40 in gas each week which is $2,000 per year.
Mickey spends about $11K in restaurants and meals, and my weekly grocery tab is about $60 and I probably spend $100 or more each week eating out which is about $8,000 a year.
My insurance is a lot more than Mickey's. My auto insurance alone is more than $2K and that's because I'm in sunny SoCal. I also have other insurance.
So Mickey's figures are very believable.
My favorite thing that "everyday recreational" players do is quit when ahead. I see it all the time. Granny goes to the casino with $100 and plays a slot machine and with $50 in the machine she hits for $100. She goes to the buffet. The she goes home. She had a wonderful time.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpuke
Yes but don't you have something called a job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonI don't have any problems with Mickey's cost of living figures. I'll compare them to mine, estimated for a full year:Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpukeDo you mind proving the figures in this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey says he spent so far $16K on hotel rooms, my apartment rent is about $24K per year.
Mickey says he spends about $6K on fuel, I spend about $40 in gas each week which is $2,000 per year.
Mickey spends about $11K in restaurants and meals, and my weekly grocery tab is about $60 and I probably spend $100 or more each week eating out which is about $8,000 a year.
My insurance is a lot more than Mickey's. My auto insurance alone is more than $2K and that's because I'm in sunny SoCal. I also have other insurance.
So Mickey's figures are very believable.
What's believable to me is what you said for your similar expenses, because I don't think you're trying to claim gambling is paying for all that. Crimm just threw up those numbers because blackhole bothered him with his two bit label. A safe bet would be that he sleeps in his car.
I find it very hard believing much of what crimm claims, knowing his past. Outside pictures of a bunch of casinos? Promotional inside pictures with nobody around? 4am sunlight in the norther part of this country at this time of gear? If he came on calling himself a bum who lacks motivation because of his problems, there's something that wouldn't be so fishy.
If someone is paying their rent (let's say it's $900 a month in Vegas for a nice apartment -- I know, I've been looking) and they have a 1% edge on video poker, they would need to have coin-thru of $90,000 per month to have the profits to pay their rent alone.
Is there a video poker game in Vegas with a 1% edge YOU CAN BANK ON to pay your rent? I don't know, but that's what you'd need.
$90,000 coin in would be:
On a $1 game, $5 per play would be 18,000 plays. At 600 hands per hour = 30 hours. That 30 hours pays the rent, which is almost one week at a regular job.
So how much additional time at video poker is needed to also pay for groceries, car, fuel, insurance and other costs of living?
Bottom line is I don't understand how these APs can have a decent standard of living unless they have a huge bankroll, are playing very high denominations, and are getting lucky and winning a lot more over and above the "expected value"?
I think you summed up Rob nicely. He claims to have been able to win at negative expectation games because of his "systems." He claims this despite acknowledging that his system places him at a MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE (I'm not big on CAPS, but you seem to like them). That's the very definition of a paranormal claimant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonAre you serious, redietz? Do you really want us to believe that Rob Singer is on a level of Uri Geller for paranormal claims or activity? Or are you just throwing in the name of Uri Geller in some fiendish attempt to further attack Singer?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThe short version of my original interest in Rob goes something like this. Before there was an X-Files show, back when Uri Geller was going on national television to display his "psychic powers" and TV evangelists were claiming to know what was wrong with audience members, I was researching and debunking the paranormal. Much of Uri Geller's public clout came from his convincing a few media people and physicists he could do what he claimed. Rob, essentially, is claiming paranormal abilities. He says he has circumvented math with his Rube Goldberg "systems." Alan made videos of Rob, giving him credence in some eyes. So I found the relationship between Alan and Rob classic. The high-profile media person bought into a claim with no evidence that would hold up in a lab or in court or in a math class, and publicized it without hard critique. So I sat and watched here for a couple of years because it's a textbook, classic example of a paranormal claimant/media person relationship that was so textbook you couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpuke
Eventually, Rob's claims got so out of hand (e.g."the world's greatest video poker player") that I was obligated to speak up. He had 5000 posts, no math, no stats, no clear explanation of his "systems," which were too complex to ever explain (of course).
How in God's name does it mean "I must not trust my feelings about him?" I've been familiar with Rob since 1990 or thereabouts. I have stated my thoughts regarding Rob clearly many times. He does people a service when he talks about the traps of AP play, and addiction, and not tipping (LOL -- my personal favorite). And he knows a good amount about Las Vegas 1985-2005. But his self-presentation gambling-wise is that of a quack.
Your facts concerning my videos with Rob are wrong, redietz. In fact, what you say about what Singer said about the videos he did with me about his "special plays" are also wrong.
First of all, there is "math" to back up his special plays. And hold on to your shorts redietz, because in EVERY VIDEO DISCUSSION on my website ROB ADMITS THAT HIS SPECIAL PLAYS ARE AT A MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL PLAYS. If you don't believe me look for yourself here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE of Singer's "special plays" has the math for the special play and the math for the conventional play. And in each and every single one of the special plays the math shows the Rob Singer Special Play has a disadvantage. Why did you leave this out of your allegation, redietz?
Did you leave this material fact out because you totally ignore the entire purpose of the special plays? Did you actually ever watch one of those videos where Rob states that a special play has one goal and one goal only: to hit a big winner?
Also, please read specifically what I said about WHY I did those videos with Rob. Also read my personal thoughts about Rob's system. You also conveniently left out of your allegation that I DO NOT PLAY USING ROB'S SYSTEM. In fact, I don't even understand Rob's system (other than his special plays) and I've said that over and over here. Are you going to call me a Uri Geller associate now because I made my website articles change using paranormal skills to change the text to make my previous support/endorsement of Rob disappear?
Thanks for posting this comment redietz. It's becoming very clear now.
I look forward to you posting your own articles, or bibliography of the articles, soon.
You claim to not use Rob's system. Yet you popularized it -- how many thousands of hits (as you sometimes brag) has it gotten? Was that a responsible thing to do? It's like when Sports Illustrated, in the early 70's, ran a one-page bio of Danny Sheridan (aka Schacter) because one newspaper writer vetted him, without actual proof, as having won 89% of his football selections against the spread. SI followed him for the next season, and he did worse than a coin flip. But guess what, he was a rich man already, because of the one-page article.
Rob has never announced at what payback table, or at which video poker games, his "systems" would fail. And I'm going to guess, even though it's the most obvious question in the world, that you did not ask this in the videos. Am I correct?
This, then, is absolutely the very definition of the paranormal. Uri would be proud.
And, finally, I've said four or five times previously on this forum that this was my original reason for being fascinated by what goes on here. Now, I don't have the number pinned down precisely in my memory (it's not eidetic), but it was four or five times, at least. It has not been a secret. I've made the Uri Geller comparison at least three or four times.
About 7000 hands per hour or about 35K for the session for the team. It's probably also a comp play. I believe black diamond status gets at least $100 FP each week, along with free hotel rooms and one free buffet a week. I agree that it's possible that they decided to waste five hours of their life but I doubt it. So if it was close to break even for the play itself, they are set up for the rest of the qualifying period with a lot of perks. This may have even been to maintain existing card status and represented a break even opportunity to do so (or better than break even if they were hitting other premium hands).
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Originally Posted by blackhole7 professional video poker guys pounding out 5 hours of video poker. How many hands at $5.00 dollars a hand could 7 pros knock out per hour? How much did they put in? What was actually profit after they finally hit? What did each player make after the chop? What was the tax liability?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
This is what I mean. Without the actual facts, it sounds like a 2-bit win if any.
$100 free play each week is 20 hands at $5 per hand. Yawn.
What made you think this was a "team" and not just seven individual players? Were they wearing hats or hoodies with the team logo?
I remember when a "team" of two couples used to show up at Rincon. Unfortunately for them, at the time, there were at least five machines linked to the $5 DDB VP progressive and there were two jackpots where the "lone wolf" got the royal. One of those "lone wolfs" was me when I hit for $36K some years back. Another lone wolf was a lady from San Diego who hit for $50K+.
Bottom line: that team "vanished."
Yes it was. And I clearly stated my reservations. Should Rob be censored because you don't like his strategy? Some free speech advocate you are!Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Wrong again, redietz. Rob's special plays, if you haven't figured it out yet because you won't look, have the expected value reported right on my web pages using the same paytables as the conventional play. Again, Rob has said his special plays have a disadvantage. You keep harping on the importance of the "pay table" yet Rob shows you the difference between the conventional play and his special plays using the SAME pay tables.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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Originally Posted by redietz
The only one who might be proud of you is someone who enjoys poorly crafted fiction because this line of argument against Rob is only poorly crafted fiction. There is no connection to Uri or paranormal activity or anything else. It's just you throwing out poorly thought-out reasoning against Rob.
Why don't you just say you like to play strict conventional video poker? Gee, that would be so easy to do. Frankly, it's what I do. I play strict conventional video poker just as I learned it from Dancer and Grochowski reading their books, articles and using the software and attending Dancer's free seminar.
Your Uri analogy sucks. Try something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Better yet, just drop it. You struck out.
Right, but you don't know someone's intent when they trim a quote. I thought redeitz :cool: was recommending ellipses always when trimming a quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
So Rob put up mathematical proof that his system is bullshit. That's about as stupid as it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonAre you serious, redietz? Do you really want us to believe that Rob Singer is on a level of Uri Geller for paranormal claims or activity? Or are you just throwing in the name of Uri Geller in some fiendish attempt to further attack Singer?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThe short version of my original interest in Rob goes something like this. Before there was an X-Files show, back when Uri Geller was going on national television to display his "psychic powers" and TV evangelists were claiming to know what was wrong with audience members, I was researching and debunking the paranormal. Much of Uri Geller's public clout came from his convincing a few media people and physicists he could do what he claimed. Rob, essentially, is claiming paranormal abilities. He says he has circumvented math with his Rube Goldberg "systems." Alan made videos of Rob, giving him credence in some eyes. So I found the relationship between Alan and Rob classic. The high-profile media person bought into a claim with no evidence that would hold up in a lab or in court or in a math class, and publicized it without hard critique. So I sat and watched here for a couple of years because it's a textbook, classic example of a paranormal claimant/media person relationship that was so textbook you couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpuke
Eventually, Rob's claims got so out of hand (e.g."the world's greatest video poker player") that I was obligated to speak up. He had 5000 posts, no math, no stats, no clear explanation of his "systems," which were too complex to ever explain (of course).
How in God's name does it mean "I must not trust my feelings about him?" I've been familiar with Rob since 1990 or thereabouts. I have stated my thoughts regarding Rob clearly many times. He does people a service when he talks about the traps of AP play, and addiction, and not tipping (LOL -- my personal favorite). And he knows a good amount about Las Vegas 1985-2005. But his self-presentation gambling-wise is that of a quack.
Your facts concerning my videos with Rob are wrong, redietz. In fact, what you say about what Singer said about the videos he did with me about his "special plays" are also wrong.
First of all, there is "math" to back up his special plays. And hold on to your shorts redietz, because in EVERY VIDEO DISCUSSION on my website ROB ADMITS THAT HIS SPECIAL PLAYS ARE AT A MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL PLAYS. If you don't believe me look for yourself here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE of Singer's "special plays" has the math for the special play and the math for the conventional play. And in each and every single one of the special plays the math shows the Rob Singer Special Play has a disadvantage. Why did you leave this out of your allegation, redietz?
Did you leave this material fact out because you totally ignore the entire purpose of the special plays? Did you actually ever watch one of those videos where Rob states that a special play has one goal and one goal only: to hit a big winner?
Also, please read specifically what I said about WHY I did those videos with Rob. Also read my personal thoughts about Rob's system. You also conveniently left out of your allegation that I DO NOT PLAY USING ROB'S SYSTEM. In fact, I don't even understand Rob's system (other than his special plays) and I've said that over and over here. Are you going to call me a Uri Geller associate now because I made my website articles change using paranormal skills to change the text to make my previous support/endorsement of Rob disappear?
Thanks for posting this comment redietz. It's becoming very clear now.
I look forward to you posting your own articles, or bibliography of the articles, soon.
Sure, I'll start right after you put up proof of your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardofpukeDo you mind proving the figures in this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmTotals so far for 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Hotel rooms....16K
Fuel...... 6K
Restaurant meals 11K
Insurance and vehicle maintenance 2K
Then there are various and other sundry expenses.
Two-bit plays don't pay for all that, bitchstinkhole. Now climb back under your slimy rock.