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Black hole (and others) claims of APs bragging about their riches is just unfounded. Few APs talk about what they make. Never or only very occasionally have I heard Axelwolf, MaxPen, Mickey, monet put a number to their income. Monet might show a winning ticket every now and then proving the blind squire theory. ;)

Yes I DO share what I make because I wanted to show just what range a full time counter could make as opposed to the '21' movie showing players making and hiding hundreds of K in the ceilings of their dorms. Or the players like KC traveling the country and world playing high stakes only to be unable to play anywhere after 6 months to a year.

My intention has always been to show what kind of money is realistically possible on an ongoing basis and still be welcome to play. I mean come on... Do you really think I believe upper 5 figures (sometimes even lower 5 figures :()qualifies as wealthy that I would have the need to brag? :rolleyes:

And by the way, this very issue is one thing that sets us apart from the Singer's and Marydawg's of the world and their "claims". Kind of a 'tell' if you will.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Black hole (and others) claims of APs bragging about their riches is just unfounded. Few APs talk about what they make. Never or only very occasionally have I heard Axelwolf, MaxPen, Mickey, monet put a number to their income.

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AxelAss has been bragging about beating casinos for decades. He’s so big at it he can’t handle making all the money by himself. He has to hire and pay teams a percentage of all the profits to grab all he can for himself. If that’s not bragging, what do you call it?

BlackOz brags about all his teams while cashing in 7K per day. If that’s not bragging, what do you call it?

JbJb or whatever his name is always brags about how much his clan makes. Always calling what others claim making here is petty cash. If that’s not bragging, what do you call it?

MaxPen is just a 2-bit loser compounded with being a fucking coward, so he doesn’t count.

Monet is obviously a degenerate but at least he brings a high level of entertainment to the forum.

Now we even have Acuntinquestion claiming he sometimes has daily 100k swings, with no concerns one way or the other, while living in Moms basement. If that's not bragging, what do you call it?

Do you even read this forum?

You’re just a complete fucking idiot trying to keep your fantasies about almost 2 decades of beating and making a living over and over again, year after year at the same casinos in Las Vegas, while never being Id’d or 86’d while pretending to use numbers you hope are believable.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Yes I DO share what I make because I wanted to show just what range a full time counter could make as opposed to the '21' movie showing players making and hiding hundreds of K in the ceilings of their dorms. Or the players like KC traveling the country and world playing high stakes only to be unable to play anywhere after 6 months to a year.

My intention has always been to show what kind of money is realistically possible on an ongoing basis and still be welcome to play.

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KewlJ, this is what burns me up when you say these things. You talk about your own specific methods of play, which include your own levels of play for only one specific area of the country. Including your 30 or so casino rotation while playing until recently almost every day which results in hundreds and hundreds of hours. You also have different numerous varieties of games and rules to play against. All of your information has absolutely nothing in common with people living in other parts of the country who usually play against one specific set of rules depending upon what part of the country they live in. You have often spoken about playing short sessions of sometimes only playing one shoe and then head for the door, you must realize that in different parts of the country people do not play that way period. My point is that when you write about the way that you play please realize that your story is extremely limited for other player's comparison.

Bosox, of course my situation, my experiences, my opportunities are different that most other players. But that doesn't mean that different players can't and don't find value in this or that or incorporate this small part of what I do, maybe a chip inventory or small buy-ins or any number of things. Just because someone can't do everything that I do, I sincerely hope and think they can find some value and things that they may wish to incorporate into their play.

And by the way, that is exactly what I did. Every single thing I do was learned from someone on some forum.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Bosox, of course my situation, my experiences, my opportunities are different that most other players.

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That sounds about right coming from a BJ player from Las Vegas the gambling capital of the world for the last 60 years or so. I’ll bet more than half the Las Vegas population is doing what you do by now and still getting away with it like you. If not for a living, just for side income.

You will continue on and on with your gibberish regardless how many times you’re made a fool of. I guess this is what to expect when bullshit artists have no place else to post.

Black hole, you are not worth responding to. Your bitterness and bias comes glaring through to the point you are dishonest about everything you write.

As for your post a few posts above, I have explained over and over and over again, how it is that I have been able to achieve some longevity. You just don't want to hear it so you refuse to accept it.

As far as not getting backoffs, 86ings and heat...rubbish. I have also shared that. My first several years in Vegas I got 5-7 backoffs a year. You learn from each and every one, what is tolerated and accepted and what isn't and adjust your game. Now I get 1 it 2 a year.

Plus you learn to see heat and backoffs coming and can avoid them before the actual back off or 86ing. That is what this game is. You adjust to what is tolerated.

Now let's go back to you crying about APs claiming riches. I claim AVERAGE upper 5 figures....not riches by any stretch, and you a guy who claims to have made so much more in a traditional job/business seem to be jealous as all hell. Something isn't adding up. Your extreme bitterness says you are lying about something, either this high income you claim or that you wanted to AP but either failed or didn't have the balls. That is the only explanation for such bitterness.

And let's get something else straight. This isn't the only place I can post. I choose to post here as well as at a blackjack only forum and at times WoV. Sure I get suspended at WoV. Everyone who speaks their mind Does.

I also am critical of Druff about some things here but I still choose to post here....until I choose not to. Deal with it.

First you said “claims of APs bragging about their riches is just unfounded.”

After I confirmed you were wrong about that, you then said “Now let's go back to you crying about APs claiming riches.”

I’m not crying about anything. I’m just pointing out all the un-proven or un-confirmed bullshit that actually gets posted here by alleged AP’s.

Then you go into your typical gibberish towards anyone that don’t agree or believe you…

Quote: “and you a guy who claims to have made so much more in a traditional job/business seem to be jealous as all hell. Something isn't adding up. Your extreme bitterness says you are lying about something, either this high income you claim or that you wanted to AP but either failed or didn't have the balls. That is the only explanation for such bitterness.”

That same tag against anyone that don’t agree with you above is as played out as your Walt Disney Las Vegas adventures. By that I mean how many times can one person watch Peter Pan. Even kids eventually had enough.

Your envy of people like me comes glaring through to the point you are dishonest about everything you write.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm sure if I made a trip down the road to Asheville to visit Rob's mother-in-law, she'd add that her daughter is in the 43rd year of being a "happily married woman."

Or maybe not.

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You're certainly welcome to confirm that. But you'll most probably come away with wondering how Rob Argentino could have such a successful marriage and family, while the character who calls himself redietz could have caused his short-term wife to leave him with nothing but a sports gambling addiction.

Wake up and smell the urine.

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I was married a couple months shy of 25 years.

Sports gambling addiction? I respect your gambling addiction expertise, but I can honestly say that you would be hard pressed to find one person who would characterize me that way. I'm kind of the opposite of a sports gambling addict. I prefer not playing. That's what happens when you're ahead lifetime, and you specialize in one sport.

Why don't you make a few calls? I'd love for you to dig up someone who would characterize me as a sports gambling addict. That would really be something. I'd pay to see that. In fact, I will. Find a real person who knows me, and I'll shell out a Circus Circus steakhouse dinner if they will go on record as sincerely thinking I am a sports gambling addict. You and the wife, too. Steak dinners on me. Invite the mother-in-law while you're at it.

It has to be a real person, though. Try the usual locations. You might want to call Playbook, or maybe the Las Vegas Advisor, or any of the folks in the Retro Road Trip thread, or anybody who has met me from the forums.

Good luck.

P.S. Guess how this turns out? As per usual.

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This nervous rap by redietz....it must be the result of a very effective zinger :)

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Black hole, you are not worth responding to. Your bitterness and bias comes glaring through to the point you are dishonest about everything you write.

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Yet you continue responding to the loser troll....lol

Do you go down and talk to the people in the tunnels too? They are probably more relevant than blacktrole :)

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Yet you continue responding to the loser troll....lol

Do you go down and talk to the people in the tunnels too? They are probably more relevant than blacktrole :)

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Wow !!! What a surprise post by MaxPad. Who would have expected anything like that coming from him? Especially being directed at me.

You know I must be getting under his skin. I got him to post more than one sentence.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Bosox, of course my situation, my experiences, my opportunities are different that most other players. But that doesn't mean that different players can't and don't find value in this or that or incorporate this small part of what I do, maybe a chip inventory or small buy-ins or any number of things. Just because someone can't do everything that I do, I sincerely hope and think they can find some value and things that they may wish to incorporate into their play.

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KJ, when you periodically say the following words Quote:
"My intention has always been to show what kind of money is realistically possible on an ongoing basis and still be welcomed back to play."
You cannot say what kind of money a card counter in other parts of the country can realistically make and be welcomed back without actually having recently played yourself for any length of time in those other areas to know what is true or not.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

You cannot say what kind of money a card counter in other parts of the country can realistically make and be welcomed back without actually having recently played yourself for any length of time in those other areas to know what is true or not.

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WTF Bosox? Do I really need to post a disclaimer with every post stating that the experiences and techniques that I am sharing are based on my own situation and what I have available? Doesn't that go without saying?

And that means that everything I share may not be helpful to everyone depending on their situation. For example someone that doesn't have many games close by isn't going to wong out as aggressively as I do. No one is going to drive an hour, play 10 minutes, exit a negative count and leave. They have to develop a different approach for escaping some of the negative counts, probably involving bathroom breaks and phone calls.

And people playing crowded conditions aren't going to find much value in tracking a second table. But maybe they find value in something else I have shared like VERY small buy-ins or chip inventory allowing entrance to a game (and exit) with less attention.

Look, I share some of what I do and maybe some players can pick up things that benefit them. I never intended to provide a blueprint for everyone to copy. What I share is MY blueprint or game plan for MY circumstances. And I think that goes without need of a disclaimer saying so.

Now based on the conversation you and your buddy are having about me in a thread with my name :rolleyes: I think we need to discuss what a backoff is.

A backoff is not a permanent loss of a game, casino or opportunity....only temporary. I handle a backoff by staying away from that casino for 2-3 months and then returning but avoiding the pit person involved for longer.
TEMPORARY is the key word.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Do you go down and talk to the people in the tunnels too?

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Since the OP is MIA on this thread it seems fair to hijack it a bit.

Tunnel people: by report there's a lot of homeless fucks living in the flood tunnels under and near the strip.

Some of them I understand live way, deep inside, a mile or more from an entrance, IIRC.

Given that, I have to believe that some tunnel people have died from drowning when a flash flood rips through.

Any reports of this happening, e.g. during a "monsoon" storm / rain event?

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Since the OP is MIA on this thread it seems fair to hijack it a bit.

Tunnel people: by report there's a lot of homeless fucks living in the flood tunnels under and near the strip.

Some of them I understand live way, deep inside, a mile or more from an entrance, IIRC.

Given that, I have to believe that some tunnel people have died from drowning when a flash flood rips through.

Any reports of this happening, e.g. during a "monsoon" storm / rain event?

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Why do you want us to provide that information to you??
Do you want to masturbate while you read the story and look at the pictures???
Might as well slurp some slant eyed noodles, with Redietz, while you're at it.

Morbid curiosity nothing more.

One might expect that multiple deaths would be a regular event yet I recall reading nothing of it, which surprises me.

No pics needed: you can use them exclusively for your own "intimate moments."

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Black hole, you are not worth responding to. Your bitterness and bias comes glaring through to the point you are dishonest about everything you write.

As for your post a few posts above, I have explained over and over and over again, how it is that I have been able to achieve some longevity. You just don't want to hear it so you refuse to accept it.

As far as not getting backoffs, 86ings and heat...rubbish. I have also shared that. My first several years in Vegas I got 5-7 backoffs a year. You learn from each and every one, what is tolerated and accepted and what isn't and adjust your game. Now I get 1 it 2 a year.

Plus you learn to see heat and backoffs coming and can avoid them before the actual back off or 86ing. That is what this game is. You adjust to what is tolerated.

Now let's go back to you crying about APs claiming riches. I claim AVERAGE upper 5 figures....not riches by any stretch, and you a guy who claims to have made so much more in a traditional job/business seem to be jealous as all hell. Something isn't adding up. Your extreme bitterness says you are lying about something, either this high income you claim or that you wanted to AP but either failed or didn't have the balls. That is the only explanation for such bitterness.

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The only thing anyone with a brain can say after reading this diatribe is how kew needs every reader to be completely stupid and incompetent.

That didn't happen however. I kept and printed out this gem to show to and get comments from the person who is in charge of the suite of Peppermill Casinos in Nevada.

His first comment was that this poster must be on drugs or a stoner. You don't get "backed off" then forgotten about without being noticed, so that you can restart the "mugging". And he said there is no way in hell ANY card counter could ever continuously outsmart and outplay the card-counting computers in the sky at nearly every major Nv. casino. He laughed at the idea that someone could come up with any "system" of anti-detection, esp. in this day and age where this type of information on counters is shared amongst casinos throughout the entire state. And his comment about anyone being able to make anywhere in the 5-figure range BY COUNTING CARDS for 15-20 consecutive years? You don't want to know.

These are people I explained and showed how the DU play worked. One of the bars at Western Village had never had it's machines updated up until last year (they have newer ones now) which is why none of the Peppermill Casinos will turn on the DU option for you.

Kew, you've read too many forum stories, from which you have concocted your fairy tale internet life. Suggest you listen to blackhole. He's also correctly pegged you as always coming apart at the seams with anyone who hits you with the BS label.

Get a good night's sleep.

What I enjoy about you Rob, is that every once in a while, in your desperation to attempt to discredit me or some other AP that you are jealous and bitter about, you post something as stupid as above, complete with the "I showed this post to my imaginary expert". You know your opinion is nothing so enter the imaginary expert. All that is missing is the imaginary expert posting here like "girlfriday" your imaginary real estate expert. :cool:

I don't even have to post anything debunking your ridiculous post because every AP, whether playing professionally or recreationally, whether blackjack player or not, knows what you just wrote is as silly and as real as your 1.5 million dollar Newell.

Don't have to expose someone who exposes themselves. You have done all the work for me. :)