Obvious Observations and Ramifications of the NBA Scandal(s)

Valley View Pennsylvania

Population 1627.

Just when I though you couldn't get any more "east Bumblefuck" than Johnson City Tennessee, Bob Dietz has managed to with Valley View Pa. I guess the center of the sports betting universe. :D

Maybe Dietz can hold some kind of Sports betting Symposium at the Valley View public Library. Oh wait, it doesn't look like Valley View has a library. :D Maybe we can hold the "international Valley View sports betting symposium' in Aunt Bea's kitchen some Thursday evening. :rolleyes:


But enough of this. You have yourself a good life Bob Dietz. :)

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

The Harbors Island off of Harmon's way back in the early 90s was actually a pretty nice place, beautiful pool, hot tubs, workout center, and well-kept grounds.

Throughout the years, I stayed at the weekly places on and off many times. I can't recall ever having a problem. But yeah, they all became pretty sketchy overall.

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First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

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Don't flatter yourself, Bro, my comment had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you, I don't even remember you ever saying you stayed there.

I lived there MYSELF when I was about 20-21 years old (I take it you were much older than that when you stayed at those places) for about 6 to 8 months. I also stayed at the one next to the Frontier and Stardust for a short time as well.



I came to Vegas Via a Greyhound bus when I was 18 with less than $300 in my pocket from the sale of my blown 1970 Chevy Nova. I moved around to different places many times in Las Vegas. I would say there have been more than 20 different places that I have lived in Vegas. Oftentimes, I didn't have a choice; I just took the cheapest, most convenient thing I possibly could as I was living paycheck to paycheck until I got into Advantage Play. I had no safety net.

I lived on 1st and Bonneville, Cason and 11th, The Katie Arms apartments on Twain and Swenson, 13th Street and Mayland Parkway, and in the Naked City. At the time, I didn't think those places were that bad; it's not like I was able to get into the safety of my car and drive away, as I didn't have a vehicle at the time, therefore, I walked or rode my bike everywhere.

Perhaps it was just ignorant bliss, but I didn't think those places were all that bad at the time and I never seemed to have an issue at the places I lived or in the neighborhoods. During my younger years in Vegas, I was almost never home anyway. I used my house to sleep, shower, shave, and fuck. Other than that, I was either out working, chasing tail, shooting pool, or hanging out with friends and then chasing more tail.

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Thing is if you're a white guy and not in a black ghetto it isn't that dangerous if you don't look like you have money. If you look poor or dress and present yourself as poor - people don't fuck with you. I guess I lived in naked city at one point. Was kinda wild. I'd be so bored sometimes I'd go play .05 VP at the convience store for lolz and watch all the characters.

Also lived off Harmon. Saw some weird fights. The young black girl getting it in the room next door then appearing to be trying to prostitute herself out. I acquired quite a few stories from the 6 months i lived in LV in those places.

It isn't just that they're cheap - it is also that they're furnished.

Anyway, it builds character... I have money now but life isn't really that much different. In some ways it was more adventurous then. I wouldn't want to grow old in one of those places as you do start to become a target but we're not so thats ok.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by redietz

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

I stayed at Harbor Islands for a few seasons. I also stayed at the large Budget Suites directly behind the Stardust for a number of years, which was actually nicer than Harbor Islands -- better apartments, better workout center, nicer pools, tennis courts, and populated by the girls working the clubs on what is now Dean Martin. I also stayed at the Convention Center Lodge, directly across the strip from the Stardust, which was nice and had a clientele that, these days, would be hosting poker games, if you get my drift. I spent some seasons rotating between downtown casinos -- El Cortez, Plaza, what was the Holiday Inn, and yes, the occasional Gold Spike weekend. To my eternal credit, I even stayed (twice) a couple of days at The Western. Builds character. I stopped doing that after the morning I woke to the maids yelling, "Look at all that blood!" outside my door. I walked outside -- yep, lots of blood. I had slept through it. LOL. Oh well.

If you want to look at these places, which were not dives except for The Western (which was worse than a dive), just find some strip-driving videos from the 90's on YouTube. The Convention Center Lodge is directly across the street from the Stardust.

My first year in LV, I shared a two-bedroom apartment in the Harmon area with a guy who worked security at two clubs. He was a Karate Kid kind of guy -- had been training in martial arts since he was four or five (I saw the photos). He was a black ninja and could do things physically that were unbelievable. I remember walking out of our apartment, which was on the second floor, and he nonchalantly vaulted over the second floor railing and landed on the sidewalk below without halfway bending his knees. He just did it like you or I would jump off a step. Then he waited for me to make it down the stairs. Great stuff living with him. After that, I got my own place each year.

Here's what staying in Las Vegas a hundred days a year tells you. I am what I say -- a college football specialist who spent 100 days a year in Las Vegas and left when the college season was done (Thanksgiving). About 85% of my wagering each year was college football. I'm not some gamble-holic addict thinking he has an edge where there is none. I had no interest in blackjack, slots, table games, and "AP" types of survival. I had minimal interest in trying to conquer everything because I'm not some gamble-holic, and I don't presume I can beat sports 99.9% of other people are not beating. My wife was pursuing a double doctorate at Penn State, so I left LV after my hundred-day stint each year.

The only casino games I played were video poker during the Dancer heyday. Sports comps had been dramatically cut, so I played five or six hours of video poker each week to explore what kinds of meals and comps I could get. I made a marginal amount of money while accruing a couple of meals each week and a dozen to two dozen comped nights at Boyd each year.

See, this is how real human beings who are not gamble-holics conduct themselves. They do what they are good at, then go do something else.

I can't believe people would actually criticize me for this. This forum is run by a poker player. Tens of thousands of poker players follow this blueprint every year for the WSOP.

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I don't think many people are following Todd's "blueprint"


All those wsop geeks are about bracelets of which Todd has won 1. No slight to him but it was so long ago this doesn't put him on the radar. You know so little about poker. Stop it. The other day when this broke I was playing and hadn't seen the news but the game I was in was a green chip game and one of the few pros at this private game had direct experience with this shit. I didn't quite catch it. Only thing the dude said for most of the night.

Your obsession with lowlife aka gangsters is pathetic at your age.

Your insecurities aimed at APs is clearly insurmountable for you in this life time.

For the umpteenth time, stick with your stories and you'll be more respected. Your constant need to turn everything into an insult is just lol.

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This is account's response because he didn't spend 30 seconds (his usual investigative investment) googling about La Cosa's current Las Vegas presence.

So, let me pin you down, genius. Are the "gangsters" considered "lowlifes" because they were caught currently (as in "recently") scamming seven million or whatever from folks, or are they "lowlifes" because they aren't operating at a high enough income/sophistication level for your tastes? Or are they "lowlifes" because they are smarter than you and yours?

Don't be shy, account. I'm sure if these guys funneled seven million trackable current dollars from these games, the actual figures stretching back years would be significantly more robust. So how do you define "lowlifes?" They probably dress better than you, own more than you, understand gambling better than you, make more money than you, and are more educated than you. So my only conclusion is that you are making a very curious and self-serving value judgement.

Far be it from account to be a "lowlife." He's just trying to do to casinos what these guys did to their wealthy marks. Only they were successful for years. And made more money than account. And likely dress better. And likely eat better. And likely have more money. And...you get the picture.

Welcome to the Jungle, genius.

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They're lowlifes because it is obvious to reasonably decent people with 2 brain cells.

Only uneducated money chasing ghetto glorified losers look up to gangsters. and you.

We get it though - you think they're cool. And TBH they kinda are in many ways. Criminals are almost universally more likeable than the everyday man. It is their lack of following rules but a few other things.

True story - early on when I started posting on here Redietz sent me some weird message telling me how he thinks Rob is mob affiliated. Whether he was/is or not I do't care but.. his obsession with mafia/mob is just lol.

I've known plenty of professional criminals in my day. Playing poker - the guys who can stay up til 3am with money to burn usually aren't on the straight and narrow. I don't look up to them but some of them were pretty ok and a few I'd called friends at times. In my part of the world though there isn't this sort of mafia. Protection rackets don't work too well when people have guns and liberal self-protection laws.

But protection money and many manner of ways they extract income clearly makes them lowlifes.

Serious question Redietz - why do you even post on here when this place is crawling with successful gamblers and they all find you a total joke. They don't really care about you outside of your constant need to come here and insult. Why? What motivates you? Is there no where else you think you can rub together a few nickels from some rube because you've failed at sports betting for decades and need investement money?

Talking about well dressed ... too funny.

Enjoy the penny loafers, doofus. Let me give you a dime to put in them. Then you can wear your dime loafers.

Incredible.

But thats what gives VCT that specialness.

AcctinQ, can I ask what time period your 6 months living in Vegas was? Just asking out of curiosity....not trying to spring some coach belly type attack.

Those weeklys really aren't cheap today. $300, $359, $379 last time I looked and I really don't have a reason to look often other than curiosity. $300 to $350 is $1400 a month and for that money you can get a decent regular type apartment in Vegas and not necessarily in a bad area. Besides being furnished, which I guess is a big deal to the transient folks that live in these places, the biggest draw is no credit check and no criminal checks. You pay the money and you can move in for the week or month. They can do this because these places aren't technically apartments. They are motel, (you even pay tax). So they don't have to go through any eviction process. When your time is up, if you don't pay, they just call the cops and have you removed.

I am not speaking from any kind of personal experience. I did have a roommate, a poker player that I took in shortly after moving to Vegas that when I met him, he lived in his car most of the time and in a weekly during times he was doing well with his poker.

I also used to see and talk you a number of, I don't even know how to describe them, degenerate gamblers, maybe played a few little things at an advantage, but not enough to make any real money. I would see these guys at places like Gold coast, Sam's town, and maybe downtown. Not really at the Station casinos except maybe Boulder Station. These dudes usually had some sort of government check, welfare, SSI whatever and they lived in these weeklys, sometimes in groups of 2-3 and gambled all day, mostly -Ev, but as I said some small shit that was +EV if done right. NOT card counting as these guys would never be able to put together even a small bankroll for card counting. Sounds like a pretty tough existence to me.

The only way I could see going through that shit is if you were just starting out and building a bankroll. But you build a BR and move on. For someone to live in these kinds of places 3-4 months a year for many years, doesn't make sense. I doubt Billy Waters lived in weeklys or if he did it was a very short time at the very beginning and then he built a BR and never looked back. This is the kind of thing from Red's story that just doesn't fit.

But I really do want to try to stop "picking on him". I am really getting the feeling there is something medically wrong with him.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by The Boz

You know what my take from this is, granted I knew it for years about them?

There are multiple people here that have made successful lives for themselves here through mostly AP in their own way. Axel, Mickey, RED, KJ, Druff and a few others have done it from semi different backgrounds, but did it through hard work, learning, listening and discipline. I understand the trolling and arguing but it’s hard to argue with the fact that they live and lived life their own way and seem to have enjoyed the freedom it gave them. I would never argue they didn’t work as hard as those who had “regular” jobs in life and hang out here. To me their lives and career choices are something to be celebrated, not degraded.

In fact as far as I know there is only one person here who was handed almost everything in life and seems to be the one most upset that no one legitimately respects or believes him. And yes, Singer doesn’t believe most of what the guy claims either, even if he uses him as a useful dupe in his attacks on KJ.

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Good to hear from you Boz.

I have a bit of a problem with the 5 members you listed, Axelwolf, mickeycrimm, myself, Dan Druff and Redietz. Four of us won money from the casinos. Technically, a poker player like Druff, wins from other players more than casinos. That is not disqualifying, just a little different as far as advantage play for a living. But he also does some advantage play stuff. BUT the 5th guy, Redeitz, makes money (as a tout) from other players. He doesn't win money from other players, he sells them pciks. It is NOT the same. :rolleyes:

I enjoyed reading Axelwolf's post today of his early years, including where he stayed as he was getting started. Just as I have always enjoyed mickeycrimms accounts of the same. For me, my early struggling days (when building a bankroll) didn't occur in Las Vegas. They occurred when I lived in Philly and played Atlantic City. And I have written about that. You will see some similarities.

But again, Redietz, while posting accounts of some of the lower end places he stayed, it is an entirely different scenario. He wasn't an advantage player, getting started, building a bankroll. he was a dude looking for "marks" to sell to. And you know how we know this is what he did? HE told us by linking to his website, where he had written out the investment pitch he used. He did that! THAT was the proof that he was a tout selling to and using other people's money to bet. THAT is a salesman, not an AP or professional gambler.

Now along the way, Redietz, muddied the waters with all this contest claims and shit. It was Kim Lee that came along and exposed that part. That the contests are nothing more than a tool used by the different touts back in the day. And they weren't even necessarily legit. Players could pay to have good results shown.

The other thing Kim Lee exposed was when he said he "studied" all the contest results that redietz has pushed on us for years and Kim Lee concluded Redietz did not have a great winning percentage. His conclusion was that he may of broke even or made a small amount of money betting some years. THAT just is NOT and advantage player or a professional player or professional gambler or whatever terminology you want to use. THAT is a guy selling shit! Selling a product that just happens to be his sports picks. :cool: I mean he can dress it up anyway he wants with the "investment opportunity", but he was a tout! And he used other peoples money to wager when he did bet, rather than building a BR and using his own money.

The Redietz story is the story of a sports betting Tout, not an advantage player or winning gambler. I mean, I guess that is alright. He just should have told us that up front instead of all this other bullshit. So I just don't appreciate Red's accounts of the places he stayed like I do, legitimate AP's getting started and building a bankroll. Maybe that is just me.

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The whole tournament thing is such bullshit.

He never competed against a professional organization. This is why he mocks the concept of weak lines. He just takes the lines given and has to bet somewhere, The type of thought processes actual real winning sports bettors go through are not the ones Redietz goes through.

And again - for the 14th time this is why he mocks EV. Ev is necessary to know when NOT to bet. When you play tournaments you find out the best bet and utilizing hunches and such could very well work for that.

Redietz is a clown and this is known by everyone on here.

Honestly a bigger clown than Kewl. Kewl just wants to be loved and respected as an AP. Literally. It is kinda endearing after his many year consistency. Redietz though is just nasty. His attempt at trying to gain people's info has struck me as a way for him to gain leverage. No wonder why he likes sleezeball gangsters so much. He thinks like them. ALways looking for marks.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

AcctinQ, can I ask what time period your 6 months living in Vegas was? Just asking out of curiosity....not trying to spring some coach belly type attack.

Those weeklys really aren't cheap today. $300, $359, $379 last time I looked and I really don't have a reason to look often other than curiosity. $300 to $350 is $1400 a month and for that money you can get a decent regular type apartment in Vegas and not necessarily in a bad area. Besides being furnished, which I guess is a big deal to the transient folks that live in these places, the biggest draw is no credit check and no criminal checks. You pay the money and you can move in for the week or month. They can do this because these places aren't technically apartments. They are motel, (you even pay tax). So they don't have to go through any eviction process. When your time is up, if you don't pay, they just call the cops and have you removed.

I am not speaking from any kind of personal experience. I did have a roommate, a poker player that I took in shortly after moving to Vegas that when I met him, he lived in his car most of the time and in a weekly during times he was doing well with his poker.

I also used to see and talk you a number of, I don't even know how to describe them, degenerate gamblers, maybe played a few little things at an advantage, but not enough to make any real money. I would see these guys at places like Gold coast, Sam's town, and maybe downtown. Not really at the Station casinos except maybe Boulder Station. These dudes usually had some sort of government check, welfare, SSI whatever and they lived in these weeklys, sometimes in groups of 2-3 and gambled all day, mostly -Ev, but as I said some small shit that was +EV if done right. NOT card counting as these guys would never be able to put together even a small bankroll for card counting.

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20 or so years ago.

I lived off Harmon .. I've also had like 5 week stints and such in LV I believe. Stayed in a weekly once when something happened and all the strip deals went like crazy.

I've been caught off guard and stayed at a room that smelled of death. I thought something mmust have died in that room. I left and came back and holy shit it smelled putrid. I had to go outside and inhale deeply and go back inside to gather my shit. I thought I could fade the smell of a dead rat but later someone suggested that someone had probably died in that room. THen I started to wonder what would have happened if I had stripped that mattress down and looked at both sides. fuck!

Like I said - these things build character.

I've heard some have a scam where these weeklies do a criminal check after the fact so they can confiscate your shit.

Slot hustling is the only advantage play that takes so little intelligence. YOu just need discipline and a trustworthy source of info for your entry points. Outside of that you need few skills. Thats why it died so fast. The internet has fucked over everything though by removing knowledge asymetry.

I met a guy while MCing .. he seemed to be on top of it.. was just hammering cards at the casino I went to. I even helped him a little bit. A yearish later he was in our telegram channel asking if we had any jobs he could do. Dude went from making more money than he'd ever made into needing a way to make a living. I liked him a lot too - hope he's doing well.

He has this system where he told people his nickname but it was relative to teh casino he met them in. So that way he could remember where he met them. I'm not sure how useful that is but I found it interesting.

Anyway - interesting conversations.

And if you notice - Redietz says nothing interesting outside of the humorous aspect of his need to try and belittle everyone to pump himself up.

What a nasty individual. Up there with Singer.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Are the "gangsters" considered "lowlifes" because they were caught currently (as in "recently") scamming seven million or whatever from folks, or are they "lowlifes" because they aren't operating at a high enough income/sophistication level for your tastes? Or are they "lowlifes" because they are smarter than you and yours?

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I thought the answer to this question would be obvious.

Gangsters can aptly be branded as "lowlifes" because they engage in and support themselves by ongoing criminal activity.

Q.E.D.

Doesn't matter how much money they have, or what they drive: crooks are crooks and crooks are BAD.

Which is not to say that they do not perform services valuable to some non-gangsters: patrons of prostitutes, junkies: but they're equally "lowlife."

There are no brownie points in life or on this board from associating with gangsters; only the silly notion that this somehow makes someone special.

Crime and criminals have always been deemed a evidence of a society's failure, akin to cancer.

But we mere mortals often avail ourselves of their offerings even though we know better: Wicked World.

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That whole paragraph just shows you how unethical Redietz is. Like he just doesn't get it.

I guess he was on here looking for Marks for his small time touting outfit. that didn't owrk and now he's angry about it.

Like .. cheating people is theft. If you're cool with that then you're cool with thieves stealing from people.

I'm not sure why it isn't clear to him that stealing from people makes one a lowlife?

Like .. there is your answer. Doh mother fucker!

Redietz is a loser who wants to be seen as a big shot. In his world thugs are cool. He likes comic books. What else can be said? To each his own?

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Originally Posted by redietz

First of all, the only reason Axelwolf has any idea where I have stayed is because I have made the occasional self-deprecating comment. That isn't me being too dumb to protect my image; that's me being funny.

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Don't flatter yourself, Bro, my comment had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you, I don't even remember you ever saying you stayed there.

I lived there MYSELF when I was about 20-21 years old (I take it you were much older than that when you stayed at those places) for about 6 to 8 months. I also stayed at the one next to the Frontier and Stardust for a short time as well.



I came to Vegas Via a Greyhound bus when I was 18 with less than $300 in my pocket from the sale of my blown 1970 Chevy Nova. I moved around to different places many times in Las Vegas. I would say there have been more than 20 different places that I have lived in Vegas. Oftentimes, I didn't have a choice; I just took the cheapest, most convenient thing I possibly could as I was living paycheck to paycheck until I got into Advantage Play. I had no safety net.

I lived on 1st and Bonneville, Cason and 11th, The Katie Arms apartments on Twain and Swenson, 13th Street and Mayland Parkway, and in the Naked City. At the time, I didn't think those places were that bad; it's not like I was able to get into the safety of my car and drive away, as I didn't have a vehicle at the time, therefore, I walked or rode my bike everywhere.

Perhaps it was just ignorant bliss, but I didn't think those places were all that bad at the time and I never seemed to have an issue at the places I lived or in the neighborhoods. During my younger years in Vegas, I was almost never home anyway. I used my house to sleep, shower, shave, and fuck. Other than that, I was either out working, chasing tail, shooting pool, or hanging out with friends and then chasing more tail.

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Truly, a life well lived.

And yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.

Thank God I met Richard Munchkin, because if I thought Axelwolf represented the creme de la creme of "APing," holy juvenility, Batman.

If I die and go to hell, I may be living Axelwolf's life.

Coach, please take it away. I have no further insights. Anybody asks what I think of Axelwolf, I will just quote his post above and not add a word.

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Well, your sarcasm and post is idiotic since it wasn't a lifetime, it was only a few years of my young life where I had to live paycheck to paycheck while having to live in some undesirable areas. I never came from money or had mommy and daddy's help; I had to make my own way, and I figured it out. I started making close to $50 an hour in my early twenties and then blew up rather quickly with employees, a team, as a professional gambler.

My life certainly wasn't hell, even during my paycheck-to-paycheck living days, I made lemonade out of lemons, and I had a blast during those years.


Suddenly, you stopped invoking Mdawg? Do you feel coach is better for your reputation?

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Originally Posted by jce102jz

I don't like to badmouth anybody. But after reading this post, I see now that I am not alone in my opinions of axelwolf. Everyone held him in such high regards that I felt like I could blindly trust him. That was a mistake.

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societal dropouts with severe emotional problems.

Axel drank himself into a stupor the first time he met a couple of strangers from WOV, what's that tell you

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Originally Posted by jce102jz

I don't like to badmouth anybody. But after reading this post, I see now that I am not alone in my opinions of axelwolf. Everyone held him in such high regards that I felt like I could blindly trust him. That was a mistake.

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societal dropouts with severe emotional problems.

Axel drank himself into a stupor the first time he met a couple of strangers from WOV, what's that tell you

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I spent plenty of nights at the Western and Ambassador Inn when downtown. This goes back to the 90's and 2000's.The Ambassador had weeklies at $120 a week. But then I moved up to the Budget Inn, 201 w. Main, $140 a week. Much safer. Out the backdoor of the Budget, around the corner and into the casino center entrance to the Golden Nugget, and I was in action.

On the strip the great thing about Budget Suites behind the Stardust was there was no neighborhood. No one from the hood hanging out. More expensive, $230 a week but I liked the place.
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A quote of the OP:

"But to the obvious -- the tech and techniques used at the poker tables are obviously accretional. They could have been (and were) developed and used as individual techniques and strategies. The fact that they landed en masse at this particular set of games likely demonstrates (1) they have been used individually for eons at various games around the country and (2) they just happened to all land at this particular game because this kind of manipulation is mature, as in "has been done forever in part in various games." But these folks decided to slap it all together in a Super Adaptoid format (Marvel comics readers get that reference) because...why not be greedy and micro-manage everything? To argue that these techniques haven't been used separately for a long, long time is silly.

Meanwhile, the kewlJs of the world have existed in LV for decades and know nothing about any of this except as it pertains to blackjack, which speaks to either (A) they ain't what they say they are or (B) they are dumb as rocks and more blind than Ms. Keller or (C) both."

Of course, this is all hindsight by ditz. He chides us for not knowing, but what the fuck did he know about it? Nothing.

Years ago KJ seen some funny shit from one of those shufflers and wrote about it extensively here. Sure, he's a blackjack player, but what simp wouldn't know that if BJ could be cheated by these machines then poker could easily be cheated too. I took note of it but was never around it.

Ditz admits in this thread he wasn't talented enough to make it as a year around gambler. Just 100 days a year in Las Vegas leaves 265 days a year in Johnson City greeting folks at Walmart.

Ditz' "friend" Munchkin is a multi accounter. Munchkin has interviewed dozens of the most notable gamblers in the world. For some reason ditz puts himself high on Munchkin's list. ROTFLMAO I don't think so. Ditz still refuses to admit he turned Munchkin down for an interview. And at this point in time its glaringly apparent that ditz never intended to ever do an interview of any kind. To chickenshit. He's just been talking shit the whole time.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

I lived off Harmon .. I've also had like 5 week stints and such in LV I believe. Stayed in a weekly once when something happened and all the strip deals went like crazy.

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At the time, I didn't even know what weeklys were or that they even existed. I only found out because I just started seeing this girl who invited me to stay with her at the Harmon location. She ended up moving back to her hometown, and I just took over.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

AcctinQ, can I ask what time period your 6 months living in Vegas was? Just asking out of curiosity....not trying to spring some coach belly type attack.

Those weeklys really aren't cheap today. $300, $359, $379 last time I looked and I really don't have a reason to look often other than curiosity. $300 to $350 is $1400 a month and for that money you can get a decent regular type apartment in Vegas and not necessarily in a bad area. Besides being furnished, which I guess is a big deal to the transient folks that live in these places, the biggest draw is no credit check and no criminal checks. You pay the money and you can move in for the week or month. They can do this because these places aren't technically apartments. They are motel, (you even pay tax). So they don't have to go through any eviction process. When your time is up, if you don't pay, they just call the cops and have you removed.

I am not speaking from any kind of personal experience. I did have a roommate, a poker player that I took in shortly after moving to Vegas that when I met him, he lived in his car most of the time and in a weekly during times he was doing well with his poker.

I also used to see and talk you a number of, I don't even know how to describe them, degenerate gamblers, maybe played a few little things at an advantage, but not enough to make any real money. I would see these guys at places like Gold coast, Sam's town, and maybe downtown. Not really at the Station casinos except maybe Boulder Station. These dudes usually had some sort of government check, welfare, SSI whatever and they lived in these weeklys, sometimes in groups of 2-3 and gambled all day, mostly -Ev, but as I said some small shit that was +EV if done right. NOT card counting as these guys would never be able to put together even a small bankroll for card counting. Sounds like a pretty tough existence to me.

The only way I could see going through that shit is if you were just starting out and building a bankroll. But you build a BR and move on. For someone to live in these kinds of places 3-4 months a year for many years, doesn't make sense. I doubt Billy Waters lived in weeklys or if he did it was a very short time at the very beginning and then he built a BR and never looked back. This is the kind of thing from Red's story that just doesn't fit.

But I really do want to try to stop "picking on him". I am really getting the feeling there is something medically wrong with him.

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$350 a week/$1400 a month is not bad in today's world. The ones I use are $500 to $600 a week, 2K to 2.5K per month. The hotel tax is over after the 4th week. That's the way weekly/monthlies work. It has to do with city ordinance. If it's a hotel you're not considered a monthly resident until after the first month. In most towns the tax you paid on the first month is refuned if you continue to stay there. If that's the way it is in Las Vegas then hotel management never says anything to you about it and pockets the money.

But I get a lot of casino hotel comp. I target it. My September trip to Vegas I did 8 free nights at Flamingo, no resort or parking fee's for being Diamond, did a 35K wager, turned a 3.3K profit. I spent 4 paid nights at Excalibur to get the comp train rolling. I did a 20K wager, ran bad and lost $900. I got an email from a casino host cancelling the resort and parking fee's. Now I've just received an email for a 2 day free package at Excalibur. And a 2 day package at Santa Fe Station. We'll see what else comes in the mail. Haven't gotten anything so far from downtown. Next trip down I'll do some more jump starting of comp offers.

CZR is the core of my comp strategy. I can do up to 5 days at a time. So do the 5 days then bounce to another comped room like EX or Santa Fe, then back to a CZR property.

What's the advantage slot lifestyle like for an old guy that can barely get around? Well, I don't work it like I used to. I used to hard charge it all day long. Now, it's just a couple hours a day on the casino floor with a lot of non playing days. So what has the old fart that can't get around, and hardly plays, made this year? Well, I'm just under 99K straight up machine win. I'll crack 100K probably sometime this week. That's from an old guy that can hardly get around. Advantage machine play is not dead. It just takes some knowlededge, skill, and experience to exploit it. If I were in my prime at this point in time I'd be making 400K a year.

I call the whole thing Mickey's Leisure Lifestyle. Mixed in with all this is doctors appointments, medical procedures that knock me out of action for a week, med refills. So I can't just leave home and stay gone for long periods. Anyways, I'm still having fun with it.

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I'm still having fun with it.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

How many others here can truthfully say that about their job?

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$350 a week/$1400 a month is not bad in today's world. The ones I use are $500 to $600 a week, 2K to 2.5K per month. The hotel tax is over after the 4th week. That's the way weekly/monthlies work. It has to do with city ordinance. If it's a hotel you're not considered a monthly resident until after the first month. In most towns the tax you paid on the first month is refuned if you continue to stay there. If that's the way it is in Las Vegas then hotel management never says anything to you about it and pockets the money.

But I get a lot of casino hotel comp. I target it. My September trip to Vegas I did 8 free nights at Flamingo, no resort or parking fee's for being Diamond, did a 35K wager, turned a 3.3K profit. I spent 4 paid nights at Excalibur to get the comp train rolling. I did a 20K wager, ran bad and lost $900. I got an email from a casino host cancelling the resort and parking fee's. Now I've just received an email for a 2 day free package at Excalibur. And a 2 day package at Santa Fe Station. We'll see what else comes in the mail. Haven't gotten anything so far from downtown. Next trip down I'll do some more jump starting of comp offers.

CZR is the core of my comp strategy. I can do up to 5 days at a time. So do the 5 days then bounce to another comped room like EX or Santa Fe, then back to a CZR property.

What's the advantage slot lifestyle like for an old guy that can barely get around? Well, I don't work it like I used to. I used to hard charge it all day long. Now, it's just a couple hours a day on the casino floor with a lot of non playing days. So what has the old fart that can't get around, and hardly plays, made this year? Well, I'm just under 99K straight up machine win. I'll crack 100K probably sometime this week. That's from an old guy that can hardly get around. Advantage machine play is not dead. It just takes some knowlededge, skill, and experience to exploit it. If I were in my prime at this point in time I'd be making 400K a year.

I call the whole thing Mickey's Leisure Lifestyle. Mixed in with all this is doctors appointments, medical procedures that knock me out of action for a week, med refills. So I can't just leave home and stay gone for long periods. Anyways, I'm still having fun with it.

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As you know mickey, with your help and pointing me to some videos, I had an interest in expanding into some AP slot play this past summer. I didn't stick with it long, only learning a couple plays and working it for 3-4 days before I decided it wasn't for me at this time. One of the reasons I decided that is it seemed like there was always somebody already on every play I found. A lot of competition here in Vegas. It reminded me of the blackjack machine play my brother and did last spring/summer. By the time we got to the Gulf coast, and later East coast there were a lot of people already on this play. We were literally fighting for machines.

So I am curious, based on your recent Vegas trip did you find a lot of "competition" for these plays. More advantage slot players lurking around Vegas than other areas you might travel to? :confused::confused:

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The second big drawback for me was I just no longer want to spend hours every day in a casino. I did that for 12+ years when I was playing the local circuit (blackjack) here in Vegas. I just don't want to go back to that. I currently spend 1 or 2 nights (6-8 hour shift) in casinos playing blackjack. That is enough time spent in casinos for me right now.

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Good for you mickeycrimm for playing and staying at Sante Fe casino, which is kind of off the beaten trail, but was always one of my favorite places. Good blackjack, nice casino. Have you visited the newest Station property Durango yet. If not, do so. I think you will find it equally as nice.

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I'm still having fun with it.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

How many others here can truthfully say that about their job?

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It really is GREAT that mickey is still enjoying what he is doing.

I did for a long time, playing blackjack and being in casinos, but all of the sudden fairly recently I no longer do. It has become a chore or more of a job to go out on a Saturday night and play for 8 hours.

I think I became spoiled when I started doing stuff (sports betting) from home, and making money from the comfort of my home. All of the sudden the appeal of 6-8 hours a day in a casino was gone.

Once I am out and at a table playing blackjack, I still enjoy playing and winning by that method. It is just the whole getting out into the casino environment that has lost its luster for me.

One issue I have with the way I now play, on weekend nights as opposed to the years of playing every day during the day, is that on a Friday/Sat night at 9pm-3am, everyone at the blackjack table is drinking and drunk. When you are the one sober, non-drinking person, you don't find any of that stupid shit amusing.

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I'm still having fun with it.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

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It really is GREAT that mickey is still enjoying what he is doing.

I did for a long time, playing blackjack and being in casinos, but all of the sudden fairly recently I no longer do. It has become a chore or more of a job to go out on a Saturday night and play for 8 hours.

I think I became spoiled when I started doing stuff (sports betting) from home, and making money from the comfort of my home. All of the sudden the appeal of 6-8 hours a day in a casino was gone.

Once I am out and at a table playing blackjack, I still enjoy playing and winning by that method. It is just the whole getting out into the casino environment that has lost its luster for me.

One issue I have with the way I now play, on weekend nights as opposed to the years of playing every day during the day, is that on a Friday/Sat night at 9pm-3am, everyone at the blackjack table is drinking and drunk. When you are the one sober, non-drinking person, you don't find any of that stupid shit amusing.

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Are you FINALLY getting it....that mickey actually KNOWS what he's doing, and doesn't need to concoct odd and far-fetched scenarios in order to convince anyone of anything? And even with his age and medical challenges, instead of coming on here and trying to get sympathy for what he's dealing with, he details the parts that are most interesting to other readers. And guess what---he uses gambling math at will, w/o having to lie about having had a formal education in it like you.

Compare that to your long-ass constant rants about how you are "a professional bj AP who knows how LV works" and how sick you always are with your sad & ridiculous lifestyle, which everyone already knows is completely your own fault.

This is for your lonely old man pal AQ, who like you suffers from TDS & SDS:
So you believe I don't know "math" (which you repeat as often as kew refers to mdawg as a sand nigger)and that knowing "gambling math" is the end-all. What a simple idiot.

My web site included the math behind my play strategy for 10 years, and I explained "the math" behind every one of my special plays in the video Alan took. And either way, in my work career I wasn't concerned with "probabilities" and "expected values" like you fascinated yourself with. I was on every continent in the world explaining sine wave values and force vector math to other EE's who's knowledge of the EXACT AND PRECISE CALCULATIONS needed for ATC comms and aircraft landing parameters was paramount. No room for error AQ, like you leave yourself open to with "gambling msth".

I question whether you've ever been successful at anything.

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Are you FINALLY getting it....that mickey actually KNOWS what he's doing, and doesn't need to concoct odd and far-fetched scenarios in order to convince anyone of anything? And even with his age and medical challenges, instead of coming on here and trying to get sympathy for what he's dealing with, he details the parts that are most interesting to other readers. And guess what---he uses gambling math at will, w/o having to lie about having had a formal education in it like you.

Compare that to your long-ass constant rants about how you are "a professional bj AP who knows how LV works" and how sick you always are with your sad & ridiculous lifestyle, which everyone already knows is completely your own fault.

This is for your lonely old man pal AQ, who like you suffers from TDS & SDS:
So you believe I don't know "math" (which you repeat as often as kew refers to mdawg as a sand nigger)and that knowing "gambling math" is the end-all. What a simple idiot.

My web site included the math behind my play strategy for 10 years, and I explained "the math" behind every one of my special plays in the video Alan took. And either way, in my work career I wasn't concerned with "probabilities" and "expected values" like you fascinated yourself with. I was on every continent in the world explaining sine wave values and force vector math to other EE's who's knowledge of the EXACT AND PRECISE CALCULATIONS needed for ATC comms and aircraft landing parameters was paramount. No room for error AQ, like you leave yourself open to with "gambling msth".

I question whether you've ever been successful at anything.

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Ancient Old fool, you have lied and changed your story so much that you can no longer keep track of your own story, timeline and lies.

Initially you told us that you attempted to be an AP (playing VP) in the late 1990's using traditional advantage play and real math, but failed. I think the number you threw out was that you lost several hundred thousand while trying and failing to be an AP.

Next you claimed that beginning in early 2000 you came up with this Singer Progression strategy, using alternative math and special plays for 10 years. Key word here is "progression". Progression betting cannot overcome negative expectation and make anything +EV. And every rube that has ever thought it could and attempted has lost their ass.

Years later when you stole the double up bug claim, you had to change this timeline to 4 years playing this stupid progression with "special" less optimal plays to make room for the double up bug claim that you stole.

Now you are back telling us 10 years of this strategy. WFT!!!

Now where is this website with the special math for this strategy. I and I suspect others would enjoy reading about your "special" math.


I don't challenge anybody because I don't like them or I don't like their politics or sexual preference or any other thing. I challenge people that are making bullshit claims using ridiculous alternative math.

There is no alternative math, like you would have people believe that ONLY you discovered. THAT is just Singer-esque nonsense. There is one real math that you are bastardizing for your silly little make believe story. Gambling is about math. Advantage play is about Math. REAL Math, not some twilight zone alternative Singer math.

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I'm still having fun with it.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

How many others here can truthfully say that about their job?

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It really is GREAT that mickey is still enjoying what he is doing.

I did for a long time, playing blackjack and being in casinos, but all of the sudden fairly recently I no longer do. It has become a chore or more of a job to go out on a Saturday night and play for 8 hours.

I think I became spoiled when I started doing stuff (sports betting) from home, and making money from the comfort of my home. All of the sudden the appeal of 6-8 hours a day in a casino was gone.

Once I am out and at a table playing blackjack, I still enjoy playing and winning by that method. It is just the whole getting out into the casino environment that has lost its luster for me.

One issue I have with the way I now play, on weekend nights as opposed to the years of playing every day during the day, is that on a Friday/Sat night at 9pm-3am, everyone at the blackjack table is drinking and drunk. When you are the one sober, non-drinking person, you don't find any of that stupid shit amusing.

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What is the reason that no one else out of this extensive network of APs know of this BJ machine? When apparently people all over were on it?

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

How many others here can truthfully say that about their job?

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It really is GREAT that mickey is still enjoying what he is doing.

I did for a long time, playing blackjack and being in casinos, but all of the sudden fairly recently I no longer do. It has become a chore or more of a job to go out on a Saturday night and play for 8 hours.

I think I became spoiled when I started doing stuff (sports betting) from home, and making money from the comfort of my home. All of the sudden the appeal of 6-8 hours a day in a casino was gone.

Once I am out and at a table playing blackjack, I still enjoy playing and winning by that method. It is just the whole getting out into the casino environment that has lost its luster for me.

One issue I have with the way I now play, on weekend nights as opposed to the years of playing every day during the day, is that on a Friday/Sat night at 9pm-3am, everyone at the blackjack table is drinking and drunk. When you are the one sober, non-drinking person, you don't find any of that stupid shit amusing.

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Are you FINALLY getting it....that mickey actually KNOWS what he's doing, and doesn't need to concoct odd and far-fetched scenarios in order to convince anyone of anything? And even with his age and medical challenges, instead of coming on here and trying to get sympathy for what he's dealing with, he details the parts that are most interesting to other readers. And guess what---he uses gambling math at will, w/o having to lie about having had a formal education in it like you.

Compare that to your long-ass constant rants about how you are "a professional bj AP who knows how LV works" and how sick you always are with your sad & ridiculous lifestyle, which everyone already knows is completely your own fault.

This is for your lonely old man pal AQ, who like you suffers from TDS & SDS:
So you believe I don't know "math" (which you repeat as often as kew refers to mdawg as a sand nigger)and that knowing "gambling math" is the end-all. What a simple idiot.

My web site included the math behind my play strategy for 10 years, and I explained "the math" behind every one of my special plays in the video Alan took. And either way, in my work career I wasn't concerned with "probabilities" and "expected values" like you fascinated yourself with. I was on every continent in the world explaining sine wave values and force vector math to other EE's who's knowledge of the EXACT AND PRECISE CALCULATIONS needed for ATC comms and aircraft landing parameters was paramount. No room for error AQ, like you leave yourself open to with "gambling msth".

I question whether you've ever been successful at anything.

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Lmao I was laughing at how hard rob swings with the lonely old man shit and misses. I wasn't going to respond until I read the last few sentences of pure bullshit. Robs so good with numbers he can't figure out how much his made up 1.5 million jackpot weighed. Just spun up bullshit. Rob you're mediocre talented good enough for government work kinda dood. You probably have a decent retirement. I don't particularly care. Funny stuff. It'd be even funnier if you actually had a Newell... or won the jackpot.. or possibly
DU bug.mayhe you don't want pics because of the whole sketchyness if true. It is a shame because that'd be pretty epic.

But I'm betting it is mostly spun up bullshit.