So give him an address and let him mail it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Or, redietz mail it to my office
Axis Media Management Inc
30495 Canwood St #211
Agoura Hills CA 91301
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So give him an address and let him mail it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Or, redietz mail it to my office
Axis Media Management Inc
30495 Canwood St #211
Agoura Hills CA 91301
Oops, I was wrong about the mileage. From the Mercedes website:
Award Milestones
155,000 miles (250,000 kilometers)
312,000 miles (500,000 kilometers )
466,000 miles (750,000 kilometers )
625,000 miles (1,000,000 kilometers)
1,000,000 miles (1,610,000 kilometers)
So I should hit 312,000 miles (500,000 km) by the end of the year.
I was hoping to keep that between us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
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Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSo give him an address and let him mail it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Or, redietz mail it to my office
Axis Media Management Inc
30495 Canwood St #211
Agoura Hills CA 91301
Alrighty. I will make your copy today and get it out to you this week (I may head to LV tomorrow). I may need to email you the photos of the National Conference on Gambling paper separately. I didn't want to damage the binding on the volume using the photocopier, so I took photos. Not sure how they came out. I will try printing them first.
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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Wow. That is cool.
Is this the address that arci sent his tax returns to? And the address that Rob was supposed to send his tax returns to but welshed the bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
If you want to email any photos to me, use my business email: alan@alanbestbuys.comQuote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSo give him an address and let him mail it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Or, redietz mail it to my office
Axis Media Management Inc
30495 Canwood St #211
Agoura Hills CA 91301
Alrighty. I will make your copy today and get it out to you this week (I may head to LV tomorrow). I may need to email you the photos of the National Conference on Gambling paper separately. I didn't want to damage the binding on the volume using the photocopier, so I took photos. Not sure how they came out. I will try printing them first.
Rob is currently unavailable...He is at the airport picking his wife up from her part time job of sniffing luggage :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIs this the address that arci sent his tax returns to? And the address that Rob was supposed to send his tax returns to but welshed the bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Larry Bird! My favorite all time basketball player.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshotI was hoping to keep that between us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
What does saying you "may" head to LV tomorrow and you "may" need to email photos or whatever have to do with actually getting the job done? And don't forget to include one of those photos being your DL or else all the copies of stuff in the world won't mean beans.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSo give him an address and let him mail it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Or, redietz mail it to my office
Axis Media Management Inc
30495 Canwood St #211
Agoura Hills CA 91301
Alrighty. I will make your copy today and get it out to you this week (I may head to LV tomorrow). I may need to email you the photos of the National Conference on Gambling paper separately. I didn't want to damage the binding on the volume using the photocopier, so I took photos. Not sure how they came out. I will try printing them first.
I got arci to make a fool of himself by sending in returns that did nothing but backfire on him. Now it looks as though it's YOUR turn to hop to the crack of my whip. Let's hope for a much better result.
Redietz you don't have to mail anything. Just take some photos with your camera and send the photos. We can wrap this up in a matter of minutes and at no cost.
LOL, Rob. I must be one of them there bi-coastal folks. If my sinus infection calms down, I may head to LV tomorrow via the interstate.
Alan, no worries. I printed everything out but the conference paper, and the material looks half decent, actually. I'll priority it tomorrow if I don't head to LV or I'll overnight it Thursday if I do.
And just for Rob, I won't be including a copy of my driver's license. I want Rob to first explain how somebody other than R.E.Dietz got hold of 40 years of personal material. I'm sure he has a theory. Quacks usually do.
Let's not get carried away here. I don't need anything sent "overnight" because I am not in the office every day. Frankly, I go into the office one day a week. Also, I don't need 40 years worth of anything.
Frankly, a few cell phone snapshots of your name, redietz, showing certain credits is all I need. If you are going to be sending a shitload of stuff that's too big for the mailbox I am not going to the post office to sign for it and pick it up. LOL
No, Alan, not that much stuff. It's probably 25 pages from a dozen different things. My name is attached to the enterprise, so that'll be front and center on most of them. Not much reading. I'll highlight my name on any pages of standings or stats so there will be no eye strain. I'll mail it this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
No, arci made a fool of you. He got you to show your true colors. You welshed the bet. He said beforehand you would never send in your returns. You played right into his hands. You can't show your returns because it would prove you are lying about what you made at video poker. You've never proven your claims but have the gall to demand that others show proof. Only from a loser. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Well, if you want to revisit the Arc tax returns... they made it look like he wasn't the big successful gambler he claimed to be.
Can you find a quote where he said he was a big time gambler? Arci never claimed to be a big time gambler. He claimed to be a part time gambler playing quarter and dollar video poker. What did Rob's tax returns tell you about his claims? Oh, yeah, that's right, Rob welshed the bet and never sent them to you just like arci said Rob would never send them to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What was there to see? Rob admitted to having zero income from video poker. That was his bottom line.
I'm trying to get away from the logic of what I'm about to say, but I can't see a way to do it.
If Rob had zero income playing video poker, and arci had income playing video poker, then arci must have been a better video poker player than Rob.
That would seem to be the obvious conclusion, wouldn't it?
Red, if you refuse to prove you're the person identified in the stuff you're sending, you've proven nothing about yourself---and face it: you're only sending Alan your lunch because I'm beating it out of you. Anyone can be a groupie and collect info over the years on anyone. Wise up.
I like the comment about "no income" on vp Alan. But you goofed again: it was no TAXABLE vp income. You may yet benefit from taking an IRS class.
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Oh, anyone reading the stuff will know it's me, Rob. I don't believe anybody is going to think R.E.Dietz has a groupie with personal material 40 years old. Now if you choose to think otherwise, well, I'm good with that. You are, after all, a quack, and I've never cared about convincing the resident quack of anything. That would be like caring about convincing Uri Geller I can eat with a spoon. (Boy, I really like that last line even though it's dated. Rob's self love must be rubbing off on me.)
And Rob, distributing my material because Rob Singer was "beating it out of" me does not qualify you as my agent. I appreciate the wonderful opportunity to heighten my profile and garner a little adulation (everybody likes adulation, right?), but I am not going to pay you for the way you've heightened interest in who I am. Many thanks and salutations, though. I'm a little concerned people will think you're my sock puppet so I could promote myself, but oh well.
I pay taxes on my business because I have income. Rob paid no taxes on his video poker business. I guess that means my TV advertising business is more successful than his video poker business.
Not sure what sharing 40 year old info is going to do for you. 40 years ago I was living in the UAE working for the US Govt, doing work that's obviously thousands of times more important than whatever gaming activity you purport to have been involved with. Yet I would never include any of it in my "PR Packet"! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Oh, anyone reading the stuff will know it's me, Rob. I don't believe anybody is going to think R.E.Dietz has a groupie with personal material 40 years old. Now if you choose to think otherwise, well, I'm good with that. You are, after all, a quack, and I've never cared about convincing the resident quack of anything. That would be like caring about convincing Uri Geller I can eat with a spoon. (Boy, I really like that last line even though it's dated. Rob's self love must be rubbing off on me.)
And Rob, distributing my material because Rob Singer was "beating it out of" me does not qualify you as my agent. I appreciate the wonderful opportunity to heighten my profile and garner a little adulation (everybody likes adulation, right?), but I am not going to pay you for the way you've heightened interest in who I am. Many thanks and salutations, though. I'm a little concerned people will think you're my sock puppet so I could promote myself, but oh well.
Alan, I thought your purpose here was to impress advertisers so they pour the dollars in. To do that you should radiate a more wordy personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
You pay taxes on your business income because that's your source of income. I paid zero taxes on nearly $100k of vp income for each of ten years because WE paid taxes on my wife's income, foreign investment income, dividend income (I know, mickey got lost at the word "wife") rental income, and several other sources of income. But for the vp income, it was completely written off. And of course, I was never "incomplete" non-stop argumentative and stubborn enuf to have been married and divorced more times than Rocky & Bullwinkle banged Natasha, so I had plenty of time to study, and utilize, a number of IRS loopholes.
Good to know, Rob. But this seems an odd time to switch from claiming all kinds of gaming cred to your military associations. I mean, that comes across as a "gee whiz, maybe this guy outranks me in gambling cred, so I'll show him up with my USGov associations."
Speaking of outranking, my wife was material resource manager at Fort Campbell for quite a few years. Fort Campbell is 100,000 acres, so I suspect whatever association you had with the US Government, she outranked you. If what you did was a thousand times more important than whatever I did, what she did must have been ten thousand times as important.
Maybe we should start a "MilitaryAppreciationTalk" website, as these discussions certainly do not belong here.
Rob`s code words-- WIFE= Twin sister of Sasquatch........IRS LOOPHOLES-Chapter 11 Bankruptcy :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAlan, I thought your purpose here was to impress advertisers so they pour the dollars in. To do that you should radiate a more wordy personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
You pay taxes on your business income because that's your source of income. I paid zero taxes on nearly $100k of vp income for each of ten years because WE paid taxes on my wife's income, foreign investment income, dividend income (I know, mickey got lost at the word "wife") rental income, and several other sources of income. But for the vp income, it was completely written off. And of course, I was never "incomplete" non-stop argumentative and stubborn enuf to have been married and divorced more times than Rocky & Bullwinkle banged Natasha, so I had plenty of time to study, and utilize, a number of IRS loopholes.
That means (drumroll please) you had zero net income. So what was the point of even setting foot in a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now, if you tell me that you wrote off video poker expenses that weren't 100% video poker expenses (i.e., your personal expenses) then it would appear to me that would be tax fraud.
Rob, I like you. I think you have good info and good, worthwhile ideas about video poker and gambling. But when you talk about what you did with your taxes it doesn't make me feel comfortable at all.
To make all those write-offs he would have had a figure on the "other income" line to write off against. It was that line (gambling win) on his returns that Rob didn't want you to see. Most likely because there isn't a figure on that line in any of his tax returns. Rob would have exposed himself had he sent you his returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonThat means (drumroll please) you had zero net income. So what was the point of even setting foot in a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now, if you tell me that you wrote off video poker expenses that weren't 100% video poker expenses (i.e., your personal expenses) then it would appear to me that would be tax fraud.
Rob, I like you. I think you have good info and good, worthwhile ideas about video poker and gambling. But when you talk about what you did with your taxes it doesn't make me feel comfortable at all.
mickey, you're so dumb and uneducated it's sad. There's no line entitled "gambling wins" on schedule C.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmTo make all those write-offs he would have had a figure on the "other income" line to write off against. It was that line (gambling win) on his returns that Rob didn't want you to see. Most likely because there isn't a figure on that line in any of his tax returns. Rob would have exposed himself had he sent you his returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonThat means (drumroll please) you had zero net income. So what was the point of even setting foot in a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now, if you tell me that you wrote off video poker expenses that weren't 100% video poker expenses (i.e., your personal expenses) then it would appear to me that would be tax fraud.
Rob, I like you. I think you have good info and good, worthwhile ideas about video poker and gambling. But when you talk about what you did with your taxes it doesn't make me feel comfortable at all.
I can see why the exes got infuriated with you. Very little sinks in, and you prefer arguing over being willing to do IRS research. I'll just say it again: VP profit was written off yearly and entirely with many different types of everyday directly deductible expenses that you and most gamblers do not know exist. We're they 100% gambling-related expenses? Of course they were. Do you understand and/or agree with it? No, and it's probably because you have no knowledge on the subject....just as I have no knowledge on the world of advertising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonThat means (drumroll please) you had zero net income. So what was the point of even setting foot in a casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now, if you tell me that you wrote off video poker expenses that weren't 100% video poker expenses (i.e., your personal expenses) then it would appear to me that would be tax fraud.
Rob, I like you. I think you have good info and good, worthwhile ideas about video poker and gambling. But when you talk about what you did with your taxes it doesn't make me feel comfortable at all.
Now you have a wife? I thought you said you were an old loser with a "girlfriend"! You mean gambling took the same toll on you as it has Alan??Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I've ended the lives of two people in my US Govt "job", and it wasn't with the military. Doing so saved up to 12 Americans. Now explain exactly how some buyer resides that much higher up on the totem pole.
You seem so worried about your gaming "credentials". What's that really worth in a life littered with social failure?
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerNow you have a wife? I thought you said you were an old loser with a "girlfriend"! You mean gambling took the same toll on you as it has Alan??Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I've ended the lives of two people in my US Govt "job", and it wasn't with the military. Doing so saved up to 12 Americans. Now explain exactly how some buyer resides that much higher up on the totem pole.
You seem so worried about your gaming "credentials". What's that really worth in a life littered with social failure?
Rob, you must be psychic. That's all I can say on the matter. Your ability to take information and draw conclusions is unparalleled.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....Now the International Man of Mystery "ended the lives of two people and saved 12 Americans"....then he came home and filed bankruptcy......LOLOLOLOLOLOL......My God, the Internet is great :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerNow you have a wife? I thought you said you were an old loser with a "girlfriend"! You mean gambling took the same toll on you as it has Alan??Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I've ended the lives of two people in my US Govt "job", and it wasn't with the military. Doing so saved up to 12 Americans. Now explain exactly how some buyer resides that much higher up on the totem pole.
You seem so worried about your gaming "credentials". What's that really worth in a life littered with social failure?
I have it on good authority that the video poker in the UAE is very, very tough, so it's understandable why Rob took extreme measures.
Rob... you claimed you had $100,000 of video poker profits. I believe that. But you also said you had $100,000 of direct video poker deductions. That means your net business profit is ZERO, ZILCH, ZIP, NADA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
So why did you bother going to a casino and be a professional video poker player? To have zero profit?
Now, the only thing I think you might have done was use non-video poker business expenses as write-offs against your video poker net winnings. Is that what you did? And if it's not, did you really have $100,000 of video poker related expenses?
Either way, if you played and gambled and had no net winning, what's the point of calling yourself a professional? In my book a professional makes money. By your own admission, you have ZERO profit.
Alan, what does it take for you to comprehend this? Here's an example year where I filed as a professional gambler.
Let's say my net winnings directly from the machines was $95,000. I think you're aware that schedule C deductions for business are directly deducted from business income. I rented a car 24/7, 365 for almost the entire 10 years. Because I was also a gaming author, writer, and I trained and advised players mostly in Nv. but also in Phx. and around the country, virtually every living expense I had--house, gas, rental cars, insurances, food (including some groceries) etc. were directly deductible.
I went on vacations with my wife. We went out for dinner many times in Az. We had VP players over for BBQ's, swimming, and of course, VP discussions. All of the above were deductible, simply because I associated virtually everything I did for those ten years as being necessary for my business. Even the "vacations"....because we visited vp players for training and/or discussions, and my wife was an advisor TO ME for the purposes of my business. And much of this I would have never known how to do had I not had personal tax help.
So what you're seeing here is someone who "gross profitted" $95k, and had basically the same in deductions---deductions for items that I would have spent anyway in everyday living with or without being involved in a business. In other words, had I not gambled and made $95k, I still would have SPENT $95k, instead having to take it out of my retirement savings like I do right now.
You may now ask about the IRS rule saying a business has to show some kind of profit in order to continue filing as a business operator. However, when you run a business and have the other types of income we had--where plenty of taxes were also paid on--it negates that rule to some degree. This is where I had my most helpful loophole training. Let's just say I know how GE legally pays little to no taxes on billions of dollars of income, year after year.
Like I said, you either prepare for going into being a professional gambler or you don't. And if you're on the outside looking in, you shouldn't be criticizing or dissing that which you really don't know much about. I know you mock my groceries deductions for instance. But it is allowed, and I maxed it out to my best benefit. I was audited a total of four of the ten years, and the net result was they sent me $800 in overpayment refunds.
Now how about some of that Biloxibill's slathering envy :)
Supposedly Rob Stringer purchased an RV (or 2? Or 3?) with his VP winnings....that seems pretty tough to do, given all the winnings were written off.
Rob, you're so dumb and uneducated that your reading comprehension is sadly lacking. I didn't say there was a line called "gambling win." It's the "other income" line where you would have entered your gambling win. Wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singermickey, you're so dumb and uneducated it's sad. There's no line entitled "gambling wins" on schedule C.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmTo make all those write-offs he would have had a figure on the "other income" line to write off against. It was that line (gambling win) on his returns that Rob didn't want you to see. Most likely because there isn't a figure on that line in any of his tax returns. Rob would have exposed himself had he sent you his returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
In short, he was living off his wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Mickey, in Rob's case he did not put his gambling wins on Schedule A on the line called "other income." In his case ALL of his gambling wins and losses appeared only on Schedule C.
Now Rob. This is what troubles me. You wrote about your deductions:
"I went on vacations with my wife. We went out for dinner many times in Az. We had VP players over for BBQ's, swimming, and of course, VP discussions. All of the above were deductible, simply because I associated virtually everything I did for those ten years as being necessary for my business. Even the "vacations"....because we visited vp players for training and/or discussions, and my wife was an advisor TO ME for the purposes of my business. And much of this I would have never known how to do had I not had personal tax help."
These can all be gray areas. And in some cases they are very, very dark gray areas.
Dinners with your wife? A gambling business deduction? Really?
The barbecues with other gamblers where you talk about gambling? A gray area to be sure.
Heck, I'm surprised you didn't have a particular set of clothing including underwear with labels that said "poker clothing" so you could deduct those as "uniforms".
There comes a point of disbelief.
But I will say this: generally the IRS figures that NO gambler turns a profit and you might have gotten by based on that assumption. Because honestly, a $100,000 profit a year is not big. Had you won Megabucks for $12-million in one year it might have been a different story.
These endless conversations about who’s a better gambler than the other, who has more money than the other, all this IRS drivel, etc. etc., is nauseating.
It’s the same group of maybe 10 guys who can’t seem to deal with reality in the slightest way without going immediately into some fantasy bullshit unproven gambling world. Every time I stop in I can’t believe every thread eventually takes off on a rocket into dumb dumb gambling outer space, and always by the same group of people. I’m starting to think the same group of people are the only ones that post here.
Anyone reading these threads would suspect that most of the posters are immature rookie gambling kids. But, I know that most of you are old folks and retired. Are you guys this lonely? Are you this insecure that you have to visit and participate regardless how pathetic the thread or conversation is?
I started this thread about bullshit self-proclaimed AP’s who dodge every challenge that’s reasonable in real time. Just look where you lonely guys took this thread. Ten pages so far of complete foolish, ignorant, meaningless, gambling fantasy bullshit, by the same consistent little group of lonely people.
Do you guys even proof read what you type? That should help you to realize how ridicules you are to even participate in meaningless conversations. It’s like the same group of people instantly just respond with their warped no one cares fantasy thoughts.
The fact that at least since I’ve been a member here this same nonsense has been going on, it becomes obvious that it’s all nothing but meaningless bullshit designed to give some type of relief for old lifetime gamblers having trouble coping with life for as it really became and presently is. So, the only alternate they have is to post fantasy instead of what really is taking place.
It's obvious everyone attacks each other endlessly with no proof of anything (and never will) just trying to justify they some how when it comes to gambling knew how to lose less then the other.
Can you grown men just STOP this nonsense? I would think that anyone stopping by and has the stomach to read some of this shit, must really feel bad for this group.
I laughed. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Yes, BH, its almost as bad as the asinine drivel you post.
Of course bh is right. The majority of the very few posters here are ripe for the pickin'. :) Their lack of gambling savvy, their misguided understanding of casinos and their managers, and how they walk right into the various traps casinos and their hosts toss their way, gives someone like me a plethora of insults to shower them with. The extra history and some of the tools that have made me the ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever, are provided to further irritate this sad collection of social failures.
When these people wise up, I'll be back. Time for another road trip. Maybe redietz' and his (insert huge BELLYLAUGH!!) "PR Packet" that goes back to his failed marriage days, will show up with proof of identity by then. :)
Rob, for the record, my marriage didn't fail per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I figured you'd hit the road right about now. Maybe sling can fill in while you're gone.
Good to know you are the "ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever." I'm not sure what's more impressive, your hubris or your ability to know how every other video poker player has done. Must be all of those MI-6 contacts.
Nothing to fill in as it's all repetition year after year. As BH said- nauseating.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzRob, for the record, my marriage didn't fail per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I figured you'd hit the road right about now. Maybe sling can fill in while you're gone.
Good to know you are the "ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever." I'm not sure what's more impressive, your hubris or your ability to know how every other video poker player has done. Must be all of those MI-6 contacts.
The "APs" (and I include Rob because he does "advantage plays" of a different kind) would be better participants here if they would do less criticizing and shared more of their knowledge.
Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the particular dealer at the particular casino who flashes cards. Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the single video poker machine that in error offers 9/5 BONUS poker.
But sharing knowledge does mean offering something constructive and without the constant insulting.
You know, I offered what I (and American Casino Guide) thought was a good deal -- the two free meals and $4 movie ticket for simply running $100 through Boyd on Wednesdays if you're 50 or over. There's a $2500 drawing at some properties at 4:30 and $500 at the downtown properties. You keep the points. Sometimes they throw in a video poker tournament. The video poker is solid (best at Gold Coast and Main Street). Rob, of course, went into some spiel about my being cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I will write my rundown of how to check football futures numbers at the end of August -- the sequence of which properties to visit so as to survey the numbers properly. Doing this is no benefit to me, obviously, but I'll do it anyway.
To point out some of the thread destroyers with endless bullshit, I made a quick review of this thread.
Alan 40 posts
redietz 34 posts
Coach 34 posts
Rob 29 posts
Mickey 27 posts
Of these 163 posts, maybe 3 of them were on thread heading. All the rest were back and forth tit for tat immature my cock is bigger than yours conversations.
Really guys you need to realize what’s up. No one else around here cares about your cocks.
I'm sorry Blackhole but I somehow missed your positive contribution. Please refresh my memory.
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Originally Posted by blackhole
I think the discussion about the one million hand challenge was on point.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
It obviously wasn't a thread killer.
You`re very mistaken Sir...Coach cares about Rob`s very much:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
It’s very hard to make constructive contributions here. Every time I think I’m about to read an interesting thread where I may have some input, it turns into complete baby bullshit from the same group of babies, leaving a person with good intentions no choice but to ridicule the offenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I’m 64 yrs. old and know many of you are in the same bracket. Why is it you can’t see what smacks most mature people with a little wisdom in the face? Instead, you want to pretend these conversations are the norm.
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Originally Posted by blackhole
This was the whole point of your original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?
Endless back and forth about a stupid bet involving a million hands. Correct me if I’m wrong but that in itself is already in the dumb dumb fantasy outer gambling limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
This was the whole point of your original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?
Everyone argues about EV and odds on that stupid million hand bet like none of you even have a clue about the actual facts. You pros should be able to spit out the facts and close that argument out instantly.
Then we take off to the IRS outer limits. The level of play you pros claim to experience, you would think everyone here has experienced every different opportunity that’s available to reduce tax obligations from gambling winnings by now. Instead, everyone has a different opinion other than actual IRS facts. Just making up shit as you go along.
Based on your above view we might as well bring into this thread every bet ever made on this site and without not one ever taking place. Maybe we could get this thread to a few thousand posts.
Listen, I know the truth hurts and you all have no choice but to try and defend your nonsense as reasonable dialogue. I’m fighting an already lost battle here. All I could hope for is my comments smacked a few of you in the face and helped you realize how foolish you appear, and just maybe you’ll care.
The only thing Belly wants to smack him in the face is Rob`s 3 inch porksicleQuote:
Originally Posted by blackholeEndless back and forth about a stupid bet involving a million hands. Correct me if I’m wrong but that in itself is already in the dumb dumb fantasy outer gambling limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
This was the whole point of your original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?
Everyone argues about EV and odds on that stupid million hand bet like none of you even have a clue about the actual facts. You pros should be able to spit out the facts and close that argument out instantly.
Then we take off to the IRS outer limits. The level of play you pros claim to experience, you would think everyone here has experienced every different opportunity that’s available to reduce tax obligations from gambling winnings by now. Instead, everyone has a different opinion other than actual IRS facts. Just making up shit as you go along.
Based on your above view we might as well bring into this thread every bet ever made on this site and without not one ever taking place. Maybe we could get this thread to a few thousand posts.
Listen, I know the truth hurts and you all have no choice but to try and defend your nonsense as reasonable dialogue. I’m fighting an already lost battle here. All I could hope for is my comments smacked a few of you in the face and helped you realize how foolish you appear, and just maybe you’ll care.
Problem is that sharing knowledge and experiences doesn't seem to be what the members here want. In my short time here in the last week and a few days last summer, it is rather obvious this is a 'conflict' site. Any kind of sharing of experiences and knowledge is met with some sort of challenge to prove what you claim or have said. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I bumped a thread, 'bet what?' from last summer, so I could specifically answer a question from Dan Druff about "how I am able to make a living playing blackjack in post-2000 Vegas". I answered in detail, about identifying and playing within certain levels that are better tolerated by casinos, and focusing on short sessions, to keep your exposure at any one setting short, and keep your wins smaller, so as not to create a problem that anyone has to answer for.
What I got back was a "yeah right. Care to prove your claims?" THAT kind of atmosphere is not going to inspire many AP's to share anything.
People will share what's true. Anything that happens in public is public.
If there is a public offer from a casino why would you keep it a secret when the casino had made it public (Axel's claim about a 150% loss rebate)?
But a dealer flashing cards is not public so that can be kept a secret.
Why would someone (an AP) keep a dealer flashing cards, or a blackjack game dealt to 5.5 of 6 decks a secret, Alan? Because they don't want other AP's to rush in and destroy it. They want to milk it for as long as they can. The same EXACT thing occurs with a casino promo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
These promos aren't designed with the AP in mind, they are designed with the...regular gambler/ploppie in mind. And sometimes those responsible don't consider the consequences of AP's taking "advantage" of the offer/promo until...well they are being hit hard, then they cancel or alter the promo. So why does and AP want to share that with other AP's to destroy prematurely? It may be a public offer that is advertised, but still best to keep it to yourself for as long as possible.
Same thing happens with new games or side bets. The recent "Colorado" play is a perfect example. Nothing secret about that. The casinos advertised it to the public. But they weren't prepared or didn't think it though. So even though nothing secret about it, no AP shares it until they have exhausted it. (that is except for Shackleford...he has a history of destroying AP plays prematurely).
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Originally Posted by kewlJWhy would someone (an AP) keep a dealer flashing cards, or a blackjack game dealt to 5.5 of 6 decks a secret, Alan? Because they don't want other AP's to rush in and destroy it. They want to milk it for as long as they can. The same EXACT thing occurs with a casino promo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
These promos aren't designed with the AP in mind, they are designed with the...regular gambler/ploppie in mind. And sometimes those responsible don't consider the consequences of AP's taking "advantage" of the offer/promo until...well they are being hit hard, then they cancel or alter the promo. So why does and AP want to share that with other AP's to destroy prematurely? It may be a public offer that is advertised, but still best to keep it to yourself for as long as possible.
Same thing happens with new games or side bets. The recent "Colorado" play is a perfect example. Nothing secret about that. The casinos advertised it to the public. But they weren't prepared or didn't think it though. So even though nothing secret about it, no AP shares it until they have exhausted it. (that is except for Shackleford...he has a history of destroying AP plays prematurely).
I'm not an AP, but I can give you an example from the world of sports betting that might be relevant here. The normal "vig" for a sports book on a spread bet is -110. When a book offers a promo, usually for a specific day or a few hours, that drops the edge to -108, -105, or less, that promo is public and usually gets a mention in local tabloids (like Rob's Gaming Today) or the sports section of newspapers. While those public mentions will draw in people and make the promo "public," the effect isn't complete or overwhelming as often times these promos are not mentioned on the casino websites. If it's a regular weekly discount, eventually everyone will find out about it, but if it's new, that'll take awhile to happen.
I would never share those promos with others. The more people who know about it, the more likely any outlier numbers get pounded, and then they would be gone.
Similarly, big Monday night promos were common 20 years ago (not so much now). Circus-Circus, for example, had drawings where your number of tickets was based on your sports bet size. Circus-Circus had some very generous drawings, usually $100 or so for quarters and halftime, plus as much as $500 for the final drawing, plus steakhouse giveaways and such. No big bettors attended the Circus-Circus drawings, so I did. I would never tell anyone about these public promotions or recommend them to others. I walked away with $500 on multiple occasions and a number of generous restaurant comps. Some weeks, only about 30 people were in attendance.
Public promotions only have so much penetration into the market, and often completely miss those who would most advantageously exploit them.
KJ summed it up fairly well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I would like to add a few things. AP's are not just in competition with the casinos, they are also in competition with other AP's(they are competing for the casino's money)
Think of it like a drawing. Let's say you have a 20k drawing and the casinos requirement in order to earn tickets is to hit something in particular.
You as an AP have narrowed down the best things to play( Best things doesn't mean the lowest HA, manny AP's make that mistake, including "the best")
Let's say you have narrowed it down a few games that will earn tickets 100 times faster than any other game in the house at a low cost per ticket.
If there was no competition you could easily have 75% of the drawing tickets at Mabey a cost of $2500 and a few days of work (little or no ploppies are going to play what and how you are playing). Let's say another AP finds out about the drawing. He strolls in and sees what game(s) you are playing. He's on easy street now that hes seen what you are playing and how, all he has to do is find a vacant spot and start compeeting for the money. You just dropped your 12,500 in value down to half that, if he goes for as you have. If you get into a drawing battle with him your value will keep dropping as you lose more and more money to the house trying to earn tickets. Add 2 more APs to the mix and you can see how much money just a few more AP's can cost you, 12k down to 3k. I have seen cases where drawings have went from+EV to -EV after the fact.
In cases where the casino doesn't have a set limit like a drawing, they will cut off a promo/game once they realize they are probably giving out too much money. The more AP's playing it, the faster they give out money, the sooner it ends. If an AP had it all to himself he would get all that money for himself.
I have seen it time and time again, a +EV situation lasts for a long time and suddenly a bunch of APs start showing up and it ends soon after.
There are many situations where one AP couldn't possibly get all the money himself, so sharing the information with a few others will not cost him anything. AP's usually have a good sence what they should and shouldn't share with others outside their group.
[QUOTE=kewlJ;49930]Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one, you kinda walked into that one. It could have been avoided by not calling AxelWolf a Dick. I was not thinking about the fact that this was a new forum to you. You have to admit, under different circumstances, it would have been a nice/funny comeback for the dick comment. I will play nice if you play nice, and don't start in with all that other BS. I will say, you have classed up the joint bit. Happy posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWoW! A new site (for me) that I don't participate on often and there may be some that don't know me and you couldn't wait to announce that I am gay. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you that small of a person? While I respect you as an AP and have learned some useful things from you, YES, you can be and often are....a real dick!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
For those that don't know me....it seems to very important to Axel that you all know my sexual preference...so yes I am a gay man. That in no way defines me. I am never the one that brings it up and I hope it is as irrelevant to you and any discussions we may have as it is to me.
Sorry but any casino offering 150% loss rebates would advertise the hell out of it. They wouldn't want it to be a secret for the APs. The BS meter is flashing red.
Yet, every time an AP does share their knowledge here, you and Rob attack it saying it's not beneficial, any good, or something like, "But I live in LA, I don't live in City X, therefore this means nothing to me." Hell, you don't even think getting a 20% rebate on each individual losing hand on VP is good. It's always the same shit -- you & Rob chime in about "phantom bucks" or whatever else BS you guys think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
A perfect example of this -- Alan (in the other thread) is arguing some bullshit about "the English language", thinking the wording of something is more important than the math or the reality of it.
The one I'm thinking of -- I don't think they're doing it anymore (I just checked their website), but a casino was absolutely doing a 150% loss rebate...although it was for a small amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I'm not going to be goaded into revealing something just to quell your curiosity, prove you wrong or defend myself from you trying to call BS on me. Especially when I have nothing to gain, You are not the only one that has tried that on me, without success. I think you are willing to have egg on your face just to find out the information. If want to put your money where your mouth is, then let's talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I think you have been hanging around with too many people here, people that tell blatant lies just to prove something or try to make themselves look better. I suggest you not confuse or lump me in with those people.
But if you chose to call BS, be willing to put up or shut up.
Others around me IRL know whatever I claim to be true. I don't need to make up shit, I have had enough interesting things happen (good and bad) in gambling and life in general. Yet you think I'm going to make up a 150% loss rebate just to prove you wrong? If I was going to make that shit up I would just say 110%. I don't even think you are wrong when you say, if you lose money and you just get it back in free play then you haven't made any money. But you sound foolish when you are talking about loss rebates. Especially when you don't realize how easy it is to consistently get back at least 85% ++ OR WIN playing your free play. Especially when there are games and way to play you haven't even thought about. That's why you don't put much stock in them.
Mike talked about the Downtown Grand slot Loss rebate. I can tell you how you got back about 5% more than what you lost, actully more, but to be safe ill say 5%. (I may have mention it to Mike, but im not sure if he will rember or if he went for the extra 5%). Yet another example of... you just don't know what you are talking about when it comes to simple AP and its value.
Speaking of BS meters flashing red. 3 things you have said come to mind. All 3 sound much less believable than a 150% LR. 2 of them are conveniently not provable and one is more likely due to a result of hallucinations stemming from medical conditions. The other is provable, but I have a feeling you won't/can't prove it for some reason or another.
1)You lost 20 hands of BJ in a row (the first time you played?)
2)Your Son hit 4 SINGLE LINE Royals in 2 different cities all in one day.... AND still lost.
3)**Drom roll**.... 18 yo's in a row and no one bet it. (they must have killed all the whitnesses but you)
Before I went into the advertising business I was a news reporter with AP, UPI, CBS, CNN and a half dozen TV and radio stations. I wrote for Barron's, I did radio for Bloomberg, I was published in The Columbia Journalism Review and The Washington Journalism Review.
With that said let me give you the facts of life:
No one would give these AP claims the time of day. They'd be put in the same circular file as the predictions for the next sighting of The Loch Ness Monster and the arrival of visitors from Venus.
In short: put up or shut up.
Axel: my son hit FIVE single line royals in less than 24 hours. One at the Gold Strike and four at Caesars. He's a member of this forum. I hope he reads this.
Yes I lost twenty $1 hands of blackjack in a row at the old Sahara. Shit happens.
And yes, I watched a random roller throw 18 elevens in a row at Caesars and not one of the three of us at the table had even one dollar on the yo. Shit happens again.
What claims are you talking about? I dont get what thats suposed to mean. I really dont know who would care much about AP claims other than people interested in gambling or AP. No one? You sure do seem to be interested and giveing it the time of the day. Do you know what I do when im not intersted in somthing? I IGNORE IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What would you like me to put up or shut up about? Tell me what claim im making that you don't believe and I will put up.
I see RS just mention another 150% loss rebate and it was not even the one I was thinking of. I know there had been another place that had one as well, but I cant rember what place it was now so i didnt bother menoning it. I'm willing to bet you regaring the location I was talking about.
Name the casino with the 150% loss rebate.
Axel,Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI'm not going to be goaded into revealing something just to quell your curiosity, prove you wrong or defend myself from you trying to call BS on me. Especially when I have nothing to gain, You are not the only one that has tried that on me, without success. I think you are willing to have egg on your face just to find out the information. If want to put your money where your mouth is, then let's talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I think you have been hanging around with too many people here, people that tell blatant lies just to prove something or try to make themselves look better. I suggest you not confuse or lump me in with those people.
But if you chose to call BS, be willing to put up or shut up.
Others around me IRL know whatever I claim to be true. I don't need to make up shit, I have had enough interesting things happen (good and bad) in gambling and life in general. Yet you think I'm going to make up a 150% loss rebate just to prove you wrong? If I was going to make that shit up I would just say 110%. I don't even think you are wrong when you say, if you lose money and you just get it back in free play then you haven't made any money. But you sound foolish when you are talking about loss rebates. Especially when you don't realize how easy it is to consistently get back at least 85% ++ OR WIN playing your free play. Especially when there are games and way to play you haven't even thought about. That's why you don't put much stock in them.
Mike talked about the Downtown Grand slot Loss rebate. I can tell you how you got back about 5% more than what you lost, actully more, but to be safe ill say 5%. (I may have mention it to Mike, but im not sure if he will rember or if he went for the extra 5%). Yet another example of... you just don't know what you are talking about when it comes to simple AP and its value.
Speaking of BS meters flashing red. 3 things you have said come to mind. All 3 sound much less believable than a 150% LR. 2 of them are conveniently not provable and one is more likely due to a result of hallucinations stemming from medical conditions. The other is provable, but I have a feeling you won't/can't prove it for some reason or another.
1)You lost 20 hands of BJ in a row (the first time you played?)
2)Your Son hit 4 SINGLE LINE Royals in 2 different cities all in one day.... AND still lost.
3)**Drom roll**.... 18 yo's in a row and no one bet it. (they must have killed all the whitnesses but you)
I gotta tell you this one. I hit three single line royals in the span of less than an hour and a half of play (I play slow). I have told this one before, but it's so bad, it bears repeating. It was more than 10 years ago.
The first one, I'm at the Palms, waiting for the sports book to open. They had some promo where if your card was in the machine and you were playing and had earned minimal points or something at 9 AM, you got a free breakfast -- something like that. So I sat and played a quarter at a time waiting for the book to open. It was on the old FPDW progressive bank. So I'm sitting there playing and ka-ching! Royal with one coin. The woman sitting next to me gives me a disgusted look and says, "I'd have rather not hit it." Well, the book is still not open, and I think to myself that hey, life is good, it's okay. She leaves, and I play max coins. In the span of just a few minutes, I hit a max coin royal. Yay!
Later that day, I am putting my football contest entries in at Palace Station. They had the old promo where the jumbo jackpot thing was very close to being hit, and if you had your card in the machine when it hit, you got $50. So I sat down and played, figuring it had to hit in less than an hour. Plus I wanted some drinks while I was playing. Of course, despite hitting the royals earlier, I figured -- hey, I'm not going to hit a third, get real -- so I played (drum roll, please) a quarter at a time.
Yep, I hit a third one. With a quarter in the machine.
Unbelievable. But it happened. To put this in perspective, I routinely bet a couple thousand a game on football. I should have been shot. No, I did not lose for the day. After that debacle, I quit (for the day).
Let's not forget my girlfriend who was DEALT two royals in two days.Sometimes the math guys can't deal with big numbers. Shit happens even when the odds say they won't. Deal with it.
RS, the English language line made me cringe. Writing is not something that just willy nilly happens. It has a grammar and logic and flow chart decision-making at each and every step of the process. Good writing is, in many ways, as tightly constructed as math formulas.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__Yet, every time an AP does share their knowledge here, you and Rob attack it saying it's not beneficial, any good, or something like, "But I live in LA, I don't live in City X, therefore this means nothing to me." Hell, you don't even think getting a 20% rebate on each individual losing hand on VP is good. It's always the same shit -- you & Rob chime in about "phantom bucks" or whatever else BS you guys think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
A perfect example of this -- Alan (in the other thread) is arguing some bullshit about "the English language", thinking the wording of something is more important than the math or the reality of it.
The one I'm thinking of -- I don't think they're doing it anymore (I just checked their website), but a casino was absolutely doing a 150% loss rebate...although it was for a small amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The dice cup "problem" was written to engender a particular response, in this case the "wrong" one, from a majority of people. The writing is not an accident. No writing is an accident, or an afterthought. Writing should be (and in the dice cup example, is) as purposeful as a screenplay. Every line, every camera angle, what follows what and how, these are decisions designed to have effects on an audience.
If the effect of writing is a wrong conclusion for most people, the fault lies in the author, not the reader. If the network coverage of a football game has cameras pointing at weird angles at the sky and the grass and bathroom stalls in the stadium, then not knowing the score of the game is not the fault of the viewers at home.
This inability to appreciate that language is not a set of tools anyone can pretty much pluck from the tool box and use to the same effect is common and recent. It might be a byproduct of communication occurring between niche groups that share some sub-cultural jargon and rely on the jargon too much. It's almost undoubtedly influenced by communication via truncated third-grade phrasing, as occurs with most texts and almost all tweets. Texts and tweets and jargon don't enable communication. They retard it.
Alan, this is a classic example of you attributing things to the math guys (AP's) that just aren't true. Twice I've hit 3 royals is the span of four hours. But to put it in perspective I've also gone a quarter million hands between royals. That's the best and the worst that's happened to me in over 21 years of playing video poker. We're talking multi-millions of hands. The bigger the sample space the more of the extremes you will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Jean Scott, an advantage video poker player was on 60 minutes. I remember Ken Uston being on 60 minutes too. There was a case in Detroit where Greektown Casino banned 9 machine pros. The press picked up the story which created a PR problem for Greektown. Business dropped. They unbanned the players to get the business back. The Don Johnson story got a lot of press. There have been many stories of successful gamblers in the national press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Michael Konik was the gambling writer for Cigar Afficianado Magazine. He has two books, The Man With The Hundred Thousand Dollar Breasts, and Telling Lies And Getting Paid, that have stories of successful gamblers in them. The two books are collections of his Cigar Afficianado articles.
How much are you putting up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
EDIT: And it was actually more than 150%, in case this ever gets to fruition, so you can't claim some "that's not 150%, that's MORE than 150%, I'm right!!" BS like you normally do.
Is he the guy with the wonky username with many lower and uppercase characters, like fLiPnJaKc or something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Anyway, was he playing the same denomination through out the day? Or was it like he hit the supposed 5 royals on 25c denom and lost the rest of it on $5 denom (or something like that) The 5 royals in a day is marginally believable.....but losing after those 5 royals is absolutely not believable, at least considering who's talking.
Mickey when 60 Minutes interviews knowing gamblers it wasn't because they gave responses like I just saw from RS.
When I asked him to name the casino he asked how much I was going to put up. Meanwhile he also said he checked the casino's website to see if the offer was on again.
Does this make you laugh as much as I laughed?
RS is certainly one of the BSers here.
Axel also fails to come up with a name.
By the way, before I asked for the name of the casino offering a 150% loss rebate I did my own web search. I couldn't find one mention in more than five pages of Google search results of casino and gambling forum websites.
Sometimes when public events are this hard to find on the Internet it's because they never happened.
Prove me wrong. Give the name of the casino so I can call to verify this public event. I will start with the casino's marketing department. I'm sure they'd love to discuss that fantastic 150% loss rebate promotion they had.
1. I lost 21 consecutive hands of BJ at the Riviera many years ago. I had walked up to the table with one red chip, bought in for $100, and lost 21 straight. This was 35-40 years ago, but I will never forget. I also had a female dealer that was hot for me at the Riv and she was intentionally flashing cards and when peaking for BJ, she was signaling me. I was too much of a rookie to really take advantage of the flashing, but I did get to take advantage of her after her shift.
2. I went 11 years without a Royal at a time when I played pretty heavily. Now that I play randomly for an hour or 2 every month or so, I seem to constantly get royals.
Shit does happen.
As I wrote on WOV all the royals came on $1 games and after hitting he moved up to $5:and $10 VP and lost it. He started over -- hitting another $1 royal then losing it at higher denominations.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__How much are you putting up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
EDIT: And it was actually more than 150%, in case this ever gets to fruition, so you can't claim some "that's not 150%, that's MORE than 150%, I'm right!!" BS like you normally do.
Is he the guy with the wonky username with many lower and uppercase characters, like fLiPnJaKc or something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Anyway, was he playing the same denomination through out the day? Or was it like he hit the supposed 5 royals on 25c denom and lost the rest of it on $5 denom (or something like that) The 5 royals in a day is marginally believable.....but losing after those 5 royals is absolutely not believable, at least considering who's talking.
Yes he regretted what he did but he was going for the big win. That was his plan. In hindsight it didn't work.
Several times I've hit $5 royals and then lost most or all of it at higher denominations. I'm not going to deny it.
I'm glad to prove you wrong. Let me know how much you'd like to pay. From your perspective, this seems fairly simple -- a chance to prove all the APs wrong because we're claiming something happened even though it (supposedly) never happened. I hate basketball, but this sounds like a slam dunk for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Gotcha, fair enough. I don't think I actually saw when you wrote what happened, other than the 5 royals + loss for the day. Going up in denom (causing the loss) is more believable. Had the timing been a bit better for him, he could'a walked out with $500K+, assuming he would have kept going up and hit a royal on $5 or $10, then another on $25, and one on $100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Again RS writes "let me know how much you'd like to pay."
RS I will pay you exactly what I think your information is worth: nothing.