What Does Everyone Think About the 2020 Presidential Candidates

Establishment republicans have never been about cutting government spending. Federal budgets have grown every year no matter if it's a lefty or right president. But here's the bullshit game the left plays. They propose a ten percent increase in a departmental budget over the previous year. Repubs say no, that's to much, we can go along with 5% but not 10%. The headline in the mainstream media is:

REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

No, idiot. They want to curtail the growth in government spending. But that's the bullshit propaganda games the left plays.

I believe ONE Obama statistic defines what the democrats are and have always been about:

During the Obama administration, the US ACCUMULATED MORE DEBT THAN ALL PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED.

That is a powerful fact, and one that, whenever it's brought up to Obama in his interviews, he immediately changes the subject in a very nervous manner. He knows he should be ashamed of such an achievement....all while everywhere but Fox News gives him a free pass on it.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...eryV9-nnhb.jpg Really?

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Establishment republicans have never been about cutting government spending. Federal budgets have grown every year no matter if it's a lefty or right president. But here's the bullshit game the left plays. They propose a ten percent increase in a departmental budget over the previous year. Repubs say no, that's to much, we can go along with 5% but not 10%. The headline in the mainstream media is:

REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

No, idiot. They want to curtail the growth in government spending. But that's the bullshit propaganda games the left plays.

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I thought it was a core platform point that Republicans want to cut government spending. You make it sound like the headline is misleading. Where is the bullshit or propaganda? I believe it is propaganda to say that liberals want to spend money. Trump wants to spend more on the military. It is just a matter of where people want to spend the $$.

You act like he is the only one concerned about the future. Well, most of the world was realized global warming is not some bullshit made up by "leftists". It is a serious problem (the most serious) that will continue to get worse having catastrophic issues. (Want to talk about immigration issues we have now, just wait.....) Yet, Trump actively tries to fuck up what little efforts are being made to mitigate that. Pure evil. This holier than thou shit about who cares more doesn't really resonate with me.

I could make another argument about inflation and what expectations are, but that'd mean I'd need to research all this to figure out exactly what you're discussing and CLEARLY that isn't worth the effort.

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http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...eryV9-nnhb.jpg Really?

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Apples to apples please. He accumulated $9trillion sling. You're using Mother Jones' numbers as a personal escape. Next you're gonna say our incredible economy should be credited to Obama and not the greatest president this country has ever had: Donald Trump.

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http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...eryV9-nnhb.jpg Really?

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Apples to apples please. He accumulated $9trillion sling. You're using Mother Jones' numbers as a personal escape. Next you're gonna say our incredible economy should be credited to Obama and not the greatest president this country has ever had: Donald Trump.

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Not giving credit to anyone. Just sick of the acussations like pics of Obama kissing a man as well as those against Trump. I have to fact check every piece of news and it's disgusting that so much bs is being forced on those too lazy to care to check.

That's the day and age we're in.

You mean Obama isn't queer??

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That's the day and age we're in.

You mean Obama isn't queer??

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As far as I know-no. But he has nowhere near the number of women Trump has had to prove it.:rolleyes:

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That's the day and age we're in.

You mean Obama isn't queer??

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As far as I know-no. But he has nowhere near the number of women Trump has had to prove it.:rolleyes:

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It's an easy why. Trump is charming, wealthy, and he looks like a man. Obama looks like a cross between a gay Muslim and an Ugandan tribal witch doctor.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I believe ONE Obama statistic defines what the democrats are and have always been about:

During the Obama administration, the US ACCUMULATED MORE DEBT THAN ALL PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED.

That is a powerful fact, and one that, whenever it's brought up to Obama in his interviews, he immediately changes the subject in a very nervous manner. He knows he should be ashamed of such an achievement....all while everywhere but Fox News gives him a free pass on it.

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Obama was just cleaning up from the Great Recession Bush got us into.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#3424855c1917

Whatever happened to global cooling, acid rain, ozone hole, overpopulation, ect. ect.?

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Whatever happened to global cooling, acid rain, ozone hole, overpopulation, ect. ect.?

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I can still remember a Time magazine (when they were still relevant) cover from the 70's where scientists were predicting the next ice age.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I believe ONE Obama statistic defines what the democrats are and have always been about:

During the Obama administration, the US ACCUMULATED MORE DEBT THAN ALL PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED.

That is a powerful fact, and one that, whenever it's brought up to Obama in his interviews, he immediately changes the subject in a very nervous manner. He knows he should be ashamed of such an achievement....all while everywhere but Fox News gives him a free pass on it.

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Obama was just cleaning up from the Great Recession Bush got us into.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#3424855c1917

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Please don't forget that Bush's last two years had democratic majorities in both houses. Also, some believe that the community reinvestment act (CRA) was a major contributor to the housing bubble and subsequent crash. The CRA was enacted under Carter in 1977 and then had legislative changes in the 90's under Clinton. That and a push for deregulation by Clinton and Bush 41 contributed to the Great Recession.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Establishment republicans have never been about cutting government spending. Federal budgets have grown every year no matter if it's a lefty or right president. But here's the bullshit game the left plays. They propose a ten percent increase in a departmental budget over the previous year. Repubs say no, that's to much, we can go along with 5% but not 10%. The headline in the mainstream media is:

REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

No, idiot. They want to curtail the growth in government spending. But that's the bullshit propaganda games the left plays.

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I thought it was a core platform point that Republicans want to cut government spending. You make it sound like the headline is misleading. Where is the bullshit or propaganda? I believe it is propaganda to say that liberals want to spend money. Trump wants to spend more on the military. It is just a matter of where people want to spend the $$.

You act like he is the only one concerned about the future. Well, most of the world was realized global warming is not some bullshit made up by "leftists". It is a serious problem (the most serious) that will continue to get worse having catastrophic issues. (Want to talk about immigration issues we have now, just wait.....) Yet, Trump actively tries to fuck up what little efforts are being made to mitigate that. Pure evil. This holier than thou shit about who cares more doesn't really resonate with me.

I could make another argument about inflation and what expectations are, but that'd mean I'd need to research all this to figure out exactly what you're discussing and CLEARLY that isn't worth the effort.

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Here, I'll do the math for you, numnuts. The Dems propose 10% growth in a departments budget from the previous year, the repubs only want to go 5%. Whether the department gets 10% or just 5% the budget will be larger (growth) than the previous year. But the Dems use that scenario to accuse the repubs of wanting to cut spending. But nothing is going to be cut from the previous years budget. It's actually going to grow, either 5% or 10% depeding on who gets their way. It's that 5% difference the Dems are calling "Cutting Spending." Its called LYING WITH STATISTICS!

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Whatever happened to global cooling, acid rain, ozone hole, overpopulation, ect. ect.?

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I can still remember a Time magazine (when they were still relevant) cover from the 70's where scientists were predicting the next ice age.

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Danny, Ice Ages are cyclic and I read that they occur on a 100,000 year cycle. So, I suppose the scientists are right in the long term. It (the temperature) will be Atlas shrugging compared to whatever warming man is responsible for (if any) over the long haul when the next Ice Age starts to exert itself.

Climate change, global warming, blah blah blah. It's ALL cyclical and man has little to nothing to do with it. Imagine India and China discussing this stupid subject.

However, In a few short hours we get to watch the liberal morons on CNN, MSNBC, and the Networks all once again get their hearts broken, their hopes go up in flames one more glorious time, and their concocted conspiracy theories get thoroughly debunked yet again!

It's like the gift that never stops giving. I never thought I'd have more enjoyment watching TV the night Trump got elected over that corrupt witch with the pervert husband. But I was wrong! Just watching the extraordinary PAIN and tears on the faces of the anti-Trump liars after the Mueller Report sent them all into a disbelieving tailspin, was another dream come true. Now we get to see that scene all over again.

Does it get any better than this? Oh Wait! Yes!!----That'll be the night Trump gets RE-ELECTED! in the meantime, we can watch that bumbling collection of lazy old men, clowns, queers, and just some very strange fools try to out-socialist one another.

Enjoy!!!! And enjoy your 401k's everybody.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Climate change, global warming, blah blah blah. It's ALL cyclical and man has little to nothing to do with it. Imagine India and China discussing this stupid subject.

However, In a few short hours we get to watch the liberal morons on CNN, MSNBC, and the Networks all once again get their hearts broken, their hopes go up in flames one more glorious time, and their concocted conspiracy theories get thoroughly debunked yet again!

It's like the gift that never stops giving. I never thought I'd have more enjoyment watching TV the night Trump got elected over that corrupt witch with the pervert husband. But I was wrong! Just watching the extraordinary PAIN and tears on the faces of the anti-Trump liars after the Mueller Report sent them all into a disbelieving tailspin, was another dream come true. Now we get to see that scene all over again.

Does it get any better than this? Oh Wait! Yes!!----That'll be the night Trump gets RE-ELECTED! in the meantime, we can watch that bumbling collection of lazy old men, clowns, queers, and just some very strange fools try to out-socialist one another.

Enjoy!!!! And enjoy your 401k's everybody.

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I never bought the narrative that the Russians wanted Trump over Hillary after they dumped 120 Million into the Clinton Foundation to buy her influence. And Putin played her like a top over the Uranium 1 deal. I think the Russki's were just as shocked as everyone else that Trump won. They thought Hillary would win. What they were really doing was trying to sow discord into American politics. They want us bitchfighting each other.

Just look at what Trump has done to the Russians since he took office. The stronger American economy is not in the Russian's best interests. Trump giving the greenlight to ANWR, Keystone and Dakota Access did not help Russia's position in the world oil market. Trump bombed Syria after Putin warned him not to. Trump lambasted Angela Merkel for working towards a natural gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. Told her what idiots the Germans were for that. This caused the Germans to rethink it. Do you think Putin is happy about that? Trump has placed by far much stronger sanctions on the Russians than Clinton/Bush/Obama. Did that make Putin happy? Trump demanded that NATO countries finally pay up the money they owe for defense and thats led to a much stronger NATO. Do you think that made Putin happy?

Hillary would not have done any of the above except maybe bomb Syria. So in 2020 do you really think the Russians want more of Trump?

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Establishment republicans have never been about cutting government spending. Federal budgets have grown every year no matter if it's a lefty or right president. But here's the bullshit game the left plays. They propose a ten percent increase in a departmental budget over the previous year. Repubs say no, that's to much, we can go along with 5% but not 10%. The headline in the mainstream media is:

REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

No, idiot. They want to curtail the growth in government spending. But that's the bullshit propaganda games the left plays.

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I thought it was a core platform point that Republicans want to cut government spending. You make it sound like the headline is misleading. Where is the bullshit or propaganda? I believe it is propaganda to say that liberals want to spend money. Trump wants to spend more on the military. It is just a matter of where people want to spend the $$.

You act like he is the only one concerned about the future. Well, most of the world was realized global warming is not some bullshit made up by "leftists". It is a serious problem (the most serious) that will continue to get worse having catastrophic issues. (Want to talk about immigration issues we have now, just wait.....) Yet, Trump actively tries to fuck up what little efforts are being made to mitigate that. Pure evil. This holier than thou shit about who cares more doesn't really resonate with me.

I could make another argument about inflation and what expectations are, but that'd mean I'd need to research all this to figure out exactly what you're discussing and CLEARLY that isn't worth the effort.

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Here, I'll do the math for you, numnuts. The Dems propose 10% growth in a departments budget from the previous year, the repubs only want to go 5%. Whether the department gets 10% or just 5% the budget will be larger (growth) than the previous year. But the Dems use that scenario to accuse the repubs of wanting to cut spending. But nothing is going to be cut from the previous years budget. It's actually going to grow, either 5% or 10% depeding on who gets their way. It's that 5% difference the Dems are calling "Cutting Spending." Its called LYING WITH STATISTICS!

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I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing like you are, but I can assure you I can do "the math" and everything else you are conveying. I only wish it was reciprocal. Anyway, still a fan Micky - you curmudgeon.

In the grand scheme of things, I still don't get how this is an important point. EVERYONE knows Republicans want to cut spending. Am I wrong? Is it even propaganda?

I don't understand the vagaries of federal budgets. I do know US government prints money and thus devalues it every year. You could increase the $ amount, yet still shrink the budget. It makes this whole discussion kinda pointless to me. If you're holding this up as your big example of the mainstream media's propaganda "Republicans want to cut government spending" then you've likely missed the bus many times in your life.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Climate change, global warming, blah blah blah. It's ALL cyclical and man has little to nothing to do with it. Imagine India and China discussing this stupid subject.

However, In a few short hours we get to watch the liberal morons on CNN, MSNBC, and the Networks all once again get their hearts broken, their hopes go up in flames one more glorious time, and their concocted conspiracy theories get thoroughly debunked yet again!

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Climate change, global warming, blah blah blah. It's ALL cyclical and man has little to nothing to do with it. Imagine India and China discussing this stupid subject.

However, In a few short hours we get to watch the liberal morons on CNN, MSNBC, and the Networks all once again get their hearts broken, their hopes go up in flames one more glorious time, and their concocted conspiracy theories get thoroughly debunked yet again!

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

No other explanation for "accountingquestion's" irritability and straw-grabbing than he had his sensitive little heart broken in a big way today by a mumbling, fumbling, ineffective old man who seemingly had no idea what was in the report he supposedly wrote.

Today's hearing was just another great big gift to America. These irrelevant snitty little libtards who troll the internet with democrat lies, make it the gift that never stops.

Hahahahahahaha!!!

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I thought it was a core platform point that Republicans want to cut government spending. You make it sound like the headline is misleading. Where is the bullshit or propaganda? I believe it is propaganda to say that liberals want to spend money. Trump wants to spend more on the military. It is just a matter of where people want to spend the $$.

You act like he is the only one concerned about the future. Well, most of the world was realized global warming is not some bullshit made up by "leftists". It is a serious problem (the most serious) that will continue to get worse having catastrophic issues. (Want to talk about immigration issues we have now, just wait.....) Yet, Trump actively tries to fuck up what little efforts are being made to mitigate that. Pure evil. This holier than thou shit about who cares more doesn't really resonate with me.

I could make another argument about inflation and what expectations are, but that'd mean I'd need to research all this to figure out exactly what you're discussing and CLEARLY that isn't worth the effort.

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Here, I'll do the math for you, numnuts. The Dems propose 10% growth in a departments budget from the previous year, the repubs only want to go 5%. Whether the department gets 10% or just 5% the budget will be larger (growth) than the previous year. But the Dems use that scenario to accuse the repubs of wanting to cut spending. But nothing is going to be cut from the previous years budget. It's actually going to grow, either 5% or 10% depeding on who gets their way. It's that 5% difference the Dems are calling "Cutting Spending." Its called LYING WITH STATISTICS!

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I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing like you are, but I can assure you I can do "the math" and everything else you are conveying. I only wish it was reciprocal. Anyway, still a fan Micky - you curmudgeon.

In the grand scheme of things, I still don't get how this is an important point. EVERYONE knows Republicans want to cut spending. Am I wrong? Is it even propaganda?

I don't understand the vagaries of federal budgets. I do know US government prints money and thus devalues it every year. You could increase the $ amount, yet still shrink the budget. It makes this whole discussion kinda pointless to me. If you're holding this up as your big example of the mainstream media's propaganda "Republicans want to cut government spending" then you've likely missed the bus many times in your life.

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I make one point and you think I'm holding it up as the big example. Idiot. My big point is to much socialism is not good for the country. The biggest long term threat this country faces is the far left. They've got all the schoolkids brainwashed. Twenty years down the road those same kids are gonna be bitching about how hard they have to work and how much taxes they have to pay. Look at the European welfare states. No upward mobility. If you're born on the bottom you stay on the bottom. That's what the Yellow Vests are all about.

The resident libtards over at WoV are all ecstatic over Mueller's testimony today. They think Mueller nailed Trump. Somebody should tell those braindead idiots to read some reviews of his testimony. Even democrats are saying Mueller's testimony was a trainwreck that's backfired on democrats.

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The resident libtards over at WoV are all ecstatic over Mueller's testimony today. They think Mueller nailed Trump. Somebody should tell those braindead idiots to read some reviews of his testimony. Even democrats are saying Mueller's testimony was a trainwreck that's backfired on democrats.

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Not surprising Mickey. People are going to believe what they want to be true. Those on the left that have glommed onto the “Trump not exonerated by Mueller” meme don’t understand American jurisprudence.
It was very painful to watch today though, and I even at times felt myself having sympathy for Mueller. But then I snapped out of it and reminded myself that he kept this charade going waaay to long, as in he should have been wrapped up before the midterm elections. The house might not have flipped.

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No other explanation for "accountingquestion's" irritability and straw-grabbing than he had his sensitive little heart broken in a big way today by a mumbling, fumbling, ineffective old man who seemingly had no idea what was in the report he supposedly wrote.

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I hate to admit it, but that is how Mueller came across to me. It is time for Congress to do its job and impeach the SOB. I said it before and will say it again. We don't need anymore old men running the country. We need somebody young and full of energy.

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Here, I'll do the math for you, numnuts. The Dems propose 10% growth in a departments budget from the previous year, the repubs only want to go 5%. Whether the department gets 10% or just 5% the budget will be larger (growth) than the previous year. But the Dems use that scenario to accuse the repubs of wanting to cut spending. But nothing is going to be cut from the previous years budget. It's actually going to grow, either 5% or 10% depeding on who gets their way. It's that 5% difference the Dems are calling "Cutting Spending." Its called LYING WITH STATISTICS!

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I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing like you are, but I can assure you I can do "the math" and everything else you are conveying. I only wish it was reciprocal. Anyway, still a fan Micky - you curmudgeon.

In the grand scheme of things, I still don't get how this is an important point. EVERYONE knows Republicans want to cut spending. Am I wrong? Is it even propaganda?

I don't understand the vagaries of federal budgets. I do know US government prints money and thus devalues it every year. You could increase the $ amount, yet still shrink the budget. It makes this whole discussion kinda pointless to me. If you're holding this up as your big example of the mainstream media's propaganda "Republicans want to cut government spending" then you've likely missed the bus many times in your life.

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I make one point and you think I'm holding it up as the big example. Idiot. My big point is to much socialism is not good for the country. The biggest long term threat this country faces is the far left. They've got all the schoolkids brainwashed. Twenty years down the road those same kids are gonna be bitching about how hard they have to work and how much taxes they have to pay. Look at the European welfare states. No upward mobility. If you're born on the bottom you stay on the bottom. That's what the Yellow Vests are all about.

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Mickey, you're completely wrong on this. There are entire fields of research devoted to social mobility. It's an established, well-researched science. The US is "inelastic," as they call it, compared to peer countries in terms of social mobility. The UK and Italy are worse than the US; almost everyone else -- Canada, Japan, Denmark, Spain, Germany, Australia, Finland, New Zealand -- are all better than the US.

When it comes to multi-generational mobility, measuring how many generations it takes for a family to reach average per capita, the US scores better, but it is still dead in the middle of the western world.

The US is actually poor compared to other western democracies when it comes to social mobility. And social mobility overall, in all western countries combined, has stalled since the 1990's. It's not improving.

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I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing like you are, but I can assure you I can do "the math" and everything else you are conveying. I only wish it was reciprocal. Anyway, still a fan Micky - you curmudgeon.

In the grand scheme of things, I still don't get how this is an important point. EVERYONE knows Republicans want to cut spending. Am I wrong? Is it even propaganda?

I don't understand the vagaries of federal budgets. I do know US government prints money and thus devalues it every year. You could increase the $ amount, yet still shrink the budget. It makes this whole discussion kinda pointless to me. If you're holding this up as your big example of the mainstream media's propaganda "Republicans want to cut government spending" then you've likely missed the bus many times in your life.

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I make one point and you think I'm holding it up as the big example. Idiot. My big point is to much socialism is not good for the country. The biggest long term threat this country faces is the far left. They've got all the schoolkids brainwashed. Twenty years down the road those same kids are gonna be bitching about how hard they have to work and how much taxes they have to pay. Look at the European welfare states. No upward mobility. If you're born on the bottom you stay on the bottom. That's what the Yellow Vests are all about.

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Mickey, you're completely wrong on this. There are entire fields of research devoted to social mobility. It's an established, well-researched science. The US is "inelastic," as they call it, compared to peer countries in terms of social mobility. The UK and Italy are worse than the US; almost everyone else -- Canada, Japan, Denmark, Spain, Germany, Australia, Finland, New Zealand -- are all better than the US.

When it comes to multi-generational mobility, measuring how many generations it takes for a family to reach average per capita, the US scores better, but it is still dead in the middle of the western world.

The US is actually poor compared to other western democracies when it comes to social mobility. And social mobility overall, in all western countries combined, has stalled since the 1990's. It's not improving.

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That's some great socialist propaganda you got there, redietz. To bad I ain't buying it. What do you think the Yellow Vest's opinion of your supposition would be?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

No other explanation for "accountingquestion's" irritability and straw-grabbing than he had his sensitive little heart broken in a big way today by a mumbling, fumbling, ineffective old man who seemingly had no idea what was in the report he supposedly wrote.

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I hate to admit it, but that is how Mueller came across to me. It is time for Congress to do its job and impeach the SOB. I said it before and will say it again. We don't need anymore old men running the country. We need somebody young and full of energy.

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Impeach him on the grounds you dont like him? Because that's all you got. What I really detest is you lefties attempting to negate my fucking vote. Fuck you, bitch, for trying to do that. I'm ready to knock heads over it.

Redietz, I see you've joined right in with the libtard baboons in the Trump threads at WoV. You fit right in. Babs is digging it for sure. Great post by Steverinos? You may think Mueller can hide behind his military service but I don't. It's no frickin' excuse for his reprehensible behavior. Marines all over the country are disgusted with him for trying to frame the POTUS. Mueller is a piece of shit.

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I make one point and you think I'm holding it up as the big example. Idiot. My big point is to much socialism is not good for the country. The biggest long term threat this country faces is the far left. They've got all the schoolkids brainwashed. Twenty years down the road those same kids are gonna be bitching about how hard they have to work and how much taxes they have to pay. Look at the European welfare states. No upward mobility. If you're born on the bottom you stay on the bottom. That's what the Yellow Vests are all about.

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Mickey, you're completely wrong on this. There are entire fields of research devoted to social mobility. It's an established, well-researched science. The US is "inelastic," as they call it, compared to peer countries in terms of social mobility. The UK and Italy are worse than the US; almost everyone else -- Canada, Japan, Denmark, Spain, Germany, Australia, Finland, New Zealand -- are all better than the US.

When it comes to multi-generational mobility, measuring how many generations it takes for a family to reach average per capita, the US scores better, but it is still dead in the middle of the western world.

The US is actually poor compared to other western democracies when it comes to social mobility. And social mobility overall, in all western countries combined, has stalled since the 1990's. It's not improving.

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That's some great socialist propaganda you got there, redietz. To bad I ain't buying it. What do you think the Yellow Vest's opinion of your supposition would be?

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Not really a supposition, mickey. Certainly not MY supposition.

Do your own research, mickey. You have library access. You can either decide hundreds of researchers writing thousands of papers over decades know their subject matter better than you know the subject matter, or you can decide you know the subject matter better than they do. That's for you to decide. Nobody's asking you to buy anything. The question is, when you google the material or read the journals, are you going to be able to change your mind? I don't care if you do or you don't. I just pointed out, as a friend, that you're wrong about something. If you want to continue to believe that your personal gathering of anecdotal information and reading outweighs the hundreds of professional researchers, that's your decision. It's my job, as your friend and someone who respects you, to point out that you are wrong. If you prefer to think you're correct, so be it. I did my job.

I gave the same argument for years to Alan Mendelson. Either the math professionals knew their stuff, or he did. Two plus two and all that.

Here we go, for those wanting to dip a toe into the research. It's worth repeating that the UK does worse in social mobility than the US:

https://www.epi.org/publication/usa-...ries-mobility/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ed-since-1990s

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...mobility-index

My late wife had a doctorate in anthropology and a doctorate in demography. Demographers study this (among many other things) from a historical perspective and in the present.

As usual, I suggest nobody mistake me for an expert, in this case a social mobility expert. Dial up your local university and consult a professional sociologist or demographer if you want to learn about social mobility reality and myths. They can point you to better current readings and data.

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No other explanation for "accountingquestion's" irritability and straw-grabbing than he had his sensitive little heart broken in a big way today by a mumbling, fumbling, ineffective old man who seemingly had no idea what was in the report he supposedly wrote.

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I hate to admit it, but that is how Mueller came across to me. It is time for Congress to do its job and impeach the SOB. I said it before and will say it again. We don't need anymore old men running the country. We need somebody young and full of energy.

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Impeach him on the grounds you dont like him? Because that's all you got. What I really detest is you lefties attempting to negate my fucking vote. Fuck you, bitch, for trying to do that. I'm ready to knock heads over it.

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When you have a president who's done extraordinary things with our booming economy, who's obliterated unemployment more than anyone in the last 50 years, who's helped millions of minorities get back to work, who presides over the largest number of people working in our country's history, and who has grown the stock market to enormous and almost unbelievable heights--thereby adding trillions of dollars of wealth to American's personal accounts--it's delusional to make believe such a talented and truly amazing person will not get re-elected in 2020....thereby continuing to drive his nutjob critics straight up that never ending wall.

Face it libs--fight Trump and you will not sleep at night. Ignore his achievements and risk missing out on celebrating your unique privilege of having been alive during this incredible man's leadership years. And believe conspiracy theorist Rachel Maddow and find yourself as disturbed and constantly defeated as she is.

Enjoy the many, many wins delivered to us during these amazing Trump years!

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I hate to admit it, but that is how Mueller came across to me. It is time for Congress to do its job and impeach the SOB. I said it before and will say it again. We don't need anymore old men running the country. We need somebody young and full of energy.

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Impeach him on the grounds you dont like him? Because that's all you got. What I really detest is you lefties attempting to negate my fucking vote. Fuck you, bitch, for trying to do that. I'm ready to knock heads over it.

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When you have a president who's done extraordinary things with our booming economy, who's obliterated unemployment more than anyone in the last 50 years, who's helped millions of minorities get back to work, who presides over the largest number of people working in our country's history, and who has grown the stock market to enormous and almost unbelievable heights--thereby adding trillions of dollars of wealth to American's personal accounts--it's delusional to make believe such a talented and truly amazing person will not get re-elected in 2020....thereby continuing to drive his nutjob critics straight up that never ending wall.

Face it libs--fight Trump and you will not sleep at night. Ignore his achievements and risk missing out on celebrating your unique privilege of having been alive during this incredible man's leadership years. And believe conspiracy theorist Rachel Maddow and find yourself as disturbed and constantly defeated as she is.

Enjoy the many, many wins delivered to us during these amazing Trump years!

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To all those victims Trump derangement syndrome I say , sorry for you but you have to accept the fact that your life is better in spite of your hate. Like it or not you're coming along for the ride!

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Climate change, global warming, blah blah blah. It's ALL cyclical and man has little to nothing to do with it. Imagine India and China discussing this stupid subject.

However, In a few short hours we get to watch the liberal morons on CNN, MSNBC, and the Networks all once again get their hearts broken, their hopes go up in flames one more glorious time, and their concocted conspiracy theories get thoroughly debunked yet again!

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Liberals get confused when they say "climate change deniers" (remember when these weirdos called it "global warming deniers"?:)). I believe everyone agrees there is constant climate change occurring. What people don't agree on is how much is due to being "caused by MN an". There's plenty of scientific proof going both ways in this. As usual, the sensible arguments always favor the ones who don't believe man has much to do with it.

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Liberals get confused when they say "climate change deniers" (remember when these weirdos called it "global warming deniers"?:)). I believe everyone agrees there is constant climate change occurring. What people don't agree on is how much is due to being "caused by man". There's plenty of scientific proof going both ways in this. As usual, the sensible arguments always favor the ones who don't believe man has much to do with it.

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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You didn't answer my question. A record hot or cold temp. is always being broken somewhere which is why they're called records. What's new about that?

I never said anything about a "cycle" weather wise. Who in their right mind would say that climate locally or globally doesn't change?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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You didn't answer my question. A record hot or cold temp. is always being broken somewhere which is why they're called records. What's new about that?

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The rate of the records being changed. Sorry it isn't obvious. I could go dig up some study but you'd say it was liberal propaganda or some shit. So just do a simple google search.. I guess they're all in on it. <eyeroll>

We've had records going back many many decades now. Records shouldn't be changing that often.

THey have been talking about global warming for decades now. Everything has been playing out like expected. This is not some random nature cycle. (it was renamed climate change simply because it is not consistenly warming up every spot on the Earth and that kept being coughed up as counter-evidence.) It is global warming.

I don't see global warming as a political thing. Stupid people just can't get over their biases and see what is plainly obvious.

To say Trump is looking out for the future is a bit misleading. He's just pandering to fools and feeble-minded types.
Humankind and most organisms will pay the price when things start to get really out of whack. Right now it is just beginning to start. Of course, this issue will never help Trump become elected and thats what his narcissism craves. He wants to be a winner and not a loser like he sees you guys.

I'm not even against the tariff stuff, I just don't think consumers should pay higher taxes on their products, then have it turned around and redistributed to farmers. No one is guaranteed the job by the government. In this regard, i'm actually more conservative than you guys who agree with eveerything in this paragraph.

I'm not against some of the immigration stuff. I just think Trump is awful as far as a leader. He's racist, that is not deniable. It was the first racist statement he made that made me decide there is no fucking way he should be President and I've stood behind that.

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I never said anything about a "cycle" weather wise. Who in their right mind would say that climate locally or globally doesn't change?

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Rob Singer did, then I responded and you responded. You seemed to agree with him, so why would I think otherwise?

I have not a clue what sort of asinine misdirecting argument you're even trying to make here.

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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You didn't answer my question. A record hot or cold temp. is always being broken somewhere which is why they're called records. What's new about that?

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The rate of the records being changed. Sorry it isn't obvious. I could go dig up some study but you'd say it was liberal propaganda or some shit. So just do a simple google search.. I guess they're all in on it. <eyeroll>

We've had records going back many many decades now. Records shouldn't be changing that often.

THey have been talking about global warming for decades now. Everything has been playing out like expected. This is not some random nature cycle. (it was renamed climate change simply because it is not consistenly warming up every spot on the Earth and that kept being coughed up at evidence.) It is global warming.

I don't see global warming as a political thing. Stupid people just can't get over their biases and see what is plainly obvious.

To say Trump is looking out for the future is a bit misleading. He's just pandering to fools and feeble-minded types.
Humankind and most organisms will pay the price when things start to get really out of whack. Right now it is just beginning to start. Of course, this issue will never help Trump become elected and thats what his narcissism craves. He wants to be a winner and not a loser like he sees you guys.

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For every record someone like you would bring up, the other side could bring up 3 that disprove them. The weirdo liberals (and if you want proof of that, just compare the mature, attractive, intelligent, intellectual guests and hosts on Fox News to the collection of googly-eyed lunatic men, gross and ugly women, queers, blather-mouthed minorities, and unsure-of-themselves hosts on CNN and MSNBC who pretend to be "alarmed" over this make-believe "man-made crisis").

Libtards screw up just about everything they touch. And you people wonder why Trump wins so much, and why he has so many staunch supporters that drive dems crazy? Just look at the Special Counsel fiasco we went thru for several years, culminating in that pathetic display yesterday. The democrats even made a sham out of that--they couldn't even do THAT right. Mueller said he had no idea about the political beliefs of his team--that's not "how I chose them". I agree. But it wasn't him that chose them, it was his top dog Weiss-whatever--a Hillary lover and donor and Trump hater--who assembled only all clones of himself in an attempt to follow thru on that "insurance policy" Stzrok and Page said they wanted. BUT EVEN THEY WEREN'T CAPABLE OF BRINGING THIS GREAT PRESIDENT DOWN!

Hopefully Barr looks into this "team" too as he continues to get to the corrupt bottom of the Democrat-fueled Russian interference frenzy. They will all eventually pay. And it was entirely all orchestrated by dirty Obama.

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Weather is "cyclical" obviously. Yea, we have something called seasons and so forth. That doesn't mean everything is cyclical. Stupid logic fallacy. You can look at the graphs and look at the amount of literature from past 20-30 years telling us what was going to happen is happening. I really wish I was wrong.

You really truly are a stupid man. Micky I can respect, his hustle, his posts. He's clever. You on the other hand...

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What's happening that hasn't been happening right along?

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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Mickey, you're completely wrong on this. There are entire fields of research devoted to social mobility. It's an established, well-researched science. The US is "inelastic," as they call it, compared to peer countries in terms of social mobility. The UK and Italy are worse than the US; almost everyone else -- Canada, Japan, Denmark, Spain, Germany, Australia, Finland, New Zealand -- are all better than the US.

When it comes to multi-generational mobility, measuring how many generations it takes for a family to reach average per capita, the US scores better, but it is still dead in the middle of the western world.

The US is actually poor compared to other western democracies when it comes to social mobility. And social mobility overall, in all western countries combined, has stalled since the 1990's. It's not improving.

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That's some great socialist propaganda you got there, redietz. To bad I ain't buying it. What do you think the Yellow Vest's opinion of your supposition would be?

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Not really a supposition, mickey. Certainly not MY supposition.

Do your own research, mickey. You have library access. You can either decide hundreds of researchers writing thousands of papers over decades know their subject matter better than you know the subject matter, or you can decide you know the subject matter better than they do. That's for you to decide. Nobody's asking you to buy anything. The question is, when you google the material or read the journals, are you going to be able to change your mind? I don't care if you do or you don't. I just pointed out, as a friend, that you're wrong about something. If you want to continue to believe that your personal gathering of anecdotal information and reading outweighs the hundreds of professional researchers, that's your decision. It's my job, as your friend and someone who respects you, to point out that you are wrong. If you prefer to think you're correct, so be it. I did my job.

I gave the same argument for years to Alan Mendelson. Either the math professionals knew their stuff, or he did. Two plus two and all that.

Here we go, for those wanting to dip a toe into the research. It's worth repeating that the UK does worse in social mobility than the US:

https://www.epi.org/publication/usa-...ries-mobility/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ed-since-1990s

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...mobility-index

My late wife had a doctorate in anthropology and a doctorate in demography. Demographers study this (among many other things) from a historical perspective and in the present.

As usual, I suggest nobody mistake me for an expert, in this case a social mobility expert. Dial up your local university and consult a professional sociologist or demographer if you want to learn about social mobility reality and myths. They can point you to better current readings and data.

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Yep. Lots of upward mobility in countries that average just 1% growth per year. You betcha.

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Trump is the hardest working President we've ever had. Wise up.

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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To this day, I've never met a climate change advocate who does not have a heavy political bias.

This is fun! In yet ANOTHER example of the wimpy liberals being completely infuriated, the Supreme Court scored a direct hit for Trump tonight by allowing funding for the wall from the Pentagon.

The queer-infested ACLU invested heavily in trying to thwart a completely reasonable presidential policy for this. I can't express how much satisfaction I'm experiencing over how many snowflakes will go home to their parent's basements tonight, smoke weed, and hope they can discover some type of weirdo-laced reasoning for why nature just isn't on their sissified side.

Does it get any better than this??:)

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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Non-sense. Go to places where it is actually starting to impact people. There is no advocacy here, there is just accepted scientific consensus.

You guys just believe what you want to believe, it is clearly obvious. I on the other hand would be happy to be shown something different. I've had this discussion countless times with wingnuts. Always bullshit yet they'll swear up and down it is some leftist conspiracy. Yea, across multiple decades, multiple countries, multiple disciplines. They're all fake scientists. Just like fake news. YEA THATS THE TICKET. <headslap>

I know the oil companies did a number on people for the past few decades, but the record is beyond clear.

BTW Mickey, those farmers are now getting paid more than before the tarriffs. Socialism at its finest.

Read some other news that just doesn't pander to what you want to hear, but it is obvious you don't want to be challenged. You want everyone and yourself to believe you're some kinda a moderate. That means you'd be open to logical thought etc. Clearly not the case.

Still a fan though !

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The funny thing is, you guys can fall back on the cyclic argument to make yourselves feel better. If something is going up, it is just part of a cycle. If it is going down, thats just part of the cycle.

To this day, I've never met a climate change denier who does not have a heavy political bias.

I will tell you what has changed. Google "heat records broken" and you'll see how we're constantly breaking heat records. I had numerous hits that were literally less than an hour old. I didn't go cherry pick anything either. I hope you can see how breaking all time high records consistently is not part of a "cycle".

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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I am referring to Eccentricity (http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/imag...d-the-ice-ages) which is defined as the change in the degree of ellipticalness of the earths orbit around the sun. It greatly affects glaciation, is global and has a period of 100,000 years or so. I never denied anything about the climate one way or the other with regard to man's influence on it, but you like to use strawmen. I just wrote that in the longer term, these cycles will overcome man's influence if there has been one. Long term cycles will also affect climate to the warm side of the spectrum as well and would be similar to what happened during the Eocene era (very warm period in earth's climate history). Man may or may not be around when these heavier factors get involved in impacting the climate.

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Even if climate change is caused by man in the near term, it will eventually get dwarfed out of existence when Atlas shrugs. Which is to say, when the earth gets to the meatier part of the Ice Age cycle, the earth will cool no matter what man has done (or not done).

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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I am referring to Eccentricity (http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/imag...d-the-ice-ages) which is defined as the change in the degree of ellipticalness of the earths orbit around the sun. It greatly affects glaciation, is global and has a period of 100,000 years or so. I never denied anything about the climate one way or the other with regard to man's influence on it, but you like to use strawmen. I just wrote that in the longer term, these cycles will overcome man's influence if there has been one. Long term cycles will also affect climate to the warm side of the spectrum as well and would be similar to what happened during the Eocene era (very warm period in earth's climate history). Man may or may not be around when these heavier factors get involved in impacting the climate.

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So something on a 100,000 year period is the important stuff, yet you tell me I like to use strawmen? okey dokey.

You are right though, you didn't deny man-made global warming. You found some other psychological trick to tell yourself you're on the right side of the debate.

I am not going to go study this, but common sense tells me you are wrong. Global warming will continue until we've basically burned up all the oil/gas we can pull out of the Earth. Then there are other sources of the greenhouse gasses. Not sure why you think that something that apparently has happened many times over the course of Earth based life will not be dwarved by what we're doing currently.

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https://www.latimes.com/environment/...ns-assumptions

These ice-ages you talk about were localized and not global. (Is that what you're talking about?) Not only that, the warming trend has been shown to be global and unlike any "cycle" we've ever seen. You guys need to get over your political biases. If you don't want to give a fuck, just don't give a fuck, but don't lie to yourselves with ridiculous denial.

I came across the link on FB. Made me think of you guys.

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I am referring to Eccentricity (http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/imag...d-the-ice-ages) which is defined as the change in the degree of ellipticalness of the earths orbit around the sun. It greatly affects glaciation, is global and has a period of 100,000 years or so. I never denied anything about the climate one way or the other with regard to man's influence on it, but you like to use strawmen. I just wrote that in the longer term, these cycles will overcome man's influence if there has been one. Long term cycles will also affect climate to the warm side of the spectrum as well and would be similar to what happened during the Eocene era (very warm period in earth's climate history). Man may or may not be around when these heavier factors get involved in impacting the climate.

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So something on a 100,000 year period is the important stuff, yet you tell me I like to use strawmen? okey dokey.

You are right though, you didn't deny man-made global warming. You found some other psychological trick to tell yourself you're on the right side of the debate.

I am not going to go study this, but common sense tells me you are wrong. Global warming will continue until we've basically burned up all the oil/gas we can pull out of the Earth. Then there are other sources of the greenhouse gasses. Not sure why you think that something that apparently has happened many times over the course of Earth based life will not be dwarved by what we're doing currently.

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The earth will cool into another Ice Age eventually - whether humans are on the planet or not.

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You need to get over YOUR political biases.

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To paraphrase:

To this day, I've never met a climate change advocate who does not have a heavy political bias.

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Non-sense. Go to places where it is actually starting to impact people. There is no advocacy here, there is just accepted scientific consensus.

You guys just believe what you want to believe, it is clearly obvious. I on the other hand would be happy to be shown something different. I've had this discussion countless times with wingnuts. Always bullshit yet they'll swear up and down it is some leftist conspiracy. Yea, across multiple decades, multiple countries, multiple disciplines. They're all fake scientists. Just like fake news. YEA THATS THE TICKET. <headslap>

I know the oil companies did a number on people for the past few decades, but the record is beyond clear.

BTW Mickey, those farmers are now getting paid more than before the tarriffs. Socialism at its finest.

Read some other news that just doesn't pander to what you want to hear, but it is obvious you don't want to be challenged. You want everyone and yourself to believe you're some kinda a moderate. That means you'd be open to logical thought etc. Clearly not the case.

Still a fan though !

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The projection in your post is blatant. You are the one calling la la land bullshit logical. BTW, the only thing missing from the Dem debate last night was the Cuban National Anthem. And a recent study determined the green new deal will cost each American 60K per year in perpetuity.

Should there be some congressional action on guns after this weekend's shootings in El Paso and Dayton? But first we need to make that moron Beto O'Dork disappear from public life.

I'm obviously a gun owner and I now have ten of them--all handguns. I'd never buy an assault rifle because nobody outside of law enforcement and the military needs one. I'd have no problem if they were outlawed and had to be turned in for buyback. I'd like to see a mandatory 10 year sentence for any normal citizen caught with one after the warning period is over.

And why is it OK for mental cases or online racial or any other type hate mongers to have the right to buy guns? What is wrong with better, more comprehensive universal background checks on guns sold anywhere? Yes I know the inner city punks and thugs will continue getting their weapons illegally. But keep in mind, most of those are used to kill each other. No crying over spilled milk there.

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Should there be some congressional action on guns after this weekend's shootings in El Paso and Dayton? But first we need to make that moron Beto O'Dork disappear from public life.

I'm obviously a gun owner and I now have ten of them--all handguns. I'd never buy an assault rifle because nobody outside of law enforcement and the military needs one. I'd have no problem if they were outlawed and had to be turned in for buyback. I'd like to see a mandatory 10 year sentence for any normal citizen caught with one after the warning period is over.

And why is it OK for mental cases or online racial or any other type hate mongers to have the right to buy guns? What is wrong with better, more comprehensive universal background checks on guns sold anywhere? Yes I know the inner city punks and thugs will continue getting their weapons illegally. But keep in mind, most of those are used to kill each other. No crying over spilled milk there.

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So your joining the ranks of the other useless eaters that are willing to undermine the very foundation this country was built on because a few people are dead at the hands of some whackos. Big deal 250 were killed this year in "mass shootings", most of which were gang disagreements by the way. Yet 35K were killed in car accidents, 750K lives were lost in abortions, and 100's of thousands were killed by doctors and hospitals. Hunting doesn't work out to well with a pistol. Assault rifles, full auto, are already very restricted and primarily reserved for use by the military and law enforcement.

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And why is it OK for mental cases or online racial or any other type hate mongers to have the right to buy guns?

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Nobody has the right to buy anything. Any business can refuse you service. Just ask Zenking!

The latest Harvard/Harris poll is showing 63% of blacks and 61% of latinos are opposed to illegal immigration. This is understandable as the illegals pour into the poorer communities competing for jobs, causing lower wages, and housing, causing higher housing costs.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Should there be some congressional action on guns after this weekend's shootings in El Paso and Dayton? But first we need to make that moron Beto O'Dork disappear from public life.

I'm obviously a gun owner and I now have ten of them--all handguns. I'd never buy an assault rifle because nobody outside of law enforcement and the military needs one. I'd have no problem if they were outlawed and had to be turned in for buyback. I'd like to see a mandatory 10 year sentence for any normal citizen caught with one after the warning period is over.

And why is it OK for mental cases or online racial or any other type hate mongers to have the right to buy guns? What is wrong with better, more comprehensive universal background checks on guns sold anywhere? Yes I know the inner city punks and thugs will continue getting their weapons illegally. But keep in mind, most of those are used to kill each other. No crying over spilled milk there.

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Wow you are far more left than me.

So funny. I guess you really aren't really conservative at all, you just worship Trump? Because he is a "winner" and you see yourself as part of that team?

I in no way would ever wish government bureaucracy to have so much power. Lol mental health/belief checks to be passed to buy a gun. I've had rightwing friends who I thought I agreed with on a lot, but then I started to realize so many of them are more like you then what I expect out of conservatives.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

The latest Harvard/Harris poll is showing 63% of blacks and 61% of latinos are opposed to illegal immigration. This is understandable as the illegals pour into the poorer communities competing for jobs, causing lower wages, and housing, causing higher housing costs.

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How fucking confused are you? Not that many people are blindly for illegal immigration. Mostly liberals just feel sorry for the people who are caught up in it and realize how hard they work and aren't bad people. They're also more fact driven. As a Trump supporter, I bet you have no clue that illegals commit fewer crimes than citizens? So deporting them doesn't seem like it'd lower the crime "rate", in fact it'd just raise it by simple math.

This poll says nothing and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who actually tries to understand.

Most liberals are also smart enough to not want a stupid wall around the country for many many reasons I won't bother to enumerate.

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To paraphrase:

To this day, I've never met a climate change advocate who does not have a heavy political bias.

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Non-sense. Go to places where it is actually starting to impact people. There is no advocacy here, there is just accepted scientific consensus.

You guys just believe what you want to believe, it is clearly obvious. I on the other hand would be happy to be shown something different. I've had this discussion countless times with wingnuts. Always bullshit yet they'll swear up and down it is some leftist conspiracy. Yea, across multiple decades, multiple countries, multiple disciplines. They're all fake scientists. Just like fake news. YEA THATS THE TICKET. <headslap>

I know the oil companies did a number on people for the past few decades, but the record is beyond clear.

BTW Mickey, those farmers are now getting paid more than before the tarriffs. Socialism at its finest.

Read some other news that just doesn't pander to what you want to hear, but it is obvious you don't want to be challenged. You want everyone and yourself to believe you're some kinda a moderate. That means you'd be open to logical thought etc. Clearly not the case.

Still a fan though !

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The projection in your post is blatant. You are the one calling la la land bullshit logical. BTW, the only thing missing from the Dem debate last night was the Cuban National Anthem. And a recent study determined the green new deal will cost each American 60K per year in perpetuity.

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You really think I'm the one who is projecting? You think climate change is bullshit and I'm listening to "fake news" and projecting that ? Is that what you're trying to say?

OOOKKEEEY DOKEY

No clue about Dem debate. Didn't watch it. Are you also some secret hidden leftist like Rob Singer?

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Non-sense. Go to places where it is actually starting to impact people. There is no advocacy here, there is just accepted scientific consensus.

You guys just believe what you want to believe, it is clearly obvious. I on the other hand would be happy to be shown something different. I've had this discussion countless times with wingnuts. Always bullshit yet they'll swear up and down it is some leftist conspiracy. Yea, across multiple decades, multiple countries, multiple disciplines. They're all fake scientists. Just like fake news. YEA THATS THE TICKET. <headslap>

I know the oil companies did a number on people for the past few decades, but the record is beyond clear.

BTW Mickey, those farmers are now getting paid more than before the tarriffs. Socialism at its finest.

Read some other news that just doesn't pander to what you want to hear, but it is obvious you don't want to be challenged. You want everyone and yourself to believe you're some kinda a moderate. That means you'd be open to logical thought etc. Clearly not the case.

Still a fan though !

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The projection in your post is blatant. You are the one calling la la land bullshit logical. BTW, the only thing missing from the Dem debate last night was the Cuban National Anthem. And a recent study determined the green new deal will cost each American 60K per year in perpetuity.

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You really think I'm the one who is projecting? You think climate change is bullshit and I'm listening to "fake news" and projecting that ? Is that what you're trying to say?

OOOKKEEEY DOKEY

No clue about Dem debate. Didn't watch it. Are you also some secret hidden leftist like Rob Singer?

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I will gladly pay you $1000 to show a quote where I said climate change is bullshit. You're a typical libtard. Just make shit up about people.

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The projection in your post is blatant. You are the one calling la la land bullshit logical. BTW, the only thing missing from the Dem debate last night was the Cuban National Anthem. And a recent study determined the green new deal will cost each American 60K per year in perpetuity.

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You really think I'm the one who is projecting? You think climate change is bullshit and I'm listening to "fake news" and projecting that ? Is that what you're trying to say?

OOOKKEEEY DOKEY

No clue about Dem debate. Didn't watch it. Are you also some secret hidden leftist like Rob Singer?

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I will gladly pay you $1000 to show a quote where I said climate change is bullshit. You're a typical libtard. Just make shit up about people.

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I assumed thats what you meant when you said I believe in la la land bullshit. What were you referencing if not my belief that global warming is not a "hoax" ? Or are you one of those guys have some "yea I believe it BUT it isn't man made... " or some other silly variant of denial.

Annnnd you conveniently ducked my question about how am I "projecting"? You say I make stuff up, but you're a fool if you don't see it in yourself. It was a pretty simply question, which you simply ignored.

Two of the ICE raids in Mississippi were in Scott County where I'm from. You like those cooked chickens you see in the super markets? They might be from Scott County. A lot of chickens grown and processed there. When I was a kid there wasn't a mexican in the county. Now the population is 11% Mexican because of the chicken processing plants exploiting illegal labor.

Libtards screamed racism over the raids. But here is what really happened. Scott County is about 40% black. Those chicken plant jobs were traditionally held by blacks. The company involved, Koch Foods, used illegal labor, the Mexicans, to drive wages down. So the blacks of Scott County had to deal with unnatural competition for the jobs, depressed wages, and higher housing costs because of the influx of illegals into the county.

Now Koch Foods is scrambling to get new employees. They will have to raise wages to do so. No one in the country is more happier about the ICE raids in Scott County than the black citizens of Scott County.

It's this type of stuff that libtards don't get about how they harm minorities.

PS: I support the prosecution of companies that pull this kind of stuff.

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Two of the ICE raids in Mississippi were in Scott County where I'm from. You like those cooked chickens you see in the super markets? They might be from Scott County. A lot of chickens grown and processed there. When I was a kid there wasn't a mexican in the county. Now the population is 11% Mexican because of the chicken processing plants exploiting illegal labor.

Libtards screamed racism over the raids. But here is what really happened. Scott County is about 40% black. Those chicken plant jobs were traditionally held by blacks. The company involved, Koch Foods, used illegal labor, the Mexicans, to drive wages down. So the blacks of Scott County had to deal with unnatural competition for the jobs, depressed wages, and higher housing costs because of the influx of illegals into the county.

Now Koch Foods is scrambling to get new employees. They will have to raise wages to do so. No one in the country is more happier about the ICE raids in Scott County than the black citizens of Scott County.

It's this type of stuff that libtards don't get about how they harm minorities.

PS: I support the prosecution of companies that pull this kind of stuff.

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That is interesting. I'd like to see that job market. Have you ever run a business and had to hire people, Micky? Ever done anything like that? It isn't so easy in all job markets. Sometimes impossible.

Funny.. Mexicans were "exploited" in capitalistic system, but supposedly there are blacks wanting those jobs. Listening to you, Mexican's aren't minorities, but blacks are. Silly belief, but you gotta go with that stuff to make your point. I get it.

Once again, you avoided any direction question and spouted off quasi-nonsense.

That being said, I hope there are people waiting around wanting to work in that area like you said. I'm not even sure Liberals are all that against illegal immigration. THey're against the racist speech used by Trump.

You hear about that dude who hospitalized [airlifted he was in such bad shape] a 13 year old boy for slamming him to the ground because he didn't remove his had during the Pledge of Allegiance? Trump's speech has consequences all over. It is his speech that Liberals have the most problem with, and how these people are are treated when detained.

When a kid is orphaned, Trump poses with the kid and a big thumbs up and plastic ear to ear grin. It is that sort of shit that makes people despise the President. His behavior. His demonizing of minorities and so forth. If you deny that, then you're clearly not paying attention or don't want to accept reality for what it is.

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Two of the ICE raids in Mississippi were in Scott County where I'm from. You like those cooked chickens you see in the super markets? They might be from Scott County. A lot of chickens grown and processed there. When I was a kid there wasn't a mexican in the county. Now the population is 11% Mexican because of the chicken processing plants exploiting illegal labor.

Libtards screamed racism over the raids. But here is what really happened. Scott County is about 40% black. Those chicken plant jobs were traditionally held by blacks. The company involved, Koch Foods, used illegal labor, the Mexicans, to drive wages down. So the blacks of Scott County had to deal with unnatural competition for the jobs, depressed wages, and higher housing costs because of the influx of illegals into the county.

Now Koch Foods is scrambling to get new employees. They will have to raise wages to do so. No one in the country is more happier about the ICE raids in Scott County than the black citizens of Scott County.

It's this type of stuff that libtards don't get about how they harm minorities.

PS: I support the prosecution of companies that pull this kind of stuff.

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That is interesting. I'd like to see that job market. Have you ever run a business and had to hire people, Micky? Ever done anything like that? It isn't so easy in all job markets. Sometimes impossible.

Funny.. Mexicans were "exploited" in capitalistic system, but supposedly there are blacks wanting those jobs. Listening to you, Mexican's aren't minorities, but blacks are. Silly belief, but you gotta go with that stuff to make your point. I get it.

Once again, you avoided any direction question and spouted off quasi-nonsense.

That being said, I hope there are people waiting around wanting to work in that area like you said. I'm not even sure Liberals are all that against illegal immigration. THey're against the racist speech used by Trump.

You hear about that dude who hospitalized [airlifted he was in such bad shape] a 13 year old boy for slamming him to the ground because he didn't remove his had during the Pledge of Allegiance? Trump's speech has consequences all over. It is his speech that Liberals have the most problem with, and how these people are are treated when detained.

When a kid is orphaned, Trump poses with the kid and a big thumbs up and plastic ear to ear grin. It is that sort of shit that makes people despise the President. His behavior. His demonizing of minorities and so forth. If you deny that, then you're clearly not paying attention or don't want to accept reality for what it is.

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You just refuse to acknowledge how elite liberal policy harms American workers on the lower end of the wage scale. You are new around here. Other people here know my background because I never hid it from anyone. I was a drifter and a day laborer before my gambling career.

I've seen the going rate for construction labor go from $8 an hour down to $6 when the illegal labor found the market. The $16 a day difference was huge to low wage workers. I've seen wages being the same as they were 20 years prior because the illegals found the market. I've stood on work corners watching employer's pull up and request workers in Spanish. It's a dead giveaway they aren't interested in American workers whether white, black or Mexican American. It's not just the cheaper wages the illegals work for. Do you think illegals will report hazardous working conditions to OSHA? If illegals get screwed on their pay do you think they will report it to the Department of Labor?

I mentioned the recent Harvard/Harris poll that showed over 60% of Mexican-Americans were opposed to illegal immigration. That wasn't news to me. I knew it 30 years ago because I worked with Mexican-Americans. They complained about the illegals just as much as I did.

Elite liberals like yourself just don't get it. Your policies harm American workers on the low end of the wage scale. No amount of your ignorant blather will change that.

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Two of the ICE raids in Mississippi were in Scott County where I'm from. You like those cooked chickens you see in the super markets? They might be from Scott County. A lot of chickens grown and processed there. When I was a kid there wasn't a mexican in the county. Now the population is 11% Mexican because of the chicken processing plants exploiting illegal labor.

Libtards screamed racism over the raids. But here is what really happened. Scott County is about 40% black. Those chicken plant jobs were traditionally held by blacks. The company involved, Koch Foods, used illegal labor, the Mexicans, to drive wages down. So the blacks of Scott County had to deal with unnatural competition for the jobs, depressed wages, and higher housing costs because of the influx of illegals into the county.

Now Koch Foods is scrambling to get new employees. They will have to raise wages to do so. No one in the country is more happier about the ICE raids in Scott County than the black citizens of Scott County.

It's this type of stuff that libtards don't get about how they harm minorities.

PS: I support the prosecution of companies that pull this kind of stuff.

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That is interesting. I'd like to see that job market. Have you ever run a business and had to hire people, Micky? Ever done anything like that? It isn't so easy in all job markets. Sometimes impossible.

Funny.. Mexicans were "exploited" in capitalistic system, but supposedly there are blacks wanting those jobs. Listening to you, Mexican's aren't minorities, but blacks are. Silly belief, but you gotta go with that stuff to make your point. I get it.

Once again, you avoided any direction question and spouted off quasi-nonsense.

That being said, I hope there are people waiting around wanting to work in that area like you said. I'm not even sure Liberals are all that against illegal immigration. THey're against the racist speech used by Trump.

You hear about that dude who hospitalized [airlifted he was in such bad shape] a 13 year old boy for slamming him to the ground because he didn't remove his had during the Pledge of Allegiance? Trump's speech has consequences all over. It is his speech that Liberals have the most problem with, and how these people are are treated when detained.

When a kid is orphaned, Trump poses with the kid and a big thumbs up and plastic ear to ear grin. It is that sort of shit that makes people despise the President. His behavior. His demonizing of minorities and so forth. If you deny that, then you're clearly not paying attention or don't want to accept reality for what it is.

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You just refuse to acknowledge how elite liberal policy harms American workers on the lower end of the wage scale. You are new around here. Other people here know my background because I never hid it from anyone. I was a drifter and a day laborer before my gambling career.

I've seen the going rate for construction labor go from $8 an hour down to $6 when the illegal labor found the market. The $16 a day difference was huge to low wage workers. I've seen wages being the same as they were 20 years prior because the illegals found the market. I've stood on work corners watching employer's pull up and request workers in Spanish. It's a dead giveaway they aren't interested in American workers whether white, black or Mexican American. It's not just the cheaper wages the illegals work for. Do you think illegals will report hazardous working conditions to OSHA? If illegals get screwed on their pay do you think they will report it to the Department of Labor?

I mentioned the recent Harvard/Harris poll that showed over 60% of Mexican-Americans were opposed to illegal immigration. That wasn't news to me. I knew it 30 years ago because I worked with Mexican-Americans. They complained about the illegals just as much as I did.

Elite liberals like yourself just don't get it. Your policies harm American workers on the low end of the wage scale. No amount of your ignorant blather will change that.

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I really don't disagree with anything said here. It isn't that people deny the above truth, it is the way the President goes around it. Build a wall, build a wall! Simplistic jingoism. Then the racist talk.

I was dating a girl a bit younger than me.. eh 20ish years. She was born in Mexico then her mother brought her over here when she was less than 1 year old. Her mother then paid for all of her education after saving up and she went to college. She was a 'dreamer'. IMO she is 99% as American as you because she has spent little time in Mexico. Yet she has to worry about being deported, and do sneaky stuff, almost like APs. Someone did her a favor in some state office which allowed other ID that hides the fact she isn't 'legal'. I don't know the details.

All of that because of Trump and his crap. Deported to a country she isn't even familiar with and has very little contact with because the rest of her family is in the States.

Face it, Trump has no sort of principles on any level. Like Scaramucci says, he sees everyone as a transaction. (Is that guy a nazi socialist fascist now that he is loling talking about how he really feels regarding Trump?) If Trump had just stood with basic immigration enforcement, but it is all this shit about a wall. Lets fix our infrastructure and so forth instead of the stupid wall. It doesn't take much to climb over a wall. Geez what a moronic thing.

We had similar issues in the tech sector. Now maybe bringing in cheap tech labor keeps companies over here stateside to some extent. Nothing is obvious. I do know that all those tech visas lowered the salaries for American IT people. It wasn't even illegal immigration. Same shit though. I figure there might be some need for those visas, as we want American companies to be competitive, but it ended up screwing guys like me (if I were looking for a job.. ;)