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Doctors poll on hydroxychloroquine:
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By SARAH OWERMOHLE
04/02/2020 07:08 PM EDT
Updated: 04/02/2020 09:49 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ugs-fda-162411Quote:
It is not clear whether remdesivir or other potential therapies are effective against the coronavirus. The data for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine is limited and mixed. Small early studies out of France have been questioned because of how scientists analyzed their results — and the lead researcher’s history of manipulating data. One subsequent Chinese study found no benefit at all, while another, posted online this week but not peer-reviewed, suggests that hydroxychloroquine speeds recovery in patients with mild symptoms.
Science isn't a popularity contest, even among doctors.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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It wasn't a popularity vote. Going negative is easy. I'll take the doctors opinions over yours. Science isn't a political contest either. Tell that to dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRScience isn't a popularity contest, even among doctors.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
What you're doing isn't politics, anymore. It's a virus' dream come true.Quote:
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You seem to be getting tongue-tied.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRWhat you're doing isn't politics, anymore. It's a virus' dream come true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
There is more than just healthcare to consider. There is also the economy and constitutional freedoms. But you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time to figure that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRWhat you're doing isn't politics, anymore. It's a virus' dream come true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Ha. There's also a worst way to go about something. The old lose-lose.
Anyway. I have to wonder about all this Chloroquine stuff, this late in the game. That also those doctors with "opinions" aren't dropping like flies. You'd think that one of them on his deadbed would have had a doctor friend to stick some chloroquine in his mouth.
It's good that this regimen was given emergency approval along with wide-spread media visibility - this will put a lot of social pressure on doctors to stop hoarding all the available inventory for themselves.
Well, for the "purists" here, I was playing around some more with these numbers of letters of the alphabet. It appears that things go together in sequence with the numbers of the letters of 6, 6 ---> f.u.; 9, 9, 11 ---> r.i.p; 11, 0 ---> k.o.; and 0, 11 ---> o.k; back to 11, 9, 9 ---> r.i.p.; and 6, 6 ---> f.u.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou seem to be getting tongue-tied.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRWhat you're doing isn't politics, anymore. It's a virus' dream come true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
In other words, "F.u., r.i.p." "K.o.!" "O.k.?" "R.i.p, f.u." The corresponding numbers 6,6.....9,9.....11,11.....0, 0.....11,11.....9,9.....6, 6 ---> 6, 9, 1, 0 , 1, 9, 6 ---> 6, 9, 1, 1 - 1, 1, 9, 6 ---> 197 = -1 + 14^2 ---> 1 + 14^(1 + 1) ---> 11411, that number, from before, which relates to the gravitational fine-structure constant. Amazing.
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Originally Posted by LMRWell, for the "purists" here, I was playing around some more with these numbers of letters of the alphabet. It appears that things go together in sequence with the numbers of the letters of 6, 6 ---> f.u.; 9, 9, 11 ---> r.i.p; 11, 0 ---> k.o.; and 0, 11 ---> o.k; back to 11, 9, 9 ---> r.i.p.; and 6, 6 ---> f.u.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou seem to be getting tongue-tied.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMR
In other words, "F.u., r.i.p." "K.o.!" "O.k.?" "R.i.p, f.u." The corresponding numbers 6,6.....9,9.....11,11.....0, 0.....11,11.....9,9.....6, 6 ---> 6, 9, 1, 0 , 1, 9, 6 ---> 6, 9, 1, 1 - 1, 1, 9, 6 ---> 197 = -1 + 14^2 ---> 1 + 14^(1 + 1) ---> 11411, that number, from before, which relates to the gravitational fine-structure constant. Amazing.
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April 3, 2020 8.40am EDT Updated April 3, 2020 10.10am EDT
A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus.
http://theconversation.com/a-small-t...navirus-135484
Chloroquine isn’t a miracle cure. A tiny amount can poison you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...toxic-malaria/
I'm only suicidal in the morning.
Is the doctor in the conversation spouting a popular opinion? Remember, its not a popularity contest. Chloroquine has been around since the fifties treating other diseases relatively safely.Quote:
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So you are in with MDawg too? I thought so. Now go get your shine box.Quote:
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No, I meant only that, as with calling me a "knew jerk Liberal", and, then, calling yourself "jumping the gun" on the Nevada Governor or whoever, that, maybe, it's you who have these problems you accuse others of.
Yeah, well in the end, if I'm wrong I'll admit it. But if I'm right no way in hell will you admit you were wrong. Kneejerk liberals never admit to being wrong about anything.Quote:
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So CDC is recommending everyone that goes out use a facemask. The president says he won't use one, so it is unlikely he will issue an order mandating it. But individual states might, probably are even likely to. So where the freak do you get a face mask, even non medical grade? Amazon has a wide variety, but nothing that will be delivered before some time in May at the earliest (even for Prime members).
You can make your own. There are patterns online. Basically, you can use material from sheets, cut the pattern, and create a pocket inside which you can fill with multiple layers of gauze or, better yet, HEPA filters. Tough to find elastic these days, but you can use the borders from fitted sheets for the elastic. These'll do until good masks become commercially available or aren't outrageously priced.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Not as good as N-95's, obviously, but better than nothing. If you use gauze for the filters, you can remove it after being outside, dispose of it, wash the mask in really hot water, and replace the gauze for next trip. If you have two or three of these, you're good to go.
It's not like I knew any of this. The girlfriend looked it up, made some prototypes, and her second try was a really good mask.
Runnings, Menards, large farm/painting and garden supply type stores probably your best bets. I don’t think those stores have anything to do with Las Vegas more upper Midwest so I’d think a Home Depot/Lowe’s type store would be your best bet appropriate for this subforum. Low quality “dust mask” type masks would usually be there for people who work around paint, sawdust etc. Idk if they’re able to keep them stocked now.
There are no face masks left for sale in Great Falls. I'm using a bandana bought at Walmart. Yeah, I know, not the best set up. I guess a quick fix would be a coffee filter and rubber bands.
Have several nurse friends. They all posted they almost pass out after wearing the N-95's for lengthy periods.
Here's a substitute;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPuD7jJacgw
That's not going to work in the slot parlours in Montana. They all got signs on the doors that say no masks.Quote:
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Italy has started mass treatment with hydroxychloroquine.
Well, I wonder what sort of upheaval this will start with the global pharmaceutical industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Yep, you're right. Best to let everyone die without trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRWell, I wonder what sort of upheaval this will start with the global pharmaceutical industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
“From Fauci [US government infectious diseases adviser, Dr Anthony Fauci] to the head of the World Health Organization, everyone says trials. It may be worse than nothing. We don’t know,” he said.
“The nationalistic shuttering down of export and import of drugs is serious. Drugs are manufactured in relatively small numbers of places and have to be moved to other places.
“The indirect harm could be worse than the impact of Covid-19,” he said. “it is not just the drugs that might work. It is all drugs. Italy, for instance, is a major source of drugs for the NHS. This is a very big area. It is getting bigger by the minute. And the opportunity to answer the sensible question – do these things work, yes or no? – is narrowing as countries become more nationalistic in terms of hoarding drugs.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oxychloroquine
At least 250 million pills to be manufactured in U.S. in April, maybe more. I've already addressed doctors prescribing the drug for themselves, relatives and friends as a propylactic. This led to some shortages. Hopefully, our leaders are on top of this shortage situation.Quote:
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I think globalism is going to be a big casualty of the pandemic. The present situation of being dependent on foreign countries for medicines is despicable. It has to change, not just for drugs but many other things. The U.S should not be dependent on any country for anything.
What's left of it.Quote:
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I don't know much about it but I do know that it isn't cost effective to manufacture in the USA.
I know Trump wants to bring it all back in theory but the logistics seem impossible.
I would be impressed if we avoid another major war or world war in the near future.
Earthquakes seem to be on the rise recently in Utah, Idaho and Colorado.
Current Events seem to be lining up with Biblical Prophecy.
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In the Bible
Appearance on Lake Tiberias by Duccio, 14th century, showing Jesus and the 7 fishing disciples (with Saint Peter leaving the boat). It has been noted that the Tetragrammaton occurs 153 times in the Book of Genesis.
The Gospel of John (chapter 21:1–14) includes the narrative of the miraculous catch of 153 fish as the third appearance of Jesus after his resurrection. [Note that 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3 = 153.]
The precision of the number of fish in this narrative has long been considered peculiar, and many scholars, throughout history, have argued that 153 has some deeper significance. Jerome, for example, wrote that Oppian's Halieutica listed 153 species of fish, although this could not have been the intended meaning of the Gospel writer because Oppian composed Halieutica after the Gospel text was written, and at any rate never gave a list of fish species that clearly adds up to 153.
Augustine of Hippo argued that the significance lay in the fact that 153 is the sum of the first 17 integers (i.e. 153 is the 17th triangular number), with 17 representing the combination of divine grace (the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit) and law (the Ten Commandments). Theologian D. A. Carson discusses this and other interpretations and concludes that "if the Evangelist has some symbolism in mind connected with the number 153, he has hidden it well", while other scholars note that "no symbolic significance for the number of 153 fish in John 21:11 has received widespread support."
Writers claiming a major role for Mary Magdalene have noted that in Greek isopsephy her epithet "η Μαγδαληνή" bears the number 8 + 40 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 30 + 8 + 50 + 8 = 153, thus, it is suggested, revealing her importance. Similarly, the phrase "τὸ δίκτυον" (the net) used in the passage bears the number 1224 = 8 × 153, as do some other phrases. The significance of this is unclear, given that Koine Greek provides a choice of several noun endings with different isopsephy values. The number 153 has also been related to the vesica piscis, with the claim that Archimedes used 153 as a "shorthand or abbreviation" for the square root of 3 in his On the Measurement of the Circle. However, examination of that work shows this to be only partly correct.
Evagrius Ponticus referred to the catch of 153 fish, as well as to the mathematical properties of the number (153 = 100 + 28 + 25, with 100 a square number, 28 a triangular number and 25 a circular number) when describing his 153-chapter work on prayer. Louis de Montfort, in his fifth method of saying the Rosary, connects the catch of 153 fish with the number of Hail Marys said (3 plus 15 sets of 10), while St Paul's School in London was founded in 1512 by John Colet to teach 153 poor men's children, also in reference to the catch.
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Cliff notes....DEMOCRATIC female legislator from Michigan credits Trump and Hydroxychlorquine with saving her life.
Not something you see everyday. Sure she will be shunned by the liberals quickly.
I have more faith in my voodoo numbers than in Trump's claim that the drug works, go take it. Ha, even he's going to take it. Not.
So about 3 weeks ago when Trump first mentioned chloroquine, I read everything I could find on it. One of the things I read was that it treats malaria by raising PH levels which kills the enzyme that transmits malaria through the body. I posted about it at the time about 3 weeks ago.
I found this interesting because I have LPR, a type of acid reflux, that damages tissue in the upper throat. An enzyme in the stomach, pepsin, makes its way to the throat area, where it eats at the tissue in that area that is not designed to handle pepsin, which is supposed to remain in the stomach. Besides medicine that I take to try to control that enzyme, my doctor advises that drinking alkaline water, that would be water with raised PH levels because it kills the enzyme. So when I read about Chloroquine, I thought "wow, same thing, higher PH levels kill the enzyme".
So tonight on one of the national news shows, they has a scientist from university of California answering questions. The question was how does Chloroquine work against coronavirus, and her answer was that it raises PH levels. Unlike the two examples I gave, malaria, and pepsin, the raised PH levels don't kill or neutralize the corona virus, but instead just creates a higher PH level that is less desirable condition for the virus to multiply. Result: there are fewer infected cells, for your immune system to fight off.
This seems pretty good to me. There are no side effects to drinking alkaline water and it is inexpensive, so I recommend people consider this. :rolleyes:
See, you're just a buttfuck liar. You make the shit up as you go. Trump never claimed the drug works, imbecile. Have you ever heard of "Right to try?" Trump gave us that right. Because people can die by the thousands waiting on the FDA to approve a drug.Quote:
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You bring nothing of value to this forum. Piece of shit.
Fact-checking Trump’s claims about hydroxychloroquine, the antimalarial drug he’s touting as a coronavirus treatment.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/...ne-fact-check/
I like the part where he won't let Fauci say that it (probably) doesn't work.
I liked that part too. It shows Trump is in control, and knows what’s he doing. I agree with everything Trump is saying with regard to hydrolxychloroquine. It can’t hurt if you’re on your death bed. What do you have to lose? I don’t know if those were his exact words, but they are pretty close.Quote:
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As far as doctor’s opinions on it, their are differing opinions out there. I agree Fauci, the one Trimp has on the podium with him, doesn’t see it as being effective as some. This just shows what a strong leader Trump is. He can have people around him with different opinions.
If the drug proves effective then you libtards will change course and say "Why didn't Trump push for this drug sooner. He's got blood on his hands."Quote:
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Gov. Andrew Cuomo has asked the federal government to increase the supply of hydroxychloroquine because there is some evidence it works.
LMR, since you don’t appear to be very well read and you like to make things up, I looked up what Dr. Fauci said about the drug. He never said it probably doesn’t work. You just made that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMR
Here’s what Dr. Fauci said about hydroxychloroquine: “What I’m saying is that it might be effective,” “But medical professionals’ aim should focus on collecting data that will ultimately show it is truly effective and safe under the conditions of Covid-19.”
Fauci went onto acknowledge the drug was unlikely to cause harmful side effects when used in an effort to treat or prevent coronavirus.
This sounds like a doctor who is following the guidelines he’s been taught. Who knows, behind the scenes he might be supporting Mr. Trump on pushing this through the red tape, but he needs cover. I mean he’s a renowned medical doctor so he doesn’t want to stick his neck out and jeopardize his status within the medical community
Mr. Trump can do this, and get away with it. Trump’s a leader! Trump said it beautifully when he said he’s not a doctor, but everything he is seeing from this drug indicates the risks are low and rewards high.
I think he used this phase: “What do you have to lose?”
Dude, it’s like you’re actively rooting against the drug working. Sad.Quote:
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I'm just picking up on this story so can't say how true it is but the gist of it is people that have been taking HCQ for Lupus are not testing positive for coronavirus. They are saying they've checked 14,000 Lupus patients and none of them have coronavirus. Its a breaking story so we'll see what happens.
You fucking stupid assholes.Quote:
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...upus-patients/Quote:
President Donald Trump once again touted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. This time, the president falsely claimed that “people with lupus” who take hydroxychloroquine “aren’t catching this horrible virus.”
While it’s too early to say whether or not hydroxychloroquine has any protective effects, it’s not true that no lupus patients have developed the disease. In fact, the COVID-19 Global Rheumatology Alliance’s registry of COVID-19 patients with rheumatologic disease had 110 validated patients, as of April 2, and 17% of them have lupus.
“We can say that this drug is likely not 100% effective in preventing or treating COVID, and that SLE [systemic lupus erythematosus] patients should not let their guard down,” Dr. Jean Liew, administrative lead for the alliance, told us in an email.
You fucking stupid asshole. Factcheck is a lefty propaganda machine. No wonder you're so fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMRYou fucking stupid assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...upus-patients/Quote:
President Donald Trump once again touted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. This time, the president falsely claimed that “people with lupus” who take hydroxychloroquine “aren’t catching this horrible virus.”
While it’s too early to say whether or not hydroxychloroquine has any protective effects, it’s not true that no lupus patients have developed the disease. In fact, the COVID-19 Global Rheumatology Alliance’s registry of COVID-19 patients with rheumatologic disease had 110 validated patients, as of April 2, and 17% of them have lupus.
“We can say that this drug is likely not 100% effective in preventing or treating COVID, and that SLE [systemic lupus erythematosus] patients should not let their guard down,” Dr. Jean Liew, administrative lead for the alliance, told us in an email.
You know the narrative you libtards are pushing that HCQ is dangerous to take. The best lupus doctor in the country says in 42 years he has never hospitalized a patient for side effects of taking the drug. Now go check phony ass factcheck with that.
Get your shine box, bitch.
LMR, did your idiot punk ass see how I worded this? I said I dont' know how true it is. More information is needed, you stupid dumb fuck. One thing is for sure, nothing your lefty propaganda site, factcheck (phony facts) says is credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
"Hydroxychloroquine is a safe drug. It has been given to 10'sM of people since it's approval in 1955 & as a monotherapy hasn't been assoc. w/any deaths in the rec dose. In 42 years of practice, no patient of mine has ever hospitalized for a HCQ complication." Dr. Dan Wallace
Good post Mickey! I also did some reserach on the drug last night. It’s an interesting drug, and I now get why it might work for coronavirus. In short, what it does is calms the immune system down, so it allows our immune system to function properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
That’s why it works well for Lupus patients. Every once in a while their immune system goes haywire and attacks itself. This drug settles it down.
The reason some doctors think this drug might work for coronavirus patients is because at the worst of the diseases, our immunize system gets overloaded and starts not working properly. This drug comes in and calms our immune system down so it can better fight off coronavirus.
I probably did an awful job describing what it does, but I know now if I get coronavirus and I’m close to my death bed, I’ll want a double dose of this stuff.
And for the record it is not in short supply for the people who need it, people with Lupus. The drug companies have ramped up making it, so the supplies are getting make to normal. This shows our for-profit system works. That’s another reason the liberals don’t want this drugs used to fight coronavirus. They claim lupus patients won’t be able to get it. Liberals always find the dark side to anything positive.
South Dakota has implemented a statewide HCQ trial. Everyone with coronavirus will be treated with the drug.