The WoV Thread

I don't think it's any secret that when Argentino gets embarrassed or is way off base about something or gets particularly brutally exposed, he goes on vacation for awhile and somebody else steps in as relief pitcher. Seems to be a rotation of sorts. It's basic news cycle stuff -- if Argentino accuses someone of something, and clearly has whiffed, he takes a break, and someone else starts commenting about something entirely different. The "entirely different" is also anti-AP, but tries to not reference at all whatever Argentino screwed up.

Works fine if everyone has attention deficit disorder.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Give the girl a kewpie doll.

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A Kewpie Doll! LMAO! :D

I was thinking of doing a video of one session of artt- win or lose- but I don't think anyone would give a rip at my level of play.

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Originally Posted by slingshot

I was thinking of doing a video of one session of artt- win or lose- but I don't think anyone would give a rip at my level of play.

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I expect your level of play is similar to that of our APs. Redietz is a 25-cent VP player.

Libtard BABS is at it again. Someone put up a psychological profile of Hitler and asked who it reminded people of. The inference was Trump. Boz put up the answer "AMS?" meaning ams288. I read the profile again. I've read a lot of ams posts and it fits him to a tee. Babs said Boz called ams Hitler and gave a suspension. Weak, BABS, very weak. You are either an idiot or totally biased. I have to go with totally biased. Boz did not call ams Hitler. You are a liar. You continue to handle your libtard pets with kid gloves but it's bare knuckles with the conservatives.

Your libtard pets are continuing to use the word moron after you asked them to cease using it. You haven't made a move. Cringing in your basement?

So there is a thread over at Wizardland talking about gambling wallets.

Someone suggested a flat no bend wallet, in a deep front pocket. Mr. Axelwof responded that he didn't like the thumping that makes against his leg (reasonable) and then added that he doesn't have much spare room in that area (fantasy).

Mr. Axelwolf, you are a valuable asset to any site you participate on with all your AP knowledge. You lose credibility when you mix fantasy into reality like this. Don't we have enough people living in a fantasy world reality? :cool:

I am not going to get into specifics of things I do. I did that once and paid a price. But a couple ideas I would consider are:

1.) a dummy or "give-up wallet", maybe containing a couple expired credit cards for authenticity (nothing current or current address) and 30-40 bucks. You can make that your tip money wallet.

2.) carry funds in multiple locations on your person. That way you may avoid losing all your funds to one "incident".

These tips aren't just for professional players either. If you frequent casinos, even as a recreational player, you are putting yourself in an environment that attracts thieves and lowlifes.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

So there is a thread over at Wizardland talking about gambling wallets.

Someone suggested a flat no bend wallet, in a deep front pocket. Mr. Axelwof responded that he didn't like the thumping that makes against his leg (reasonable) and then added that he doesn't have much spare room in that area (fantasy).

Mr. Axelwolf, you are a valuable asset to any site you participate on with all your AP knowledge. You lose credibility when you mix fantasy into reality like this. Don't we have enough people living in a fantasy world reality? :cool:

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There you go agian. It seems like gay guys are always thinking about dongs. I don't have much room in that area. Where do you think I keep my cell phone, keys and hands?

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

There you go again. It seems like gay guys are always thinking about dongs. I don't have much room in that area. Where do you think I keep my cell phone, keys and hands?

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Yeah right...like THAT's what you meant. Nice try though. :rolleyes:

Money belts is what they should be talking about.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._8QwZLGbejHQoz

Used to use a money belt years ago. It was worn under your pants so every time you needed money you had to go to the john and take your pants down to access the belt. Pain in the ass but effective for prevention.

Credit and a local bank work better IMO.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by slingshot

I was thinking of doing a video of one session of artt- win or lose- but I don't think anyone would give a rip at my level of play.

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I expect your level of play is similar to that of our APs. Redietz is a 25-cent VP player.

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Yes, I am!

Note to AxelWolf regarding Mr. Mendelson's post above: No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine. I just happen to privately mention things and voila, they appear on the forum. It's amazing, really. I should be some kind of profiler.

Redietz you posted publicly that you're only a 25-cents DW player.

In fact you also claimed to have a life long profit at it.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Redietz you posted publicly that you're only a 25-cents DW player.

In fact you also claimed to have a life long profit at it.

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Yes, I did, multiple times. I'm ahead a shade more than 5K lifetime playing video poker, with about 80% of the play at quarters. I had dipped down into the 4K bracket, but I hit a royal not long ago at the Fremont of all places, so I am back above the 5K mark.

I like the retro Fremont coffee shop.

So if you posted this multiple times, why did you write this?

"No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine. I just happen to privately mention things and voila, they appear on the forum."

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

So if you posted this multiple times, why did you write this?

"No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine. I just happen to privately mention things and voila, they appear on the forum."

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People generally tend to mention that someone plays 25-cents video poker as a way to put them in their place or suggest that they aren't, in some sense, really gambling. It's a method to undermine the quarter vp players' credibility or place them in some kind of socio-economic bracket. In a sense, it's an odd socio-economic pulling of rank. Argentino does this. You do this.

Take your mention above. You think slingshot plays at the level of most APs. You mention redietz. You don't mention that redietz wagers a fair amount on this or that, or that video poker represents almost nothing of what redietz wagers. It was an odd statement. Didn't mention anyone else, just me. Didn't mention jbjb or RS or mickey or kewlJ, APs who probably play at levels beyond quarters regularly. In fact, there are no other APs here who claim they play 25-cent vp. So why bring me up as a 25-cent vp player? I don't even consider myself an AP.

Given what you said, it comes across as snarky, maybe an attempt at demeaning. Who knows? It's funny to me because:

(1) I don't play video poker as some kind of serious earnings attempt. I started playing when sports comps got cut way below race comps. I wanted a couple of free rooms here and there.
(2) The fact that you take what-could-be-interpreted-as-snarky shots like that (actually, exactly that one) came up in conversation yesterday. Afterwards, you posted right on cue.

You lied. That's what counts redietz. You lied to stir up trouble.

If it's not Singer having proof that you solicited business it's some other remark attacking me.

You lied. And I caught it.

Now grow up.

I'm not following you, Mr. Mendelson. You're going to have to point out the lie. I have no blessed idea what you're talking about.

In a PM, I mentioned that you take the occasional odd shots at me for playing 25-cent video poker. Then voila, you immediately thereafter take the same shot. That's not lying. That's precognition.

You were overdue, I guess.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm not following you, Mr. Mendelson. You're going to have to point out the lie. I have no blessed idea what you're talking about.

In a PM, I mentioned that you take the occasional odd shots at me for playing 25-cent video poker. Then voila, you immediately thereafter take the same shot. That's not lying. That's precognition.

You were overdue, I guess.

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I'd rather play a 25 cent game with an edge and win money consistently being profitable than be some high rolling, hot shot loudmouth playing a $25 game losing money consistently and have to rely on a job or career for this addiction.

I'm still trying to figure out what he's talking about. I've always said I played quarter video poker. I've always said why I started playing video poker.

A lot of people find it baffling that someone can play quarters while "gambling" and put substantive amounts on something else while "gambling." There seems to be a perception that one precludes the other. If you understand that "gambling" is just a word, however, it's pretty clear video poker and sports betting (for example) are two completely different things. About as different as riding a pogo stick and flying a plane.

Nothing wrong with playing any denomination including pennies, if the percentage and the hourly is good enough then go for it.

I have played .25 VP that was worth as much as a 200% advantage.

Redietz your lie was when you wrote "No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine. I just happen to privately mention things and voila, they appear on the forum."

You didn't tell me you were a twenty-five cent VP player in any kind of private message. You posted it. To say you told me in a private message makes it seem I broke some confidence.

And for the record I never criticized you or anyone else for playing low denomination. And lately all I play is 25-cent video poker.

My post to slingshot was to reassure him that even at his low denomination play there were others like him -- even APs.

Now how are you going to twist this, redietz? You'll never give up trying to damage me.

PS. Red Rock has 8/5:Bonus and 10/6 Double Double Bonus at 25-cents.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Redietz your lie was when you wrote "No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine. I just happen to privately mention things and voila, they appear on the forum."

You didn't tell me you were a twenty-five cent VP player in any kind of private message. You posted it. To say you told me in a private message makes it seem I broke some confidence.

And for the record I never criticized you or anyone else for playing low denomination. And lately all I play is 25-cent video poker.

My post to slingshot was to reassure him that even at his low denomination play there were others like him -- even APs.

Now how are you going to twist this, redietz? You'll never give up trying to damage me.

PS. Red Rock has 8/5:Bonus and 10/6 Double Double Bonus at 25-cents.

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Reading comprehension is not your strong point. Maybe narcissism is. Or selective editing. You conveniently missed the first line, "Note to Axelwolf regarding Mr. Mendelson's post above: No, Mr. Mendelson is not a sockpuppet of mine...."

That means I'm addressing AxelWolf. The reason the note is to Axelwolf is because the PM in which I mention you take shots at me for playing quarter video poker was to Axelwolf, obviously. I wrote the PM to AxelWolf, and voila, you took a shot at me for playing quarter video poker. It was amazing, really.

Now how could you miss the first line, "Note to Axelwolf regarding Mr. Mendelson's post above:?" I have no idea.

As to whether you were empathetically consoling slingshot for his level of play or taking a shot at APs in general and me in particular, I leave that for readers to decide. Slingshot was being self effacing in implying that his level of play was not worthy of regard or comment. You said that APs play at that level and mention me. No APs actually get mentioned, because none of the known APs on this forum is known to be primarily a quarters player. And I'm not really an AP, anyway. So someone mentioning me is pretty out there.

The PM was to Axelwolf. Amazing. You let Argentino lie his brains out, and you mistakenly misread something I write, and decide -- gotcha -- I caught you in a lie. Comedic. How many lies has Argentino continually spun here under your watchful gaze?

I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I'm lost on this one.

Redietz is playing his diversion game again.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Redietz is playing his diversion game again.

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I don't know about all that.

I just seen my name mentioned multiple times and I don't have any clue what you gays are going on about.

Beatlejuice, beatlejuice, beatlejuice...

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Redietz is playing his diversion game again.

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I don't know about all that.

I just seen my name mentioned multiple times and I don't have any clue what you gays are going on about.

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Exactly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuK1Yr35Io

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Redietz is playing his diversion game again.

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I don't know about all that.

I just seen my name mentioned multiple times and I don't have any clue what you gays are going on about.

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You post more Gay Shit than all the Fags on these Forums. You even go so far as to post up Gay Cartoon Pictures... so Shut The Fuck Up You Faggot!

Babs was wrong in her suspension of Boz. Jews and gays do not have exclusive rights to be victims of Hitler. He killed millions of Russians, poles, Czechs, French and English. The fact that ams is gay is irrelevant. Ams is a provocateur, a hater of Trump and Trump supporters. He deserves no quarter.

Babs libtards over at WoV call Fox News "faux news" and according to them is not news. I cover FNC, CNN and MSNBC plus yahoo news, msn news and google news. For over a year if I wanted to hear or read "trump/russia, trump/russia, trump/russia" I tune one of them in. If I wanted to hear about how justice department officials tried to torpedo the Trump campaign then, when that failed, layed the seeds for a false impeachment, I had to go to Fox News because the other outlets wouldn't cover it.

Hannity has been on top of this story for over a year. Mainstream media called him a lunatic. Called the story a nothing burger. They have done everything they can to get him fired. But he keeps ticking. Hannity has hammered away day after day. The evidence coming to light has been painstakingly slow and justice department officials are/have been doing everything in their power to cover up their wrongdoing.

The mainstream media avoided the story for as long as they could but with the IG Report and congressional hearings that has been increasingly difficult for them to do. Mainstream media silence on growing evidence of criminal wrongdoing by holdovers from the Obama justice department is a sneaky form of fake news.

AMS comes across as hate filled as a person can be.

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Originally Posted by mcap

AMS comes across as hate filled as a person can be.

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Yes, he is definitely a leftist bully and Babs is his enabler. AMS posts have Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals written all over them. Hitler's psychological profile has Rules for Radicals written all over it. Two peas in a pod.

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Originally Posted by mcap

AMS comes across as hate filled as a person can be.

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Yes, he is definitely a leftist bully and Babs is his enabler. AMS posts have Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals written all over them. Hitler's psychological profile has Rules for Radicals written all over it. Two peas in a pod.

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That would have to be an extremely extra large pod.

In the Trump thread lowlife POS Terapined got away with delivering insulting posts to Axel. Babs don't make a move. Then lowlife POS Terapined delivered an insulting post to RS. Babs don't make a move. The Wizard caught up with the insult to RS and suspended POS Terapined for 3 days. This went on from page 409 to page 415. Babs was making posts on these pages as well so there is no way she missed the insults to Axel and RS. The Wizard had to step in and do her job for her, and that was only for RS. Babs just can't pull the trigger on her despicable libtards.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

In the Trump thread lowlife POS Terapined got away with delivering insulting posts to Axel. Babs don't make a move. Then lowlife POS Terapined delivered an insulting post to RS. Babs don't make a move. The Wizard caught up with the insult to RS and suspended POS Terapined for 3 days. This went on from page 409 to page 415. Babs was making posts on these pages as well so there is no way she missed the insults to Axel and RS. The Wizard had to step in and do her job for her, and that was only for RS. Babs just can't pull the trigger on her despicable libtards.

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Babs and Axel are best buds so it doesn't work the same for them. They can insult each other and use different rules compared to the rest of the forum.

Babs refuses to moderate ams or terapined is all. All they do is troll the shit or of the thread and once they escalate to when they say something horrific and obviously need to be suspended, she will wait for or ask for another moderator to weigh in. It’s a joke.

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Originally Posted by Prozema

Beatlejuice, beatlejuice, beatlejuice...

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I keep trying Mendlebread, Mendlebread, Mendlebread but he doesn't appear :(

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Originally Posted by monet

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Originally Posted by Prozema

Beatlejuice, beatlejuice, beatlejuice...

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I keep trying Mendlebread, Mendlebread, Mendlebread but he doesn't appear :(

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Bad sit-coms often have one note characters with signature phrases

Dy-no-mite

You can call me ray.......

surprise surprise surprise


Monet started off pretending to be a james bond figure,.......and has turned into a cheesy bad sitcom character who repeats the same line for each show

where is that james bond dude that throws 20 dollar bills down on the homeless while he dodges the IRA hiding 750 k in taxable income. You now.. the "i am a bad guy, i am a lair, i am no damn good, i bleed from my ass but i dont care"...you now that tough guy.

He turned into a wimpy weak antisemite with the personality of a bad sitcom character.
Its fun to watch the deterioration unfold,

Such a change. A devolution.

Shut the fuck up larry you narcissist asshole. Go wash your boy toy vbitch’s balls.

Go fuck your dog again, that usually calms you down for a bit, mcap.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Go fuck your dog again, that usually calms you down for a bit, mcap.

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STFU you Pot Stirring, Fake Lawyer, Chameleon Punk Ass Bitch!! Go Suck Off LarryS like you usually do on Fridays and Tuesdays.

Damn....let’s all take a nice & deep breath and relax.

Fuck off V. WhAt kind of asshole puts a frog habitat in their backyard and then gets pissed when they get frogs you deranged animal killing twat

I didn't put the pond / waterfall in, it was there when I bought the place.

Don't sweat your animal-loving twat about it, as a few nearby homes have ponds with frog-loving, frog-enabling owners who coddle the bug-eyed amphibians.

We only smite the ones that get off the reservation.

Things have gotten very quiet recently; seems they only croak madly in early spring, which I assume is their breeding season; all is quiet on the western front these days.

This thread is taking a very scary turn. :/

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Originally Posted by Tasha

This thread is taking a very scary turn. :/

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Pshaw.

Don't mean nothin'.

Rule #1: Never allow what is said on message boards to affect you in real life.

Rule #2: If a poster really irks you, put him/her on "ignore."

Rule #3: Post for your own amusement and don't worry about what others say about you.

Rule #4: Take no shit from anyone; if they flame you, flame the fuckers back.

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This thread is taking a very scary turn. :/

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what is so scary about homosexuals that like "to watch"

look at all the folks (not even always kj) asking MrV to perform homosexual acts. Thats not scary...thats just a lfestyle decision.....liking to watch men perform sexual acts on other men


Do not characterize that as scary.....its very natural for some.

Its just the part about suggesting that others perform those acts shows some sort of twisted sexual deviation in that they would seem to get some thrill from it

however its not "scary",

Rotfl. Leave the trolling to someone who’s good at it Larry.

Rotfl. Leave the trolling to someone who’s good at it like Larry

and leave the homosexual requests to mcap and monet

Returning home from a dinner date last night, I took a quick look at a couple of the sites looking for a good read. Happened to see member visits total for the day at WoV at 146. It was after 11pm. I didn't check back to see if they hit 150 or not, but suffice to say they continue to struggle with numbers.

Supporters will say it's a weekend during summer time and people have other things going. That may be but comparing apples to apples, way down from 250-275 during summertime weekends 3-4 years ago, and a continuing decline from just a year ago. Supporters will also point to total visits to the site remain mostly steady. That means that a smaller number of people visit more often during the day, returning more frequently as they do their back and forth in political threads like "trumps next 2 years" and "Nathan Corner" or when a good Zenking rant gets going.

You can draw whatever conclusion you like. My conclusion is that WoV continues it's decline in both volume and quality of members and what is posted and grows further and further away from an AP or even gambling discussion site every single day.

The folks who bought WoV did so not because they gave a damn about it, but because it came with WoO, their only true target.

It could close tomorrow and it would not bring a tear to their eye nor would its loss affect their bottom line.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

The folks who bought WoV did so not because they gave a damn about it, but because it came with WoO, their only true target.

It could close tomorrow and it would not bring a tear to their eye nor would its loss affect their bottom line.

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No doubt WoV was not the prime item. But are you qualified to say "they don't give a damn about it?" It is still a vehicle to attract new members to the LCB sites is it not? And I can't help but see Joshua Chan, Zuga and a couple other "greenies" from LCB checking (quite a bit of late). That tells me that they do have some interest and "give a damn".

More importantly, I am surprised about Michael. It was his baby. When he launched the site, he had a mission statement that the objective was discussion that would help players be and become better informed gamblers. Mike no longer cares about that I guess. Several million dollars will do that I guess. :rolleyes: Just surprises me, but then it's just a continuing trend of Michael Shackleford surprising (mostly disappointing) me.

KJ, I've not communicated with the owners so yeah, I am speculating as to their position, but think about it: given the relatively low volume of visitors to the site, both then and now, why would they really care?

Their bread and butter is online betting and online bettors, a topic rarely discussed at WoV as most members look down their noses at it.

I rarely see new posters ask an online betting question; oh it happens but not often enough to conclude that the site attracts a lot of new members to LCB.

Of course, I've no clue as to how much money the new owners have made from their purchase of WoO / WoV, nor will I or you ever learn the answer to that question.

The wiz sold his love child for thirty pieces of silver but now he cannot simply make a clean break from WoV due to contractual obligation.

Never can say goodbye (even if he'd like to) ...

MrV, LCB has also purchased BJ21 and blackjackinfo.com in the past couple years. Both of these are stand alone AP/gambling related message board forums, obviously in both cases blackjack AP forums. Although I don't know actual numbers, I am sure the prices paid where much less than the WoO/WoV deal.

So while I agree that WoO was the big draw, it is pretty hard to conclude that they have no interest in WoV, since they went out and purchased two other similar stand alone message board forums consisting of or relating to AP/gambling.

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KJ, I've not communicated with the owners so yeah, I am speculating as to their position, but think about it: given the relatively low volume of visitors to the site, both then and now, why would they really care?

Their bread and butter is online betting and online bettors, a topic rarely discussed at WoV as most members look down their noses at it.

I rarely see new posters ask an online betting question; oh it happens but not often enough to conclude that the site attracts a lot of new members to LCB.

Of course, I've no clue as to how much money the new owners have made from their purchase of WoO / WoV, nor will I or you ever learn the answer to that question.

The wiz sold his love child for thirty pieces of silver but now he cannot simply make a clean break from WoV due to contractual obligation.

Never can say goodbye (even if he'd like to) ...

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IIRC he had a nice side contract aside from the sale to stay on. I assumed that was up by now?

I think the deal is good enough for him to want to stay forever.

If things were as MrV states, the new owners of Wo0 would have shut down Wov by now. So obviously they do care about wov.

Maybe WoV generates less revenue than WoO......so what....that diesnt make it worthless.

the multitude of banners on WoV says to me its worth something, and quite a bit more than its value when the manboy was running it into the ground financially tothe point of begging for a handout..

Every good entrepreneur wants to maximize profits from their investments....so poor customer service at WoV that can negatively effect visits and the bottom line...should be a concern.

The Libatards at WoV are still crying about how they lost the 2016 Election. Mission is on a Mission of cry me a river. Wake up because you are going to keep losing this upcoming election in November and in 2020. The silent majority is going to actually start showing up at the polls.

Monet, I am not political. I consider myself a conservative, am registered republican and voted for Trump in the Nevada Caucuses. But, Trump is going down. And the republicans are going to pay dearly for "getting in bed with him". If Trump had committed no crimes, I think 2018 would still be a huge year for democrats as except for hard core republicans, voters have realized Trump is unstable, mentally unfit for the job and want to put a "check" on him. The way to do that is by electing democrats to House and Senate. Most people, including elected republicans have known Trump is mentally unfit for quite a while. They chose to do nothing. It's about to cost them big, and probably for years to come.

The fact is Trump isn't even a republican. He is about Trump, money and power. ALL of his life he held positions more associated with Democrats than Republicans. He simply adopted republican positions, so he could run as a republican. He is not a Republican and certainly not a conservative.

Now what I said until now, would be assuming there was no crime, just an unstable "kook" who loves money, power, and attention. But there is a crime. It is all about these 5 Golf courses, 2 in Scotland, 1 in Ireland, 1 in Florida, 1 in New Jersey. Throughout Trumps business life, everything he built or bought was done with someone else's money. He would get loans from banks and then later either renegotiate those loans, or just flat out reneg and file bankruptcy. So along comes these golf courses, and Trump pays cash....nearly a billion in cash. He didn't personally have that kind of money at that time.

in 2014, in an interview in the UK, Eric Trump was asked where that financing came from and he answered "WE don't need traditional financing from banks anymore, we have all the money we need from Russia". Eric is not all that bright and actually told the truth. Russia financed the purchase of these 5 golf courses, to the tune of about a billion dollars. And these Golf courses continue to lose money every year. Because of this Trump is tied to, beholden to Putin.

Mueller knows all this. Has all the proof he needs, including financial and tax records. And BTW, this is precisely why Trump wouldn't release those tax records. And this is about to come crashing down in the next 6 weeks before Labor day. This will not only end Trumps presidency as the repubs will have no choice but to force him from office, but unlike Nixon, who was allowed to walk away, his penalty was loss of the presidency, I think Trump has to be prosecuted after they take the presidency away from him, because it is Russia.

The only question is my mind is why would someone who has done this, run for the presidency. He has to know this would come out. This is where I think Trump has really lost his mind. He thought he was powerful enough to stop it. He isn't. He is about to go down and the repubs both elected officials and voters are about to pay a huge price for allowing a greedy, egotistic to hijack their party.

Red Wave!

The stupidest thing over there is that dumb ass "cooperation game." A bunch of fools arguing and fighting over loose change!! It's like throwing a quarter on the ground and watching a bunch of bums wrestle over it. LOL

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The stupidest thing over there is that dumb ass "cooperation game." A bunch of fools arguing and fighting over loose change!!

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Most of them aren't even players. They either work for someone pushing buttons with no clue of what they are really doing. The other ones are just giving up player cards to make a percentage in hopes that they don't get suckered like with WoN. Some of them are like Mike who analyze games but don't get into AP. I was reading an article by the Wiz a few years back that stated players should never play Reels and only play VP. He went on and on how they have no chance to win which I actually am happy that he puts that misinformation out there. We don't need everyone knowing how to beat Reels.

I got 10k that says Trump will not be forced out of office this term.

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The stupidest thing over there is that dumb ass "cooperation game." A bunch of fools arguing and fighting over loose change!!

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I haven't read it. I don't read most of the non-AP, non-gambling threads, including the political threads, although occasionally when I am bored with too much time, something catches my eye. All I know is that Site, is no where near what it used to be, nor has the number or quality of people participating. And that said, yes, I probably would go back, if given the chance. Bad as it is, it is better than the options I currently have. :rolleyes:

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I got 10k that says Trump will not be forced out of office this term.

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He is gonna win again in 2020 and the Red Wave is coming because many people who don't vote or haven't voted in decades are coming out in droves to crush these Libatard Demoncrats!

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I got 10k that says Trump will not be forced out of office this term.

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I am not betting Mickey, but I think you are thinking with your heart, not brain.

I will say this. Don't be fooled by these numbers that 90% of republicans support Trump. Those are misleading numbers. 10 years ago, registered republicans made up about 37% of electorate, democrats 39% and independents and small parties the balance. But more people who were registered independent usually voted republican, making it about 50/50.

Currently, registered republicans are 28%, democrats 38%, independents/other parties the rest. Democrats have held steady, while people that identified as republican left the republican party, registering as independents. So when you see that 90% of republicans support Trump, that is 90% of 28%. That's about 25% of the electorate. That's not enough to win without capturing significant independent support. In 2016, Trump Did get significant independent support. Current data suggests THAT is where the big dropoff is going to occur, especially with independent women. Trump has lost them, and it is very unlikely they are coming back.

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The stupidest thing over there is that dumb ass "cooperation game." A bunch of fools arguing and fighting over loose change!! It's like throwing a quarter on the ground and watching a bunch of bums wrestle over it. LOL

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It's a low stakes free roll. It sucks if you are captian which is sporadic.

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He is gonna win again in 2020 and the Red Wave is coming because many people who don't vote or haven't voted in decades are coming out in droves to crush these Libatard Demoncrats!

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Good luck with that. I don't think so. As a true conservative, I think I would like to get this over with. Get Trump out of office and move on. Yeah, maybe the Dems take the house and even Senate in 2018, which under normal circumstances, the repubs would have no business losing the Senate. But regroup, get a "normal" real conservative presidential candidate in 2020 (not Pense, who will be damaged) and begin to rebuild. The repubs would get credit for doing what needed to be done, removing a corrupt crazy nutjob and maybe the damage wouldn't be as long lasting.

"True conservitaves" hated Trump from the beginning.

Trump won because real people like him because he said what they were thinking.

The only way Trump loses in 2020 is if the economy falls out from under him. If you are in the market, you made a mint. People generally vote according to their wallet.

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The only way Trump loses in 2020 is if the economy falls out from under him. If you are in the market, you made a mint. People generally vote according to their wallet.

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Problem for Trump is that most people that voted for him are not in the market. Nor are they benefiting from the Tax cuts. They are farmers and ex factory workers that bought what he told them and for them, the economy has fallen, maybe a while ago, but has no come back with Trump as promised. If these people vote with their wallets, it won't be for Trump.

Trump has had to and will continue to fight both democrats and establishment Republicans. I've been sweeping across the country for a year now and I see it everywhere I go. Trumps base is working class Americans who are tired of phony ass establishment politicians. KJ, you need to get away from those lefty news feeds that have no basis in reality.

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The only way Trump loses in 2020 is if the economy falls out from under him. If you are in the market, you made a mint. People generally vote according to their wallet.

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Problem for Trump is that most people that voted for him are not in the market. Nor are they benefiting from the Tax cuts. They are farmers and ex factory workers that bought what he told them and for them, the economy has fallen, maybe a while ago, but has no come back with Trump as promised. If these people vote with their wallets, it won't be for Trump.

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That's nonsense. I've talked to at least 20 people who have 8-5's and every one of them is receiving more in their take home, and two of them got $1000 & $1500 company bonuses, and if you understood how company 401k's work then you'd know that these people absolutely are in the market. You also hear about and see examples of this on the news if you aren't glued to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, or NBC.

This is all it takes for people to vote for him again. All that bluster of lies about Russia, Stormy, Collusion, etc. etc. etc. means nothing to the general working public. When Obama got re-elected it was solely because he was black, and the libtard media made people feel "racist" if they voted for a rich white guy. Not this time.

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"True conservitaves" hated Trump from the beginning.

Trump won because real people like him because he said what they were thinking.

The only way Trump loses in 2020 is if the economy falls out from under him. If you are in the market, you made a mint. People generally vote according to their wallet.

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+1

I certainly hate him less than all the other choices.

Assume Mueller's report shows that Trump colluded with the Russians; also that he was financially beholden to them when he ran and was elected.

Unless there is a way to indict / charge a sitting president with a crime (a fact vigorously debated) then the only viable remedy seems to be impeachment.

Do you really think the Republicans would vote to impeach him?

I don't; that would involve them voting against their own self-interest, their own political survival.

Trump could be vulnerable at the next election if a viable opponent arises, but so far the Democrats have nobody worth a fig; god help the Dems if they allow themselves to self-destruct again as they did last time with a socialist (Bernie) causing a schism.

Weird times indeed.

I'm seeing things I used to never see. The TV's in hotel lobbies are on FNC. It used to be CNN. When I turn the TV's on in hotel rooms its already on FNC.

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Monet, I am not political. I consider myself a conservative, am registered republican and voted for Trump in the Nevada Caucuses.

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LGBT Conservatism... reminds me of when I first heard about the Gay Christian Church actually preaching and teaching about Jesus.

"Perverted, Twisted, Crippled" - The Hustler 1961

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The Libatards at WoV are still crying about how they lost the 2016 Election. Mission is on a Mission of cry me a river. Wake up because you are going to keep losing this upcoming election in November and in 2020. The silent majority is going to actually start showing up at the polls.

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Straight misrepresentation. What did I do to you?

I had a section called, “Why Trump is President...and I Don’t Care.”

Page long diatribe as to why Hillary sucked as a candidate.

Stated, multiple times, I voted for Gary Johnson.

And, your conclusion is I’m concerned the Democrats will lose in 2020 and am crying about it.

I actually believe you have reading comprehension, so I’m going to chalk it up to you didn’t read my posts. That said, quit misrepresenting my position.

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The Libatards at WoV are still crying about how they lost the 2016 Election. Mission is on a Mission of cry me a river. Wake up because you are going to keep losing this upcoming election in November and in 2020. The silent majority is going to actually start showing up at the polls.

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Straight misrepresentation. What did I do to you?

I had a section called, “Why Trump is President...and I Don’t Care.”

Page long diatribe as to why Hillary sucked as a candidate.

Stated, multiple times, I voted for Gary Johnson.

And, your conclusion is I’m concerned the Democrats will lose in 2020 and am crying about it.

I actually believe you have reading comprehension, so I’m going to chalk it up to you didn’t read my posts. That said, quit misrepresenting my position.

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You're a proven idiot and a weirdo, and now a blatant liar. Why don't you and your opinions stay at the libtard WoV forum where you can bash and lie about Trump all you want to happy foreigner ears? I see nowhere where monet "misrepresented" your moronic position.

Wise up.

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You're a proven idiot and a weirdo, and now a blatant liar. Why don't you and your opinions stay at the libtard WoV forum where you can bash and lie about Trump all you want to happy foreigner ears? I see nowhere where monet "misrepresented" your moronic position.

Wise up.

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You’re Rob Singer.

I rest my case.