My Casino back-rooming.

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Originally Posted by tableplay

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Originally Posted by monet

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Originally Posted by tableplay

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That's HUGE.
Too Bad you got to give 25% to the IRS.
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Thanks Monet. I am below the filing limit ($20,000 threshold/year) for the year still - so I should be good to go with not paying 25% of this jackpot to Uncle Sam, unless my hand-pays end up exceeding $20,000 for the year which is unlikely. Since I am a law-abiding citizen, I would never not report my winnings from non-hand-pays, just like everyone else here at VCT. And of course my winnings from non-hand-pays are $0.

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Years ago, they told one of my pals that he owed them 3 Million Dollars lol.
He didn't file or report for years.
I guess he files now but has never paid them.
Supposedly, they have a lean on him, but it doesn't matter as he doesn't own anything on paper.
Another guy that I know who worked on the other side told me that they rarely go after guys like this as none of them have anything, not even a bank account.
It's just not worth their time unless they want to make an example out of you for whatever reason they have.
The government can ruin anyone at any moment for any reason they see fit.
Mrs. V will be in here telling us how the law works but I've never experienced it in the real world.
The law seems to change whenever you get into arbitration for some reason.
I read a stat that the government only wins 3% of the cases that actually make it to trial.
Something like 99% of the cases don't ever make it to trial.
I could never understand the idea of "court costs".
They just win in every direction.
Personally, I stay away from the cops, courts and doctors.
Leave me the Fuck Alone!

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Originally Posted by monet

Personally, I stay away from the cops, courts and doctors.

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This fantastic advice is never presented as an option by the three entities you just listed, since it would put them out of business. The narrative presented, is that people are going to interact with these parasites and then everything from there is built on this house of cards.

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OKAY....we have an update to this bad boy incident. :D

We are a little over a week away from the 2 year anniversary of the initial incident to this ordeal. :rolleyes:

So unrelated to this incident, a number of months after this incident, I believe through a legislative act rather than a judicial ruling but don't hold me to that, Nevada revised the old trespass laws to include a two year limitation. It hasn't been 2 years since the revision, so there have been no test cases. But I think everyone assumes that as soon as a casino recognizes a previously trespassed player that has returned, they will simply trespass the player again, good for another 2 years.

I intended to test that out. And that probably wasn't a smart thing, but rather me being ornery. I mean I don't anticipate really playing that location again, but still.

So about an hour ago, I received a registered letter, stating that at the expiration of my original trespass, a new trespass will take effect for a period of 2 years.

hum... :confused:

I am still digesting that, but wonder if that is legal. :confused: It certainly violates the spirit of the 2 year limit if not the actual legality of it.

I have no intent nor interest in fighting it, but did forward it to my attorney. Maybe a forward to Gaming is also in order. Thinking about it. :)

In the meantime, they got me again. If only to deny me the joy of fucking with them. :p

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

OKAY....we have an update to this bad boy incident. :D

We are a little over a week away from the 2 year anniversary of the initial incident to this ordeal. :rolleyes:

So unrelated to this incident, a number of months after this incident, I believe through a legislative act rather than a judicial ruling but don't hold me to that, Nevada revised the old trespass laws to include a two year limitation. It hasn't been 2 years since the revision, so there have been no test cases. But I think everyone assumes that as soon as a casino recognizes a previously trespassed player that has returned, they will simply trespass the player again, good for another 2 years.

I intended to test that out. And that probably wasn't a smart thing, but rather me being ornery. I mean I don't anticipate really playing that location again, but still.

So about an hour ago, I received a registered letter, stating that at the expiration of my original trespass, a new trespass will take effect for a period of 2 years.

hum... :confused:

I am still digesting that, but wonder if that is legal. :confused: It certainly violates the spirit of the 2 year limit if not the actual legality of it.

I have no intent nor interest in fighting it, but did forward it to my attorney. Maybe a forward to Gaming is also in order. Thinking about it. :)

In the meantime, they got me again. If only to deny me the joy of fucking with them. :p

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Get help.

Kew, did you ever consider how much you'd be ridiculed for trying to add to your already proven lie about this ridiculous concoction?

You're really no more intelligent or savvy than the forum retard in your continuing quest for attention, relevance, and acceptance.

AQ suggests you get help. I hope you don't. Laughing stocks like you help make visits to this very anemic forum somewhat bearable.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

OKAY....we have an update to this bad boy incident. :D

We are a little over a week away from the 2 year anniversary of the initial incident to this ordeal. :rolleyes:

So unrelated to this incident, a number of months after this incident, I believe through a legislative act rather than a judicial ruling but don't hold me to that, Nevada revised the old trespass laws to include a two year limitation. It hasn't been 2 years since the revision, so there have been no test cases. But I think everyone assumes that as soon as a casino recognizes a previously trespassed player that has returned, they will simply trespass the player again, good for another 2 years.

I intended to test that out. And that probably wasn't a smart thing, but rather me being ornery. I mean I don't anticipate really playing that location again, but still.

So about an hour ago, I received a registered letter, stating that at the expiration of my original trespass, a new trespass will take effect for a period of 2 years.

hum... :confused:

I am still digesting that, but wonder if that is legal. :confused: It certainly violates the spirit of the 2 year limit if not the actual legality of it.

I have no intent nor interest in fighting it, but did forward it to my attorney. Maybe a forward to Gaming is also in order. Thinking about it. :)

In the meantime, they got me again. If only to deny me the joy of fucking with them. :p

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Get a small piece of paper and hand write "kewlJ 3-24-2025" on it, then put that piece of paper over any highly sensitive info on the letter you received (name, address, etc.), then take a photo of the stacked pieces of paper, then post that photo in this thread.

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

Get a small piece of paper and hand write "kewlJ 3-24-2025" on it, then put that piece of paper over any highly sensitive info on the letter you received (name, address, etc.), then take a photo of the stacked pieces of paper, then post that photo in this thread.

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No thank you based solely on principal.

But just out of curiosity :rolleyes: ...do you think I don't own a printer?

Since I can't by legal agreement show anything identifying the sender, and won't show anything identifying me or my name or address, I could just print a generic letter (ala Rob Singer's bill of sale) with those areas blocked out, that would meet your requirements, but otherwise prove nothing.

You people crack me up. You really do. :D

You got Singer (of all people), the perpetrator of the phony bill of sale mentioned, among other phony nonsense, talking about somebody seeking attention. Singer!!!:D

NRS 207.200  Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.

1.  Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:

(a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or

(b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned during the previous 24 months by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,

is guilty of a misdemeanor.

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Since casinos can exclude people for any reason, subject to a few exceptions which don't apply to card counters, I see no way to fight it so long as they properly give you notice before the expiration of the two year period.

My analysis would differ were the casinos required to show a "new" offense but that seems not to be the case.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Since casinos can exclude people for any reason, subject to a few exceptions which don't apply to card counters, I see no way to fight it so long as they properly give you notice before the expiration of the two year period.

My analysis would differ were the casinos required to show a "new" offense but that seems not to be the case.

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You are or were an attorney MrV and I am not, so I am not challenging your opinion. But prior to this revision where a period of 24 months was inserted, a trespass was assumed to be permanent, except in the very rare instance of a casino overturning it. Even in instances where the casino changed ownership, I think the trespass remained valid.

So then why make this change to 24 months, if they can just extend it like renewing a library book. :confused:

I don't know if a renewal violates the law but it certainly violates the intention of the law. Sometimes these kind of loopholes need to be corrected. But I have no interest in being a part of that. I don't see any damages or anything like that, that could make it beneficial.

I only brought it up because at least in my eyes, it is another case of the casinos doing the wrong thing. In this industry, when given a choice they always do the wrong thing...the sleazy thing.....take the lower road.

Kind of like our President, who wants to force courts to tell him "you can't do this or that" when he knows damn well, he shouldn't be doing some of these things in the first place. It is like a 'get away with whatever you can, regardless of whether it is right or wrong' mentality.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

OKAY....we have an update to this bad boy incident. :D

We are a little over a week away from the 2 year anniversary of the initial incident to this ordeal. :rolleyes:

So unrelated to this incident, a number of months after this incident, I believe through a legislative act rather than a judicial ruling but don't hold me to that, Nevada revised the old trespass laws to include a two year limitation. It hasn't been 2 years since the revision, so there have been no test cases. But I think everyone assumes that as soon as a casino recognizes a previously trespassed player that has returned, they will simply trespass the player again, good for another 2 years.

I intended to test that out. And that probably wasn't a smart thing, but rather me being ornery. I mean I don't anticipate really playing that location again, but still.

So about an hour ago, I received a registered letter, stating that at the expiration of my original trespass, a new trespass will take effect for a period of 2 years.

hum... :confused:

I am still digesting that, but wonder if that is legal. :confused: It certainly violates the spirit of the 2 year limit if not the actual legality of it.

I have no intent nor interest in fighting it, but did forward it to my attorney. Maybe a forward to Gaming is also in order. Thinking about it. :)

In the meantime, they got me again. If only to deny me the joy of fucking with them. :p

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It does make me wonder how organized casinos will be in keeping track of past trespassers.

I know of a large non Nevada casino that has been open for decades that struggles to keep track of all their previous trespassers.

I frequently see security at a podium looking at pictures of people on a laptop trying to identify if someone they see is in their list.

Their slot staff has told me that the way they catch a lot of people who have been trespassed before is only when they hit a handpay, they throw them out again.

Of course this will vary greatly by casino how efficient or ineot they are.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Since casinos can exclude people for any reason, subject to a few exceptions which don't apply to card counters, I see no way to fight it so long as they properly give you notice before the expiration of the two year period.

My analysis would differ were the casinos required to show a "new" offense but that seems not to be the case.

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You are or were an attorney MrV and I am not, so I am not challenging your opinion. But prior to this revision where a period of 24 months was inserted, a trespass was assumed to be permanent, except in the very rare instance of a casino overturning it. Even in instances where the casino changed ownership, I think the trespass remained valid.

So then why make this change to 24 months, if they can just extend it like renewing a library book. :confused:

I don't know if a renewal violates the law but it certainly violates the intention of the law. Sometimes these kind of loopholes need to be corrected. But I have no interest in being a part of that. I don't see any damages or anything like that, that could make it beneficial.

I only brought it up because at least in my eyes, it is another case of the casinos doing the wrong thing. In this industry, when given a choice they always do the wrong thing...the sleazy thing.....take the lower road.

Kind of like our President, who wants to force courts to tell him "you can't do this or that" when he knows damn well, he shouldn't be doing some of these things in the first place. It is like a 'get away with whatever you can, regardless of whether it is right or wrong' mentality.

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I think the intent of the law was more for protecting patrons who may have been trespassed many years ago and / or prior to an ownership change & legitimately believed they were not trespassed currently.

I believe courts wanted to avoid getting bogged down with cases of very old trespasses where there was a real question of whether the trespass was intentional. As trespass is normally a “specific intent” crime even in NV if I’m not mistaken.

So if they resend the trespass notice they are probably adhering both to the letter & spirit of the law.

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Originally Posted by DGenBen

It does make me wonder how organized casinos will be in keeping track of past trespassers.

I know of a large non Nevada casino that has been open for decades that struggles to keep track of all their previous trespassers.

I frequently see security at a podium looking at pictures of people on a laptop trying to identify if someone they see is in their list.

Their slot staff has told me that the way they catch a lot of people who have been trespassed before is only when they hit a handpay, they throw them out again.

Of course this will vary greatly by casino how efficient or ineot they are.

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Part of my problem is I have antagonized them throughout this ordeal. frequently doing things like going right up to the line of what I am legally allowed to say. Dumb really, but kind of fun. ;)

Since this casino no longer fits the profile of casinos I mostly play, I wasn't going to play there anyway. So this "renewal" was probably the best way forward for me. If I had antagonized them, which would have been a likely outcome, it could have resulted in not only another trespass (which the "renewal is), but possibly an entry or update to database information that actually could have been harmful.

So maybe in some strange way, someone up there (gambling Gods or someone) was looking out for me. Protecting me from my own stupidity. :cool:

In the United States anytime a law can protect someone (not to mention also protect the expensive tax payer funded legal system) from their own stupidity, that is probably a win. :)

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

I do not understand your compulsion to share sensitive and detailed information like this if it is even true. Most who encounter similar situations simply don't do the thing in question, and also don't tell anyone what they discovered and what they didn't do in response to the discovery. Your revealing it publicly with such detail is odd. Odd enough that one suspects the details are untrue and possibly the whole story itself. If you need to fabricate details to protect your identity, why not keep the stories to yourself in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

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Originally Posted by MDawg

The only reason for which UNKewlJ has ever been trespassed is for male prostitution.

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Get help.

Did they send the trespass notice by registered mail?

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

MDawg has his challenge available for any session that is in dispute. Really for forums it doesn't get anymore stand up than that.

I'd say the only thing that happened today is it rained bad news for you. Make sure everything is elevated on milk crates in your tunnel abode so it doesn't wash away.

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