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See and again some of the posts above show how little people understand or know about Baccarat. Most casinos give one hour play credit per shoe. Blaze through in twenty minutes, agonize over the hand choices and drag the shoe out to two hours, doesn't matter.
Really some of you should just keep your mouths shut. They'd think you were a horse, and let you through.
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Originally Posted by MDawg
Come on now MDawg you want to deliberately speed up play in hope that the Wizard will not be able to detect your secretive magic system.
All this is/was no different than any of the Rob Singer challenges. No coincidence here. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by jdaewooThat's a big lie. But you're a lying cunt so it's to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I wonder whether DoffDawg's wingman MC will register here at VCT and start posting in support of his beloved now that they've both been suspended at WoV?
I see they just got you for 3 days as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Yes, they did.
I had these two sites (WoV and VCT) organized so as to be adjacent to each other on my list of go to websites on my browser, and I penned a scurrilous screed which I'd intended to post here, but I failed to realize that due to my inattention and unssemly haste it was posted instead on WoV by mistake: how lame, and my bad, completely.
Immediately upon discovering my inexcusable blunder I deleted / changed it, but that diligent mod Once Dear was too fast.
LOL, he got me.
OD sure is loyal, wouldn't it be interesting to see Rusty having to handle all the dirty work himself(sight to see). Then the " man in charge " would be forced to read the threads LOL. Of course this scenario WILL NEVER play out, looks like OD is in it for the long haul and if for whatever reason that were to change, some other chump would step in, thats inevitable. How would that site be, if he had no "charity work" whatsoever.? Quite the enigma.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I give the WoN/MDawg challenge to happen at about 4%
So wait, you are saying expected value is WoN? Expected value put up money. That isn't WoN's usual M.O.? And isn't Mdope Bac79 or B79? So Hard to follow, these trolls using multiple identities and sock pupputs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I always thought this challenge would crumble as well. Plus the terms are bonus. The idea was for Mdawg to play a normal session, as described in his fairytales. I would expect to see average bets of $1000-1200 that are frequently described and a win of 8-10k, not some alternative strategy of small bets to win this wager. And while the short term results wouldn't really prove much, it would be pretty hard to explain if this was THE session that ended a 55 winning session streak. :confused:
And by the off chance that this does somehow still come off, it is now pretty obvious what this Mdunce plan is. He doesn't want a running record, instead is going to attempt to play very fast, so everything gets jumbled and secretly introduce extra chips from his pocket to allow for a winning session. For those of us that play blackjack for a living, this would be a reveres "ratholing". Should this come off, I hope someone is on the lookout for that.
Reverse ratholing is pretty LOL, but very likely in this type of scenario.
I would imagine the surveillance guys watching would enjoy a good chuckleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
In #2854, I mention this as one obvious thing to prevent with a log. There are probably 20 problems with not keeping a log. I listed some of the most obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
The mistake made was making this into a contest for Mdawg to receive the $2000. There was no need for that. We already have the BIG claim that is being contested.
Remember back in December when Wizard declared "time to put up or shut up"? THAT is what we should be working off of.
So what came of that was Mdawg wanted to meet Wizard, not to show his play (put up) but instead to show him some paperwork which would have about a .0034 chance of being real. And THAT was a truly bizarre idea. Both men in Vegas, where the supposed play takes place and the offer is for some documentation? Goofy! Only a scammer would come up with that. :rolleyes:
So enter Expectedvalue. I am still taking him at his word that he was willing to put up some money to get this done. So he offered Wizard $500 to participate. Why not just offer Mdawg what ever money necessary to participate rather than tie it to a winning session with terms far from what his play is described in the great Mdawg fairytale? I mean THAT is what we are trying to get to the bottom of.
The terms should be: Wizard and probably at least a second person (looking out for reverse ratholing) witnesses Mdawgs play. His normal play that he describes in the great fairytale. Average bet should come in at the amounts he talks about $1000-$1200 and at the end of the session Wizard reports the results. Mdawg is compensated $2000 or whatever amount. And we begin to get to the bottom of this fairytale claim. :cool:
MDawg's usual reports have very specific numbers and final tallies in them. The only way a formal observer could match the alleged accuracy of the trip reports would be to keep a log or record the session.
Again, it comes down to why would someone NOT want a log kept? And there are many reasons, none of them having to do with magic bet sizing.
Quite funny that Dog is so concerned with 2k worth of BTC going down in value, before getting sent. God forbid it loses 1 or 2 hundy in value LMAO. Is this the talk of a triple digit millionaire, who tips and spends several times this " potential " loss in mere minutes. Holding millions worth of btc since 2010 AND held ALL since it was worth nothing to current value. He still has brownosing SOOPOO as one of his supporters. The braggart doctor worships and looks up to the All Mighty never lose never fail Dog. Don't worry SOOPOO he will still be your mentor, you can get your nose out of his ass now, what a chump. If all else fails, you have your step daughter as back up mentor. The sad thing is, this guys no dummy, but he sure is a gullible Simp !
Heat map posted this: doesnt all of this encompass part of the adventure? sockpuppets, banter back and fourth, trying to get the puppets or whatever?
Not only is is right, but Wizard becomes more and more complicit in this scam everyday. Not only has he provided the platform for this deception and bullshit claims that defy math for years now, the very math Wizard built his reputation, but Wizard now protects this Mdawg fraud by suspending those challenging and in once case, restricting a poster from the very thread. :rolleyes:
Mike grows more and more complicit every single day and every day both the great Wizard and his forum grow further and further away from what he said was his and the forum's purpose. He is now the Wizard of scam as far as I am concerned. And now he thinks he should be compensated for his time doing nothing but allowing this bullshit to grow. What a sleazebag and scam artist this Wizard has turned out to be.
Seriously, the great Wizard is willingly allowing sockpuppets (looking the other way) to allow this bullshit to grow. Pathetic two faced scammer.
Mike is a "fair" and benevolent wizard IF you play by his written rules, which it appears DoofDawg has been doing.
True, there are mods there just itching to play "Gotcha!" (hello, OD) but even he is playing by the rules, and hey, we all hope to catch others in "gotcha" situations, don't we?
True, we all know that DawgShit is trolling and that trolling is ostensibly forbidden there in the Emerald City, but nobody has been able to prove that what DenseDawg claims is false.
History repeats itself, they say; just think back to when alan claimed one time (must have been some good LSD, alan old boy) that he saw eighteen yo's rolled in a row.
The Wiz didn't exile him to Munchkinland because he could not prove the claim was false and that it was just a lie / troll.
Too bad the latest challenge failed: that could have provided the lever to send DumbshitDawg on a one way trip to the DawgPound.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
Sorry, MrV, I accidentally deleted my post while trying to add the final line. So it is now reposted below your response.
MDawg is NOT playing by the rules. The site is supposed to be about helping players become better gamblers through the mathematics of gambling. Mdawg is doing the exact opposite with claims that defy math and Wizard is protecting him by not allowing the normal policing that should take place, to take place. For more than 2 years through multiple weeks/months long trips this fantasy, fairytale claims have gone on, escalating each time, which happens to be a common thing with these narcissists. they must escalate claims to get the desired level of attention they crave. Singer did it. This Mdawgshit fellow does it. It is classic narcissism.
There comes a time that a math guy and Mike is supposed to be THE gambling math guy, has to say enough is enough. Wizard finally got to that point in December, far too late IMO, when he declared "it is time to put up or shut up", but then back tracked or was talked out of it.
You may think I am being harsh, but there is no two ways about it. Michael Shackleford is either a really, really weak man, allowing himself to be bullied and played over and over again, or he is complicit in this. One or the other! And with each passing day, the latter looks more the case.
Don't be disappointed that the challenge broke down before things were all set. I have a feeling something would have come up last minute that prevented MD from showing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
What should occur, is the people who have been suspended for challenging these fantasy, fairyland claims should immediately be unsuspended. Probably with an apology, although Michael Shackleford has proven he is not a big enough man to ever do that. People restricted from the Mdawg thread to protect Mdawg (at his request), should be unrestricted.
And we should go back to the point that after 2+ years it is long past time for Mdawg to put up or shut up. And until he does, he should not be given the platform to continue with claims that go against math.
It is ridiculous. The guy is right here in Vegas, for a month now. Prove you claims! And he should want to if they were anything but fantasy. Think of the victory lap this guy would get to take, if he were to prove to Wizard, his claims true.
Whether BTC goes up or down in value has no bearing on the prizes offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
He mentioned BTC losing value once to bust the challenger's balls,
the implication is that if BTC price falls then EV would need to send
more to cover $2500 in prizes offered.
You are a moron.
Are you betting huge stacks of green and red chips?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You look at the color of the chips, you count how many chips there are of each color...the bet either wins or loses. It sounds like you pay all Banker commissions at the end, so that can be subtracted from the final tally.
I'm sorry, but the notion that an actuary could not track the chips switching sides on pen and paper is absurd.
This gets curiouser and curiouser.
Some things to ponder regarding various curiosities:
1) MDawg prefers to play alone, one on one at a table with the dealer.
2) If MDawg sought out such a situation, and was being formally observed, he would not or could not slow down his play?
3) His success must therefore be dependent somehow on the speed at which he executes his bets?
4) If playing with other people at his table, his betting would be slower and even easier to track.
5) But he bets too fast with others at the table for anyone to chart him with pen and paper?
I don't think my lack of baccarat experience (excuse me, high end baccarat experience) is the issue here.
There were three ways to approach this from the standpoint of a formal observer. One could simply record the action with a camera phone. I assume a bigger player, playing alone at a table, could swing that. But perhaps not. The second would be to keep a pen and paper log. The third would be to watch the player like a hawk to make sure no chips other than the buy in were added to the mix. This would require a personal search to prevent "reverse ratholing," accompanying the player on bathroom breaks and such to prevent the player accessing confederates or stashes of additional chips and so on. The latter would have been a pain in the ass, somewhat insulting to the player, but absolutely necessary in the absence of video recording or a logbook.
It all comes down to, "Why would someone trying to demonstrate something NOT allow a log book?" What sense does that make? What in the log book will give away the big secret?
Too much speculation. Who allows ALL his commission to accumulate to the end of the shoe? I think even ExpectedValue, who claims to be some kind of casino player, is saying something to this effect at WOV. In the case of the people here at VCT, just take a pass (but keep your mouths shut), on that you don't know how any of this works. Next someone is going to speculate on when commission is paid. The correct answer is: whenever the player gets around to it. No one just lets it accumulate to the end of the shoe.
And then as far as speed of play, and what that means or doesn't mean. Rampant speculation.
The issue of Wizard's recording the play with a camera phone? Get a grip! Has any one of these people who suggested such a thing even been inside a casino in the last twenty years?
Just utter garbage nonsense from a bunch of clueless amateurs. I am glad I stopped responding to many of you long ago.
I made it clear that Wizard could monitor or record the session any way he chose fit for his private records, just that he could not disclose anything other than the results of the wager.
And then clueless AxelAss chirping about what the challenge was about - when he obviously hasn't read more than a few words of any of the posts because his reading ability fettered him.
I've already moved on. This ExpectedValue is not worth anyone's time. Guy is talking about what he wanted to do. If he were sharper he would have stated everything up front in writing, even if he doesn't know what the parole evidence rule is, he should at least know that we're not mind readers and what he wanted to propose is irrelevant - what he wrote down as proposed is all that matters.
Wizard should have just declared that a contract had already been finalized, money had changed hands and moved forward with the challenge. Specific performance. Since the contract was breached, ExpectedValue should offer up something equivalent to liquidated damages, in good faith. If he doesn't, it is up to Wizard to decide ExpectValue's fate at WOV.
As mentioned I've already moved on. I spent more time writing up my review of FIVE CARD STUD than I did thinking about ExpectedValue.
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Originally Posted by MDawg
Just to be sure we are all on the same page, are you talking about the thread that is the #1 thread in the losing betting systems / voodoo section of WoV?
And now you have reneged on a wager/meet up as well. The spirit of that proposal was to get you to meet with Wizard and show him your play, your regular play, that you claim has won 55 sessions in a row now. You turned it into something else, knowing the offer would be withdrawn, because you can not and will not show your play to Wizard or you know you would be exposed as a fraud.
ExpectedValue is full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
He sent me a PM that contradicts several things he posted on the forum.
He probably forgot what he wrote...but the truth doesn't change.
For anyone who thinks he's a sock puppet of a banned member,
EV also sent me his name & telephone number.
Both could be falsified, but they could show a link.
PM me if you want to compare notes,
not sure if forum rules here apply to non-members.
Obviously. But - he's not the only one who is full of it. There are more than a couple of parakeets on here who can't help but yap uncontrollably out of a rigid doll face, repeating the same things over and over, all the while utterly obsessed with MDawg. The mentally ill can't help themselves and need to say things to quiet the demons in their pea brained skulls, oblivious to the fact that people stopped listening to them long ago.
I would actually like to have a conversation about expectedvalue, as I had posted a pretty glowing endorsement of him about a week ago, based on his participation that I had encountered since my return to WoV and him never getting involved in any drama. Obviously some of that has changed and my thoughts have changed slightly as well, not a great deal, but slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyExpectedValue is full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
He sent me a PM that contradicts several things he posted on the forum.
He probably forgot what he wrote...but the truth doesn't change.
For anyone who thinks he's a sock puppet of a banned member,
EV also sent me his name & telephone number.
Both could be falsified, but they could show a link.
PM me if you want to compare notes,
not sure if forum rules here apply to non-members.
But I am not going to do that with you. I am still in shock of your posts from last night. Even for the troll that you are, I didn't expect that from you. You owe redietz an apology. I was hoping and expecting you would reply last night with something about not knowing or having forgotten. Instead you doubled down with an even more bizare post about not needing a wife to father children. What is wrong with you? Where you drunk? That is honestly what I thought when I read it.
Here is my pm to coach on March 27th. Which he never forwarded to Mdawg.
March 27, 2021 6:44 pm
Hi mdawg.it’s Xxx. Expected value. I really envy anyone that can win at bacc. I got to Vegas 1 time a month and haven’t had a winning session since COVID. I normally bet between 1-3k per hand. I’d love to play with you at either Wynn or mgm next trip (about 8 days. I am at the Wynn tower suites the 3-5th and mgm skyofts 6-10. I have 100k lines at both so the stakes aren’t an issue. I’d love to just mimic what you bet. Happy to treat anywhere you like for dinner. Thanks again
You can feel free to text me if better it’s 770-927-4720
Coach can be the asshole that he is but nothing changed. Except the dates of my trips. Keep in mind he requested I send him the message and he would forward but never did
Funny, 27 and growing is the number of people you listed that are wrong, most of them known AP's many right here in Vegas. And that was before Dan Druff came out and said he didn't believe you and Eliot, asked to comment, just linked to his Baccarat scammers and liars video that he made about YOU. I guess that puts us at 29. Lol. Everyone else is wrong and YOU are right. Another classic symptom of a Narcissist.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Not saying that parakeet tag applies to Mission,Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
but he wrote an analysis of the challenge where he
seems to misunderstand what terms were accepted.
Didn't you agree that the Wizard could record the results?Quote:
Originally Posted by MIssion146
I sent it to him as soon as I read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivyleaguegrad
Nothing changed except most of what you wrote,
LOL...that's obviously a pattern with you.
The truth does not change.
You wrote that you searched multiple properties
morning, noon and night for 8 days, looking for MDawg.
Which 8 days was that?
Send a trip report about your stay at MGM.
Just two observations. You refer to yourself as an Ivyleaguegrad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivyleaguegrad
In your post at WOV you didn't know the difference between loose and lose. I don't think I ever in my life confused the two words, not even during middle school, let alone after completing college. I would be utterly mortified if a post that I made anywhere at any time were published with such a grammatical error in it, I'd never allow it to get to the point of being posted.
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I really don't want to get into it with you. From your text that CoachBelly did not give to me until just today, you don't sound like a bad guy. But in my opinion if you were a stand up guy, you'd honor what you proposed, versus trying to get something that you didn't propose. Good luck, and good night.
YES. I stated more than once that Wizard could record it however he saw fit. Then ExpectedValue came in with yet another proposed term, which was that everything Wizard recorded be turned over to him, which as everyone knows and agrees was never a term of our challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Welcome to hell (I mean this forum), Ivyleagegrad. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivyleaguegrad
Since you are here, can I ask what was the intent of your proposal? To me you were offering a little incentive to both Wizard and Mdawg to get this meetup and witnessing of a session of play done.....a regular normal session that Mdawg has described in his great "fantasies". I don't want to speak for you, but am I interpreting that wrong?
I think the mistake made was to tie some money to the session being observed as a winning session. that changed the dynamic and took it away from witnessing a so called normal session of the great fantasy, to doing whatever necessary, small token bets that don't match what Mdawg has described, just to win that additional money. Once that occured these guys, meaning Mdawg and his army of trolls and sockpuppets just kept pushing and changing, knowing you would have to pull back. That is what Mdawg wanted all along. Comments?
Have your conversation with EV, he's here using another screen name,Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
which he didn't previously disclose or bother to use to post here.
He's obviously been monitoring this forum, but never posted until tonight.
What's your point above?
Are you asserting that a wife is required for a man to father children?
There you go making shit up again, and presenting it as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Mr Ivyleaguegrad (with elementary school grammar) made all the changes.
The parakeets are more like the Gang of Four I have mentioned before, jbjb, UNKewlJ, AxelAss and MrV.
Mission146 did miss a few aspects of the challenge and got some other things wrong, but otherwise he made a good go at it. Although sometimes REDietz is closer to the mark, this time REDietz missed most everything and came up with wildly bizarre interpretations with little more than a free wheeling, Marx Brothers approach to the reality of what actually happened in this challenge, or what happens at a Baccarat table.
Here are his intentions as stated on March 27...Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
See what I mean?...that contradicts what he posted on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivyleaguegrad
The truth does not change.
I recall some posts ExpectedValue made at WOV to the effect of that he was willing to just sit at my Baccarat table and bet exactly what I bet. (I have SO many real world friends who are fighting each other for the chance to do the same, but I just don't want the pressure or responsibility for their bankrolls.)
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However, once this Challenge fell apart, ExpectedValue also posted a bunch of posts at WOV where he now attempts to ridicule or at least question my claims and session reports.
This does not compute.
Some of your most attentive supporters have been censored.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
But the neutral observers on WOV all support you in this dispute.
I take this as a compliment. jbjb and Axelwolf are two of the top AP's on this forum, who like myself, who I don't consider a "top" AP, we all play for a living and understand the math and how casinos work. Now MisterV, not an AP as far as I know. Do you do any APing MisterV? BUT, he understands the math and how casinos work like the rest of us. He just enjoys donating his money, apparently. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
And then there is a guy, the guy who's thread is the #1 thread in the LOSING BETTING SYSTEM section at WoV. Hum??, Who is more credible? :confused:
ExpectedValue, Have fun talking to the parakeet UNKewlJ. As you already know, no one likes the UNKewl one, everyone ridicules him and calls him out for being a serial liar.
I comment occasionally about his shortcomings in general, but stopped responding to any of the repetitive nonsense he posts, long ago. He is obsessed with MDawg.
We don't have an emoji laughing hard enough for this one. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
By "neutral" do you mean all the sockpuppets and alternative personalities that reside in Mdawgs head, all typing on the same computer, using VPN's, which Wizard has conveniently decided to look the other way and allow?
There is only one thing that Mdawg has succeed at. Mdawg set out to make a mockery of WoV and a joke of Wizard and he has accomplished that.
Everyone knows you are reading every word I write. You can't answer legitimately, so you call names and pretend you are ignoring, but you are not. Everything about you is pretending. You are completely detached from reality!Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
BUT you have the #1 thread in the LOSING BETTING SYSTEM section at WoV. I'll give ya that. :cool:
No, I am not an AP: I play for fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
About twice a month I gamble at Chinook Winds and Spirit Mtn. tribal casinos.
I've gambled in Las Vegas maybe ten or so times, the last being about three years ago.
I am interested in pretty much all things related to Las Vegas and casino gambling; I enjoy gambling forums; been posting for a couple decades.
I started with craps as taught by John Patrick's books; over time I also picked up an interest in playing a couple specific slots in high limit rooms.
Not because I had an advantage, but because I thought and still think it is a fun form of recreation.
Yes, I know the math, but I choose to play these silly games anyway; I'm quite comfortable financially so I can afford to play and lose and not worry about it, so long as I keep the lid on going tilt.
My life time overall loss is about sixty-six thousand dollars, which when averaged over the course of twenty years is less than what I would have spent on tobacco and alcohol, had I not stopped smoking and drinking.
I've nothing to "teach" anyone about the finer points of gambling, as I am more of a student than teacher.
Thank you for asking.
And that is ALL fine and good. Every word of it. Congrats on your perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
My point was, you understand the math and how casinos work, and what rings true and what rings as BS, so your name on Mdawgs list, I consider also in good company. Of course that is kind of the point. ANYBODY that understands the math and how the casino industry works, MDawg is going to have a problem with, because it conflicts with his twilight zone, alternative reality.
It's not a big deal. Nothing would take away from the point that you weren't required to agree to anything that wasn't stated ahead of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I mainly felt that, even with the introduction of the new term, (if what side you bet wasn't disclosed) you still had everything to gain and the EV loss on your play would remain more than covered. Let's not forget that you offered to meet the Wizard for free (at one point) and he could watch you play...my initial impression was that the introduction of money was just to get Wizard to do it. It seemed you were going to let him watch and report on the results of one session's results without outside money involved.
As far as when Banker commissions are or are not paid, that could be kept track of as it is done. Either way, nothing would have to be disclosed other than what the bet amounts were, the results of those bets and the total paid in Banker Commissions. It's beyond me why you would care about the individual bet amounts being disclosed (not just recorded---also disclosed) as long as what side you were on wasn't mentioned.
Anyway, as I said, you were under no obligation to accept an adjustment to the terms after the fact---so don't get my position on that confused. What does confuse me is why you wouldn't try to middle ground (like with what I said above) the new terms since not only is it +EV for you, but you also come out looking good regardless of winning or losing the session.
(This post may also be copy/pasted to WoV, depending on how the thread over there is going.)
I support that he was under no obligation to accept the altered terms. That said, I don't understand why he wouldn't with a modification or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I just got tired of ExpectedValue's constant input of new terms. Enough was enough, and as well the dichotomy of his stating that he wanting to play with me and mirror my exact bets and then occasionally inputting comments that implied that he didn't believe my session reports made me question his over all motives. But as I have stated above, I somehow don't get the impression that he is a bad guy, and would rather just leave that subject alone. In any case, that ship has sailed and the DarkOz one assumed its position in port.
You misspelled his name its supposed to be DrakOz, why the sudden change ?
So the super wealthy Dog, who called Drakoz every name in the book, now is kissing his ass ( bite the hand that feeds!) for peanuts according to his supposed net worth. Once again things are adding up. Darkoz is such a fucking bozo, for going along with this. Anything for attention a big shot. You guys are very similar in the narcissistic department.
I Like DarkOz, but I have to agree with you on this. This is very idiotic, I dont care if you have more money than God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
It doesn't get to the bottom of anything. MD is just going to have his Daddy put up the money for him to play.
I would think with all your time, knowledge and circle of friends you would be far too busy destroying Casinos and taking their money to care about some guy posting on the internet under the name of MDawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Wasting all this time on MDawg while you could be spending it with your wife and loved ones.
Guess she doesn't matter as much as the Dawg.
Keep your mask on and stay six feet apart from others while you get your monthly Covid Shot.
And don't forget to go out and target practice once in awhile since you now actually own a firearm.
What do you get if you prove that MDawg is wrong and or a phony?
Do they give you a gold star or a cookie???
I like cookies.
There are plenty of things people criticize me for on spending my money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI Like DarkOz, but I have to agree with you on this. This is very idiotic, I dont care if you have more money than God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
It doesn't get to the bottom of anything. MD is just going to have his Daddy put up the money for him to play.
I get a ten cent comic book from 1954 in the mail and my girlfriend asks if I spent the cover price of ten cents and when I say, "No, I spent $1400 on it" she gives me that look.
I just spent $1500 on a stereo, anamorphic scope super 8mm print of Star Wars in pristine condition. My kids think I am crazy. "Dad, don't you own this on Blu-ray for $20?"
I spend my money as I see fit because I can and perhaps because I was homeless for a while, money doesn't have the same desperate allure. If I lost all my money tomorrow, I have been there, done that. I can survive. Unlike many people who would just jump out the windows of their high-rise.
Anyway, you and MDawg talk about five figure watches (Do they even tell time? And more accurately than my cell phone whilch even adjusts automatically for daylight savings time?)
The wisest way to spend your money is to spend it the way you want. And bedamned what other people think of it. Because everyone has their tastes.
I personally am psyched about seeing this challenge go forward. And if it doesn't I get my money back and have made a dramatic point as well.
Oh I see now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
When it comes to spending money you believe like myself... don't tell me what to do.
However, when it comes to masks, covid shots and 6 feet apart you believe the Government should tell us what to do.
I'm with you on the homeless, writing and money front.
Just don't agree with your idealism on calling people racists, politics and a few other things.
At least when you have been hypocritical on this site you admitted that you were being a hypocrite.
I'll give you that much.
Whatever.
It is your money and you can indeed spend it anyway you want. Personally, I would be psyched if this challenge was going to prove anything about Mdawgs level of play and style of play. Unfortunately the way this challenge was set up and you took over, it doesn't really do that. There should have been no bonus money for winning a session. That encourages him to just milk a small win once he gets ahead and that proves nothing about his normal play or normal level of play, as told by the great storyline. It should have been a normal session of play and see if he wins and the level of bets. That would have been some insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
It is like a side challenge different from Mdawgs so called regular play. It is like if someone claimed to be the greatest basketball player alive, you would want to see him in a actual game. And this challenge is about shooting foul shots. But I hope you get your money's worth and enjoy it. And I give you credit for jumping in to save the challenge if it is important to you.
I also have a very different attitude about homelessness. I too have been there. I have worked hard to put that far behind me and I never want to go back. And you have kids. Maybe you can survive, can they? I just don't really get a comment like, "If I lost it all tomorrow..." If you are willing to go back so non-chalantly what was the point in fighting so hard to get out of that situation? But to each his own.
I went to WoV to see what was up with this challenge. Didn't see anything on the first page. Looks like DarkOx isn't getting his moneys worth in attention that he was seeking.
I saw you asked earlier but I was out and couldn't answer. I will try now. Are you familiar will Mdawgs claims, of winning every session of baccarat? What is it 55 straight now? Even more if you go back to past years. Well on this trip, about a month, his wins have 5k, 8k, 10k range, I think one day 15k. Some days smaller, digging out of a hole, but all wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
So Mike announced it was time for Mdawg to "put up or shut up and show Mike his play", so Mike could see what he was doing. If he is actually betting amounts he says, we all suspect a progression, which he claims it isn't. So the original thing was for Mike to witness his play. Then Mdawg and his cohorts, belly and a couple sockpuppets that support him, came up with this demand that anyone who wanted to see Mdawg play had to deposit 50k. So that basically ended that and Mike backed down from his demand that Mdawg show him.
So last week along comes this new proposal where expectedvalue was going to put up $2500, $500 for Mike for his time watching Mdawg play a session and $1000 to Mdawg and a second $1000 if Mdawg had a winning session. So that changes everything. It no longer is about Mdawg showing a normal session of play. If he gets ahead at any time, he can just slow play lower limits, to that extra $1000. It just in no way represents what was initially discussed, which was Mike witnessing Mdawgs normal play that he claims to win everyday.
I forget to mention. Part of Mdawgs claim is that he gets comped month long stays at high end suites at Bellagio and Venetian (is that the two? or is Cosmo in there). Month long stays! in addition to his winning every day. He claims his average bet is $1200, which is why Mike wanted to witness an actual session to see if it was. Instead we get this contest that satisfies none of it. This contest as written, just won't answer any real questions about the actual play.
Easy 5 bones for Rusty and HUGE + EV with little risk for dog. Hope you get your moneys worth you rube !
How did I do Ozzy? Did I get the jist of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
This will prove squat, its comical people are getting excited for this bogus "challenge". I'd rather donate 2500$ to a WORTHY CHARITY then those 2 bozos.
Never donate to Charity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
They use the money to pay bills and pad their bank accounts.
Give that money directly to some needy individual.
Don't get me wrong... do what you want and how you want.
I just hate giving money to some organization where the individual who needs it sees about 2 cents on the dollar.
Basically MaxPen, 1 of 2 things is going on.
1). If Mdawg is playing the amounts he says and getting comped month long stays at high end suites, then he is not winning every day or winning at all overall. There is a lot of losing going on that he is leaving out of the daily reposts and claims.
#2, is Axelwolfs theory and seems a little more out there, although, Axel may be spot on. Axel is convinced Mdawg has no real money, isn't the person getting the month long stays, and playing as described. Axel thinks it is a family member or friend, probably his father that is getting all these things and is the big player (likely losing player), and Mdawg is just posting reports and pictures as if it is him. And I know that sounds a bit off the wall, but I wouldn't bet against Axelwolf. He is very convinced.
I agree, I was just stating that giving to any charity, makes way more sense, then this non sensical bullshit. Adding gas to the fire both guys are completely undeserving of any kind of compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetNever donate to Charity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
They use the money to pay bills and pad their bank accounts.
Give that money directly to some needy individual.
Don't get me wrong... do what you want and how you want.
I just hate giving money to some organization where the individual who needs it sees about 2 cents on the dollar.
Who's going back to homeless non-chalant?
$2500? Trust me I am nowhere near being homeless over that amount.
My point is simply money doesn't have to be hoarded as some people seem to think. Go out and spend sometime and it should be on what you want.
As for the government control of our lives, don't they?
They tell us what medicine we can take, what money we have to report, the list goes on.
If my spending $2500 on this challenge was going to further the spread of Covid then yeah, it should be stopped.
You guys are funny with comments. "Oh so you like Apples but don't like Oranges. What a hypocrite".
Government don't tell me shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
I live outside of society.
On second thought... perhaps on the fringes.
That's some of the best advice I've ever seen on VCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Why would you want to give some trust fund baby your money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
What is Mike's observations going to prove?
You might as well send that douchebag doctor some money too....lol
Holy Mackerel! Did I just read Mdawg lost yesterday? It was a long post and I am trying to skim on the go, but it looks like he lost 10k. Of course now for the first time he mentions a loss rebate that will kick in. Interesting....loss rebates usually are for a trip, not a session ever since Don Johnson. But then again, Mdawg is anything but normal. He is very "special".
The timing is a little to convenient. Nice cover play.
Well yeah there is that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
Well, first the guy is not permitted to win...now he is not allowed to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
I'm just kidding; I might have sent a PM to someone that might have said, "I bet MDawg reports a losing session prior to the meetup." I said a week in the PM, but that's because I thought the meetup would be sooner.
(That person is free to confirm if he sees this post. If I am challenged, I will ask him to confirm.)
Yeah, lots of us have been expecting a reported losing session for a while now. For one thing it would end the comments at WoV by Sabre who chimes in "congratulations of your xx winning session in a row", after every report of win. ;) Short, but very cutting. Highlights the insanity. So reporting a loss ends that. Also reporting a loss now, acts as cover if he can't win when being observed by Shackleford. So yeah, this surprises no one.
But it does reveal something else, and I probably don't have time to get into it as deeply as I would like right now. But I will touch on it. This loss, which he claims to have dug out of a deep hole, but still fallen short. along with several other descriptions from this trip where he took out second markers and dug all the way out, along with a report from last trip or last year when he lost, I don't know, 20 some k, at one location, walked across the street and won the exact same amount back, all indicate 'chasing losses', which is a natural part of any progression wagering systems. You have to bet bigger to recover losses. And often times you do and can. But the times you continue to lose when betting bigger, you end up with a massive loss that wipes away all the smaller wins and then some. THAT is how a progression works! Everything about this guy points to a progression wagering system, and yet he claims no.
If someone were to really watch him play a number of sessions, this progression system, which can not win long-term is going to be very obvious. That's what some of us wanted to see with Wizard. Unfortunately this current challenge about to happen, doesn't provide for that. This is a side bet, really having little to do with how Mdawg claims to play.
Progression wagering system, you don't say? I've been preaching that it's a system all along. Just because you're looking for chops and streaks doesn't mean that you're not also employing a betting system (even if it doesn't have strict rules) simultaneously.
That's why I said that the number of wins in a row was conceivable, based on what I read. Or, at least, not even close to impossible.
I used to say, "One of these days people will start listening to me about stuff," but I'm smarter than that now. Nobody cares and nobody will ever listen to reason. Very few people are as naturally neutral as I am, also.
Yeah, I mentioned this in #6805 of the WoV thread. Well, pardon the sacrilege, but even Jesus had a couple of bad days prior to Easter.
The good part of this is maybe the trip reports will be toned down out of the cartoon-land stuff, and MDawg will begin posting semi-believable accounts. I think it had gotten into the realm of caricature, of self-parody, and I don't think that was his aim. I think if he's trying to convince anyone that his LV excursions are profitable, toning it down was definitely the way to go.
To put the alleged 50-some in a row stuff in context: assuming he's using some martingale-ish progression roughly limited to a 70% or more chance of winning a session due to table limits, what he reported was the equivalent of taking a seven point favorite in football on the moneyline, and winning 50-some consecutive games. Yeah, it's not impossible (that's coach belly's line).
And I'm Batman.