Sure, it's a profit for the moment.
But if she's like the rest of us, those winnings will make their way back into the maw of the casino sooner or later: more likely sooner than later.
Still, nice hit.
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Sure, it's a profit for the moment.
But if she's like the rest of us, those winnings will make their way back into the maw of the casino sooner or later: more likely sooner than later.
Still, nice hit.
Quick props to my girlfriend, who wrapped up her college football record in the Linemasters Contest at 50-23 against-the-spread. Tomorrow, the final day of the contest, she has five NFL games. The worst she can finish is second overall.
With two games yet to be played, she won the LineMasters Contest. She won all three NFL games this afternoon, boosting her overall ATS record to 53-23. She finished on a 24-4 ATS run the final five weeks, with two games still on the docket. It was like watching Usain Bolt sub in for somebody the final 220 of a two-mile run. It was the best close I've seen in 40 years of handicapping.
Congrats to your girl, Red. What prize did she win?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
RedietzQuote:
Originally Posted by FABismonteCongrats to your girl, Red. What prize did she win?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
LOL -- yeah, here's a typical conversation. She ranks the games (required for the contest) from six to one. She puts San Diego State -20 versus New Mexico as a six. I say (yes, verbatim), "I don't really like San Diego State as a play. And I sure don't like them as a six. The worst this can be is 34-10." Well, San Diego State's backup tailback breaks a 60-yard run on third-and-eight with four minutes left, and San Diego State wins 35-10. She looks at me, laughs and says, "I was right," meaning her, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnisRedietzQuote:
Originally Posted by FABismonteCongrats to your girl, Red. What prize did she win?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Got my 5th royal of the year last night. It was kinda bittersweet in that, I was playing dollars the entire session but was losing. Switched to quarters and hit royal within about 5 minutes. Oh well, such is gambling. Cashed out and went to bed a winner.
Congrats Dannyj!
Never apologize for hitting a Royal. At least you were playing all five coins.
FAB
Put that shit on the fasted speed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
Thanks FAB.
Axel, I generally prefer to play at the medium speed.
I just joined this forum and haven't read too many posts. I have been skimming through some threads and backtracked this one a bit. This forum is good for the AP in general from all of the misinformation. I actually think this quote and many others are good for APs or Pros or Hustlers or whatever you want to call them. I remember reading an article years ago that Alan wrote about telling players that you should not fall for the 100% BS machines in Vegas because you do not have the time to put in the required hand count to make every hand to get that 100% or better. I was with a fellow friend at Sams Town actually when I was reading it. I have known this person and we have lived in Vegas for 26 years now. We both had a good chuckle at the article and both agreed that it does not matter about hand count when playing VP it only matters what the payouts are. I agree that hand count and getting large amounts of coin in will eventually bring you ahead of the game but it does not matter if you are playing 1 hand or 10 million hands. If you are playing the game at 100.76 return with perfect strategy or even basic strategy you are playing a Full Pay game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I suppose it is different for me since I play long hours almost every day and recently in the last 15 months or so I haven't been on anything that has been over the moon. I can break down the last 3 big plays I have found and the members on here that know me from WoV have most likely read the story already so I will keep it short. A little over a year ago a Casino in Vegas was bought out and they were running some really good promotions 3 to 5 days a month. I was actually playing reels during the promotion period and you could earn 9000 points to max out for the day but it took me a couple days to realize they let you go over and use the points each day. This means you could bank all the points till the next point day. So on the promotion day you could earn 11x to 16x points with no max. At that time the card was worth .25% so on an 11x day you were getting 2.75% added to the game and the game was 97.5% return. The promotion added another 3% and you kept the points. So without counting mail, comps and other extras you were playing at 103% to 105% just to push the button and spin the reels with only the top jackpot to slow you down. Needless to say I was playing constantly on those point days. I also had another player helping me. After it was all said and done I earned apprx. 125 per hour per machine just spinning the reels. This went on for months and I only seen one other pro playing during the daytime. I only played at night from around 8pm to 8am. I tried to tell others about it but they didn't have much interest. One known player did get on it for the last two months and was telling me how good it was. I was telling him I have been telling you about this for 4 months and now your telling me how good it is?
Before that I spent a couple months at another Casino that gave FP DB 100.17 from the jump and added a 3k bonus to quarter royals if you hit two in 24 hours. I played an average of 15 hours a day for over a month at that place and ended up over 20k for the month. I was close to up 30k when I gave up on the play when they changed the promotion.
Right before that DT had a promotion on double royals and other goodies that netted me close to 100k playing hours upon hours daily. This took playing almost every day for a year or so.
This doesn't even factor in the plays years ago when FP machines were everywhere and the club was just giving away the money.
I guess my point is that players who tell you the only way to win is to leave with the money when your up have never been in on an ongoing promotion just basically picking up free money every day or have never played on machines that are giving you a point glitch or running crazy bonus coin promotions. Of course you do need to have time and the more hands the better with proper play. However on some plays it gets really silly how good they are that even the ploppies can crush the game playing poor strategy. I will agree that you need hand count and time. I have always said things start to break right at 100k coin and IME I have never seen the numbers go wrong after a million coin in. OTOH hand they might know all about this but don't want to share the information and instead post false information to dissuade players. I can see that. I mean just Robs post about Cash Back and Mail and Promotions have nothing to do with winning is an interesting example. That is crazy talk in my mind.
I suppose things are different with me as well in that I have no "agenda" in my posting. I am not trying to get anyone to sign up to my website or read my book or anything like that. I am not trying to get street cred to get on a team or find partners. I am just sharing personal experiences of my last 20+ years in Vegas and I suppose some of it is gratifying my Ego.
Interesting Side Note... I seen Alan hit the Jackpot at Sams Town for 21k and some change and took the big photo op. I was the player who hit the one prior on that same bank for 24,985 but I didn't take the photo op. I did post the pic on WoV for a short period. The difference is that I was playing on point days and only certain amount of coin in. I wasn't just falling into the game after some fun playing Dice.
Monet, Alan posts false information alright but not to mislead anyone about strong plays. He actually believes the stuff he writes about winning and losing.
Monet, it was nice of Sam's Town to award you an extra 7 cents.
I suppose it depends on how you look at it. I don't like the fact they rob you of 55 dollars every time you make a straight flush. I hit 3 of them so that is 165 dollars they keep. I started on that bank playing on point days and everyone knows that you max out of 10k coin in but you can spread that play out wide. So I started on that bank around 24,300 or so. I ended up playing over a 2 week period and put in just over 14 hours. I was down 9200 or so when I hit it with an 80 dollar tip I came out ahead in cash around 15,200. The win was more so in the card with points, mail, comp and what not. However anyone in this town knows that Sams Town is not a very good place to play anymore. They got pretty upset about getting crushed on the Young At Heart Promo and they basically took almost all the 100% + plays out. Not that they still don't have some playable machines... they just have really cut up the value. I live close by so it was nice to play there 10 to 20 years ago but you really don't have good reason to play with them since they converted all the mail together now with Boyd in Vegas. I prefer Fremont or Cal by far over them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Although, the Fremont pays to the penny... no rounding up 7 cents on those jackpots over there!! One thing you should remember when you play with Boyd if you do not know... you should always go ask the host or slot manager for a Comp within 24 hours of your play. This is a bit stronger when you show a loss since you can get a larger comp. It doesn't hurt your comp in my experience to ask for a pack or two of cigarettes either when you play each session. You can get up to two packs max per day when you play over 2000 coin in for the first and usually 10k of coin in is strong enough to get 2 packs depending on what property and who is working. I don't smoke but I know people who do. Personally Boyd is a little different in each property but it doesn't hurt to ask for things and it is always better if you can show a loss. They don't give me any problems these days but when I would just play smaller coin in they would give me a hard time when I hit jackpots. They were always willing to give me anything if I was showing a loss.
Anyone who knows knows that this is called a courtesy comp. I also find that if your Hawaiian or Asian they treat you a little nicer at these DT properties as well. My wife is Asian and they are always nicer to her compared to me being a Gweilo.
Cool, thanks for the tips. You must have been in heaven back when they (Sam's Town) had ace line OEJ. I heard it got burnt out pretty quick though.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetThey got pretty upset about getting crushed on the Young At Heart Promo and they basically took almost all the 100% + plays out. Not that they still don't have some playable machines... they just have really cut up the value. I live close by so it was nice to play there 10 to 20 years ago but you really don't have good reason to play with them since they converted all the mail together now with Boyd in Vegas. I prefer Fremont or Cal by far over them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I missed that one. I think your talking about Ace Invaders One Eyed Jacks or some game similar to that. A friend of mine was hooked on Multi Strike when it first came out all over town and other cities as well. I seen him hit 3 and 4 thousand dollar jackpots and run right over to MS and dump it all back. He loved that game... he was really hooked on that Multi Strike Super Times Pay and played it a lot at the El Cortez on point days. It took them years before they decided to change the pay tables. I tend to play more straight forward boring games that don't have as much variance. I never play Ultimate X or games like that... I don't even take the time to vulch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I just meant in general that Sams Town for a very long time was a very good place to play FP VP or a bunch of Progressive VP and the card was good and mail and all that. It is safe to say that all over Vegas it was like this and they just got smarter and had enough of players having the edge on them. However, just in Vegas alone in the last 3 years players have had enough good things and continue to find plays but I just think it is more difficult and just for instance think about the Stations Casino... they put an individual camera on every kiosk and we all know why they are tracking that don't we?
As I noted before in the last 3 years we have had things like:
Double Royal Promo
6 Swipes for 3 Glitch
3k Chase The Royal Bonus
Young At Heart (Free Money Run 80 Card Promo)
These weren't that long ago and I it always seems something always comes down the pipeline next. I think the most important thing is to not get 86'd or No Mailed.
Yes, there's always great stuff in the offing, especially as more and more casinos get built.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI missed that one. I think your talking about Ace Invaders One Eyed Jacks or some game similar to that. A friend of mine was hooked on Multi Strike when it first came out all over town and other cities as well. I seen him hit 3 and 4 thousand dollar jackpots and run right over to MS and dump it all back. He loved that game... he was really hooked on that Multi Strike Super Times Pay and played it a lot at the El Cortez on point days. It took them years before they decided to change the pay tables. I tend to play more straight forward boring games that don't have as much variance. I never play Ultimate X or games like that... I don't even take the time to vulch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I just meant in general that Sams Town for a very long time was a very good place to play FP VP or a bunch of Progressive VP and the card was good and mail and all that. It is safe to say that all over Vegas it was like this and they just got smarter and had enough of players having the edge on them. However, just in Vegas alone in the last 3 years players have had enough good things and continue to find plays but I just think it is more difficult and just for instance think about the Stations Casino... they put an individual camera on every kiosk and we all know why they are tracking that don't we?
As I noted before in the last 3 years we have had things like:
Double Royal Promo
6 Swipes for 3 Glitch
3k Chase The Royal Bonus
Young At Heart (Free Money Run 80 Card Promo)
These weren't that long ago and I it always seems something always comes down the pipeline next. I think the most important thing is to not get 86'd or No Mailed.
Wow, Ace Invaders OEJ, that's insane. Anyway here is the game I am talking about:
First royal of the new year. Once again on quarters after getting off dollars.
Please don't show me the strategy to this game. It will give me a headache just thinking about having to master it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayYes, there's always great stuff in the offing, especially as more and more casinos get built.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI missed that one. I think your talking about Ace Invaders One Eyed Jacks or some game similar to that. A friend of mine was hooked on Multi Strike when it first came out all over town and other cities as well. I seen him hit 3 and 4 thousand dollar jackpots and run right over to MS and dump it all back. He loved that game... he was really hooked on that Multi Strike Super Times Pay and played it a lot at the El Cortez on point days. It took them years before they decided to change the pay tables. I tend to play more straight forward boring games that don't have as much variance. I never play Ultimate X or games like that... I don't even take the time to vulch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I just meant in general that Sams Town for a very long time was a very good place to play FP VP or a bunch of Progressive VP and the card was good and mail and all that. It is safe to say that all over Vegas it was like this and they just got smarter and had enough of players having the edge on them. However, just in Vegas alone in the last 3 years players have had enough good things and continue to find plays but I just think it is more difficult and just for instance think about the Stations Casino... they put an individual camera on every kiosk and we all know why they are tracking that don't we?
As I noted before in the last 3 years we have had things like:
Double Royal Promo
6 Swipes for 3 Glitch
3k Chase The Royal Bonus
Young At Heart (Free Money Run 80 Card Promo)
These weren't that long ago and I it always seems something always comes down the pipeline next. I think the most important thing is to not get 86'd or No Mailed.
Wow, Ace Invaders OEJ, that's insane. Anyway here is the game I am talking about:
I've never found this one (ace line) in the wild Mickey. The 100.28% game (no ace line) is around though. IMHO the strategy for the 100.28 game was worth learning (I'm pretty sure the ace line version is even more complicated), so if you change your mind, let me know (if you have a running copy of Wolf Video Poker [not to be confused with Frugal VP] you can generate it also for the non-Ace-line game). I'm not sure a human being can play the strategy perfectly - I certainly can't anyway (but close enough to achieve my free play and comp objectives), maybe others here can.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I seen the 100.28% game in Minnesota this past spring. I think that's where arci plays the game. WVP deactivated off my computer. I tried to contact Jim Wolf, I have before, but no response. Then I heard he went out of business. So I'm back down to Frugal. It's executable so I have it backed up. Is your WVP executable?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI've never found this one (ace line) in the wild Mickey. The 100.28% game (no ace line) is around though. IMHO the strategy for the 100.28 game was worth learning (I'm pretty sure the ace line version is even more complicated), so if you change your mind, let me know (if you have a running copy of Wolf Video Poker [not to be confused with Frugal VP] you can generate it also for the non-Ace-line game). I'm not sure a human being can play the strategy perfectly - I certainly can't anyway (but close enough to achieve my free play and comp objectives), maybe others here can.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's executable (yes I do have it backed up, thanks), but the way the security is setup, anytime you transfer it to a new computer, you need to go to Jim's activation center to activate it on the new computer (and deactivate it on the old) or it won't run. Since Jim is out of business, my copy will no longer run (my hard drive crashed on my old computer) on my new computer since I can't go to the activation center to activate it because the activation center and website no longer exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI seen the 100.28% game in Minnesota this past spring. I think that's where arci plays the game. WVP deactivated off my computer. I tried to contact Jim Wolf, I have before, but no response. Then I heard he went out of business. So I'm back down to Frugal. It's executable so I have it backed up. Is your WVP executable?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI've never found this one (ace line) in the wild Mickey. The 100.28% game (no ace line) is around though. IMHO the strategy for the 100.28 game was worth learning (I'm pretty sure the ace line version is even more complicated), so if you change your mind, let me know (if you have a running copy of Wolf Video Poker [not to be confused with Frugal VP] you can generate it also for the non-Ace-line game). I'm not sure a human being can play the strategy perfectly - I certainly can't anyway (but close enough to achieve my free play and comp objectives), maybe others here can.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
This will shock many of our current forum members. While you're all arguing abut the WOV forum and attacking each other, and insulting each other with words and titles I won't repeat... there are people who really go to casinos and really gamble.
I'm attaching a photo of a dream video poker hand. It's not mine. I wish it was mine but it was sent to me by a former member who was chased away by the obscene talk here.
Take a look at what this lady hit on a Super Times Pay machine and then you can go back to your bickering. Eat your hearts out. It was a 25-cents royal with a 10X multiplier. I already ate my heart out.
And like you, probably STILL in the hole lifetime.
And unlike you she has a family and a house and a life outside of casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
But honestly... you can't say congratulations? Must your pursuit of the 0.1% edge control your entire life?
Just who in the frosty hell do you think should be congratulated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
You, for posting it? (that would be a bold demand, even for a confirmed attention whore such as yourself)
Your friend, for sending the pic to you?
The lady who actually pushed the button?
To simply post "congratulations" here would be as meaningful as a fart in a hurricane.
Only losers are envious of other peoples success. Yes Alan, you have proven yourself a loser once again.
Sorry. I guess I got excited that someone had a nice hit.
Congratulations Melissa. Thanks for sending the photo. I'm sorry the forum changed.
If she hit 18 royals in a row: that would be worth congratulations.
No, you didnt get excited she hit it, you were trying to push some buttons. Thats why you made this comment "While you're all arguing abut the WOV forum and attacking each other, and insulting each other with words and titles I won't repeat... there are people who really go to casinos and really gamble." Just more of your anti AP BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
There are at least 4 members here that hit big jackpots frequently but they dont feel the need to post them. People have posted Jackpot pictures online and that lead to their full name being exposed by matching it up with the casino's websites and whatnot. Also, some unknown lurker might get some ideas in their heads if they see big Jackpots. Not to mention, other AP's might be able to track down what location you are frequently playing.
I got a Video of some old lady using a magnifying glass to play VP. I wanted to post it because it was funny as hell. Unfortunately, you could read the name of the casino on the card reader advertisements.
We have more than a hundred pages of jackpot pictures on this forum... and then the WOV boys showed up.
A dream hit! They took that game out where I play. I was paid over $500 for a full house and double for a royal 3 years ago. Fun game- but when it was off, you could also lose a lot. Also, an extra quarter bet ($1.50 instead of $1.25) per hand to activate the multiplier.
And what is it that the "WOV boys" have done to discourage people from posting up pictures?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Could it be that people just end up going broke, perhaps they got the help they needed and stopped gambling?
Perhaps they owed some faimly members money and decided to pay them whats owed instead of gambling.
Sure they're cool to look at, but in reality, they're meaningless. No different than the thousands of slot machine videos on YouTube where these people seem to "never lose." We all know though that for every one video they post of their "big win", there are hundreds of more videos they make where the losses are just much much bigger!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAnd what is it that the "WOV boys" have done to discourage people from posting up pictures?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Could it be that people just end up going broke, perhaps they got the help they needed and stopped gambling?
Perhaps they owed some faimly members money and decided to pay them whats owed instead of gambling.
JB--there are large numbers of casual gamblers who are thrilled to hit that jackpot. Whether they are winners or losers over time doesn't matter. It is a hobby or a diversion and they want to have some fun, and winning a jackpot significantly adds to that fun.
You can only look at it from a professional viewpoint.
My hobbies, other than gambling, were mostly sports. While I hated to lose in any sport (I was the guy that ran through walls and dove on concrete, etc.), it was fun, win or lose. One of many reasons that I stopped playing craps was that as a job, it was no longer fun. What I once loved to do as a diversion became a chore when it became my job. So I'm sure you have things that you do for entertainment---gambling is just not one of them.
Let the poor lady have some fun.
I'm all for them posting the pictures. As I said, they're cool to see. Just don't lie and tell us they make you a profitable gambler.
The problem with looking at jackpot pics is the same as the problem recreational gamblers fall into when they hit a jackpot: it reinforces the gambling urge.
Seeing that it is possible, the player goes forward thinking that lightning can strike on the very next play.
The reality, of course, is that there is not a whole lot of lightning to go around.
Most of the casual gamblers I know are smarter and more sophisticated than you describe. They have no expectation of winning and just want to have some fun.
You may have read more into it than intended.
I am not saying they EXPECT to win; I am saying they HOPE to win, and having seen others win (including themselves) only serves to help reinforce the notion.
Given the math involved those are false hopes, at least in the long run.
Regnis it seems to me that the concept of having fun escapes the APs. It's all work and a business to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
If you want to be miserable at a business at least pick a business where the markups are bigger and benefits are included.
You need to take a break from anything and everything related to casinos including forums. You're not having fun anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Ever pick up one of those brochures in the casino that's titled "When The Fun Stops"? That's you and Axel and jbjb and kewlj and a lot of other people. The fun has stopped. Get out.
Who's miserable? I love what I do. I'd HATE to be in your shoes.
Since I'm 66 now you wouldn't want to be in my shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
MrV isn’t an AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonYou need to take a break from anything and everything related to casinos including forums. You're not having fun anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Ever pick up one of those brochures in the casino that's titled "When The Fun Stops"? That's you and Axel and jbjb and kewlj and a lot of other people. The fun has stopped. Get out.
If I didn't enjoy it, I would get out of out. This should apply to any other form of job or employment as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonYou need to take a break from anything and everything related to casinos including forums. You're not having fun anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Ever pick up one of those brochures in the casino that's titled "When The Fun Stops"? That's you and Axel and jbjb and kewlj and a lot of other people. The fun has stopped. Get out.
WTF kind of dope are you taking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I gamble on average a couple times a month.
Get a fucking clue.
Mr. Mendelson, might I remind you, who had an immediate family member come to this site and lambast YOU as a degenerate gambling addict. Telling us how your addiction interferes with you ability to pay your debts, but some how you still have money to gamble. Your own son told us all how your gambling addiction has strained family relationships, with him, your daughter, grandchildren and I am sure the numerous women in your life that don't stick around long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
He went on to tell us how you are broke most of the month which is why you post on websites 24/7, but come social security and pension day, you make a beeline for the casinos.
You have the audacity to suggest that anyone else has a gambling problem? Even if there was a shred of evidence to that statement, the hypocrisy of you, likely the biggest degenerative gambling addict on this site, suggesting it of someone else, just confirms your status as this sites biggest asshole and loser.
However there is zero evidence that suggests your accusations are anything but the rantings of a seriously disturbed and bitter old fool. AP's are not problem gamblers....well not a problem for anyone but the casino industry. :cool: AP's are the complete opposite of yourself and other degenerative gambling addicts. We are in control at all times, extremely disciplined and know what we are doing at all times. Oh and one other difference... we win! And of course that continues to be the root of all your bullshit hate and bitterness towards AP's.
You really are a twisted, old, bitter, fuck.
66 isn't old.
My dad just turned 92; now that's old.
Kewlj you're in total control. As long as you're collecting +EV losing thousands of dollars is perfectly okay.
One day I'll tell you the other side of the story... not.
Sounds like Alan, with his failing business, is and has been jealous of APs for a while now. I mean, gambling for a living is kind of a sweet gig, and it sounds a million times better to the person who doesn’t know how it works than to someone who actually does it. It’s fun, to a degree, but it’s still work — still gotta put in the hours and it’s not always fun. To someone else who’s not an AP, they just think, “Wow you get to go to a casino, sit down at a slot machine, and make money! And that’s all you do? I wish I could do that. Please tell me which slot machine is good to play”, as if playing is all there is to it.
So yeah, Alan’s jelly.
Please don't explain anything to me Alan, because you have no idea of any side of any story. I don't need someone that has no understanding of things trying to explain anything to me. You certainly have no clue about +EV or advantage play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
So here is another one that will blow your mind Alan. Yesterday was a 2 shift day for me. I have been putting in a lot of play over the past couple months. Both shifts were pretty decent winning shifts for a total of just $13,400. But you know what yesterday was really worth to me? $575 in EV (accumulated EV) that I collected for the day. The rest was just fluctuation or variance. Just the same as an $8500 losing day is really worth whatever EV I collect, not the negative fluctuation or variance that occurred. It is the accumulated EV that will matter at the end, not these single day meaningless monetary fluctuations.
So there you go....have fun with that one. ;)
EV=abstract;
Wins/Losses=concrete.
The latter is a function of the former, over time.
U+1Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMr. Mendelson, might I remind you, who had an immediate family member come to this site and lambast YOU as a degenerate gambling addict. Telling us how your addiction interferes with you ability to pay your debts, but some how you still have money to gamble. Your own son told us all how your gambling addiction has strained family relationships, with him, your daughter, grandchildren and I am sure the numerous women in your life that don't stick around long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
He went on to tell us how you are broke most of the month which is why you post on websites 24/7, but come social security and pension day, you make a beeline for the casinos.
You have the audacity to suggest that anyone else has a gambling problem? Even if there was a shred of evidence to that statement, the hypocrisy of you, likely the biggest degenerative gambling addict on this site, suggesting it of someone else, just confirms your status as this sites biggest asshole and loser.
However there is zero evidence that suggests your accusations are anything but the rantings of a seriously disturbed and bitter old fool. AP's are not problem gamblers....well not a problem for anyone but the casino industry. :cool: AP's are the complete opposite of yourself and other degenerative gambling addicts. We are in control at all times, extremely disciplined and know what we are doing at all times. Oh and one other difference... we win! And of course that continues to be the root of all your bullshit hate and bitterness towards AP's.
You really are a twisted, old, bitter, fuck.
Yeah this one is really idiotic. Most of Alan's game playing agenda is idiotic but this takes the cake.
We are barely a week removed from 'the blow up' in which his own son comes to the site lambasting Alan as a degenerate gambling addict and how Alan's problem gambling has interfered with not only his ability to pay his debts, but has interfered with many of his personal relationships with family members, including grandchildren. Alan then has the balls to suggest that some of the AP's of this site have a gambling problem. These are people who apply mathematics and discipline to make a living from the casinos!
I have tried to give Alan the benefit of doubt, over and over and over, but no more. Alan is a degenerate gambling addict who is bitterly jealous of players that play with an advantage and actually make money. There is no daylight between Alan and Singer. They are both bitter, old, fuck degenerate gamblers angry as hell at those that actually make money through legitimate mathematically based advantage play. Both delusional. Both living in an alternative reality fantasy world.
How can someone with the name Money Man be the same person you are describing??Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I agree with KJ. The only person here where there is verifiable proof of someone having a gambling problem is Alan. He has verified the authenticity of the person posting as his son by not questioning his credentials as he stated.
So there we have it. For anyone else on this board we can just "suppose" that they are problem gamblers. But we have one that has been identified.
Whether he owes his son money or not can be questioned. But it seems alans gambling has been a destructive force for his family. And THAT is a major box that is checked off for problem gamblers.
So I dont think we are here to judge alan or mock him for fucking up his families. But if he is casting the first stone and pointing the finger at others ,,,,then the gloves can come off and all is fair.
Its funny. Things were dying down as far as his son's posted content and comments about it.....and now Alan himself reopens in a way that obviously would gain attention.
Mr V called him an attention whore.....well this brings his attention seeking to a sick level. He purposely re-draws attention to his sons posts by charging other posters of being problem gamblers. An obvious way to open the door back onto his own problem gambling that was exposed here a week or so ago.
Ya know, it's sort of funny.
Based on my years of viewing alan's posts I'd gotten the idea that he was quite solvent financially.
A long time career in journalism, a bit of fame, then his internet business after he got to be too old for TV: coupled to his ongoing posts about gambling in Caesars for amounts typically higher than minimum, this all led me to that belief.
Now based upon his son's expose' I find out that isn't so; what a disappointment.
Alan must not have any good real estate investments or else he'd be living in a house in So Cal, not an apt. in Las Vegas.
He's referred to having to pay alimony to at least one of his ex-wives: OK, but that excuse can only take him so far.
There seem to be no brokerage accounts, either: the complaints of his son about how his old man lives hand to mouth and paycheck to paycheck show that isn't so.
No, it seems he's pretty much broke as a joke.
"Money talks, bullshit walks."
If this wannabe gambling god doesn't change his ways and damned soon I see Alpo in his future.
*Arf!*
That's where you are wrong. We have fun winning, especially knowing we have an advantage while doing it. Then we have fun counting our winnings, it's even sweeter knowing you had an advantage. It's a great feeling when you are on a play where it's almost impossible to lose and on top of that you run way better than expected and or you hit some jackpots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonRegnis it seems to me that the concept of having fun escapes the APs. It's all work and a business to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
If you want to be miserable at a business at least pick a business where the markups are bigger and benefits are included.
Yes, I still get happy when I get A jackpot or when I am winning. When I hit somthing, do I act like you did in that very embarrassing video? Hell no.
No, It's not that fun when you have a losing play/day/session but we have the piece of mind knowing we had value and things will work out eventually(sooner rather than later, depending on what kind of plays you go after), as long as we keep finding good +EV situations.
The worst part of AP is knowing there's always a chance the casino will fuck you somehow.
Fucking is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What's wrong with fucking?
Billions do it daily.
Fuck or be fucked, it's all good, isn't it?
What axel says isn't entirely true. AP's by nature and by & large bring their own troubles to their play. At the lucrative Revel promo for instance, every AP who got thrown out or had his promo play nullified thought they were going to outsmart the casino, but they all got caught breaking or illegally manipulating the very clear and explicit rules that were available for every customer to review and understand. Yet predictably, we saw some of these people moan and whine on WoV about how they got "cheated" and immediately the armchair sheep and others on that forum jumped up and supported their lies and spin.
And this is just, as I said, an example of a long list of fabrications by the AP community. But there are also I'm sure, a good many ap's who neither pretend nor complain, and they play by the rules and accept the bumps and bruises, because they know better in their "long run". I teamed financially and in other ways with one for Revel, and he returned with an $8k profit without the need for the free-play because he agreed to play my strategy before going.
It is what it is, and it is what you make of it....not what you make up about it in an effort to enhance perceived capability.
. Show me a copy of the rules, please. The rules didn't cover all angles. I would agree, some things are just implied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Not every AP there engaged in shenanigans. I did not myself. I did warn a group that they were being watched and creating attention. They disregarded my advice and got fucked. There we some others who took out a line of credit knowing the casino might catch on and used that as levrage.
we played somthing and beat the promo without ever having to collect one rebate. Of course, they shut all those machines down after they got hit hard.
There were a few people who got fucked by the casino. We had someone that the casino attempted to fuck who did absolutely nothing wrong. He simply played the $100 slot going for the variance. After some jackpots, they renigged on the comps that were promised and 86ed him. There have been many promotions and machines that were played 100% within the rules and yet the casino refused to pay or honor their promo. There have been many times where gaming agreed the casino was out of line and ruled in the AP's favor. I have only had gaming rule against me once. They only did that because the bar was about to be in a world of hurt.
From another forum member who will not post because of the environment here. Dealt.
Too bad, Dan, these former members won't post on their own. One card held.
Why don't you post them up in the Jackpot thread? I got dealt AKQJ of spades on a 10 play the other day. Almost a dealt seq. I made like 3 fiddy on the hand. I just deleeted a bunch of jackpot pictues off my phone the other day because they were interfeing with me looking for more important stuff.
You are obsessed.
Oh, this is the JP thread NVM.
This is the Jackpot thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Here's another one sent to me.
alan, why in tarnation would someone be sending you pics of VP jackpots?
Don't APs share info? Well, we -EV players like to share jackpot pictures. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Here's another one I got last night. I envy people who play this game. And holding only a single ace! There was a time the forum members would congratulate the player for the nice hit.
I've never played that pay table and I guarantee that I have more money in my pocket by not playing it that that person does by playing it, even after those aces! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Jbjb I don't know the paytable. But it is Triple Double Bonus and from what I know about the game the pays that I do see are right for the game.
Are you confusing it for Bonus or Double Double Bonus?
Four aces with a kicker that pays 4,000 coins is TRIPLE Double Bonus.
I emailed the player about the TDB game about the paytable and when I get his response I'll post it.
That’s 9/5 TDB.
Yes, with a 97.02% expected return.
Gosh that's horrendous. I'm going to email him right away and tell him to return the $4,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
No need to bother emailing him Alan. The return of that money is already built into the model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonGosh that's horrendous. I'm going to email him right away and tell him to return the $4,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
Yep. Guaranteed that person has lost much more money on that game then they've won from it, including this latest AWAK. I'd rather not play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNo need to bother emailing him Alan. The return of that money is already built into the model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonGosh that's horrendous. I'm going to email him right away and tell him to return the $4,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
As jbjb wrote "Yep. Guaranteed that person has lost much more money on that game then they've won from it, including this latest AWAK. I'd rather not play it."
That's why this thread is dead.
Alan, have you ever tried to become an AP?
Yes, I understand there is little if any viable AP opportunity in your chosen game, craps, but VP can be viable, and you do play that game.
What about BJ back in the day: did you ever try to become a competent counter?