Tbf I thought AIDS was in fact the story you were going with, but that may have been Rob being naughty.
Otherwise the demerits of your story are of course well-trod ground not worth revisiting.
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Tbf I thought AIDS was in fact the story you were going with, but that may have been Rob being naughty.
Otherwise the demerits of your story are of course well-trod ground not worth revisiting.
I'll tell you something else too. I don't think I often brag. I know some of you take things I say as bragging, when it really isn't. It is just a 20 year AP sharing some experiences. But I am going to say, I am probably one of the best card counters that lived and played Vegas in the last 20 years. (sorry Zenking, but I have been at it longer than you). If there is/was someone even as good as me with as much longevity, I would know because I run into the Vegas based card counters regularly. And there is only 1 or 2, I have seen that have been at it as long as me, playing the levels I play. The one I would be really interested to know more about is an Asian lady I have run into probably 7-8 times.
I have a right to share my experiences. To share what I want about what I do in a very specialized area of advantage play (which in itself is a specialized way of making a living). I am sorry if that agitates some of you.
This forum is a bunch of sick dudes refusing to accept what is staring them in the face because of some weird bias about someone. Again, get over it and grow the fuck up.
Uh huh.
You're mostly BS kew and you dont like that you aren't fooling anyone, so you do what any ADHD-inflicted loser in life does: keep wasting your time trying to convince everyone else of your worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
From all your AP reading you had to have run across the chapters and posts that address why true and successful AP's do not spend the better part of their social life arguing with people online and blatantly lying & making up stories while getting caught in the process....then trying to wiggle out of the humiliation of it all with the pathetic "I did it to PROTECT myself" baloney. And they certainly don't mess around with the gay "I like to share my experiences" or "hey guys! wait'll you hear THIS one--it'll knock your socks off and REALLY convince you's that I'm the real deal!"
You are the joke.
(Fake baby bro is too).
REAL APs write BOOKS that make up stories to HIDE they are an AP !!!!!
Hahahahahahhahaha
Ooooohh banahahahaahhaha
Hahahahhaha
<rolls around on the floor some more>
Hahahahhahaa
It’s a pity AccountInQuestion’s post was deleted because he crystallized exactly who and what UNKewlJ is (and also clearly what he is not, too). It was VCT at its finest for getting down to its core.
There was no "blazing up", magic tricks, nor puppetry needed. Wizard was very clear about what he saw that day. He saw a guy play bacarát for about 45 minutes and win a small amount of money. Absolutely NOTHING remarkable about that. It happened every hour of every day at every casino. Just like you will see people win short-term at roulette, and blackjack (playing without an advantage) and every other casino game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Wizard also stated in no uncertain terms that he saw nothing, absolutely nothing that would indicate any kind of long-term winning or advantage. Mike wasn't "allowed" to keep that conclusion up, as it apparently violated a gag order he inexplicably signed, but for about an hour, he was crystal clear as to what he saw. And it wasn't what Mdawg has turned it into for the last 7 years.
Now just imagine if Mike had stated something like I saw Mdawg play for 45 minutes and he won a small amount, which satisfied the free roll wager he was involved in, and I (Wizard) can say Mdawg is doing something very unique at an advantage that would explain all his claims of winning. I mean WOW, that would have been a feather in Dawgs collar and would have ended everything and prevented everything that has occurred for 7 years.
But, Wizard actually said the opposite, which is why Dawg did everything in his power to not allow Mike to say what he saw.
And by the way, it wasn't a mistake that Mike revealed what he did for about an hour before Dawg threatened his to take it down. Mike felt so strongly about it that he intentionally violated the agreement for as long as he dared.
There is plenty of criticizing for Mike agreeing not to say what he was in the first place (he was duped), But he did as much as he could to actually reveal what he saw and has told numerous people privately.
Dawg is NOT controlling Wizard like a puppet. He is simply paying Mike and showering him with gifts. I suppose you can make an argument that is an advatage play (+EV) on Mike's part.
If you could splain that you might not be perceived as just another old man without a family....bbbbut you have a, wait for it, a "GIRLFRIEND"! Hahahahahahahaha:)Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Is this just your theory, or is it a substantiated (or unsubstantiated) accusation?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It's easy to tell when you're lying kew--it takes you too many words to try and get your concocted point across. A liar who's just never sure enough he's convincing anyone of anything, so he keeps on going until he hits his saturation point. . That's you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThere was no "blazing up", magic tricks, nor puppetry needed. Wizard was very clear about what he saw that day. He saw a guy play bacarát for about 45 minutes and win a small amount of money. Absolutely NOTHING remarkable about that. It happened every hour of every day at every casino. Just like you will see people win short-term at roulette, and blackjack (playing without an advantage) and every other casino game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Wizard also stated in no uncertain terms that he saw nothing, absolutely nothing that would indicate any kind of long-term winning or advantage. Mike wasn't "allowed" to keep that conclusion up, as it apparently violated a gag order he inexplicably signed, but for about an hour, he was crystal clear as to what he saw. And it wasn't what Mdawg has turned it into for the last 7 years.
Now just imagine if Mike had stated something like I saw Mdawg play for 45 minutes and he won a small amount, which satisfied the free roll wager he was involved in, and I (Wizard) can say Mdawg is doing something very unique at an advantage that would explain all his claims of winning. I mean WOW, that would have been a feather in Dawgs collar and would have ended everything and prevented everything that has occurred for 7 years.
But, Wizard actually said the opposite, which is why Dawg did everything in his power to not allow Mike to say what he saw.
And by the way, it wasn't a mistake that Mike revealed what he did for about an hour before Dawg threatened his to take it down. Mike felt so strongly about it that he intentionally violated the agreement for as long as he dared.
There is plenty of criticizing for Mike agreeing not to say what he was in the first place (he was duped), But he did as much as he could to actually reveal what he saw and has told numerous people privately.
Dawg is NOT controlling Wizard like a puppet. He is simply paying Mike and showering him with gifts. I suppose you can make an argument that is an advatage play (+EV) on Mike's part.
I talked to wizard, actually several times. Your version of events when mdawg didn't chicken out of meeting up with anybody, like you, is quite different than what really happened. Is this any different than basically ANY of your stories?
There is this perception that I am jealous of and go to war with winning gamblers. NOTHING is further from the truth. I LOVE winning players! That is players doing something to play with an advantage and win long-term. I have never gone to war with any real AP that is doing something where the math works. Not Axelwolf, NOT mickeycrimm, NOT Zenking. Nor any other real AP using real math. I am not jealous of any real player. I am thrilled for them legitimately beating the casinos.
About the closest was Moses, because Moses claimed he was making a living playing blackjack in Reno and it wasn't the math that didn't work, it was the ability to get money down for any length of period that could result in that "making a living" at that particular location. And in the end, he admitted he made about 100k over 10 years. (10k a year). If he had said that at the start, we would have never had a problem and I could have even made some suggestions on how he could improve longevity....although Reno...I don't know if you really can increase longevity very long.
The people I go to war with are people that the math doesn't work or of late with this dawg person, making statements like the casinos don't care and allow him to win. You know.....bullsht claims. :rolleyes:
If someone makes claims that the math works and is the way the casinos and casino industry works, I will never say a word, even if I don't believe them or think they are severely exaggerating. Case in Point: Seedvalue.
So that is all. Have your claims work, mathematically and the way the casino industry operates. is that really too much to ask?
I don't want someone claiming a 5% advantage from card counting like the guy at Norm's forum. I don't want someone claiming they are rainman and can win as much as they want and the casinos don't care. I don't want someone claiming they make massive amounts in reno or Wendover or some place that you can't make millions. And I don't want anything Rob Singer. That is all made up.
Have your story work! That is all I ask. And if you have to start out by having a gambling math expert sign an agreement to not say what he saw.....your story doesn't work. :cool:
Another thing I will admit is that I am a little biased favorably towards "professional" advantage players. That would be people that make a living off their advantage play. There is no rule that advantage play has to be professional. (make your living from it). And it is ok, people that have some other income and do some sort of APing part-time.
BUT guys that do it full-time, make a living from it have gone through something others haven't. There is always a period, usually earlier in your career, when you go through a losing period, and we don't have the luxury of taking a break, and just going to our day job, when we build up some more BR ect. We HAVE to fight through and come out the other side. Can't really explain it, but if you are not "all in" playing for a living, it is something you never have to go through and going through that, and that is part of what makes a "professional" player.
I am sorry, but guys that go to work 5 days a week, while doing some part-time advantage plays and call themselves advantage players are kind of "posers" in my book. :rolleyes: Shades of a weekend "cowboy".
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
On the one hand you admit / concede in your hypothetical that they are in fact "doing some part-time advantage plays," then in your next breath you call them "posers."
Riddle me this: if they are already successfully pulling off advantage plays, as you concede, what exactly are they "posing" as?
Gambling gods?
Cocktail waitresses?
What?
Look, these guys are doing gamblng the RIGHT way: they have a real job to pay the bills and gamblie for shits and giggles, but with an edge.
THAT's how to do it: get rid of the variance that full time AP necessitates; have health insurance, a 401-K and the financial security of a regular income to let you easily ride through losing streaks.
Which is not to denigrate full time, successful AP's: that path is for but the few.
What's this, did somebody finally wise up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
After all these years, Mr V has suddenly experienced an epiphany.
MrV, I am sorry if you feel I have slighted you. There is nothing wrong with part-time AP. And you don't ever try to pretend or present yourself as anything other than a part-time player. But there are some that do. And if you are going to work 5 days a week and talk like you are some great advantage player beating the casinos, well...there is something missing. That is just my opinion. I look a little differently at people that have really gone through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
On the one hand you admit / concede in your hypothetical that they are in fact "doing some part-time advantage plays," then in your next breath you call them "posers."
Riddle me this: if they are already successfully pulling off advantage plays, as you concede, what exactly are they "posing" as?
Gambling gods?
Cocktail waitresses?
What?
Look, these guys are doing gamblng the RIGHT way: they have a real job to pay the bills and gamblie for shits and giggles, but with an edge.
THAT's how to do it: get rid of the variance that full time AP necessitates; have health insurance, a 401-K and the financial security of a regular income to let you easily ride through losing streaks.
Which is not to denigrate full time AP's: that path is for but the few.
You have made it when you can deal with that variance involved and still pay your bills. Still make a living. It is something that you and others have always given Zenking shit about, but he has done it. It is a member of an exclusive club...players that make a living off casino play. That is all.
Probably makes me a little AP snobbish, but I am just being honest. I look a little differently at the group of APs that make a living especially for a number of years off casinos and their AP play vs weekend warrior type APs. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I don't expect any other real professional type APs to come to my defense. I am just telling you how I feel.
Chill out, coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Unlike most of the posters here I am not ATTACKING KJ, I am simply DISAGREEING with him and asking him to explain his thinking.
Ah, there's the rub: in your mind a part time, successful AP shouldn't brag about beating the casinos...even though they do?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Does not compute.
AP is AP, whether full time or part time: isn't it"
If not, why not?
Why shouldn't a part time AP be permitted to truthfully brag about having an edge and beating the house?
FWIW I am NOT an AP, I'm just chasing negative expectation games with a pocket full of both cash and hope.
We are not on the same page here V. Part-time APs are absolutely allowed to share experiences including bragging if they want. As I have said many times I even enjoy reading trip reports and accounts from pure recreational (-EV gamblers).Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVAh, there's the rub: in your mind a part time, successful AP shouldn't brag about beating the casinos...even though they do?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Does not compute.
AP is AP, whether full time or part time: isn't it"
If not, why not?
Why shouldn't a part time AP be permitted to truthfully brag about having an edge and beating the house?
FWIW I am NOT an AP, I'm just chasing negative expectation games with a pocket full of both cash and hope.
I am just saying that to me, there is something a little different between a fulltime AP that makes a living for years from his AP play and weekend warrior type APs, that come Monday morning go back to a computer programming job. Are both APs? sure (if they are playing with an advantage). But there is something different about them. One has sort of skipped a step in the AP journey of being "all in", and everything that comes with that.
ummm....BTW, same with a player, AP or not playing with Daddy's money. :cool:
Let me state it this way. Every real professional "all-in" AP has gone through a period where we put our money on the table, and when we lose, we come back the next day and put our money on the table again, and when we lose we come back the next day and put our money on the table yet again (That is called variance BTW) and we have to trust in the math and know that eventually we will win, or we don't pay our rent or eat next week. Deep down THAT is what being a fulltime AP or gambler is.
Now the weekend warrior, the consequences for him are that come Monday morning when he heads back to his computer job is maybe he doesn't have money for his starbucks coffee that week until Friday (payday) rolls around. :D
And while for most of us those days are long in the rear-view mirror (if they aren't you are doing something wrong), it is still embedded in us and part of what a real "professional" AP making a living off casinos and play is about.
I guess I just get a little tired of some of the attacks from these Weekend warrior types that don't know what it is to be a real professional player making a living off casinos and your play.
Notice how many words and posts it takes for kew to justify his lying.
MrV is correct: an AP is an AP, whether full time or part time. Kew doesn't like it because it doesn't fit his concoction nor his lies. And just like REAL full time and part time AP's, none of them either brag about what and how they're doing what they do, and they have no need to discuss their "experiences" online like kew is addicted to doing as a result of his fairytale.
Go back kew and re-read how Dan has undressed your BS in front of everybody. And he didn't need an MS in computer sciences to do it.