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It's a single joker game.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
I'm not trying to get you to say anything, I'm just asking questions...you answer them any way you choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
I understand why you are nervous about getting tripped up, that's because you don't always give straight answers.
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Originally Posted by RS__
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Originally Posted by coach belly
So a short period of play is all day? Is that the upper limit of short, or next will you be claiming that it could be some days,Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
several days, many days, weeks, months...or forever because it's really all one session with pauses?
Is there any way to win any session without quitting (ending the session) when ahead?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
These people who've won every session...they quit all sessions when ahead...isn't that correct?
Are these people who have won or lost every session playing a +EV game, a -EV game, or does it not matter...it could be either?
It's hard to give straight answers to vague questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
A session is however long it is from when you sit down to play until you leave. To say a session is always X minutes isn't accurate. Sometimes I play for a few minutes, sometimes I play for damn near the entire day. It depends what I'm playing. A RF progressive might be 1 hour or it might be 20 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Yes and no. If I know I'm going to get $500 in freeplay for my play, for instance, and the session ends at -$50, then it's both a win and a loss. I'd consider it a loss, since I actually lost. If I got FP immediately then the session wouldn't end until I played off the free play.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Yeah, if you've won every session, then every session you've quit when ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
It could be either. I don't think there are very many of these people....and most likely they've only played a few sessions. For instance, every session of Pai Gow Tiles I've played, I've won. Every one. (Only played it 3 times though.) I did not have an advantage in PGT though.
I think DJ posted that picture...IIRC it was $11,800 or so when he hit it. But yeah, I was playing it with another AP as well (3 of us total). It's a good meter move indeed. I think we sat down around $7k RF. As great as 3%+ is on VP...it's really not that great, especially because it only exists periodically and can't play it non stop. If that was the base game, IMO, it'd be much better. I'd rather have a play I can make a lot of money on over time, not one that's only good for a short period of time. Honestly, it's probably one of the worst "legitimate" plays currently (aside from the stupid shit at Boyd or somewhere where they might give 1-2% back in gift cards occasionally......but I don't really consider that a legitimate play....no money to be made and a pretty small advantage, too). I'd rather spend my time on the 7-10%+ stuff. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
So if you hit a win goal and leave, your session has ended and you have won for that session.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
And if you continue to do that for every session, then you will continue to win...regardless of whether the game is +EV or -EV, as players have won every session playing a -EV game.
So to assert that, if you play an -EV game then you will lose, is incorrect?
You are not guaranteed to lose, especially if you only play a few sessions. But, the more hands you play, the higher the probability becomes of being a net loser (doesn't matter what your strategy is, quit when ahead or whatever). Of course, some sessions don't ever provide the opportunity to leave when ahead (because the player is never ahead). Over time, there comes a point when it's highly unlikely the player be ahead (which is different for every game).Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
That's basically a very stupid statement, and all I can believe is coach has rattled he great RS__ into doing so.
There's no such thing as because you're ahead on a 99.2% game after your first session, then you can eventually expect to have that profit and more snatched away by "the math".
Anyone can figure out that if you won w/o extreme good luck today then you can win tomorrow. Who cares about and big deal that you're playing a theoretical 99% game vs. a 105% game! That doesn't at all mean a thing, esp. when you admit that any player at any machine at any time is doing nothing more than playing within a smidgen of the life of the machine. And just because AP's want to think the +EV machines have more of these "smidgens" that are positive than negative, they absolutely know those beliefs are false.
I'm thinking about holding a class on how to Wise Up.
Anyone going to your class will only get more stupid!!
You're a jealous loser and pissed we've exposed your con.
You react just like the whiny liberals do.
waa....waa
I'm thinking that this is the class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Coach, you're just as much as a dumbfuck as con man Rob. If any of you jackfucks knew how to make money in a casino, you lazy fucks wouldn't be here asking questions.
Ha! And there you have it----the anonymous genius gets caught and exposed, and the result is he comes apart at the seams!
Must hurt double after watching his "AP pal" RS__ getting undressed.
So who's the pretend girlfriend, jbjb? :)
Jbjb just one time show these guys some proof of your big winnings. Just once. Show them a photo. Or a W2G or a screen shot of a win/loss report. Or something that will make Rob shut up with envy. Just one.
You know how this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
> Idiot asks for proof.
> Someone gives proof.
> Idiot says "that's not proof" or "how does that help me at all?" or something else.
Please. I promise NOT to say "that's not proof." Just give us ONE thing.
It's in storage in New Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Gee... Rob has posted lots of photos and then there were the reports in Gaming Today. Give Rob credit for that.
I would just like to see ONE, just ONE big win from the APs.
Just ONE.
What's the point? If I or anyone else posts a picture, someone will say I took a picture of someone else's machine or I found it online. No I ain't posting a pic of a W2G (not that a W2G can't be faked anyway). Plus, even if a big hit is verified to be someone's, it doesn't mean they're a net winner, an AP, or anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...21/#post574823
Talking about the pic I posted, not BBB's quoted pic. I mostly like that one because it was on a shitty paytable (8/5 DDB), but the play was very strong (22% advantage on $5 VP), plus -- it's AWAK. IIRC, the alternative was 9/5 TDB, and I didn't care for the significant increase in variance. If only I knew we'd hit AWAK twice and 2-4's w/a kicker several times.....if only.... :(
Your many royals and deuces at the wizards forum will do JBJB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
RS__ very nice wins but I am surprised you played those games. Those plays seemed to go against your AP creed.
You mentioned a 22% advantage on the $5 8/5 DDB video poker. Explain that please.
Let's see....RS__ is as afraid of being told to post pics or shut up as the liberals in Wash. are of Donald Trump continuing to do what he said he would do while on the campaign trail!
There is no doubt in my mind that these two hacks were sent here by the foreign owners of the Wizard's forum as a type of counter-measure to what they've seen as disruption over there by Alan's consistent but irritating common sense questions and rebuttals. And it remains very clear from the numerous RS__ & jbjb anonymity-laced proclamations, that they are nothing more than mateless, armchair gambling hacks, who might even pick their toes in-between posts like Evenbob does out of boredom with their loner lives.
So how about some verifiable pictures guys. How about....umm....how about posting something along the same lines as what I did in June--you know, pictures along with the accompanying W2Gs that show us your names??
Are you feeling empowered right about now----or are you two weasels squirming?
If I were ever unfortunate enough to meet you, you'd be the stupidest person I'd met. And I've known some pretty stupid people (one guy in college tried reheating a slice of bread in the oven, on a paper plate, at 500 degrees or so, for a half hour).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
We were playing a promotion. I'd rather not explain, as the promotion may return (or show up at a different property.....which it sorta has, except it wasn't as good).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Rob, did you ever track down the names of the three world class mathematicians who verified your system? I've been waiting four years for this stuff, as I have some friends who were in the graduate math program at Penn State.
Alan, I'm a little surprised at this line of reasoning. You're an investigative journalist. You know the value of anecdotal evidence. Somewhere between zero and almost zero. Providing photos of wins without context is a worthless endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
RS__, while your effort at trying to portray someone who is using not posting or proving anything on a forum as a means of being "intelligent" enuf not to possibly be financially or otherwise "hurt", is momentarily stunning.....it also proves you're full of more BS than was originally thought.
All you're doing us showing how your gambling habit has you constantly living on the edge, which is why you find it necessary to make up stories about yourself that have no support. It also explains your envy over my successful VP career. My real name's been out in the public since 2000, and most people also know my book-writing pen name (that term's more education for mickey). Since then I've been lied about, trashed, mocked, praised, been on all sorts of media, had my personal life disected....and yet I've STILL won well over a million dollars directly from the VP machines, I'm in my 39th year of marriage, my children and grandchildren are all well & thriving, WE are still and thankfully very healthy, we are able to continue doing basically whatever we want whenever we want, and while I can't play at a few casinos, I know it doesn't matter because there are many more to choose from.
No part of all the lies or my info being public has changed anything about me, and the only people who fear that it will--or that it's "stupid" to give out info--are those who try to deceive.
It follows that if you knew how to make money in a casino, you wouldn't be here reading the questions and responding like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
A short while ago, you revealed that you did not even know how freeplay works...so you're a joke.
Now who are we to believe, the real life Sheldon Cooper RS, or the illiterate excitable boy jbjb?
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Originally Posted by coach belly
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Rob, you're just dead wrong on the last couple of sentences. If somebody finds a sports book that consistently puts out bad numbers, or is slow to move numbers, it makes zero sense to share that information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
If someone finds a sports book that does hugely positive promos. why share that information?
Most of the time, in fact, it is "stupid" (your quotes) to give out info, unless you're trying to be king of the frat house or it's important that you be perceived as some kind of alleged expert.
Why do you make these weird, all-in declarations that are clearly wrong? It really dilutes the credibility of the stuff you say that is insightful and correct.
You're confused red. My sentences refer to self-identifying along with proof-of-claim veracity in casino games, and not anything about sports betting errors by casinos. And BTW, this whole nonsense of "keeping everything secret" is nothing more than a statement that says "I win/you lose because I know things you don't and I can't tell you, well, just because".
If people were so protective of their "secrets" then it stands to reason that they in no way would be posting anything anywhere on the internet in the first place. Anything else constitutes deceit.
My error, Rob. I thought you were criticizing the APs for not spelling out particular plays. I stand corrected.
So, RS hit those jackpots posted because he's an AP?
I’m really starting to believe that guys like RS, jbjb, AxelWolf, and all the other self-proclaimed AP’s are shills hired by the casinos, to go from one gambling forum to the next, and just insist how there beating the shit out of them, so they could help create more compulsive gamblers looking for the +EV over the long run.
If there are any jerks dumb enough to listen to them, they won’t realize the long term +EV is reached until they gave all their cash to the casinos and their broke. Kind of like trying to convince WOV members to gamble off shore for the sake of the new promoters.
You guys should really start to pay attention to what you’re writing, cause you’re really starting to sound like disabled mental patients.
Why, do you self-proclaimed AP’s insist on visiting gambling sites, just to brag how you win?
Quite the contrary. Photos of jackpots tell us if players play big or just talk big.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Your posts are a big tell about why you can't beat gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Why are you here? If anyone is a mental patient, it's YOU. Just another jealous, sniveling, losing casino bitch you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
And shill for a casino?? If that were true, why would I suggest that people avoid -EV games and con men like Rob? You must truly be that damn stupid!!
If anyone is a shill, it's the idiots telling you to chase losses by betting more money, play wrong, play horrible -EV games (table or machine). I do NOT suggest any of these.
Redietz, you can find his "world class mathematicians" in the roulette forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I thought I made it clear -- hitting a winner isn't proof of being an AP, a net winner, or anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
APs visit gambling forums because, well, here's a bit of a shocker for ya -- we gamble for a living. I started posting on WOV to start networking with other APs (where I met AxelWolf & djatc). I continue to post there because I enjoy it, I can network with others from time to time, and every now and then something is posted that can benefit me, or I can ask for help in analyzing a play or doing math on something.
Hell, just the other day Regnis posted that he'll be getting two $500 MP's and was willing to sell them. Unfortunately the price is pretty high for my liking, and it certainly doesn't help that I've never met him before. But stuff like this has happened before....and I was happy to book the action for a price.
You deceived everyone with that bet with arci. You welshed the bet and didn't send your tax returns to Alan for one reason and one reason only. They would prove you to be a fraud. You were big and brave when you didn't think arci would come through on his end. But he came though and you ran and hid in the basement. Your alligator mouth overloaded your hummingbird ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I have to differ with this one point. What I am about to tell you may not work for someone else, but it worked for me about a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I had to make an unexpected trip to Vegas one night last week. After conducting business I went to play some craps at Caesars. About 12 hours later I left with a NET profit of $16,500. Some of that win came from video poker.
One thing I've experienced is that you have to be at the craps table long enough to catch the hot roll. Sometimes it's a long wait, and sometimes you get to the table just as the hot roll comes along.
Here's what happened last week:
I got to the table just as a new shooter got the dice. He had a moderately good roll, and so did the next four shooters and I was one of those four. While none of us five had a monster, ALL of us hit either the SMALL or the TALL bet. No one hit the ALL. I was always playing $25 on the Small Tall All so each time either the SMALL or TALL hit I was paid $875.
Before I knew it, I was up about $8,000. I went to video poker and I lost about $2,000.
I went back to craps and had another decent run and recovered the $2K I lost at video poker.
I went back to video poker and this time I had a very nice run and won a bit more than $8,000 (no royals).
I am now up a bit more than $16,000 and I went back to craps. This is where the lesson about "longevity at the table" is important.
While at the craps table I lost about $3800. And then with only about $200 in my rail, I bet on the next shooter who had a great roll. He only hit the TALL but he made lots of passes and I recovered not only the $3800 that I lost previously, but I also won about $300. Hence my profit on the trip of about $16,500.
Yes, I was CHASING MY LOSSES when I was down $3,800 (but still had about $12,000 in my pocket). But experience told me that cold tables don't stay cold forever... just as hot tables don't stay hot forever.
I also think it's the same at video poker. You just need the bankroll to be at the game to catch the trend that goes your way.
Once again....ONE GOD DAMN TIME DOESNT MEAN SHIT!!
This is why you guys still NEVER get out of the hole when it comes to casino gambling.
So, you chased your losses and won? I've also accidentally hit a hard 19 and caught a 2.....doesn't mean it's gonna work in the long run nor am I advocating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Grats on the 16k+ night.
In this case, I still had a profit of $12,000 in my pocket, but yes, I chased the $4,000 of profit that I subsequently lost at craps and I won it back plus a small profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
My point is that sometimes chasing losses can pay off. Again: hot tables don't stay hot forever and cold tables don't stay cold forever. You need the bankroll to be at the game to catch the money-making trends.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone understands the concept that it can pay off (you end your session with a win) by chasing losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Chasing your losses will work for some sessions, but certainly not all. Just like hitting a hard 19 will sometimes work and you'll draw a 2......but overall, both are poor strategies and you'll end up losing more money if you use those strategies.
You should know chasing your losses is a bad strategy, but you support Rob's strategy in that aspect. Why?
But this whole scenario goes against your pause while ahead strategy, Alan. Why didn't you quit when you had the $8000 craps win and walk out the door like you advocate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Alan, in my jurisdiction by law the max bet is $2 and the max jackpot is $800. You play much higher than I do. The difference is I grind out a profit and you don't. But if you want evidence of someone playing high then google Maureen O'Connor, ex mayer of San Diego, who took a BILLION DOLLARS in W2-G's but lost millions on the machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The big reason that big bankroll machine AP's don't play high, like $25 and $100 denom machines, is because advantage plays just don't exist at that level.
Actually I use a rising stop-loss system, not a definite win goal system like Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
When I was up $8,000 I was willing to risk half of that to win more. I lost $2,000 at video poker and then returned to craps where I regained the $2,000 I lost at video poker. Then I returned to video poker where I started to hit.
I hit quad aces at $5 Bonus twice, and hit quad 4s for $5,000 at $25 Bonus, plus two other quads for $3125 each at $25 Bonus. If I didn't have to return to LA I would have risked $4,000 of the $16,000+ again.
Once again mickey shows how out of touch with VP he is, and why he uses his tiny play in Montana as a cover for going to some slug bar and losing his welfare & food stamp conversion money every month.
"Advantages don't exist for the $25 & $100 player".
Tell that to your idol Dancer :)
Who's Dancer an idol to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
????
There is no mathematical advantage for playing at $25 and $100 (I've never played at $100) but when you do hit a big winner at those levels it does make up for a lot of losses. What really put me over the top the other night were three things:
1. Being at the craps table when five shooters in a row hit either the SMALL or TALL (those five bets paid $4,375
2. Hitting the small quads at $25 Bonus VP which paid $5,000.
3. Hitting quad aces twice at $5 Bonus, paying $4,000 total.
I don't recall Dancer actually discussing any high stakes advantage plays at these denominations recently. Unless you get Dancer's perks, which may include cash rebates on losses (we do not know, and he ain't telling), any non-Dancer player has no advantage at all regarding the plays he's executed recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If he plays a $5 machine at a promotion that awards drawing entries based on how many points he's accumulated, then it behooves him--and if course he knows this inside out--to play the higher limit machines in order to have a better chance of winning the top prizes. His "+EV advantage" just got bigger. Of course, he might lose a bundle like he usually does in these things, but his ilk ONLY looks at theoretical percentages--aka, phantom bucks--in order to justify his participation in such nonsense.