Alan Mendelson Going For The Jugular

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Originally Posted by coach belly

KJ has implied that Maxpen also paid for and found the same embarrassing info about Singer, and Max has been among most active "Cousin Eddie" insulters here.

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whoa, there coach belly. KJ implied. :D MaxPen has said he did. Whether he did or not, I have no idea. But he did seem to know the very same information. You know this stuff is public knowledge that anyone can look up. It was before my time here, but I am sure I read that Arci or Armedes or somebody like that looked into these same things. Again, public knowledge. Anyone that wants to know pays the $3 or $4 bucks. So the question is: why aren't you willing to pay the $3 or $4 bucks?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Coach belly: 12 times now I have posted I don't have any physical pieces of such information. It's not that I am unwilling....I don't have it!

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Then get it.

You're the one that claimed to have seen damaging or embarrassing info about Rob Singer that's available for a fee online. So pay the fee and let's see what you have been talking about for all this time.

Otherwise, your claims are equivalent to Singer's claims about you, which he claims to have found from an equivalent source.

As it stands now, Singer's claims about your personal life seem more believable than your claims about his.

Rob Singer on welfare or food stamps? Prove it.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

KewlJ, the one point that we have all heard a thousand times and I canno't fully grasp is the extreme small amount of barrings you have experienced in 15 years of playing in Vegas. We all know the story of you playing short sessions with a rather large rotation of casinos. You often enter and leave without buy in's and cash outs as well as playing for the most part unrated.

When you have often told various forums that you are often recognized by someone in the pit, but that you know you will be allowed to play because that employee knows full well that you will be leaving shortly and is not worth the trouble of barring you, in my mind that is beyond comprehension, especially when fifteen years are involved. I am asking everyone on the board does KJ's story stands the test of credibility?

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Sorry to come back to this BoSox. Someone just emailed me this point and I thought I would pass it along.

I live in the city that has the largest number of casinos in the world. Without counting, probably 100 casinos of various sizes with blackjack tables. Not all playable conditions of course. So I usually have 30+ casinos in my rotation at any given time. Some I only play twice a month, some 2-3 times a week, depending on size of casino and number of pits and tables. All of them I play for short session.

BoSox, who for reasons only known to himself, has seemed to have it out for me for several months now, trying to discredit me whenever he can. That is fine. Welcome to the club BoSox. ;)

So here's the question: BoSox can't "comprehend" how I can play a rotation of 30+ casinos, for short sessions, and achieve longevity for 15 years now.

BUT at in the same breath BoSox seems to have no problem accepting that Moses who BoSox has now aligned himself with, claims to play Reno and the very small handful of playable games, none which will allow for much play above green, for 30 years now. No bias their Bosox. Good comprehension on your part. That old noodle of yours is still going pretty strong. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Certainly his option to post it if he has it, or his choice to not post it.

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I'll be more direct...

Will you please ask your friend Maxpen to post whatever embarrassing, damaging, and verifiable information that he has on Rob Singer, so that we can put this exercise to rest?

He should verify the claims that he's made about Singer's personal life, just like KJ should.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Then get it.

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WFT? YOU are out of your mind. Literally! Who do you think you are demanding that I do this or that. You are a troll who plays internet "gottch ya" games. Nothing more. I have never seen you participate in any discussion worth while. But these type of discussions come up and you come roaring out of your hole.

You want the info, YOU look it up, fucktard!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Again, public knowledge. Anyone that wants to know pays the $3 or $4 bucks. So the question is: why aren't you willing to pay the $3 or $4 bucks?

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Because I am trying to establish your credibility in this matter...you said that you saw it, you said that you bought it, you posted it, so let's see it...from you.

If it's about the money, then I'm willing to go to $10 for you to prove it.

If I was to buy the info, and it is as you say, do you trust me to post it?

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Certainly his option to post it if he has it, or his choice to not post it.

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I'll be more direct...

Will you please ask your friend Maxpen to post whatever embarrassing, damaging, and verifiable information that he has on Rob Singer, so that we can put this exercise to rest?

He should verify the claims that he's made about Singer's personal life, just like KJ should.

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Don't do it Boz. Coach belly is asking you to encourage MaxPen to do something that is clearly against Dan Druffs newly posted rules. I would strongly encourage MaxPen not to do so, if he has such info.

By the way, I have further info about Singer that I have never revealed. Some of it additional info from these investigative sites ( I believe I used 2 different ones) and some of it from someone who contacted me personally, claiming to know Singer personally. That makes it sort of hearsay, I guess. Anyway I have never considered posting these things because it is against the rules here for one. Against the old rules of doxing and clearly against the new rules posted only 2 weeks ago. I am requesting that Dan weigh in on this.

Attempting to goad people into breaking the newly posted rules should be viewed the same as breaking the rules yourself.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Who do you think you are demanding that I do this or that.

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It was a suggestion, not a demand.

If you make accusations, then you should be willing to back them up, especially if it will only cost $5...what's the problem?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

By the way, I have further info about Singer that I have never revealed.

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Just like he has info on you.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Attempting to goad people into breaking the newly posted rules should be viewed the same as breaking the rules yourself.

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I would welcome Dan's scrutiny in this matter...contact him by whatever means you typically use to rat members out, and let's see where it goes.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Who do you think you are demanding that I do this or that.

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It was a suggestion, not a demand.

If you make accusations, then you should be willing to back them up, especially if it will only cost $5...what's the problem?

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What's the problem? For one it is against the newly posted rules! (sorry for the bold mcap, but this guy is dense. Asks the same thing like 10 times in a row)

And two, I don't want to. I don't feel all that good about having looked this stuff up in the first place.

Why do I have to keep repeating the same answers. I mean seriously...are you mentally challenged? You ask the question. I answer. you ask the same question. I answer again. You ask the same damn question a 3rd, 4th, 5th time. I am tired of answering.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The food stamp info isn't there any longer.

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This is the present tense.

When did you check, and were you required to pay another fee when you looked to see whether or not the food stamp info was still there?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I don't feel all that good about having looked this stuff up in the first place.

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How did you feel when you looked again to see if the food stamp info was still there?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The food stamp info isn't there any longer.

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I seems that you do still have access to the info...doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The food stamp info isn't there any longer.

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Were you required to pay another fee when you looked to see whether or not the food stamp info was still there?

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Yes. Most of these investigative sites have options when signing up, like 1 day for $4.99, 7 days for $9.99, 30 day for whatever amount.

I only signed up for 24 hours each time I did it.

I am going for a bike ride. Be back in a few hours. Coach belly, ask me the same damn question 5 more times when I am gone and I'll try to answer when I get back. :D

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Originally Posted by coach belly

How did you feel when you looked again to see if the food stamp info was still there?

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How did I feel a year and a half ago? I felt like Rob Singer is GOOOOOD! He managed to get the food stamp notation removed.

I think I was wondering why he didn't get the eviction and court judgements removed, or former addresses linking him to a trailer park in Pahrump? My guess is he tried, but couldn't. But that is only a guess.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by BoSox

KewlJ, the one point that we have all heard a thousand times and I canno't fully grasp is the extreme small amount of barrings you have experienced in 15 years of playing in Vegas. We all know the story of you playing short sessions with a rather large rotation of casinos. You often enter and leave without buy in's and cash outs as well as playing for the most part unrated.

When you have often told various forums that you are often recognized by someone in the pit, but that you know you will be allowed to play because that employee knows full well that you will be leaving shortly and is not worth the trouble of barring you, in my mind that is beyond comprehension, especially when fifteen years are involved. I am asking everyone on the board does KJ's story stands the test of credibility?

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BoSox, who for reasons only known to himself, has seemed to have it out for me for several months now, trying to discredit me whenever he can. That is fine. Welcome to the club BoSox. ;)

So here's the question: BoSox can't "comprehend" how I can play a rotation of 30+ casinos, for short sessions, and achieve longevity for 15 years now.

BUT at in the same breath BoSox seems to have no problem accepting that Moses who BoSox has now aligned himself with, claims to play Reno and the very small handful of playable games, none which will allow for much play above green, for 30 years now. No bias their Bosox. Good comprehension on your part. That old noodle of yours is still going pretty strong. :rolleyes:

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I am glad to be aligned with many of Moses ideas about gaming. As pertaining to what he has accomplished in Reno Nevada I never gave it a second taught. Why? He does not talk about it, because unlike you Moses keeps his business to himself. He has nothing to prove to anyone, he pays his own bills and just does it his way. Im sure the last thing he is looking for is any kind of adoration from anyone. You on the other hand canno't live without always being the center of attention, the king of drama.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The food stamp info isn't there any longer.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Were you required to pay another fee when you looked to see whether or not the food stamp info was still there?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Yes.

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When did you check last?

Considering that you've continued to post the accusations, it's suspect that you wouldn't either have saved or printed the info you bought, just to have its handy to back your shit up when the time came.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by BoSox

What the hell is good about someone "who is an as you say about yourself still an active player" who is the only dipshit on blackjack forums writting successfull annual reports every single year? Now considering your are playing in the same exact city as Zen King how the fuck is that helping him in any conceivable way? If you were really evualuated by someone who is a true professional he/she would say this guy is more concerned with self recognition above everything else. You have it all backwards. Your typical response to this complaint is always But I am proud of my self acheivements. You fucken moron we all are.

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Wait..What?

I moved to Las Vegas in 2009 to continue my blackjack career. Zenking moved here 2017. I think that is right. I didn't tell him to move here. I didn't encourage him to move here. At the time I wasn't even on any forum with him. He was at WoV, where I was banned a year earlier. I remember that because there is like 150 page thread (maybe 300 pages. lol) that went on for months about his planned move and then eventually about his move. I didn't participate in that thread because I wasn't on the forum at that time.

So Zenking moves to Vegas. Maybe the question should be: How does that help me? Another card counter in town is good for me? of course not. That is precisely why I would and never did encourage anyone of these guys to follow.

So Zenking moves to Vegas, I hope to pursue his dream, not to pursue mine. Power to him. Vegas is a big city. It isn't going to effect me. I even communicated with him privately, shared some of my personal rotation and advise places not to play, including most strip properties. So what does he do, focuses on strip properties and then starts screaming about losing, being cheated and Chinese cards. whatever. By the way, please note that part where I shared with him some of my personal rotation. What the fuck more could I do?


But anyway let me get this straight. Everything I do and say. Where I choose to play. What I chose to post and share. I am supposed to now say "how is this going to effect Zenking?" I don't think so!

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You asked: What the fuck more could I do?

How about keeping your private gaming life results off the fucken forums. That alone would more than help out the blackjack community that puts up with all of your insecurities.

I'm running out of popcorn watching kew make nonsense up and then making excuses.

Better hurry kew, before my food stamps run out and I need to rob the stores. Better hurry before I get evicted from the driveway I'm in. Better hurry before my RV's 8 bald tires have one blow out. Better hurry before I am forced to syphon diesel from a truck.

I've got about 26 hours. :)

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Yes.

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When did you check last?

Considering that you've continued to post the accusations, it's suspect that you wouldn't either have saved or printed the info you bought, just to have its handy to back your shit up when the time came.

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Hmmmm....that sounds eerily similar to kew accusing me of trying to bury proof by tossing out forms after I'm allowed to by law.

Care to comment kew?

I went ahead and rechecked today. As I still have access to a site. There is no longer anything regarding the welfare fraud in the criminal section. It has already been established that the welfare fraud had been removed from these sites. So not sure why that's even being mentioned. Who cares?
I could care less. I'm not making judgement based on that regarding the likelihood of his double up story being true.
I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.
Again, who cares? It makes for good forum fodder.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

It's not that I am unwilling....I don't have it!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

And two, I don't want to.

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You may call me dense, but I can't resolve the contradiction above.

It's not that you are unwilling to post the info, it's just that you don't want to?

Does that make any sense to anyone?

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

It has already been established that the welfare fraud had been removed from these sites. So not sure why that's even being mentioned.

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How has that been established?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Hmmmm....that sounds eerily similar to kew accusing me of trying to bury proof by tossing out forms after I'm allowed to by law.

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He thinks that you should have kept reems of documents to verify VP wins, should they ever come into question a decade later, but he could not be bothered to acquire or save one page of information that could be presented to destroy an adversary that he battles with daily?

That makes no sense. His wires are crossed, just like you've always said.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I went ahead and rechecked today. As I still have access to a site. There is no longer anything regarding the welfare fraud in the criminal section. It has already been established that the welfare fraud had been removed from these sites. So not sure why that's even being mentioned. Who cares?
I could care less. I'm not making judgement based on that regarding the likelihood of his double up story being true.
I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.
Again, who cares? It makes for good forum fodder.

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You believe looking me up will produce substantiating evidence that I played the DU play? And you think I would have/should have used that cash to buy multiple properties in MY name?

Are people that dense when it comes to their hatred/envy/disgust of me?

I guess so. But in the meantime, I'll need some help loading up the BIG EXPENSIVE RV for our long trip starting tomorrow night. You know, the one I've shown here?
Oh wait--max and kew say it doesn't exist. Guess I'll tell my wife we're staying AT ONE OF OUR TWO HOMES HERE IN AZ, and we can't go to OUR SD HOME. Yikes!

If you people only knew how dumb all this "forum fodder" is to us. (insert shaking of the head, with a big smile)

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.

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Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Hmmmm....that sounds eerily similar to kew accusing me of trying to bury proof by tossing out forms after I'm allowed to by law.

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He thinks that you should have kept reems of documents to verify VP wins, should they ever come into question a decade later, but he could not be bothered to acquire or save one page of information that could be presented to destroy an adversary that he battles with daily?

That makes no sense. His wires are crossed, just like you've always said.

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Yeah--Mr Hypocrite as usual. And these geniuses think everything they see on those snoop sites is true, and that I have the power and ability to remove some type of welfare and food stamp info.

Now we know where all this baloney started.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.

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Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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I'll tell you one thing he did NOT find, Alan: any property EVER in your, your broke son's, or your daughter's names.

Any more questions?

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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Unless he posts viewable links to or printed evidence of what he found, then what he has posted remains unsubstantiated gossip.

He rechecked today? OK...he should recheck tomorrow, then copy and paste what he finds.

Why just gossip if you have the evidence to back your shit up?

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.

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Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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I'm not going to divulge anything in the reports. You can easily find them for yourself. These sites do have disclaimers about how to use the info. Publishing it on forums is not acceptable as far as I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

I went ahead and rechecked today. As I still have access to a site. There is no longer anything regarding the welfare fraud in the criminal section. It has already been established that the welfare fraud had been removed from these sites. So not sure why that's even being mentioned. Who cares?
I could care less. I'm not making judgement based on that regarding the likelihood of his double up story being true.
I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.
Again, who cares? It makes for good forum fodder.

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You believe looking me up will produce substantiating evidence that I played the DU play? And you think I would have/should have used that cash to buy multiple properties in MY name?

Are people that dense when it comes to their hatred/envy/disgust of me?

I guess so. But in the meantime, I'll need some help loading up the BIG EXPENSIVE RV for our long trip starting tomorrow night. You know, the one I've shown here?
Oh wait--max and kew say it doesn't exist. Guess I'll tell my wife we're staying AT ONE OF OUR TWO HOMES HERE IN AZ, and we can't go to OUR SD HOME. Yikes!

If you people only knew how dumb all this "forum fodder" is to us. (insert shaking of the head, with a big smile)

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You're the one who claimed to have bought multiple properties in your kids name. I could care less. Enjoy your upcoming trip.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

Publishing it on forums is not acceptable as far as I can tell.

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PM the info to me and I will post it, I'm not afraid of any disclaimers.

I'm trying to establish your credibility in this matter, trying to find out whether or not you really have what you've said that you have.

Finding the info online myself won't do that, unless you corroborate the same info that I find.

People need life.

What a stupid discussion. Maybe if I post a picture of my 9.5 incher you people will believe I'm rich beyond your wildest dreams. 50 years from now nobody will care either way. In the meantime I'm being told Wizard is trying to contact me and me him, but nobody's making it thru. We are departing in the RV tomorrow night at 10. I can talk to him from anywhere but not any time once we leave.

If anybody knows him give him my email. rob.singer1111@yahoo.com

Rob, how about you give them permission to post their "embarrassing information", with enough redacted to where none of it gives out phone numbers or addresses?

Is that ok?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

What a stupid discussion. Maybe if I post a picture of my 9.5 incher you people will believe I'm rich beyond your wildest dreams. 50 years from now nobody will care either way. In the meantime I'm being told Wizard is trying to contact me and me him, but nobody's making it thru. We are departing in the RV tomorrow night at 10. I can talk to him from anywhere but not any time once we leave.

If anybody knows him give him my email. rob.singer1111@yahoo.com

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Nobody cares even right now. No Idea why these guys keep carrying on.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

And as has been noted many times over and over again at WoV, anyone who wanted to believe a negative system will win long term was dreaming.

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I am not a member at WoV (in case you aren't aware). ;) Good that the members there regularly refute Singer's alternative math. So, if I was on that forum, I probably wouldn't have to speak up as much because other are. But here, no body speaks up much. the ones that did, regularly just grow tired and give up. And Singer just keeps on going. Doesn't matter how he is proven wrong, he just keeps coming with the same claims. So I am going to keep speaking up that they defy math and are all but impossible. "Evil triumphs when good men say/do nothing".

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Originally Posted by The Boz

You personally probably did more damage to ZenKing with your stories than Singer ever did to anyone.

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Get the fuck out of here! I did not encourage Zenking to attempt to follow in my footsteps. I have never encouraged anyone to. What I do is a grind. Its a tough way to make easy money. It isn't brain surgery, but it takes discipline and understanding and acceptance of the variance (swings) involved. Zenking still doesn't seem to have mastered that last part. And I am not sure he ever will. And I have said that to him both publicly and privately. It may be that he is just not cut out for this. But whether he is or isn't that is his journey. I never freaking encouraged him or anyone else to pursue card counting.

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You never encouraged anyone to count cards? Prove it!

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Originally Posted by The Boz

My point on ZK is he blamed you for his predicament in the past. Has anyone ever blamed their failures in their gambling life on Singer??

My guess is there may be one person but even he isn’t willing to admit it.

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There are far more than one person that have been harmed by Singers claims. Besides the few on any forum that may admit it, there are "lurkers" on every forum. You know damn right well some probably immediately jumped on this "sure" system holy grail. Besides forums there is the platform that Alan provided. I don't know what kind of following Alan has. I am assuming small, but people keep telling me he is a celebrity.

And lastly.....Singer wrote several book! I am assuming they weren't best sellers. (were they self published or did Anthony Curtis publish them?) I don't know but surely some people bought and read them and likely were harmed by them. So come on Slingshot isn't the only one. To his credit he admits that he has tried to play Singers system.

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You've asked Singer to get someone who was successful using his system to post up here about it. How about someone who wasn't successful? Singer has been in the forums for twenty years. He's well known. Anyone that would have learned the system from him, utilized it and lost, would know where to find him in the forums and complain. I've been in the gambling forums for 15 years and there has yet to be a person that complained to him in the forums about using his system and loseing. What's that all about?

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My point on ZK is he blamed you for his predicament in the past. Has anyone ever blamed their failures in their gambling life on Singer??

My guess is there may be one person but even he isn’t willing to admit it.

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There are far more than one person that have been harmed by Singers claims. Besides the few on any forum that may admit it, there are "lurkers" on every forum. You know damn right well some probably immediately jumped on this "sure" system holy grail. Besides forums there is the platform that Alan provided. I don't know what kind of following Alan has. I am assuming small, but people keep telling me he is a celebrity.

And lastly.....Singer wrote several book! I am assuming they weren't best sellers. (were they self published or did Anthony Curtis publish them?) I don't know but surely some people bought and read them and likely were harmed by them. So come on Slingshot isn't the only one. To his credit he admits that he has tried to play Singers system.

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You've asked Singer to get someone who was successful using his system to post up here about it. How about someone who wasn't successful? Singer has been in the forums for twenty years. He's well known. Anyone that would have learned the system from him, utilized it and lost, would know where to find him in the forums and complain. I've been in the gambling forums for 15 years and there has yet to be a person that complained to him in the forums about using his system and loseing. What's that all about?

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There isn't anyone. All of his "students" are fictional.

So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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Not true... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfr64zoBTAQ

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Originally Posted by coach belly

mickey has asked you to post the info you referenced above, and Rob has given you permission to post it.

Everyone else seems willing to cooperate, except you.

So why don't you go ahead and post the public info that you looked up and found?

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The food stamp info isn't there any longer. It was there when several of us looked it up a couple years ago, along with all the other things mentioned. Rob said nothing at that time when I brought it up, He was strangely quiet. No denial. Then like 6 months later when someone mentioned it, Rob denied it. And low and behold it was no longer on the record. I don't know how he got it removed. And I don't care.

I don't even care that he was on food stamps at some point (I believe it was associated with his Pahrump address). I don't look down on that. If he qualified, great. It just doesn't fit with his story. But nothing does.

as for the other things. look em up if you want, coach belly. It costs like $3. All that other stuff is still part of the record as far as I know.

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I did look up information on Rob long before you did. Never seen anything about food stamps. This was back when Rob and I were feuding so if I would have found that I would have damn sure posted it up here.

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The food stamp info isn't there any longer. It was there when several of us looked it up a couple years ago, along with all the other things mentioned. Rob said nothing at that time when I brought it up, He was strangely quiet. No denial. Then like 6 months later when someone mentioned it, Rob denied it. And low and behold it was no longer on the record. I don't know how he got it removed. And I don't care.

I don't even care that he was on food stamps at some point (I believe it was associated with his Pahrump address). I don't look down on that. If he qualified, great. It just doesn't fit with his story. But nothing does.

as for the other things. look em up if you want, coach belly. It costs like $3. All that other stuff is still part of the record as far as I know.

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This is funny.

Kew has a heart attack over me not keeping my tax returns longer than the law requires. But when challenged to produce even one piece of evidence about a food stamp/welfare claim, he can't do it. Result of him being caught in YET ANOTHER LIE? Yes....he BLAMES SOMEONE ELSE!

Pure gold.....

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Rob your claim would have been one of the biggest stories to hit the gambling/AP community in years. If true you would have been a rock star in the community. AND rightfully so...even though it is a play I don't particularly admire.

And with your 20 year history, you had to know that you would need some sort of supporting evidence. WE are just supposed to take your word for it after 20 years of your lying and exaggerating everything?

And now you want to compare that to the fact that I didn't print out and save info on you that I don't even feel good about having looked at.

Come on Rob, I know you are smarter than this.

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KJ, you aren't the only one that looked into Rob's background. If there was information out there that Rob drew food stamps you can bet your ass someone would have posted up proof of it just to smear him.

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Rob, how about you give them permission to post their "embarrassing information", with enough redacted to where none of it gives out phone numbers or addresses?

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Well I am not doing that Dan. I am a srong advocate against doxing and I have been complaining about the incident that I went through last summer. people shouldn't be going off forum to find personal information on other people. When that is occurring then we all have taken things way too far. And yes, I know I did do that a couple years ago when I looked up Rob's information. Like I said several times I don't feel all that good about that now. It is over the line. That is just the kind of thing that keeps most AP's from participating on any of these forums. Only those of us that likely have some sort of issues do.

Dan, you posted a list of rules and near the top of that list was no doxing, no identifying personal information. Now you are wavering and saying well if Rob agrees to it? Just the kind of inconsistency from you we have come to expect. Just like banning a guy (singer) for using racial slurs, but then 6 months later when traffic drops letting him back. WTF Dan, you are as bad as everyone else.

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So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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I am also going to complain about this too, Dan Druff. You have known Andrew was Alan for 6 months now. I pmed you around thanksgiving and I knew it before then and publicly stated it before then. You can pretend you didn't know, but you are one of the best at identifying sock puppets when you want to be. When I PMed you your response was "well, he is not trying to create trouble". I didn't like it then because it was just more of your inconsistency. But as time went on I came to understand your decision and agree with it.

Alan thought he needed a fresh start. he knew he couldn't come back as Alan Mendelson. It would have just been more of the same. So he did the Andrew things. And everyone seemed to know it and accept it. YOU knew it and looked the other way. But now that there is some bad blood between you and Alan that has gone public, you are insisting that he come clean with the handle. Why the change Dan Druff? by all appearances it looks like you just want to try to humiliate him a little. I thought more of you Dan. Obviously you don't run the forum the way I would like, not allowing the disgusting personal attacks about race, religion, sexual orientation and especially family members. You have disappointed me for a while now, but now it becomes clear, you are just another trolling, bullying insecure dude. No wonder this forum is the way it is.

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KJ, you aren't the only one that looked into Rob's background. If there was information out there that Rob drew food stamps you can bet your ass someone would have posted up proof of it just to smear him.

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Someone did mickey! MaxPen just posted that he saw it a while back. There was someone else too back when this came to light that said they saw it. I forget who and I am not going back and search. So you are just wrong and blindly supporting Singer as you always do now. You have replaced Alan as Singer's biggest enabler. He simply can't do what he does without a couple people enabling him.

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I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.

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Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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Andrew, for the record I have asked you to join the WoV forum and post in the Rob Singer thread. Also, on twitter I sent a message to Alan Mendelson asking that he asks you to join WoV and make a post in the Rob Singer thread.

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I get to put together another package? Great!! Where am I sending it? Mickey, what's your address?

Um, mickey, you helped me post my "Tipsters or Gypsters?" records in the Retro Road Trip thread. You want to repost them for me? I appreciated your reorienting them for me. I am bad with this online posting stuff. And those futures tickets...oh yeah, they were my late cousin's, E.R. Dietz. Well, we could post them anyway. And Alan has a package somewhere with some cool stuff in it.

The thing about sports handicapping. Your record is pretty much public. Everybody knows when you've had a bang-up season or sucked to hell.

By the way, E.R. Dietz will be coming back from the dead soon, sort of a tribute to MDawg. Probably at WoV. I'll give you a heads up. He needs to learn to post photos. It'll be a humor thread.

FYI, back when mickey was helping me prove my personal history, E.R. Dietz (my late cousin) posted some very impressive futures tickets. Somebody should probably look those up. The thing about E.R. -- he always made a killing in sports, but then he'd find ways to blow it. Since he's coming back from the dead, he'll be explaining this stuff at WoV. He's kind of the Super Dave of sports betting.

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I'll be glad to post up here any proof you send me via internet. I don't give my address to anyone. Now besides records of win/losses which I figure you want to send, we will need proof of monetary win. After all, a professional makes money. Anyone can make picks without betting. The proof is in the money you made. Tax returns must specifically show gambling income but will not be conclusive that you made the money betting sports. You will also need to prove that it was your main source of income.

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Another trick scamdicappers do is to buy future tickets on every team, hoping for a long shot to win. No different that buying both sides of a game for large amounts, counting the Vig as cost of doing business. Anyone looking to impress with pictures of winners knows this scam. It’s looks great when you can show a ticket paying off on a long shot and say you knew it was coming. Or showing you “knew” team X was going to win easily and you bet $10,000 or more on them? The $1000 Vig is nothing compared to what you can make off suckers looking to win with your advice.

Not saying Red pulls these stunts but what you ask is reasonable if he is who he says he is. Naturally we won’t see any of this, but without the proof you ask, either can be assumed to be possible.

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If you guys would notice, I made the same argument Boz just made in the Retro Road Trip thread. I explained how futures tickets were no proof of anything. Unless, of course, say, the president of a company was doing it with you, in which case one would think such a person wouldn't bother to lie about it for the sake of some handicapper.

Mickey, you've got it ass backwards, as per usual. A public professional handicapper is judged on his record, not how much money he makes. If he makes a fortune, but his clients, partners, and people who follow him get games that lose, then he really isn't much of a professional handicapper, is he? Jimmy the Greek, for example, became known for giving people games wherein he liked the other side just so he could get the line nudged in his favor.

Boz, honestly, LOL, would you be willing to lay money I couldn't pass a polygraph on anything I say? The enterprise is called Integrity Sports for a reason, and if you call around to the top public handicappers and inquire, you won't get one peep that I have ever fudged even a single number. Go ahead and call around. You think a certain heavy hitter looked me up because I was a loser? A flash in the pan? Anytime you want to do the polygraph thing, you let me know. In fact, I offered polygraph testing in the first big public ad I did in Game Plan magazine back in 1979. Full page ad across from the Notre Dame summary, as I recall. Kind of an embarrassing ad, really. I think it included my IQ. Worse, a personal photo. I was young; what can I say?

And Boz, it isn't kosher to use the word "scamdicapper," without referencing Mike McCusker, who invented the term. It's McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" that mickey posted for me. My being monitored and evaluated by the guy who invented the term should mean something, eh?

Wait! Wait! I made a terrible egregious error. Coach would be calling me a liar. The ad was in the 1980 Game Plan, not 1979. Whew. I bet coach would have had a field day with that one.

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The only thing that would embarrass me is if I couldn't get it up in the lady's room at Fox News.

I don't really care about this stuff, but it would be interesting to see wtf these guys are talking about with regards to receiving welfare and food stamp help--and when--along with fraud of some sort? What type of moron comes up with this stuff? I just told my wife and she laughed. We'll be getting into an RV in 24 hours that cost me $1.5mil in double up money about 7 years ago, it gets 5mpg, oil changes are almost $300, and storage is over $200/mo. So this is all just too stupid to us.

I also just received an email from Shack and I'm gonna check it out.

I sent him an email. Thx to anyone who helped on this.

I see Alan's still reading every word here, posting about our RV as Andrew in a new thread. What kind of sickness is that poor guy going through....

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Rob, how about you give them permission to post their "embarrassing information", with enough redacted to where none of it gives out phone numbers or addresses?

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Well I am not doing that Dan. I am a srong advocate against doxing and I have been complaining about the incident that I went through last summer. people shouldn't be going off forum to find personal information on other people. When that is occurring then we all have taken things way too far. And yes, I know I did do that a couple years ago when I looked up Rob's information. Like I said several times I don't feel all that good about that now. It is over the line. That is just the kind of thing that keeps most AP's from participating on any of these forums. Only those of us that likely have some sort of issues do.

Dan, you posted a list of rules and near the top of that list was no doxing, no identifying personal information. Now you are wavering and saying well if Rob agrees to it? Just the kind of inconsistency from you we have come to expect. Just like banning a guy (singer) for using racial slurs, but then 6 months later when traffic drops letting him back. WTF Dan, you are as bad as everyone else.

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Ugh. And you wonder why they call you a drama queen.

First off, it's not doxxing if the person gives permission to post their info. Second, I was asking Rob if he's okay with people posting this "embarrassing info" if they block out any addresses, phone numbers, or account numbers. So that's not doxxing anyway.

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So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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I am also going to complain about this too, Dan Druff. You have known Andrew was Alan for 6 months now. I pmed you around thanksgiving and I knew it before then and publicly stated it before then. You can pretend you didn't know, but you are one of the best at identifying sock puppets when you want to be. When I PMed you your response was "well, he is not trying to create trouble". I didn't like it then because it was just more of your inconsistency. But as time went on I came to understand your decision and agree with it.

Alan thought he needed a fresh start. he knew he couldn't come back as Alan Mendelson. It would have just been more of the same. So he did the Andrew things. And everyone seemed to know it and accept it. YOU knew it and looked the other way. But now that there is some bad blood between you and Alan that has gone public, you are insisting that he come clean with the handle. Why the change Dan Druff? by all appearances it looks like you just want to try to humiliate him a little. I thought more of you Dan. Obviously you don't run the forum the way I would like, not allowing the disgusting personal attacks about race, religion, sexual orientation and especially family members. You have disappointed me for a while now, but now it becomes clear, you are just another trolling, bullying insecure dude. No wonder this forum is the way it is.

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More kewlJ manufactured drama.

First off, I don't care if I disappoint you. I don't live to please you, and I don't run this forum to please you. I run it how I think it should best be run, and it's everyone's choice whether they want to use it. I am willing to take suggestions, but trust me, getting kewlJ's approval is never on my mind when I make decisions.

Yes, you were the first one to approach me about AndrewG being Alan. And yes, I said that it was possible, but that I didn't care, as long as AndrewG wasn't causing a problem.

Things have obviously changed since then. Between Alan's new obsession with challenging Rob (what a change that is, huh?), and his unresolved yet unjustified bitterness towards me, the AndrewG account has become less a harmless Vegas-area poster and more of an annoying Alan sockpuppet.

I'm still not going to ban AndrewG, but Alan should just accept the fact that the jig is up, and go back to his main account. He just looks like a fool continuing to post as Andrew when everyone knows it's him.

This is really hysterical Mr Dan. You're questioning my name?

Tell me please sir, do you have a government ID for Dan Druff? Does The Boz have a government ID for that name? Does mcap have a government ID? Even mickeycrimm said mickeycrimm isn't his legal name either. And we know Rob Singer has no government ID for Rob Singer.

By the way, I don't recall seeing a photo of the $1.5-million RV on this forum. Mr Singer (or whatever his government ID name is) said he posted one. Could coach belly (government ID please?) find that. I never saw a $1.5-million RV in my poor neighborhood.

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I base it on the fact that nothing correlates as far as all the property info and what not offered up as substantiating evidence by Rob. These sites, atleast the one I'm using, links to relatives. Which in turn links to property records and what not. With a subscription for unlimited search a person can dig pretty deep on someone if they choose. I dug deep enough to satisfy that there is nothing substantiating his claims. I have determined all this to just be the usual Singer bullshit.

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Mr MaxPen is it correct that you found no substantial assets in the names of his children, including houses, despite more than $3.4-million in claimed profits from video poker?

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I'll tell you one thing he did NOT find, Alan: any property EVER in your, your broke son's, or your daughter's names.

Any more questions?

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Mr Dan didn't you delete references to Mr Alan's daughter before?

From what I understand Mr Alan last posted on this forum more than a year ago. When was the last post by his son?

Mr coach belly correctly noted that I joined this forum about six months after Mr Alan departed this forum.

I just edited the post about Alan's daughter. Please stop doing that, Rob.

Alan/Andrew, you say that "Alan last posted on this forum more than a year ago".

That is false.

In fact, the statement, "Alan last posted on this forum more than an hour ago" would also be false.

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Rob, how about you give them permission to post their "embarrassing information", with enough redacted to where none of it gives out phone numbers or addresses?

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Well I am not doing that Dan. I am a srong advocate against doxing and I have been complaining about the incident that I went through last summer. people shouldn't be going off forum to find personal information on other people. When that is occurring then we all have taken things way too far. And yes, I know I did do that a couple years ago when I looked up Rob's information. Like I said several times I don't feel all that good about that now. It is over the line. That is just the kind of thing that keeps most AP's from participating on any of these forums. Only those of us that likely have some sort of issues do.

Dan, you posted a list of rules and near the top of that list was no doxing, no identifying personal information. Now you are wavering and saying well if Rob agrees to it? Just the kind of inconsistency from you we have come to expect. Just like banning a guy (singer) for using racial slurs, but then 6 months later when traffic drops letting him back. WTF Dan, you are as bad as everyone else.

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So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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I am also going to complain about this too, Dan Druff. You have known Andrew was Alan for 6 months now. I pmed you around thanksgiving and I knew it before then and publicly stated it before then. You can pretend you didn't know, but you are one of the best at identifying sock puppets when you want to be. When I PMed you your response was "well, he is not trying to create trouble". I didn't like it then because it was just more of your inconsistency. But as time went on I came to understand your decision and agree with it.

Alan thought he needed a fresh start. he knew he couldn't come back as Alan Mendelson. It would have just been more of the same. So he did the Andrew things. And everyone seemed to know it and accept it. YOU knew it and looked the other way. But now that there is some bad blood between you and Alan that has gone public, you are insisting that he come clean with the handle. Why the change Dan Druff? by all appearances it looks like you just want to try to humiliate him a little. I thought more of you Dan. Obviously you don't run the forum the way I would like, not allowing the disgusting personal attacks about race, religion, sexual orientation and especially family members. You have disappointed me for a while now, but now it becomes clear, you are just another trolling, bullying insecure dude. No wonder this forum is the way it is.

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Did I miss something Dan said/did? Dan might be guilty of being an absentee babysitter, but I don't get where the rest is coming from.
As far as I can tell, Dan has been pretty fair to everyone, he also seems to use a little logic when he does take action. You got people complaining about how tough the rules are at wizard of Vegas, but then they bitch about how lax things are around here.

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KJ, you aren't the only one that looked into Rob's background. If there was information out there that Rob drew food stamps you can bet your ass someone would have posted up proof of it just to smear him.

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Someone did mickey! MaxPen just posted that he saw it a while back. There was someone else too back when this came to light that said they saw it. I forget who and I am not going back and search. So you are just wrong and blindly supporting Singer as you always do now. You have replaced Alan as Singer's biggest enabler. He simply can't do what he does without a couple people enabling him.

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We are your biggest enabler, king troll of VCT. I can't believe you just went off on Dan the way you did. Damn, boy, you are from outer space. And you are king troll on this site. I don't believe anyone about the foot stamp bullshit until someone puts up evidence. I'm sick and tired of your demanding proof of others but expect your bullshit to be believed verbatim. Fuck you, asshole.

Now, that bullshit you push about a trailer court in Pahrump. It's actually an RV park. And a rather nice on at that. And Rob's address in South Dakota can be traced to a nice RV park in that area. So stick the trailer court up your ass, Mr. Prevarication.

Now, that shit about the driveway and getting electricity and water from the daughter's house. Do you want to tell my that's the truth too? Fuck you.

KJ, you and the truth just don't mix.

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I just edited the post about Alan's daughter. Please stop doing that, Rob.

Alan/Andrew, you say that "Alan last posted on this forum more than a year ago".

That is false.

In fact, the statement, "Alan last posted on this forum more than an hour ago" would also be false.

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I'll be glad to post up here any proof you send me via internet. I don't give my address to anyone. Now besides records of win/losses which I figure you want to send, we will need proof of monetary win. After all, a professional makes money. Anyone can make picks without betting. The proof is in the money you made. Tax returns must specifically show gambling income but will not be conclusive that you made the money betting sports. You will also need to prove that it was your main source of income.

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Another trick scamdicappers do is to buy future tickets on every team, hoping for a long shot to win. No different that buying both sides of a game for large amounts, counting the Vig as cost of doing business. Anyone looking to impress with pictures of winners knows this scam. It’s looks great when you can show a ticket paying off on a long shot and say you knew it was coming. Or showing you “knew” team X was going to win easily and you bet $10,000 or more on them? The $1000 Vig is nothing compared to what you can make off suckers looking to win with your advice.

Not saying Red pulls these stunts but what you ask is reasonable if he is who he says he is. Naturally we won’t see any of this, but without the proof you ask, either can be assumed to be possible.

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If you guys would notice, I made the same argument Boz just made in the Retro Road Trip thread. I explained how futures tickets were no proof of anything. Unless, of course, say, the president of a company was doing it with you, in which case one would think such a person wouldn't bother to lie about it for the sake of some handicapper.

Mickey, you've got it ass backwards, as per usual. A public professional handicapper is judged on his record, not how much money he makes. If he makes a fortune, but his clients, partners, and people who follow him get games that lose, then he really isn't much of a professional handicapper, is he? Jimmy the Greek, for example, became known for giving people games wherein he liked the other side just so he could get the line nudged in his favor.

Boz, honestly, LOL, would you be willing to lay money I couldn't pass a polygraph on anything I say? The enterprise is called Integrity Sports for a reason, and if you call around to the top public handicappers and inquire, you won't get one peep that I have ever fudged even a single number. Go ahead and call around. You think a certain heavy hitter looked me up because I was a loser? A flash in the pan? Anytime you want to do the polygraph thing, you let me know. In fact, I offered polygraph testing in the first big public ad I did in Game Plan magazine back in 1979. Full page ad across from the Notre Dame summary, as I recall. Kind of an embarrassing ad, really. I think it included my IQ. Worse, a personal photo. I was young; what can I say?

And Boz, it isn't kosher to use the word "scamdicapper," without referencing Mike McCusker, who invented the term. It's McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" that mickey posted for me. My being monitored and evaluated by the guy who invented the term should mean something, eh?

Wait! Wait! I made a terrible egregious error. Coach would be calling me a liar. The ad was in the 1980 Game Plan, not 1979. Whew. I bet coach would have had a field day with that one.

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Redietz, in the Singer thread at WoV you said that one way Singer could verify his story is to get a family member to back up the story. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. How about you getting your "girlfiend" to come on VCT and verify your story of being a professional handicapper. Should be an easy move.

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I just edited the post about Alan's daughter. Please stop doing that, Rob.

Alan/Andrew, you say that "Alan last posted on this forum more than a year ago".

That is false.

In fact, the statement, "Alan last posted on this forum more than an hour ago" would also be false.

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I'm gonna miss keeping up with this stuff after we leave tonight :)

Dan, the only way Alan will stop hiding behind Andrew is if you ban Andrew. That will FORCE him to either humble himself to you and ask to have "Alan" reinstated, or come up with another alias in which case you'll have to ban him again since it'll be traceable this time. I say he'll be "forced" because he obviously has VERY addictive tendencies that run and have ruined his life, so it'll be absolutely impossible for him to try and stay away. Or....do the humane thing and ban Alan for good. It's difficult for many of us to have to watch his spiralling down into further emptiness. But, so goes life.

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My point on ZK is he blamed you for his predicament in the past. Has anyone ever blamed their failures in their gambling life on Singer??

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There are far more than one person that have been harmed by Singers claims. Besides the few on any forum that may admit it, there are "lurkers" on every forum. You know damn right well some probably immediately jumped on this "sure" system holy grail. Besides forums there is the platform that Alan provided. I don't know what kind of following Alan has. I am assuming small, but people keep telling me he is a celebrity.

And lastly.....Singer wrote several book! I am assuming they weren't best sellers. (were they self published or did Anthony Curtis publish them?) I don't know but surely some people bought and read them and likely were harmed by them. So come on Slingshot isn't the only one. To his credit he admits that he has tried to play Singers system.

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You've asked Singer to get someone who was successful using his system to post up here about it. How about someone who wasn't successful? Singer has been in the forums for twenty years. He's well known. Anyone that would have learned the system from him, utilized it and lost, would know where to find him in the forums and complain. I've been in the gambling forums for 15 years and there has yet to be a person that complained to him in the forums about using his system and loseing. What's that all about?

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Yeah I was thinking the same Mickey. Where are all these people that have been harmed by this sure system Holy grail that "some probably immediately jumped on". No one even knows how to play it
except maybe slingshot, and he ain't complaining.
KJ, you must wear your Captain Avenger - Social Justice Warrior uniform when you post this shit.

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Ugh. And you wonder why they call you a drama queen.

First off, it's not doxxing if the person gives permission to post their info. Second, I was asking Rob if he's okay with people posting this "embarrassing info" if they block out any addresses, phone numbers, or account numbers. So that's not doxxing anyway.

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So... nothing further from Andrew/Alan regarding our issue?

I know my issue with Alan and his son isn't as exciting as Rob's double-up claims, but I'm still curious to see where the discussion goes. But it looks like Alan might be done with it.

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I am also going to complain about this too, Dan Druff. You have known Andrew was Alan for 6 months now. I pmed you around thanksgiving and I knew it before then and publicly stated it before then. You can pretend you didn't know, but you are one of the best at identifying sock puppets when you want to be. When I PMed you your response was "well, he is not trying to create trouble". I didn't like it then because it was just more of your inconsistency. But as time went on I came to understand your decision and agree with it.

Alan thought he needed a fresh start. he knew he couldn't come back as Alan Mendelson. It would have just been more of the same. So he did the Andrew things. And everyone seemed to know it and accept it. YOU knew it and looked the other way. But now that there is some bad blood between you and Alan that has gone public, you are insisting that he come clean with the handle. Why the change Dan Druff? by all appearances it looks like you just want to try to humiliate him a little. I thought more of you Dan. Obviously you don't run the forum the way I would like, not allowing the disgusting personal attacks about race, religion, sexual orientation and especially family members. You have disappointed me for a while now, but now it becomes clear, you are just another trolling, bullying insecure dude. No wonder this forum is the way it is.

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More kewlJ manufactured drama.

First off, I don't care if I disappoint you. I don't live to please you, and I don't run this forum to please you. I run it how I think it should best be run, and it's everyone's choice whether they want to use it. I am willing to take suggestions, but trust me, getting kewlJ's approval is never on my mind when I make decisions.

Yes, you were the first one to approach me about AndrewG being Alan. And yes, I said that it was possible, but that I didn't care, as long as AndrewG wasn't causing a problem.

Things have obviously changed since then. Between Alan's new obsession with challenging Rob (what a change that is, huh?), and his unresolved yet unjustified bitterness towards me, the AndrewG account has become less a harmless Vegas-area poster and more of an annoying Alan sockpuppet.

I'm still not going to ban AndrewG, but Alan should just accept the fact that the jig is up, and go back to his main account. He just looks like a fool continuing to post as Andrew when everyone knows it's him.

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Damn, what a beat down!

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Everything doesn't revolve around your feelings KJ. Damn dude sack up!

It isn't kewlJ's fault as he has so many dicks stuffed down his throat he can hardly think straight!

I think that was his direct Quote to dannyj awhile back.

Someone(Rob) correct me if I'm wrong, you said that Mike contacted you recently (I'm assuming it's in the last day or two) Mike said that you contacted him, can you please put the record straight about contacted who first regarding your last correspondence regarding this?

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Someone(Rob) correct me if I'm wrong, you said that Mike contacted you recently (I'm assuming it's in the last day or two) Mike said that you contacted him, can you please put the record straight about contacted who first regarding your last correspondence regarding this?

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Are you stupid or something?
Rob emailed him and the wizard contacted him back.
They are in early discussions about an interview.
It is Fucking posted by the Wizard at WoV!

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...ger-discuss/5/

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I don't recall seeing a photo of the $1.5-million RV on this forum. Mr Singer said he posted one. Could coach belly find that.

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There are a couple of photos of Rob's RV in this thread...

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The other forums do this, so we can do it too.

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If there was information out there that Rob drew food stamps you can bet your ass someone would have posted up proof of it just to smear him.

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Someone did mickey! MaxPen just posted that he saw it a while back.

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MaxPen saying that he saw it doesn't qualify as proof.

Are the subjects of these public information reports permitted to remove info that could embarrass them?

Axel, a few days ago someone sent me a copy of the wizard inviting me for another interview or something if I read the message he posted there. So I sent him one from his site. Not sure if he got it so I asked if anyone here could give him my email address. Someone did, and he emailed me last night. We've been communicating since.

I'm not gonna go looking but that RV may or may not be the newer one. Besides, if it isn't, the critics will cheer. If it is then they'll claim it's just one I snapped a pic of. The exercise is irrelevant.

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If there was information out there that Rob drew food stamps you can bet your ass someone would have posted up proof of it just to smear him.

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Someone did mickey! MaxPen just posted that he saw it a while back.

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MaxPen saying that he saw it doesn't qualify as proof.

Are the subjects of these public information reports permitted to remove info that could embarrass them?

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Apparently, some people want it to be that way.

Alan and Singer lovers?

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Alan and Singer lovers?

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Hate to see that baby...

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Alan and Singer lovers?

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Hate to see that baby...

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I pay 10% of abortion. Let other 9 guys pay fair share.

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Alan and Singer lovers?

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Would look like baby cooper

What's the biggest video poker story of all time? In my opinion it is Bob Dancer's Million Dollar Video Poker. This book chronicles the six month period in the late nineties that Bob and wife hit over 1 million dollars in video poker jackpots. It was a pretty good read. I would recommend it.

But here's a little secret. Bob lost money on the book. He payed 20K just to have the book edited. Now, some people will jump on that and call it a mistake. Sure, it was. But if the story were that big it wouldn't have been much of a mistake. Dancer was writing to a small niche market. And he was never offered any money for film rights.

Big stories in the video poker world are not as big as you think.

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Axel, a few days ago someone sent me a copy of the wizard inviting me for another interview or something if I read the message he posted there. So I sent him one from his site. Not sure if he got it so I asked if anyone here could give him my email address. Someone did, and he emailed me last night. We've been communicating since.

I'm not gonna go looking but that RV may or may not be the newer one. Besides, if it isn't, the critics will cheer. If it is then they'll claim it's just one I snapped a pic of. The exercise is irrelevant.

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FYI I wasn't trying to play some kind of got you moment or anything I wanted to know for a specific personal reason and I wanted clarification.

the following answered my question. "Axel, a few days ago someone sent me a copy of the wizard inviting me for another interview"

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What's the biggest video poker story of all time? In my opinion it is Bob Dancer's Million Dollar Video Poker. This book chronicles the six month period in the late nineties that Bob and wife hit over 1 million dollars in video poker jackpots. It was a pretty good read. I would recommend it.

But here's a little secret. Bob lost money on the book. He payed 20K just to have the book edited. Now, some people will jump on that and call it a mistake. Sure, it was. But if the story were that big it wouldn't have been much of a mistake. Dancer was writing to a small niche market. And he was never offered any money for film rights.

Big stories in the video poker world are not as big as you think.

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Book good for him, bad for us.

The book may have lost money in and of itself, but I'm sure that led to making money with his software, classes, and other various things.

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What's the biggest video poker story of all time? In my opinion it is Bob Dancer's Million Dollar Video Poker. This book chronicles the six month period in the late nineties that Bob and wife hit over 1 million dollars in video poker jackpots. It was a pretty good read. I would recommend it.

But here's a little secret. Bob lost money on the book. He payed 20K just to have the book edited. Now, some people will jump on that and call it a mistake. Sure, it was. But if the story were that big it wouldn't have been much of a mistake. Dancer was writing to a small niche market. And he was never offered any money for film rights.

Big stories in the video poker world are not as big as you think.

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Book good for him, bad for us.

The book may have lost money in and of itself, but I'm sure that led to making money with his software, classes, and other various things.

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Bob has always said he filed taxes as a professional gambler. In order to do that then the majority of his income had to have been from gambling, not from selling products. I personally don't think there is that much money in it. Frank Kneeland told me he didn't make any money on his book either.

I was curious about book sales so asked questions of both Dancer and Kneeland who were both pushing me to write a book to be published by the publisher for Las Vegas Adviser (can't remember the name). But after collecting some information, as Coach would put it, I said to hell with that. I'm not wasting all that time and energy for nothing. I've given a lot of the information away in the forums.

Update on the interview:

We agreed to do the interview via video technology (if I can figure it out with his help) since the current situation isn't the best for doing it in person. I assume it'll happen in a week or so? We did hold off on our departure because there's no schedule we have to keep to and I'd like to get this done.

My favorite vp book is also MDVP because it's very entertaining and not just a monotonous repitition of vp math probability formulas & theories. At the time I wrote a very complimentary review of it in my column. Dancer was surprised and personally thanked me. But the pleasantries didn't last long.

Mickey I think you're meaning Huntington Press.

I've got to get the RV back in its storage park for a week or so, unhook the car, and get the food back in the house, so I'm out of the insults and arguing business for a few days. But everyone--feel free to keep busy at it while your democrat governors keep you all under control.

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Update on the interview:

We agreed to do the interview via video technology (if I can figure it out with his help) since the current situation isn't the best for doing it in person. I assume it'll happen in a week or so? We did hold off on our departure because there's no schedule we have to keep to and I'd like to get this done.

My favorite vp book is also MDVP because it's very entertaining and not just a monotonous repitition of vp math probability formulas & theories. At the time I wrote a very complimentary review of it in my column. Dancer was surprised and personally thanked me. But the pleasantries didn't last long.

Mickey I think you're meaning Huntington Press.

I've got to get the RV back in its storage park for a week or so, unhook the car, and get the food back in the house, so I'm out of the insults and arguing business for a few days. But everyone--feel free to keep busy at it while your democrat governors keep you all under control.

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Yeah, the best thing for you to do is crawl back under your rock.....lol
Surprised it's gonna take a few days for you to figure out how to weasel your way out of the latest revelations exposing your bullshit.
What did your wife say when you told her that you were gonna sit around for a week or so waiting on some hokey interview about shit that didn't happen? All so a few dozen people could possibly grasp at straws believing you actually accomplished something......lmao
Actually, I already know you're not delaying going anywhere. So your wife didn't say shit about any delay. Poor woman has no idea the bullshit you spew and fantasies you try to live out on these forums. Her whole poor life has probably been on delay for atleast the past decade bouncing from driveway to driveway in the camper van.

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Update on the interview:

We agreed to do the interview via video technology (if I can figure it out with his help) since the current situation isn't the best for doing it in person. I assume it'll happen in a week or so? We did hold off on our departure because there's no schedule we have to keep to and I'd like to get this done.

My favorite vp book is also MDVP because it's very entertaining and not just a monotonous repitition of vp math probability formulas & theories. At the time I wrote a very complimentary review of it in my column. Dancer was surprised and personally thanked me. But the pleasantries didn't last long.

Mickey I think you're meaning Huntington Press.

I've got to get the RV back in its storage park for a week or so, unhook the car, and get the food back in the house, so I'm out of the insults and arguing business for a few days. But everyone--feel free to keep busy at it while your democrat governors keep you all under control.

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Yeah, the best thing for you to do is crawl back under your rock.....lol
Surprised it's gonna take a few days for you to figure out how to weasel your way out of the latest revelations exposing your bullshit.
What did your wife say when you told her that you were gonna sit around for a week or so waiting on some hokey interview about shit that didn't happen? All so a few dozen people could possibly grasp at straws believing you actually accomplished something......lmao
Actually, I already know you're not delaying going anywhere. So your wife didn't say shit about any delay. Poor woman has no idea the bullshit you spew and fantasies you try to live out on these forums. Her whole poor life has probably been on delay for atleast the past decade bouncing from driveway to driveway in the camper van.

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What I know about Cindy from following Rob's articles, emails, etc., is that she is first class, doesn't like him being on this forum of trash, and is better at picking the right vp machines!

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What I know about Cindy from following Rob's articles, emails, etc., is that she is first class, doesn't like him being on this forum of trash, and is better at picking the right vp machines!

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Defense witness: Your honor, Mr. Jones would never commit these crimes.

Judge: how do you know that?

Defense witness: He told me so.

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kewlj: Mr. MaxPen saw the welfare fraud reports too.

Judge: how do you know that?

kewlj: He told me so.

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See how this works both ways?

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kewlj: Mr. MaxPen saw the welfare fraud reports too.

Judge: how do you know that?

kewlj: He told me so.

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See how this works both ways?

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Here is the problem for you coach belly. When you have multiple people that saw or witnessed the same thing, that is known as corroborating witnesses and carries much more weight than 1 person saying that never happened (or having all kinds of excuses for the things he couldn't get removed).

And in this case it isn't just MaxPen and I, there were others. I can't remember who right now and am not going to go back and look but there were at least 1 or 2 others that mentioned they saw these reports in the last couple years. And there were at least 1 or 2 from years ago before my time, that investigated and saw these reports. Was it Arci or armede$ or someone like that? And really anyone can take a look that wants to. YOU just don't want to and that says a lot right there. You don't want to see what you will find. You would rather just play your little coach belly games.

So you are talking 4,5,6 people that saw these reports, probably more people than that, but 4, 5, 6 that have publicly admitted they saw these report. That is a lot of corroborating witnesses. I wouldn't want you for an attorney or I'd be sitting in jail, because of substantial evidence and witnesses while you play your little games. :rolleyes:

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kewlj: Mr. MaxPen saw the welfare fraud reports too.

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kewlj: He told me so.

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See how this works both ways?

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Here is the problem for you coach belly. When you have multiple people that saw or witnessed the same thing, that is known as corroborating witnesses and carries much more weight than 1 person saying that never happened (or having all kinds of excuses for the things he couldn't get removed).

And in this case it isn't just MaxPen and I, there were others. I can't remember who right now and am not going to go back and look but there were at least 1 or 2 others that mentioned they saw these reports in the last couple years. And there were at least 1 or 2 from years ago before my time, that investigated and saw these reports. Was it Arci or armede$ or someone like that? And really anyone can take a look that wants to. YOU just don't want to and that says a lot right there. You don't want to see what you will find. You would rather just play your little coach belly games.

So you are talking 4,5,6 people that saw these reports, probably more people than that, but 4, 5, 6 that have publicly admitted they saw these report. That is a lot of corroborating witnesses. I wouldn't want you for an attorney or I'd be sitting in jail, because of substantial evidence and witnesses while you play your little games. :rolleyes:

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And there you have it. Coach once again makes you two look stupid, so all you can do is make even more things up! Go ahead--name them.4,5, or 6. arci was just like you two. He felt wounded by the gall of a -EV player saying he still won. Oh! the frustration! Just like you and max!

BTW--even if you're afraid to, go ahead and look up where I posted we were going to be departing EARLIER than planned because the heat hit early. So now we postponed it a short while for wizard. We're not like you kew--under the control of a foolish democrat governor. We can do whatever we choose.