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Originally Posted by MDawg
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Said the anonymous guy on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
MDawg, if I were you I'd just walk away from this. Trust me when I tell you Dan is not your friend. I've been banned from a few threads when Dan decides to protect a friend he feels is under duress. After all it is his forum. So be it. They most likely talk about you when Dan and Axel are riding around in Dan's car. Dan usually don't interfere in many threads. I'd take his sudden post of interest in this thread as a warning before the hammer hits and you're banned from this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
DeputyDawg wants people to take him at his word.
OK, fine: his word is "bullshit."
That this fraud is still allowed to prance around the forums filling minds with mush baffles me.
jbjb nailed it, comparing this bufoon to Singer: Mike and Dan welcome these bullshit artists because it draws views to their sites, and forum members respond to them much like flies to a spider's web.
To summarize: If something sounds too good to be true, it isn't.
I'm not going to ban MDawg from a thread where he's one of the two major participants. That's absolutely not going to happen here.
This thread has been around for awhile, but every time I tried to read it, I would become bored and confused by it. There's just too much clutter and nonsense. That's why I asked for a summary.
MDawg, let's forget Axel's credibility (or lack thereof) at the moment. Is his summary of your claims true? Or are there things in his summary which you never claimed?
By the way, I have to imagine I'll be getting the vaccine fairly soon, and after the required 6 weeks pass following it, I'll probably visit Las Vegas soon after. If you'd like to demonstrate any of your claims to me in person, I will not require any money to be bet on them, and I'll be willing to give you my word that I won't disclose your identity or anything other personal info. So if you'd like to prove some of these things, I will be happy to do it with you.
I simply want the truth to be told. I don't care if it favors you or Axel.
The shot will not save you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The virus is mutating.
We are all doomed.
Repent.
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Originally Posted by AxelWolfI can sum it up for you. MDwag has made a bunch of outlandish claims. It's not just one outlandish claim that is unbelievable, it's the totality of everything. I called BS, and it was on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I'll give you the gist. He claims to be a high-priced attorney. He claims he was getting paid legal fees from his clients in Bitcoin back in like 2010(I can recall the exact year) he said he has been acquiring and holding ever since. He hasn't said exactly how much he has, but it would equate to 10's of millions now. The funny thing is, he didn't even know how bitcoin worked. There's some evidence of this, but let's move on.
He claims he always wins playing baccarat, he claims he is not using any advantage play, he's just using a system that relies on streaks knowing when to get in and out, meanwhile getting RFB for months at higher-end resorts.
He claims he always wins in the stock market while trading 100's of shares at a time of companies like Tesla and Amazon.
He wants people to pony up 50k on deposit or credit at a casino for the honor of watching him play.
He makes Big Bluff bets that no one smart would consider since they have CON written all over them.
Mike told Mdawg to put up or shut up. MDwag couldn't even come up with 5k just to prove he could pay a challenge that he offered. I put up at least 10k with Mike, it may have been more I was willing to put up more. but, it seems he has backtracked on that. I can only assume the M dog whined, cried, and bitched in a multitude of private messages that made Mike's head spin. To be honest, I think Mike was confused and had no idea what was actually going on since he doesn't read all the posts it seems like he's basically getting his information from whatever PM'S comes in.
MDwag has claimed he wanted to meet up with Mike, it's been years and Mdwag has been to Vegas numerous times and has managed to not yet meet anyone.
He does post pictures of chips, rooms, cash Rolexes, etc, and even has some convincing evidence that would fool the average person. But we have been there before with another baccarat player very similar to MDawg who was posting up pictures of his boss's life and claimed it as his own.
Dan, as long as you went to the effort to ask, and as long as AW went to the monumental effort of writing something longer than a sentence, I suppose I should respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Although you asked me to set aside AxelWolf’s credibility for my response, I have to state that I believe that there are two reasons why AW has issues with me and many others on forums all across the internet:
1) I believe he has an attention deficit disorder and is a very poor reader. I doubt he reads or comprehends more than 20% of any long post made at these forums. By misreading or failing to read most of what is posted, he runs off half cocked with his own interpretation of what happened or is being said.
2) He is a street based con man, including always on the lookout for what he may hustle out of casinos, and imparts this sort of confidence trickster attitude into any associations he has – i.e., assumes that because he’s a con, that everyone else must be too.
All right, so the background on me in case you didn’t know is that I used to be a much higher average bet player, around 3000 average bet, years ago. I had a trip where I won mid six figures, many trips where I won low six figures, and many trips where I won or lost low to mid five figures. Finally I got sick of the up and down, quit while way ahead, and gave up gaming completely for about a decade. During that time I finished law school, and developed my businesses that have only indirectly to do with law, sold a couple of my businesses and retained a stream of income from a few, and basically didn’t even think about casinos although I’d still visit Vegas and Tahoe constantly with my girlfriends at the time, but never play – not even a penny.
In 2018, now married and perhaps with too much money on my hands, I decided to give gaming a try again. I talked it over with friends and family, and decided that this time around – with Vegas 2.0 – that I would just play for fun, essentially for comps, and that all that was going to matter was staying ahead – that I would no longer be going for the constant “home runs” as in the past.
For whatever reason, this has worked out and I have not had a losing trip since 2018, and we go to Vegas – a few trips (mostly extended ones) a year. I am in Vegas right now playing, have been here a week, and am up +33K at this moment.
AW throws around a lot of numbers and seems to be panicked about what my net worth might or might not be, but I have never claimed anything specific nor would I ever. If he wants to sweat over what I might or might not have, that’s his obsession and problem.
To summarize “AW’s issue with me” – he initially seemed to think that whatever I posted was completely fabricated, but has now settled into this belief that everything may be genuine but that it must be being posted/lived by some “other MDawg” some other person who is other than I.
If you take the time to look over these two Wagers I proposed:
250K Wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...rs/#post796763
500K wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...12/#post797552
I think you will see exactly what AW thinks is untrue. As far as that second wager, AW said something about my transferring some bitcoin to show good faith (versus the cashier's checks I outlined in the Wagers), and I stated I was willing to transfer the entire half million at risk in the wager up front in bitcoin to the Wizard for him to hold for that Wager. So it’s not just that I am talking, but willing to back up what I claim with serious money wagers. While it may seem odd that anyone on the ‘net would wager such sums with an unknown party, both wagers are a lock because I know what I post is true, and these two wagers remain open for AW to pick up anytime before the end of this month.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
LOL ... You are a funny guy Dan.
Ah, the truth at last: you MARRIED into money.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
While you're gambling away her inheritance she's blowing the pool boy: apt.
It's amazing that a never losing, high rolling, Rolls Royce multi Rolex wearing, high-priced attorney, bigwig stock trader, baccarat aficionado who has 10 of millions in BTC alone, seem to care what(according to you) the..the attention-deficit disordered, very poor reader, uneducated, low rolling drunken AxelWolf says. You have started 3 - 5 threads about me(or has it been more?), you talk about me on multiple forums including one I rarely ever go to(including your very own?). You even take the time to pick through old posts while taking screenshots and then repost them. The only reasonable conclusion why you have spent soo much time on me(Not to mention the countless other people you coral with on almost a daily basis) would be that I have come close to the truth with my theories and that's really stuck in your craw.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Dan, as long as you went to the effort to ask, and as long as AW went to the monumental effort of writing something longer than a sentence, I suppose I should respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Although you asked me to set aside AxelWolf’s credibility for my response, I have to state that I believe that there are two reasons why AW has issues with me and many others on forums all across the internet:
1) I believe he has an attention deficit disorder and is a very poor reader. I doubt he reads or comprehends more than 20% of any long post made at these forums. By misreading or failing to read most of what is posted, he runs off half cocked with his own interpretation of what happened or is being said.
2) He is a street based con man, including always on the lookout for what he may hustle out of casinos, and imparts this sort of confidence trickster attitude into any associations he has – i.e., assumes that because he’s a con, that everyone else must be too.
All right, so the background on me in case you didn’t know is that I used to be a much higher average bet player, around 3000 average bet, years ago. I had a trip where I won mid six figures, many trips where I won low six figures, and many trips where I won or lost low to mid five figures. Finally I got sick of the up and down, quit while way ahead, and gave up gaming completely for about a decade. During that time I finished law school, and developed my businesses that have only indirectly to do with law, sold a couple of my businesses and retained a stream of income from a few, and basically didn’t even think about casinos although I’d still visit Vegas and Tahoe constantly with my girlfriends at the time, but never play – not even a penny.
In 2018, now married and perhaps with too much money on my hands, I decided to give gaming a try again. I talked it over with friends and family, and decided that this time around – with Vegas 2.0 – that I would just play for fun, essentially for comps, and that all that was going to matter was staying ahead – that I would no longer be going for the constant “home runs” as in the past.
For whatever reason, this has worked out and I have not had a losing trip since 2018, and we go to Vegas – a few trips (mostly extended ones) a year. I am in Vegas right now playing, have been here a week, and am up +33K at this moment.
AW throws around a lot of numbers and seems to be panicked about what my net worth might or might not be, but I have never claimed anything specific nor would I ever. If he wants to sweat over what I might or might not have, that’s his obsession and problem.
To summarize “AW’s issue with me” – he initially seemed to think that whatever I posted was completely fabricated, but has now settled into this belief that everything may be genuine but that it must be being posted/lived by some “other MDawg” some other person who is other than I.
If you take the time to look over these two Wagers I proposed:
250K Wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...rs/#post796763
500K wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...12/#post797552
I think you will see exactly what AW thinks is untrue. As far as that second wager, AW said something about my transferring some bitcoin to show good faith (versus the cashier's checks I outlined in the Wagers), and I stated I was willing to transfer the entire half million at risk in the wager up front in bitcoin to the Wizard for him to hold for that Wager. So it’s not just that I am talking, but willing to back up what I claim with serious money wagers. While it may seem odd that anyone on the ‘net would wager such sums with an unknown party, both wagers are a lock because I know what I post is true, and these two wagers remain open for AW to pick up anytime before the end of this month.
Let me know when you have anything other than words on the internet, let me know when you have actually met someone that can verify you are not full of shit, let me know when you have actually ever helped anyone from the forums IRL.
So MDawg posts this fantasy stuff on numerous forum and now both Wizard and Dan Druff have requested to meet him and observe his play. He refused wizard and will refuse Druff as well.
But it is very appropriate for these forum owners who provide the platform for this "adventure" to say "ENOUGH...show me".
The thing is, the lying fop doesn't violate any rules, as there are no rules prohibiting lying.
His detractors, in their zeal to unmask this fraud, do occasionally go too far and get suspended, which is what this asshat is all about.
While it would be best to ignore this lying sack of shit it is tough not to stare at this puss filled zit the size of an egg as it pops open and oozes all over the forums.
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Originally Posted by MisterVAh, the truth at last: you MARRIED into money.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
While you're gambling away her inheritance she's blowing the pool boy: apt.
Over the top MisterV. Uncalled for, there are other ways such as ignore, ignore, ignore.
MDawg, here's the problem with your bets:
Everyone knows that you will only go through with the bet if you can beat them, so it's a negative freeroll for them. Either you'll be able to show the proof and collect $250k from them, or you won't, and you will find a way to back out of it, once it comes to putting up the money. So their only upside is proving an anonymous forum guy wrong, and their downside is losing 250k! Not a good deal!
That's the problem with prohibitively large "I can prove this to you" bets. The other side is always afraid to risk the money, knowing that there's zero chance you'll actually put up the money if on the losing end, so they become afraid to make the bet.
I'll give you an example.
Let's say I came out here and announced that I text with Donald Trump at least once per week. Most people here wouldn't believe me.
Let's say I offered to a $250k bet that I could prove Donald Trump texts me a minimum of once per week.
I doubt anyone would take such a bet, knowing I'd only be putting up $250k if I could really prove I texted with Trump!
Does this mean I text with Trump? Obviously not. It just means that I'm challenging people to bet a huge sum of money over a fact which only I know is true or not.
This is why I am proposing to drop all of the betting nonsense, and simply meet up and see the proof. This will end the controversy both here and on WoV once and for all.
Will you do this?
FYI MDawg made it very clear regarding the 250k stock trade bet that he would prove the trades were real, but not that the trades/money funds, or however you want to put it, is his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Dan, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. I am willing to put up the money for the wagers, including by transferring the full sum in bitcoin up front to the Wizard to hold.
I no longer deign to respond to anything AW, and a good many others, have to say, if you haven't noticed.
https://i.imgur.com/fy6XIT0l.jpg
If you want to put up money on your own, that's great.
But the bets you're proposing are hindering the verification. Because if you can't find someone to put up $250k on the other side, that conveniently excuses you from having to prove anything.
I am stating that nobody should put up any money. You should just meet someone (I will volunteer), and prove these items. Then this person can come back and report whether you sufficiently proved your claims to them.
Simple, right?
I am interested in proving myself to anyone who challenges my veracity if it is worth my time and effort. AW challenged that. He will have to pay for the insult, and the privilege of being proven wrong - if not, he may go about his way being ignored. The way I look at it, he's not anyone I know or trust. I have to waste my time meeting him to prove something to someone that many on here say is a con man not to be trusted? If I'm going to do that, and have somebody whom I view as a con man obtain my identity, it has to be more than worth it to me. So that's as far as AW.
As far as you, for some reason I thought you lived in Vegas? I am not sure I'll still be in Vegas in six weeks, as we arrived about a week ago. We may still be here through the end of April, but not much past then. My wife and I are both vaccinated.
If MDawg proves his claims to Dan's satisfaction, then shouldn't there be some comeuppance for the members who have insisted that his claims are fake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What if the doubters refuse to accept Dan's findings, and continue to harass and insult MDawg over his claims, shouldn't there be some kind of penalty or retribution?
Otherwise the dispute remains unresolved, and Dan is labeled as an unreliable judge, duped by MDawg, or even an MDawg confederate.
Several of the doubters have already expressed that there is no evidence MDawg can produce that will convince them that the claims are true, nor any judge's opinion that they would accept.
There needs to be some humble pie to be served as a result of this judging exercise...some teeth behind the judge's decision.
Lost money would be the most humbling, that's why there needs to be a bet.
The notion of a nay-sayer having to bet a quarter million dollars to induce someone to "prove" their claim is silly; he claims he's an attorney, and no attorney has to pay anything other than a token filing fee to a court clerk in order to have the opportunity to submit a dispute to an impartial arbiter for decision.
I believe that he doesn't want anyone to learn anything about him or his claims as it would then be "game over" for him, he'd be buried and dismissed as yet another internet fraud.
I also question whether Dan watching a few hours of casino play would be enough to definitively say whether his claims are true, given the potential for variance.
Regardless, I believe that he won't accept any such challenge.
His claim holds no more water than alan's "eighteen yo's in a row."
He "never loses at baccarat?"
Really?
That claim of his is the basis for my objection: it is for all practical purposes an impossible assertion.
The reality is that I believe he'll not go through with a bet, nor with a meet and greet, same as with Singer and the Newell.
Let the tap dancing continue while some of the crowd politely clap and others hurl rotten cabbage at him: he seems to like it, actually.
Were I the arbiter I'd want to look at his tax returns for the past couple years to see how he handled his claimed winnings, tax-wise: I'd want to see both the returns themselves as well as proof of payment of the tax due on his claimed winnings, that would be a start.
Follow that with hm providing verification of sums on deposit in the bank or elsewhere in his name, sums sufficient to comforably and realistically support his claimed level of regular casino play; were he to show on his tax returns that he claimed and paid tax on a large amount of winnings for years in a row and also that he had access to over ten million in funds then and now then I might, just might, start to come around, and if the proof is sufficient I would apologize and admit I was wrong.
He hasn't claimed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
For something like that, MDawg requires you to start by agreeing to a wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
That is a totally reasonable requirement.
"Virtue is its own reward."
"Be patient. Patience is the mother of all virtues."
Patience?
How would patience assist in processing the following ridiculous claim of his?
"Still it somewhat reminds me of when we used to ride around in my parents' Rolls as teenagers and once some guy said "Daddy's Rolls" as we pulled through by a night club. My cousin said to him, "Your Daddy got one too?" That shut him up."
You actually believed that ridiculous, childish brag?
I didn't, and it set the tone for further disbelief.
Whatever man, if you believe him, if you believe in the tooth fairy, Santa and bigfoot, more power to you: just don't post about it here and not expect to be disbelieved.
I don't give another's bragging so much consideration, but I don't find that particular story ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I've heard plenty of similar conversations, I read the RR story once and never gave it a second thought.
But to each his own, don't beat yourself up over it...I'm sure there are Rolls owners living in Haddonfield too.
That's because you can see the writing on the wall. The only people that may possibly believe your claims are either trolls or retards. As each day passes by it seems like more and more people are calling BS. Even the "I always win guys" the system players and the people who want to believe in pipedreams realize you are full of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
yeah, when you lose EvenBob believing your nonsense, there really isn't anyone else left. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Dan, I think you know a little about how BTC works as does OnceDear. MDawg would have us believe he is a high-priced lawyer Mdawg claims that he was accepting BTC as payment 10 years ago(i don't know if he said that a year ago, or exactly when he said it) and he has been buying and holding it every since.
One must assume a high-priced attorney's fee would be pretty hefty, one must also assume nobody would bother messing around paying their lawyers fees with Bitcoin for only a few hundred bucks. So for every 1k he was paid in BTC that would be in the 15 million dollar range. It would be easy to prove this without any risk to himself, his identity, or anything, and the cost would be pennies.
But EvenRetard tries to play himself off as an AP to make himself look smart. He's everything except an AP or smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJyeah, when you lose EvenBob believing your nonsense, there really isn't anyone else left. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Did he post regularly at Gamler's Glen, under that name or another?
I seem to recall something about roulette ... maybe not.
Some of those cats were way out there.
His name was SPIKE.
Bingo, I remember him now.
He seemed pretty rabid back in the day.
As I said, there are many other longtime forum members you could meet to prove this. It doesn't have to be Axel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
And it definitely doesn't have to involve money or a large bet.
Clearly you are avoiding meeting anyone, and the giant bet requirement is the avenue you're using. I've been online for decades, and I've seen this tactic used many times.
You say it's not "worth your time", but yet you've spent a ton of time arguing the matter on this forum and on WoV. So clearly it is worth your time.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And they don't require people to put up $250k to obtain that extraordinary proof from you.
Given your hesitancy to prove yourself -- even to neutral third parties -- it looks highly likely to me that you've fibbed about a lot of things.
Wish bias Dan would take the same approach and concerns when AP’s like Darkie say he makes 8K a day in that sewer in NY or 20K a week in A.C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I always say it’s his site to do what ever it is he wants. But in my opinion “BIAS Dan Druff” would be a more fitting and honest screen name for him.
Dan, I'll respond to you because you're the forum owner. In case you haven't noticed I stopped responding to most of the others.
If you know anything about stock trading accounts, you will recognize the screenshots I've posted with regards to those transactions as genuine.
If you know anything about casino WIN statements, you will recognize the videos I've posted of me logging into my accounts as genuine.
If you know anything about watches, you will recognize the videos of me examining and weighing just a few of my watches as genuine.
And if not - then what we have is more of a pearls before swine situation than anything else.
As you put it once, that's about all the time I'm willing to put into corroboration at this time.
Hey Dan, The first chance FagDawg got. https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...RATS-CHALLENGEQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Sox, I always liked your style, hey hey.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Assuming you don't have a mathematical advantage or some angle, because there are legit non-betting system ways to beat baccarat. There is a simple way to do this without some complicated x number of hands, up or down x amount, or whatever BS people come up with. Whatever you normally bet, just bet a fraction of that amount, and one will book the rest of your action win or lose at x times your bet. For example, if you normally bet 500k per hand, just bet $10, and you will be paid 50x whatever you win or you will owe that person 50x whatever you lose. You can have someone both people trust there to hold the money and make there are the proper settlements being paid out. Either person can stop or continue whenever they want.
Does it really matter to you who pays you the money, either an individual or the casino?
MFAGNO, that's not how it went down you fucktard. IF YOU ALWAYS WIN, like you were basically claiming, then you shouldn't have a problem paying any losses if I were to mimic your bets and I lost. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU NEVER LOSE. I was going to give you half the profits. It's a win-win if you are telling the truth about your play. My point was... YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, or you could easily offer that deal, and you should as a business proposition. Since I would be using my own money, you would have nothing to lose. I have offered people deals when AP'ing because I'm so confident they will win that THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY OF THEIR LOSSES IF THEY LOSE, or even use their own money, I COVER IT and if they win they get to keep half, or whatever deal we come up with. They get a free roll because I'm not full of shit when it comes to making real money that can be backed up by the math, game rules/paytables/promotions, and real people in real life who can verify many of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
On a recent AP play, I was so confident we would win, I loaned someone 5K just to play and made a deal with them. I had never even done any AP business with this person or known them very long, they are not really an AP, but I bet that's going to change soon enough, I had/have enough faith and confidence in them knowing they will be start and low key.
MDwag = no value to anyone other than totally unsubstantiated BS LOL entertainment on a few forums.
Again, let me know when anyone has actually gained anything substantial from anything you are rambling on about. I can guarantee you people have made significant amounts of money and knowledge from the information, plays, teachings, and help I have provided.
DAN, I would also like to point out, in case you have forgotten, that I have given you my opinion on a few people early on, it has actully been multiple I have advised, it's always well before you all get what's actually going on with these people. Some people don't take my advice but in the end, guess what, I'm right. There may have been a few situations where I'm skeptical(but not advising) but I quickly figure it out and let people know.
Of course Blackhole, what would you expect? The ones who post zero proof of anything are the ones who will always demand more and more from someone who has posted plenty of proof of everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What MDawg is doing is a hoot, more so at WoV than here, because WoV purports to be some helping-civilians-gamble-through-math site.
I have one major issue with MDawg's reports. He skips reporting the sessions when he loses, and then gets upset when people say he's lying. You really shouldn't get upset when people point out that skipping losing sessions is not truth-telling.
About 10 years ago, I won 17 consecutive ATS games in a public contest. At about the 11-in-a-row mark, I started doing articles about the streak. I pulled up actuarial table stats and showed the statistical real world equivalents of what I was doing.
So, in coach belly's lingo, I was demonstrating that what I was doing not impossible -- LOL. What I did had real world and not unheard of equivalents. I was hoping to get to 17 in a row, which (and you can look it up) is roughly equivalent to "death by reptile" in insurance numbers. And indeed I did -- I hit "death by reptile" before finally losing.
Now what I suggest is going back at WoV or here and tallying up the number of winning-session MDawg reports over the last couple of years. If he's not using some mega-Martingale, then the likelihood of his winning any session must be 60% or less (assuming a mini-Martingale). Then attach a real world equivalency to that figure, whatever it may be. I'm thinking his current streak is somewhere in the ballpark of "death by reptile" or longer.
As his wins continue, the absurdity of the figure will become more and more evident. Now MDawg can skirt this particular issue by reporting a 1 out of 10 losing session or something, and that would be pretty funny as well, but not half as much fun as never losing.
The issue from a site owner's perspective is that if you're going to allow ongoing unlikely events to be reported, everyone can pitch in and make stuff up and the site loses all credibility (or what little it has). The mickey crimms and Axelwolfs of the world get drowned by the gobbledygook. You wind up with nothing unless you start putting disclaimers on all of the junk.
It would be quite funny, for several people to fabricate grandiose delusional tales, over there at the same time. As we've seen many times before, the " Man in charge " and to a much lesser extent his willing lackey, would put a quick stop to it in short order.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffAs I said, there are many other longtime forum members you could meet to prove this. It doesn't have to be Axel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
And it definitely doesn't have to involve money or a large bet.
Clearly you are avoiding meeting anyone, and the giant bet requirement is the avenue you're using. I've been online for decades, and I've seen this tactic used many times.
You say it's not "worth your time", but yet you've spent a ton of time arguing the matter on this forum and on WoV. So clearly it is worth your time.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And they don't require people to put up $250k to obtain that extraordinary proof from you.
Given your hesitancy to prove yourself -- even to neutral third parties -- it looks highly likely to me that you've fibbed about a lot of things.
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Originally Posted by blackhole
Well to put a little perspective on this blackhole, a tally up is in order.
Darkoz does not have his own "The Adventures of Darkoz" thread on the site.
Meanwhile, MDawg does have his own thread with 124 pages and 2463 posts included from the membership.
So where do you think Dan Druff should put his priorities concerning the number of current complaints coming in?
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Originally Posted by MDawg
MDawg, you are one great comedian or a great bob and weave boxer who never gets hit!
The assertion above is completely false, and demonstrates the author's bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Hit a house.
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Originally Posted by BoSox
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Originally Posted by blackhole
Well to put a little perspective on this blackhole, a tally up is in order.
Darkoz does not have his own "The Adventures of Darkoz" thread on the site.
Meanwhile, MDawg does have his own thread with 124 pages and 2463 posts included from the membership.
So where do you think Dan Druff should put his priorities concerning the number of current complaints coming in?
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Originally Posted by MDawg
MDawg, you are one great comedian or a great bob and weave boxer who never gets hit!
Here's a tidbit. One of the WoVers, TumblingBones, figured out my Fear and Loathing mimicry writing style and that E.R.'s Adventures was a timely homage. Shackleford did not get it (of course).
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...ke/#post799168
But here's the kicker:
MDawg and I have had some private conversations over the past year, and while I am an HST and Fear and Loathing lover, MDawg is even more of an aficionado, so MDawg "got it" immediately! But it appears MDawg may have complained to Shackleford anyway. Shackleford, who evidently is not much of a reader, never figured it out.
He should moderate his own bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
To claim that MDawg has a hesitancy to prove himself is ridiculous.
He's disqualified himself as a neutral third party.
Baloney.
Dan nailed it.
Alas and alack, he suffers fools gladly.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
In a way, it's an opportunity for VCT to supercede WoV as a "serious gambling site." Whoever holds MDawg's storyline to some halfway rigorous critique first winds up with real-world gambling credibility, if fewer clicks. Interesting situation.
I mean, given the rules and regs, there is absolutely nothing to prevent a dozen MDawg imitators from flooding WoV with snipe hunt gambling tales of all stripes. You could have lottery, keno, sports gambling, bubble craps -- all reading the streaks and plugging into Gaia or whatever. You can pile on the fiction until that's all there is at WoV, basically. What is Shackleford to do, declare it's all parody? LOL.
I have a much longer streak than the Dawg. I haven't won in 52 years of gambling. And I can prove it. I have no Newell; I have no fancy watches; I have no Bitcoin accounts; I don't have a string of poloponies (for you Honeymooners fans).
I don't even have a 9 and1/2 inch Schlong.
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Originally Posted by regnis
But you have something even more valuable: the class and dignity and self-respect that comes with writing non-fiction.
Although, truth to tell, I might opt for that 9 1/2 inch schlong. Depends on the width. Width counts.
One question Dan Druff may want to ask is how MDawg and his "hot wife" both got the covid vaccine while Dan has not had it yet. I'm thinking Dan is a little older than MDawg, they live in the same state, and MDawg doesn't appear to have an inside track like being an essential worker. It looks like MDawg and old lady beat a lot of you guys to the vaccine. This guy wins at everything.
You can get it if you really wantQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But you must try, try and try
Try and try, you'll succeed at last
You're a gullible old fart, no question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Psssst ... Hey Mickey ... Wanna buy a bridge I own in Brooklyn?
MisterV, you did not recognize the sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I think that the shrewd advantage play is to avoid gettin that so-call vaccine, hey hey.
Too late for me. I still haven't got the 2nd one tho, sooo...Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Why is that?
Why increase the risk of contracting a serious dose of covid-19 when a vaccine exists to minimize your chances of getting seriously ill?
What, were you a Trumpie before Humpty Trumpie had his great fall?
I've had both vaccine shots. First shot was Feb 26, 2nd shot was Mar 19. Experienced no side effects but I knew that would be the case. I've been poked with every vaccine known to man and have never had any kind of reaction from them. If you haven't seen the latest stats, AstraZeneca is showing 76% effective in blocking covid and 100% effective in no one getting seriously ill. That's the part no one seems interested in talking about, 100% effective from serious illness. It means covid won't be any worse than a cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
I've never understood anti-vaxxers. But I have them in my own family so what the hell. Oh, and I'm also a Trumpster, V.
Can you just rent a Newell for a day and take a photo of your chips and watches on the mattress?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Believe or not Mick, I’m with you. I’ve believed from the start that this has been overblown for most of us. But I have no doubt people in your case with medical histories could and did die if they got it. The vaccines are a good thing and I actually got my first Moderna shot Tuesday. And has the next scheduled in 4 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've had both vaccine shots. First shot was Feb 26, 2nd shot was Mar 19. Experienced no side effects but I knew that would be the case. I've been poked with every vaccine known to man and have never had any kind of reaction from them. If you haven't seen the latest stats, AstraZeneca is showing 76% effective in blocking covid and 100% effective in no one getting seriously ill. That's the part no one seems interested in talking about, 100% effective from serious illness. It means covid won't be any worse than a cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
I've never understood anti-vaxxers. But I have them in my own family so what the hell. Oh, and I'm also a Trumpster, V.
The process was simple in Florida as we have more vaccines than takers. Monday DeSantis dropped the age to 50 and I signed up I’m less than 5 minutes. This coming Monday he is dropping it to 40 and opening it up to anyone 18 and up that wants it the next week. We are around 70% of the population over 65 having gotten at least one shot. In the most cases the rest don’t want it. Many of them are minorities, mostly black. DeSantis has done multiple programs including outreaches and clinics at black churches to make it possible for them, but some just don’t want it.
And there are a portion of Trump supporters I talk to who won’t get it, including seniors I talk to at bars. I disagree with them but it’s their right.
I personally made the decision not out of fear or need, but I know a time will come where I need it to travel. I am going to Hawaii this year and reports are they will accept vaccinations instead of tests later this spring. Same with islands and in the Caribbean. And if it helps get the airlines to stop requiring masks I’m all for it. But I truly believe liberals are going to push for mask wearing forever.I’m hope I’m wrong.
As for the process, I drove in and showed a barcode we got when registering. My wife and I both had shots within 5 minutes while sitting in our Jeep. Waiting 15 minutes to make sure we were ok after the shot was the longest part.
People who only reference death as the only negative outcome seem a bit dumb. I'm not sure how often these 'long-haulers' exist but there is that and just the fact that no one really knows what damage this virus can do to someone's body longterm. Even if you live it might take a serious notch out of your life-expectancy or make your standard of living considerably lower.
I'm very surprised you took the "jab" Boz. I believe your under 60, from what you've said, your in decent/good health. I understand it might be a sad reality in the near future, to have to take it for any kind of travel( other then auto)but thats not a total given yet. Mickey on the other hand, I understand pushing 70 in poor health. If he was under 60 in decent shape, I would be totally shocked if he would take it willingly. At 50 in very good health, I have zero intentions of taking it. Load of rubbish for most people in decent health.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozBelieve or not Mick, I’m with you. I’ve believed from the start that this has been overblown for most of us. But I have no doubt people in your case with medical histories could and did die if they got it. The vaccines are a good thing and I actually got my first Moderna shot Tuesday. And has the next scheduled in 4 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've had both vaccine shots. First shot was Feb 26, 2nd shot was Mar 19. Experienced no side effects but I knew that would be the case. I've been poked with every vaccine known to man and have never had any kind of reaction from them. If you haven't seen the latest stats, AstraZeneca is showing 76% effective in blocking covid and 100% effective in no one getting seriously ill. That's the part no one seems interested in talking about, 100% effective from serious illness. It means covid won't be any worse than a cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
I've never understood anti-vaxxers. But I have them in my own family so what the hell. Oh, and I'm also a Trumpster, V.
The process was simple in Florida as we have more vaccines than takers. Monday DeSantis dropped the age to 50 and I signed up I’m less than 5 minutes. This coming Monday he is dropping it to 40 and opening it up to anyone 18 and up that wants it the next week. We are around 70% of the population over 65 having gotten at least one shot. In the most cases the rest don’t want it. Many of them are minorities, mostly black. DeSantis has done multiple programs including outreaches and clinics at black churches to make it possible for them, but some just don’t want it.
And there are a portion of Trump supporters I talk to who won’t get it, including seniors I talk to at bars. I disagree with them but it’s their right.
I personally made the decision not out of fear or need, but I know a time will come where I need it to travel. I am going to Hawaii this year and reports are they will accept vaccinations instead of tests later this spring. Same with islands and in the Caribbean. And if it helps get the airlines to stop requiring masks I’m all for it. But I truly believe liberals are going to push for mask wearing forever.I’m hope I’m wrong.
As for the process, I drove in and showed a barcode we got when registering. My wife and I both had shots within 5 minutes while sitting in our Jeep. Waiting 15 minutes to make sure we were ok after the shot was the longest part.
Yea, I expected it and heard it from a few friends as well. Correct I am 56 and in good health other than high cholesterol and probably a liver that I ask too much of. My wife is 51 and in good health as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyI'm very surprised you took the "jab" Boz. I believe your under 60, from what you've said, your in decent/good health. I understand it might be a sad reality in the near future, to have to take it for any kind of travel( other then auto)but thats not a total given yet. Mickey on the other hand, I understand pushing 70 in poor health. If he was under 60 in decent shape, I would be totally shocked if he would take it willingly. At 50 in very good health, I have zero intentions of taking it. Load of rubbish for most people in decent health.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozBelieve or not Mick, I’m with you. I’ve believed from the start that this has been overblown for most of us. But I have no doubt people in your case with medical histories could and did die if they got it. The vaccines are a good thing and I actually got my first Moderna shot Tuesday. And has the next scheduled in 4 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The process was simple in Florida as we have more vaccines than takers. Monday DeSantis dropped the age to 50 and I signed up I’m less than 5 minutes. This coming Monday he is dropping it to 40 and opening it up to anyone 18 and up that wants it the next week. We are around 70% of the population over 65 having gotten at least one shot. In the most cases the rest don’t want it. Many of them are minorities, mostly black. DeSantis has done multiple programs including outreaches and clinics at black churches to make it possible for them, but some just don’t want it.
And there are a portion of Trump supporters I talk to who won’t get it, including seniors I talk to at bars. I disagree with them but it’s their right.
I personally made the decision not out of fear or need, but I know a time will come where I need it to travel. I am going to Hawaii this year and reports are they will accept vaccinations instead of tests later this spring. Same with islands and in the Caribbean. And if it helps get the airlines to stop requiring masks I’m all for it. But I truly believe liberals are going to push for mask wearing forever.I’m hope I’m wrong.
As for the process, I drove in and showed a barcode we got when registering. My wife and I both had shots within 5 minutes while sitting in our Jeep. Waiting 15 minutes to make sure we were ok after the shot was the longest part.
I gambled for the past year and didn’t think much of it and still don’t. I figured if I got it, like some of my friends did we would be fine and it wasn’t worth stopping my life over. And I traveled all over the country.
But I know, or believe, we aren’t getting away easily and there will be punishment for those who don’t in regards to travel and such. And I have to say, I’m far more afraid of a swab up my nose than a shot or 2. I never took a test and won’t. Hopefully the card covers me.
This is one battle I didn’t want to fight to continue to do the traveling we enjoy. And I’m not ready to believe any conspiracies that the vaccine is anything other than a vaccine like many I took as a kid. Hopefully I’m right.
It's usually a fives year process for vaccine to be created, go through various trial and release to the market. These vaccine were rush through in months or weeks. Also, various governments have given these drug company immunity so you have no recourse to sue if you experience the side effect. So, yu cats are more than welcome to my dosage, hey hey.
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Originally Posted by soxfan
Exactly, that polio vaccine I took as a kid fucked my life up.
Say, don’t you claim to beat Baccarat and Craps daily hey hey?
It is a vaccine not a drug with repeated use. It is basically a bunch of proteins or something. There isn't a whole lot there to go wrong in you. The numbers are pretty settled. If you're not a tard you can look it up and make a rational decision or just assume you're likely to get covid at some point, yep yep a huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Did your arm grow a 2nd asshole, asshole?Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Exactly, that polio vaccine I took as a kid fucked my life up.
Say, don’t you claim to beat Baccarat and across daily hey hey?
(hey.. the wording is funny.. yep yep a huh
there is till long process vaccine must go through to be apporved and these were not. As I said you are more than welcome to my dosage, hey hey.
Yep, the baccarats was my fulls time gig and only source of active income for 12 year, hey hey.
If you are going to reject advances in science and technology, you might as well throw away that computer and cell phone that emit radiation, move to Pennsylvania, live on a farm with no electricity and drive a horse and buggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
If everyone were to get the vaccine, covid could be eradicated worldwide like Smallpox. People like you will prevent that from happening and instead protection from covid will require annual or maybe twice annual vaccination, while the death rate will settle down some, not as high as this first year, but settle down to somewhere in the top 10 cause of death for a disease that could have been eradicated.
Just a word of caution. When you or a loved one contracts a sever case of covid, is hospitalized and dying from a disease that could have been prevented, it is a little late to have regrets and embrace technology that can save your life.
You must be one of those statist, big government loving leftist demorats, right! Anyway, as I said previous you are more than welcome to my dosage, hey hey.
Well, I don't need "your" dosage, I have my own. There is more than enough for everyone, or will be shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
As far as my politics, you are wrong, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. I embrace advances in technology and medicine. Advances in medicine have saved my life twice now through 2 heart surgeries.
Non medical we have all sorts of advances that I embrace. Today. I watched live some sweet 16 games of march madness on a big screen TV, rather than listening on the radio or reading about it in the newspaper 2 days after the fact. That is what life is about....advances. But like I said, you can always join the Amish, rejecting science, technology and advances. Their kids are leaving in droves, so they can use some new dumbasses.
There were anti-vaxers running loose before Covid-19 came to town: it's nothing new.
We're gamblers on this board: not taking the vaccine is just a roll of the dice.
You've gotta ask yourself one thing: "Do I feel lucky."
You can look at it the exact same way with taking the vaccine. We frame it depending on our biases.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
The thing is though, it seems far more likely to be some nasty covid longhauler than have some longterm health complication due to vaccine. Yes, it could be that the vaccine is found to have some unknown side-effect. This is a 2 time or rare sort of deal. It isn't the same as taking a longterm drug. People who want to make the point vaccine's are untested love to make the comparison to medications people take daily for long periods of times. It doesn't seem the same to me. I've never heard credible concerns about the vaccine just generalized paranoia at the unknown. Never scenarios from legitimate experts.
It's a damned shame that the issue has been so politicized.
Due to the increasingly poor results of the American educational system, our citizens seem to have ever increasing difficulty in thinking things through and then forming their own opinion.
It must be a lot easier as well as a bit comforting to let other people do your thinking for you, e.g. the gospel according to Trump / Fox News.
Yes, being spoon-fed your beliefs sure makes for an easy life, albeit one arguably not worth living.
The Dems called Trump wreckless for pushing the quick development of a vaccine. But now the Dems are pushing everyone to quickly take the vaccine. Flip-flop assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Ok, I'm onboard with cognitive decline. I'm not picking on him anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe Dems called Trump wreckless for pushing the quick development of a vaccine. But now the Dems are pushing everyone to quickly take the vaccine. Flip-flop assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
You seem to be politicizing it. Trump is always pushing for people to take the vaccine last I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
How is this even a "vaccine"? It doesn't prevent the disease. It just supposedly lessens the effects Should you contract the virus.
If I already had the virus why would I want to get the shot when my body already built immunity against it naturally.
I don't trust today's institutional advice because they are too worried about politics rather than competence. I have yet to hear a valid argument for me to take the shot. That's me formulating my own opinion. You can have my dose.
Max,
If you're not up on the latest, the problem with not taking the vaccine is that if you've had the original strain of Covid-19, you do not have much in the way of natural immunity to the variants, which are more easily transmitted and have somewhat more deadly effects. Having had Covid more than six months ago provides some protection, but not complete, against similar strains. Vaccines provide more protection against the variants than having had the virus already. The main thing the vaccines all do is really cut into the likelihood of serious illness from Covid. You may still get it, but death rates are much lower if you do get it.
If you're hesitant about new tech, you might want to opt for the Johnson and Johnson, which uses established methods and old tech. That's what I'll be doing in a week or so.
I think Trump did the basic minimum stuff for the vaccine. He didn't hinder things AFAIK but he aided in this being politized.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYou seem to be politicizing it. Trump is always pushing for people to take the vaccine last I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
How is this even a "vaccine"? It doesn't prevent the disease. It just supposedly lessens the effects Should you contract the virus.
If I already had the virus why would I want to get the shot when my body already built immunity against it naturally.
I don't trust today's institutional advice because they are too worried about politics rather than competence. I have yet to hear a valid argument for me to take the shot. That's me formulating my own opinion. You can have my dose.
Remember the dude literally took the vaccine in secret. How on any level is that pushing others to do it?
My guess is other vaccines work the same. It lets your body overrun infections at the very early stages. No one knows when this happens. Do we think other vaccines are particularly different? Why would you think that?
They claim that the vaccine is better than your natural immunity but I don't know if I particularly trust this although I do expect it is true.
No, scientists aren't worried about politics. This is too much bullshit media. Legitimate scientists look for the truth and nothing but the truth. That is most of their value system. Politics has little to do with their decisions in general. (Not that there aren't tons of obvious exceptions but the scientific community in general is not political in their science..)
WOW, my thread has really gotten off track.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI think Trump did the basic minimum stuff for the vaccine. He didn't hinder things AFAIK but he aided in this being politized.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYou seem to be politicizing it. Trump is always pushing for people to take the vaccine last I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
How is this even a "vaccine"? It doesn't prevent the disease. It just supposedly lessens the effects Should you contract the virus.
If I already had the virus why would I want to get the shot when my body already built immunity against it naturally.
I don't trust today's institutional advice because they are too worried about politics rather than competence. I have yet to hear a valid argument for me to take the shot. That's me formulating my own opinion. You can have my dose.
Remember the dude literally took the vaccine in secret. How on any level is that pushing others to do it?
My guess is other vaccines work the same. It lets your body overrun infections at the very early stages. No one knows when this happens. Do we think other vaccines are particularly different? Why would you think that?
They claim that the vaccine is better than your natural immunity but I don't know if I particularly trust this although I do expect it is true.
No, scientists aren't worried about politics. This is too much bullshit media. Legitimate scientists look for the truth and nothing but the truth. That is most of their value system. Politics has little to do with their decisions in general. (Not that there aren't tons of obvious exceptions but the scientific community in general is not political in their science..)
Anyways, My goal is to get jabbed with all four of the vaccines. :cool:
I might split off this vaccine stuff to a different thread shortly.
Anyway, it is smart for anyone over 45 to get the vaccine.
Is there a risk? Yes. Anyone who denies there being a risk is delusional.
Is there less of a risk taking the vaccine at 45+ than being harmed by COVID at 45+? Yes. Anyone who thinks the vaccine is a greater risk is delusional.
Are there unknowns about the long term effects of the vaccine? Yes.
Are there unknowns about the long term effects of COVID, even if you "get over it"? Yes.
The media has been intentionally silent about the differences in age group risks for COVID, but in reality the risk to a 50-year-old is FAR higher than the risk to a 25-year-old (which is very unusual for communicable diseases).
If you run the math on this, there's no question that people 45+ should get vaccinated ASAP. People under 25 should wait. People 25-30 should probably wait. People 31-39 are kind of a toss-up as to what to do. People 40-44 should probably get the vaccine, but it's not as clear cut.
99.6% of all COVID deaths in the US were people 30+, even though people 0-29 make up 39% of the population!
99.96% of all COVID deaths were people 18+.
Is everyone going to die eventually?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yes.
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