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Thanks for explaining that to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Part of your problem is you think everyone here is an idiot.
You imply here that winning more off of freeplay creates a better rating. Please explain. You also imply that you are going for a larger win which could only be accomplished by deviating from standard strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You claimed in the past you played VP for mail. What you're describing here seems more like ploppie 'hoping to get lucky' play.
... and the extra detail to sell the story. No kewl lie is complete without it!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
No, Kewl's problem is he is too big of an idiot to realize he offends others with his idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogThanks for explaining that to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Part of your problem is you think everyone here is an idiot.
You imply here that winning more off of freeplay creates a better rating. Please explain. You also imply that you are going for a larger win which could only be accomplished by deviating from standard strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You claimed in the past you played VP for mail. What you're describing here seems more like ploppie 'hoping to get lucky' play.
He hasn't been answering my pointed questions lately. That is at least smart in that the hole isnt being dug any deeper.
I don't know what the fuck you are reading. Show me where I ever implied anything about playing for a larger win? Never fucking happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdog
Bigger issue is you have now become just like AinQ, who I mostly ignore. People like Singer and Mdawg have been trolls since day 1, or in Singers case, since the first day I encountered him. But AinQ and now you, started out as somewhat normal members, acting decent and normal and have just turned into trolls and complete assholes.
Is it this forum? Does this forum turn everyone into or bring out the asshole in people? :confused:
Jdog is a guy who said the above. "8 hands out of $15 freeplay", betting $5 a hand. :confused: I don't know maybe that is some new math I don't know about. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jdog
So I explained that $15 is 3 hands or rounds at $5 and he gets all upset that I am talking down to him. WTF!
Here is an idea, Jdog. Stop saying stupid shit and I won't have to explain things to you.
It's probably just time for you to reinvent yourself and change your identity. KewlJ is undeniably known as FraudJ.....RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI don't know what the fuck you are reading. Show me where I ever implied anything about playing for a larger win? Never fucking happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdog
Bigger issue is you have now become just like AinQ, who I mostly ignore. People like Singer and Mdawg have been trolls since day 1, or in Singers case, since the first day I encountered him. But AinQ and now you, started out as somewhat normal members, acting decent and normal and have just turned into trolls and complete assholes.
Is it this forum? Does this forum turn everyone into or bring out the asshole in people? :confused:
No different than moving from the heroin tunnel to the meth tunnel. Sometimes people just need a new beginning.
Yep he dodged my question and also acted like he didn't understand what his statement implied.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
kewl, you're turning people against you because you keep lying. And most people here are sick of it. It's just that simple.
Buddy even if I ask you completely reasonable questions you ignore them. You airbnb your place out .. they want to cancel on prime time. You say yes. So you apparently rented a place elsewhere in LVand moved all your stuff. Like you would even believe their excuse but no way you are insanely nice and did what you claimed. You start out showing you are Mr biz but then you gotta fatten it up a bit with a real life aspect, yanno? But it makes so little sense. You just can't help yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI don't know what the fuck you are reading. Show me where I ever implied anything about playing for a larger win? Never fucking happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdog
Bigger issue is you have now become just like AinQ, who I mostly ignore. People like Singer and Mdawg have been trolls since day 1, or in Singers case, since the first day I encountered him. But AinQ and now you, started out as somewhat normal members, acting decent and normal and have just turned into trolls and complete assholes.
Is it this forum? Does this forum turn everyone into or bring out the asshole in people? :confused:
Tunnel dwellers often imagine how altruistic they would be if they ever escape their reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Hey I was just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were willing to play the freeplay down to zero to hit a bigger hand. This made your claim more plausible. So if you're only playing the 3 hands of freeplay every day then this will take you more like 35.8yrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Now how many unlikely claims like this have you made on this forum??
Below he claims that his driver played 3 million hands of VP, over the course of their partnership, which I recall was 10 years. Isn't that something like playing 7 hours per day, every day for 10 years?Quote:
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3 million hands would be about 3000 hours for someone who plays regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyBelow he claims that his driver played 3 million hands of VP, over the course of their partnership, which I recall was 10 years. Isn't that something like playing 7 hours per day, every day for 10 years?Quote:
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I will say that back in that time period there was quite a few places that the mail on VP was worth 108-112%. So FraudJ's total claim of $375k lifetime earn on that 4 million or so coin jives perfectly in that aspect.
1000 hands per hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
How long does it take to reach that level from novice?
Maybe a month or so of daily play. If a machine can support turbo play there are plenty of people that can get close to 1500 hands per hour. I know someone that can get around 2500 hands per hour on two machines simultaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly1000 hands per hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
How long does it take to reach that level from novice?
What does an "ass-harp" sound like?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Are they difficult to keep in tune?
Do most orchestras have one?
I too had hit two dozen royals before learning the order of hands.
Only if the claimed earn jives with the number of hands claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
He's claiming 4 million total combined hands played, over 10 years.
It's reasonable to assume 25cents per credit, $1.25 per hand, 4 million hands played, $5 million total wager, $375K earn, which is a 107.5% return.
Any other denomination would not jive.
The combined play for the fulltime counter and his driver would need to average 100 hands per hour, for 3650 consecutive 11-hour playing days.
Is that likely?
Considering the circumstances of the players involved, under what likely scenario could that volume of play be accomplished?
If one has played a lot of poker online or in general it won't take long. If you can comfortably piano key it helps. 1400 an hour seems about right but when tired or distracted errors happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMaybe a month or so of daily play. If a machine can support turbo play there are plenty of people that can get close to 1500 hands per hour. I know someone that can get around 2500 hands per hour on two machines simultaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly1000 hands per hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
How long does it take to reach that level from novice?
Are you talking about the guy whose play was videoed and posted on WOV?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
We will just call this coach belly's alternative "new" math.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyOnly if the claimed earn jives with the number of hands claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
He's claiming 4 million total combined hands played, over 10 years.
It's reasonable to assume 25cents per credit, $1.25 per hand, 4 million hands played, $5 million total wager, $375K earn, which is a 107.5% return.
Any other denomination would not jive.
The combined play for the fulltime counter and his driver would need to average 100 hands per hour, for 3650 consecutive 11-hour playing days.
Is that likely?
Considering the circumstances of the players involved, under what likely scenario could that volume of play be accomplished?
Look, I appreciate that MaxPen and now AinQ, have for a rare occasion stopped trolling long enough to try to give CB a little education, but Belly has still come back firing proving just how much he doesn't know. Why do people do this? If you aren't knowledgeable about a certain topic, just keep you damn math closed. Has anyone ever heard me discuss 3 card poker or Mississippi stud, or join in on any kind of discussion about slot play? No. I don't play any of that. Don't know much about it. Don't pretend to know and keep my mouth shut and read and maybe, just maybe I might learn something.
And BTw, that is what occurred with this poker hand ranking that Smurgerbooger keeps trolling about. I said I didn't play Poker, like at a table against other players. You, know, like Dan Druff is a poker player. I have never played a single hand. When I started playing VP, I learned what hands paid what (although it is different for different games, no?). And yes, it is video poker, so I guess the rankings are the same as playing at a table against other players. But that is the point, I don't play regular poker, so I didn't concern myself with that. But it makes for a good troll, hun smurgerbooger?
I wasn't quite sure where Maxpen came up with this 4 million dollars coin in = $375k in profit. I now see it is because I said I played probably a million rounds and my partner 2.5-3 times that amount. Well most of my play was either 50 cent denomination or $1 denomination. Very little was at 25 cents. And my partner when he took over also was playing the $1 denomination. It was only after one year that we had a lot of handpays to try to offset that I suggested he play our coin-in at 25 cents if he had the time to minimize the hand pays.
So our coin in was higher than Maxpen estimated. BUT, number of rounds per hour was less. I know players can play 1000 rounds an hour, but I can't and don't. When I try to play too fast, I make mistakes. You usually see it about 1/100th of a second too late (VP players will know what I mean). And it is usually something minor like you missed a pair or something. You never miss 3 aces or 3 or 4 to a royal. it is always a pair just as your finger hits the draw button. So I don't play super fast. I would guess maybe 600 rounds an hour. If this sounds like a lot to anyone that doesn't play, that is a round every 6 seconds. Look at your watch or clock on the wall and see how long 6 seconds actually is. And I am sure 600 rounds and hour is slow for most players. My partner probably played even a little slower. Never timed him or cared.
Now given this new information, if you re-calculate using MaxPen's numbers and formula, you will see that our totals were under expectation. I always knew that, especially when my partner was playing. Didn't really care or at least not enough to make an issue of it. It was supplemental and we were both making some money. And just to be clear what I am suggesting: It is not that he was skimming, he just wasn't optimal with his play. But like I said, good enough for our purposes.
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Originally Posted by MisterVWhat does an "ass-harp" sound like?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Record yourself defending Kewl. Then hit play. There is your ass-harp.
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Originally Posted by coach bellyAre you talking about the guy whose play was videoed and posted on WOV?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
You really just shouldn't try to elaborate on a story. How about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWe will just call this coach belly's alternative "new" math.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyOnly if the claimed earn jives with the number of hands claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
He's claiming 4 million total combined hands played, over 10 years.
It's reasonable to assume 25cents per credit, $1.25 per hand, 4 million hands played, $5 million total wager, $375K earn, which is a 107.5% return.
Any other denomination would not jive.
The combined play for the fulltime counter and his driver would need to average 100 hands per hour, for 3650 consecutive 11-hour playing days.
Is that likely?
Considering the circumstances of the players involved, under what likely scenario could that volume of play be accomplished?
Look, I appreciate that MaxPen and now AinQ, have for a rare occasion stopped trolling long enough to try to give CB a little education, but Belly has still come back firing proving just how much he doesn't know. Why do people do this? If you aren't knowledgeable about a certain topic, just keep you damn math closed. Has anyone ever heard me discuss 3 card poker or Mississippi stud, or join in on any kind of discussion about slot play? No. I don't play any of that. Don't know much about it. Don't pretend to know and keep my mouth shut and read and maybe, just maybe I might learn something.
And BTw, that is what occurred with this poker hand ranking that Smurgerbooger keeps trolling about. I said I didn't play Poker, like at a table against other players. You, know, like Dan Druff is a poker player. I have never played a single hand. When I started playing VP, I learned what hands paid what (although it is different for different games, no?). And yes, it is video poker, so I guess the rankings are the same as playing at a table against other players. But that is the point, I don't play regular poker, so I didn't concern myself with that. But it makes for a good troll, hun smurgerbooger?
I wasn't quite sure where Maxpen came up with this 4 million dollars coin in = $375k in profit. I now see it is because I said I played probably a million rounds and my partner 2.5-3 times that amount. Well most of my play was either 50 cent denomination or $1 denomination. Very little was at 25 cents. And my partner when he took over also was playing the $1 denomination. It was only after one year that we had a lot of handpays to try to offset that I suggested he play our coin-in at 25 cents if he had the time to minimize the hand pays.
So our coin in was higher than Maxpen estimated. BUT, number of rounds per hour was less. I know players can play 1000 rounds an hour, but I can't and don't. When I try to play too fast, I make mistakes. You usually see it about 1/100th of a second too late (VP players will know what I mean). And it is usually something minor like you missed a pair or something. You never miss 3 aces or 3 or 4 to a royal. it is always a pair just as your finger hits the draw button. So I don't play super fast. I would guess maybe 600 rounds an hour. If this sounds like a lot to anyone that doesn't play, that is a round every 6 seconds. Look at your watch or clock on the wall and see how long 6 seconds actually is. And I am sure 600 rounds and hour is slow for most players. My partner probably played even a little slower. Never timed him or cared.
Now given this new information, if you re-calculate using MaxPen's numbers and formula, you will see that our totals were under expectation. I always knew that, especially when my partner was playing. Didn't really care or at least not enough to make an issue of it. It was supplemental and we were both making some money. And just to be clear what I am suggesting: It is not that he was skimming, he just wasn't optimal with his play. But like I said, good enough for our purposes.
Pick one of these places and tell us what you were playing coin in and what you were getting in offers.
Rampart
Arizona Charlie's (Decatur or Boulder)
M
Eastside Cannery
Cannery
Stations(Regular or Fiesta)
Las Vegas Club
The D
Vegas Club, nor Cannery were in my VP rotation.
But have you gone full blown coach belly here? Hoping for a gottch ya moment. :rolleyes:
I am NOT going to play you games Maxpen. I am NOT on trial, nor will capitulate to your demands.
Maybe at some point this will sink in.
I only asked for you to give 1. Pick any one of those places. You had to be playing at least a couple of those properties. All I'm trying to do is verify if you were or not. I'm not looking to tear you down. I'm looking to have some inkling that you're telling the truth about something. You already blew my theory on your VP based on number of hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The only thing I don't know is how many hands per hour your team averaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Their reference of 1000-1400 hands per hour doesn't apply, since you admit that you can't play that fast.
You don't seem to know how fast you or your partner played, but it's easily calculated.
How many hours of VP did your team average per day, and how many days did you play?
Did he play for an hour in that clip, or for a shorter period that was extrapolated?Quote:
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Originally Posted by coach bellyAre you talking about the guy whose play was videoed and posted on WOV?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
I have no idea. I don't think I actually ever saw the actual clip. Bottom line is he can play more hands per hour than anyone I know. I know plenty of people who play 1500 on a single machine with the right conditions. Most APs that were running coin fall in that 1000-1500/hour range depending on machine type and available settings and those speeds can easily be maintained for multiple hours. Although after 4 hours on some of the less ergonomic setups you can start to feel it. Those old school uprights are a commonly painful machine style to play but they make up for it with the turbo speed setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyDid he play for an hour in that clip, or for a shorter period that was extrapolated?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenYesQuote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
The U1 machines with the optimal hold setting selected can allow a player to get over 3k deals per hour on a single machine if I remember correctly. But there's no player decision at that point.
I saw a guy play two machines when the Palms had their bank of progressive deuces wild machines. He was over 2000 hands an hour. His head was lolling back and forth like Stevie Wonder. It looked autistic, but probably was not. I did see him make the occasional error that a Dancer would never have made, but I guess when you are north of 2000 hands an hour, that happens.
He could play like that for extended periods. Never watched him closely for more than 10 or 15 minutes, as it felt rude, but he was at it like that for a couple of hours on multiple occasions.
You really can't figure out anything unless you know how many hands per deal is being played along with the denom.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThe only thing I don't know is how many hands per hour your team averaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Their reference of 1000-1400 hands per hour doesn't apply, since you admit that you can't play that fast.
You don't seem to know how fast you or your partner played, but it's easily calculated.
How many hours of VP did your team average per day, and how many days did you play?
Someone playing single line quarters at 1000 deals per hour is going to get $1250/hr coin down
100 play they're getting $125k/hr down (*less time lost due to hand pays and buying in)
There was a young-looking white guy who used to play VP with headphones on, probably doing multiplayer day grinding. I saw him at both AZC-D and Suncoast I think in 2017. Any idea who that was?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI only asked for you to give 1. Pick any one of those places. You had to be playing at least a couple of those properties. All I'm trying to do is verify if you were or not. I'm not looking to tear you down. I'm looking to have some inkling that you're telling the truth about something. You already blew my theory on your VP based on number of hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
In trying to figure out how the team (tewj & his partner) played 4 million hands, is it likely that they utilized a 100-play machine, at a pace of 1000 deals per hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
He played a million hands, with the paytable displayed on half of the screen the entire time, and still does not know the rank of hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
I wonder how he knew what holds to make.
Ah, we're getting into a bit of Zen, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
How can I record the sound of me "defending" KJ when my communication is via keyboard, not by voice?
What, do I have to seek "the sound of one hand typing?"
for context, see: https://101-zen-stories.blogspot.com...-one-hand.html
Hey garnabby, what happened to the assharp image you posted and then deleted?
I was hoping to study it to improve my technique: i'm pretty rusty.
You really like harping on your ass-harp.Quote:
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This is actually more believable than most of his shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHe played a million hands, with the paytable displayed on half of the screen the entire time, and still does not know the rank of hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
I wonder how he knew what holds to make.
So he learns basic strategy, knows what a pair is and what it pays. But he has never in his life compared 2 poker hands.
He wouldn't even know how kickers or how to read a better flush.
I'm not saying his claim is very believable but I can at least come up with a path of possibility.
Just like your fav kewl, always 2 steps ahead of the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVAh, we're getting into a bit of Zen, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
How can I record the sound of me "defending" KJ when my communication is via keyboard, not by voice?
What, do I have to seek "the sound of one hand typing?"
for context, see: https://101-zen-stories.blogspot.com...-one-hand.html
I vaguely remember someone like that from ACD who I would see when in there. Doesn't really stand out though. I more remember people who really stand out.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerThere was a young-looking white guy who used to play VP with headphones on, probably doing multiplayer day grinding. I saw him at both AZC-D and Suncoast I think in 2017. Any idea who that was?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenI only asked for you to give 1. Pick any one of those places. You had to be playing at least a couple of those properties. All I'm trying to do is verify if you were or not. I'm not looking to tear you down. I'm looking to have some inkling that you're telling the truth about something. You already blew my theory on your VP based on number of hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
There was an old guy at Rampart who literally lived in the place who I nicknamed earmuffs. He rolled around with earmuffs that you would see someone with at the shooting range. A lot of times he'd have a cooler type bag too. I assume for his lunch. His wife recruited people to come in for cards and he'd run through whatever she got. Those are the kind of characters that stand out. Or the exceptionally weird looking characters one sees.
Fastest single machine video poker player:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/vega...-lou-antonius/
The stats:
I seem to recall someone doing about 2500 HPH playing two machines but can't find the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Coming up with a hands per hour by multiplying results of a short period and saying therefore, he could do xxx an hour doesn't work for me.
What is the fastest Mile ever run? about 3 min 40 seconds I think. By that measure he should run a marathon in about 90 minutes. BUT the fastest marathon ever run was just a few seconds short of 2 hours.
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Originally Posted by MaxPenI vaguely remember someone like that from ACD who I would see when in there. Doesn't really stand out though. I more remember people who really stand out.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerThere was a young-looking white guy who used to play VP with headphones on, probably doing multiplayer day grinding. I saw him at both AZC-D and Suncoast I think in 2017. Any idea who that was?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
There was an old guy at Rampart who literally lived in the place who I nicknamed earmuffs. He rolled around with earmuffs that you would see someone with at the shooting range. A lot of times he'd have a cooler type bag too. I assume for his lunch. His wife recruited people to come in for cards and he'd run through whatever she got. Those are the kind of characters that stand out. Or the exceptionally weird looking characters one sees.
To me the headphones stood out because especially in the pre-AirPod days you would never see a recreational player wearing headphones. But with straight up VP grinding I guess it rarely ever matters anyway.
Using actual results from 10 minutes of play to predict a 60 minutes theoretical result might be useful for forums and other social media chatter, but it's mathematically inaccurate for more relevant purposes. It's inexplicable why this exercise wasn't carried out for the full hour. Various human factors come into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
He played 385 hands in 10 minutes, but not every 10 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
My cruising speed was 1000 HPH. Pushing it faster caused mistakes. But the reality was after 5 hours I had maybe 3500 hands played. There’s lots of distractions including bathroom breaks. About 5 hours per day was all I could stand.