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LOL! You're weak, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
You could always count on that annoying piece of water logged driftwood popping up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey reminds me of the Democrats. Whatever they accuse you of doing is exactly what they in fact are doing.
I challenge anyone to go back and read just his last ten or twenty posts and report back the actual facts.
You're an idiot if you think I created BaccMaster sock puppet or have anything to do with it whatsoever, or even have the faintest idea who it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThat's why he created his BaccMaster sock puppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
He's a child...Peter Pan...not worth arguing with.
You gave him a fair opportunity, he didn't take it, he wanted to scam you.
Everything's gotta be a hustle when you're a dirtbag like him.
So now you're just making up complete total lies and stating them as facts. I guess I really hurt your feelings when I said you would not be involved on my end with me and Dawgs thing and that I would shut it down just to spite you.
Now why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You always love to be involved in other people's bet and challenges. So why don't you get involved in one yourself. Put up at least $5,000 to 10k and I'll give you 10 to 1 if you can come up with proof that I made that sock puppet account. If not I get the 5K. I'm willing to give access to anything an unbiased agreed-upon legitimate investigator would need to prove something either way. The bet would be resolved based on what he discovered and his conclusion if I made that suck puppet account. Loser pays the investigator. I'm willing to put the money in escrow, as long as you will as well.
It's hard to really respond to such an untrue ridiculous conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
The point is well made. If you claim to be an AP, you don't talk about what you are doing, and if you do (like homeless DarkOz), you are banned and forbidden from discussing it again.
Instead you make 18,000 posts about nothing of note. Mixed in there are many posts trying to disclaim or discredit anything said by anyone who actually does discuss what he is doing in any sort of detail.
And this goes for Axel, MickeyCrimm, the whole lot.
There is no doubt that you created the BaccMaster identity as a sock puppet, it's obvious from a quick look at the posting history.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The whole bet charade must be one of your hustles, something you set up in advance.
Now go get your shine box...to stand on so you can look grown-ups in the eye.
Here it is again, "put your money where your mouth is" This is always your go to line. You know damn well none of these bets ever happened and never will on any forum ever. I doubt you even own or ever saw a 100K. Then you want to carry on with this back and forth posting about this phony betting nonsense knowing it's never going to happen. It's just a phony tool you use to convince others of your bullshit con. Who would hold the money in escrow the same-ole, good-ole trustworthy Sad-Shack-Mike?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Knock this bullshit off. It's soooooooooooooooooo played out.
They are both societal dropouts with severe emotional problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Axel drank himself into a stupor the first time he met a couple of strangers from WOV, what's that tell you about his self esteem?
tickey is straight-up mentally ill, you can tell by his angry posts...the guy was homeless for years, and he's proud it.
Since this is the "Big Wins" thread, I wanted to announce that I am officially ahead three dollars playing online poker. It's only taken me a week. Turns out I am better at bounty tournaments. I have cashed in four of my last six tournaments, propelling my unbelievable run that, if Starbucks has drive-thru here, will almost get me a hot cocoa.
Weird. Just plain weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
No need to pull for me 2-bits. Only an idiot like you would take and risk all your money (in your case not hard to do) on a mathematical theory that says eventually in the long run you should be ahead. Counting on the hopes the long run comes before you run out of money while chasing it falls way short of my line of thinking things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
As far as my dreams go, I’m not worried about them. They already came true.
Speaking of shoe shin boxes, I recall in a few suites I stayed in there were three curious cool looking different colored boxes tucked away in the room. They looked like some type of decoration. Instead, the boxes had an opening on one side about the size of foot. Based on the color of shoes you were wearing, black, brown, or clear (boxes of course were those colors) you could stick your shoe in the opening and some kind of buffing machine turns on and shines your shoes. I looked inside and the brushes were set up like a car wash.
So, whenever I stayed at another suite, I would ask beforehand if those shoe shine boxes were in the room. If so, I would leave my shine box home.
I'll put the money up with an actual certified escrow service.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeHere it is again, "put your money where your mouth is" This is always your go to line. You know damn well none of these bets ever happened and never will on any forum ever. I doubt you even own or ever saw a 100K. Then you want to carry on with this back and forth posting about this phony betting nonsense knowing it's never going to happen. It's just a phony tool you use to convince others of your bullshit con. Who would hold the money in escrow the same-ole, good-ole trustworthy Sad-Shack-Mike?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Knock this bullshit off. It's soooooooooooooooooo played out.
So then put your money where your mouth is, put the 100K into escrow, and post whatever certification the escrow service provides.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Until you do, then blackhole is right.
Axel, please leave it alone. You’re making a fool of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Other than bullshit talk, who on earth on these forums would go through that trouble? You know this most of all which is why you carry on about it.
Are you drunk?
Looks like Mr Hole made another accusation that he is unwilling to back up with a huge advantage since he “knows”.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAxel, please leave it alone. You’re making a fool of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Other than bullshit talk, who on earth on these forums would go through that trouble? You know this most of all which is why you carry on about it.
Are you drunk?
$100,000 against your $10,000 for a sure winner. Doesn’t seem like trouble to me when you are right. Sounds like easy money, no matter how much you have.
But we all know you won’t. Who is making a fool of himself?
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Originally Posted by coach bellySo then put your money where your mouth is, put the 100K into escrow, and post whatever certification the escrow service provides.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Until you do, then blackhole is right.
That didn’t take long. How long did it take you to come when you read this? I assume it takes time for the pill to take effect.
Bozo confirms not only does dumb and dumber post here, he chimes in with the dumbest post of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I wouldn't get involved with anyone on these hustling sites, not even for 25 cents.
Your credibility is crashing Bozo. Get lost with what you think are clever posts.
Your just another fool feeding into this gambling bullshit.
As long as we have a bet and a contract and you to put up your 10K. You're the one that made the outrageous claim I'm fairly sure you know you can't win the bet and I'm pretty damn sure you'll never put up 10,000. How about this, we contact Dan and agree that will move forward in an effort to find an escrow service or someone we both agree on and move forward finding a private investigator. If one or both of us fail to get him the ten thousand by a certain date, that person or both will be banned permanently from The Forum including any and all sock puppets. I'm not just going to go put all that money in an escrow service and you not do it with no repercussions, nor should you have to put up money with me not having any repercussions of not moving forward. I think the proper term would be earnest money.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellySo then put your money where your mouth is, put the 100K into escrow, and post whatever certification the escrow service provides.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Until you do, then blackhole is right.
Yet you show up everyday to comment. What credibility do you have? None. Just another old miserable loser whose kids are waiting for to die to get his money.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeBozo confirms not only does dumb and dumber post here, he chimes in with the dumbest post of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I wouldn't get involved with anyone on these hustling sites, not even for 25 cents.
Your credibility is crashing Bozo. Get lost with what you think are clever posts.
Just another fool feeding into this gambling bullshit.
So in this case again, you opened your mouth, can’t or won’t back it up and ended up with a literal cock in it. I just can’t understand why you allow it to happen time and time again unless you get off on it.
My eyes are starting to bleed reading this stuff.
You can't make this shit up.
I also notice you always eventually get to cock and balls. Interesting.
Yeah it's becoming a waste of time when people just make up total lies and fabrications without any proof or anything to back it up, it's not worth responding to all of them. I guess that's how you play the game when you're losing at every turn. If that's how they're going to play the game they'll be playing with themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeBozo confirms not only does dumb and dumber post here, he chimes in with the dumbest post of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I wouldn't get involved with anyone on these hustling sites, not even for 25 cents.
Your credibility is crashing Bozo. Get lost with what you think are clever posts.
Your just another fool feeding into this gambling bullshit.
Yep, that someone refuses to take a free $90,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
It makes no sense to me.
I envy your wealth. It would cover some of the inheritance taxes but it must be pennies to you.
Dude, I can't quit from laughing. My stomach hurts from laughing so much. No one has to call you stupid. You prove it all yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeNo need to pull for me 2-bits. Only an idiot like you would take and risk all your money (in your case not hard to do) on a mathematical theory that says eventually in the long run you should be ahead. Counting on the hopes the long run comes before you run out of money while chasing it falls way short of my line of thinking things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I'm on record saying I believe positive games can be beaten in the long run.
You are on record saying negative games can be beaten in the long run. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Damn, you're dumb. And its a permanent record in the MDawg poll that you feel that way. You need to take a hammer to that computer so you can stop displaying how stupid you are.
Oh, and as for your assumption that I will throw my whole bankroll at a play nothing could be further from the truth. I've always preached playing withing the means of ones bankroll. But I guess that went over your head. I've always done calculations to keep my risk of ruin well below 1%.
Hard to believe you would post something like this and expect everyone to take it serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
You're out there.
P.S. I see driftwood drifted back in above with some more words of wisdom. He's also to stupid to realize like Rob I enjoy fucking with Boz's homo friend.
You're talking about Axel...right?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I'm trying to think if I ever stooped to this level with you. I've noticed you've done a lot of it, as of late. I certainly don't care, you can call me a fag/homo or whatever you like. I just thought you were more about trying to get the bottom of things(no pun intended) and challenging people on gambling related stuff. Have you found yourself in a situation where you don't have anything of merit to say and you've had to resort to that kind of stuff since you really have nothing else?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou're talking about Axel...right?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Hey snowflake...you and your buddies have been stooped at that level, and resorting to that kind of stuff for as long as I've been reading these forums. Do you deny it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What goes around, comes around. I'm just getting started.
Looks like we have a new tough guy around here. And he’s from Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHey snowflake...you and your buddies have been stooped at that level, and resorting to that kind of stuff for as long as I've been reading these forums. Do you deny it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What goes around, comes around. I'm just getting started.
I think it’s time to get scared and realize we are dealing with someone who is just getting started.
Be afraid, very afraid.
He’s definitely not just getting started at proving he’s a clueless moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozLooks like we have a new tough guy around here. And he’s from Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHey snowflake...you and your buddies have been stooped at that level, and resorting to that kind of stuff for as long as I've been reading these forums. Do you deny it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What goes around, comes around. I'm just getting started.
I think it’s time to get scared and realize we are dealing with someone who is just getting started.
Be afraid, very afraid.
He’s been working on that for months.
Months? What do you know about working on that for months?Quote:
Originally Posted by BaccMaster
Your first post at VCT was on Saturday.
Where's BoTox?Quote:
Originally Posted by BaccMasterWhat part of my story is unraveling?From what I can remember you claim to be young, personally I think you're old as f*** and that's why you keep up posting up oldQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
We need the forum detective to out this sock puppet.
Did tewlj really run him off?
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
I'm a snowflake because I haven't resorted to calling you names?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHey snowflake...you and your buddies have been stooped at that level, and resorting to that kind of stuff for as long as I've been reading these forums. Do you deny it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What goes around, comes around. I'm just getting started.
Snowflake is an inaccurate description for sure, because I really don't care, I wasn't complaining or upset. I was just asking why YOU felt the need for it. I really pity and feel sorry for you if you feel the need to strike out at me due the things my buddies have said. I guess you have no way to separate individuals. I guess you're buddies with black hole therefore according to your way of thinking you should take responsibility for some of the horrible things he has said. If I recall correctly, you were once allies with Rob. I'm pretty sure he said some pretty foul things as well.
While I'm not always successful, I try to communicate with people and how they're communicating with me. Yeah I gave Alan Mendelson and others a hard time together unbelievable outrageous claims. I know my joking with JK too far at times. But for the most part, I don't think I resorted too much of that stuff. I wasn't calling people fagg's and some of the things you have said, especially if that person wasn't communicating to me in that way. PokerGrinder is a friend of mine and I chastised him privately and on the forum for what he he said to MD.
I think it's obvious you really have nowhere else legitimate to go, especially since you can't back up your bullshit claims about me having a sock puppet, so that seems like a good idea just throw a bunch of s*** out there hoping that'll be forgotten. It certainly won't come from me, but just remember what goes around can sometimes come around 10 fold, It actually gets very serious. Isn't that why guys like Larry's had to leave, when s*** got real? And let's not forget all the other stories of some serious real life s*** that went down. I certainly hope no one ever does that to anyone, including you, but it's something to be mindful of. So with that I'll let you guys have at it. Someone can PM me when there's anything interesting or when things get back to a little more normal.
I wish forum detective BoTox would chime in, he would be able to solve this BaccMaster sock puppet mystery...but tewlj must have chased him off the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
So I'll play junior detective, and back up my claim with what I've observed.
Consider the 2 posts linked below.
The formatting is messed up the same way in both posts.
I don't recall this same mistake made by 2 different members.
So is this coincidence? Or did Axel make the same mistake twice?
Or is somebody trying to frame Axel?
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100458
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100869
Wow, that’s some good detective work! You definitely made some solid connections!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI wish forum detective BoTox would chime in, he would be able to solve this BaccMaster sock puppet mystery...but tewlj must have chased him off the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
So I'll play junior detective, and back up my claim with what I've observed.
Consider the 2 posts linked below.
The formatting is messed up the same way in both posts.
I don't recall this same mistake made by 2 different members.
So is this coincidence? Or did Axel make the same mistake twice?
Or is somebody trying to frame Axel?
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100458
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100869
It revivals some of Bosox’s best detective work. And I’ve seen it first hand, when Bosox realized Bob21 here was Dbs6582 over at BJTF. I still think that is one of the landmark cases in forum detective history.
But I’m still learning to Tasha being MaccMaster. She’s cunning, cleaver and has a lot of sock puppets. I mean Tasha is so good she started having me believe I was one of her sock puppets.
This looks like it could be a good poll question: Who is MccMaster? And there’s always Moses to consider too, or Spiderman? A lot of possibilities. Where are you Bosox, when we need you?
Should be enough evidence to place a wager.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI wish forum detective BoTox would chime in, he would be able to solve this BaccMaster sock puppet mystery...but tewlj must have chased him off the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
So I'll play junior detective, and back up my claim with what I've observed.
Consider the 2 posts linked below.
The formatting is messed up the same way in both posts.
I don't recall this same mistake made by 2 different members.
So is this coincidence? Or did Axel make the same mistake twice?
Or is somebody trying to frame Axel?
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100458
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post100869
BaccMaster is obviously a sock puppet of one of the forum regulars, I'm convinced of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Maybe I can't prove who it is, but the circumstantial evidence points to you as a suspect, and that should be enough to have the authorities investigate further.
Not going to initiate anything privately though, like the tewlj/Andrew/Alan thing, I'll play the hand face up.
BoTox should investigate too, Bob21 says he's good at this kind of forum detective stuff.
You wrote above that you try to communicate with people, but I get the impression that you're often trying to be confusing and difficult to deal with. Am I mistaken?
For instance...what did you mean by the following statement?
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I 100% AGREE BACC IS SOMEONE WE KNOW FROM ONE OF THE FORUMS!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyBaccMaster is obviously a sock puppet of one of the forum regulars, I'm convinced of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Maybe I can't prove who it is, but the circumstantial evidence points to you as a suspect, and that should be enough to have the authorities investigate further.
Not going to initiate anything privately though, like the tewlj/Andrew/Alan thing, I'll play the hand face up.
BoTox should investigate too, Bob21 says he's good at this kind of forum detective stuff.
You wrote above that you try to communicate with people, but I get the impression that you're often trying to be confusing and difficult to deal with. Am I mistaken?
For instance...what did you mean by the following statement?
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
My statement you quoted was basically me thinking I should take a break if "we" are just going to continue to call each other names and make up lies. And someone can pm me if there is anything interesting or when things get back to a little more normal on the forum. I have never made a Sockpuppet account on any forum. I may have made an account years ago on a forum and forgotten it and made another account(AxelWolf).
There may have been a time I made an account to use the PM feature because I needed to contact someone I didn't have a personal contact number for and needed to contact them. I have not posted on any gaming forum in any other name since AxelWolf or something obvious its me like AxelWolf2.
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Originally Posted by coach belly
OK, we seem to have found some common ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Would you agree that BaccMaster is a sock puppet of one of the VCT forum regulars?
If yes, would you concede that he is a sock of one of the "NO" voters on the MDawg Poll?
I voted no in the poll simply because I’m not a moronQuote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
OK, we seem to have found some common ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Would you agree that BaccMaster is a sock puppet of one of the VCT forum regulars?
If yes, would you concede that he is a sock of one of the "NO" voters on the MDawg Poll?
I haven't put much thought into just who it is. There's not much motivation. I sent him a PM asking, but no response.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
OK, we seem to have found some common ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Would you agree that BaccMaster is a sock puppet of one of the VCT forum regulars?
If yes, would you concede that he is a sock of one of the "NO" voters on the MDawg Poll?
here was my P.M. "I just assumed you are not a "new" poster.
Do you care to share with me who you are?
If not, can you let me know if Dan can easily prove that we are not one in the same."
Last part wondering if he's using a VPN.
99% of the time I don't used a VPN visiting the forums unless Im reading one and playing an online casino that I don't want knowing my location.
I may need to get rolling on the VPN thing now that brick and mortars are closed. A lot of the juiciest online casino promos are from US-restricted casinos (as you know) . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Just be super careful using a VPN, there's a little more to it than just simply using a VPN. Does the online casino explicitly prohibit VPN's their terms and conditions? Even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean they won't tag you for using one. If you're flying from a location they prohibit... you better have a way to pass the ID verification upon on cash out. You'll be able to get your money in fairly easy, but you may not get it out. Y don't want a situation where the casino is free rolling you. If you lose, no big deal they got your money, if you win they will keep your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI may need to get rolling on the VPN thing now that brick and mortars are closed. A lot of the juiciest online casino promos are from US-restricted casinos (as you know) . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services.
Nathan's pussy would be totally wet and in sock-puppet heaven with that set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Sounds like a badass setup Axel. I think the easiest thing for me to do might be to send a laptop to a European friend and then I will just screen mirror it to my computer here and play the shit through. Otherwise, I will probably fall into a trap due to the complexity you described above. Even in the old days, I got stiffed multiple times not violating any terms (as we all did, not just me). LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfJust be super careful using a VPN, there's a little more to it than just simply using a VPN. Does the online casino explicitly prohibit VPN's their terms and conditions? Even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean they won't tag you for using one. If you're flying from a location they prohibit... you better have a way to pass the ID verification upon on cash out. You'll be able to get your money in fairly easy, but you may not get it out. Y don't want a situation where the casino is free rolling you. If you lose, no big deal they got your money, if you win they will keep your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayI may need to get rolling on the VPN thing now that brick and mortars are closed. A lot of the juiciest online casino promos are from US-restricted casinos (as you know) . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services.
that may very well work at some places, however, (and again, I'm no computer and networking expert) they can in fact detect programs on one's computer that's set up to do this type of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySounds like a badass setup Axel. I think the easiest thing for me to do might be to send a laptop to a European friend and then I will just screen mirror it to my computer here and play the shit through. Otherwise, I will probably fall into a trap due to the complexity you described above. Even in the old days, I got stiffed multiple times not violating any terms (as we all did, not just me). LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfJust be super careful using a VPN, there's a little more to it than just simply using a VPN. Does the online casino explicitly prohibit VPN's their terms and conditions? Even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean they won't tag you for using one. If you're flying from a location they prohibit... you better have a way to pass the ID verification upon on cash out. You'll be able to get your money in fairly easy, but you may not get it out. Y don't want a situation where the casino is free rolling you. If you lose, no big deal they got your money, if you win they will keep your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services.
Especially if we're talking about a place that's regulated. I'm sure there's many places they're not detecting s***.
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Now we just need to find somebody who can Get around the geolocation stuff easily.
Anyone with that kind of knowledge feel free to contact me.
PS the setup sounds much better than it is, I have some computers that are like 15 years old I normally have three or four going at once.
Yikes, thanks for the tips.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfthat may very well work at some places, however, (and again, I'm no computer and networking expert) they can in fact detect programs on one computer that's set up to do this type of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySounds like a badass setup Axel. I think the easiest thing for me to do might be to send a laptop to a European friend and then I will just screen mirror it to my computer here and play the shit through. Otherwise, I will probably fall into a trap due to the complexity you described above. Even in the old days, I got stiffed multiple times not violating any terms (as we all did, not just me). LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Especially if we're talking about a place that's regulated. I'm sure there's many places they're not detecting s***.
Why go through all that when you could just play at the online casinos promoted at WOV? After all what could be more secure than Sad-Shack-Mike's guaranteed sites? Isn't he the acting regulator if he gets your commission from signing on from his site? How much safer can it get?
playthrough requirements are often way easier on off-shore sites that don't allow US players.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Why not just relocate you and your family to Europe? Imagine all the euros you could feast on. In fact you better hurry up since you could only assume the Europeans should be done cleaning them all out soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayplaythrough requirements are often way easier on off-shore sites that don't allow US players.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I see nothing sensible about playing at online casinos other than if you like the thrill of gunning for all those advertised juicy bonuses or possibly not being paid....or both.
The fact that the foreigners who control Shack continue to try and get US citizens to illegally deposit money in and play at their crooked casinos tells me he should be in jail, and anyone stupid enough to be enticed by those fantastic sounding promotions should have their balls cut off for being so blind.
Any wonder why the libtards at WoV and here are always so angry? You've got your answer.
What I find fascinating is since the Land casinos shut down, how without as much as a speed bump in the road, the online stories are popping up.
Nothing holds down these AP’s.
Can’t wait to read the Kewlj’s stories of how the shoes online live dealers are using are a video illusion and their cheating.
I guess the question never came up as to why a player would jump through hoops to play at non-us allowed casinos if online play never worked at any online casino, US-allowed or not. I'm assuming brick and mortars will open up again and I am finding enough us-allowed player online stuff not to move to europe. If it were not difficult to do non-us allowed online casinos, I was going to add it to my plays, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeWhy not just relocate you and your family to Europe? Imagine all the euros you could feast on. In fact you better hurry up since you could only assume the Europeans should be done cleaning them all out soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayplaythrough requirements are often way easier on off-shore sites that don't allow US players.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
In fact I do sometimes play casinos advertised on his website. 75% of the time I'll use a latest casino bonus link when signing up for online casino. The problem is... there is not an advantage at the same Casino 24/7 365.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Advantages are usually based on extra bonuses they give you for first-time sign ups that can range from 1-5 times before they run out, and then periodically (sometimes weekly). And of course, not all of those are even exploitable. Even the ones that are exploitable have a shelf limit and maximum amount of bonuses.
I'm not sure if you've actually read the Wizards guarantee and what it covers, but I suggest you do. The guarantee is basically that they will do their best to help fight for you when there is a problem. It's certainly not foolproof. Even he himself had trouble getting his money from a casino that latest Casino bonuses is heavily advertising. He technically broke the rules.
I’m out of my league talking about illegally transferring money from the USA to off-shore casinos. Even more so when it comes to illegally tricking on-line casinos with where I’m playing from with VPN’s and all other types of tricky computer hardware / software. This all sounds like just another hustling cheating con to me trying to earn a buck. Using the word earn was being generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfIn fact I do sometimes play casinos advertised on his website. 75% of the time I'll use a latest casino bonus link when signing up for online casino. The problem is... there is not an advantage at the same Casino 24/7 365.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Advantages are usually based on extra bonuses they give you for first-time sign ups that can range from 1-5 times before they run out, and then periodically (sometimes weekly). And of course, not all of those are even exploitable. Even the ones that are exploitable have a shelf limit and maximum amount of bonuses.
I'm not sure if you've actually read the Wizards guarantee and what it covers, but I suggest you do. The guarantee is basically that they will do their best to help fight for you when there is a problem. It's certainly not foolproof. Even he himself had trouble getting his money from a casino that latest Casino bonuses is heavily advertising. He technically broke the rules.
I also wouldn’t trust a single word Sad-Shack-Mike and his group of misleading partners say or said. Let alone wasting time reading some type of bullshit guarantee they wrote to help bait the idiots in.
Without RFB, shows, and room service I wouldn’t know what to do.
P.S. Here comes driftwood...lol
I'm not a legal expert on this matter either. However, from my understanding it is not illegal to transfer money to them or to play online, depending on the situation, of course. From my understanding, it's illegal for BANKS to process transactions from non-licensed online casinos in the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeI’m out of my league talking about illegally transferring money from the USA to off-shore casinos. Even more so when it comes to illegally tricking on-line casinos with where I’m playing from with VPN’s and all other types of tricky computer hardware / software. This all sounds like just another hustling cheating con to me trying to earn a buck. Using the word earn was being generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfIn fact I do sometimes play casinos advertised on his website. 75% of the time I'll use a latest casino bonus link when signing up for online casino. The problem is... there is not an advantage at the same Casino 24/7 365.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Advantages are usually based on extra bonuses they give you for first-time sign ups that can range from 1-5 times before they run out, and then periodically (sometimes weekly). And of course, not all of those are even exploitable. Even the ones that are exploitable have a shelf limit and maximum amount of bonuses.
I'm not sure if you've actually read the Wizards guarantee and what it covers, but I suggest you do. The guarantee is basically that they will do their best to help fight for you when there is a problem. It's certainly not foolproof. Even he himself had trouble getting his money from a casino that latest Casino bonuses is heavily advertising. He technically broke the rules.
I also wouldn’t trust a single word Sad-Shack-Mike and his group of misleading partners say or said. Let alone wasting time reading some type of bullshit guarantee they wrote to help bait the idiots in.
Without RFB, shows, and room service I wouldn’t know what to do.
RFB and comps is a perk not something I play for or care all that much about. 75% of that stuff I've ever earned has went to waste.
So why do you when sending funds to off shore casinos have to send them to some phony merchant that launders the funds to the casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If you win do they mail you cash? If not, how do you eventually get the cash? Check, bank transfer, I mean how is it done without a bank ever getting involved?
I guess the conversation ends here. You didn’t even discuss the need for tricking the casinos into thinking your someplace your really not with computer gadgets.
I also enjoy your disclaimer of how you’re not an expert and just based on your understandings of how you think things are.
It’s not illegal to gamble online in the USA as long as your playing in states that allow it and you live in a state that offers legal online gaming.
Everything else is illegal if it involves money regardless how you get your money to and from any of them.
Other than that it’s all another hustling con
Was this a hustling con in your mind? Honestly wondering how you see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...os-again-500k/
This is what I mean Boz. Just another detraction by you having nothing to do with the above conversation.
That was a big time play everyone now knows about and it was all done legally in that state. Just like Phil Ivey's Baccarat play, Johnson's BJ deal etc.
Please explain what any of that has to do with what the discussion is about illegally transferring money to and from off shore casinos, phony VPN maneuvers etc.
I'll tell you. NOTHING You just have to chime in with something and usually whatever comes to your mind first. You no doubt are the Mini-Me Micky.
You don't have to do this at all. You should fund your account and withdraw from your account using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. The bank is not involved in either the deposit or withdrawal. It is not illegal to gamble at off-shore casinos (that accept US players - and many do) just as Axel stated. Payment processing by payment processors is illegal (also as Axel mentioned) if it involves a US player funding or withdrawing from an off-shore casino or from a US online casino if the player isn't physically located in that state when they withdraw or deposit at that US online casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeSo why do you when sending funds to off shore casinos have to send them to some phony merchant that launders the funds to the casino?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If you win do they mail you cash? If not, how do you eventually get the cash? Check, bank transfer, I mean how is it done without a bank ever getting involved?
It's only illegal for US banks to transfer funds to and from online casinos outside the US. It's also illegal for US based citizens to circumvent the illegal methods in order to transfer to/receive funds from online casinos outside the US.
People who get involved in these activities should stop because it's too risky for multiple reasons. After this Covid crisis where most people were forced to stop their gambling habits cold turkey, look for the major US casinos to begin a huge push for US based interstate online gaming.
Actually it’s the “Big casino wins and jackpot” thread so it fits perfectly. But carry on with your cause.
I see, you could circumvent the banking laws by doing the two-step hustling shuffle with cryptocurrencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
What’s all this about below from the above quote of Axel’s?
"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"
What do you do here the hustlers cha cha cha?
Where were you 5 pages ago Mini Me?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
YES, BTC is where it's at nowadays when it comes to online casinos. It's opened up endless possibilities.
There's even a few online casinos that have zero ID or name verification that take crypto. They always pay within a week (by Monday IIRC).
I don't understand how that makes everything hunky dory. Isn't that just a way of camouflaging US dollars not to be detected doing something illegal? Sounds like just another con to me. Doesn't a bank have to get involved eventually so you could spend your crypto in US dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You still never explained the need for this con below and seem to keep avoiding explaining all this.
"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"
Sounds like a lot of work is put into a hustling con with all that equipment. For the record this makes it sound like you could also create an undetected sock everyday.
Also, I'm glad I don't know you. I couldn't picture doing a deal with such a deceiving person.
Just when I think that we're having an actual conversation about something, and I'm trying to share some information I have some knowledge about.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeI don't understand how that makes everything hunky dory. Isn't that just a way of camouflaging US dollars not to be detected doing something illegal? Sounds like just another con to me. Doesn't a bank have to get involved eventually so you could spend your crypto in US dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You still never explained the need for this con below and seem to keep avoiding explaining all this.
"Assuming you find a VPN that they can't detect make sure you change your clock on your computer is set to that time zone. Also, there's all kinds of fingerprints you leave behind when using the same computer you normally use. There's plenty of stuff I still don't 100% understand, such as if they can detect your computer Mac address or whatever you call it, I do believe it's possible, but there are ways around it. I'm overly cautious and do everything I possibly can to avoid detection within reason given the things that I do understand. I Have at least 20 different computers and devices, three different VPN services, multiple monitors, KVM switches, two different virtual machine services"
Sounds like a lot of work is put into a hustling con with all that equipment. For the record this makes it sound like you could also create an undetected sock everyday.
Also, I'm glad I don't know you. I couldn't picture doing a deal with such a deceiving person.
That little voice in my head told me not even have a conversation with you. I knew better than to take the time to explain/discuss with you in a civil manner. I had a feeling you where just leading me down that path so you could twist it and use it to take jabs and accuse me of something unethical/illegal or sinister.
It seems to me, that even if you knew everything I ever said was true/accurate and I was a f****** saint it wouldn't matter to you, nor would it change how you interact with me. You only care about disparaging me and others because for some reason you absolutely loathe Advantage Players, especially me(I feel honored). Your MO seems to be to hate on Advantage players any cost. That's been apparent from the beginning. Just about everything you've ever said on these forums have been nothing but nasty, hateful or negative towards Advantage Players. And you wonder why I had reservations about meeting up with you?
Feel free to go back and read all of our conversations, I think it would be very hard to find a case where I have actually called you names, was disrespectful, or were I was a dick to you. For the most part I always been respectful and even went out of my way to have a conversation and answer your questions. But you repeatedly make nasty comments, assumptions and accusations. You might be able to find something where I wasn't a complete gentleman, but I that's to be expected when the guy on the other end is continually disrespectful and gunning for you without a good reason.
A fairly certain not even you believe MDawgs stories about always winning on everything he does. But I guess since he's the closest thing to an ally you have against me another Advantage Players, you'll take it. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong.
Sure I've bantered back and forth with people and haven't always been respectful For the most part, those people were an equal abettor in the situation. It's not very hard to circumvent forum detection anyone with a half a brain could do it without much effort at all, Nathan was getting away with it for a long time for God's sake. The only reason she kept getting detected was by people like me knowing her tendencies, writing style and overall personality. I have going it's Overkill it would be like using a steam roller to crack a walnut.
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Of course, I have the ability have knowledge to make sock's without being detected by forum detection tools(I'm sorry that unsettles you). I and many others have the ability commit various crimes without being detected, but for moral reasons we just don't. If it's unsettling to you that I have the ability to do that, you should really be worried about what others here online have the ability to do.
It flatters me that you believe I have the ability to make sock puppets and carry out discussions while taking on different identities without being detected. The fairly confident one could just figure my sentence and paragraph structure, word usage and punctuation to figure out who I was immediately. I can't even imagine what reason I would have to make a sock puppet that would benefit me any way whatsoever.
I will do you the undeserved courtesy of answering your question as two why I have such an "elaborate set-up"(it's really not that elaborate compared to what some people have going and are capable of doing). Not just for your benefit, but perhaps other people are curious at this point.
For starters, I'm not doing anything illegal. I certainly might be circumventing their terms and conditions. I make no apologies for that, especially since many of them fail to pay, delay and screw players outright. Even the ones that don't do that oftentimes try to use technicalities in order to void winnings. It's a very deceptive industry that preys on people(that's not to say there aren't some decent ones out there). I've been trying to get paid a measly $380 from one particular Casino for what seems like over 6 months now, they always seem to have some excuse or extra hoop's they want me to jump through. Their latest reason is because of a simple obvious typo in my initial registration(I'm almost thinking they actually changed it, since I've never made that mistake before). They told me to go into my profile and change it...knowing damn well I don't have the ability to change that particular part.
Anyways, I use the setup I have so I can have access to casinos anywhere in the world, it also gives me the ability to sign up for a casino look at all the games, terms and conditions and whatever else, without actually having to give them all my personal details and information. That way, if I actually like the casino and feel there's an advantage, I can now safely make an account with the proper information. It's not a good idea to sign up for every single online casino that you might not even play at, meanwhile while giving them all your personal information and access to your browser data, cookies and computer fingerprints or whatever it is they have the ability to detect. It also gives me the ability to get sent emails about all their current promotions and deals they're offering. That gives me the ability to decide at a later time if I want to sign up take an advantage of whatever promotion looks good. Sure it might not be for you, personally I really enjoy it. Mickey use the term treasure hunt earlier and that's exactly what it's like for me it's super fun just like a treasure hunt. And when I find something knowing I have a significant advantage and make a nice score and that cash out payment hits my account, I'm f****** thrilled. I love playing slots knowing I have an advantage it's fun as hell. People spend hundreds of hours playing video games for entertainment but they don't get paid for it. I feel like I'm getting paid to play a fun complex puzzle video game that's always changing.
I didn’t lead you down any path with the hopes of twisting anything you said to appear unethical or illegal. The actual facts of your above post speak for itself, and makes my observations even clearer.
The facts of the laws in this country and states (which I’m sure you are a citizen of) remain the laws. Using the word circumventing the law through a bunch of undetectable maneuvers doesn’t mean you get to twist them so they fit your narrative to make what you’re doing legal.
In your own words “I certainly might be circumventing their terms and conditions. (there’s that word again) I make no apologies for that, especially since many of them fail to pay, delay and screw players outright. Even the ones that don't do that oftentimes try to use technicalities in order to void winnings. It's a very deceptive industry that preys on people”
What your saying here sounds to me like you’re saying, since many of them are crooks robbing millions and millions of dollars every year from USA idiots dumb enough to get involved with them in the first place, and who have absolutely no legal place to contact and help recover the monies they stole: makes it okay for you to break banking laws in the USA using cryto, launder, or whatever means you use, along with deceiving the online casinos just fine. It’s all okay as long as you get paid. Please don’t mention Sad-Shack-Mike as any type or form of any regulator source. If the DOJ ever seizes your banking funds, you’ll never see or hear from him again.
I’m certain most AP’s hustling land casinos with promos, using other people’s cards, convincing seniors to move to another machine so you could vulture that one, just to name a few and I mean just a few maneuvers is all okay with you. Doing this nonsense your whole life makes it hard for any of you to see it as any type of hustling. After all AP’s need a job also. Your post above confirms how you view your AP actions and your tunnel vision.
You could circumvent my opinion any way you like if it makes you feel better.
I stand by my opinion of a hustling con and rest my case.
Oh, and for the record I couldn’t care less if Nathan was your sock. I love the back and forth banter and pointing out my opinion. I don’t care if any discussion I’m having involves the same person but a different name, does it really matter? After all what good is a forum without discussion?
Thanks for the reply.
BH, could you be more specific? What laws would axel be breaking for playing online at offshore casinos? Quote the U.S. Code, please.
PS: Legitimate AP's despise the creators more than you do.
The UIGEA which specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal. Although there are all sorts of loop holes to get around it, if a US bank is involved in those type of transactions it’s illegal. This is why the merchants you send money to have phony names and identification codes (or the transfers would be blocked) and launder the funds to the casinos and back to you if they pay you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I’m sure you could goggle up that law and read all about it. I think the law sucks and allowed lots of room for un-regulated gangsters to take advantage of the idiots in the US desperate enough to loop the laws.
bitcoin is not illegal. In fact there are bitcoin visa debit cards on the market. Offshore gaming is not illegal either. The only thing illegal is payment processing of US transactions.
Did you get something different from my above post?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Jan had told him many times, "It was you to me who taughtQuote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzMKTZdkaU4
On top of the UIGEA, the Justice Department interprets the Wire Act as making it illegal to book or place any kind of wager across the internet. How that plays out given that the Fifth Circuit has ruled that it applies only to sports betting, is anyone's guess.
https://i.imgur.com/L6wSBRem.jpg
It doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, understand. But your business is ah -- a little dangerous.
In any case, I'd think that while you're losing the online casinos are going to look the other way but come time to collect if they have any reason to suspect that the wager came from the U.S. they could stiff you.
Besides the law, doesn't it just come down to the low end play that all nervous poodles are utilizing to make their AP bones? Claiming to be more than one person and scamming free play. Doesn't seem much different from homeless DarkOz's wearing a mask and constantly running from casino security, worried that when it comes time to collect, he too will get stiffed.
So, when you were questioning me as to why I was using multiple different machines, VPN's and whatnot, you thought I might possibly be using that stuff to anonymously give to charity and save lives?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Of course, you knew where it was headed. You try to b******* me all you want, there's plenty of stuff I don't know understand, and there's hey s*** ton of people smarter than be but I but be careful to underestimate me.
And there you go twisting s*** again, I never said I was doing anything to the circumvent the law. I don't use a Bitcoin to circumvent anything, I use it as a tool, it's basically the only cost effective fast option they give me, some places only allow crypto. My crypto account is attached to my name and verified by my ID. The only thing I'm circumventing is the terms and services of an offshore private business. It no different than breaking Dan's no sockpuppet rule. It might be illegal for a grocery store to sell you something past its expiration date it doesn't make it illegal for you to buy it.
You claim what I am doing is illegal, please show us proof of this. Maybe you can go make some citizen's arrest considering the fact that there are millions of people doing it. I thought you mentioned that you played poker online or something previously(perhaps it was someone else)? There's a good chance have a family member or friend that plays online. I know you hate the fact that I figured out how to Go the extra steps and profit from it.
Perhaps you missed it, but I rarely vulture machines. I've made posts before chastising people who do anything to f*** with the customers that's included people trying to do things to get customers off the machines. I've pointed out creators to security. I think all that stuff is deplorable. You want to lump everyone in together since it fits your narrative. That's like saying all lawyers are unethical pieces of s***.
It's good to see you're no longer stating your opinions as facts. You know what they say about opinions don't you?
They’re like noses, everyone’s got one. Did I get it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
BH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those sites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeDid you get something different from my above post?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Axel,
I made my points and I’m through with you about this discussion. Until next time I suspect the two-step shuffle.
You can try and justify everything you do claiming you’re just a good ole straight shooting American boy.
Just for the record my opinion of lawyers might even be worse than what you mentioned. But out of respect for MDawg I’ll withhold my personal opinion.
Mickey,Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Stop pretending you have a brain and your endless gotcha nonsense. Guess you didn’t read what I posted above? Here’s a quick quote “The UIGEA specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal.”
I've been reading up on this. There's differing legal opinions out there, but I didn't find a specific law stating that it's illegal for a US citizen to place bets at online offshore casinos. But the player needs to be aware of what the STATE law says about doing this. Either way, US citizens are not being prosecuted for playing. But there have been some trouble whenever a US bank gets involved with online offshore transactions--for both the player and the bank. Happens infrequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmBH, could you cite the U.S. Code that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore casino. Please don't cite the law that banks cannot transfer funds to or from these sites. That does not make it illegal for a citizen to play on the sites. Cite the specific law that makes it illegal for a citizen to gamble online at an offshore site. Cite the law that is specific to citizens gambling on those sites. Don't use some vague law that doesn't apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeDid you get something different from my above post?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
That said, everyone understands the risks involved. Will you get slow-paid or no-paid? There's zero recourse. I believe I mentioned this here years ago. I wanted to write a Gaming Today article on online gambling back in around 2003. So I found a popular one--Intercasino--that had video poker up to the $5 level. I deposited I think just $500 after registering--which was a tedious process of ID's etc. I played a simple ARTT progression/regression, and was down a bit when I hit several 1200 credit winners within an hour. I suddenly had about $10,100 so I asked for a cashout. I think there was a small sign-up bonus which I played as required for the cashout.
What happened next was around 3+ months of Intercasino making excuses like "our comptroller needs to sign off on this and he's out ill" and "we found a discrepancy in your registration data that needs to get fixed first" and "our investigators discovered you have multiple addresses in the US" etc. etc. All BS of course, just to try and not pay me. But I persisted, if only to get the final story so I could put my article on online gambling together.
My last effort was to let them know I was a very popular gaming industry writer (I faxed them a copy of my Undeniable Truth column in GT to prove I wrote for them) and that I would write a very scathing article about them and their tactics if I wasn't paid within 3 days. A check arrived overnight and it cleared fine. I've never played online again and I never will, unless and until it's all done within the US and is regulated with normal recourse.
As I mentioned, besides the UIGEA we have the Wire Act (1961, 18 U.S.C. § 1084).
The DOJ has flip flopped on its interpretation of this. Originally DOJ interpreted to apply to all forms of interstate gambling, in 2011, the DOJ opined that it applied to sports betting only, but in 2018, reversed this position "meaning that [its] prohibitions applied to all interstate betting or wagering."
All you have to do is place a bet or wager across the internet for the Wire Act to apply. Up to two years in the federal slammer! I'd imagine that if you were caught and it turned out that you were using some kind of VPN to cloak your location or identity, or any complicated means to disguise the money transfers to your U.S. person, the sentencing punishment would be aggravated. But the mere placement of a bet or wager for financial gain across U.S. state lines by wire (such as internet) is enough to trigger the statute; there is no further requirement that the funds land in your U.S. bank.
Until such time as the Supreme Court decides to take up this issue which the 5th Circuit (2002) or the 1st Circuit district judge (2019) have ruled on, the DOJ remains the ultimate authority.
I always assumed that the reason that we are not allowed to phone or text while wagering at the tables is due to the Wire Act - that we might be taking a wager on the table action.
fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeMickey,Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Stop pretending you have a brain and your endless gotcha nonsense. Guess you didn’t read what I posted above? Here’s a quick quote “The UIGEA specifies the transferring of funds through banks to gamble at unauthorized sites is illegal.”